Conversations About Scottie Pippen

don't have it. So I'm not saying Michael Jordan's or Michael Jackson would have not been great without those things. Michael Jackson was already great, like Jordan was great. But the way we see them is rooted and these particular great men being a part. And they're not just like the nigger that's the engineer. They're not the nigga going to seven eleven. Rod Temperton is Rod motherfucking Temperton. He

is not here right now. Um, but I got my boys who but y'all is on my ship now out This is incredible now, so shout out to my boy tv J my boy Patty. Welcome to No Ceilings, the most honest podcast in the history of podcasting. I'm very excited to be here right now. I have no idea what we're talking about. I like it that way. I have no idea where this is going. I like it that way. So I'm very excited to be here right now. And I got you some people, man, so I hope

I don't. I got you. So what's been bothering me right is and y'all both being from Chicago. Everything going on with Scottie Pippen. That's what I brought you on here to talk about everything going on with Scottie Pipper. Now I know scott is not from Chicago. He's not born and ready to Chicago, but very much he is Chicago to everybody that's not from Chicago to eat us, to us, even Scottie Pippen. Yeah, like Chicago bro like

like growing up, I'll swear to God. When I was a kid, I didn't know Michael joined Scott Worth for Chicago. Like I learned later on in life that like these niggas is not for Chicago. I learned that later on the life one of the Arkansas. He's signed the country as hell. He used to be all Marco. Don't know it though, It's just like, what is Chicago without that basketball team? Did ask? Like what positive? No? For real, No, I'm not even king hot dogs, hot dogs, criminals bear, bro,

what are you serious? Kanye West? That's before No, that's after that. I'm being I'm being, I'm being honest. Now he says that, what do I think of when I think of Chicago outside of the Bulls. It does dim the light a little bit? It is it coas hot dogs, the mob, the mob mob, not even pizza like Chicago South Pizza for the real system. No, I wouldn't even think even know I would no, no, no, no, bro, no bro, No, I wouldn't think that Kanye West. People

don't think that either. People don't think that either. I do because I find but people literally don't think that. I would think of New York when you said that, facts, that's what I would think of when you think of pizza and buildings, I would think of New York. So I'm gonna think of hot dogs, but think of Kanye West,

the Mob. But think of the mob for sure, like the gangsters, and I'm gonna think of the gang culture there no positive No, It's like no, bro, like no, you are not in New York exactly like like look like look like look glass people all this role. I disagree with that though. We don't have to be New York, but like, we like the culture center of the Midwest. But bro, it's the middle being the biggest piece of

ship in the toilet or something. You just don't think of that, That's what because you don't think of that when you think of the Midwest, like the cultural run of signs the way you should, you know. And I agree because I think it very much is the blackest place in America, even blacker than the South Different though, because Patty didn't leave the South Side until he was

an adult. I used to leave the South Side all the time when I was a kid, so I've seen I've been seeing all parts of Chicago since I was little, so I just have a different perspective on it. But we talked about to the world though, Bro, the world, to the world. Don't you ask me my opinion. I'm just saying I'm with you, Yeah, I'm with you. I'm like, I don't think of Scottie Pippen in Chicago in the

same thing. I think of Michael Jordan in the same thing, because it's why mad, And that's why he mad exactly, man, that's exactly why Pitt mad bron on Space Gym because Mike shot Space Jam and they show why he mad Chicago right His house in Chicago, which actually my childhood doctor lived on the same block as Michael Jordan is like out back Great America, so he didn't live in the city, but he lived out there. And Michael Jordan's house was famous out there and it was in Space Jam.

So like, yes, you associate Michael Chicago. You literally saw buzz money crawling into this nigger living room like as at least for me as a kid, So I'm sorry, Like I don't associate Scottie Pitt with Chicago and Scotti also, like Scottie kind of dipped out and went to Portland and kind of flamed out, and then it was like whatever, Like Michael went to Mike retired, and then he went to the Wizards where he was trying to buy to Washington trying to buy the team. Bro left because they

didn't want him anymore. They literally said we don't want you wanted more. Leave, That's not what they said they said to him. And more, they said, we don't want feel Jackson no more. And they said, we don't want Scotty too. They said, we don't want Scottie leave. I guarantee you to feel with to stay for another year. And it was just Mike and fucking and up and Jordan's he would have stayed cool. I'm sorry if Phil would have stayed for anotheringe and it was just Mike

and Phil. You know, Michael to stay the front office, him the front office, right, everybody at all four and they would have went back to the conference finals and got smoked up by somebody. They wouldn't have went to no conference finals without Pippen. Okay, some things we have to stop doing. And even with my Chicago brethren, we have to stop giving Michael Jordan tirely too much credit.

Let me let me go and record with this. Michael Jordan's is the greatest shooting guarden the history of the NBA. He would be the greatest shooting guarden history in the NBA without Scottie Pippen. I'm going to say that right, I'm going to say that he was going to be an m v P Defensive Player of the Year without Scottie Pippen. He was gonna be the most savage shooting guard on either side of the ball, no matter. Scottie Pippen was a bull. But the way we view Jordan's

legacy is because of Scottie Pippen as well. And if we don't start being honest with that, it's it's really disrespectful to the team game of basketball. Scottie Pippen at worst, it has always been a top three small forward in the NBA during the prime of his career, facts a

top three. Can I say what Scottie Pippen is. Scottie Pippen is a rapper that buys a bunch of like stuff from this one brand, and then he gets associated with the brand, and then he goes to the brand and say, Yo, make me a brand at bass and they're like, now you've been rocking our ship because you associated with us. And they're like, man, that first, that brand or whatever. It's like, yeah, but you're still gonna be somewhat synonymous with that brand forever. That's marketing. Y'all

be mad at Mike. Blame marketing, Like, blame the NBA and David Stern for putting Mike on that pedestal and making that brand of Michael Jordan's so good that anything associated with it became golden. Like if you was associated with Jordan's you looked at as a champion and and and one of the greats of all time forever. So after Scottie Pippen made him a champion, I think that, But that's not the point. David Stern was trying to take the game global. So if you try to, I'm saying,

after after Scottie Pippen made him a champion. Yeah, but that don't matter. Mike was Mike before. He wasn't even he never even led a team to a winning season before Scottie Pippen. So what Larry Bird called him god while he whipped his ass, but he still called him god. Johans called Kevin Durant the best player name backs and proceeded to put him out his ass, So what does that mean? So what does that? Is Kevin Durand not a God? No, sure he's a guy, Yeah he sure

he's the guy. Yeah, yeah he's God, He's God. That's fair, But I'm saying it doesn't mean much if you're still gonna get bounced. Okay, but that's not that's not Michael Jordan's fault, like Scottie Pippen is making this all about Mike. You don't understand it because Michael Jordan is making it about Mike. It's not all about Mike. How you made me because I'm a billionaire and I made great business moves and everybody loved me and people were literal, that's

not But that's not why, bro. I think you know Scotty knows. Everything that I get from Scotty is that Scotty is mad. Scotty is mad, and he doesn't get the same level of respect that Michael Jordan gets. He feels like he gets put somewhere, like he was just alone for the ride, and that is not the case. Like again, I told you my problems with the documentary when it drop, it felt like a Michael Jordan propaganda piece. When you name the documentary the Last Dance. What I

always thought about the Last Dance was about everybody. It wasn't just about Michael Jordan's. It was just about the fact that you knew the whole team wasn't coming back, and the documentary they made it like a Michael Jordan's propaganda piece. The thing that sent me completely over the edge was when they talked about winning the nine two finals. People don't know. In their Game six, they came back from a sixteen point devisit in the fourth quarter. Mike

was on the bench. I think it was Scotty and the bitch out there. They cut the lead to four and then put Mike back in the game. Then Mike did make the like go ahead lay up and ended up winning the game. All the show was Mike making going to go ahead lay up and then win in the championship like this, hainte how it happened. This ain't what happened. And there was so many other moments. I like even even um the game seven against Indiana, cool

coach was bawling. Me hit nothing about cool coach bawling. All we see is Michael Jordan fade away out like not Scottie Pippen though, But Tony Cook coach is not Scottie Pippen. Broth contribute to He's not and again again second, because Tony Cook coach is a Hall of Famer, He's not a few. He's not a Hall of Film because of the NBA career. He's all fan because of what he did in europe basketball. He was if he did not come to the NBA and win championships with Michael Jordan,

he would not be in the Hall of Fame. Stop lying, Bro, But he's not Scottie Pippen. Bro. Why Scott Scott is that great of a player? Layer, Bro? He's that great of a players. They lost Michael Jordan's and lost one less game. The only he's top one for me personally. See so the way I judged basketball, We've done this on on Hoops and Bruce, So make sure y'all check

out the Hoops and Brew podcast. The way I look at basketballs, it's the best five by floor positioners, right, that's the best five players in the NBA, the best five by floor positioning. There's not three small forwards who had a greater career than Scottie Pippen. It's not three because he was on the team with the greatest player to Michael had to play with him too. That's what was on a losing team. He was a loser completely. He was Bradley Bill. Oh and guess what happened. When

you give Bradley Bill a decent team. You're not gonna call Kyle Kuzma Scottie Pippen, are you? If they win six rings. I just like the six rings. Just good looking good out there right now. Because the other game he had eighteen points of eight ten rebounds. I was like, who who's over there rebounding? By the way, I just want to say I told everybody that he was nothing

to be sneezed on. Now, he might not necessarily be better than brandon ingram like I said, but when he's giving shots an opportunity, he's probably he's gonna have a greater career in brandon Ingramd. That's fair. He might. That's my whole point, but at the time, no, it was my point. It was my point. I was like, he playing with Bron, he don't get a ring, and if he get a ring, all he had to do is just be decent for the rest of his career. You

gonna remember him. Like Kyle Kuzman is a name, Like he hasn't produced to be a name, but he a champion with Scottie Pippen is a champion, and Scottie Pippen is like, okay, right now, perfect example Cleveland being like, oh well, Kyle couse when you when your ring cousin Lebron James, He's like, well, y'all want y'all only ring Coussein Lebron James, Like, don't sit up here and tell me that I wasn't a participant. When I was a participant, I'm not the guy, but I'm not. But I was

an equal participant, which I understand. And I feel Scotty on whoa, whoa, You just you just curb grapes. It's not because it's not give him his credit. No he doesn't, not really, No he doesn't. That's a horrible job at it. Yeah, he never really does horrible job at it. He's never even came out said I would never win a championship without Scotti Pippen. That's not true. That's not true. Tell me where he said it. He said it in the last dance. He said, I will not want a championship

without Scotty. He literally said. People love to talk about Michael Jordan's and what Michael Jordan did, but there would be no Michael Jordan. There would be no championships without Scottie Pippen. He said that he needs so if he said that he needs to make a documentary, he did so I can be wrong. He used to make us. He needs to make a documentary. Yeah, I didn't see that. I didn't see that. But but but if he's said teammate, I've ever had people love to talk about Michael Jordan,

but there would be no Michael. But there would be no Michael Jordan's championships without Scottie Pippen. He said that in the documentary at the end, After After After nine, I was at Jordan brace, but I'm Jordan's g There was three straight hours in which they only showed Michael Jordan gene. It was like part five to part seven was nobody showed up beside Michael Jordan's. Do you watch football? Mm hmm, okay, what Scott Brady, Rob Bronkowski? No, look, no, no look listen but TP T P t B TP

Tom get a lot of TB. But TV. I have an issue. Even like the last Super Bowl, everybody was like, Tom Brady was so great, the defense you won that game. I like the gee they held Pat my owns the fucking six points. Why are we talking about Tom Brady? He wasn't that damn good. That's the whole other point. But what I want to focus on is how great Scottie Pippen is. And I think it gets lost because

the way we look at basketball. I've talked to your about this a lot, where scoring it's all scoring, who's scoring the most points? But Scottie Pippen as an offensive player, it's kind of the prototype for a point forward. The Magic Johnson was actually a point guard. Scottie Pippen is the point forward right where he could orgestrate your offense. He can make the quality passes and he can get you the bucket. Right. So he was a top three

small forward offensively in the game. He was gonna make first team All NBA, second Team All NBA, a third team All NBA for ten years. But defensively he was the best small forward in the NBA by a mile. Michael Jordan's was able to play with the best small forward in the NBA through the nineties. Who the gets that opportunity, You're about the lie who gets the opportunity to play with the best shooting guard of all time

for a whole decade, the best small forward. Yeah, but he was the greatest shooting guard of all time before you became the best. He wasn't. He wasn't the greatest shooting guard before he was the best shooting guard. Wasn't the greatest shooting guard. No, No, Larry Bird called him a god. He became he was the greatest I saw marketing. That's all so after so after year three, he's a great shooting guard. Ever, Yeah, with the thirty four wins,

they won thirty two games that year. Bro player to player, no comparison player. There's no such thing as the player. The players when they get their asked whoop and only one thirty three games, that's player the player. Know what I'm saying is you're playing. You could pick any player. Who are you gonna say before him? I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I'm telling you there players before Michael Jordan. That's an honest question. Is it Rick Barry? They're players

who achieved more than Michael Jordan. Well, he's a small forward. Um, Jerry West probably would be that guy. Shout out to Jerry West. Jerry West always goes and get some ice cream before the Clippers game. Take all your dispect back about Jerry Westways didn't take all one of the one of the greatest minds in the history of basketball. So one of the kindest human beings out of man. Shout out to Jerry West. Man here, cool dude, He's Superman.

So the point I'm saying is Michael Jordan was the best shooting guard in the NBA those three or four years. But he wasn't the greatest shooting guard. He didn't have the greatest career for a shooting guard, Scottie Pippen. He had the luxury of playing with the best small forward in the NBA for ten years. Roughly, Can I ask a question? Sure? Okay? Take away with Michael Jordan's championships and also removed Kobe Bryant because we know Kobe Bryant

is a spawn of Michael Jordan's. Other than that, who was the greatest shooting guard of all times? Jerry West? If Michael Jordan's No, if Mike still scored thirty five thousand points, won all of them awards, m VPS Defensive West Ever, wont to ring. It's not Jerry West? Who what? WHOA? We would never name somebody, We would never name anybody like that. That's like saying John Stockton is the best. That's like saying car Malone is the best power forward.

Nobody says Carl Yeah, but car Malone, not Michael Jordan. Karl Malone then win if you take you literally just said, if you take away championships, pas come from winning seasons. Exactly. We gotta take a winning seasons if you become a winning seasons bro. Michael Jordan would even have a winning season without Scotti Pippen. Drip the championships away because y'all he not getting the same m vpvs without the record.

You don't know that he don't get them. You don't know you're not getting MVP winning forty five games, brot five games. Mike didn't have a winning season before Scottie Pippen, and Michael Jordan would not have finished his entire career only winning forty five games. That's that's disrespectful. You know how tough to East was, Traysy McGrady, No, you know how tough the East was. Man was winning m VP and Defensive Player of the Year before they would get

into the finals. No, stop that, this was like, this is the problem. Like we were sold Carled Malone. We saw far remove it was Carled Malone. He's like a mythical figure, so he's not so was Carl Malone. Carl Malone didn't win as much as Michael Jordan was the greatest loser before Michael Jordan's. Michael Jordan's was some of the most greatest accolades after Kareem ever. Honestly, care again based off of the fact that he played with Scotty,

he wouldn't have winning. They're not gonna give him five MVPs with losing seasons. And this is the problem with Scotty. He's let y'all inflate his head too much. No, I actually I actually watched it time. I actually watched it. I remember Michael Jordan, who we laughed at that couldn't win a game, so what so I was never impressed, So it was not it was nothing impressive. You weren't gonna stop him. Who cares? What you mean? Who cares?

If you still all? If you can't, if you can't, if you can't score a hundred and two and the other teams score a hundred, who cares? But this is my question though, because I feel like your arguments look they change on basketball because you'll be the same one to be like, oh this I made more defensive Player of the years and and he got more All NBA selections between All NBA and All Defense um as this other guy, Michael was getting all NBA and all defense

selections before Scottie Pippens. I'm not, I'm not. I'm not dis players Scotty is like to Draymond because honestly, I think it's it's it's Steph Katie than Draymond. But if you remove Katie from their dynasty because he was there for a smaller period of time, it's really Steph Curry than Draymond in terms of who people will really remember from the Warriors. And then Clay is kind of like a I don't think they will remember Draymond more than

I remember Clay. I think offense is memorable. Yeah, but even then, you don't hear Clay complaining about Steph Curry. What do you It's because Clay is not Scott Are you crazy? I disagree with that? Even lost your damn mind. So you just literally just went down a list of why Michael Jordan's was the best shooting guard right because of his NBA. That's not even the third best small forward of a time, of course he is. He's just he's the third greatest. Is not better than How was

he not? How is it? How is he not better than Neil Jim? What do you mean, I mean, I don't know he has six ships playing with the greatest player Mike never had one before him. To be fair, better play with j West and couldn't get six and they won when he retired. Who had a greater career, Larry Bird? You guess? And I love Katie with all my heart and soul. No, no, no, he hasn't had

a greater career than Scottie Pippen. I don't know if I agree with that, but I understand why you're saying Katie has not had a greater career than Scotti Pippen. But I understand why you saying what you're saying. Listen, Scottie Pippen made ten nine to ten all Defensive first Teams, seven to nine all NBA T He's probably the greatest small forward defender not named Kawai Leonard. He literally is a six time champion better than him, Kawhi Leonard. I

forget he's not. He hasn't he hasn't had a greater career. No he hasn't. He asked, Yes he hasn't. He's championships, shut two Defensive Players of the Year, two finals MVPs. Scotti Pepper has ever won the finals VPTO. He has six championships. Gee, he's never been the most valuable player in the series. Kauh was twice you val you is about best? Now, Oh my god, coupon is the best because they give you the best value. I'm gonna mute myself.

Yes they are. I never heard that. I've never heard that if you took your girl out to dinner with coupons, she'd be embarrassed. She wouldn't like, this is the best value, this is the best day to ever. Guess what. That's her that's her problem. She would not think this is the best day that ever. Last episode, let's see the last episode here talking to Peter about credit. Let's see

your last episode credit. You're talking to Peter about credit, and y'all said that the single y'all feel like the single reason why um um or at least Peter I believe alluded to it like he feels like agreed and I agree with was due to the feminist movement and men over over leveraging themselves into debt, trying to improve when trying to impress with women. So if I can't have a woman that's not appreciative of me using a coupon. What the funk? Like? Like, how much do you really give?

You're still not gonna use coupons. I'm not gonna use them because I know why you're not. You're not. You got because because Joe Girl would not see that this is the best date ever. So don't overratee value or valuable. I disagree with that though I didn't. I didn't take I didn't take an women out for less than a hundred dollars three times. And you never had a coupon and I never had a coupon. You can take a woman out for thirteen dollars, but if you've got a coupon,

it's gonna be a different conversation. You gotta see that. Though you know the type of nigga you gotta be to take a woman out with a coupon. You gotta be like a cold type of nigga to take a woman out with a coupon. Yeah, I'll be a different nigger. But that's what Scottie Pippen is. He's taking a woman out with a coupon. Maestros, Michael Jordan couldn't tested your winning season and Michael Ship Michael he might look might not have been taking me to Ruth Chris, but he

was taking me the game. I was taking you to McDonald's and buy you a bunch of Big Max and you happy about it. Scott taking us the seven. Scotty took you to the big Show. Scotty took you to the second round of the playoffs without know Michael Jordan's. He gave your winning season without know Michael Jordan, I thank you really ungrateful. See that's the thing when you deal with Jordan fans like they have a revisionist level of history where they just remember him hit in the

last shot. And again this is still Michael Jordan is the greatest shooting guard ever, you know what I mean, no questions, um the best before he even won a championship. But again, the reason we talk about him is because he wons six championships and multiple vps. He wins not five of those m vps and probably no championships without Scottie Pippen. It has been so hard, it's been really tough. And again, again and again, Michael Jordan without Scottie Pippen

is not a winning season. Scottie Pippen without Michael Jordan's is a winning season. That's just a fact they won one less game. But you have to stop because by that point in time they had built a championship caliber team. You also have to look at the championship caliber team. Wait a minute, question, did you know Michael Jordan Wants played with George Gerber? Yes, yeah, okay, then he was on his last ligers, running out the limping around and they went to the playoffs that year. So don't talk

to me in the thirty win it doesn't matter. You can mean it doesn't matter. Now you can make the playoffs and not be five hundred today. What you can do it back then, he Michael Jordan had the worst team in the Eastern eighties exactly. No. No, he because he was because he was Gland, was better than everybody he played with in the eighties other than Scottie Pippen. Not because because he was fucked up. He was sucked up.

He's that's not true. By the way. The thing about Mike is, Mike is great at he's a great scoring guard, he's one of the he's the greatest defender at all of that. But that sometimes ain't what it takes to win. You might not be able to just score the ball and defend and win. You may have to get better out of your team. That's an important thing that you don't really give credence to. You're just not gonna get that.

Creatus Michael Jordan creatings to the fact that they also had a different coach Doug Collins was coaching versus Phil Jackson. Do you where does Field rank in terms of your greatest coaches of all time? Probably number one. We're gonna saying Red are back. I'm not I'm gonna say I'm

I'm I'm fine of whoever want to say Red. But the winning season without Doug though, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean they had win the season before Field, but also there, you mean they had winning seasons with Mike and Scottie Scotti kid, Yeah, yeah, both of them. Scotty is like that though. That's like if Zion and Repelicans get successful in three years and like and and Nickle Alexander Walkers come on and started like playing real well and they win a championship and being like, oh,

well he'd been there since. It starts like yeah, but like Zion had to round in the forum like yeah, but it's it's it's eight but Michael Jordan was rounded. Michael Jordan was rounded into forms. Listen, this is the the oldest argument of scores versus playmakers, Guys who can make everybody on the court better and guys who just

do what they do. Like we like, we watched cream I du Jar in the seventies struggle at times to make the playoffs, sometimes not make the playoffs because he was a great score and he could defend, but he couldn't make everybody on the court better. So he if he didn't have the personnel right, that was pretty great. It was gonna be tough. That's the difference with Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan's. To be one honest, actually have to be one hundred and seven. Team were saying, honest,

Scottie Pippen impacted winning more than Michael Jordan's. Scottie Pippen in the first championship that everybody keeps trying to revisit the history of Scotti Pippen Garden Michael Jordan's No, no, because I'm not I'm not. I'm not saying he's a greater player than Michael Jordan's. I'm telling you he impacted winning more. I get it that the last shot was Michael Jordan, because that's all you saw. Like we were just talking about earlier when we first started, where it

was like you just remember the last shot. You don't remember the thing Scotty did to make sure that team could win. Now, I'm not saying Michael Jordan and do but Michael Jordan could do what you do on a losing team and win the team in either way, it didn't matter if Scotti Pippen had a good game, the Bulls would win. If Michael Jordan had a good game, you still probably have a losing season. Michael Jordan average as a fucking rookie and he was getting whipped on

every other day every day. But you're not taking it consider the fact of the other players that were on the team of my Now he is you know, no, he is. Listen, what he's saying is terrible. What he's when he's look, look look what he's what he's saying is this is not me agreeing or disagreeing, But what he's saying is that the fact that pivot is a playmaker, that those other people get involved in their number look better.

Jordan's can defend his ass off. Yeah, it's like Jordan's he might get sixty points, but that's sixty points from Michael Jordan's if he just gonna score sixty and everybody else score, play defense, and all I got to do with score between all of us eight five and we win. So it's like if you just go all the in points, but it's just you. I mean, I mean, look, you could even go to look at Jordan with the Wizards

and Scotty with Portland. Scotty with Portland not granted they didn't not granted that they didn't, and look and look, Scotty didn't have the best numbers on the on the team. But if you go back and defense on that team, Scotty was the best player on the team, and he's in the player on the team. It's just say he wasn't the best scorer on the team, but he was

the best player. Was a two way thing. She might have She might have got you more buckets, David Sam might have got you more buckets that time, but Scott nobody and nobody was really going crazy scoring on that team. Yeah, like eight team was the most points, Like Scotty probably has four teen. Eight team is probably the most points and If you look at the Wizards when Mike came back, they couldn't make the playoffs. Traditional and Mike style Mike

gaverage twenty six can't go nowhere. Michael Jordan became Michael Jordan again with the Wizards. So what was Scottie Pippen have done with that was his team? He would have took him front Listen, would have made a playoffs. You. This is the truth. The truth is this is this is the same conversation of score versus playmaker. Right, And Michael Jordan's a tough because he's also a defender. He's not just a score. He could defend his ass off.

Scottie Pippen was going to get more people involved and still played the highest level of defense. That's why the Bulls were successful at the highest levels with Michael Jordan's they weren't Michael Jordan just get his numbers. He was Carmelo Anthony. That might be a push, but he was pretty close. I'm so glad you not on our show, because I would be because if you because I'm glad that I'm on your show and I listened to your show, I actually listened to your show, it might have been

a bit harsh. That might have been. That might have been a bit harsh. It might have been that I want you to stop because I'm trying to hold my composer, because that might have been a bit hard. So I'm not gonna that might have been a bit harsh. I didn't mean why would you say that, Well, this is because Jordan's because Jordan's on the Wizards is the same. It's points. Jordan's on the Bulls is points. Neither one of them, both of them have losing seasons. He probably

won the same amount of game on the Wizards. How many guys did he win as a Wizard. You need to be stopped. I don't know who's gonna stop. Let's just let's focus on Let's just focus on facts. How many games did Michael Jordan win on the Wizards. I'm looking at right now. Like again, I think Michael Jordan is the greatest scoring guard ever. But let's stop acting like um, the first year they were thirty seven and forty five. That's sound like Michael Jordan record on the

Bulls without Scotti. That's Michael Jordan without Pippen. He was the same Jordan. Yeah, both years sound like Jordan, And tell me what Pippen was doing both of them years with his average Western Conference finals. Yeah, with Damon Studamyer, Rashi Wallace and a good in a good Portland Trail Blazzer. Stop talking like raschi Wi Wallace was some kind of ship. She was hard back then. Mighty wait wait wait wait

wait wait. Didn't that team have Clifford props on the two off the bench cliff Robinson and really he was coming off the bench, I believe one on that team. Yeah, that was the That was the like the past some decent years. As a stretched shooter, he was thinking about those Blazers teams. You think about those Blazers seams as those were loky to jail Blazers, like when Pepper was there the first year, they were looking at the ross

and make sure Pitt was there. The first years when they lost to uh shocking them, they were fifty three and they were twenty three. Next year they were fifty and thirty two. They lost in the first round to the Lakers. Next year they were forty thirty three, lost in the first round to the Lakers. The next year which is oh two oh three, Jordan the league fifty and thirty two, and then the next year, everyone leaves.

If I'm not mistaken, Jordan there anymore, and they so Jordan has never had a winning season without Scottie Pippen, and Scottie Pippen has always had a winning season without Michael Jordan's. This is really where you're going with this? I mean, is it the truth? Like? Like you serious, I'm going into the light. I'm going I'm going into the light. It is the truth. I respect you enough not to call you a troll because I'm asking you what I'm asking these things because is it text from you?

Just help me and understand it's not the truth. Did Michael Jordan ever have a winning season without Scott? Now? Now, now, I gotta get on my phone. Just slow, just slow, just slow that path. You never had a winning see you without drafted? Oh? Let me finish. Did Scottie Pippen have scott winning season and making the playoffs matter to you? Winning season? When it? When I think at the eighties, I think it was, yeah, probably not not, Probably probably

not because because because year he got drafted. I think that's when. Uh, I wonder why I wonder why I wonder things that make you go hum, I wish I could play that song right now. Things that make you go home? So the first year Scotti comes in the league, Michael Jordan wins the m VP and defensive things that make you go home? Not to be fairly. Secondly, he was hurt, but he was h to be fair, things gonna make you go? No, wait a minute, but you also discount the fact that he did break his foot.

Things that make you go? What do you mean to make you go? He broke his foot. How many MVPs did he win without Scottie Pippen? Bro he played two seasons before Scottie Pippen came into the league. How many vps ad he win? Okay, so listen, so let me get this track because you're not using context to make your argument. And that's what I'm saying. Okay, okay. How many how many winning seasons? How many? How many? How

many winning seasons did he have without? How many winning seasons did he have in the literally came into the league? He lost? He was he was twenty one. The next year he broke his foot, he played eighteen games. I mean, what was his first year when he was twenty one? How many games did they win when he was twenty one. Hold on, maybe I gotta look. Sorry, I'm looking on my phone. He was won thirty eight games. Um, there they were thirty and forty four. What do you move about?

It's another rookie that it was a rookie that came a few years earlier and they made the playoffs at thirty eight and four. That the East was trash and the next year they in the next year made the playoffs. How many games they win the next year start think we'll start two the next year? How many they how many games they win that? How many games do they win? They made the playoffs every year with Scotti Pippen one there, So I don't want to hear that. How many games

did they win? How many games do they haven't? Winning season? They were never above five hundred, but they made the playoffs? Scotti, has Scottie Pipper ever been below five hundred without Michael Jordan's m You have to use some context though, bro, But okay, okay, you're talking about championship level team. Scott

Pippen was not the best player wards. The Wizards had Richard Hamilton's Kwamie Brown, Hubert Davis, Brendan Haywood, Popeye Jones, Christian later, Tyrone Lou one of the worst teams of all time? Is that? Is that the right from Michael Jordan? All the what what? What? What? On that team? Brown Brown? One thing I will say here, here we go. Jerry

Stackhouse before we got traded and let legal score. I think he came to the Wizards and dropped off to whatever the hell it was because Michael was taking the shot that Scott Look, this is not me, this is not me saying so the following year, So the following year, for the following year had Kwamie Brown, Brendan Haywood, Larry Hughes, Jared Jeffries, Christian Later, Tyron Loup, Charles Oakley, Byron Russell,

Jerry Stackhouse. No, look up, Jerry Stackhouse numbers before he went to the Wizards, and he and that team was below four hundreds, and that team was below five hundred. That's that's That's why I don't I'm wonder Scottie Pipper impact winning more than Michael Jordan's true? Is he a granted winner in Michael Jordan? Does he impact winning more? Yes? So, Michael and a Blazer's team, they wouldn't have been winners, No, they would have won forty two games. They would have

won forty games up. That's too many shots going shoot too much. You don't know what else to do. The shots going up? Bro, you got damas sodomy, She Bozzy Wills Jorge first of all, Jordan would have fought them number one. Yeah, they would have succumbed to his will and they would played better. Now. She Wallace wouldn't She Wallace would have slappy dog. You would not have would

have happened? You know what happened? You know how in that commercial that they had when they're like, um, you know, like like blurd the background out and it's and it's Kobe dribbling involved versus Scotty and he's crossed. Scotty ass up and Scotty completely go out the frame and he throwed a lot off the shock Mike ripping Kobe and they're going down and the blaze is going to the fund.

Scott on the table. Who would have never? You would have never, You would have never got to the conference front. How Michael, You're never got to the conference finals without Scotti. Pippen never Toby dropped fifty on Mike and a half. Yes, he did it. Happened. I know you don't think Ward. I know you don't think weichers. Mike would have been able to do something with Kobe, Hm Wizard. Mike couldn't do nothing Ai. That would have been fine, And they

couldn't do nothing with Mike. That with that, with that blistering two a game, what do you mean that blistering? That just that sun score? Hold up that sun score that scuns that sun scorching. Listen, listen, we're all about jealousy and y'all just don't want to come some time. It's it's time to give credit. It's time to give credit to Scottie Pippen because he's earned it. He get his credit. Do you treat him like he's help? He was helped. He's not that C, C and C. And

that's the problem. He's not Magic Mad, He's not Magic Johnson. Scottie Pippen was mask and team is not as important as how do you what? How? What do you know? Because Magic was you think the best player on the team once he was on that team, That's not he was never the best. That's that's not true. Bro. Magic was the best player on that team once a second. He got drafted. That's not true. Kareem one VP that year. He didn't come in with the hype. Yeah, who came

in and wanted to come in with the hype? No, I'm talking about the hype as in being better than Kareem. He didn't come in with the hype. He was better than Kareem, not the first year the Korean the moment he came first. This is a lie. Kareem was an m VP that year. The NBA literally thought the finals was over because the man's brain, his ankle and my nigga showed up and showed you what he was and we couldn't say the best player on the team. No, no,

he couldn't know. And and he didn't make an excuse that he didn't have help who magic? Yeah, you took the finals? What you mean he took whatever he had. He took whatever he had and get you a fifty piece was out there going bad? Are you talking to me about? Come on, man? Oh wait, I want to I want I want to talk about Scotty in general with his back thing like you were half dead with your back. Of course, PP Scotty Pipper had the best plus minus on the team in that game. He was

a plus twelve. Granted he did not score that many points, but even if you look at that game, it was why he wants it out here. He still played solid defense, He brought the ball up court, and he was a reason why Michael Jordan could go out there and drop four or four points. Can you imagine because also also on the rated part, Harp had a bad knee in

that game. Can you imagine if Jordan has to bring the ball up court every single play, play defense on whoever and go score for four to four points, that's a lot. At least Scottie is there to walk the ball up court defend Mike up you already we have a many times about how Mike said he used to get rest in games like all right, you know what today up, yeah, let me let me go. If you look at that, a lot of them shots was post ups. A lot. I'm just saying he had the best plus

minds on the game. But this goes back to everything. Ain't jest Scotty. You need to send Pavvy a case of your bourbon and send Glasses one of your books that signed, because no, because we're being honest, because we're not drinking we're not drinking the Michael Jordan cool later. It's not about not it's not about being dishonest. It is you're being disingenuine. If you call Scottie Pippen the Hill, he gets his credit. You just you just referenced him.

You referenced him as Jeffrey. He made that help Michael Jordan's and the Chicago Bulls winning. He is the team. He was never the best player on the team when

he played with Michael Jordan's. What does that mean out He's he's arguably I believe he's the second greatest second option of all time after Kobe Bryant is shot because I mean after Kareem abdulbar No, no, I disagree, because I think Kareem would Kareem and Magic that was, like I said once Magic after to me, like even with that means Kareem would be the second option Kareem was at the end of his career. Kareem is like what eight is to Lebron right now, Lebron number two eight

is the best player on the team. He's been the best play on the team. The same thing with Magic. That's what I'm saying. But but that, but that only you was not in my top two. I'm sorry, give me my Kobe and Shack. But but again this is important, right, and this is really important to focus on the facts. Right. The facts is, Michael Jordan doesn't have a winning season without Scottie Pippen. The fact that Scottie Pippen never has

not had a winning season without Michael Jordan's. And the facts are Michael Jordan made the made the postseason three seasons without Scottie Pippen, including a year in which he broke his foot and they were trying to tank to get a high draft pick, and they still made the playoffs. Michael Jordan at that same point in time was still all NBA and that just tells you how bad he was called god by the guy who was technically the best player in the league at that point. What doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter, And I don't know why, and I don't know why, and I don't know why he was the best player in the NBA. That was a whole another story, but we're not gonna get to that. In the NBA, Magic Johnson was already better by that point.

I mean, I mean, I know nobody was getting credit, but it's all good Magic was the best player of the eighties period down so so but me saying, but me saying, when he came in he was instantly better than Kareem his blasphems, I'm gonna watch that because Kareem was that niggd when he first came in. For sure, Kreem was getting buckers now good, he got hurt and Jordan's magic went out there and closed the door and all that. But the door was able to be closed

as well. The point I'm saying is this, Scottie Pippen impacts winning more than Michael Jordan's. It doesn't make him a greater player. It's not a greater player than Michael Jordan's, right, But the reality is he impacts winning greater. But you say that, and then you but but you add a butt after when you say that Michael Jordan's greatness is conditioned up on Scottie Pippen. No, I'm telling you it

was great Michael Jordan winner without Scottie Pippen. And I'm totally so named it so named the greatest loser probably Tracy McGrady, el Jim Baylor, Alan Iverson alone is there, so he'd be calm alone, he'd be a better version of carm alone. But you and the pantheon of great players, Carl Malone is still not the best at his position. If he has been no player that has come along

since Michael Jordan's or before Michael Jordan. That if Michael Jordan accumulated the same statistics and the same m vps and all that ship because mv p's only count because Scotty piparts those are regular. How many MVPs did he win without Scottie Pippen? You can't say that he was in scott Pippen was drafted, of course, you mean he did he win? Did he win? Did he win the envy? Did he did he win? That's not the same, It

is the same. Clay Thompson is not Scotti Pipper. He was not the Clay Thompson does not have the accomplishments. Scotti is disrespectful. Scotti Pippen accomplished this on his own with Michael Jordan's by his side, And Michael Jordan's only won m vps with Scotty by his side. He wouldn't win one. But you, but you can't acknowledge that Michael was that Michael Jordan was was probably, if not the best player, one of the best players in the league. And I don't mean you win MVP. NVP is a

record bas award, but I disagree with that. It's not award because Russell Westbrook win the m v P when he was the sixth seed. They won his third year stops third years. He would not have had a winning season. But TV, but TV, but TV, but TP, TV, but TV, but TV. He won one and Russ put up damn made same numbers after that he won one a VP. Yes, Mike would have got a VP because Mike is incredible. He would have put up incredible numbers and somehow would

have got envy. But that would have not getting six. Yeah that's not no, no, look no, literally, so he wouldn't make He'd be calling alone. He'd be calling called Malonel alone, Parme alone. He'd be carm alone. If you give karm alone two rings, you understand he's the greatest part for the all. If you give Karl malone Scotti than Tim Duncan, you're lying a numbers across the board and he's not great. He has better numbers. The only separation is winning. He has greater numbers. Across the board

until I'm dunker. But I would argue that Tim duccan had better teams than Karl Malone. He didn't. I disagree with that, didn't I disagree with that. John Stockton, John Stockton without championships is better than Tony Parker. Yeah he is. It's not, no, but it goes through. I'm talking. Stop talking. Manu was not the reason they I don't know why do y'all keep doing this. I get it that y'all liked him. I get y'all like the euro Step, but Manu Jobli is not. Y'all talk about him like he's

Scottie Pippen though no, nobody said that Scottie Pippen. If you, if you mentioned Tony Parker in the context of being the second option, so under the same no, I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't mention Tony Parker. Listen again, those are offensive questions. I don't judge basketball and that kind of intellectual second best player on the first teams, Listen, the best defensiony you're talking about? Yeah, and you David Robinson at first, David Robinson Parker. You can take away

the ring with Robinson. Take away the Ring with David Robinson, Tim dunk, your career is still great a car a loans? No, okay, no, if he doesn't have if they neither one have rings, people say Carl Malone and had a greater career because it's cool. One thousand points. Yep, they give him. That's true, It's true, true the Michael same argument argument any better than Michael Jordan. We would never ever say Carl Malone was the greatest power forward, no matter what he accomplished,

because he did. Tim Dunnan, the guy who won the championship after him, Dennis Robin for me, No, yes, metrics. Anybody you're saying Metrics did Robin should be not yet. And also, this is the other thing. This is the other thing. This is the other thing. Dennis Robin play with Scotti Pippen and Michael Jordan's So why is it that you all automatically heap all of this credit onto Scottie Pippen for being the second option? We did this.

Robin was there for the second three peat. I don't know if I know this I have I don't know if he knows why, I don't know if you I don't know if you know this hired Scottie Pippen. So why are you making an argument to me about Scottie Pippen being undappreciated, but you have Dennis Robin hired the Scottie Pippen because you're talking about three NBA players ever. But look, this funks more with your Jordan braids. Though

now he's really saying like, it doesn't. No, it doesn't, No, it doesn't, it does, it does, it doesn't because every guard that wins multiple championships in the NBA usually has a great power forward or a center behind them. A lot of me, including step and Curry, Draymond Green has been right there behind him. People don't enough. But that's not my point point. But my point is it's like Clay coming back and be like, why ain't get enough credit for doing that? For not say that? And Robbie

can say that about Scottie Pippen. He has said that, He has said that, a matter of fact, Michael Jordan's says specifically, we don't. First off, they got bounced without Rodman, got bounced by Shack without robbing. They go today to their worst enemy. This is how cold Jordan is. Scotty doesn't even want then it's robbing. He's like, yeah, we hate this dude, Mike like funk that I got to win. That shows you Mike has hell been on winning. Oh but he but but without Scottie Pippen, he wouldn't have

been a winner. He would have still been trying to go get the best players in the league to come and play with him. Like it's disrespectful to Mike for y'all said, trying to act like Scottie Pippen is Like, we're not in a situation where it's like Casey and Joejoe. It's not Casey and Joejoe. Mike is Michael Jackson. Scottie Pippen is whoever the second Jackson brother that was in line. No, no, Phil Jackson is Clipsy Joes. No, no, no, okay, okay, okay, then okay, I got you. He's at it. No, he's

Rod Temperature. You don't even know Rod Temper. He wrote he wrote thriller, and he wrote a bunch of songs on through Paul Michael Paul, whoa, whoa, wait what Michael Jackson didn't write thriller? No he no, no, that's not true. He actually no, this is the thing Mike. Mike would come in with voice notes that's not true. To go listen to the Thriller Deluxe album. I don't know how I actually I actually, I actually know exactly that this this right up my alley, right of mine. But that's

the thing. But no, no, no, no, no no, let me get this point. Let me he did. He didn't write Jackson again. Michael Jackson ain't ship without Rod Temperature, and Rod Temperature ain't ship without Michael Jackson except he had the heat. Except except except, except, except, exactly except except Rod Temperton had already wrote hits. Michael Jackson didn't have hits before hits with the Jackson five, or he had knocked off Marvin Gay hits. We start Marvin Gayson.

He doesn't hit Marvin Gay and the rest of them people at Motown saying everybody else song until it was a hit. I'm not, I'm not. I'm just telling you. Rob Temperton is responsible for the Michael Jackson we see, the one that we praise. Let me let me finish, let me let me finish, let me finish. He's responsible for the way we view Michael Jackson like right now. The reason we see Michael Jordan. The way we see him it is because of Scottie Pippen. Without him, he's

Michael Jackson to the Jackson five. He's a dope thing. We love him, the death coolest kid in the world. He did that bullshit ass movie that everybody overpraised like it was really great. It wasn't. But in reality he have been Space One great. No, no, not not. Jordan's Place definitely wasn't great. But come on, Michael Jackson did that movie as well. Michael Jackson did The Wirds. He

got them Wirds to Michael Nigger, same nigger. Nick Rod Temverton only wrote the song Thriller, Baby d Mine and the Lady in My Life he wrote up Listen Listen, though Michael Jackson is Thriller off the Wall, Michael Jackson is Thriller Michael Jackson bro No, no, Michael Jackson moonwalk Michael, that's stolen. That's stolen. It's not it's not him. Thriller is him? Oh my god, No, it's my Listen. Thriller is Michael Jackson's most famous song. I've had this argument

with this van media tall before. I've had this argument. This is his most famous song. That's his probably worst song, but it's his most famous song. Though. But but but again, again, again, again again again called ship pop listen, soul listen all the other ship Like, what made thriller so soulful? You have to you have to ask the made thriller? So it's it's not, but it's it's more than hot corn bullshit,

if it was, it's more. It's more than sold right, it's more than soul like, And I'm glad you brought that a soul of Michael Jackson because not the it's not the salt, it's the combinations thing would have made thriller In the eighties, people would have called that ship corny, the same way you call this ship a little and it's still and it's still would have went platinum. But that but that's not the soul. But that's not the let's focus on. Let's let's focus on the point. The

point is very much Michael Jackson's calling card. It's thriller. Michael Jordan's calling card is six and No. Without Scottie Pippen, without Rod Temperton, the way we view the mics, we would not view them. It's a fact. That's a fact. If if if Jordan's Michael Jackson, then Scottie Pippen is

Rod Temperton and Phil Jackson is Quincy Jones. Without those components, without Rod Temperton riding Thriller, Michael Jackson's greatest in signature song, we would not see a matter of fact, you don't have an album that sells forty million, you don't have the title of the album. You don't have the single that became the greatest, possibly the greatest song ever. You don't have it. So I'm not saying Michael Jordan's or Michael Jackson would have not been great without those things.

Michael Jackson was already great, like Jordan was great. But the way we see them is rooted and these particular great men being a part, and they're not just like the nigger that's the engineer. They're not the nigger going to seven eleven. Rod Temperton is Rod motherfucking Temperton. He's not some motherfucker runner the meal motherfucker. It's like trying to give him too much credit without giving it the field. Again,

Let's remember Jordan's before. It's not because of the years, it's because he literally didn't impact winning as much as Scottie Pippen. That's a fact. But do you do you hear how far your explanation is Gonne. You've gone from equating Scottie Pippen to being where he was, and now he's below than his Robin, and you compare him to Rod Temperton. I think, I think, I think Scottie Pippen. I think Temperton has written some of the greatest songs to ever be written in music history. No cap, Go

and look up his discography. He's written some of the I know you know that I'm talking about people who listen to this disrespect to Rod. But like the same way Rod helped Mike with that one, he also wrote Rock with You. He also wrote Rock with You. He did Yes how that um at all the time? I love it. All I'm saying is I'm not taking credit. I'm not taking credit. But it needed Michael Jackson. It would have been nothing without Michael Jackson. You're missing You're

you're missing missing the temper around. I'm happy you said that. My points from a very long time ago, which point you said the Bulls were nothing without Jordan, the Bulls were nothing with the bull The second part of the Bulls wouldnt be nothing without Robbing. There would be nothing without Cook. No, they would be, they would be. They would have a winning season. There would be nothing without Horrors Grant they have a winning season. No, they wouldn't have.

They had a winning season without horse grand and Michael Jordan's if Horton they had a winning season without it. They did have a winning sea without they that that that that's actually true. They they didn't have they were winning coach. This is my thing. Yeah, you you've been convenienced with your you've but bus always had two Hall of famers on Trail Bladgers. There was a winning season trail Blazer. There was a winning season, yes, but that

was a that's a team. So who is a hall of fam Because he was on the Bulls the same bros And don't stop and Adie Pippen is regarded as highly as he is because he was on the Bulls of Michael Jordan. Michael as highly as he is because he was on the Bulls. So let me ask a question, Let me ask a question, Let me ask you what he was already He was already something. He was actually just as famous Michael Jordan when he joined the Bulls that's true. But the point I'm trying to make it

is Michael is Michael Jackson. Is Michael Jackson the same version of Michael Jackson without Rock with you and without thriller. He isn't. I'm not saying he's not an all time but I'm not saying he's not a great talent. I'm telling you, was he the Michael Jackson that we talk about. No, I disagree with that. He's to stop. He's not. He's not if you don't have rock with you, if you don't have rock with you, bro, he's Marky Mark. You have to that's so disrespectful. Marion. You act like you

never heard off the Wall. Mario with You was not the only song off the Wall. It's the important song. It's the most important songs. You get enough for one. The smash that's a knockoff Marvin gay Soon that they stole from Marvin Game, it's still not a smash. It it's actually not even a great song. That's a thriller, is not fired beat. It's not a smash, and what like what universe in my living in Billy is not a smash. Philly Gene is a knockoff Hall of old song,

I don't care if you don't care about this. Yes, this is I can't go for that Hall of Notes the same he's that song let me, let me, let me, let me, let me finish, let me finish, let me finish, let me, let me finish, let me. He stole their song. He didn't even re sing it. He could have just re saen the song. He actually stole it, made another version of it. This is another thing. The reality is without Rock with You and without Thriller, we don't see

Michael Jackson the same way we see him today. That's not to say he's not an all time great talent. It's not to say Michael Jordan's not an all time great talent without Scottie Pippen, is he the version of Michael Jordan that we talk about. Fuck No, but technically Don't Stop Till You Get Enough was a bigger song than Rock with You, So that's my point, a knockoff.

But Michael Jackson stole made the machine run. He's not Michael Jackson at album before Off the Wall and after the Jackson fives at Off one of the biggest artists in the world transition. He was flopping. Ben was a flop. It was flops all in between. Quincy Jones came and helped him, man, and you're trying to take credit. Still, Jackson came, made him and then they got Rod Temperton, and then we get Air Jordan's the guy that's doing space Jam the six Championships. Then we didn't have Jordan

on eight seven. We didn't have him back then, I didn't have Michael Jordan. I'm not saying you have the Jacksons. I'm not saying you to have I'm not saying you to have Dance Machine. I'm not saying you didn't have ABC. I'm not saying you to have these fantastic songs. I'm telling you the way we view Michael Jackson is because of Rock with You and Thriller. The way we view Michael Jordan's is because of the Six Rings in the m v ps. That is the overall idea of why

the country, the world sees him this way. That has no chance of happening at all without Scottie Pippen, Like it has no chance at all of happening without Roy Temperton. It's not going to happen. I get it. I'm not saying Michael Jordan is not more important to Scottie Pippen. I'm not saying in the grand scheme of things, I'm

telling you what Rod Timperton did it's more important. But then what Michael Run on the album Thriller without the song with before the album, the name Thriller, the run he had before the song Thriller was even released, The Girl is Mine with Paul McCartney, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Paul McCartney, Billy Jean beat it want to be starring something human nature, p y t like. And then Thriller came out after all of that like that, and you know why Thriller is bigger than all of those arens

the top. But it's not that. It's not just it's not. It's the reason. It's the reason it's soon, and it's the reason, it's the reason Thriller so forty million. Without it, it's it's purple Rain without Thrillers, Purple Rain without Thriller. It's purple rain without Thriller, Thrillers, purple ring. That's what separated him from Prince Thriller. Outside of that, outside that, Prince can make, Prince can make beat It, Prince can make Billy Jane. Prince can make the girl. The Prince

can make blah blah blah. He could make all that. You know what Prince couldn't make because you know why, he couldn't dance like Michael Jackson and Thriller. He couldn't hit that routine and he thought it was too corny to play a zombie. That's what made him if out the Little ozact ship. You mentioned the word corny. You call him corny numerous times, right, and said that it's like a pop contrived thing. If the pop contrived thing that Michael Jackson does becomes popular, you can't fault the

artists for the thing becoming popular. When I didnt gave y'all six smashes back to back to back to back to back, I'm not farting, Mike. I'm not farting. I'm not farting Michael Jackson. I'm telling you, I'm not. I'm not ever still gave y'all like decades of smash and Michael and Michael and Michael Jordan's was scoring a bunch of points, but without called a god by a guy that are considered in their profession, and that is not I've been called that that's not enough. That's not enough.

The general public is thriller. The general public is six and so people call you a guy, which I believe you're rap guy, especially West Coast rap guy. What's your NBA comparison? I bet you're not telling me a Scottie Pippen my move do Ralf man Man one of the niggas that were just like cold that niggas tried the front on. But I'm about to turn it into Ben Wilas on you niggas. I'm about to be the only undrafted nigga to ever go to the I feel it come on so strong. At the end of my career.

I'm gonna win five Defensive Player of the Years in a row. I'm gonna have a chip or two to talk about when it's all setting done. And niggas ain't gonna never give me my credit. But I don't need these niggas too, just like my nigga being like my nigga, Scotty perfect O. Real niggas, Real niggas give the credit. Real niggas give Scotty their credit credit. Real niggas give

Scotty their credit, like real niggas give Rod Timperton his credit. Yeah, but but but Rod not running around saying y'all give him like too much credit. That's because Michael Jackson ain't making a documentary every two days like I did this on my own a million Michael Jackson documentaries. He did. Everybody else made a Mike Game made one documentary at all. My game with that's that's try I'm fine with. That's fine with Michael making the last day, Michael making the

last day because Lebron James making this push. Look he's making this push to Lebron James. He's like, hold on, let me shut this nick down. And he trying to make my space jam d Scotty Like, damn, bro, that's how you're gonna do me, like you got your own Lebron, like Michael Jordan had his own Lebron James. Not enough though, Michael,

what's y'all? It's like it's being but this is my question. No, it's not enough that but but but that's I don't like that because when there's enough enough for these guys in terms of being praised, like what do you want Michael Jordan to do? For Scott? I wanted him. I wanted him to make a documentary on Scottie Pippet. I'm a billionaire, I'm running the hornets. Why am I making documentaries about you? About yourself? The whole team was in

a documentary. No no, no, that it was a Michael Jordan probably no, no, no, no, no no no, it was Michael Michael. Michael Jordan's Hitler at the NBA. I think it's like Hitler bro. That Nigg is like Hitler bro. And if you listen to his stories about how he treated other people, he's like Hitler. I respect Heler. I think Hitler is a great man, great good it means impactful. Yes he did because he drove everybody. Haler was probably crying at the buck when the people can't a killing.

Think conspiracies that he escaped the mood to Argentina place with no uh, I believe him. Conspiracies. I mean my my My point is, again, like I said, dog, Scottie Pippen is under credited. We don't see Michael Jordan the way we see him without Scottie Pippen. It's impossible. It's just not gonna happen. We don't see Michael Jackson the same way we see him without rope. With your thriller. You just can't see it. Imagine there's no Thriller, there's no Mike is Mike is Rents. You mean, so you

mean to tell me on the album would beat it? Right? You keep in mind the video for Thriller came out way after the song beat It. You're telling me if even that album didn't include the song thriller, and the name of the album was beat It, we would be looking at Mike and the same. It's not the greatest. It probably wouldn't be. When doves cries way better than beat it. Dove cries. Think princess music is subjective because I only like when doves cry, it's way better than

beat It. I would that's because you were That's because you were a kid in remindy of a childhood. When doves cry, anybody with ears, adult ears, anybody with adult ears knows when doves cry, it's better than beat It's not even close. Beat It is actually kind of corny. Tries like not one of Prince's best songs to me, like that's not my that's not in my child again, it's like again the separation between Mike and Princes. It's Thriller,

and when doves cry. The concept of Thriller being so great and vast and much bigger than any artists had created first is when doves cry, that's the separation. Without it, that's not happening. Bro. You don't see Michael Jackson without without Thriller. Dog, he's prints, argue Michael Jackson. Thriller changed music, videos, and formula, and that even gave Michael formula for when he dropped videos like YO, make this Ship a Holy Then, in my personal opinion, I was say he did that

would beat it? Though? Beat It was a whole movie he had, wasn't It wasn't a good movie. It wasn't thriller. It wasn't thrilling. It was I don't even remember beating no more. To be honest, he had like bloods and Thriller is the greatest. No, that's bad, that's beat. It isn't it so beat? It is with Wesley Snipes. No no, no, no, no, no, that's bad. Okay, either way, neither one. Either way. It wasn't that great. I remember that it wasn't that great.

It was actually a corny, choreographed dancy But that's not the point. The point is Thriller Thriller is where it's sat. Yeah, but like that's still a dance people do that. That's the greatest. Listen, that's the greatest. You're missing the point. No, they don't. They're not. Nobody's climbing up a road. The thing is, Thriller is the greatest music video ever ever. That's his. The reason Michael Jordan's Michael Jordan is because

he's six and old. That's his Thriller. Nobody else is six and old except Michael Jordan's and and and star. That is Scottie Pippen. He was a part of it, but you were Michael Jordan's. That's he's just like Rod Timperton is not Michael Jackson. But you don't have that version of Michael Jackson without Rod Temperton. So can I ask you a question? This an honest question. Let me here's a better question. Here's a better question for you. Ask that question. It's Rod Timperton one of the greatest

songwriters ever. Yeah, then no question. Scotti pimper is one of the greatest small forts ever. Yeah. He wrote for the BGS and all of them ships like he wrote book Night. Rod Temperton got some ship like Dad ass Rod Timperson got some legit like my favorite Michael Jackson Rock with You, so have Rock with You was my favorite Michael Jacksonson. So I'm not gonna say no. Rob Timperton wrote always in Forevor for me. But that's my personal opinion. No remember time, not even a top tim

Michael Jackson record. Okay you're lying, But my question about it is, if Scotty felt this way, why would you have Michael Jordan and ducked you into the Hall of fame when you was getting to all favors because they thought they was bored and doing that years ago. Mike just started doing it. Mike started drigging Mike, Mike, And I mean you always Harvard this resentment for me. No, no, no, it's been over years of contriving, like Mike started drigging his own cool leg We'll see. I grew up in

the time period. Nobody called Michael Jordan the greatest player in real time until he got the six ring and retired and he was like, you know what, that nigga might have been the best. That's how long it took. You gotta think magic was out with five rings, three four m vps finals, MVPs that was the most dominant team of the eighties. Michael Michael Jordan didn't get the credit until that six ring and he walked off the court. Nigga's like, he to me, I was like, man, what

that was some ship we just saw. So Michael Jordan never got the benefit in real time because he was always chasing the ghosts of other great players. Right, He's always chasing Bill Russey, was always chasing Magic Johnsy. He was always chasing Koreem. He's always chasing those guys. When he got his six ring and he walked off the court, this is from a nigga who hate him. I was like, and that nigga might have been the best. That's really

what happened. Nig is like it really the conversation didn't start until after. Like it's some people in real time, it's like, all you he could score you know, all the he could score points, but like the overall idea of basketball winning and being successful. When he got that six ring, nigga and he knocked that shot, that he was like that nigga might have been the best nigga. So he didn't have to drink the cool and he

was too busy chasing greatness. But over the year is right now people was putting him up there, he's starting to fill it and now other people was threatening him with other players with Lebron threatening him, right, so he's now he's like, Okay, I need to preserve my legacy, so let me make this documentary. That's the shade to somebody who I literally, who I literally needed to be

who I am. They said this nigga started the documentary two weeks after Lebron came back from three more exactly like he had to foot it locked away for twenty years or eighteen years, they said, the nigga Broun came back from three one and it was like, yeah, let's start working on this documentary because that's when niggas was and they feelings about Bron in real time like that was he's the greatest, he made the greatest come back. No he didn't. He's not the greatest because of that's

not enough. It's not enough. So again it's one of those things where Scottie Pippen does have a right to be upset. And I do think the Michael Jordan's followers right, like they call Lebron the bron sexuals, the Michael Jordan's guys, the air Heads, the air Jordan's the air Heads. They are live, really getting out of control and not giving true credit to Scottie Pippen for what he was able to do for Michael Jordan's legacy and for the Bulls team He's not helped. He is just as important, if

not impacting winning more than Michael Jordan's. He's just as important Michael Jordan player than Dennis Rodman who played with him, and Michael Jordan helped both of them win three rings, the second third and the second three. But that but that doesn't matter. You told me that Michael Jordan want to win without Scotty, he wouldn't have won one. Okay, My question is the three that Scotty gap. Let's say, let's say not a second, not a second three and

not a second Scotty rank at all time. If Scotty, if Scotty and Mike in that three championships, Scotty taped to the convert after that, where Scotty and Mike, if they if he's not in front of Dr JH No not not not If they win three ja and he's a trans top five, still top three, Still that's my point, it's like he's the conversation listen is much credit, but he's not three. But why is it always about me and Michael? Why is it never like Yo, he don't give,

he don't give. He didn't give nobody enough credit. He didn't give Dennis enough credit. I never him, I never hear him put anybody because I'm not in this, bro, I would do with you. The whole time I've argued, I've argued that, I'm arguing. I've argued consistently they don't win another title without Dannish Roban after the first three. But Scotty, whole thing is as I don't get enough credit.

Why are you just because Michael fucking Jordan's should be giving him because because the weed changed, Because the weed changed over the time, he changed the constant. Is Scott's been the same? No, they have, They've changed the niggas. One would be j fucking arm Star. You could just be championship. It wasn't built. It wasn't building championship teams. They you could plan any nigga once you have these two niggas until the second. But that's that's what they did.

That's what they did. They won a Championship with Luke lonely but glasses. You just told me that the second run and Mike went in and walking off with the final shot. Is the ship that made him the greatest player in people's mind of all time. Ye if we do, it's robbing. Neither of us get those other three rings. And if you don't have and if you don't have Scottie Pippen, then this might not Yeah, Nigga might go

to Orlando. You get shipped, you get nothing. I said, what about the like I said, the whole time Michael Jordan was there, he was playing with minimum to other Hall of famers, the same thing. I'm sorry, I'm sorry not to our famous playing minimum one Hall of Famer, same ship with Scottie the whole time, the whole time, the whole this is this is not a question. This is not a question. And other great players on the Bulls beyond Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan's no, that was

that's a lie. When who was it? Who was in the first three When Michael Jordan, who was who is it? Who is the other Hall of Fame in the first three titles? Michael Jordan, I said, they always played with one of the Hall of Famer said again, so again, right again, this is the same we're talking about Scottie Pippen, who's a fucking Hall of Famer. How Kim Alajwan one without a Hall of Famer, not Michael Jordan, one of them early bulls. See you know what, I'm glad you said.

I'm glad you said, Kim Logan jan How kim Alajuan might be the only person who won without an Hall of Famer, without another one Oscar Robinson won on the scene. Nigger? What bad? No? No, that that? What's that? What's that? Michael Jordan thinking about Luall Cinder? My bad? What's Michael Jordan? What's that? Michael Jordan? What's that? Michael George Quila? I started thinking about Luall Cinder my bad? How you getting

us Jordan? Because talk about Kareem the whole time. So I'm thinking, hey, Mike, see him some of that sing core Row because that's what he over there dragging, right, they dranking the juice. That's core Row. And also that's a lie. Clyde Drexon was on one of the second time I was the second team focus. He want to ring without one other Hall of fame. You know who else? Want another ring without a Hall of Famer? Ben Wallace? Honest to Ben Wallace, Hold up, Ben Wallace. I don't

know what's gonna happen in the future. Ben Wallace might make the Hall of Fame one. What does that mean? No, he's not not. What does that mean? I'm just I'm just saying that's how you talk about Michael Jordan's It's not true, all right, man, he would do like like I think. But also people don't realize my scaul was. Jordan's job was the score. Like his job, his job, which is why he's the greatest scoring guard ever. His

job was to score. He did his fucking job. Here, the greatest scoring guard ever in one of the top five, if not top three, greatest perimeter guards and perimeter defenders. I wouldn't say that. No, name five, Name five better perimeter defenders? Said top five or three? I said top three or five perimeter defenders. Okay, so I'm gonna go Dennis Johnson. No, yes, no, but continue you sleep on. But that's the whole Dennis Johnson. Then it's Johnson as

a guard that is three blocks. Of course, I'm averaged. I'm averaged mine creef, I'm gonna bring in Fraser. He did didn't have a couple of titles, but he didn't, I mean, he didn't have a player as great at Scottie pipp Yeah, Willis Reid, Willis Read was the ship. And also and also they didn't give out defensive Player of the Year wards, so we don't actually know what some of these people would. I think Michael Cooper was the greatest, as great of a defensive guard that Scottie Pippen,

I mean, excuse me as Michael Jordan exactly. You know what they call it a Freudian slip. That's Freudian Scottie Pipper, Scott Pipper, not a perimeter to finish to say it, well, I'm just saying it's Scotti Pipper too, because he's one of the greatest perimeter fender. That's all I'm saying is, Yeah, put in respect on Coop name, showtime, respect on Michael Jordan if he if he how much more respect do we got to give him? And enough to not bad mouth him just because you want to sell some to

key less some liquor because you're broken. I'm a billionaire. How are we bad mouth for him to give him his fucking credit. He made his Hall of fame, and I or you and you didn't like me. That's that's a little bit you did. You should have game his on. You should have game his on. Fucking liquor. Scotty gotta walk past this nigga statue every day like he wasn't He ain't got no sketch they put. He retired. That's why you look. That's why you will never get another

fucking championship team there you un grateful as negro. I hope we win a championship this year so you can apologize. No, damn well, that ain't gonna happen. We're gonna get a championship the next five years. You will never win it again. This is the pipping curse. Until you make right, until you do right? What that what that lady say? How

does shi going? Uh? Color purple? Until you do right everything you say, Until you until Chicago as an organization and as a city and Michael Jordans do right by pipping, you will never smell another fucking ring again. Ever, the pipping curse. Put some respect on pipping that real ship. I'm not gonna say some real ship the future too. For that ship he did you ain't ship future? I was. I was real quick. I was at the party with Piper like about two months ago. I dope. I'm like, Yo,

that's really my dog pit white. This ship funny as hell talking to like regular niggas fo a m in the morning in the hills, I'm like, Yo, loss to go home, bro, that's why you can't wipe think Michael Jordan woman off doing that. Hell on all, I never said that. Look, I never said that. We never said Scotty made the best. Obviously Scotty didn't make the best business decisions. Obviously Scotty has not made some of the

best business desions in his life. But the nigga cahoo, he's not self and not any not any not selfish