Conversations About Mass Shootings

low glasses, Malone. Whatever he felt like bothered him, right, instead of being like, we have this thing in society where it's like, Okay, well you know she's a slut, you don't have to shame her or blah blah, it's like, well, if you don't want to be shamed for being a slut, or if you don't want to shame for, you know, be shamed for not being poor, right, that's when you have to dedicate all energies to not being outside of that, you know, you just playing yourself. Like my sister is

my older sister Sean till my older sister Joanna. They had a big problem with me being a gang banker, you know what I mean. And I always felt like they would tell their kids kind of deal with me in a certain way because I was a crypt You know, I am a crypt, so you know what I mean. I thought they may be in their minds that define me. But if I never got an attitude with them fitting like that, whatever they thought of it was what it was versus me, and I never decided I was gonna

not be it because of what they thought. If they can crypt shame me feel me being a fucking crypt. There's a lack of consensus on how to define a mass shooting. Most terms define a minimum of three or four victims of gun violence, not including the shooter, in a short period of time, although in Australia study from two thousand six prescribes a minimum of five and an added requirement that the victims actually die as opposed to

being shot injured but not necessarily killed. That's how defining a mass shooter and start up Pete that ship troubling to me, right, because at that point you would have to cover any military violence when they shoot up something in the town. That means you're not report knows. Well, those are a little bit different because unless it's a war crime, it's not really a crime, you know what I'm saying. But that's my thing, Like, it's not just

a crime. Like I think consensus as an as as a public, we all agree a mass shooting usually requires innocent victims to some degree. Yeah, Like hypothetically, let's say there are a lot of great examples of mass like police shooting is usually there's only like one or two. Actually like to say, like if the Waco thing, it wasn't like what however they botched and burned everybody up.

But if it was like twenty criminals hold up into some sort of up um like a bunker, and d FBI or whatever the hell law enforcement apparatus went in and cleared them out and they all died. Like, I don't know if I would consider that a mass shooting, because you could, I guess, But that's how I feel

about gang violence. When two gangs are beefing, you feel me and somebody when two gangs are at war, When two communities are at war, right, and they having their issues and they're setting it, they settling it primitively as poor people, and you know, as they do right and literally having their issues, and you know, this community goes over here and shoots five of those guys, I wouldn't like to consider that a mass shooting. I think there's a very pivotal adjective that could be added to that

term mass shooting. Random, Like if if there's a beef between gang and gang B and it's a calculated hit, even if it knocks out twenty, it's not random. Yeah, Um, But I think I think when they make it this open it they're using, it becomes conversation of things that are not related to sway a whole another political angle. Now, I'm not saying people in the community are not victims of gun violence, but all gun violence, again is not

the equivalent of mats shootings. Like what's going on between the sixties and families is nothing like what happened in Texas, you know a week or two ago, you know what I'm saying, Where that dude went to that elementary school and you know what that the eight year old man went to the elementary school and shot elementary gears. Yeah. Yeah, I think the main reason why what we see here

with the heightened focus of it, is the random element. Obviously, the majority of the corporate media apparatus is left leaning and is big, big time invested on on gun control legislation. If you know where deliberate gun violence happens, you can avoid it, so it's not that big a deal. You

just don't go there. If it's randomized, now all of a sudden, you know it involves any and everybody, meaning that gray area voter that would be possibly an independent type person, and you can say Okay, well, now is our opportunity. People are you know, are hysterical and whipped up in the moment to pass some massive sweeping a lot that on a sober mind, most people wouldn't otherwise go for mm hm no ceilings, glasses low a man.

Peter Boss in the spot, my manager and podcaster extraordinary uh big still should be joining us in a second. I agree, And you know, as far as when we're saying that, that's why I don't like it, because it feels like it's a political ploy to connected to this

random acts of violence. Like I've had this conversation with people that you know when people say senseless violence when they're talking about communities going to war, and it's like, I think that's different because you can't make sense out of it. By that same standard, we could say every war, the war between Ukraine and Russia is senseless violence. But

somebody or to two people or whatever, it may make sense. Now, don't get me wrong, because by that same standards you can say tell that little the little weirdo, the little weirdod man in texts that may says to him. Sure. I think a lot of that kind of centers around the the idea that the conversation I'll be I'm gonna

use very frank language on this. The rest of the reason why the large you know, aggregate numbers of urban black community crime statistics get lumped into this is because the push to try to take these randomized acts, which they are largely random, he has to do with gun control. So so an opposition viewpoint to that says, oh, well, if you look at aggregate gun violence, most of it's done by guns that are already illegal, so and and and then that muddies the conversation and the assess none

in the whole thing. It brings people into it, and it starts to instead of trying to define the gun, now you're defining the crime and you're defining the motive or defining the context everything that everything gets very blurry, everything with laying accountability on the actual perpetrator. So you start talking about the instruments and everything goes versus the that. Um,

I know we've had a conversation about gun control. Yeah, um, but I thought about this, Where would you stand right if there was a complete agreement right to some level of the masses, right, not the votes. But they say, hey, we want there to be no more guns in America, not the police, not anybody outside the military, you know, fighting off in wars. How would you feel about turning over your weapons at that point? I would laugh my

ass off. I would walk outside with a hammer and I would break my car window and take a self on picture of my broken window and say, my gun was in the car, was gonna go turn it? That's someone stole it? And it would be like apartment What is it that you think people feel the need of their gun for, Let's say, if nobody had a gun, Is it because you think somebody's always going to have a gun. It's part of that. It's part principle, it's

part so it's such a number of factors. I mean, I think if you look at the United States over the last two years, and you look at Australia over the last two years, you weren't allowed to go outside at night in Australia for like a year and a half. I don't think you're gonna be able to really do that so much in the States, you know, and like to be honest, the reason is we saw the cowardice of the you know, deployed law enforcement in this setting

with one guy right just last week. If if you had a federal man, no one in the country is allowed to go anywhere or do anything for the rest of this year and the rest of next year because of COVID, and then you sent out, you know, the dot dot dot county Sheriff's to go and force it against the really piste off people with real guns and real numbers. They're not gonna go over there and die for that. They'd punk out and the whole thing would unravel.

So what do you think about countries like Japan where guns are pretty much impossible to to have in the police don't carry guns. Japan is a unique element. Um. It is an island. It does have a you know that there are certain gifts and takes culturally between the US and and between Japan. UM. I would rather live in an environment where I might be a little bit at risk than live in what Shanghai is presently, um, where people are literally jumping out of buildings because of

starving death. They have been allowed to go outside of right shank as in China. But I'm miss saying as far as being able to provide some sort of defined second and pushed back over tyranny. You know. Additionally, we are a partially landlocked country with landlocked borders. There are I mean I read a study. There was a very

good study. The methodology was sound, so that there was approximately two thousand illegal guns a day that come up to the southern border, and this was during the Trum administration, which the southern border was tighter. That probably means it's close to a million illegal guns that enter the United States per year. That's a lot. So and that's with

no demand. If if if there were, if guns were really illegal, illegal like that, then the demand would spike, so the desire to fill that demand and price would spike as well. You see, more than that, it's we can't keep illegal anything out of this country. We can't keep illegal drugs out of this country. We can't keep illegal Louis Vattan phony and bags out of this country. We can't keep illegal farm workers and janitors at this country.

I mean, like, we can't keep anything out. So the idea that we're gonna suddenly magically snap a finger and keep guns out dumb and random mass shooters by and large, that ends three ways, life in prison, death in prison, or death on the scene. If those three things, don't attern you what a year or two in jail. Oh I'm down to get sprayed up by the cops and die here and now. But don't give me those eighteen months for the gun charge. Said nobody ever much crime?

Do you think? So, Lee? And we're on the you know, on the you know we're we're we're the day after of all of the school shootings. Do you really have a solution? Do you have a solution that you feel is valuable? I think best of viable solution is probably like for schools, is you know the security standards at schools. You know, I've heard some catch phrase is not not big on hashtag catch phrases where it's like we protect our banks more than to protect our schools. Well that's

actually true. Um. A guy that our follow. His name is Adam Calhoun. He's a rapper, the white guy, uh from the South somewhere. He was so no relation to cool Breeze and those calvinis no, no, no, no, no, this is super super American super nationalists. What I'm saying, um, dope, don't tie it to them. See I like him a lot. Um. But he had a point. He was saying like we protect our banks and everything else with men with guns, but not our schools. M hm. And I just I

think I get what he's saying. Um, I don't know, you know, morally, I guess, okay, So what it is is morally I want to feel like we should keep kids away from the concept of guns and so forth and so on. But then again, you know, if they're playing video games and certain things where guns are available. You know, if your kids go to the bank with their parents, if your kids go to the airport, if your kids go through any government building anywhere ever, they're

gonna see security guns. It's not crazy. If the police, if the if your kid sees a policemen passed by, that's a an authorized gentleman with the gun who's supposed to be, you know, fulfilling or protecting the peace. I mean, like, like, my mom's a vice principle in elementary school, so she has to coordinate the whole Every year, they have to train all the teachers for like the way we we would do used to earthquake drills members kids. They have

now mass shooting tutorials. But the police show up and they tell the teachers, well, there's two things you can do for a mass shooting. You can lock the doors and push your desk against the door, or you can run out into the grass. It's like, what are you shooting me? And that's all that they have available for their ideas, and that's the police department showing up and telling them that what's crazy is I was reading about mass shootings and in America, one of the oldest mass shootings,

right excuse me. A school shooting was November twelve, forty Charttesville, Virginia. Charles Philist for a long time with Day, a law professor at the University of Virginia, was shot by students Joseph Simmons and died three days later. Wow in the forties, eighteen forty, eighteen fifty, it was a school shooting in Louisville, Kentucky. In eighteen fifty six, it was a school shooting at eighteen fifty six in Florence, Alabama. M There was a

school shooting in Baltimore, Maryland. In the eighteen fifty eight h There was a school shooting in eighteen sixty and Ty County, Kentucky eighteen sixty four. At Ashland County, Ohio. In eighteen sixty seven right here in California, a town called nights Ferry that must have been the only school here.

They had one school and got shot up. Man, when you just think about and and that's what worthyes me right is I hear a lot of people talking about gun control, and California and New York have the strictest laws in all of the states. I'm not sure this is true, but I know they have really stratched away up there. There's there're slight yeah, Maryland's d C. Cook County, Illinois play you know, there's some spots that are comfortable, but they're very high I re used. In the last

ninety days, there were scooled. There were mass shootings in both places. Yep. And I was talking to my home girl, Shay that I grew up with, crossing from mom house in Comfon, and she was saying it was a band on assault rifles. Oh, you know, we need to ban assault rifles. Like, well, it's not even a thing. I don't think you really need a salt rifles. She like, well, the majority of the shootings happening with the salt rifles.

And I explained to her, I was like, well, the shooting in New York was done with a block seventeam a couple of old Well. Also, I think there was a handgun used in the subway shooting in New York as well. There were two in the state of New York recently. Yeah, yeah, there was. Oh yeah the one the racers shooting where the dude was a buffalo and he not gott all the those people. Yeah, yeah, that's tough, man,

what side side question like that? Okay, if the two things in New York was, and I'm asking, I'm not surmising, was the was the guy who the black dude like he might have been career I don't know if he was Africa, he was just American who shot up the subway. He had some sort of weird cause. Was he like some sort of like semi racist black nationalist kind of guy or was he just like a weirdough you know, I don't I don't know what is he he has. I'm kind of manifest of he was talking about homeless

people in America. Okay, some stuff I don't know. I didn't have a lot of tens. It would have been interesting. At the same state had dueling race driven mass shootings in the same month. Oh, I could imagine a black person shoot white people because a man, Oh my god, that boyfucker would make it out of nothing. Uh I turned himself into McDonald's at me all bad um. I was telling Sherry that and she what was weird is she was calling a fake shooting. She's like, that's a

fake mass shooting. I'm like the one where the black dude was shooting the people on the train states. I'm like, shared, motherfucker's actually got shot. I don't think it's actually cool to call that a fake shooting. What would be Why would it be fake? Like the gun fired and people were hit. I don't know what else he needed. I was like, motherfucker's got shot. What are you talking about? Like Dick and the motherfucker called it a fake mash

shooting through my fucking side. What a shoot? Joe, stupid as you call my fake That's like calling the third plane that went down on nine level in the field it was a fake plane crash or something. So you think the solution his arm guards at the school something like that. You have to go somewhere in that direction. I mean, all this other crap is comedic to me.

I mean, like to try to go after the the actor when you're when when you're that dedicated, when you're like, I'm whatever it is that torments you to that degree. If you're I am ready to die for this here and now dedicated, it doesn't matter. You know, it doesn't matter. You can't stop that because what are you gonna threaten the person with. They've laughed off all the threats because they said, the greatest thing you can give somebody is

I'm gonna kill you right now. If you if they've already totally blown that off, then you have nothing m hm. So you can't take it at that perspective. Additionally, like this, oh we're gonna do mental health background checks? How many people in this country have mental health problems that are not on paper. I literally was talking to my boys about that, and my note, I see a director, um that I really funk with two Dion, Um, what's dion last name? Because hold on, I'm gonna tell you what

dion last name is? Like this dude the shooter in Texas, for example, he had no cript. Yeah, I'm sorry. His name is uh Deon Taylor, super dope brother direct films. And he was saying that he was talking about like mental checks, and I'm like, dog my boy, Jay you and Manny was from Long Beach. They was like mental checks, and I'm like, bro, they're going to discriminate. And guess who're not gonna get it anytime you allow America to discriminate. For sure, black people is for sure not gonna be

getting ship. Yeah, it's gonna be black people in Republicans. Yeah, drip, that's also a bit. For sure, Nick is not getting shipped. So how like, how do you just define that anyway? Like so what so I after then go that Now you're opening the same conversation as to what my biggest beef with criminal justices, And that's the subjectivity of individual judges and individual jurisdictions. I'm gonna go to Dr A

and he's gonna say I'm crazy. And Joe Blow is gonna go to Dr B. He's gonna say his funky, weirdoh ass is perfectly fine, and he's gonna get a gun and I'm not. And I'm gonna go this is a miscarriage of the law. You can't it's asinine and on all. All I'm gonna do is be like to give me a goddamn burner. Than fuck it, he's fictitious. The doctor doesn't exist. I can't threaten someone that didn't exist.

I just think it's funny we live in a state or we live in a country, and it freess me out with people from the community where will like will acknowledge racism and oppression, everything else, all the bigotry, and we still will create eight some kind of support for people that want to make decisions for us that historically have shown that they are not in our favorite That is my biggest point of intellectual conflict with Black America.

So it's like my favorite thing about black and not my favorite thing, but like a thing that I respect a ton about like Black America in general, is the skepticism towards government and the critical thought. That's like the knee jerk reaction is critical thought. I think that's fantastic. But those those very same people will vote for expansive government oversight in the very same breath. And it's there's like a a conflict where those two things don't run parallel.

I it doesn't make sense to me. And and this is a great example because again you know, that's probably my biggest problem. And and and like you'll see people pressing the line like all this government is racism. They'll show you judges, you know, making funked up verdicts for

people are the same crime. You know, you know, obviously a bit of context, but you could just see in certain places where obviously this government is not necessarily in our favor, you know, and then they'll be mad at a person like Ted Crews who's like, you're not, like we're gonna keep these guns. And it's like it's almost weird, like like it blows me away where it's it's do you not think this government is an oppressive, racive regime? Do you not think you know these people are not?

Or are you just kind of shrink the cancer, shrink the cancer, or are you just convinced that is that Democrats are friendly? And then it's just like it's almost it's so weird because yeah, I don't think you nailed it. I don't know, man, that ship folks with me. And when I see this certain situation, you know, like like a school shooting right where motherfucker's is getting shot like kids, and like we're arguing about gun control, and I'm like,

you know, I said, somebody said, who's to blame? And I'm like, the asshole that went did it? Oh, you know, people got mental problems. And I'm like, yeah, but that's still an asshole that one did that. Like you could have went and did that ship to the bullies that was bullying you, the people that called you poor, and that would have been sucked up. But at least to some degree, you know, motherfucker's back. Well that was your bully, you know what I mean? That's the question over that.

That's That's what it is. How many fruit loops are there a skitter o downtown, like fifty thousand, hundred thousand. It's like the number of down there is crazy, maybe a couple hundred years. It's a ton of How many mass shootings are there down there? None? And I'm not saying it's because there's some sort of great infrastructure preventing

it from happening, because there isn't. There's not. I'm just simply saying that the mental health thing isn't that great of a defining factor, whereas you can a target mental health and think it's going to solve a problem, because you're again, I don't know what that really. That's such a broad man. Charlotte Mayne again, we talked about this last week or the week before. Yes, Charlotte May clashed so hard because I genuinely think like this becomes such

a broad conversation that's really no conversation at all. It becomes a conversation for society that you know, a society that really can you know, like a fourth therapy. Again, it's such a mainstream conversation to me that it really don't mean nothing, where like we're like, yeah, you know, get your mind together, like people chose to have their minds fucked up or yeah, like not chose how their minds.

But it's again, like I said, it's like telling the rape victim to see therapist, but they're getting raped again tonight for sure. And like so if you believe, you know, oppression and racism is a lot of casts to the problems to pour people in this country. You know what are we talking about? Like they could fix the problem theirselves.

Like I just don't get that. And it's the same when we start talking about you know, like I said, people have brought that up to me where they say, hey, man, you know, like we need to deal with mental health when it comes to shooting. You know, these school shooters, and I'm like, sorry, I don't know if that's as simple as a mentally unhealthy problem. It's like it's like saying a pedophile would be like mental health. I don't

think some of these things are mentally unhealthy. Some of these people are just fucking fine and in their mind they're wired in a way to do something that you know,

society will not ever agree or understand. Like, I don't think some of this ship is you know, a mistake like this ain't a slip up moment, Like it takes a lot to murder, you know, nineteen elementary school kids, Like you know what I'm saying, like mentally in your mind executed like you just stopped at the same like yeah, you're gonna stand it for You're gonna stand in front of that, you know, like the second kids you shot you down, these little kids, Like I don't know if

that's as simple as mentally unhealthy. I think some people are just wired incorrectly and like tough to catch them thousand percent. And the mental health thing, like like that whole ship is it's so vague and so broad and it's it it's not effective, you know, it's it's really not like there's people with defined mental health issues and family people of means who've been getting the best of help for a long time. You know how much positive impact I can point to in those processes? Zero? Yeah,

And that's what you know. Private money with public money, it's always less per head, so it's gonna be less. It's just it's not the answer like you want to know, like like even this is a fair it's this is a better parallel. I think a lot of people maybe might want to admit it face value. Kama Kaze air Force pilots for Imperials or Panic World War two, they were really really really hard to stop, right and it almost swung the outcome of the Pacific theater they got.

They started it so late that they couldn't capitalize on the momentum that it provided. Because if somebody is that dedicated to an outcome that they are willing to die for it before or you threatened death upon them, they are going to get it done. Period. You can see that with with with the hottest um bombers who are who are like suicide bombers. You can't stop them. What are you gonna threaten them with? You see it with

Kama Kazi palace. You see it with these people, if you've taken, if they have taken your greatest deterrent from you, you have no deterrent. You have to at that point have deterring force. I literally was explaining to somebody about gangs. Is like when your life don't have value, when you don't think you're like, you know, vialable to other human beings, family, your girl, like when you come from our communities. For me, life doesn't have the same value. If you don't value

your life, you won't value other people's life. I mean, and then and our community. It's tough because you are measured in way by what you have, you know what I'm saying. And old body got ship like it could be a poor motherfucker that lives Nick Jordan's. You gotta pair of Jordan's. You don't talk ship as he lived in Project Unit eleven oh two and you live in the level on one. But he got some Jordan's and they're going to make you feel bad because you don't

have these shoes in that community. So UM still to catch you up. The question I guess we want to ask, is um, all of these school shootings going on, do you actually have a viable solution that you believe. I don't think so. Um. And it's kind of ironic because that's what we talked about when she see yesterday we had an episode about that, and I'm saying, no, well, we all in the same thing, so you know anyway ship.

But but in all seriousness, Broke, I think that we have been programmed and condition as a people and all for communities, especially in the Black community, because we spend more money than any other group in the country Black, you know, African Americans spending way more money. We consume more content than anybody else. We look at all this stuff, right, and I think we've been conditioned to where our value. We we placed the value on our sales based on

what we have or what we don't have. Sure, and I think right now when we're looking at man, uh, I just saw it, um Instagram real this morning. There was a five year old boy talking to his teacher and he was saying, I want to be a murderer when I grow up. I saw that. I saw it.

That was awesome. And then the very next clip, I saw a kid that was at a gun show obviously, and he knew how to break down a K forty seven when he was four year five years old g and he was breaking it down and this girl was telling, No, that's so cute, that's so amazing. So you have two different spectrums, right You had white America who's starting to get piste off right now, they're piste off to the

point to where they're just doing the manyest things. Right then you have poor lack America right to where we are frustration. We may not go out and shoot everybody, but it gives us low self esteem and causes us to really devalue ourselves to where we don't hold no longer hold no value in ourselves because we may not have what the person next door I asked, and I think we have. That's the biggest problem we have in the community is that everybody bases their circumstances of what

somebody else is doing. You did what I'm saying that might be canceling humanity, Oh yeah, for sure. And if you want to go deeper, bro, I think the biggest issue we have in this country right now is actually, I mean, you are part of how we make our living. You know, the Internet, there's so much stuff, man, I think, Um, I was reading about um predicted programming, right, you know,

predicting programming. The human brain is a computer. And if you hear this with stuff stuff, if you hit the human brain consistently with just different images of violence, and everything in vincent becomes to sensitize you did what I'm saying, I don't know if we somebody asked me that, do not do I think I'm desensitized about violence, and I'm like, I think we are very difficult accusation of sports to make to you, how like to avoid violence as a

human being would almost be to not have a human experience, Like I think humanity has this really weird, you know, relationship with violence historically. Though here there was nothing text you off, bro, It's not predicted programming, it's predicted coding. In that theory is in neuroscience prediculating. Yeah, it's a theory of brain function in which the brain is constantly

generating and updating a mental model of the environment. So if you place this an environment sheet to where we comes to be showed if you're not sure, if you don't have that pair of Georgan's right, that's why you get people doing dump stuff like you have with the Arabic five year old, even some thirty year olds. They know they have their rent coming up in a few weeks. Oh man, if I pay this five dollars and be short of my rent, but they would go by those

five that five from Sorgans? Does that happen? That's also rooted in I argue. I debate this with women all the time, where it's like a lot of the decisions they make is based off how people see them, and that's a human being issued especial especially communities right where like you know, if you meant four universal budgets exactly, you give me a triple here today? You got still you come anywhere near me. I'm down with me all the way to the bottom of the pool with it

right here. But you you, you just start to you start to see like you just want people to not treat you poor, you know what I mean. And you'll wear whatever outfit. You know, you take the simplest solutions to to obtain that effect. You know what I'm saying, Like, Okay, if I wear this, this looks like I have some money. If I have this, this looks like I have some money. Versus the concept of having money. I always tell Joey Westside. This from the L. A. Johnson. I'm like, you know,

trying to look like is a verb. It requires energy and action. Feel me, energy It requires action, which requires energy. So instead of trying to look like a good person, be a good person, because being requires energy. So facing itty, you making it ours energy that comes away from making it. If you direct all energy into the actual, you know, the goal in itself is fine, you just won't get

that instant gratification of fooling another person. So even like in a situation where a little weird, they'll dude that killed the elementary schools and Texas because he had been bullied because he was poor or um, it looks like he was having some kind of he was wearing the skirts, so I don't even know where as well, Yeah, pressure he dealt with. I don't know quite what's going on, but they were. He seemed like a troubled kid based

off of his experiences. Um, whatever he felt like bothered him. Right, Instead of being like, we have this thing in society where it's like, Okay, well you know she's a slut, you don't have to shame her or blah blah, it's like, well, if you don't want to be shamed for being a slut, or if you don't want to shame for you know, be shamed for not being poor. Right, that's when you have to dedicate all energies to not being outside of that. You know, you just playing yourself. Like my sister is

my older sister Sean till my older sister Joanna. They had a big problem with me being a gang banker, you know what I mean? And I always felt like they would tell their kids kind of deal with me in a certain way because I was a crypt. You know, I am a crypt, so you know what I mean. I thought they may be in their minds that define me. But if I never got an attitude with them fitting like that, whatever they thought of it was what it was versus me, and I never decided I was gonna

not be it because of what they thought. If they can crypt shame me, feel me business being a fucking crypt. I just don't make no sense. If you could crypt shame me, that means I have no business being a crip. If somebody could fat shame you, you have no business being fat. Yeah, you know, Kanye said the best in this song all falls down, We're all caught up in brands. Were all kind up. We all want to be accepted.

You understand. I wanted to pick up Jazzing from school other day, and she had caught me because it's something that she forgot. I was actually doing her Nobody chronic, Yeah, I was actually doing what is because don't nobody know your kids like I'm sure the Gangster Chronicles audios know your children. No, I don't talk about them on there for interrupting me, to kind of interrupt me if I go with my story, Mr, make sure I want you

to who the Jasmine? Jasmine? Yeah? So legal age. Now if I ever mentioned that Jazzmine, it's not the same person, just as why I right? Yeah, So I wanted to pick her up from school, and so I get a text message from Maria ten minutes later. Why would you go up to Jazzmine school just looking at some kind of way and it's like I had a T shirt or some short Soon she called me, I was right

around the corner. I wouldn't go go home and put on this free piece suit and come back to the school to get, you know, to pick her up, because she forgot her book. He wasn't fresh enough to pick her up, but she was really like she just looked like she was just like, because we're all conscious of what our friends think of us. We're talking there from

a young age. We're talking when you go to school with some shoes on, and you always got that one kid that seemed like he has every pair of shoes, he got the latest jeans, he got the latest T shirt or whatever. Right you go to school and that same dude is cracking on you and bagging on you talking about your shoes or whatever. It makes you feel some kind of way. So she basically said to you, look, dad, if you're gonna come through looking like that, I'll just

drop out. Dude, I can't. I can't go to seven and eleven without my wife and my daughter telling me put something on you. I'm going to the store to get something. I'm not going out here to to please nobody. I'm not going out there because they're super duper insecure and self conscious of what other people think. Um, and we're not like like, even growing up, I wasn't trying to convince anybody of anything like I was what I was. And I think it's because I could be thankful for

my upbringing with my mom and my pops in good bar. So, um, I think that's a normal problem when you're dealing with the the traumas that poverty can bring. You know what I'm saying. And that's that's true ist ship in my neighborhood too. Huh. That that is so like, it's so beyond obnoxious you wouldn't even believe it. I have I have white friends. Obviously Peter you one of them. But I have white friends, and I see it all the time. Then moved the cause of the code code to the cousin.

You know, they don't love people like me up there, but they move somewhere where they really can't afford to be m just to keep up appearances. They would drive a car that they can't afford just to keep up appearances. And the funny thing about it is the guy that can act your four that stuff he made it. Have the house, but he drives around the f one. Hey, my dad drives in that for the fifty. Most rich people do drive one fifties. I've noticed they don't because

they don't care change, get you. Most rich people that I know are not trying to convince you they are rich exactly, and speaks for itself, you know at one point, like I look at my financial situation. Not that it's bad right now, but it could have been a lot better. Um. I keep a record of all, you know, my transaction stuff, not just keep stuff. And now what's going through with the other dicks. Mario's actually making me clean the closet. That's my wife by the way, Um, that's his wife.

So I'm in the closet looking at it. Gen do you know it's between two thousand and four and two thousand and seven, all right, made one point two million dollars. Now that wasn't all my money. That was what I gross. You know, I had to shift, you know, not before taxis before I had to share with certain people, like with Polar Bear, you know what I mean. It's scared. But I looked at it and I received a dick from this new company. It was called, um red Box.

I received the deck because when you start putting so much money in the bank, you start getting hit up by different people, right, they send you different stuff, you know, for investment opportunities, to invession things. I saw that thing with Red Box, and I said, who the hell is gon? Go rent movies from a thing outside me, no body, this is ridiculous. I threw it in the trash. Now, let's say, g I would have invested maybe fifty thousands

of that hundred thousand. How much money would I have? Now? How long you held it? You know? Now you had that safe loan that motherfunck about three months a year four years ago. Well, you know, red boxes cracking for a minute. But I'm just saying, you know, doing all that I could have, you know, made a substantial amount

of money on my investment. Right. I also had an opportunity to fly laundry Matt and I remember going to go to meet the guy, and I I was meeting with him because he was actually a guy knew he knew me and my wife from when we were staying in this apartment, right, And we used to go to that laundry man. And he saw me one day at a store outside and let me say, hey, man, a long time, don't see And he said, it looks like you're doing well and yourself, I said, what you up do?

He said, I'm a seller shop. Are you interested? You know? I see how much you want for it? He told me The cost, said would have been sixty thousand dollars. He said, you know, after you pay for everything, you're gonna make about four grand a month. And at that time my mind I was such a such a yeah, I was in such a heathen mind state that I didn't think about business. You know, I didn't think, well,

that all the costs. If I'm bringing in four thousand, I paid for everything a year and a half, your money back. But the thing that's yeah, that's that's that's a oh, I that's pretty freaking strong. Yeah. So you know, me thinking about at the time I was making so much money, me and four thousand dollars, I'm not wasting my time, And that would have been something that would have really set us up for our retirement. Is something I could have passed down to our children because I

would have been had paid for. Right now, they're still very busy, still a very busy business. So I think about those opportunities I've missed because you know what I did invest heavily in and at Cadillac Escalades, Mercedes Beings, this um. You know a whole number of vehicles which I don't personally have. Jewry I can't find I remember the way, can't find no, you know. But you know what I mean, This is an expression. We're doing a podcast. We're going to do a treasure hunt and steals backyard.

It would be like the ghost Hunter project, but we're gonna do a Treasure Hunter podcast back yard. I didn't actually lose those cars. I just got rid of the eventually, right. But you know the thing he was Actually I did have a car that I let somebody borrow. They had that car for two years, and I do but they had it for two years because I just didn't care. Man, I don't want that ship. It was an expedition, the old expedition I had, right, man, take that ship. I

don't care about it. Because when you're young and you're not thinking, it's like you know what they say, you know, you was wasting on the young. The whole thing else when you're young, you're making money is nothing checked next month. I remember one time I went and blew forty dollars dude, I want to bost the rims I want, and bought me this dumbass big steel chain. It was just all

kinds of stuff. Now it just wasn't worth it. But what I'm saying I have to say is this, we are so not conditioned bro to do the right things. And we worry about we worry about bullshit pretty much. That that's it. Just it's tough again. Like I said, if you believe in oppression and racism, then it makes sense. And that's what I tell most the black elite and responsible the black elite, like yourself or you know jay Z or Snoop or don't got me in the category.

You are part of the black right. You're still part of that one percent, right, And I don't feel like ten percent ten percent right now one percent. I just played with you. What I'm saying is you can't believe in oppression and not understand how it's going to affect people and why they make these decisions. That you're ready to convince yourself and say racism and oppression doesn't exist anymore, then you have to also account for the fallout that's

gonna be happening. It's like being mad at the people in Nagasaki in nineteen six s eight, Like, oh, your kids still growing extra toes. It's like, Nick, it was a bomb. It was a nuclear bomb dropped, you know in this place. And then there's a fallout, right, and and it's yes, it's not exactly the same situations as seven, right, but then there's still a radiation and a nuclear fallout that's happening in the sixties and the seventies and the

eighties after. So if you believe that type of nuclear bomb that you know, slavery and oppression and racism is right, all these things that pun your minda when you gotta make room for the fallout, for the extra toes and the extra fingers and the weird legs and a triple breasts, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, you know, really account

for that. And that's just an important part. But even with the conversation we have in now where it's like we live in this weird society again where more people are punching bags, you know, in America, and you want to hear something really interesting and poor people punch on poor people. Yeah, you want to hear something that And that's a mentality, g because you want to hear something

really interesting. When I was making that money, my wife told me we should save it, and I thought she actually got mad at her one day, saved for what do this the way you're talking about, Maria. When I first when I wanted to go first purchase at home. Still when I first wanted to go purchase at home eighteen years ago, right, yeah, I wanted to buy this eight bedroom house that was inter Mexingla. It was nice. It was nice, you know, pulling the backyard, how many

planning on having just you know what? That was the thing. I just wanted it because it looked nice. You know. All I could picture was me just showing up to people like, this is my this is my larry, this is my spot. You know what my wife told me, She said, first of all, this two far and can we get something a little bit more conservative in case, like, you know, I just want in case what you're doing right now stops working. I want to still be able to maintain the home that we had. So we wound

up buying the townhouse. And I was mad at her for the longest, like, oh, we could have had something bigger. You know. Eventually would happen a lot of those friends, and that was the time they were giving everybody home loans. Everybody, if you had a post she was gonna get a loan for a million dollars to go by house. Right yeah, So all of my friends, nothing embarrassed, nobody all of my friends eventually wound up losing their homes. I was

the only one to have mine. So I looked at my wife, and so from that point only, I always listened to my wife in regards to finances because where she comes from. My wife is from Mexico, so they're used to really being poor there, used to eating beings and tortillas every night. So she comes from a certain day that she values money. Man, what the hell, you're just such a nationalist. That don't mean she from the jail, means she from the poor people. I'm know my in laws.

She come on, I'm not talking about it. What what what background they come from? No, I said from the background that she comes from. She comes from a poor family. She comes from a poor found. I'm talking about my wife. I'm not talking about nobody else. I don't know what nobody else's background is. I'm talking about my spouts. But she comes from my background to where they respect money. They have a really high respect for money. My wife, we were in a wife and she had six thousand

dollars in her first spending money. When I tell you that, it was like pulling a man cold cover to have her buy something Hey, they got these playing that, let's buy one o those the twenty We don't need to get that. We can go to the store and buy this and do this. I said, By the time we do all that, we could have been you know, we could have just drump the thing had been done with it. But I think it's how we raised so But but it goes into that same fallout of that that that

oppression atomic bomb. I mean, that's how we see things here and and back to the you know, back to what many people is talking about, like what do you do when the kid takes being poor that way and tort you know, And I'm not gonna keep calling him a kid because I don't believe eighteen people are kids, Like I think modern society makes people kids and ship,

but you ain't no kid. The older I think I think they show I think children today show us they are more then in intellectually capable of having a lot more responsibilities in the real world, and we allow them to squander it off for me on video games and social media, ship and bullshit, you know what I'm saying.

So yeah, but but I'm saying so but I think that's also the same social conditioning that allows you as a parent to treat your your your seventeen and eighteen the ninety year old like their children, and they're not. We're just we're just keeping them children longer for whatever

silly reasons. Society is telling us to versus making the motherfucker's get jobs and have some responsibilities and things to do and not so much time on their hand to sit on the phone and find people to compare themselves too. There's a whole massive intellectual movement defining the like quote unquote like impact of society by the socialized prolonged adolescents, you know, theory so to speak. Yeah, a lot. There's a lot of think tanks that are all what's the key,

you know, I mean conversations about a kid? Because I think children are I think what we call children are showing you when they finally start being like they think they can make their own decision, you need a fucking job. Yeah. And it's a slighting scale. It's like, what I expecting nineteen year old to have a really sound and astute understanding of the ramifications of spending money versus investing money

in passive income? No, O, what I expect a nineteen year old to understand the difference between playing a video game and shooting real human beings at the store. Yes, I think that's reasonable, But after nine years, I think that's not even I think that's so rare in the grand scale of people doing all these things or mass shootings confusion, I think it's not impossible. There are some

really retarding for the fucking pete. That's that's that's that's a that's because they got rad That's not the grand scale of the conversation. So I'm not a um. But what I am saying is, you know, um, because this person his family said the excuse was, you know, I'm poor and people tormented me and this that and the third is that really is that really? Like? What do like, what would a psychologists tell a poor person if we're

gonna we're gonna relate that to mental health? Like right, people t in him because he was poor or blah blah blah, if that's really a mental health issue. What I'm saying the similar is that what what would a

psychologists tell a poor person how to deal with being poor? Well, first of all, being poor is just a constructing itself, because you don't know you poor until you see some nicer ship like I didn't know I was going that's my but I feel like that, like I said, I was talking about I was talking to women about that before, where I was explaining to them, like some girl telling me she got, you know, a bood job because she felt like her titties was you know, lopsided or one

was bigger than other. And I'm like, well, who titties were you comparing them to? Like that's the problem to me. They're not being honest, like everything through the embarrassing and what the hardest thing for human beings to do is get out of the habit of comparing. I'm not saying don't acknowledge human beings, right, I acknowledge them, but I

don't compare them like you mean. It's like, as much as we're that basic social Darwinism, I mean, like that's basic social Darwinist if the principle behind evolutionist comparing, that's a very tall order, you know, I mean, and I don't mean just in fucking humans, I mean in any species that evolves, which is all of them. Comparing is what it is. But you know what it is. At first, I want to say this, she left see it's hard. See, when you don't have children, you're free of that fund,

that that fund that I hate. I don't hate it, don't get me wrong, but I wish I couldn't give a funk. Sometimes I wish I could just be like you on your own, but just go bother you. You go think about it. It's like sometimes I think, like when my kids they do something right, and I want to sit back and just sometimes I've learned as a parent as I got older, to let them go through it, because when you come to somebody's rescue all the time,

you're really not doing them no favors. Well, but this is the thing I'm not saying a parent like those parents of that weird old dude that shot the elementary kids, I'm not saying the decision is to abandon them. But I'm telling you, if you're old enough to realize you're poor, you're old enough to get a job. Yeah, for real, for real, don't you realize you if you realize that you're old enough to sell newspapers, you owe enough to do a thousand things. Now, I'm not saying I'm be upset.

You know all my children, right, everyone me coming from your kids all your kids could have jobs at thirteen. I just jump right off real. I mean, all my kids hustle. Maria, here you are coming in one second. The thing is what my keys. Du Jasmine does nails, my daughter does nils. Christopher clean shoes. That was his thing. I told them all. I preached entrepreneurialism to my kids, right, I said, find something that you like doing, that you're

good at, and make money like that. I never preached necessarily job thing what I told them, And when I'm saying, you know, but listen what I'm saying, get a job until you could do what you want that fine. He's been with the fire department, he's been doing this thing like that. And all your kids have their own successes and success stories. We ain't got to go through them individually.

I'm just saying, I think even in these conversations where we're talking about, you know, the type of mind and social the type of mind and how society breeds mass shooters, I think it's because there's some space right where somebody was allowed to just complain exactly now, whether they complained out loud, I don't always think the solution is complaining

to a therapist. I think, Yeah, I think there's a space where it's like, you know, like when you come from our community and you realize you poor, you know what you do still you get a sack exactly, and you can get some money. That's that's whatever the most convenient way to not to not not have money, you find a way to make sure you have money. So

again that's the point I'm making it. It's like, um, just just trying to figure out where we're going with all of these mass shootings in the rough, comparisons and and and and the value in you know what I'm saying. It's crazy how we looked it all around into you know, these conversations of economics, because they do end up here. Somehow, it always been up here, you know. I mean, if it's a white man shoot back to me, maybe he

feels like Nika stole their jobs. Like it's always kind of the same space or where you said at you know, to some degree. I mean every now and you've got the Vegas dude, who just it was just Saturday. I don't think for some people there's no round reasons. Some people are just looking And that's what I was telling right to believe as a society. I think it's right to really say, like, Okay, I want to do something, but to believe there's always something you can do, you know,

might be unrealistic. Yeah, and that's a great point that defines the entire narrative. I mean, really, people are so uncomfortable with the idea that they might not be able to have control over an outcome that could be adverted to them, that they spazz out just to the thought of it. Good looking out for tuning into the No Sellers podcast. Please do us a favorite, subscribe, rate, comments, share. This episode was recorded right here on the West coast of the USA and produced by my homeboy A King

for the Black Effect Podcast Network and I Heart Radio. Yeah.