Conversations About Illegal Immigration

fantastic It's guy, that's my man. That's my man right there. Okay, So is it the fact that California is liberal that they tend to make the proud white man the villain? Ore? Is it because history shows that, Like I noticed, how the media covers Ryan de Santis in California is totally different than I would imagine people in Florida phil about him. Totally. I mean, Rhonda Santis is basically the champion for the anti you know, machine movement. I mean he was. He

was anti COVID lockdowns, he was anti vaccine mandates. He's anti I mean this case. He's on the news because he's sending along with the governor of Texas, you know, open border illegal immigrant residents up to places where the people who vote for all of them, you know, live, which has led to some great sound by It's including maybe the mayor of d C or Chicago, somebody up there saying, oh, it's a tremendous strain on our resources.

We don't we're not equipped for this, like the border towns are what border town is equipped for that, it is Laredo equipped to take on people in a in a month. I am not going to lie. I find that ship hilarious. Else it's captivating the fucking the fucking governor of Texas and the governor of fucking Florida taking people that illegally enter the country in busses and planes and ship and flying them and driving them to the states that act like they are pro you know that

they are pro uh prop borders. It's it's easy to be pro open borders and massach us. It's I'm a little bit you're afraid of a bunch of Canadians coming down with all their syrup and weird accents. No Canada border is so tight they like you is not crossing

over this ship Jesus, dude, it's crazy. I talked to two Cuban guys in an eight day period who both had family here that wired them ten thousand dollars each so they could go from Cuba to Nicaragua, through Honduras, through Guatemala to link up with a cartel team at the border of Mexico and gaut and Mexico and Guatemala. And they got trafficked by a cartel team all the way to the San Diego Tijuana porta entry, both of them,

one in June, one in August. Both of them went through San Diego all the way to San Francisco, where they were able to have a flight flight from San Francisco to Florida, same exact track, same exact um trafficking apparatus through Mexico and they and they had nothing bad to say about Nicaragua, Honduras and Guatemala and everything bad to say about Mexico. They said, every rumor you here is true times ten. Because I asked on the second guy,

I'm like, I'm just gonna ask. These guys are cool because they were just trying to learn English, so so like there's certain words that they don't know, like the little serious. I'm like, well, like the NEOs, They're like, yeah, oh you know Spanish. I don't know Spanish. I know a few words. Yeah, and they were like, oh, Mexico is like um, and they're like trying to around like

Poro Bardio like so they do that. But I was like, let me, are they really are they really like raping these girls all over the place and they go, oh yeah. I'm like what I would like that. I don't want to be that, you know what. I yeah. They was like score down. Um. He didn't say like he was the guy is being moved up. To be clear, aren't the ones doing it? It's the guys. It's like cattle hurters like you have ever seen the movie See Slickers. It's it's like it'd be like the old cowboy guy,

but it's they're not moving cattle. They moving people. Mm hmmm. Why aren't they dropping off the bus filled with people to California. They are. California just doesn't complain about it. I mean like, if you go to parts of the Central Valley and like the west Lake District and spots like that, it's just packed out with people. But California is content to let them be there and just take the federal funding as they can get it. Mm hm, who is the governor of Texas? For guys, the guy

in the wheelchair? I forgot his name. I really like,

that's it hilarious. You know what's funny? Policies politics hasn't been this entertaining in a long time, ever since Trump came and then since it's been in there taining it has been I like how I mean, like God, Like, you could go to a certain school district in California that have more illegal residents within the you know, the the zip code of the school district, and you get less than that, and some of these things they declared a state of emergency, like to city in New York,

which has ten million people, the clear state of emergency. Funny because I've seen that the earlier news report you're talk about. It was like, yeah, it's all these people is going against all and that we don't have enough resources. And I was thinking to myself, like, yeah, you are a country. That's okay, So here here's a better question.

Here's a better question. Okay, Now I'm not quite sure this is more of your expertise, because so I'm I'm gonna speaking just from what I knew or what I've heard. So the whole idea of America, right was built on to some level of illegal immigration, right, Like, that's part of the idea, person, I mean, if you want to consider it depends on how you define boundaries, like people coming from the Old Country coming through the eastern border

of the United States. True, that was really only true for a small period of time, and the broader scope because by the early twentieth century, like once like the Italians and the Southern Medicrans started coming through. They came through in big, big, big numbers, illegally at first, and then they cut it off pretty quick. That that's when they established the laws. We had to come through Ellis Island and register, and there was a cap and a

quota cap. There's been for over a hundred years. M there's been a quota cap for like over a hundred years, I believe, of how many people that should be able to come from the Old Country to this, yeah, like per country, and the total and how the total number we allow and will be divvied up in that kind of thing. Mm hmmm. So is it the model that America created to build his country? Is it not sustainable.

It depends. I mean, like you scale matters, you know, Um, there's to me the real Like if you ask my personal opinion, the issue isn't the people. The issue is There's also been a lot of policy changes along the way with various things like if you if you was asked me, do you want fifty million illegal umorists moving here? Sure? But everybody is now entitled to all these various government

programs that cost money. So in eighteen ninety if Billy Oh O'Malley or whoever from Ireland, yeah, if he came through where a German guy came through, they didn't get dick. They just got to be here, you know, which is true? I heard, I heard a lot of people are a lot of people from the Old Country got land at a certain time there was land rushes and stuff like that, but a lot of people died on the land and died on their way trying to get there. You know.

So just because like if you dumped me out in the middle of South Dakota with ten acres, I'm gonna die. Sure, because you don't know how to do all of this stuff that needs to be done to build to land. And even if I knew if you just dumped me off their flat ass broke, I'm not gonna be able to have the means to do it, you know. Like like my great grandparents from southern Italy. They were teenagers

there I think we're fourteen fifteen. Their families put them on a boat and said see it by themselves, and they met each other on the boat and got married. Um Reggio, Calabria and Sicily like a small town outside of Palermo. So like the mafia towns. Why do people Why would somebody from Sicily send somebody to America? Oh, I mean if you look at at the time, what a ship show it'll well. I mean that's like the poor region of Italy. But Italy was such it was, Yeah,

it was such a dilapidated mess. I think of how dilapidated a Messa country has to be to pursue Mussolini. Those aren't the best of times, No sailors, Gail, my boy, Peter, we're in here talking that talk. So DESI for the desight for the mentally weak. So if you're mentally weak, if you don't have enough fortitude to think, if you don't have time to think, if you're watching your children. If you getting caught up in sports of the New Dahmer program on Netflix, this might be a little bit

too much for you. So can I stay yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, So this is one of those conversations. Um okay. So Italy at that point had to be a ship show, right,

most European countries total ship show. Okay, So the first let's let's let's let's let's let's back back a little bit right to the beginning of this motherfucker right too, as people start coming over here, which is the four hundreds, right, four hundred, fifteen hundreds, I think there was trace in the fifteen in the sixteen it was you know, an

accelerating scale, right. So the first people that came to establish I think Plymouth Rock was in the fifteen hundreds, and that was like the first person on continental United States. You said, oh, it's like Plymouth Rock and like the Pilgrims that was like fifteen hundreds. That was like you know, first white phone, yeah, or the earliest white phone. Yeah. In theory. Okay, so when they illegally immigrated to this, I'm sure that the native people at law. So when

they illegally immigrated here, right. Um. A lot of the people that came here, right, came because they were under Okay, now this is again this is loose because I'm aware of history, but I'm really and there's I'm conus of how I accept how people tell me stories. I know the winners, like when I look at it, like the n w A movie. I'm really conscious of how the story is told because the winners are telling the story. Yeah,

gang Cub being the winners. Um, just like America. So throughout you know, history classes, I've always been conscious like, okay, the winners are telling the story. So I always listened to both sides of the stories as much as I can get and start trying to figure out in the middle which actually makes sense. So the rule in England was super oppressive at the time, just to stop. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty like they was enslaving you but you couldn't

get ahead. Yeah yeah, I mean like Europe has always been. And we talked about that, like I looked up at death. I remember of several episodes back talked about um serfdom and the feudal system. Remember the definition of it was you had a lord who owned the land. This is such this. This is some slick ass white people ship here. This definition is good. This is Clintonian. This is Bill Clinton ducking that blowjob type slick Biden and the printedtor

super predators. Uha. It was the land is owned by the lord, and the people are owned by the land. The people are the property of the land. So it wasn't I own the people, it was I own the land and the people there are the property of the land. So if you're staying here your mind not technically yes,

but yes, absolute degree of street type degree. Okay, So you saw that in the beginning of that was playing out pretty decently in the beginning of the movie Braveheart where the lord comes and knocks down the guy's wife and this is my girl. Oh this you're what? No, she's my I on this land and yeah, you're my subject. That was ill. So I can see why England got mad because it was like, oh you motherfucker, that was sup.

The Irish people hard so moving forward, Um, so they were leaving so they said, okay, So then that that means in theory they had to escape the rule. I'm not sure how much it was like Cuba, like escaping Cuba, not a slave escaping a plantation, right, not a slave. And this is also like slightly post Magna carta. So you're in a bit of a transitional period. It's it's not like the year thousand, it's like the year fifteen hundred. So it's you're escaping like religious persecution and a shitty

economy and a lot of stuff like anything. Any yeah, reasonable sense of oppression. Yeah, and but yeah, but like when you look at you were free to leave. You just couldn't really pull it off very easily. It's not like Cuba or they don't want you to leave, like, but you can't leave, yeah, which is why I said escape lightly, not escape, but escaped lightly. You you get on this boat to America, whatever they charge you, you're gonna come to this free land. You know, you come

into this land. And then when you get to this land, right, it's still so underdeveloped, right, so they still have the power to tax you from over there. Yes, yes, so like you were here, and that was largely because I mean if you look at and and here's a couple of things that I here discussed, like the idea that oh, if European columnists didn't take over North America, then these people from Central America could move up to North America

and whatever else anyway, which is not true. Um, the reason why Spain was able to conquered the Aztecs like Aztec hegemony was enormous, you know. I mean they had taken over like half of North America. They had every advantage in numbers and force and whatever you could think of. England gets a hard deal France, Spain did the exact same thing. And and and the Dutch that the big footprint England drove them out. New York was New Amsterdam

before it was New York. Oh was New Incident. And the Ducks don't get enough slander for being a huge central part of the slave trade because if you start talking, they start dancing in those wooden clocks and they just drowned your right on out, or they or they fly you to the red light district and have the prostitutes in the weed problems. Brother, for sure, we forget that we were picking you up from Africa and sell you all over to the Western region. And they're also smart

because their country kind of has two names. Are they the Netherlands? Are they Holland? If it's good news, they're the Netherlands. If it's bad news, they're Holland. Fuck it, it's pretty slick. I mean, I'm in, I'm in. So those European countries, I like to call them Western, the west coast of Europe. Yeah, you know, to sub degree, were like these super aggressive you know. Uh, I'm trying.

They were the maritime economies, so they were tres economies, were heavily involved with oceanic trade, and that led to them expanding on the reach of their economics capacity. Know that New York was originally New Amsterdam, but most people don't realize New York is not one word. It's the New York England. It's York England. Yeah, maybe like New Yorkshire or something. You know, it's York England, New York England. So it's the New York. Uh. England is the New England.

Uh Hampshire or Hampshire is Hampshire England. So like Edward, they want to rename it, like, well, this is the better version of York. Yeah, I'm not sure Albuquerque is a better version of Mexico, though I think New Mexico some marketing cree card Monty there. They for sure did not get that right. But um, and you kind of saw the same thing play out with like the the French and Indian wars that you saw with like Spain

and the Aztecs. I mean, the Aztecs were brutalizing like tons of tribes, and they were pretty arcane in the way that they would go about that they would conquer and sacrifice people. So in Spain and a very limited force rolled up and said, hey, we kind of have enough to like funk with these guys. You want to get rid of these Aztecs. And they're like, yeah, we're tired of getting burned at the steak and our heads lopped off shore. So they united tons of tribes to

work with them to fight against the Aztecs. And Aztecs are pretty brutal, so it wasn't yeah so easy. As like Indian nations were established, they fought each other. You couldn't sure, I mean any any time those nations. They don't matter whether the exact same or completely different, they're going to find people just I mean, whether you believe in and and you know, if you're into the Bible, Adam and Eve kids were squabbling and somebody got knocked off. Yeah,

human beings if it's too. They're gonna fight, have to escape people one, he's going to fight itself. Yeah, okay, so now so now so now they're illegally immigrating into this new land, right and it's people here establishing in theory the same thing that was established in England ahead of time. Um, railroad systems. Oh yeah, yeah, they're bringing Western technology, all the same things that create the wealth.

Mhm um. So they illegally immigrated. So England is the first group of Western European West coast European folks that came to America at at at at a high pain, not not completely because I think Spain Christopher Columbus, he gets a lot of slacking. I think, right, no, he's he's he He was Italian, but Italy didn't want to front of the money, so Spain started fronting Italian seafarers like Magellan and Columbus and guys like that. Okay, so who is the first? Who was the first mass grove

of people coming to the New Land? Do we know that to be true? It was really it was all those countries, um, because I noticed the English were super prejudiced to a lot of Irish people, initially Italian people Initially, I don't think the French ever came and grows. Yeah they did, they did. I mean I think they were around the first time when everybody was coming to discover because I know the French has some kind of locked on. French Canada had Louisiana. They had that, but they also

had French Canada. Yeah, so so the top part of where we're at. But outside of Louisiana, I guess they did come and grow. That's why they was able to. They were both because they had Haiti, they had a lot of those islands, Martinique, all those places in the Caribbean. They had New Orleans and all that. But they also I think that happened probably be a little bit later or man, I don't know, I'm not sure. Don't quote

me on that, don't qute me on that. But they also they were you know, um, you know, like like Montreal. I mean that's that whole region French Canada has been there since. I think like, yeah, yeah, my homeboys, a lot of my homeboys beak frieze. A lot of the

boxers that are life in Canada speak freeze. Um. Did the Spanish ever come in huge grows illegally yeah, I know that, like down here, they're like, who's the because Pons de Leon came up they they went down they were they were like like Ponce de Leon in Florida. There's still you know, even like in Jamaica, like Spanish Town, Utos, Riosty had all those islands. They came to Mexico with the Catholics and the Conkys to doors and then they

were all through South America, Central America. They went that way, and then Portugal went and grabbed Brazil. Okay, so yeah, I know they went down further. For sure, they went to the southern part of the western parts of the land. What I'm saying, so in in America they came for sure, they had to be in Florida. That's true. They had to be in Florida if they came from that way. Um,

so they came from Florida. Okay, that makes sense. So then how did England I feel like it had ownership over the illegal immigrants that came here from England when it was so it had to be they had to be the most because they were super oppressive. I heard the English people who I read the English people were super oppressive over Irish and Italian people that were here in like the hundreds or sixteen seventeen, even up to low key to the eighteen hundreds, the average English and

that was in America. I heard Irish people in Italian people got the stick. Yeah, Irish people were not looked at very well. Italians were looked at worse. I mean it was Italians were kind of like the like what you see now with black people at like bar districts. I know for sure they would call them Irish niggers. Yeah, like the Patti wagon was a big wagon that they would pull up to Irish bars and rest all the guys when they were leaving drunk. Yeah. But I remember

watching Gangs of New York. I remember watching Gangs in New York and how oppressive they were in that movie. So I've read it, you know, for years, and then they had a film talking about it. And those people were coming to the US. They weren't coming to like like the established US. They weren't really coming in in the colonial establishment period. So it's a couple hundred year distinction. Yeah,

this is early. Yeah, but I know that to some degree, the at least immigrants from English had to feel the illegal immigrants from England had to have some kind of feel like they had claim over this. Yeah, they did, I mean, and I think that they felt that way because you would get essentially, if not for any of the reason, it was a it was an area that

was being fought for. So you had English people who were there who had good relationships with the old country to some degree, and there'd be French people there, and then the French would try to probably or Dutch or whoever else would try to you know, push them over, and the next thing you know, there would be a

fight for territory and the English. One. English were pretty prolific militarily at that time, and they just don't even the rejects, the legal immigrants that came here because to some degree they had to have some kind of business going with England. Still, there was there was a time lapse between Revolutionary War seventeen seventy, right, Yeah, but there was like between like the early like Pilgrims, I think we're kind of almost like quakery type of people. But

after that m it wasn't just people escaping that. It was like I think, I think Spain, to be honest, I believe started to capitalize on on being here and once you see commerce, now you see a commodity, so then you so then you send a military sees it. Mmm. So when that happened, you start getting people who are over there to make money, and now you need to secure your trade lines and you just secure your assets mm hm. And I think that was that was like

the turning point. Pning was just they were just better at that stuff in the other countries at that time. Okay, So at which phase would America had noticed that they were starting to take into it? At which phase would the Mottel start to be questioned? How early? What aspect of the what do you mean? Questions? Like every last time? Sure, let's go ethnically at that point, because every last time, whoever was here complained about people sending more people here,

like I read about it in certain books. And then you know again like when the English people they would be super oppressive when the Irish people would come, and then the Irish people felt that more claim than the Italian people because I think the Irish people came and grows before the Italian people, right, Yeah, the Italian people

had to be the last people. They were like early twentieth century and Irish and German people came like the latter half of the nineteenth century exactly, like one thing on the time of your grandparents came. Yeah, it came in like the twenties something like that. That had to be the migrating, the Great migration for sure, if Italy had one coming into this country. Oh yeah, that was like that. The teens in twenties was when the moms started. Yeah late team would have been early, but that had

been like the beginning. Yeah, and then the Irish people is a lot closer into the mid to early eighteens. Yeah, and then you and there was a fair number of like Scandinavian people that came over. Um, you know that we're up in the like you know, you kind of hear that Scandinavian style accent and like the Minnesota parts of the country, and I never thought about that they were there for a long time. Um, it's it depends that there's do you do let me ask you something.

This this is this could be a bit raised baby, but do you here for only became a problem once it was somebody that was it white, because well take that back, it was always a problem. Every last settler that was here always complained about the next group from somewhere else coming. Yeah, And and and another thing to keep in mind too, like you see and when you examine like a large group of people and their opinion,

there's there's mixed opinions. So one group of people was looking at like say, manifest destiny, We're going to expand the boundaries of the United States all the way to the Pacific Ocean, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. We're gonna grow, we're gonna develop, we want more people here. The more people that come here, the more we develop. Blah blah blah

blah blah blah blah. And you have other people who at the same time look at and going quit sending these people here because they're threatening my miniature local monopoly on commerce. So so you have that conflict all the time. And it would be the two things that people complain about because they take that they've taken our job is something that's been around since the sevent Yeah, like taking

our jobs have been that whole model. Oh, they're taking our jobs has been around since the first Irish people started coming here. If we're being honest, it probably started in the old Country and people came here because someone back there took their job and then they finally got their fucking job back on the other side of the world. Some other asshole shows up. It takes it from the off. How I do all this for? I could have stay at home? Okay, So side note back before we before

we can go here. You so it has sauthern Italy got it together at this point. Now no, still don't have it together. Still a mess. What is wrong? I don't know. I mean Italy and itself as a ship show. I mean, there's there's commerce there, there's stuff that happens there. Most of the innovation does occur in central and northern Italy, and down there there's nobody wants to go. To me, it's the most beautiful part of the country geologically, I

mean beautiful. Yeah, I mean you can make that argument, certainly, Um I would. Uh, there's no tourism there. I've never met anybody who's gone. I mean, it's like a rite of passage among white people to go to Europe and backpack around or jerk off whatever the hell they do over there. I'm not going, but then they can go. But I've never talked to one that's been to either of those regions not one. Yeah, and that hurts. I mean, how much money to other people spend just walking around

and looking at shipping rome every year? You know, as you say that a fucking a lot, and all the flavor comes from south of Italy. That's the funk up for it. Yeah, um okay, So back into it. So when do you think that started to happen? Right, like, if this has been the American way the whole time to some degree, right, to some degree has been most people came here, most of the earliest settlers came here legally.

Nobody literally, you know, even the whole Ellis Island idea probably worked for I think they said, I was reading it was somewhere about four out of ten people that came. Yeah, I went through Alison, huge numbers. Yeah. Um, so is the Mottel a bad model from the start? No? I mean, you know, look, my ideological prejudices are totally priced into

my answer. I don't think it's really even a problem today, but for the fact that you cannot, like you have a balance sheet, you know, on on like our budgets a comedy routine at this point, but we're in debt every year. Yeah, trillions of dollars. And for people who don't like renegotiating the price of an orange at the checkout, as the dollar value collapses in real time, you have to understand, like, okay, we have as a matter of law now a lot of public services and a lot

of like individual subsidies financially. So two things happened. When the horizon line on the physical area of the United States is expanding. It's not that big a deal if people are coming into fil empty space, but once you hit that other ocean, now you're packing it in. So that's one thing. The other thing, and I think is the biggest thing, is just simply you have new laws

in place, and it's just very very expensive. I mean, like if you I mean most places where if you're like low income and it's in the public school, those are the most expensive per pupil prices for education. Your plus they have all the meal plans. So if you're a mom and dad with two kids, that's probably forty dollars a year for the education. You're getting some EBT money on top of that. Now you're up over fifty,

you get free healthcare. You're now into the sixties. And if you get Housing subsidies are now into the seventies or eighties, depending on where you are in what are part of the country. That's a lot of money to take in when you start factoring there's other people here that probably have a better claim to that. So is it really a better claim if everybody came here illegally

to some degree, even if they're now legally a resident. Well, yes, because if somebody, if somebody, really, what's the difference between the US and Mexican I get your point, right, I get the thought. It makes perfect sense. We can't afford it. Well,

we can't afford to give away things the way we do. Yeah, I mean if doing three million dollars earth, I'm sorry, like three million people a year coming through the border right now, projected about if that costs and this is super this is comedy, low ball, but if it costs ten thousand dollars a person, that's thirty billion a year. And that's every year, year after year after year after

year after year. So like that's that's an awful lot to ask, you know, so, and that number is gonna be a lot higher than that anyway, But like some of that all and generate revenue or is it not enough that's generating revenue, that's working jobs and being taxed. Well, if you're illegal, you can't really pay taxes is another thing. They have a set up for them to pay taxes,

I know that for sure. Yeah, but they don't really have a great set up for them to be employed, you know, like it's illegal to hire them and and and and declare them jobs. Pretty fast, most people come into this country, especially from like the southern parts of the Western region, they come get jobs fast, for sure. A lot of them are cash paying. So when you get into a cash based off the book's economy, because you're because at that point the value then is undercutting labor.

So like the what's the group the not the small business, the Chamber of commerce, it's it's the big you know, Chamber of commerce lobby that's always trying to bring more sub legal cost labor into the US that way, so they're always lobbying for open borders all the time. So like there's there's some value to that as well. I don't think it cancels itself out and on the aggregate as of the cancels itself out. So so for for you, it's the affordable cost, like because you could come here

and immediately take advantage of the programs that are here. Yeah, And like the reality is like it's like to make it very very simple, Like the US and Mexico are both European colonialized nations, and one by spanning, one by England. Absolutely one of them built an economy that is very effective. The other one did not, or built one that's very ineffective. Whatever. So if you want to go from A to B, it's less about the sand and it's more about you know,

what's happening on top of it. So now it's like, well, you have a right to be on the sand, sure, do you have a right to just grab you know, put your hand in the bucket? Now that's more of the debate to me personal Like I said, I don't care if you're here, but if you're here, you better be a value. Add you're not getting anything until you're on here, until until you're properly on paper here, you know what I mean. I wouldn't say you gotta get the hell out of here, but I'm not gonna I'm

gonna pay you to be here. You can't take advantage of free programs. Yeah, and it dumps on a lot of schools, like like California shouldn't be forty nine and the country and education forty eight, whatever the hell they are. It's a very sophisticated state. Because there's too many people in school, too many people and and and d. A c l U sued the Californi State Board of Education one to implement bilingual education, which makes education a lot

of harder, you know. So it made it so much harder that the a c l you sued the California Board of Education again for having implemented what they sued them for the first time. Mm hm, just bizarre, but it happened. Um So, I mean, like said, I mean, suffice the same. You could go look at like South Dade County with all the Cuban immigrants. They're very Spanish. There's a lot of Spanish money in Miami. It's not really so much like l A. They're fucking crushing it,

you know. So there's there's all sorts of fluid different variable factors. There's already great examples. Yeah, I mean, there's yeah, playing there's I mean, it's like like there are plenty of examples, and you could close addressing point I mean San Gabriel Valley has a lot of Asian people that are doing very well. A lot of those people came here to flee, like the the Cultural Revolution under Mao.

I mean, like my I was a a ring bearer and a wedding between two families that were from Hong Kong, but one of them was from mainland and came here circle Hong Kong. It was one guy. One guy on mainland during Mao's Cultural Revolution was trying to tell his family, you need to get out because they don't like us and they're gonna kill us. No, no, no, you're crazy, he said, funking, I'm out killed his whole family. My dad's friend has no lineage above his grandfather. They are

all wiped off of existence. And this is out of Woods Country, China. So you have people like all in the San Gabriel Valley that came here with nothing but pants and do very very well. And there's people like you know, all throughout, like the Mexican American community who do very very well. It it's a little harder because like to to see because it's a constantly the number

is getting is getting huge every day. Yeah, and and as and as one guy moves from measurement of the best, you only seeing the the worst, actual wildcome, which is somebody that needs to come here and the met to take advantage of the programs exactly. And if you were to stare like, I'll use the West like district because you know it's a you know that neighborhood. You might look at it for twenty years and go, boy, it's

been poor here for twenty years. They might not all probably half of them aren't the same people that were there twenty years ago. You're just looking at a block. Sure, so there's that too, and the other people might have moved on and done very well. Well, it's it's I always say that I can it's not really comparable because they come from you know, when you in Mexico, it's a different level of poverty, especially the northern parts of Mexico. Like poor in America and poor in Mexico is like

night and day different. Um, I don't know uh about that. I've been I've hung in TJ for weeks. I've hung in the northern part. It is different. You've been to Oahaka and Chiapas not that far. Yeah, Okay, Like there's there's certainly different, Like Chiapas is so poor they tried to revolt and from Mexico in the nineties. Yeah, yeah, Like, I think those places don't really even speak Spanish all the way. So here's another question, Um, is that why

these countries try to become their own state? Like, is that why San Bernardino was trying to become its own state? I don't know. I think some of the counties in California are trying to succeed California for a lot of reasons. Um, A lot of it has to do califol California's government. The rule is very oppressive. It's crazy because it's such a a place that gets regarded in its high regard as being a liberal place, but it's super oppressive on

its own beliefs of how you should conduct business. And it's very regionally exploitative. So you have high concentrations of like minded voters in the metropolitan areas of Los Angeles and the greater San Francisco area that will vote to basically just rob like say, the Central Valley just dry. So so then the Central Valley and those places are like scool, We're out of here, m hm. And some of that might also include San Bernardino County. Sanbardino is

a big county. There's a lot going on there from San Berdino. What was that McDonald's come from San Bernardino. I know that was just random San Bernardino. I mean San Bernardino is like huge. It's probably be the fifteenth largest state in the country physically by itself. Yeah, if it was a state is big. So I don't know what they're trying. I do, like and like, you see, the same thing happened with eastern and western Oregon, Like part of Oregon wanted to succeed and become the state

of Idaho. Mm hm. And you could see that even like when I was in Oregon doing the cannabis thing, the opt out counties that didn't want to participate in legal cannabis were all on the eastern side and the western side were all into cannabis. They're just have two different perspectives mm hmm. So now so many people that even the states don't even have alignment. True true, And and you know that's probably more of an issue in the West when the where the states are really big.

I assume it's probably more alignment. If you were dealing with states through the size of Vermont, you know, or like Wyoming is big, but there's like nine people there, eight of them think the same. Mm hm. That makes sense. So where does the FED sitting all of this immigration talk, the federal government or the Federal Reserve? The federal government, I mean, the Supreme Court basically said during the Obama administration that they have full authority that the question constitutionally

is does the executive branch have the right? You know what the legislature passes the law, the executive branch is supposed to figure out how to enforce it. Oh, that means you have to enforce it. Figuring out how to enforce it isn't figuring out if you enforce it. It's it's how to enforce it. Yeah, So the current administration is a very strong constitutional case to be made that

there like like impeachably unconstitutional. But they're not not they're not enforcing they're they're they're redefining policy and conflict with the actual law. M hm. And it's it's a ton of word legal games. I don't even know if it's that they're just saying here's the law, and the all imitate on the time that they have to go out in figure out how to apply laws. Is there a certain amount of time? I know, it's all the supposed

to be faith Yeah, you know. I mean the instant that they came in is whatever, we're gonna stop building the wall, and we're gonna basically say, m you know, we're having a no what was it. There's catching release or you can have apprehend and uh XP and and deport or whatever else. They just said, just come just come on. We're not going to force it, so anything's open. We're not our border patrol, federal agents are not going to be in the business of rounding people up as

they enter, detaining them and sending them back. So they said, we're gonna gather the people who want to be gathered. We're going to they're gonna claim asylum, and then that we're gonna process them out with a court date that they're never gonna go to and as long as they have their court debt date paper, they can just be here and definitely and that's not the immigration policy, because our immigration policy is not just come here and get a piece of paper and stay pending a court date

that it's never gonna happen. You know what's weird. Okay, tell me if this is wrong. It feels like the middle class will be affected the most by this negatively, and the lower class will be the most the middle class. Second, I think the middle class the most, and I think the wealthy will benefit from it the most. Yeah, that's probably pretty fair. Yeah, I mean, because once you poor, you just poor. There's nothing the lowest class. You know, you you was gonna get a bad education before they can.

You don't get a bad education when they come. You're gonna get the same pretty much mine on the county price. And it's always gonna be bad for you. Yeah. But when two things that I think, like you're you know, we'll use all SAMs is a great case study for this that could negatively impact l A. If you're poor and black in Los Angeles and your school is not great and then it becomes significantly more crowded and bilingual, it's gonna your qualite education is gonna go down. It's

gonna be out quickly. Poor quality of education. Right, it was poor or it's been probably poor since the late seventies. Yeah, for sure, But like I mean, has it gotten worse? Sure, But I'm saying it was never quality to begin with it. It hasn't been quality probably since the fifties and the sixties. Yeah, I don't really even for California probably, I don't even know. I don't even know. I know, like in other cities like New York, it was very good quality public education

up until the sixties. So what's the what's the endplay? Is it really about you know, people being humane? Like I'm sure that's the cover up, Like, oh, you know what, will we owe human beings an opportunity? Which is weird because there's people here that don't have I guess they have the opportunity to exist in poverty, and that's what they're saying. What's the endgame of allowing what's the end game of being a proponent of this? Ah, we saw

that play out last year. That the thing that everyone wants to talk about, the Santists and Texas guy sending immigrants up north. Well, the federal government has been sending quietly plans and busses of illegal environs all over the country and largely into swing counties in red states. So the end of game, the beneficiaries of yet another like social engineering project, so to speak, would be that you can strategically redefine the body politics from a voter standpoint

in your favor. So there's a political benefit for that. There's some maybe some kickback that might suggest it might not quite go so well as the people are planning it like this is going. That doesn't seem like the benefit because eventually it is not going to meet that. But what I'm asking is who would be well, that's a big benefit because it can really, it can really have a huge impact. Oh yeah, voting. But I'm saying, eventually is going to rule you out, whoever the proponent

is of it. Possibly, I think that could be. Okay, here you go the issue and a lot of these countries right there, we're talking about right the southern part of Italy, Mexico, all right, is in the China, there's a wealthy class. And there's what made America great to me, And I'm sorry, I'm jumping thoughts, but it's the same concept. What made America great to me is it's middle class. Yeah, and it's ability to assent one of the greatest mass

number of middle classes in all of the world. Japan has a good middle class, America has a great middle class. But the countries were talking about, right, Mexico, Um, Italy, especially South Italy is going to be wealthy poor. It's gonna be a really small amount of middle class people. And that's when your country is a ship show. Is that fair to say? Certainly? And so you're saying the tax you know, to to try to keep up with

this budget, right, which is almost virtually impossible. So it's inflating the dollar, right, and we have to pass out more dollars to to to do by all of these people because we're not controlling the law of how people have to come in and what they have to do to to get the to get the assistance needed like to survive. Um, the middle class people will feel the worst part of the taxes. Yeah, they'll feel the worst

part of it, and they'll feel in two ways. A lot a lot of people look at it like, oh, well, they won't pay as much tax as like some rich guy or some business. But if you don't pay for it in taxes directly, you pay for on the back side of inflation, or you pay for it in the absence of opportunities from growth. Because those big companies, wealthier investors don't have the extra don't have that much extra

money to to build and they're gonna pay list. Yeah, so where they hire some money to pay completely less totally, Yeah, get undercut a lot. And you see that like my like, are we on okay now? Um, Like my cousin and my uncle are driving mixer trucks in Nebraska. They've been in North Dakota and all in that part of the country doing contract work. Dad's got a house in Idaho's he kind of starts to retire and getting them into fishing more. And you see, like there's whenever there's a development,

it's a lot. Even shoot, even when I was in New Orleans last year moving out here, there there was so many Hondurans at the hotel I was staying out on this on the outside of New Orleans that there was a Honduran restaurant temporary Honduran restaurant opened next door, and it was just like, yeah, they're they're gonna come up. There's gonna be construction contracts and they fill that stuff for cheap, you know, fifty cents on the dollar. So there is an advantage and cost for a lot of

big companies. And there's there's a political advantage because even when when stuff is in disarray and there's stratified poverty, and political power reigns in that type of an environment because you have more dependence than independence. Good looking out for tuning into the No Sellers podcast. Please do us a favorite, subscribe, rate, comments, share. This episode was recorded right here on the West coast of the USA and produced by my homeboy A King for the Black Effect

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