Conversations About Hip Hop

Dre right. Joe Cocker, uh Parliament, Uh Leon Heywood. You know I'm saying all this dose ship a funk right, he's into that now, bam. Now after math Dre is classical Dr dre right, So pop Dr dre right. So that's eminem right. That's two thousand and one right where you got all this crazy kind of Stringy started working with Burt back Iron, Yeah right, so right, but he was already into it, so he got that together. And then the end, like I said, when you get to

fifty cent, that stuff is still kind of poppy. It's still like very high on the top, you know, like if you listen to Um in the club, uh um, you know what I'm saying, so Dre has went through spells music. It's the question. It's just like and I'm gonna like extract a perilous not part of it, but like, read the book The Innovator's Dilemma. I started to read

that book. Yeah, it has to deal with aligning the timing of innovation with the timing of the preparedness of the steward of the consumer market and like to make it maybe a little bit less because that one is that books very abstract, so it's very well obscure. DJ Quick, I think DJ Quick was like probably almost underrated, if not the most underrated musical minds hip hop history. But he's web TV. Web TV came out in like two

thousand and just tanked. It was the idea, believe this, look at this, an idiotic idea of getting a computer specifically designed to hook up to your television. That's how I've been super stinging. Ever heard of when bankrupt? But that's DJ fucking Quick. Sure I think you see where I'm going to your point. But again, innovation is overrated. It's overrated to the innovator. That's fair. I mean, it depends on what you value most in the conversation innovation

or marketability or or monetization. Innovation versus monetization is the kind of the route debate we're having here. But I think innovators don't even get credit. You don't, of course, they don't get credit. Monetizers get credit and they get money and everything that comes along with that. So that's the point I'm making. So what they couldn't do what they do without innovators, I agree. I think the two

co exists at the same time. Right. But again, Napoleon Hill is an example, you know what I mean to him being a the whole concept of the secret and thoughts become things. He's in Andrew Carnegie and all the people they lived in nineteen twenty and they knew what

they knew, but they're like basically, long story short. Andrew Carnigie told Napoleon Hill, and I need you to go spend the next twenty years studying and interview on the most successful people and figure out how they became with success. It became the answer was they used their mind. They thought it through, they manifested it, they thought about it every day and work towards it, and then it happens.

How anything happens. But he told him, hey, go spend twenty five years of your life researching this, and after you do and you find the answer, you're not going to get credit till a hundred years after your death. He did this in the thirties and twenties. Would you have enough faith to go do this and go spend your time doing that? And then here we are in the two thousands, and you see all this enlightening of people to a secret and blah blah videos and all

that dead being gone. Didn't get no credit for it. And he he was the innovator, you know what I mean. So the mind, the marketing into stuff. Maybe the information couldn't be received as fast as we now can send it across the web and all that. But you know, here we are a hundred years later, and there is that crossroad I think where you have to have innovation meet the marketing and the minds being ready to receive the information, and proof of concept happens faster and faster

and faster through generations. So like proof of concept to an idea a hundred years ago, it took a long time of actualizers. Now it takes a couple of years. People and then go, that's a stupid idea. Oh wait, I'm seeing it working. It's like there's like six weeks, yeah for sure, for sure. The Internet, the plane, yeah, all these stuff, Facebook, Google, all of us. But they're all super old ideas, right that somebody else monetized and

marketed and got credit for it. So um, that's the point I'm saying, like, hold up, no selings, g low, I want Tom Peter Boss in the house, Metro standing cous my way, Metro back up here here Taimish music innovator. He brought the keena. The keen is here really talented singer? Yes, yes, I'm here, fail me. She in the spot. We're trying to get her to get her confidence up because she's like a monster behind closed doors. But she like quiet when the microzone and you just got to be like

an animal all the time. I'm working on it. There you go, that's our store. Don't let hooligans like us take over your air time. That's it's not even though I'm very observative and I love to like listen and take in all. Is that a word observative? Okay, she's nervous. I'm just because I'm gonna use that's your word now, observative. I'm gonna put that in there. It's like a Sundays It sounded beautiful, it did, it was fine, that's a song, observed it. I was gonna let it slide, and he

pulled it off. I can't have it. I just grabbed a clear air observative, and I'm gonna use it throughout the podcast that we're gonna make it a real thing. Nick is gonna hashtag observative. But you gotta make the song like how they did with that Entanglement. You have to make observative. But so right in the middle, I was explaining that Pee, we was having a conversation about the music business, and we're talking about Quincy Jones. Dr Dre and Metro shout out to Drake and Dre listen

to the podcast what's up making good Looking? But Metro thinks I'm a bit too high on Dr Dre right, And I mean, it's not no credit because it's not like I said, you don't think Dr Dre is not to listen to the podcast and they're gonna throw him under the He wouldn't think that was he wouldn't think that was legends. Yes, he wouldn't whole idea. But DOT don't think bro this nigga beat battle. Dr Ja wants to fun what he talked. We had talked about that later.

It's a whole whose projects not getting funded by any sort of enterprises. And that's not true. That's not true. No, it's I'm not saying that. You're not saying Dre is not the goat, like Magic is a goat of course, right, But you feel like I'm too high on certain talents and you feel like it's because I grew up watching them, and really, for me, that's probably the word like, that's not true. We all sensationalize who we saw as kids and stuff. Alan Iverson was my goat. I saw him

get drafted when I was thirteen. That's there's there's you think that's random. There ain't no nigga who's sixty years old. Some nostalgia bias there. I said, it's a goat. What I'm saying, like we had the best braids in NBA, the greatest marriage. But there are other goats within the professional Hoby is a goat? Is he the best player ever? Knowsition I had knows perlative description is problematic at best. Okay, we know that there is only one singular when you're

being for real. That's I think that's wrong. We're always being for real are okay? I think the team But but but listen before we get no because we fly get throw office of basketball stuff, we're not We're not finish. So I was saying, right that doctor Dre. Right, he feels I'm a bit hot, Don't get me wrong. He understands the brilliance of doctor Drake. We've had this conversation. He knows Dre is brilliant and probably the guy you

know at the top level. But the respect I have for him, it's different because I understand the job of a record producer completely different than even him or a lot of people in the business. And I understand how hard it is to break a new artist. Like producers. To me, Metro make music. So not only is he a label owner like Puff makes music like Puff, Right, they make music and they run a label, and they

engineer and they do all of this stuff. So him as a producer, right, I noticed when I listened to producers him or different ones, it's about just hits for them, you know, hits who got who who got the hits for me right as an artist or as a music exactly. The goal is to have a producer who could break multiple artists. Can you give somebody their first hit record?

Whoever that person is is the most valuable person in the music industry, excuse me, in the record industry, that person who could give different artists their first hit record. You're the greatest thing going. And when you name Dr Dre, like I'm saying it's five, he gave hits to this key, you say first hit it first, because that's the most important thing. Because like either of you think of the Neptunes in Brittany Spirits hit What's the Boy? The White

Boy code? Hell? Max mort And already broke that? Who gave Britney Spears? Sometimes I run who produced that? About that weird, old, creepy guy who looks like he may be kind of registered, who broke all those boy bands out of all Orlando? That's the why? What? What? What just happened? It looks like maybe he has to tell the neighbors when he moved into a neighborhood. I don't know the guy. I don't live in that neighborhood anyway. No,

look so Dr Dre and the eighties. Right, first hit records, right, m a first hit record, easy, first hit record, in W a first hit record, d C first hit record. That's insane. That's in the eighties. Right. Then in the nineties, Right, he gives himself a hit record. Right, he gives Snoop Dogg his first hit record. Right, he gives I think exhibit exhibits in the late nineties. Right, and then he gives eminem Is for his hit record. Okay, and then

fast forward into the two thousand's. Right, he gives fifty cent his first hit record, and then he gives up Game his first hit record. That's crazy. That's ten ten artists you broke as a record producer. I agree. Now, I'm not going to did uh the greater like cash money enterprise through its various tax you know related you know, entities break. That's the point, right, So many broke the big timers, right, hotboys, Juvie b b Turk. Turk didn't break.

Turk did not break. Turk didn't break. You're right, he broke parole. Turk probably got close because I used to love your anyway. I bought his album anyway, shout out to Hurt because Turk but I'm saying, right, so again like back to Dre just covered breaking that mini acts, but then phase two you got Drake manage all the other ship you have. But that's not that. But I'm saying that's it might not be fresh, but from an

executive standpoint. So now it's a different kind of you're talking about the record, because so a real record labels two parts at the highest level, right, it's the vision and it's the records. Every now and then you have somebody to do both. But that's just rare. That's just you know, he's there for a ship. So good. I'm up for Mr. Vertical Monopoli fifty years ago. I'm good. Well, you just got to get you a hit man. I know I'm getting these niggas around. Shout out to the

niggas and to the hit around. Y'all know who y'all are. Y'all been to the studio. You know what I'm saying. Ain't gonna you gotta get you hit me and you need you. You know Mad what's the dude name the Mad Rapper? Yeah, I be out of llo and things like that. You know a lot of I got it, I could do it, and they know people don't see the vision. So you gotta kind of ya. I could do it. I'm doing so so the West Coast white rapper with a ghostwriter. I got you as long as

you can find me a ghostwriter. I told him we should do my son a lot of so we got a kid rappers glasses right, will be I have a little we'll have a little bit out dog. But but so the point is I talked to meet you all the time. And that's why I hold Dr dre in that regards. It's not because I grew up watching him. I didn't even understand it growing up as a kid, Like I was way too busy. And as a kid, you gotta think I'm enjoying LLL COOLJ as a kid. LLL cooj was super appealing. When I was a kid,

LLL had I'm bad. He could dance in the video feel me, he was feeling. He was rapping hard. He just was cold. He was like the greatest entertainer. When I was a kid, Iced Tea wasn't breaking. You know, He's up there rapping and breaking, rapping about the battle going on. Like I'm like, what this is like the craziest ship. So watching n W a was like, Oh, these niggs from around the corner, that's just not that great. We were born in like seventy six. No, yeah, what

are you talking about. I'm saying, this is the eighties, right, I'm eighty right, I'm living like this. I started, you know, I turned one and eighty born in seventy nine, eighty, I'm living life. No, I'm just eight six. It's eighty five seven, so you gotta be six seven eight. That's enough to see ship and be like, whoah, could you imagine what I'm Bad looked like in eight seven? It's what Polo G looks like to Elijah two years ago. But I'm just saying it's even more sensational. Was rapping

and dancing. I know nobody was doing that, and he was sucking it up, come to find out, like a West Coast nigga did at the same time. Oh yeah, this is way but bad, and it was like rapping hard lyrics. My hat is like a sharks fin. I mean, but in the eighties, you gotta think how that ship sounded. Yeah, nobody could write, nobody could rap quite like our can I take a muscle bawn man and put his face in the sand like he was going off like and he fucking it up right, he dancing and you like,

this is crazy. So when I saw in w way right, I'm like, Niga is around there in the around the corner. That's the regular ship. I see that all the time. Right, So you gotta think house party, right you house party comes out of nineties. We go to the theaters. We deep for me, we're kids. You're watching kidd and play on camera at a party. It's just like the greatest ship ever, like even for a West Coast nigga. It didn't make sense to me until Boys in the Hood

came out. That's when I was like, oh, this ship we live in is something like like y'all like the ship like the whole movie was standing up. I was like, it's kind of like we're the ship able to see the people outside of the aquarium looking at it. And that's how it was in the movie theater right when you're looking at Boys in the Hood and they see the low riding they're going, you know, my mom took me down christ Shaw as a kid. I'm looking at the cars. I'm like, yeah, this is tough. Said that,

I've been a fan of the Max sins. I see boys in the hood, he said, I've seen when they would do Shout the Mac and there he said, he was like, oh, like like that's just enamored everybody. I think that's when the West Coast Ship really happened. I mean, like where people were exposed to, oh, this is what's going on in California and lost l A. This is a different side. So Colors was one thing, right, that was like this educational piece of crypting and blood with

the police involved. Right, and then you're starting to see in w A. You're hearing about it. You know you're starting to see it. You see a tone low, but he kind of got are these songs for girls? You know, talking about how life is? But man, you've seen Hammer, right, Hammer from Northern cal Right, he dancing, But people don't know here street nigger. I'm saying, he's a fool like

his family. They craze, they're real gangsters and ship. But when you've seen boys in the hood, when that ship happened, that's when the whole music industry and every fan became intrenched with who we were. And then that's why menister society because they're like, we could do that ship again, let's do and it was not done. That's quite as good. Minister Society is a bit more corny and tiring to kill me about that ship. I gotta ask you a question.

Tiring to kill me about that ship. But Minister Society based on the culture is a bit more corny because the characters were over exaggerated, so you could see the lifestyle like Old Dog was like super duper extra of course, and against g who was they from Gray Street? You know. The thing that I thought I was dope about it was that they didn't frame Cane as the hero or the villain. He robbed niggas, he got shot. He was It was like the story of just l A inner city.

You that's just any regular gangbanger in l A. That's my cousin's Kane is my cousin Andre, Like it's That's what it felt like. That's why it was like. This is how it didn't sensationalize it too much. It was just like it dropped you in and you were just in the mix. It ain't no hero. He don't make it out at the end, none of that. Like it's

that was how it ended. Like That's how Boys in the Hood is for me, how much do you think I don't have credits the right word, but what would you say to causing effect to impact from a marketability standpoint and everything Boys in the Hood should receive as far as like the subsequent like music videos that Dre and Snoop whatever did where you had like a movie that's an hour long, but you probably had an audience that wanted to see five hours and now it's probably

the closest thing you can get to a sequel. Well, what that's what spends us into the conversation, right, you you have Cube, right, Cube is more on on all of this. You know political Chuck D. That's kind of who I felt like when I used to listen to

Q when I was younger. He was all political, like you know how how America was treating black people, like standing up for black people and it's really cool West Coast gangster way right, But it was like Chuck D. But when he did en w way, excuse me, when he did Boys in the Hood. Remember Easy that's the name of easy song. So this is all this super

leaning its culture packaged up into one idea. It had kind of the outlaw right now from the West at this point that the guy everybody looked at as like, yeah, he just don't give a funk. You know, he's crazy. He's from out the world's most dangerous group. You named it right after uh, Boys in the Hood, which is probably at this time, outside of Six in the Morning, the most iconic song fast forward obviously Fuck the Polices

in the conversation straight out of Conflict. But at that time, Boys in the Hood and in Six in the Morning were the songs, so you named it after this song Boys in the Hood. You have ice ice Cube, And now this is a gangster story right of really how it is in l A. But is the square guy that lives in the neighborhood that's you know, cool, trying to go to college, the athlete who kind of don't got the right grades but stand away from the culture when you know, trying to make his way out the hood.

His brother who was a gang member right and and been through so much stuff as a kid. So now he's coming home. He's just trying to get his money. He got his homeboys, and it's the story of crips versus bloods. That never had to say because of blood but fairish you could tell was the blood, this, that, and the third. So when this happens, right this movie, you gotta remember, this is an urban movie that does sixty seventy million in the in the country. This is

a ninety one. It's like Scarface. It was like a modern day Scarface. It was like the same way Scarface enamored everybody in the drug game in eighties. This was like game culture for the nineties. Ten years later. It was the same type of effect. Everybody went out and sold drugs after seeing Scarface, Like I'm gonna be him without that movie. But my question, here's where I'm going to that. Right, So you have this movie that does seventy million, and I believe Shook saw that. Now I

gotta confirm with Pops. I can't just put words and Popps mouth and show the mouth like that. But that's what I think he saw. He was like, Oh, they're gonna love who we are, because I'm sure before that, the concept of being a crypt and the blood was shamed at in the industry, like it wouldn't work until Boys in the Hood happened and people realize everybody likes somebody in the film. It really became again. At this roughly seventy million dollars. What the funk urban flick was

doing without a superstar? You know, ice Cube, this is hip hop. You know, God's coming up. He's not this super more tip platinum success. I mean, he sold a million records, maybe two, but he's not this. You know, he's not mc hammer, you know what I mean. But but they put out this him this new director recipes to John and this film does roughly seventy million dollars in the country. So then you could tell this West

Coast stuff is a phenomenon. So when you start talking about the low riders and stuff, I think SiO saw this success because Sugar is a college kid that that what the college knew a little bit about marketing and said to himself, right, oh, they loved this, They're gonna love this. This is seventy million. I think that was his research. So he was like, Okay, when they did nothing but the g thing, they said, we're just gonna make Boys in the Hood, yeah music version, because it

looked like that. Even the visuals, the shots that look esthetically like it's a barbecue, riders like boys in Hood, party, boys in the Hood. It looks like Now when you think of nothing but the think video, and you think of what boys in the visually, the way the cameras look at everything, it looks like the same. Yes, yeah, yeah, I think that was the case study. So again, who would be the innovator of exposing that culture? Maybe the guy who made colors, Maybe Iced Tea for writing colors.

I mean as far as gang banging itself, but who gives credit to colors more than they give credit to boys in the Hood or Menister Society for West Coast lifestyle. Most people don't name colors at all, and colors in theory right, could be the innovator of displaying gangmaking coach. But that's like somebody looking at the flower and going, man, that's a strong gass seed that blossomed. Everybody, look at the flowers, Look at this, Look at this. Chea was

bro Don Chea was Rocket. He was the coldest crip and like Bro. No, you gotta see the video Angela wind Bush where he's dancing in the video. I ain't gonna last his first plains. I don't have to say this, but I'm gonna say that I was born in eighty three, I seen colors. What I was born in eighty three, and I'm even slightly. I'm gonna be honest. I didn't see coming to America till about ship four or five years ago. Maybe I still don't seeing coming to America.

I ain't seen none of the movies y'all mentioned. You should kill yourself. This is coming to America. Place with her every day, every time I'm with her for the last two years. So you don't know the wonders of Eddie Murphy. No, like I've seen, like the little clips that everybody's saying, Right, if him actually come into America, No storyline a bit with a dad, right, he had a girl in America. No, this is crazy. No, that's

not the storyline. Yeah, something like that. It's more so like he was ultra royalty in Africa and came to America to get away from that so someone could love him for the real him. So he worked at McDowell's, which was like McDonald's but black owned, and fell in love with the owner's daughter. And there were some jokes

along the way by our senior hall and barbershop. And that's about it, okay, right, so his wife, So you gotta understand it's not really a cultural phenomenon for him, like for us, it's like for short, like if if Cisco or Ebert reviewed it, that's what they would say. But from us, she's like, who's Cisco, And she's like, Cisco died, Like team Bro, you're just but no, Silver exactly, We're not gonna do this. You need to watch Coming to America. It's really great. It's funny. It's like one

of the most important black mos e It's super great. Yeah, it's like really super great. Do do a deep dive in Eddie Murphy was coming to America and you gotta go Trade Places. You gotta go first film as well. Yes, it's with him and Dan. I ain't seen that one either. What is this guy here for? I'm turning his mic off. What year did they come on? Come on, I don't know. We're born the same year, so I don't know. I don't know. Traded Places. It's like, okay, you remember coming

to America, right, yeah? Okay, so and coming to America. You remember when he's walking and he took the money from Simi. You know, he took the SIMI kept spending money. He hooked off the apartment and made the apartment too nice and he took his money, like you can't do no more damage, and he put the money into McDonald's bag. He was walking off and he's walking with Lisa and he hands the bag to them. Too, old man, the two old white broke men on the corner. He was

like Mortan Mur. You know, he's like Randolph. Look, He's like, I'm still not talking to you. Mortan Mur. He was like, look, he's counting money, he said, And it was like, we're back that. That was the first rap video cameo of all time. That's trading places. That's where the characters come from. See. So I don't as much as I'll be on your head about it's a bunch of stuff I missed, but I'll be like, you know what I mean. But yes,

it's so moving forward cause we just got lost. So death Row at that point, right, becomes the cultural revelation, right of what's going on. M I mean, it's like, we didn't have to gamble Boys in the Hood. Excuse me, colors gamble for us. Right, Boys in the Hood became proven success, right, and then death Row became the soundtrack to boys and What's funny is to piggy back off the Minicociety one Movie of the Year at the MTV Awards, so they got such a phenomena. Boys in Hood didn't

even get nominated, but it was such a success. Hughes brothers went copied it and want to MTV of mute. Kind of similar to Onyx beating out the Chronic for the Grammy that year. That's a little interesting. On was tough beat Wow. I don't know in real time again, I was seven, I wasn't watching the grounds in real time is different. No, but when you think, oh, the chronic didn't win to Grammy, you're like, damn, well, who beat it? And then you can look and Slam beat

it real time it's different. Was huge. I was like twelve when that she came out. It was crazy. It was awesome, but there was nothing special. It was specially special. I think the chronic became something greater at the striking moment of the conversation. In real time it was a conversation. No,

but do you think it's slam. That was a real conversation because Slam was like big people love movie from the Crystal that boys people that spawn movies for them, Yeah, sugar Hill, all the movies came out that spawn movies because they were in films. After that, they start fred Row and yeah, there were a lot of made for TV movies after that. Hold up, see you talk to see that's that white people ship. We don't care if

it's made for Bro. You just had too many films, too much for your life, so you spoiled, so you just degrade that. I'm pretty sure the movies were actually made for the theater, but that was again happening. I got the hook. It was for ice Cube. Bro. The first hip hop movie I've ever seen today, it's actually hip hop's birthday, Happy birthdayday for years. Thank you for saving my life for the day, So thank you for

saving my life. Right, thank you for saving my life? Right? Okay, but right, if you start like the first hip hop movie I've seen or the record business of hip hop that I've seen, right, was probably that I can remember is Breaking. Yeah, I mean I remember seeing Breaking. That's seeing ice Tea on that screen, like wrapping and them nick Is dancing breaks and sucking it up the way West Coast niggas did. I've seen B Street, but I didn't really take to it because I thought it was dope.

But it was a bit in New York. And if you don't get that, like they were fighting over painting on the fucking train, which street a question. Though. There wasn't a lot of hip hop really in Boys in the Hood, right, it was a movies movie. Well that that is what hip hop is. Yeah, but there was like hip hop and some of these other movies. Well, no, again, hip hop is. So I've came up with this is the Warriors Warriors or whatever Boys in the Hood New York is it is because that seems like a hip

hop movie with no hip hop being played. You know, there's too many white people in that film to be hip hop at that time York, you know, But but hip it was. It was the whole thing. I think it was routed. So this is what I've realized. This is important. Hip Hop in New York, right is the culture right, so excuse me, the culture is hip hop. So like the culture in New York is being a rapper is being a breaker, you know, to the music

is dejang is knowing the lessons is graffiti. That is hip hop for us on the West Coast, right, our culture is what hip hop is. So it's the lifestyle we live and talking about that. That's the way, so crip walking could be considered hip hop at certain places, you know, I mean it became a part of that culture because we even to the music, right even though initially, but that's very similar to Colors. No, I get it, but I'm saying Colors is the innovator. It just didn't

get credit. Colors is iced tea song. Colors It's problem. Nic did have a track on that, and it actually ended up No Ki is probably the most underrated track about gang banking ever. I mean, it's it's like super duper yah. It's one on one, the same three on one. Yeah. So the point I'm saying is right, y'all keep throwing me off, Okay, So yes, death Row right, So death Row saw that Colors was the innovator. Boys in the hood became you know, uh, the proof, and then death

Row happened. Right now now they're selling gangbanging culture. Gang banging was at his highest level. They all used to gang bang the pe fund, which is crazy. All my all my older hommies, hot Dog and them from Lanes, all the older homies Rich were great. They used to tell me moon Plug all they'll say that would Flashlight to get your ass killed at the party. Flashlight. Come on, they can start banging flashlight, We'll get you killed. That is one of the most active gang banger songs they

said in their time. What's his Name is? Um? On the podcast from Gangster Chronicles, Um James was saying that he used to have to put on quick when he was listening to whatever from back in the day when he was running around Compton, But then when he got near the studio he had to put on quick because that was what you have to listen to a death Row. So again for Dre, you know, we keep getting to a whole much which is dope. I love this part

of it. But to get to that point, Dre has went through three different things musically, like right where you know his brakes came from break Beach, right where he was on drums and that's where he was looking and

he was building off for that. And then when he got into g funk right that that carried the death Row era, and then aftermath to this day is all like kind of this classical pop style of music where he's made kind of his own Lane forgot about Drey forgot about Drake right, which is is that it was a South No, that's not no doubt. No doubt is the other song No daughters. Other song forgot about dre is a cold flip. But yeah, that ship is fired. But still d r E. Yeah straight here, still d

r E. That song reminds me of that song. They would never admit it, but I believe that song is Um, dude, do do the dude? All all the color girls that races that song, that dude do do Dude? Could you give me a decade or at least a quarter? What was that song? All the color Girls? Like all the Color Girls. It's only one song, That's what are we talking about? It? Just that's it? Oh? Shut up? And then you get on the mic and go, how come I didn't talk to the show? Shut then? I can't

believe you put up with this ship. That's I would say that I grew up with Crush Groove. That was the New York one was Crush. Crush Grove was super for everybody with My favorite East Coast movie at that point outside of the House Party, right as far as hip hop or when it was about rap music was Disorder These Yeah, that was funny with the Fat Boys. I remember that so all the color Girls, I cannot believe the wild Side take a work on the wild Side, lou Rey Walk on the wild Side. That's the name

of the song. It's a movie though I think that I don't know that song. Yeah, dude, um so did um tried, tried? Can I kick it? That's to be right. So again like I hear still still there and I hear that song. I know what they're doing. But again, to take those ideas and make his ship is different, you know what I'm saying. That's the thing that made him spectacular and the fact he's able to break ten

different artists. And I agree to some degree, you know, dre sales at the highest level gangster app right where it's like this reality based in culture of the West Coast living right, But I don't give a funk who it is to break ten artists. It is just about impossible. From a record side. You gotta know what you're doing. You have to be a super master of music and then understand how it correlates to the marketing side of it.

It's the reason like like exhibit was kind of popping on the West like he had a und Yeah, what you see is what you get them songs is fired, but they're not smash records. They're like these underground kind of songs that we all know within the culture right here. But you give him X that's some classical, but that's that same time after Math Drake was classical. So again I think it's underrated what he's able to do musically. I agree with you in the sense that this is

not a conversation of innovators. Those are different conversations. Well, you've seen the Netflix movie Laurel Canyon or In the Canyon something about the Canyon. It's about it's it's related because it's a time and place type of analysis of

the music industry. But there was you know, small number of producers, one or two over in you know, the Laurel Canyon area of Hollywood Hills, and like all the like acid head hippies from the late sixties, all of them, no matter where the funk they came from, they were going to a bunch of rental houses over there, getting high, had studios in the houses and broke like more records

and you could fucking count. And it's it's a pretty cool documentary about like the intersection of like proximity and timeliness within the music industry and how you can put that out and capitalize on it. It's it's not a terribly dissimilar conversation to this one. I mean it's a photo negative of this. I mean that's not for Max Mortin. A lot of camps like right came that way. But it's kind of like when when Snoop was talking about No Limit having that campus of all the artists and

all the studios were like all at one. But but also what makes hip hop special, right is the fact it's it's involved with so much culture. You know, it's it's one of the first genres that so culturally drenched,

like you know what I mean. Like at one time, music was kind of more like the same you know, most of the music was popped at the highest level, you know what I mean, Like it was rock and roll kind of came in and start doing some damage where they start bringing in like this whole other thing. Before that, at the highest levels, it was pretty much all similar to me, I mean, like it didn't have to be drenched in culture. Like hip hop became so

popular because it carries so much culture. The first time you've seen those low riders rawand before that when you start seeing guys with Tim's on, Right, you're looking at guys with Tim their boots on and they're wearing them on purpose, like like, yeah, this is our fashion and we got these genes are a little bit bagging. We got these hoodies and these big jackets because the oldest ship out here for a truck suits and run them

say it did this. That was hip hop break beating right when it started in the seventies at the parks and people DJ you walked on the scene, you was doing good freedom. That's the culture all saying. I'm saying the culture was those things I'm saying to encompass where

hip hop in the sensor. Yeah, like yeah, like the do you could talk it, you live it, you could talk Yeah, it becomes a living breeding like when you first seen hip hop when I was younger, Like when you've seen it from New York, Right, you could talk it. You could say so, you could say be, you can say kids, and you could tell that. As much as that was New York, that became a part of hip hop. Right, jeeks, Tim's for me backpass. You see niggas. Niggas ain't been

in school ten years wearing backpass. Hip hop is like this black hole that can sun anything and take anything in and make it cool. Kanye took Louisvaton backpacks and pink polos, pop the collar and put chains on it and can be like, I gotta bends in the backpack. And it's like jay Z saying, we don't drive X files. We give them the baby mamas. He instantly made every blackmail be like we don't drive BMW SUVs. I know they were selling BMW SUVs, wondering why the sales win,

but I'm gonna tell you women in them. But I'm gonna tell you why. I don't care about that. So what what I don't care about that part is because it becomes a money thing. And one thing, Yeah, it's not money. It's not a money thing, you right. Sometimes at his highest levels, there was conversations of beamers and Louis vatans. It's little just styled, but but it's not really style. Yes, you're just layering on top of you

just trying to one up. The last thing all any rapper today with crazy videos is trying to do today is one up what run DMC did? We all come Even though We're not in a category with Marvin Gared them from we still are all in the arena music. You're still competing with Jimmy Hendricks and what he did on stage playing the guitar, putting the acid in his eyes, and and I think the greatest people are. But but again, it's important to get people to notice about hip hop.

You know what I'm saying when the keen of being right here, it's not about money. See, money is just an easy marketing tool. Success is just easy marketing tools. Those are easy ways to get people to be involved. Everybody want to stand next to a winner, right. But it's also not the biggest ship. And that's why when the West Coast came was snooping them came. They kicked everybody ass because it didn't cost nothing before the dollars to be them. Yeah, get a dicky suit and put

some chucks on. It was sixty dollars. It's forty all outfit twin allar pants and a fucking hatt. It didn't matter. Al and them had these. You know, it was niggas in the video with the beamers and all this and extra and all this four and ship and you know one love the Dapper Dan who did all the Floyd Mayweather's outfits for long on. It wasn't about having Louis Vauton Gucci. It wasn't about that. That became ways for for people to separate themselves and they start using European

fast because it was expensive to separate theirselves. But again that's actually stylistically lazy. Yeah, it's harder to get fresh before the dollars than it is with two shirt on. And we come from a place where women go to the seven dollars stow and everybody that got some money still want to knock them down. So it's really important. Yeah, see me. So again, the reason hip hop will be struggling today, right, and it's important is because it lacks culture.

Like right, you have the Internet providing one idea, Right, everybody's saying twelve, everybody's it's these certain words that everybody's saying because they're all living their life likecariously through social media. But really, Sawyer was created by the dirt. And if you want to sell culture, right, that's what made Snoop such a phenomenon coming out. He sold the coach like

that's el the same thing they sold the culture. So your job in hip hop right, even from a record produced record producer standpoint sonically right, is to figure out the culture that's scoring that lifestyle. The reason the West Coast is struggling it so hard to get back into dominance. The culture hasn't changed, so trying to change the music it's almost kind of yeah, and it looks the same.

Everything is the same, and people are trying to It's like opening a bunch of healthful stores in the South. Still some niggas down there, Bro, niggas want season and on their food. Niggas don't want salad. Niggas want cabbage fright. Let those Santa Monica soy ribs are delicious. I'm not knocking it, but it's in Santa Monica where you eat on your Louis Place, Matt Time plays Matt Feel Me.

And I'm not knocking. I'm saying that's the that's the thing. No, I'm saying, that's the thing with hip hop hip that's what we brought to the table. You gotta think so full, bro is the worst food. Yeah, there's the slop they threw back there that was like, Okay, we ain't eating this Nashy ship. Y'all had this. Really, that's when neck bones and pig feet come from. Don't think they wanted the We got greens and rice and gravyes, so fire

and the oxtails. It's horrible oxtails. No one wants. Chicklings. Nobody wants like everybody loves oxtails, chilings, everybody nobody wants that. Do you realize what it is nobody nobody about? If you have the animal, you're eating the intestines of it. That means they already took the main part of the bacon and everything that I really didn't know it was that. But that's not crazy because you was born yesterday. I

don't mean that negatively. When I'm saying yesterday, I mean like yesterday, goddam, they ain't already had a low rider. But that's not important. The point I'm saying that at sixt when the hip hop became, that's what made hip hop so special. So yes, soulful is the scraps that the slave master. We don't want this. Y'all had this, and we figured out a way to season that ship up. And that's why greens ain't right. You had to cook

that ship all day. That ship ain't supposed to be eight people and it's supposed to be eating and the more people are willingly choosing to still eat it. And it's like, but I'm but it is. It is good. It's just not what you have to do. But no, because this is the tricky part, because it is it does taste good, right, but it's unhealthy because the reason it tastes good is because they use so many different

things that were unhealthy to make it. Like if you had soulful cook the right way, it would taste horrible, the salt and all the Yeah, it just wouldn't hit you feel me. But that's hip hop too, And this is why I said it's important. Hip hop is the same way hip hop started because these niggas didn't know how to play a ton of instruments. So hip hop writes. So when you hear them, niggas say, these are the brakes. They're talking about a break in the record, a drum

break for the most part. And you take that break and you looking boom boom boom boom boo. That's the break, right, And you took that and you built around it right, and then you started rapping, right, you start preaching your life and your lifestyle and what you were about. That's what made hip hop sweet. It was our soul full right. It was our way of saying, Okay, we don't have you know, a drummer, we don't have you know, a horn, We don't have Macyo Parker, we don't have that. We

don't have George Clinton had that. We got these technique twelve hundreds, and we're gonna make this work right, and we're gonna make music from this. That's why the world funck. We We always take stuff that it ain't supposed to be used for and use it as something it ain't even designed for. Turn the turntable into a The MPC wasn't made to make beats, something not hip hop music. It was made for a totally different genre, hip hop

producers that now, we got it. That's what and that's what into it, and that will make all this stuff great in this country. And that's why it's really important right for a producer and hip hop right to understand the essence of it. You know what I mean? It is so full. You know something, I know you didn't watch the YouTube video I sent you yesterday, the Edward Ludwig. Why I even waste my time? Why I do the same thing. We're probably all sitting in a million things.

He gets ninety calls. He only get that watch everything within the first seven days. I wouldn't burden you with that. It was a very interesting conversation. But the guy talks about kind of doing a comparing attract about the think tank I think things in China and why they struggle versus in the United States. And it has to deal with like diversity of inputs, you know, like the Manhattan Project was like genius minds from all over the place

looking at similar concept from different angles. Man Project, that's the new Clair Brown. Yeah, that just seemed like whereas the attempt to do the same thing with like like China can't produce a jet engine, you know, like it's pretty fucking stupid to think that, but it's a fact. But I don't even know if jet engines are actually cool to produce. I think other people have ethics. Well, if if you really, really, really fucking want to produce

one and you can't, that's a statement. True cool is what you just is what you desire it to be. I don't know, because the Manhattan Project probably just that probably was a bad thing. Tank It depends on people fast enough. Who you know what, We could take atoms somehow mixed and motherfucker's up and drop them and kill a million people at once. It's like that's fired. You know something, know, somebody's like there has not been a war between major power since the second one was dropped

in the world. That's crazy to think about. That's probably cause everybody looked at each other. That's that's another aspect

of the interview that you missed. But I don't know if that's sent to which I'm going to check it out right, But I don't know if I would look at it that way, I'd probably be looking at it like what the it's a little out of context from the reason that I brought it, but having to talk about like the American experience culturally is basically a bunch of people from different parts of the world with different

types of perspectives turning shipped to sugar. Like country music isn't classical music from Germany with a bunch of resources and these great symphonies. It's somebody who strung up a fucking damn banjo and was drawing into a giant bottle like out of is about Rudy like somebody on the plantation singing and like gospel, yes, but the string guitar is not in the class symphony like the dope. Thing though about music is like all music like has its

own spirit or soul to it. So it's even though that is what countries or what music, that's just popular music. That's all the genres, whatever surface level to the top. These are the popular. So there's actually a sonic for pop music as well. So there's just songs like most things or California Love, but then there's like these songs or you here, you'd be like like I get dough where it's like I don't know, or driver's license U. Olivia Rodriga likes pop breakers, Disney Kids, I get it.

Pop is supposed to be designed to be like for everybody midspect exactly. They don't like it whatever, But that's just like food. If you made fool, body's just white, right, who wouldn't season it? When you go to a tie restaurant? Me being wide, I go to a tire, How spicy do you want it? If I say typ spy, I see they're not gonna give it to me. You playing example, we need to give you some white get some yellow curry. He's like, white man, you cannot handle this, exactly, give

you that like a mild curry. The mildest heads. You know, maybe you've been there, like sweating. So Nickina as a singer, right, R and B, it's all about getting into why see all this stuff? Like I was telling you before, it's not about who's the best. And this is one thing I learned and me and Metro I've been sharing with him. Metro is just naturally American kid from where we're from, so their mentality automatically is like I'm the best. I don't care if I'm not the best. I'm the best.

Because that's kind of how we brought up your your reputation or your perceptional yourself needs to be over inflated, would you fare That's how we grew up, like people telling us that you gotta feel like you're the best on the court. You gotta think you'll give me and I'll be like why. But but the point I saying is the worst one of the things I was. I told me too when I realized this, none of these

niggas are better than us. And I'm not saying none of these niggas are not better than us, because they're not better than us. What I'm saying like, they've achieved more, but the people who are better no more. Dr Dre was learning how to play the piano when I met him. He didn't know how to play the fucking piano. And what year was up? This is two thousand and four. He could pay pianis at that point, I know, but

you don't. I have Dante, but it still irks me when I can't just sit down and just compose some I'm a great producer, but I want to be a better musician and knocking and I'm not knocking that he didn't. But the point I'm saying to you is that's what's important being schooled. Even in hip hop, it's about who knows the most. For me, who knows the most. For every idiot that you see, you think it's winning, it's some motherfucker behind him that's unbelievably brilliant. It's always that

motherfucker behind her. A question, has Drake put out anything of like substantial consequence since you learned how to play the piano? Did that just lead him to him overthinking it? And that could happen once you start seeing all the rules and stuff that you learn. The white man's instrument. It's over talent coming out of She ain't got no flavor r ship. Just that's why he gave me that look when he said you did two Parkmas done, I'll never forget that. It was like he was like, Glass,

you need to apologize, really you think so? In my mind, I'm thinking, like nig he knew it too. He was like, man, you ain't ship nothing. No. But the point I'm saying is it's about being school like I was showing you and Michael Jackson, all of this stuff is about me a school Beyonce. She's well schooled. Somebody with them is well schooled. The more you know about what the more you know about what you do, the more you be a master of it. Or you gotta get somebody that

no more. That's the truth. Like you gotta surround yourself like meetro You gotta surround yourself with people that know more and you still gotta learn. I just told you the single Ladies dance. That ship was forty years before that happened. Ship. She just flipped that ship and made

that ship hurts. That ship blew up. Now you see what I was like, Yeah, this video's gonna look like hotline bling and I want this, And I'm sure because I see what's already worked, at least what I've seen in certain stuff, and I know what you like, so I know you know what I mean. But it's still a learning thing, you know what I mean. It's always that learning thing. That's why I'm always pouring into your cup all the time, overflowing to where I know you'd be.

It'd be pouring out her ears. It just seems like it just seems like it doesn't make sense, but it makes sense. What does make sense, and what you don't want to happen is you find out late, like you know now build on what you know. Hip hop is all that same game. Like Dr Dre. He used to take pictures in front of all these records when I would be growing up, right, or like when I'll be in my car when I was driving, because this nigga been around for thirty years at that point, you know

what I mean. Like he had pictures where he just surrounded by records, vinyls, and I'll be like, man, this nigga like music a lot. I didn't realize he was given. That's like the grail behind him. He's showing me this is why, and it's things. It's more things into it than that, you know what I'm saying. But that is the start of it. That's in the beginning of the

Straight Out of Compton movie. And watch the beginning of the Straight Out of Compton would be slow music playing and show a room and they show all these records, and you show Dre laying on the ground, records around his head and all that. They show him. This is where how he became three. He is he was listening to the records, playing his mom parties DJ and watching how they reacted to it. I'm gonna flip this, speed it up, put this wrapper on it. Yep, replay how

these dudes redo it. YEP. I already see it work. That's the same thing I'll be looking at like, this is what worked. Okay, this worked in fifty four. Quincy did this with this little sixteen year old from Jersey. We need to be trying to do that. See if it work again. If it don't, well we're gonna find something else. We're gonna you gotta turn over every rock and be looking like, yeah, I can't be lazy and learning.

We don't learn that, you know what I mean. I watch you go down that course of years of just being like I don't know enough. I need to learn hip hop. I need to learn is when you have to stop putting out music. So everybody thank yo as crazy, but you need you at a place now where you could be picking it up the whole time is still

doing it. When I figured out I didn't know ship, I had already made some millions of dollars and and and sure you get into a thing and that naturally it's about money, but it's not when you fall in love with this ship. You know, whether it's R and BO hip hop, man, it'll be the greatest reward you ever had. Mary J. Blis sing everybody else song for Forever, Forever, feel me and something about us. You know where we don't embrace the past enough as a as a as

a people, you know what I mean. But the ones who do, like Dr Dreda embracing them records and Beyonce embracing you know, that culture that dance, and they're the winners. Jay Z putting up certain symbols that you've never seen as a hundred years old. When you embraced the past. You're truly the winner. Nobody who just pushing at the future is a winner. Nobody. They all act like they is, but rest assured behind closed doors, they're looking backwards. Who's

what they do? They did that? Okay, that's what we need to do. I keep telling you. The person who probably created big cooin, right, was thinking of gold, Like what if gold was a real concept? You know how we both realized gold isn't necessarily a real concept because

it's not as rare as they say. Yeah, I've reading that book, Like Craig Wright was the first person to have a sports gambling gaming internet website in the United States, and then there were issues and then bitcoin, yeah, like, but think of the intellectual arrogance to not look back at the foundation and the process of thought, Like, oh, you think you're the first person to think of that,

Like anybody doesn't. Yeah, even with bitcoin, there has been multiple things like e cash and other digital attempts where they couldn't solve the double spin problem. They couldn't solve certain things where it didn't work out for whatever reason. Like when you're trying to make the light but you don't make one, you have to make a thousand Once it flickers on, how do you keep it on for more than three seconds? The motherfucker keep going out. How do you keep it on for more than an hour?

How do you make it to where they flick it ten thousand times? It keeps on? And all these are problems you have to keep solving over and over and over. So even with something like you know, with the crypto with bitcoin, there's been all these other attempts that bigcoin has been able to build on top of and be like, oh, they did this and this and this and that's up. Didn't just pop up? And that's our job in hip hop, that's your job. In R and B, that's our job

to build on the design. That's the confusion is to re event. Can I say this? Loope said this on his album Food Only. He said, did you improve on the design? Did you do something new? That was a bar he set on Food and Leaguer? Did you improve on the design? Did you do something like you're supposed to take that design and changes just a little and then it looks brand new to people. Michael Jackson looks like,

where did this come from? This isn't just watch this and it was like, they really don't know that, and I became the biggest of all time a movie. Nipsey White read two pages that Contagious was like a cheap steak for a hundred dollars. Let me try an album, first album ever, for a hundred dollars. It's like, Oh, you have to do was look a little bit. The answers are like verge people just don't look. It's like clues. Yeah, and once you find it, yeah, like, oh my god,

I missed it the whole fucking time. I told him that that's why I read so much. You don't read for every word you read it for that was one to three gyms in the whole book and your yeah, man, So again, that's what hip hop is all about. That's really what this ship is about. It's about improving on the design. Everybody improved on the design. That's what it's about. That's what soul for was. It was about taking again. Oh y'all, that's what you're going throws. Watch this now,

we're gonna sell it back to y'all white people. What is up now in the backhouse trying to eat nigger ship? That the part of that Wait a minute, bro, you got the good ship over there right now back you know what you know, I mean eating tie and ship like that ship is poor people food. Yeah, I mean I mean like even your favorite white dish. Oh that's a tough question. I don't have a favorite really anything

like that's pretty and that's pretty something. But like like like you were talking about and like you know how like like Sicily and the mob came from basically like a sharecropper economy. Right, well, you watched good Fellows like eight Trips and frees pig Guts, right like that's something that was three posses Spanish trips is you know, it's poor people, poor grarian you got stuck with what the

funk he got stuck with? But when you think about how great season it is, I understood why they traded people for it. Yeah, I was like war, Like the King of England, the home of the blandest food in the world, sent people out. I don't care how far you have to go. I don't care if you have to go to fucking India, which I don't even know exists yet to find some spices. You better getting that goddamn boat yet, think salt kept meat like uh, good

preserved through the winter. So people for seasoning, it's like, you know what, we want that flavor? What's up? Like, you gotta think season is the most expensive in the grocery store. They got seed. I think like the second most expensive substance on earth behind pure heroin powder is what's it called? No, the herb um saffron? Oh wow, it is a lot of seasonings. When you go in the alley, it'd be when you're like, what is seven dollars? Figg?

What you don't want to get a couple of these? Really? Yeah? Man, I lost my whole kitchen and I do not want to go replace my kitchen. I had all the whole season fortune. We are this seasoning to life. Us Black folks, we are the season than to life. Imagine this life without us, it just be bland, no black people. I imagine without hip hop, Like what would the world be to be just like Britney Spears Hell No, I mean nothing against her, but no,