Conversations About Diss Records

I'll say the one that I have memorized that it's never left my brain was second Round Knock Knockout the Cannabis Joint And would you like so much about it? He just went in. The beat was hard, he had Tyson on it. It was raws and he was just getting off. Like everything he was saying was like personals, like he it was a Noho's bar. He just went at until he came back and water the ass. Hold, I don't even get into I don't know if that's true. And we go man. He said that Nigga, it Will said,

you're swinging. You're swinging a rusty sword, but I swing the excalibur. That's great. It went in on that nigger. Man. He went on that you for your vanguard or the ward for your front of your mom, your first, second, and third bar barn? What else did he says? Make your mom get on the horn called minutes the fair Fair con Yeah, I know, what's your favorite diss record of all time? Big bro? Man? You know what, Man?

I got so many on so many different levels. Man, I kind of like when MC like, we're answering their ass out with temper cent disc up. You know what I'm saying. Your sister used to listen to that, You know what I'm saying, because it's like that's where you get the whole ship goddamn hole. He we go again. You know a bunch of motherfucker's. Whenever you get people quoting your dishes, Dog, it's like even niggers don't quote

that goddamn hole. Here we go again. And that was the first time I really heard somebody cussing on the record like that, like damn, Like, oh, you know what I mean? But I would have to say, man, possibly one of the greatest dish tracks of all time. It's ice Cube no Vaseline Dog. It's my favorite record of all time because it was just so it was just

so personal dog like, you know. It's like because Cube was being cool, he had this amicable split to where he wasn't saying nothing, and they kind of went in on him a little bit, you know, with a skit. It's like it was the equivalent of me hitting somebody with a spit ball and then turning around with an a K forty seven and just opened the my chest up. Damn damn, because that's what it was. They came with a skill we gonna cook your curl off of fuck you ice Cube and this and that little skit that

sounded good. Who he came back with, God damn, I'm glad, y'all set it off, which is kind of a little old m C light this. God damn hoh, here we go again. God damn. Mom legs, y'all set it off. Used to be hard. Now you just wouldn't. So first she was done with the a K. Now I see you on a video. I seen that video. I've seen that video for the first time. The other day was Easy and it was a mission lay South. I think it was Nicety and or something. Niggas was dressed like

Easy was dressed like an angel. Or something, and Dre had on this weird suit and I was like, damn, I never seen this video. But then it made no Vasiline make so much more sense. I was like, Oh, I get what he meant now, I see you on the video with Mission La, no Sailing, no ceilings, g L. My man Peter running a little late. He was watching some clothes. I thought he was hanging out with a horror.

I brought my man Tony Nario, one of my partners, you feel Me Rhyme, a real hip hop historian um hip hop in his title you Feel Me So, and the cord is my big bro, my manager and resident and the reason I actually podcast for real big stealers here. And it's dope to have y'all here to talk about this conversation because between both of your knowledge of hip hop, with neither one of you guys being from New York,

I thought, that's dope what you're saying. I thought it's dope that neither one of y'all are from New York. But with y'all two together, I have a ton of like, I can access a ton of things about hip hop because of how deep y'all go back into the culture. And y'all love it, especially in New York. Y'all have a very serious preference of New York hip hop or hip hop or New York sympathizers very much. So you agree with, yeah, a little something something, Man, I'm just

like good records. Dog, I don't really know if I'm a New York simple thighs are so to speak, because they haven't been making. You know, they got some cool records now, dogs, I ain't this in New York. I don't want to said. You didn't want to tell the truth. You just you know, they're not really making. They're not really they're not really bringing no heat like that right now. Dog, Okay, that's cool. It's not wrong with that. We gotta put they got some cats, you know. It's the usual suspects.

They're making the right records, like Nas is doing his thing now. Um and he had a debate about that the other day. He don't agree that Nas has has dropped three classic projects back to back, just silly. He has two weird saying that about Nas, especially these three because his boy is my young nigga man. So to have to debate with you that they are not classics,

it's obvious they're not classics. Is the NAS is the um is the comeback artist of the year, though, Dog for him to reinvent himself the way he did Dog, and he didn't. He's going into his twentieth year. Dog, he didn't reinvent himself. He didn't himself. He working with younger artists. Now, huh, what is he now? He did he reinvented himself. Let production, Dog and everything. Let me ask you trying to say hit boy is a better

producer than the guys he was working with. That's what you want to do, That's what you want with this his first Grammy. Yeah, but the Gramm is a small bunch of people saying they like your music. That ain't what the public saying. And that's cool though, because I'm trying to get them small amount of people to say Glass I'm not. I'm just saying I agree that he's took him in a different direction that he hasn't been in. But I wouldn't say that these are three classics, and

I wouldn't say he reinvented himself. But since we're talking about nas right, this will be the first time I ever admitted this publicly. Nas be jay z in that battle all of us. Never, I wouldn't ever ever, I would never answer the question. Initially for me, I would never answer the question where people say who like nobody cared? Who want the battle? Who won the war? That was always my response when people would talk about the battle between j and Nas. I'm like, man, who won the war?

You feel me? That was my respond when somebody said you want the battle. But for the first time in my life, I'll admit Nas won the battle, and I'll admit Ether is a top five all time greatest dish record. It might be number two. It's between hit him Up and that one. M oh hit him up with some ship, you know what? You know what? I loved hit him

Up as a record dog. What I didn't like about it was that it was so personal, but either was personally when you know what Ether had to be personal you think about it, ja, not the niggas baby Mama down that that didn't come out till after that was after well, he said in the takeover, because you know who, did you know what to you know who to keep that between me and you? But he didn't, Yeah, but

it was implied he didn't say it. I think we were on the West, so we didn't know, but I think it was a common kind of gossip point in New York that he had knocked down Carmen So when he said that don't take up takeover as a nasty as dish record over. Actually, if they had a different timeline, those records came out of different sequences, Like Jake got two emotional on on Super it was just two emotional. It was like it was like it was it was whack dog And it was so uncharacteristic of jacause j

is always the cool nigger. I guess picture and Papa some penis just sitting back right in his bar, like, yeah, I'm about to serve this nigging. I'm gonna tell you who else to funk niggers over and he's probably gonna go down. It's one of the greatest dis nigger makers of all time. Is push your teeth man, that push your to the drake. That ship was like, and that's I'm gonna tell you why pushing T is. So I'm gonna tell you why and push your t almost got

my favorite disc record of all time. I'm not mad at he almost got it, because not only did he put off quality disc records. They was against the top flight opponents, like he only against he only yeah when he went at Wayne, that's when that's mixtape wheezy. You see what I'm saying. He served Wayne? Um, I was glad. You know I wouldn't say served Wayne. Wayne definitely didn't push the battle dog contract or funk up against That means you all fucked up. You signed a one, niggative

signed to another, niggat signed a three. But again, those those weren't dish records. Those was bars within regular joints. Don't get me wrong here. That story of of yeah, whatever how you pronounced that Addie down or however you pronounced it, that ship was like, what's crazy? Is like that? That dis record was so fucking dope. I remember listening just being like, damn, this nigger sounds like a nigg out the nineties. But speaking of that nigger he was battling.

Feel me, Drake back to back should be in the top ten disc records of all time. Drake understood Dog, I think Drake really understood and Drake and Rap Dog, I'm like, I'm Drake and rap his as I and I get a lot of slack. I think people think of me like I hate drinking. It's like, bro, if you met Drake, I met him. He's a cool guy like I have. He's one of those guys you're happy for when they win. But I've always been honest and understand that he's not hip hop. He's not a part

of the culture. And I'm not saying the part of music. He's not a part of what hip hop is, and you don't have to be he's one. You don't think he's the embodiment of embodiment of hip hop. I'm sure he would disagree, because everybody wants you he said who. I think he's a cat that loved and respects the art form. No, I think on I think he's a super fan of it. I think he has an entitlement to be around it and he does study it. It's a lot of love for Drake Drake has for hip hop. Man,

I'm not saying that. That's not the point I'm saying with hip hop embodies, he doesn't embody and that's fine. You don't have to what I'm saying. It's the confusion that you have to that Nigga is one of the greatest rappers ever. It's a fantastic manage stream rapper, but again back to Back. It's one of those joints that's

a top ten Dish record. I'm saying. When you hear back to Back, and I listened to it the other day, I was actually trying to funk with the hats from from it for it on another record I had, and it's just really really good. Yeah, I feel really uncomfortable for Meet Meal. When Drake came up with it, I said, damn me, what's funny is I found myself because I felt like Meet kind of opped out on some weird ship like tom a niggas retweeting albums. I kind of

look like he was reaching dog. I think nothing. You know what? Meek though, he thought that Drake was the soft, light skinned white boy in high school and he thought he was gonnaight. So I found myself kind of rooting for him, Drake to stand up for itself and man, when he dropped back the back, I remember just being enamorous. So which brings me to my next question, where did it go from battling? Like right? So? To me, the greatest Dish record of the eighties is people say Roxane,

but I think Revenge It Rod. But I think the greatest dish record of all time at that time period is I mean, of all time in the eighties is the bridge is over? Mmm. I would probably give you that dog because at that time you gotta remember cares One was coming from a position of being a he wasn't. He wasn't his popping as to choose true Juice Crew

was popping at that time. Of course, it's almost the equivalent that something Niked coming out of nowhere and just this and TV and then and then having to say, like, really, you know what I'm saying, it really happening to where he liked talking about he running through the Nickerson Guardens, he coming to company and doing this and he really smashed n from Gardina or something, you know what I'm saying. So the question I'm asking not from Guardina. The Bronx

is not Guardina. That's no. My Nigga is gonna pack you out over there. Uh And Gardena ain't no pump, but they ain't the Bronx. It's just different. But I would say the Bronx is probably more watts than anything

else Bronxes some ship. But so no, the question I was asking is when did it go from simple battling like that time with them dudes could battle and hash out they they you know, who wants to be better on records into where it's that now where this records are getting people killed, like with with with you know what possibly happened with young Dolf where dis records for sure got him shot up a couple of times, for sure got him shot up a couple of times those

same ditch records. And they were saying the same ship about each other, Like it wasn't like Chris, you know caress one was and Attis was like, hey, you know I rap better than you guys, I'm just better. He was talking shit. He was talking about how how you look niggas swag, nigga's bummy, talking about the whole town like he literally talks Yeah, Like he went also, how didn't at that time because he was saying the same

fucked up ship. How at that time was it just battling versus today where it's like literally like this ship is a real implication of like niggas is tripping over it. Well, I think I think it's gotten worse, but I think it was always that, Like didn't Cube and Lynch Rob have like issues with Easy Ease Crew, and like there was fights and stuff that broke out. It didn't it didn't get you know, that far, because I don't think that,

like it's kind of weird, man. I think again, I hate to always connect it to this, but social media has really created this extra level of bravado and embarrassment and like where you can't like someone can't say nothing because like you, you know, you could be tuned in live and some you know, you might have fifty just fifty followers or people fifty people viewing, but to you, that's the whole world. If somebody this is you, So now you feel like you gotta you know, uh, protect

your manhood. And and that's and these dudes are young, so they're young dealing with this um a lot of them.

But like in the young Dolf case, like I mean, he's an older guy, right, he was about thirty something, thirty six, thirty seven, So you know, at that point, I think, now you start dealing with cruise and the young cats that run with the older dudes and and O g s not really doing stuff to prove the right, you know, and and then older guys you know, not acting accordingly bro, Like, I think we run into that all the time. Probably all three of us still glasses me.

You know, we yeah, we're we're older, but we still relatively look young. We we we've taken care of ourselves. We're not big, you know, we don't wear ourselves out. So sometimes you you know, certain cats, they come to you and you try to give them grown advice even though we might look young. Up here is where it's at, so we're giving actual knowledge and understanding. Like, yo, Bro, I wouldn't do that because this that in the third whereas uh, it's a lot of dudes that are older.

Now I won't name any names, but you know, some cats that I look at already in their late forties, early fifties, and they still out there kind of acting like young dudes. So if they're not giving guidance to these young boys, like my favorite story was when they said, uh Nori said that you know, they was gonna go at uh pock with the disks. I'm sorry, not pock uh DPG with the l A L A record And Big told him, and Big was still young at the time,

but was their big homie. He was still older than them, and he was like, nah, man, don't respond to that, like that's what you should be doing, right, but not saying that what you say that they're gonna follow, but just saying that at least try try to implement something to where they it detours them from doing that kind of bullshit because they real trigger happy now and and it's not people say put the gun down and fight. Man.

Now they take an ass whooping and they still you whip their ass, They're gonna come back and shoot you. You know what, I never thought about that. He made a good point. Kill get end up getting into it ruthless, they end up fighting where at Jack the rapper, right, Yeah, but you know, in those situations, g there was never the remote possibility of somebody getting killed. I don't think. I don't. I don't think they believe. I believe that just me talking to different casts like Bob around there.

It was some scraps because you gotta remember with them it was too because it just wasn't a rap record. Because I heard actually nigga sat around to laugh about that ship. I heard when they heard it was like, damn, that ship is hard, you know what I mean. I'm cool. I know them niggas. First off, my man, Pete has jumped, Pete has entered and checked. Yeah, you know, let's let's keep laying on this g because at that time, man, you gotta remember, right, Bob was doing a lot of

production for Ques. But at that time, you know, at that time when he went solo and Stuffy and he and he still knew Ran and them because you know, he was the in the house producer for Ruthless at that time, you know, he kind of took that stuff over and it was some laughs and jokes about that. You gotta remember, his beef wasn't really n W eight. That was more side crew stuff. Q wouldn't fight nobody.

Lynch Mob was scrapping. But but I'm saying then that means if you can fight, that means it's possible somebody can shoot. I'm gonna tell you the thing that Tony said about social media and just the youth of today, and this ain't. I ain't gonna turn this into no thing like the day's kids all bad because a lot of ways, and because in a lot of ways, the youth for this era are more mature than the so called Oh jeez, look at the madness that's going on

online all these dudes over for the you know. But the thing, you know, keep keeping this about hip hop, dog, I just think right now, the lightest on you so much. See back then, you can get beat up and nobody would ever see the fight. They would just hear about it. You feel what I'm saying. It was the same thing with music. People were just kind of here and they didn't get to see who all went through stuff. It's like, now you did somebody you go see a video to

come along with it. They go climb and they may be going through your neighborhood. So if you've come to a little bit of like just an extra you brisk and extra arrogance, dude, where when you're pride of your egoist bruised, it's almost like equipment that somebody getting their grass whoop in front of their girl because their girlfriend got to hear this record. They're like, damn, he fu my dude up. You know what I mean. It's like some ships you just came to, not m hm. And

I think people can't handle it, bro. Sometimes people can't handle get hit in my front of their girl. Well. I think what's crazy too, is that even East Coast hip hop now it's gotten violent where there's used to be more on wax. I don't know if you guys agree or not, but I felt like it was more understood that or expected for a West Coast beef to actually happen where someone might get shot or beat up

or something like that. You know what I mean. And it's all about I'm gonna tell you social media and the Internet plays a huge part of it because now what it is, you just don't have the respect of the perspective crews going back and forth. You have these people online that don't have a life, and people look at the comments. Dude, If you look at the comments, people take sides. They become a part of movements. So when you to do this, you know that that possibly

took the bad one and one of these battles. You know, you can't help you get looking at the comments and all that stuff. You're like, because it seems so much bigger than what it is in reality, nobody gives a funk, you know what I'm saying. I never what's funny is I never thought to myself like um as like with the dish records, people dishing each other. I don't think I tris made a good point. Maybe it's never been

like that. Maybe that's all in our head that it was a space too to put out a record disrespecting somebody else and then not actually become real world consequences. I'm gonna tell you what what the traders are saying it rings so true. And you know, when did we start a podcast? It was a while ago, right, it was way before things or something. Yeah, so you figured when we started to do there weren't as many people

from the hip hop community involved in podcasting. And I don't want to be hypocriticals because because we are members of the hip hop community that got started early on in the technology. You're right, But since hip hop has got involved in podcast and I'm gonna tell you, they

brought a certain level of bullshit to it too. So it's like it's I think it's just a confrontational art form anyway, bro, And especially today, you know what I'm saying, Everything is highlighted, everything is right there in front of you kind of roll and you can't escape it because you would be sitting down watching the movie on your phone and a notification to pop up with somebody talking ship from Australia to you. But again it's it's not even that's true. It does feel like it's a bigger

world problem, but it's still very minimal, very minimal. But what's funny is it ain't exclusive to just hip hop. What I'm saying, Jamaine Jackson, this is brother. You fear me. Michael Jackson. You got a disrecord card word to the bag? You ever heard that peak? Yeah, huh, you can't do that. Just you just pick size. That's one thing I never did. I never picked size. I don't pick size. Maybe the closest I've picked a side in was Drake and Meek because I just wanted Drake to stand up for himself.

I thought that was pick a side. I wanted me to come back and I wanted was that even you picking inside or just you liking the record more? Well, No, I wanted Great to stand up for himself. That was the thing. Like I didn't I thought that if if it's because your friends and you was disappointed that because didn't treat your album, you know, you could get on the phone a text cause and say, hey man, damn

I need you to please tweet my album. Versus you know, maybe you asked him once and you don't want to ask him a second or third time. So your feelers was hurt. So then you decided, Okay, well I'm gonna get online and go at him regard it is just the truth for not you know, if that's your partner, where you funk with him, I mean, you could have did that. So I did want Drake to stand up. So that's the closest. But even with Cube and in

w A, I never picked a side. When I was younger, with Dre and Easy, I enjoyed all the Dish records. I never picked a side. I never had to pick between Dred or Real or motherfucking jeez, you know, I never picked between those. What's your favorite dish record peak of all time? Oh? Man, that's that's a tough one. There, there's there's actually kind of soon some all right? Was you know? Um? I think I think what t I

did the flip was pretty impressive. That was pretty all right. Um, some of the little back and forth in the day area been kind of cool. Real motherfucking Jesus is actually

really good. That's pretty good. Like he the foot, All the records that were actually like big hit records that were diss records are definitely the best funny is Dre fun with Dre on the on the chronic that is one of the most like underrated and disrespected this of all times, we never talked about it because it was such a big smash record that I think we forget it was a straight up this. I didn't forget that Ship is amazing, but we never name it. And it's

a fantastic this they cut off. Well, I think, yeah, it was composed as a record. Easy also was never really respected as a rapper like that. I think that

has a lot to do with Ship. Yes, I did when I was younger, but uh, real, motherfucking Jesus is like I said, when he came back with it, I thought it was just yeah, Loki, Okay, let me rephrase that, not as a rapper, but like as a like battle rappers at one time before that was happening with Cuban them like Cubas also kind of like looked at like almost like the lyricism of the East Coast mcity right like that was the whole the whole conversation back then.

How good he was. So although I'm agreeing with you with Easy, he said, what you know, how good he was? Was he really looked at as an MC at that time. I mean, I don't think RAP. I'm too young, but I don't think RAP. I mean, maybe did you gotta ask stealing them? I don't think RAP had that stigma of Maybe in New York they probably would have been talking about Easy, But I think the rest of the country took Easy East serious as hell, and he was a lot of people's favorite rapper. Off you guys, you

don't mind. I think he was dope man. Easily didn't give a funk about none of that ship. I'm gonna tell you know, Bob told me Easy to allay all all that ship was hilarious. He didn't care because Easy was in there for the coin. Man Easily give a funk about being looked at us the most revered rapper of all time. Easy wanted to check right because he made sure he had dope motherfucker's right in that city. Was saying, is it fair to say that Easy knew

how to sell culture before snooped it? The coach? Absolutely? Yeah. I think Iced Tea set the tone first, um with how you talk about it. Like before Iced Tea, everybody would be rapping about you know when it came to gangster rapp, they still would be rapping about being a dope rapper or about how good they DJ was, as well as the street stuff. I think with Iced Tea, you got the first record that was big where it wasn't about being a rapper. He didn't say ship about wrapping,

he didn't say about DJs. He was like, yo, this is how we live in six in the morning, police shot my door fresh and the squeak across the bathroom floor out my back window to make my escape. Like he was just rapping about what it was like for them dudes when they and you know, and he was out there. So okay, So moving forward where huh? I also asked the questions a few minutes, thought, I look at kind of now it's been a little bit of an uptick, and like, I don't know how you got started.

I wasn't here, but it seemed like you guys are kind of starting off how kind of getting manifestation of disk records kind of spilling over into a little bit

more than verbal yeah lately. Yeah, And like for me personally, like I kind of and a tweener a little bit on generations and lived in a lot of cities back to back to back coming up, and I get the impression that, like the guys say, who came up in the eighties and nineties, like it was hard out, like it was a different time in eighty eight than it wasn't two thousand and eight, you know, just out there, and I feel like people to some degree had a

little bit more respect for the other guy. And you come up and it's a little more top like when I had first moved to Oakland and know four people were polite in the club because it popped off so immediately that there was a looming cloud of consequences of all times. After a while, about about two thousand and fifteen in l A, what the riever funk they wanted and a lot of people just kind of really, this guy's just kind of all talk. And I feel like it got to a point where a lot of guys

shot their mouth off a lot. And now you get on the podcast to get and a record. It can be kind of subtle. It can be like, oh, we took a jab in him. People now get on Instagram and get on a podcast whatever, and they're taking these long winded life way over the line attacks on people thinking they're not gonna do anything, and now they're actually doing something. And I think there's probably a little bit of a learning curve with the way people will conduct

themselves is regards to respecting that the other guys. Am I gonna do something to you? Kind of Yeah? Yeah, But but what blows me away is this is not like exclusive to our culture, you know, exclusive like if you listen to UM, if you listen to Cordido's music, right, which is like that UM I call that's like Mexican cowboys. It's all about drug stories and ranchers and all of that, but it's really Mexican cowboys, and all of the ship

itself was just about they have disc records. Motherfucker's is getting killed over records, all kind of ships. Some of the greatest cordido singers and of all time. If me got killed in the middle of rivalries between two different clicks where both clicks have a singer that represent them and they're talking about the other one, so yeah, go ahead. Now I was gonna say that also has to do with what they're saying. Yeah, but but but what that's my point. I think I think it was always bad.

I think now like if you look at the movement going on Jacksonville or the movement going on in Chicago. Obviously, now when they're making and composing these dish records, niggas is actually starting to talk about niggas dead friends and relatives. Like it's a song I always talked about, but it's out of Jacksonville. It's called who I Smoke? I thought

were great. Yeah, so again it's it's one of those places to where I think we like to sensationalized the past, the eighties and the nineties, and like, oh it was cool. You could just put out dish records and niggas wouldn't

have no problems. But like I said, Tony just made a good point, like shit, if if Cube is fighting niggas at a jack the Rapper, if Cuban and Lynch Mob is fighting niggas at a music convention, ship niggas was fighting in Q got into a situation with Cam where one of Cam's friends they got into it like a physical altercation. Um, the whole death row snoop, you know, I mean, Pox gives me biggie thing that really didn't

manifest into many fights and nothing. I mean, well, how about the quick thing that seemed like Quick came out consciously and put out the track to kind of gave some respect to what's going on, to try to make that out happen. Yeah, but even then, Yeah, that's true. I mean so, I don't quite know why back then, because them disse records were really bad, like dollars in

sense my DJ Quick was really really bad. I think part of that was he had an impression like, hey, I made this a little bit more than a rap track, and those guys are right two lights down, and I think word gotta roight. I should probably come out and say so a little bit different, just pure speculation, but it wouldn't be irrational. Yeah. Yeah, So again it's one of those things where I can't really give you a good point of view, like I can't really tell you

like what's really going on. Mm hmmm. I have no idea again tying it into maybe the Internet, social media, uh, young boys, boys and and older people just just in general people well desensitized. I don't but I don't even know if it's that right. I think that metaverse is

a real thing. You feel me where you know maybe you're not hearing it, because back in the day you would hear it on the streets, right you would hear it on the streets, So if you went outside, you're gonna hear like so right now, you're gonna hear it in the metaverse if you log on feel me, if you log on the streets, the metaverse street, you know, I mean the social media streets, they could get rough

for you because that stually could get bad. So do you think someone that has to do with the fact that now the money so big that its some as you start recording, like you're kind of out of there to some degree. The more I think about it and talking to you all about it, you know what it is, hip hop and his truest form is a poor sport.

It's a culture to work and and it's the same thing with gang banging, Like gang banging has this negative connotation, but the reality is it's just very primitive, you know what I mean. It's a primitive way of solving everything.

Everybody's operating in safe mode, basic, you know, I mean, like there there aren't a ton of sophisticated solutions the things because people don't have a ton of stuff to live for, you know, they and weird situations where they can't take care of their kids there and weird situations where they can't earn a livable wage. Stuff that we talk about, you know, which makes you value life a lot less, what I'm saying. So, I think that's why hip hop kind of carries this stigma along with it,

especially now with so many more rappers. Right, there's so many more rappers in hip hop, but hip hop is a poor sport. So again that behaviors at times are very primitive. They don't have sophisticated solutions. Again, because let's say the person who shot off, right, Let's say Dalf got killed because of the beef he had with the other rappers in Memphis. It wasn't most likely it wasn't

either of the two millionaire rappers that shot him. I mean, it could be a poor nigger that funk with them, a couple of poor niggers that funk with him, trying to pull their point, I mean, trying to gain rank within the organization and finally caught up to somebody, and now they're finna get their points without even the other rappers even knowing they're being affiliated with. Okay, and that you're saying, right, I mean, so at one time it was just on with all of them. For me, it

was just on. So I'd imagine I could be wrong, but I would like to believe bullets was going back and forth to some degree. I don't think it was just one true sending bullets. I'm saying. I don't think that. So I don't think huh if that was the case, that got there sooner and the terms, yeah, yeah, exactly, So I don't think that. Um, I don't think that they necessarily needed an improval because it never was off. It was always on. So you know, again, these dudes

are part of gangs and cruise and ship. And again maybe maybe if Yo Gotti has a situation, Yo God, he's not gonna get out the car and shoot everybody. Because he's a million dollar nigga. He gonna think about his life. His life got value, so he's gonna be real careful on what he do. What I'm saying, But the nigga that is trying to prove itself to Yo Gody, that belongs to the click, that thing loyal to falls this way and they'll do that ship for free, feel me.

And again, if it ain't off, it ain't off. Not to mention, let's say, if something's going on between two cruis and something happened to one of that Nigga family members. For me, it didn't happen to no, no, no, let's say the big Man, but happened to some soldiers family members.

He might can't let it go. Yeah, but again, so you don't think it ties into the into the actual, into the actual social media and just like when I'm talking about it's a senseless killing, like being desensitized to the fact that we see it all the time now, whether someone getting hit by a car or ran over, thrown off a claire for just random things that happened right like you you you really see people dying on social media, so it kind of becomes like, oh damn.

Like obviously you feel sympathetic and empathetic when someone gets killed and shot, and you know, like, but think about it, like when the kid x x X tent passed away and they're filming him while he's shot, Bro, what are you doing? What are we doing as a society? Bro? The conversation right there. But I agree, I mean, I just think it's in though, I mean, I mean, but but again, yeah, maybe you're right. I mean, but then you can blame call of duty, you can blame grant

them all that. I agree with it. I mean again ties into two movies and all kinds of stuff. Right, absolutely, Again, I don't know if the issue again is um something simple ast Oh, people are okay with other people dying because I think we all understand that and know that that has to happen. Even if we don't accept it, we understand it's going to happen. I think the massive society understands that. Yeah, but that's what you're talking about,

something like knowing someone eventually will die. Like yes, like what we're saying pre gangs and stuff, there was always war historically, they were always war with people dying, you know what I mean. This is not exclusive to hip hop or our communities right where people die you know, period. Again, But wouldn't you say that even gangs at one time had a code of ethics, Like dudes are getting smoked in front of their kids now bro in front of

their wives. Yeah, but it's always gonna now determine your upbringing determines your ethics, right or if you care about how you would go out, then you will make those decisions. But again, man, people are doing some unsavory ship. Like, one thing I've I've learned to do is never say what I won't do because I don't know what's gonna compel me to do something. Again, I'm one of those types of people that always believe, like, I'll never let

people make me not be me. But then again, you know, the more things you get to lose and the more people you love and you care about, certain ships start making you your character starts to devolve or evolve what I'm saying, and then you start making different decisions based off what you have to lose. Right, and I get what you're saying. I guess like like like like prime example, like as a rapper, right, if I'm I'm not really trying to dis other rappers, I have no problem doing it.

But I'm not because for sure, I'm not dissing niggas for free. Like I look at a lot of niggas home. Funny, like these niggas are dissing each other's free. What is the price for one of your dis tracks? Because I might start to go only this and the nigga if the world is watching, cannot this is a nigga for free? Can I disagree with you? Though? They're not dissing each other for free. They're dissing each other for popularity, bigger on on on to get likes, to to go viral.

And I'm gonna tell you the problem in that, Like right, rest is soul Draco recipes for me, real talent to them seat when he dissed all of Inglewood, you as an Inglewood native, right you immediately have to have a feeling mindus that how much how much more popular can you get from this in Inglewood when you pass Nevada and don't nobody care about who you this it from Englewood? Like free to me, it's just if California, If Southern California is watching you, that's for free. I'm not gonna

beef with another average below average Southern California rapper. Like if we're gonna beef, feel we're gonna get in the streets. I ain't gonna make no records. I ain't gonna talk about you on live. I'm not gonna talk about you on a radio interview. If we got beef for me, I'm not making no. A lot of niggas are gang members and they're making records about other gangs, like that's whack for me, Like, I'm not mad at no nigga who did it, But that's whacked to me because it's

like what you're trying to insult them. I ain't never had beef with another hood and we're trying to assault each other. I'm not gonna meet you at the Shopper Center and be talking about your mama. Like, if we got issues, nigga, it's real issues, So feel me. It's real smoke that come with that. Ain't no joke, ain't no talking. I'm not even with the whole writing nigga's hoods on walls and whacking them out that ship, laying to me, if we've really got some problems, feel me.

Let's get to the problems for real. But that's me and I'm and what I'm saying back to the point where Draco like him beefing with Inglewood is free. It has no real value. It literally can only come with trauma to what it did right, and it may had nothing to do, you know, the minds may have nothing to do with that particular situation, but it only could end that way. There was no way to go up because you are in the war in this and all

of Inglewood. So if I'm with him, I would have told you straight up, like, because bro, like that ain't worth it. Someone asked me, like you from Ingleood. I'm like, well, I'm I'm from Inglewood for show because I grew up in Ingwood. I go, I go, I go, but I go. When I've seen the record personally, I mean you yeah, But I didn't think it was a good record personally, So at that point I was just like, whatever, dude, like, he's not even good. That's how I felt right and then.

But what I did tell them was now, the guys who represent the city, whether Mexican, black or whatever from Soldiers, I'm like, they might have a whole another outlook on how they look at it. I don't know. I can never speak for them because I don't do that, you know what I mean. I'm not in those trenches. But I wanted to connect to what you're saying, though. G Like, with everything you're saying, it's like, when did it go from just this competitive rat right to where it's at now.

Somewhere along the line, I feel like you had situations. But for the most part, for the most part, usually the disc records were supposed to be about who was the better rapper, and then at a certain point, once the money came into play, it became about I'm better and I have more money than you, and I have more bitches than you, and I got more cars than you, and I got whatever. It was, right like, it was like I'm just better than you in life, you know

what I'm saying. And and then that starts demeaning. Somebody say you do have more money than them or whatever like that leads to this and this real negative tension. So again, I think you always had that situation, but the early stages of hip hop was generally about who was better. Like the bridges over was literally about my borrows better than your borrow, right like yeah, but even then it was really disrespectful. What was it though? I mean it was, but I mean, where they're gonna kill

each other over it? My fight. But that's my point, Like, here's the truth. If Chris goes the car as one, because if the teacher goes through Queens Bridge, let's say it goes to the housing project in Queen's Bridge, he probably doesn't leave there. Probably don't leave there, you know what I mean, he probably won't leave there right after the bridge is over. How that felt. If you're from Queen's Bridge and you go to them projects, you probably

don't leave there. So then so then it's fair to say we can tie it into social media, because now they will do that just to go I mean your hood, I mean your three in the morning. That happened with a cool dude, Kafani from the Bay and that's how he got I got paralyzed. And but Fani is dope, is folk? Who's that young kid? Did you show me his video? Bro? That he he did the video at the guys cemetery or like his Oh that's insane, bro.

But again again it's one of those things where in that situation, it's still different, right because both of those guys are you know, top tier rap there above the average folk. There in that to me, there in that three percent out of rappers that people know, right, So yes, that's even though it's interesting. National brands huh, national brands for sure, Yeah, their national brands. So those two going at it, that's cool, you see me, Like, I get that,

even though the deaf part that is big creepy. But I mean people talked about it for a day, so maybe that what he was trying to get, Like back to Draco, that ship is for free because you're not talking to national brands, you're talking about something with a whole city. I'm again, he's this in some rappers, but he he's also this in the streets. Who did he this? Because I never heard the names? So his his situation was with the love Honny ask chike uh A couple

of dogs. But who was the other couple of other duds MAKA with that dope Frosty some really all of them guys, all of me, Draco, they was all really spectacler. Draco was like a real trendsettor. Like to me, Draco in one take, j are they have the most you know, they're the most influential rappers on the West Coast in the last probably five years, six years, like people got you know a lot of people kind of are influenced by what they do on the mike. So again, I

wouldn't do this ship for free. But I'm not fin a battle a nigga from l A. I'm not fin a disrecording a nigga from l A that that ain't even further than I am. Like if you just when I'm at or below where I'm at. Feel me if you're not like a platinum, multi platinum artist like I'm a gold artist. If you're not a multi platinum artist like, I'm not dissing you for what Like if we really got problems, I'm gonna see you and get with you. That's my belief. The one thing I respected about Pocket

and how he framed his disrecords. I respected his business acumen. He understood the value of war. He understood how much war shaped economies and created billionaires and millionaires, you know what I mean. And so when he did decided, you know, because I how do I say that everybody gonna be man, I don't get fun. He really Biggie didn't have nothing to do with him getting shot at all. He knew big didn't have something to do with him getting shot.

But he knew if he shaped the conversation, the general public would feel that way. So then their beef looks like I'm mad you got me shot. So when he put out his disk record, remember that disk record doesn't come out to roughly June or his album came out in February. The dish record came out as a MAXI single. Right of how do You want it? So when how do You Want It? Came out as a record, they used to have these things called Maxi singles where they

would include a couple of different singles. So it might have had how do you Want It? It might have had uh, it might have had um. I think I had California Love on it, and it also had uh uh goddamn song hit him up, you know what I'm saying. So again he planned that whole thing. He understood the value of war, so he created a war. It was some stuff going on on the side, you know where it was simple competitiveness, right, and the dog pound thing did get kind of crazy because they did get shot at.

Even though the person didn't shoot at him close. He wasn't trying to blow their head though, somebody could have got shot because no matter how far the trade. He talks and tells the story, he said, they were far away and they shot way over there, but somebody could have still got shot. So outside of that and all of this stuff at the source awards where they're competing, know what I'm saying, it was simple. It was competitive.

When pot came, he made it feel real. And the reason it felt real is because we watched Pop get shot, you know, a year and a half before that or a year before that. It was in a wheelchair, wrapped up and we heard the stories. So again, once you figured that Biggie was in the actual vicinity in the building, he understood how to pitch the he understood how to control emotions and why people would feel like he's upset. He it didn't even matter that he told people Biggie

didn't have nothing to do with it. He knew people would feel that way, and then he just compounded it with everything else about being better than him or not better than him, right, or the value in his wife. You know, how valuable was his wife to he could sleep with his wife, that made him more valuable than Biggie. So that's worth If you're gonna put out dish records

like you know, let it do. Yeah, you gotta go top tier for the coin if that's what you're doing, you know, But if it's gonna be inner city like job in fifty cent, which back down is a fantastic this record, I mean, unbelievable, but okay, it's too national brand at least, so fifth coming up, he's he's he's on the way, but he's not quite well. He was there because waankster too. So if you're gonna do Inner City or Inner Borow at that point, at least let

it be to national brands. So when you talk in the world is listening. I'm not talking in and making records for thirteen niggas to hear it. You feel me like I'll make you a good record for that. I'm not gonna put out a record on some niggas. You know what I'm saying that I might have to kill a nigga and I didn't pis him off and now he got to drop on me. I'm not gonna say shit because I'm looking to get at you. A lot of niggas get on social media. My take is and

I'm not gonna tweet. I'm not gonna instagram you. I'm not gonna put them on pictures. Tell you. I'm not even gonna let you know I'm mad. If you did something to me and you know it's something you can rest ashore, you can bet your fucking bottom dollar, nigga,

I'm coming. Feel me like the motherfucking tax man, Like I don't go saying, don't matter how long it takes, I'm going to get to you, and I'm not gonna say nothing about it because I want to get away with it, and the point needs to be proven between me and you, not everybody else. I'm not trying to show as an m C or as a street guy. I'm not trying to show the world that I'm a

street guy. This is personal. I'm building my resume to glasses so when I look in the mirror as I get older, the reason I don't tell is because when I look in the mirror, I want to be like I made it without telling, And whatever I do, I wanted to be known for me versus my amies. The way that I was taught was you do this so other people you know, know that you're about that ship. For me, it's about me. You don't gotta know whether I'm about that ship because I'm not gonna say nothing

that's gonna get too far out of hand. She still got that stupid as Teddy Beer up there. I don't know what did he disappeared like? Thirty men? Oh Teddy Beer? That nice ass nigger. My favorite rap beef right now by far, just because of how long it's gone on. In the details and stuff I do like that massy cmmel beef. You know what I don't like about that

ship is motherfucker's getting killed over that ship. Yeah, big top, but the fact that it's continues to go on and on amidst all of that that there was like term there's parole terms through advocacy as part of that beef. This from Yeah, that's a great on. He came out where if Lal though too, where he came out with the with the what's his name interview at the beginning and said, yeah, the after part one song, so got shot with the twelve hours, I just started to give

a funk and then he does the whole song. Yeah, I won't even listen to them records when niggas started getting killed, Yeah, talking about he put his cousin shot up in the back or something like that, and he gotta have um like a capital now he called him ship back such and such over there. I'm just like, dude, that's that's to me. That's what it is. Trash Like, once a nigga get shot, it ain't now. It ain't records no more. I'm not listening to no more rap records.

I'm a log off completely because oh, this ship is serious. These tracks are effidentiary. Yeah, it's like a self snitching album. Well, what isn't that all the all the rappers do that? Ship now they snitch on themselves, bros. Is not killing nobody. The rappers themselves are rarely killing somebody. It's somebody in their crew or somebody. They're still snitching. It doesn't matter if you're telling talking about it just to try to

They're not saying, hey, this person killed this person. They're saying, yeah he is that is I'm not there's an injunction on on thirties, which there probably is. That dude is so so reco vulnerable. Yeah, that's crazy. Again Again, I'm not working with that. When motherfucker's started getting shot and ship, this ship real and now I'm not playing for me Now, I'm gonna take it like a real situation with niggas is getting shot. That's different. But I'm not I'm not

the advocate of niggas getting out. I don't given how much cripping the black, I'm not the advocate of nigga shooting each other. Feel me and then me being a part of it or enjoying it. It's serious now, So now it was like either I'm just gonna log off for the whole ship. Fear me, I'm gonna log off, or I'm gonna try to become something in the middle of the Hey, this ship going too far. So in that particular situation, I logged off. Bro that ship got

way too it was. It's dope when you're flexing rap skills and y'all maybe squabble a little better something. Oh nigga started popping niggas next to niggas and nigga start getting killed. You nigga is tripping. I'm not in the booth making no rap song. If a nigga killed one of my homeboys behind the rap shit, rap is done. Yeah, it's on now. Now we gotta get the catalysts. We gotta get the nucleus for the problem. We gotta go ahead and kill a whole sale. We gotta get right

Filmily're gonna get the Yoka family. You're gonna beating egg Whites. Ain't no flavoring that ship because for sure, I mean, we're gonna get the Yokes. So I don't know how. That's another thing, like I don't respect niggas who rapped after one of your friends get killed. Like you know what I mean, Like, I'm not mad about getting no money, but if a nigga killed one of your friends, don't

gonna you kill for his friends. Ain't nothing to wrap about them feel because you got to distinguish the problem in my mind. Mm hmm. That's and this records have just came to another height. Like I'm saying, it's like again, there's so many rappers now, so it seems like rappers

is dying every week. Well, I think again, the problem happened with with hip hop in general, right, like what it looks at rap music, which part of hip hop, right is that it stopped being like I guess the era that maybe a lot of us grew up and where it was about what you're saying, like being good at what you're saying. Like I'm not saying that none of these guys aren't good, because there are guys that can rap, but I don't think that they value that

as much anymore. Right, I don't agree with that they really you think they really? Man, I'm tight. I don't even hear nobody saying nothing like that, like there, oh she is still about I got money and I got this, and I got that and then I'll kill you and shoot you and suck your bitch and your wife. But you could date that back to nigga. What is the whole? What is no vass lead? God Damn. I'm glad y'all said it all used to be hard. Now you just went and saw first she was dad with the a K.

You ain't talking about the motherfucking rap songs. Now see you on the video with mister lay looking like straight bozos. I saw it coming. That's why I went solo and kept on stomping, Like y'all. Motherfucker's more straight out of content even with the whites without another nigga sight for me, he wasn't you know. He wasn't talking about no motherfucking being better. He was talking. He was going at them Nigga's core let alone hit him up. He starts the

song off saying, that's why I fucked your bitch. So but that's where I think it started changing. Yeah, but it had to change with cute nigga, even even if you read the lyrics to mother fucking uh but it Bridge is over. Yeah, But those were the dis tracks. The other songs that were happening, like say on the

same album, or that came out the same summer. There were guys that were still rapping kind of are making at least a point if they weren't explicitly saying, this is a song I'm gonna wrap out a good rapper I am. It was written in such a way as to highlight how good of a rapper you were, and then sometimes probably about two thousands of change, it was

about like pinch, he said, it's about you. You're talking about your adult crisis and how much weight you're moving and how many guys are in the truck, and that was all you're talking about. Nobody like sure, like so the Queen's Bridge, Yes, he had more about being a better rapper. Um. But then there's other songs. He called them Nigga's game in that same song. But now that's the whole album. The other songs don't exist. Shoot, I don't yeah, I don't know. Maybe so I've never heard

the whole this album. We'll not to say that this album, like there's the distracts in the album and the other album. The rest of the album is not really about refining your craft so much. That is, it's just about bragging, whether being righteously or falsely. This nigga said Mr Magic sucks Diex in his wrap. KRS one said, Mr Magic, it sucking dick. Your moth is good for sucking your mom is good for sucking that. It's always been disrespectful.

It's always been and now they're just getting more disrespectful. But if you're telling another man that a man sucking dick, they don't get more disrespectful than that. I don't even know. It's saying your dead friend. It's worse than saying that nigga, you sucking did No, you're right. I mean again, when you start to really look at the lyrics, I think maybe it was just I think how we felt about it was different. Yeah, that's what I was gonna get

to saying. But I agree with you. Everybody don't pride themselves or they're not passionate as hip hop artists or even as mcs or even now. We have a lot of great rappers making great rap songs. Not not a ton, but we got a lot. We got a nice amount. But it's but it's still not even about them being great rappers. It's literally the it's it's literally become a

hustle to make try to make money. Yeah, but but streaming services created that middle class of it it yeah but but but they created a bigger middle class to where now you don't actually have to try to be the best. All you have to do is create a style or a genre and and find your audience and you'll make a living. See hip hop before it wasn't like that. You It was either reserved for the elite

or the or the passionate. Everybody was passionate, you know, even the underground guys was like, let's say a planet Asia for me. He was passionate about the craft. And I agree with you. These guys are more or less about, you know, making that coin, and nobody can be mad at him. You know, when you pour its opportunity and only one said go ahead. I was gonna say, only one percent of people can be in the top one percent.

You know, say, if you're talking about the skill set of rappers, if like like when Easy came out, he wasn't one of the best pure rappers out, but he made a lot of money and he was super famous. Selling an image and making a movie on wax, Well, it's easy to do that as a fifty percentile rapper. So then everybody else who's not in the top one percent rappers realizes that I have a blueprint. Now you can see where that went from a small slice of

records to now the majority of records. But I probably about two thousand seven or eight people were just out there making songs and saying whatever in any kind of way, and even like really really good rappers probably were worth less than really really marketable images who couldn't rap for good. They're looking out for tuning into the No Sellers podcast.

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