Conversations About COVID

for Mike Tyson. So by the time you fight Mike Tyson for real with no head gear, you're prepared for the fight. What's the world's greatest lie, Peter Um, the world's greatest lie, the world's greatest lie, ship, the world's greatest lie, Probably that you need to wear a mask while by yourself in your car on the four oh five on a Tuesday afternoon. You just just jump right to the bullshit, doc What's the greatest lie ever told? That was pretty good. I don't know if I'm gonna

be tough. I don't know if I'm gonna be a the top. They go like put a little thing on a podcast I'm looking to get disclaimered. I want to be disclaimed to this claim. Yeah, they gonna put that on the podcast. Fact check all this ship Peter, it's saying the greatest lie ever told, ever told. All right, so I think for me, it's got to be that. It's hard to top that one. It's hard to top that Biden one. A triple disclaimer. Now, yeah, that's we're

off to a great start. I think the world's greatest lie ever told is that you can have you can have it all. I think that's it. That's the world's greatest. That's actually a really good one. What do you got? I don't know, and I don't think i've ever thought about socialism works. Um, A lot of trees felled over that lie, Na, no greatest lie ever told. Don't cop that, Kaiser. So it was that the greatest lot of the devil ever told that he didn't exist type of stuff. I

don't know. This is no seilings though, no ceilings. The greatest lives that there are ceilings, no zeiling glasses. Peter got special guests going on, Peter introducing this is the doctor. He's he's our an anonymous doctor. He's uh for for career purposes research scientists today, local, high profile institution. We're not gonna go any further than that. All the note, you get a PhD who studied the subject in real

time in a labin. So that's if you know this, if you know g you know, are you gonna do too much fabricating? We just gotta protect people because they knocking people off with somebody that's true. Oh, I know the greatest live ever told that she gave a funk about you. Whoa. It's the greatest lie that keeps on getting told, that told more times than any other line wins by volume. Man, they've been a lone day dog. Um. Why okay, see now I'm thinking about it. Why do

you what's the purpose in that lie though? What's the purpose in line to somebody saying, you know what, um, this virus is so contagious that you need to be on the four or five with your windows rolled up in your car wearing a mask, why till that line specifically? Yeah, I think that there's as far as last year. I think there's three reasons, okay, to be honest, and I think it has to do with trying to manufacture consent. So to speak to to pull as my second time

today making the known chopstrap. Don't even like the guy, but it's a it's a solid theory. It enables a peer pressure kind of purging of society to try to fortify AM a compliant majority. I think that's one aspect of it. I think mail in ballance is another aspect of it. And I think that there's such a giant monetary relationship between pharmaceutical industry and health care industries and government and the power of the purse, that there is an inherent you know, cash grab in that as well.

I you just looked at the the the debt clock, and what was the first thing that came up in the largest slice of that pie at one point eight trillion dollars annually was Medicare. Yeah. Uh, it's a lot of money. Why tell that, lie Dot? I think that's a good one. I think I got a simpler answer,

to be honest. I think because you can right like, I think there are enough people out there who believe it and won't push back and won't think about what you're trying to push on them, what agenda you're trying to push, what's going into that, and so I think, you know, I think people who want to tell lies will keep pushing them until they can't get away with it any longer, and just keep pushing the envelope, keep making a move. Mm hmm. So but we're not We're

not saying COVID is a lie. I think the virus is real. I think the I think the way that it was sold to the American public it's severe, pretty nick was tremendously oversold, and I think that the methodology for mitigating damage was oversold. If not playing just made up? Who is there any is there any traction to that? Doctor? Yeah? I think you know, I think you're I think you're touching on something that we're kind of dancing around it. Right,

It's like, what is what is true about COVID? Well, to figure that out, you gotta have the right means to know what COVID is, right, you gotta study it. You gotta study it in an objective way. I think that would happened with the virus too early was people

started trying to frame it a certain way. They're trying to take bits and pieces of information that comported to what they were trying to say or their message, and they ran with it, and I think that that's a big part of it, is that what is objective and what isn't. But they kept telling us that if we didn't believe what they were saying, that we were anti science or we were rejecting or denying the science. Right.

The science seemed a little sporadic, right, Well, that's it's kind of weird to me when people call it the science, right because the science, the science is not it's not supposed to be a fixed thing. Science is supposed to be an evolving thing, but it's supposed to evolve in the direction that you know, the data are showing. So I think for me, it's when people started taking a piece of the science or the evidence that supported what they wanted and that was it, and you couldn't talk

about anything else. That's just fundamentally like unscientific. That isn't science.

That's that's more politics, that's something else. You had some familiarity at least with the with the antibody study and an attempt early on, I thought that we were in for a wild ride when the local news like that, like there was the debt clock, we were looking that before there was a COVID death pometer that was running on the news all the time, it's a thousand, it's five thousand, and then after that it was it was similar to the wildfire burnometer that they run that they

cheer until we get to a hundred thousand undre thousand acres. And then when it shifted over from the death p ometer to the case ometer, I'm like, oh, we're fucked because buying large. Statistically speaking, it wasn't you know ebola that's got this super duper high mortality rate. So when you when you change the standard metric for what it is we're dealing with, I think that really opens the door for changing everything with how you deal with it.

Like what did you the case number? What? What do you think based off of like projections and some of the stuff that you've seen. How many people this cut you do you think actually taught COVID? I mean it's tough to say. One of the things about the case numbers you bring up, I think it's really interesting is um is you know what defines a real case? Right? Some people had access to testing and they were getting

tested on their own. Other people maybe didn't have the same access to testing and waited until they developed symptoms or went to a hospital. So it wasn't an objective measure of who had COVID or not. It was more a measure of who was getting tested. And we can get into it or you know, talk about it later, but the whole idea of you know, what constitutes a positive test on a PCR test or something else. So you're right that it wasn't standard, and it wasn't uniform

from state to state or place of place. So it's hard to say, but I know early on in the pandemic, when people were trying to model who how many people had COVID, it was definitely the case that the all of the models, all the estimates way overprojected what people had with respect two cases compared to what we were

able to actually measure. And then that brings we were being told that there were a million cases when there were ten million, potentially exactly exactly exactly what which That's always been a question, Okay, so that's that's always been a question, like how much to test, When do you test? Why are you testing? Because I think that's a lot of the conversation that's not happening. Um, people feel uncomfortable

not going to get tested so not being diagnosed. Um, what do you say about at that point that when they say three million people died in the United States and is the deadliest year in the United States history. Is that any point to do with COVID, Like how real and how not real it is COVID at that point when it comes to people dying, That's a great question. I think it's certainly the case that people died from COVID.

That is, they were living their life. They had maybe other diseases going on, diabetes, high blood pressure, something, but they got COVID and COVID is what killed them, right. But there's a lot of other people who maybe because of their other illnesses and other things that they were dealing with, we're on a path toward death and they

just happened to have COVID. And so separating who died with COVID, that means they tested positive had the virus versus who died from COVID, that is, they would be alive had they never contracted the virus a year later

that wasn't. That's a difficult thing to separate, and it's definitely the case when you look at the people who were dying, especially early on in the pandemic, A lot of them were older, a lot of them were in nursing homes, and so I think it was even harder to separate who was dying and just tested positive for COVID versus who died because they got COVID and that brought them to the hospital and ended up taking their life. Mhm.

It seems in looking backwards at the circumstance that because the the CDC did kind of quietly leak some data last July, I think around the hundred and seventy thousand maybe death toll count, which they said about ninety four and a half or something like that or ninety six fight four some around ninety five for some of the people who died had co more abilities, and the average number of co more abilities among that was two point eight.

So what that leads two and like practical assumption is, all right, we have a number of people who test positive for CODE, the number of people who have it that don't test is going to out outpace the number of people who false positive. Right Therefore, we're being undersold on the number of cases and we're being oversold on the number of deaths. Therefore, the fatality is being manipulated

to the extreme side, not to the minimal side. Yeah, that's exactly right, So that makes perfect sense, not to in I get what you're saying. I used to feel that way too. Initially. It's like, well, if you're not testing as many people yet you're testing people, but if you're counting depths, even though if you know it might be questionable, is this the actual cause? It does make it.

I just don't understand the agenda in that. Well, the immediate agenda as we saw it was it justifies a declaration of emergency, which completely opens a different chapter in the constitutionality for lawmakers. You have temporary emergency, a temporary to a declared temporary state of emergency. Then the power of government at all levels is different, and the restrictions on government at all levels are essentially you know least. So what passed that would make that make sense for

that reason? You know? Okay, if if this was the goal to get this type of control, right to go into that phase of control, what laws passed? You know? Do you are you familiar with the laws that passed in that time to even yeah, I remember like laws that locked down all the small businesses in the country. You couldn't normally do that without a state of emvergency declaration. There was also probably a dozen states that unconstitutionally manipulated

their election laws. You couldn't do that without a state of emvergency explanent, a state of emergency declaration. You couldn't do that with one. But because of the social pressure, the courts didn't want to fight it, so that I mean, who was one of the biggest and most entrenched entities

as far as their relationship with the federal government. Amazon, Amazon not only contributes a lot, Amazon fought the Internet tax for like a decade, and then they realized, what is second, We're the only ones who can actually manage an Internet tax very effectively relative to all of our small business competitors. And then they changed and started buying senators to enforce the or to pass the Internet tacks had passed in like a week, because any of the

thing was on when I could pay it? And what company made more money than Amazon during the lockdowns? Yeah, I was following down there. Oh, I had to get there, go ahead, I was right, I was gonna I was just gonna say. You know, what he had said was like you know that that idea that if you're only looking at a hundred people and let's say ten of them died from COVID, it makes it look like, you know, you've got ten percent of the people with COVID dying.

But if in reality a thousand people had COVID and you just didn't see a lot of them. They were just out, it was a mild flu. They never went to the hospital, and you never tested them. You don't like what Peter was saying thinking of that ten, maybe six of them were on the doorstep. And that's the question. And so I think the big the big point is that you know, we don't know what was, what was real, and what was And I think what Peter said was

exactly right. People were responding to the situation and there was a lot of fear at the time, always and that that was the dominant, that was the dominant, you know, emotion, and so people weren't stopping to think, like, wait, who's really getting sick, how many people are really getting sick, what's going on with these tests? It was just all about the fear, and I think that was the most important. Why are people still alive in the state of Florida.

That's a good question. That's a good question. Is this a question free or post code it's a pre Well, we'll look at it as a post COVID question. We'll bring a different guest on and asking as a pre COVID questions. Some from Florida. We have a podcast just Lepolarizing State This Florida. If you it's funny about Florida. It sticks out in lifestyle and in geography, Like I'm almost surprised that at some point the rest of the country just build a fence and go, you know what,

fuck it just over there. It's now Baja California. It's Baja Georgia, all right, So my favorite state in the country, by the way, no joke moving there because it's yeah, it's it's so wild wild West. There's a wild Southeast. Okay. So everything we have to so everything we think about COVID. So it's COVID killing a totally healthy person. So I think COVID can kill a totally healthy person, but in the same way that a lot of things can kill

totally healthy people that we don't understand. So I think that it isn't it's not to say that that can happen, but the question is can it happen enough to where all healthy people have to lock down or do something

different with their lives, Like, that's the question. And I think that just going back to that point about you know, when you have the fear and you make every healthy person feel like they have the same risk of dying from COVID, people are going to act in the way that that we saw last year were tissue right, that's right, that's right, gonna costcope be wiped out, everything to be wiped out. That's newspaper. Well, there was a lot of

bad news, so people didn't want to read that. The only times keep saying they're walking down more and more and ship you're gonna wipe your ass with nothing else to do with it, because you'll explain a little bit medically, like if I have because COVID is basically defined as a respiratory tie up of thing for for your airways, lungs, sciences, all that kind of stuff. I have a problem with my kidneys or with my liver or something like that, Why is COVID gonna knock me out so much, so

much more easily. Yeah, that's a good question. So COVID it primarily affects you in the airways. That's how we think of it. It causes like a pneumonia like infection of your lungs, right, you can't breathe, you gotta be on a ventilator or something like that. But actually, any virus that you're infected with, or any any bacteria, anything you infected with, can have a whole body effect because your whole body's immune system is responding to this infection.

And so if you've got kidney disease, if you've got liver disease, weakness, that's right, and you're already weak. You can't fight a full strength like a lot of people on that CDC spreadsheet had died of renal failure with Yeah, your kidneys, and your kidneys are very sensitive to how much fluid you got in your body. And so if you've got a lot of inflammation, you got fluid building up in your lungs, you don't have enough going to

the kidneys and they can get hurt. But the idea is just that when you have liver disease, you have kidney disease, you have heart disease, you're kind of sick globally. Your whole body is off, and so you add one more thing on top of that, you add covid, you add a strep infection, you add something like that. It can tip It can tip you over exactly exactly. You would say, I remember previously off mikes about oxygen access too, like ailing organs or something like that, with this having

having that sort of effect on that. Yeah, So when your when your lungs get infected, one of the things that happens is and they get filled with fluid because you get all this inflammation almost like you bump your hand into the table when it gets read, it gets swollen something like that, or bump your foot into the table. So the same things in your lungs will get swollen, they'll get filled up with all this fluid, and now you can't get oxygen to different parts of your body,

so everything can get affected from that. But that's kind of, uh, that's kind of a secondary problem to the problem, which is just your body's reaction, like the inflammation reaction to covid and you're fighting a degenerative illnesses that like especially because there's like an infection infections illness, like you caught this virus or this bacterios then there's also where you know where something is just breaking down, like with age or from a lifestyle or whatever else. Does that impact

your immune system. So if you've got a chronic disease, so normally, if you think about your immune system, let's say you're a healthy person, you get you get a flu or something, right, you feel like crap for three or four days. That's your immune system fighting off that virus, right, and then you get back to normal. You feel good, your airways clear up, you can breathe, Okay, you're not coughing,

You're back to normal. It's your immune system will turn on to fight the virus and then go back down. That's kind of the normal response when you got a chronic disease, you've got liver disease, you've got diabetes, you've got something like that. Your immune system is on and it's always on. And that overdrive. What's your immune system

think it's gonna do? Not fix the problem, that's for sure fighting Just then you're seeing something else in here and that ship tired, Like damn, my ass already fight this ship too. I imagine that at such a city. It's it's a movie. What's that movie with It's kind of about something like this. Um it was an animated movie about like how your immune system worked, and it was fighting something and it was with the Sixth Man

with Bill Murrays. Oh yeah, with Bill Murray where he was like the flaming that thing the people shot out of the forehead. Some jones, for sure, some jones because I forgot to night. But yeah that it actually was a really good I feel like animated called me a mature but I feel like animated films are a great way to teach people things that they could not understand and putting it into I get did a better job probably in that movie Outbreak much better. I'll break ship

or Outbreak. You Scared of Monkeys Forever? It on me? Uh So, am I wrong to think? Doctor? Because like they have no quite idea of how people are catting it? Still, they have no true exact science of how people are catching this still, Like how accurate It doesn't make sense. We're in a round full of masks and people are scared to death. They're still wearing a ton of mask and people are still catching it. So I've always had

this belief, like, Yo, they don't. It hasn't been enough time for them to fully understand quite how this is being transmitted because it's happening so fast, not to mention to the people who are never getting tested. I would have liked to believe in the United States of America, how many it's four people founder million? Oh, that's about three, right, So I wanted to believe probably the population has came across something about with COVID, just not everybody didn't deal

with it in the same way. But I don't. It doesn't seem like they have an exact science of how it's spreading. So they're like taking these super giant stay at thousand feet from him, mask on shield, Uh, don't go outside, windows up, you know, don't breathe air outside, Like it's just randomness to me that it wouldn't be as exact, like with like HIV County, which a super closed down and he was too much a super open and and l A County seemed to be plagued with

worst numbers in Houston. I think, yeah, I think it's a great question. I think so the biggest problem with that is you're right right, this was a brand new virus. We knew nothing about it when it started a year and a half ago. But even though it's been on livestock cans for like, you see that the lights I was like, what the fun remember being so up? You

ever noticed that it was on the lightsoll can. It's one of the listed viruses on lightsol can, And I like, I had a lightsol can from two thousand nineteen, Like, man, what the fuck the other coronaviruses? Yeah, And so I think But to your point, though, I think, like what we should have done right away is figure that out. Right, the first questions you would have is how does this thing transmit? Who gets infected? And who's at risk for

getting sick, hospitalized and dying? Right, those are the first three questions you want to know. And it goes back to what we said earlier when that happened. We didn't respond that way. We came out with the fear and you gotta double mask, triple mask, you gotta stay six ft away from each other, you gotta quarantine for fourteen days, don't go outside, don't go to don't want your kids. And none of that was based in science. It was just all like you said, like it was just a reaction.

But because we had that reaction, and that was the first thing that happened. It's really hard to go back now and be like, Okay, now, let's break this down and figure it out. Like that stuff you we've been telling you to do for the last year and a half. It doesn't work, you know. So I think that's a

real question. The reason why we don't know now, it's because from the very beginning we didn't start off with that mindset of like, let's figure this out objectively, and maybe the answer is we don't need masks, or maybe the answer is we need three masks. Whatever it is, we needed to figure that out objectively. Yeah, but when we came out and it's run, Yeah, it came out and took a stance. You can't turn around now and be like, oh, we're just playing, we're just joking. Yeah,

there's a joking my community. Or if you just start running, you just start running it, that's not Pete is different, y'all be cause y'all be standing look at this ship. White folks just looking they see everybody was running, be like, what's going on? So I don't know who's crazy. I don't know if it's crazier to run because if you know too, yeah, or is it crazy to be like what's going on? To figure it out? Yeah, I guess it just depends on how much you do or don't

like running. That's what kind of shoes you're wearing. Honestly, that's true. You got the right shows. Let's if you want to get some cardio as well, like to run. Yeah,

I just watched that last night. I forgot that Bernie Max piece on that was probably my favorite piece of common rest in peace, Bernie Man, he was cool too, he was cold, um yeah, but I felt like that was the reaction, like like hold up, oh ship, and then everybody I was like, and you know, me, my my intellect, my education, you know, just not furthering it, you know, and and not staying focused sometimes voids me at the terminology. But I know exactly my intellect is process.

And I will just be like, man, this is some bullshit now, not COVID, it's some bullshit, but what the fund is we are doing? Like what the fund is going on? Now? That don't been a run into where everybody's running from. But I'm dead fully gone. I'm not gonna keep running. I'm just kind of stand behind a brick wall and be like wait a minute, and I'm gonna get out of the way and just look like, what are y'all doing is happening? Yeah, there was some

trash with it. I mean, like obviously the one of the political debates that's you know forever in the country is centralized versus less centralized government. You can kind of see that play out in the COVID thing because you could go to Walmart, where everyone's centralized, but you can't go live it yourself to five hundred stores down. How

does this make sense? Because Walmart has better inside the Beltway political contributors than all the small how does that make sense within the theme of the ship c e nt sense? I'm sorry, but how does that? It's like, Okay, we're not gonna allow We're not going to inform all of these stores how to deal with this. We're gonna say no, no, we're not gonna do that all open. We're gonna pack you all in the place, even though we're all tending to stay six ft apart and to

not go outside. We're gonna put you in one place specifically, not okay, you can do thirty people here today, people there today, just spread it out. It's like, no, everybody go here. They should have closed down the big stores only if anything that makes me I mean that I've got a lot of time in Vegas last summer. I'm like,

hold on, this disease is really targeting the elderly. Why has this eighty five year old woman been standing outside in the hundred seventeen degree heating line waiting to get into walmarts? It's one o'clock and it's four thirty. That's a great she's gonna fall down. But right, right, right, only ship not no, you would go to Walmart, Walmart, everything else is open. You go to Walmart. People all

in this motherfucker ain't no tissue. You're like, people are sampling eat us down the line, firm to God, touching on all these peaches and shining apples on their mask. Looks looks good. They were pulling down the mask to sneeze all that sneezing all over this. Put it back on afterwards. The coldest part is where you be talking to somebody and the person at the register came hear you through the mask, so they'd be like, oh, could you just put out your massics like, oh, the funk.

So it's a lot of questions I had the whole time, and don't let me wrong man. Culturally, like we it's a it's a lack of trust for us and and and the government obviously, especially where I come from. Like, it's huge lack of trust, huge question marks, Like all you taught is like, no, they don't want you to live.

So every time, it's like even now, I'll argue with Van Lengthen you know that skepticism is like probably my favorite macro quality of the black community is that inherent skepticism because that is truly kind of what you stand for. It's like, yeah, I don't believe you. Yeah, you're gonna have to do more of us, tell me something. Um but me, Van was arguing and I was said, Van, I'm like, Van, why would I trust somebody who we legitly always agree with is trying to destroy us consistently? Well,

you know, white people are taking this out. I'm like, yeah, no, no, We've done this one before too, We've done that before. So I don't know, it's just weird, man. It's it's was different, you know what I mean? It was It was really different, and it was a lot of things that you know, I thought as as a country, Um, we just kind of didn't do well with especially to be uh capitalist country, you know what I mean, Like it was like, well, when you really think about it,

that actually did work out because Walmart didn't down. It was a testament not to free market capitalism. It was a testament to oligarchical government intervention. More so, there was I mean, the competitive free marketplace did not exist in Walmart, Amazon or nothing. Do you want this thirty dollar napkins over? How much money did Netflix make last year? Jesus Christ. Netflix have been spending money on content for five years and they got all the r O I met five months.

That's a great point, damn um. So don't say you're saying this is a power play. Okay, so we we all agree. COVID that's a real thing. Is knocking people there for sure? Okay? I had I tested positive for it. Yeah, yeah, everybody had. Didn't knock you down, didn't put you down. I thought it was that I had a few too many drinks one night, and I'm like, I had like four,

I shouldn't be laid up for two days. And then by the time I actually had the energy to go get up and get the test, I was fine and It took a week and a half from giving the results. By the time they gave me whip my add I didn't lose my taste, but but I lost my appetite. I lost my taste button. I had this really good cigar that I was like, gonna have is my first cigar back from COVID, and then I realized that I couldn't taste it, and it was a waste of that cigar.

It was a catastrophe. It's such a such a shame. It was way worse than the virus itself, which did cure long term chronic acute sinus infection. I've been fighting for about eight years. Imagine that day somebody offered you an eighty year old Scotch. It's like it's either today or nothing. While you had the peak of your tasteless COVID.

I had a helvet in my mouth for six weeks till say something to me, y'all know me for six weeks teeth and no gums, But so you would just put it in your COVID mouth and spitting back in A had A held it in my mouth the whole goddamn time. I'm on an I V for a month. I can't even if that was some good scotch, I would have taken care of the COVID real quick. Yeah, yeah, okay, So I can't ask you this because this don't I don't think they still know what how people are catching it,

how to actually kill it. I think they don't know. Like I had a lot of like I'm thinking a lot of people I know that I told, Like what helped me a lot was PDA Like I have no idea why, but Peddia Light got me back in the game because it was whipping my ask for about a good seven round, Like I was gett whooped in the fight. And yeah, you know, I came in the corner one of them nights and I drank that PDA Light and I came out of the eight round. I like, hold up,

turn this fight around. I got a couple of knockdowns and I wanted to fight. It went all twelve, though, But I want to talk about fluids and being hydrated. Being hydrated is important, you know, But about how you get it's a good question. Like initially everyone thought you

got it from droplets. You know, you cough comes out, but you remember early on it was like you know, people were worried if you touch surfaces that had it, then you touch your mouth and that you know they can get it, so you want to rub down everything whatever. Who the table, Ye, let me let me see what is this taste? Let me give me see something. A lot of the ideas forgive me and I know mad, but I felt like Trump. I was like, this ship is stupid. I'm not saying it's not real, but this

ship is stupid. What the funk are we doing? Right? I think I think you got touched on earlier. Like the thing for me was like the skepticism. It wasn't there, and it wasn't there from anyone. It wasn't there from anyone in the scientific community. It wasn't there from anyone. Like everyone normally, normally how we feel about what the government is telling us, we always like, hold up, what

y'all got you? COVID was one of the few things where it was like that was that was that first time people start running and everybody was like, hold let me just run right. Normally you'd be the hold up, bro, what y'all think you're about to do? We we don't trust y'all. Yeah, And I think it was difficult to even have that conversation, Like you couldn't even really ask if you had any public platform, like hey, wait a minute, like how do you get this again? This doesn't make

any sense. Or a month ago we said masks weren't helpful, and now we're saying they are, Like you couldn't do that. You had to just you had to just follow whatever

today's message was and stay on message. And that's the problem. Like, I think that's why we couldn't looking back some of the stuff we were saying, it sounds stupid, like what we believe that For a minute, was there any top down manipulation within the scientific research community industry that either came from funding stipulations or government pressure or just internalized pressure that you feel like may have impacted the ability to have like an like Integrit's research. Yeah, that's a

good question. So I have no Obviously I'm not I have no evidence of any you know, fun I couldn't follow money and tell you that people were paid to keep certain things quiet or whatever. But what was interesting to me was that, like, usually when you have a scientific finding, people will continue to study that, and COVID

everyone wanted to study it. It was weird to me when everyone started it saying the same thing, right, Like you didn't see dissenting opinions or you didn't see people disagreeing with each other publicly everyone on TV was saying the same thing. Was everybody behind the scenes, like in the scientific research community saying the exact same thing what everybody on television was saying. I mean, I don't think so.

I think that's I think like yo homies, like when you and your hommies would kind of talk, he'd be like, I don't know, man, I kind of saw something, but you know you couldn't say it loud, but you had to talk to your partners dr potners behind the scene like man, I don't know, man. Yeah, I think over time, I think early on everyone was kind of waiting, seeing like, hey, what is this gonna be? Right? Like we gotta wait. Like some people bought in whatever the messages to say

let's go. Yeah, like you said, they took off, run and they went. Other people, I think wanted to wait and see and say, all right, you know, let's see what this is. But it was the case where you remember last summer, right when they said mildkard itis, right, athletes were gonna play college football. They're all gonna get COVID mildkard itis and start dropping dead on the field and stuff. Right, what was interesting to me and said, Okay,

let's just wait and see what happens. A month comes, two months into the season, three months in the season, I'm watching the I'm watching the college football championship game, and there hadn't been a single player all season that dropped dead with mild cardiitis. And so naturally, I think people just started asking questions, like, what we thought five months ago, we have no evidence to support that anymore.

You mentioned at the time, And this happened just last week again with that Massachusetts thing with the vaccinated vaccinated people in the new cases. But it wasn't it Like a somewhere in Europe there was a small sample size, kind of skewed study that was released, and the mild card iis thing was pretty much trampolined off that study, and that study was pretty healthily debunked. Yeah, that's exactly right. So the study that tipped it off was from I think it was from Germany, but it was out of

Europe for sure. And what they did is they were looking at people who had COVID and they wanted to look at their hearts to see if they had inflammation in their heart. That's mild card itis, right, inflammation of the heart. And so they took like, I forget the number, but they took let's just say it was a hundred people that had COVID, and they said, okay, let's look at all their hearts and see how many of them

have mildcard itis or inflammation of their heart. And they had some number, let's say it was three percent or whatever it was. That's a that's cool that but that study doesn't mean that everyone who gets infected with COVID is going to get mile card eyes. There's no control for that, right. You needed control. You need to be able to say, okay, how many football players, if you just looked at their hearts have inflammation just from playing football,

tackling each other, running around out there. What is the normal rate of mild card iis or inflammation of the heart that you can see in a football player, and then compare that to the the football players who get COVID. So it wasn't a good study. It was a study that came out that got people scared. I think initially, and then in America people were saying, hey, this is

something we got to keep an eye out for. And the whole college football season happens and there wasn't a single case of someone getting hospitalized with mile card I don't remember there being a huge rampant wave of people dying of my card iis outside of football or anything

else like anywhere. Really, it was like whatever sample of patients that they reviewed for that study, it seems either anomalous like they grab or they went to the mile card diet is winning of the hospital and started testing for COVID. Right now, I think it's I think that's the best evidence in support of your position is like,

just wait and see what happens. And if milecardiis was really happening in three percent of people with COVID, we'd have, you know, thousands of cases of mile card itis, right, but we haven't. We didn't see that. So I think you're exactly right that the evidence when you just sat and watched what happened in real time. You can model whatever you want in a computer. You can develop, you know,

ways to predict what's going to happen. But if you just sit back and give it some time and wait and see then you then you know in reality, like what what is truth and what isn't? And what happened was cases came. No one really got Milecardiis. No one went back and talked about it. No one was like, hey, five months ago we thought there would be a lot

of Marcardiis. There wasn't any. We just kind of moved on to the next thing, you know, the next nobody nobody came in and say, hey, I was wrong, Yeah, exactly, I was wrong. No one has been wrong. In spite of the fact that people have been right about the thing from in different ways at different times, no one has yet been wrong, which is fascinating that everyone's bad at a thousand in opposite directions. Yes, that's a great point. That's how they feel for sure. Okay, so fast forward.

Vaccines right, and this is the good stuff. Um, so right off the rip, right, Vaccines do not protect you. Excuse me. Vaccines do not mean you will not contract the virus. We'll explain real quick, could you the difference between the polio vaccine and an mRNA vaccine, which is what we have with this. So there are a couple

of different types of polio vaccines. But the traditional vaccine, the way they had done it in the past is you can take a virus and you can sort of um, you can sort of kill it, right, so it won't infect you. It won't cause a full on infection. You kind of just you make it like a milder version.

We you weaken it. Yeah, it's perfect, and you inject that weakened virus into someone and then you let that and then exactly so it's like so it's like sparring before boxing, exact used to the like, Okay, I'm not gonna put you in with Mike Tyson, but I'll put you in with David too, to get you prepared for Mike Tyson. So by the time you fight Mike Tyson for real with no headgear, you already kind of a familiar with what you're looking at, so you're prepared for

the fight. Right. That's that's a perfect analogy. That's exactly what. That's what virus, that's what vaccines or that's what. Yeah, that's the original idea of vaccine exactly. So SPA give you, give you a weekend version so you can spar with this and your mute system is ready to go, like when we're getting right now with the real are we ready? Exactly, I'm looking for the hookie throwing, I'm looking for the upper cut you throwing. I'm prepared for your Exactly, that's

exactly right now. The COVID vaccines, at least the Fightser and the Maderna ones, these ones have a slept the different technology to them, the same concept. They're trying to expose you to a part of the virus so you can warm up your immute system, you can spar a little bit, so when you get infected with COVID, or you get exposed to COVID, you know how to fight it. These vaccines work a little bit differently though. Instead of giving you a weekend virus, they give you just one

of the one of the um M RNA's. It's it's one of the parts of the viral DNA, and so what it is, right, the RNA becomes protein. So the virus. The way to think about a virus is it's made of protein. That's kind of like the clothes on the virus, the shirt and that kind of thing, and then it has DNA or RNA that's kind of the internal message that the virus carries. So it's branding and marketing exactly.

That's for branding, and then the RNA is the marketing, the actual what's Del tacos RNA is fresh, healthy, clean, eaten uh Mexican, fold of um, all these things once you walk inside, but the branding itself doesn't show that the outside. That's right, that's perfect. So yeah, good analogy with that would be like the the instruction manual for how to make Del Taco food or whatever. That's the RNA, that's the message, and then the food you're putting out

and serving customers, that's your protein. That's like the that's the real stuff that people interact with like that. So you can take the instructions from the virus that's the RNA, and you can put that into a person and your body will make that protein. It will make that food. It'll say, all right, here's the here's the recipe. I'm gonna start making this this food. And then that food you're making is virus and your immune system will respond to that. So then you go to that sparring. As

far as even a weaker version. Yeah, it's kind of like more not like it's like trying to make your own del tacos, like it's quite not Del Taco, but yeah, del Taco. Okay, yeah, yeah, so it's pretty good. Yeah, the Del Taco. That's that's great analogy. It's like someone just gave you instructions to go. Here's a recipe. Here's a recipe. You go to the grocery, start, go by a proper shield that they use, and this is kind

of the idea of what it takes left. Yeah, and so that's that's the first time we made vaccine starting from that RNA from that message. Usually we just take the virus or we'll take the virus protein and we'll put that in into a person, but this time it was let's start from that RNA. So with that, the concepts the same, though. Your body takes that message, makes the protein and then fights it and then now you're ready to go if you get infected. Yeah, it seems

I'm very very critical of the case count metric. It seems that this is the case count metric that was kind of used to amplify response by the power structure in the country. Coming back to bite itself in the ass with this with the vaccine situation, because the vaccor vaccine is it doesn't mean that a virus, especially this mRNA vaccine, in the way it's gonna be airborne and stop within four inches of it means that you might

contract the virus, but your body will not. It has to be victim to it manifesting to a terminal point. It has a better chance in the fight, right right, right, Yeah, it's exactly right. So like when you get the vaccine, it doesn't mean you can't get infected. It also doesn't

mean you can't get infected and have some symptoms. But what you hope for is that without there for the fight, exactly, without the exactly if you went into a match and you didn't spar it all, you're out for the first round, you're knocked out, this over, but you're hoping that you can maybe go the distance, maybe you can make it competitive. So that's the idea. You're not keeping yourself from getting infected, but you're just hoping that when you do get infected,

you can you're better off for the fight. Why did we change, you know, is this the first you know, virus that we changed on how we manufacture vaccines for those mRNA vaccines. So, yeah, this was the first virus that we developed mRNA vaccines for the technology for it, like how to there are a lot of has to

happen in the background to get to that point. So for example, we didn't know fifty years ago, for example, a hundred years ago that RNA or m RNA even existed, so you have to discover what that was first, and then we didn't know how to isolate it. You have to do that. So it's kind of building on a lot of work to get to that point, which is consue inclusion is people are gonna getting sucked up in this fight because it's an even more weakened version of

the opponents you're going to fight. So that's the question is that that's where people are trying to figure out, is how does it compare? And it's obvious it makes sense why the mRNA vaccine concept for this rather than the traditional model is that the traditional model is harder to obtain. This is a more expedited path to goal. That's a good question. So people have tried to make coronavirus vaccines in the past. So this this stars cove

to the virus that causes COVID nineteen. It has a it comes from a family of viruses that are kind of similar. Coronavirus is, right, and people have tried to make vaccines against other coronavirus is in the past using those the traditional methods for making vaccines, and they haven't been effective. So they make the vaccine, they give it to people, and for whatever reason, people are still getting hospitalized and dying at the same rate from previating they

can't weaken an It wasn't yet no efficacy exactly. So with this one, I think that there was just kind of a shotgun approach. You have the MR and a technology that has kind of been improving year over year, and you have and but there are still traditional vaccines being made. So I think that Johnson Johnson is a traditional vaccine. I thought, fucking dot because I thought that I was like my mom used to always tell me some rest of her so she said, remember this about brands.

Brands are the most popular, brands that are in the public face, are the easiest to be held accountable. So they're going to like I would try to buy growing up. Right when I got out of the house, I got out the house of seventeen, I'm living by myself. Sorry to cut you made me think of that, but I would go and save money to buy off brand product because I didn't care about Bounty and I don't care about Tied. These people they're not the homie you know

what I mean? Who who are these brands? She was like, no, it's an ethics that carries with these popular brands where they are more than likely to have to do right by you versus the brands that are kind of the things you don't know about that are not as popular. So even though was it Maderna, all of those are popular brands within the medical world, they're not as popular

of a brand as Johnson and Johnson. So that's why the Johnson and Johnson some people getting their ask what because it's closer to this, So they're they're doing the old school way. Yeah, and so people it wasn't like that all the companies coordinated and said, hey, let's all develop an MR and a vaccine, or let's all develop a traditional vaccine. I think different companies. And this goes back to the policy that was done. I think Donald Trump was like, Hey, I'm gonna just open up a

bunch of money. You guys, you know, if you wanna take this money, I'm gonna invest in fifteen companies, and I'm just gonna see who can develop a vaccine so we can get out of this. And some of the companies developed mRNA vaccines, some developed regular ones. But the point of the vaccine is if it's supposed to prepare you for the infection and be make you better prepared so you can you can handle that infection better, the question just becomes, Okay, what is the efficacy of these vaccines?

Just because the traditional vaccine didn't work for another coronavirus, it doesn't mean it can't be effective for this one, and vice versa. Just because you have a new technology, it doesn't mean it could be more affected than the old. You got to do the studies and figure it out. If you took a hundred thousand people and they all had the polio vaccine and exposed all of them to polio, would some amount of them not not say, have advanced

terminal bad polio. But you could continue to test them again and again and again, and and there would be a point where a lot of them who were vaccinated or most which show at some point, yeah, they're positive

for polio. Yeah, I would think so, I don't know the exact Yeah, let's take something else, but I would know, but I would spatitis B. Yeah, no, but I would say your your point with the polio one is exactly right though, Like I don't think that there's a vaccine that's been made that's been a effective in all circumstances, right, So like, for example, even if you've been vaccinat against polio, who knows if you're getting exposed to some people probably

are still exactly and so for hepatitis, A good example is that is that when you work in healthcare, you have to get vaccinated for hepatitis hepatitis BRIGHT. And when you start working, they don't just take your vaccination record and say, okay, you're good to go. They measure your antibody levels in your blood because they want to make

sure you have enough of them. If you had enough of them and it's effective, and it's effective for you, and you could you still for an interim period of a day or two contract hepatitis B before your body

eradicates it's such that you can still test positive for it. Yes, And a good answer your question about how confident you are in that vaccine keeping you from getting infected at all is if right now I'm in the hospital and I get stuck with the needle and the person that from a patient that had hepatitis, they immediately give me another booster of the vaccine and they'll give me a treatment for it right away. They'll just treat me prophylactically,

even though I've been vaccinated in the past. So they're telling you with that that we know you've been vaccinated, we know you know you have, but it ain't enough because we just want to be careful. And so, yeah, I think that you can have someone who's still exposed after vaccinations of different kinds and still get infected with things. Yeah.

What what's your take speaking of treatments on what kind of seemed like an aggressive skepticism toward treatments for people post infection, I mean, proud of the vaccine and even post vaccine, like, there seems to be some evidence that there are a handful of treatments that are very effective and they seem to be very frowned upon. Is that fair? Is that what's kind of the take there? Yeah, I

think that's fair. I think my overall perception of it is the approach to the treatments should have been the same as the approach to the questions about how you transmit the virus, do we need masks? How do the vaccines work? It should have been openly, It should have been objective. Does this treatment work or does it not work? And the only way to know is you got to

test it. So early on in the pandemic, people were publishing studies, and it turns out some of the data they were using in those studies were completely fabricated, completely faked, and those studies got retracted right so it was very hard to figure out what is what is real, what's accurate, what's being accurately reported, and what isn't. My my perception here, my my my take on it is that I think

there are treatments that are affective for certain people. I think we didn't do a good enough job of exploring those the same way we didn't do a good enough job of exploring who really is at risk of getting COVID and getting really sick from it. We just kind of took a one size fits all approach. And I think that's why a lot of these treatment questions are being answered a year later after we have the vacs,

were starting the mass eve, we're being tested exactly. So the so the new way of creating vaccine is called the m r N m RNA. You have different types of RNA. That one's the messenger, so that creates the it's the it's the it's the cookbook of how to make it, and this is your body producing it. Yeah, that's the cookbook for how to make the proteins, and your protein is what your body deals with. That's that's the food at the restaurant that you're eating. Yes, so yeah,

so again so, but it's not again. It's kind of like the fast food version of a good hamburger to a degree. And this probably would be the argument or something that that would offend somebody because it's like going to McDonald's getting a burger versus making a burger at home, taking the real virus and making a hamburger for your body to feast on, versus, Hey, we're gonna go to McDonald's. Yeah. Oh, so it's refining, refining, refined, like like sugar, s oil.

It's refining. It's a refined version of the product a little bit. I would mark my words. When the sauce said and done, it's going to be a refined version of the product, because it's how McDonald's is to the burger. It's faster. That's part of America, especially America. I think other countries as well, but especially America. It's about speed. Now. The greatest business to me is convinced what's fastest, what's fastest,

What's what's fastest? Fuck the quality to a degree, right, That's why we're so happy with Chick fil a. Chick fil A is a decent chicken sound, was decent chicken tenders. Compared to everything else that's faster is great, but it's still not as great as a full quality version of the same food. So I think what they're doing is they've found a way to make it faster. They've gotten better perfected it. So which ones are m R n A and which one is what's the old method? Cause

different ones. So you can have the words of like live attenuated virus, that's a weekend virus. You can also have what we're doing with polio, yeah exactly. You can also have just a protein taken and that would just be a vaccine based off of an antigen vaccine, just a protein vaccine. That's what they use an outbreak. Yeah, and so yeah, actually, yeah, I think that is and

so uh and so. But to your point, I think what that what that opens up is this idea that like your vaccine is going to be as good as the target you're using it for a vaccines? What are of those very year to year? I'm not have to go look at what the recent one is because there's also like a nasal one. I think that just it's just made from a protein. I think. I don't think it's even There is a version of the flu vaccine

that is a weakend virus, but that's the one. I think that that might be the inhaled one if you've ever had, like the one you inhale. But the other words, they're gonna get rid of the real one because that's what they've been doing. Like like when I go and I'm sorry, I know my brain somewhere stuff. But it's like to go find seated grapes, it is fucking tough. I got to go to a fu want me or go to sprouts a vineyard. No, it's just just to get seedd Like I just want my fucking grapes with seeds.

I want my watermelon with seeds. I want my milk. I don't want Lewis Pastures method on my milk. I want my ship. I don't beat it up. I wanted myself. I'll heat it myself. So I think was so. Think about how tough it is to find seeded grapes. Think how tough it is to find seeded watermelons. Think how tough it is to find unpasteurized milk. Think how hard it is to find things that people just don't want it. I don't think people don't want them. I think again

it's to convenience. I think what people want is to leave milk in refrigerator longer. It all calls. Don't give a funk at what causes is like yo, I want my milk to last two months. It's like your's milk. It's like, no, no, I wanted to last two months. I'm a little creeped out about some of that, Like, uh God, what is um like shamrock farms where you find that it's got that hard seal on the top of the like seven eleven and it doesn't expire until

April of next year. So that's what I'm saying. So that's my point, you know what I'm saying, Like, even though it seems like it's something nobody wants. It's not something nobody wants. What we want is again it's all about efficiency or convenience or you know, having things that last long versus even though in theory they are not supposed to last long. Milk is not supposed the last long. Grapes are supposed to come with seeds and not donna

kill you and don't taste that bad watermelon. The same thing. So when you start altering things right and it becomes convenianced also means you can grow them anywhere at any time. So then what happens is you lose flavor, Like it's you can eat a watermelon in December like it's freshly grown, and no matter what, it's going to lose flavor because it's a lesser quality version of a real watermelon, it's a diet watermelon. Now that's a good point. What are

we willing to trade off for venience? And I feel like there really is no limiting principle. I think some people will be willing to give everything for convenient And now I'm inconvenient to go get real ship Like I have to drive to go get real milk, I have to go there to get real watermelons doing soon? Are you're getting unpasteurized milk. I'm not gonna tell you because you're trying to shut my spot down. So you donkey milk. No, it's real milk, and it's so great. Goat milk. It's

great milk. Though I believe it, I don't doubt it. Okay, all right, So out of the vaccines, right, So obviously the MADERNA and the fiser r M d r A m M RNA m RNA, the Johnson and Johnson, which I think that you can't even get that right now for something, they scrapped that right, which probably means that's the one I want. When Johnson and Johnson, no more tears, no more fears, the family brand you can trust, that's

the one you want because who they fucking hand. But I'm saying so that's made the old school way right. So that's a weekend virus which was probably whipping all of the people that was getting funked up taking there because the system couldn't hold up. Your system still gotta be able. You can still get knocked out as barty okay,

shifting to delta Shifting to delta um. So this is I've seen a joke on social media, and the joke was it was like all these vaccines, the virus had to get tougher the whip as it was like, okay, then I can't whoop y'all as Okay, I'm gonna go back getting shape, come back and see you all again. But just sent you an article link um scientific report or Scientific Reviewers in that post of the study last

week about that thinking how it works. Yeah, So so that's I think that's the the way to think about it is. It's like it's a tug of war, right, and in between humans and infectious disease, right, viruses, bacteria, We've been living alongside each other for thousands of years, right, and what happens is is we developed some aspect of our immune system where we can fight it off. And then the bacteria or the virus or whatever is gonna mutate.

It's gonna evolve, and it's gonna say, all right, like you said, I'm gonna go prepare at home and I'm gonna come back and get you in a minute. Doesn't want to die and go. The virus just like we do. You got competing in yeah, yeah, exactly to prolong. Yeah, the virus is doing the same. They're making their own MR vaccines, So they're making their own and so and so. That's and so anytime you're dealing with what you're dealing

with the virus and infection of some type. The challenges trying to get control of it without it mutating or changing itself to escape your control or your protection. So one of the best ways you can do this is developed vaccines, right, developed vaccines, vaccine a bunch of people, and then hopefully control the virus to where you know it's it's the numbers have gotten solo that it's not spreading and mutating in polio. Polio is a good example.

That's why we wanted to eradicate polio vaccine everyone. But there are certain things like, for example, the flu virus, which we we've been trying to we've been it's still hanging out and so our relationship with the flu virus is different from polio. Right, we couldn't control it enough. So now what we do is we just say, all right, we're gonna vaccinate as many people as we can every year.

We're gonna deal with the fact that so many thousands of people are gonna get the flu every year and they're gonna die and we're just gonna figure out how to live with it. Right, So, the question with COVID is which path is it gonna go down? Is it going to be a polio or is it gonna be a flu? And that's the question. So about Delta, Yeah, So the question about about COVID is it going to be a polio? Are we going to eradicate it and completely get rid of it? Or is it going to

be the flu? And are we going to keep living with it? That's the question Right now, Nancy Pelosi is saying the same thing about Republicans