Conversations About Celebrities

what am I like? I don't know. It just was kind of weird. So I was thinking about like the texture of it and just I don't know. I freaked myself out. So and then how do you know it's really done? You know when you cook meat, you know that. It was never I know, but you see what I'm saying that don't how do you know it's done? It's a vegetable, It's not a vegetable. So that was that was the other thing we women, we shouldn't eat that much soy. And so that was like a lot of

like soy. So it was like, I'm good. My issue is you really what's worse than meat's process food, and we really you know, the issue with meat, for the most part, outside of the fact they felt like our stumming line and can't deal with it, is the fact

that this processed. So why would I replace process meat with a bunch of process everything else that I don't know how it came to that conclusion to be to taste like meat, think about it, like they make I don't even know what's in Like the famous Star that's like the beyond Superstar at Carl Jr. Why does it taste like meat that's like the one that we had from Fat Burger. I don't know. But it was really good. It was good. It was it was it. I'm trying to tell you. It was high. It was not it.

Remember we put a rings on it maybe I don't know. I can't remember exactly what was on it, but we did a whole lot. You know, I try it again. I didn't want to try it again. Just the fact that I know that the thing okay, so tofu right it turns into you can make it into all kinds of different shapes and like you can flavor however you want and to text your stuff. So that right there made me be like, no, I can't do this because how to hell does this ship do that turn into

everything else? So I just wasn't feeling it. Yeah, so I mean she would just use like mushrooms, mushroom burgers. That was cool, you know, like we just knew like, okay, we're not eating meat. So I was on this thinks my daughter was a vegetarian for a couple of years. Why did you start that? I never asked that, Like why I didn't she wanted to be a vegetarian. So I'm like, I wonder who was she followed one? Probably her from her cousin because she was vegetarian before her.

I don't know. Was it me for eight months? Okay? Health changes, man, I gotta go back because everything now after I did it, it made me be like okay, yeah, you gotta go back because I have more energy, Like it's no yes, like all that stuff to being stuff makes you sluggish, like dairy makes you feel like flam and just like it's unnecessary stuff. I was in so much like shape, like I was in good shape. Now. I just feel like, were you eating vegan and then

did you change your lifestyle? Like were you working out more? Because you're eating vegan, you feel healthier or was it just the food? Yeah? You know what happened. Honestly, what happened was I found out that I had a stomach issue called h pylori where the like the food didn't really digest, so the bacteria didn't really just well in my stomach line. So it was making me sick. So I had to It was like something I had to change for myself, for my health. Did I tell you

the story? I went vegetarian for a whole year, really the whole year. What happened nothing, It wasn't tight. It was like for for what it was like, Okay, so I think there are health benefits right where I felt a little bit more active for the most part, but I was cold all the time. Right, So I realized that the cows the grass they're eating the iron I was using the iron. I was low on iron, so I could feel myself being cold all the time. And really it's just it made eating. And then I also

started too much starch like like I had. Don't get me wrong, I had a couple really dope vegetable like mealsa. Do you like excuse me, do you like vegetables? I love vegetables. Vegetables are awesome. Vegetables side. This is like if you if I had to go, I did twenty one days where I went, yeah, I went no. I went no meat, no alcohol for twenty one days. It was whatever, you know, I don't know. I was going to the church. It was it was the Daniel Fast

what was it? And with jackfruit tacos. So I tried it with her. Yeah it didn't. I'm pretty active period, so it didn't really feel like it changed my party. I was just happy that I can do it just from sticking to it from a disciper standpoint. But it's like ultimately like putting meals together and then you overseason to kind of make up for like the natural taste that meat has, Like I just don't feel like it feels like we started too late, man, you know what

I'm saying. We started too late, like, and I realized that, like, um, like you you start. That's why I was telling y'all the last time we were talking about this, where it's like, why are if if the goal is to get away from meat right on a vegan or vegetarian level, why the hill are we trying to emulate meat products? Burgers and chicken and buffalo wings and tinackos and ship that

you know supposed to have meat and this ship. But honestly, though, it kind of helps when you first started, when you first start, because it helps you to wean off. Because what happened with me. I did pestetarian first for like a week. Then I went to vegetarian, then I went to vew vegan. And what that man was like, that's the real thing. Yes, it's like almost No, I mean no, I didn't know. I didn't know what I meant by that was I stulldn't eat like red meat stuff like that.

But I kind of evened out certain little stuff but was like carbs and stuff like that, cause I wasn't eating any of that. I wasn't doing sugar. No, you're not eating nothing I was eating. I was eating vegetables, fresh fruit. I did smoothies in the morning, ginger tea like I was eating good. Then I you know, I had my little snacks and stuff. You know, throughout the day, I ate a lot. It just wasn't bad stuff. No

seilings g l in the spot. Uh, my co host All Girls Red was happening, bread was having that I got my partner man, one of my special partners man. I met Rick since I've been in the music business. It's not a lot of people I consider friends that I met while in the music business. But Rick Me and Rick like low key was like kindred spirits, Like we both into the same things and we might see our backgrounds are a little different but the same. And

he's into producing and directing film. Super dope brother. Rick was having it, so I was trying to get him to come because I know we was going no seilings. We're starting to do more visual stuff and Rick is really good at it, like this is what he does. Like I've seen him in commercials and randomly tripped out all that, why is Rick in this commercial? I think they were selling houses, like it was a real estate commercial.

Why is he in this commercial? And uh, but I never get Rick took me to a fight on my birthday. Ended up being one of the most special fights I ever saw. Charlotte, I got this crazy knock out of people are about to start fighting in there every second, you know what, Charlotte Maine. Thanks. I'm a troublemaker. I'm not. I just don't run from trouble. I don't shy away from trouble because you've been yeah, and then you kind of get used to it. The courageness of it, of

dealing with it is cool. Yeah, it's crazy. I was listening back um to one of the shows and I'm like, dang, jeez, he made gay banging sounds fun. To be honest, it really is like no, Like I get that the you know, gang banging only seems like what it is because your experience of it. Not you particularly, but I think like nine percent of the population never met a crip or

blood or a drug dealer. Right, So if you know anything about gang banging, most of it is going to come from Rocket and Colors, dough Boy and Boys in the Hood, film Me or Snoop, And none of these movies are about that character. So you they only highlight the most dramatic moments. But most days it is fun. Most days is going to parties. Most days is getting some money. You know, most days is just chilling with

your friends. I mean, you might get even if some of the most active communities it ain't shooting more than thirty days a year. So that sounds crazy, right, because if you're somewhere where there's no shooting. It sounds crazy, but if this is normal in that background, you talk about three hundred city five days, you're you're you're fine to me. But when his own his own. So for the most part, it's fun. You have a lot of fun. You you you trust me. You Most people are not

honest with the whole conversation. But really, when it comes down to it, it's really just a serious brotherhood. You just got different brothers. That's what it sounded like. When I was listening, I'm like, yeah, he makes it sound like it's it's fun and this as a whole, this is a brother man. Can I can I ask you a question? It was like, now signed this, I'm projecting a little bit, but you understand exactly why you're doing

what you're doing. And I don't know that everybody in that space does has down, But but what do most humans really understand that they're doing most humans doing most people that act like they are you know most people that you know people are followers, so they blend into any society. So most people ain't in the politics. I was raised by game bankers and you know, my grandma

and the shore. But at the same time, like you know, I was one of the ones that protected and they kept out and they said, you know, they walk outside and if it might be a week day and may teach me how to fight, make sure I'm gonna be no punk. But at the same time, they weren't encouraging

me to join that space. But when you say most people don't know what they're doing, I think the most problems that people have with game bang is like that the lure where people who have no idea what they're getting into become sucked into it because they aren't listening to everything that's being said. And people were people who have given life fractured us of what the life it really is or what the commitment really means. But you

know what that's like me. So guns are what they used for how people miss you, like sex sex here's a perfect example, sexist for pro creation, how human beings misuse it. I couldn't even argue that, like we spend more time trying to show people how to property miss you something and actually saying this is probably just a

bad idea. You get what I'm saying. So like if I started to discourse like I don't discourage people from gang bang and I just tell him don't like I won't even like you have to convince me why you should be from where I'm from, Like, I don't understand. What if you didn't grow up here? What do you The thing that made it work for me is I grew up here. He's really my friends. I know their mother, Ron Ron, I know his mother, slow Poke, I know his father, Saint Troy. I held him when he was

a baby. D Ever, I held him when she was a baby. This is my homeboys and hunger. My older homies gave me money for me going to the ice cream truck. I mean sure that some of my homies we have to fight. Yeah, but guess what it made me now to where I'm not scared to fight anybody to stand up for myself. So yeah, I can describe it like this. And you have people that misuse their power, just like sex. Sex is a great thing, man, You can make children, you can do a lot of productive

things with sex. We don't do productive things with sex. Sex is actually a domination at this point if you think about it really, like what happens with sex, Like we're fighting right now for people to have the right to have sex and no responsibility after they have sex. We're fighting for the right to people to choose. Like right now they're trying to pass the law to make prostitution legal to sell sex. Yes, that's literally something that just is about to pass or pass or they're trying

to figure out how to make it pass. I mean, it's sounds to me like they're just really making a lot of laws, are really making people accountable for their selves, like they have to make smart decisions. No, they're not, because then you're gonna have health care services that have

to deal with everybody. So if if it wouldn't be a strand on the economy different versus us just teaching each other how to like hey, like I tell you all a lot of time, the only correct way if you're not in a relationship to really see somebody, you know, funk what you is to not have sex and said, that's really the truth. You shouldn't be probably having sex till you married. As weird and crazy as that sounds, and somebody that comes from where we come from, it's

the truth. Really, sex, You know, sex ruins us. It really ruins us, man, because you you start mistaking everything, you start believing sh it ain't true, and you will. It can be a very distraction at times when you need to really I mean, and put the blinders on you too. I think you have to understand all your senses, and if you understand, you know, if you're able to understand and not be controlled by how you feel, you know,

whether it's in sex. I think there's possibilities where you can use it and it can be for pleasure and it can still be ruthful. But I think in general people don't practice things that help them understand. And that's like crypt that's how cripping is. Cripping is like that, like for real. It's like I used it to my benefit. It has been nothing but a benefit to me, you know what I mean. But to some people it's stay detriment.

So there's a there's a purpose and a way to use it, and there's a way to misuse it, and people misuse it. So I agree Rick is writing that sense. It is certain people that you know, hear what I say and they'd be like, oh, well, I can do it. But if you didn't grow up there, I don't know what you're doing. That starts right there. While I'm from is where I grew up at, I was either gonna be in the casual block CRYPT, which is my mom's community, or I'm gonna be a seven story watched crypt like

I am at my dad's community. I would never go find a community to join that I don't know the niggas. Like all of my passion and all of my vigor for whatever I need to do is because I know somebody's mother and father. Why the hell else would I ride for a stranger, Like I go sign up for the military and they pay me for that, right, don't think they're not They don't. They're not thinking like you know, so they're just they need to do it. They're not

thinking like that. But I don't want to believe that it's like like a celebrity, like I'm misleading them. Celebrity speaking. Two things, you said something about misusing influencing that the first thing I think of a celebrity. But also, because we're talking about game banking, you said how you feel about celebrity game bankers like people joint sets and aren't from that name. I think it's cute, but what what do you feel like? Because these hoods are letting these

people everybody every team needs a mascot. Wow, I mean, if you want to mascot yourself around for the community, how can I be upset about that? Sometimes they don't have to make sense, like uh, like the Colorado's is a lion. I think that's the mountain line. I think different teams have mascots, and sometimes the mascots don't make sense, But that don't mean they don't. I don't know what

it is. They got all kind of crazy things. If you if you go through the NBA mascots, because most of the mascots, like what would the Laker would be like a fisherman or something? You know what I'm saying, Like you run around as a lake? I don't know. Yeah. So again, sometimes the mascots don't make sense, which is like the celebrities, you know, join the communities. But who am I gonna? Sometimes I tripped like little Wayne in Tupac from the same gang. Yeah, both from the mob.

Ain't that crazy? Yeah? Man? And no one has half the battle. I was sad. No, But what I'm saying is I I agree, like I don't know why people do that. I don't. I could never tell you. The only reason that I'm from where I'm from is because I grew up there, but he was some of you know I'm saying, so, I don't know why somebody who was a celebrity or a regular person like, I don't

know how. I just was talking about this earlier in two thousand and thirteen, I was doing a concert in the Y and that's how I found out Chris Brown was from Fruittown, like my boy wife from Fruittown, who was like a lifelong fruit Town like I'm a lifelong seven Street. We knew each other before the music business. And he was like, hey, you in the Y. I'm like yeah. He's like, I'm over here right now with Chris Brown. Come pull up, laughing, come check this out.

I'm like, okay. So I go over there and there in this field in Hawaii and Honolulu, right there in the field with a big building and they're tagging up on the building like Chris Brown is like this super Chris Brown is unbelievably super talented. Listen, Nick Dan slammed the dunk the ball, He get graffiti and beat up girls. Not forgetting that's a joke. That was a joke for you. I had a called epiphany, I'm gonna say to you,

had an epiphany. Chris Brown started off with Michael Jackson talent and ended up Bobby Brown, and Usher started off with Bobby Brown talent and ended up Michael Jackson. Wow, think about that. Chris Brown got it all like Usher, Like Usher got confessions. That's almost like thriller. That's like Thriller Jr. Chris Brown is still a lot of like Bobby Brown. Like Brown had all these one offs, these

one take joint that was popping. He made a ghostbuster song, cop crazy stuff off this crazy stuff out of the business, personal life right right, But let me get back to the point because we finish talk about that. It's a whole another contrast. No, look though, I thought about that too, trim. But uh so I said Chris, Right, So I'm like what up? I'm whack? What UPY? Are we chopping up? Like check this out and come check it out. So I woke up Chris like, oh what up? G I'm like, oh,

what's happening with a gold blah blah. You're like, oh yeah, everything cool man on fruit thoughts blah blah talk. I was like this think is just say I'm tripping back for sure. So he he was talking to me, he was like, yeah, you know, nigga's tripping. You know what I'm saying, pop Rue blo him. Niggas don't wand it this that I was like, holy shit, like and and it sounds negative and I'm I'm a huge supporter of Chris Brown. I love Chris right, but that was their mascot.

Then they got Soldier Boy and this crazy mascot. I get it. No, we didn't need this to to take a fade. I feel like earlier you were going on a different path because I feel like celebrity kind of like distorts everything. It's like it takes away the meaning where so many people will align with the mascot, but the players are the ones who really made it, you

know what I mean. And I feel like there's a center of being from a neighborhood in this community, and often the things that are replaced the things you go finding that community that may be lacking other spaces in these communities, in our communities. And then you get the mascot say Sued. More not have heard. I never heard blood say Sue when I was younger, you know what I'm saying. I was like, that's what so many more millions of people you know what I'm saying, associate with

They don't know what's ogs. They don't know who put him on, They don't know who. We don't know if you gotta pay somebody when he comes to town or who they genuinely love tune. Tune is really their guy. But this is what it is, Rick, I, I totally get what you're saying, right, because it is a bit tough. But that's be honest. Most people net that's what makes our world that we come from, Like I could like,

I consider it the upside down and stranger things. It sounds crazy to everybody else where we grew up at. It don't even sound like it's real. You gotta think right, it's more competent and Watts. It's not more competent in watching than there is Lakewoods. It's more suburbs in America than it is these places that we are from, these small niche communities. So they won't have a better understanding

no matter what happens. WHOA think about it the closest they can probably even feel the reason being a blood is probably even more okay. Where they like the police may not kill you is because a little way so take it outside of it. I mean, is it influential the square, Sure, it's it's it's gonna be battle class people inside. I think you can apply the same template to almost everything, and that like celebrity is the enemy

of expertise. It's like, but it's like, we can change our relationship with celebrity, but I feel like we keep signing up for exalting celebrities and their opinions outside of the thing that they're every single time in every single way. And it's like, then we're mad at the celebrity for being the celebrity. Was like, we're the one who made them instead of My home girl was telling me the other day, I was talking to you about Kanye, which

I hate to talk about Kanye again. God damn man, exactly exactly just determined it for me to talk about. This is why you have to talk about I think he believes that genuinely, that's what you keep saying. But I just don't feel that. I feel like he knows. I know, I just feel like he knows what he's doing.

He's like the king of this ship, right Yeah. But I don't think the problem is I think he believes that he Kanye is like me without burden, like he sits him around and studies this ship and figures it out and figures it out to a certainty to where I don't give a funk what you say. This is what it is. And I think that's great for artists as any artists, right, it's just an art The problem is, I'm talking to my home girl and my home girls a super talented singer, and she was like, yeah, you know,

we don't have enough leaders like Kanye. I'm like a leader. And that's when he became the first time. I was like giving you. I'm giving you the right, bro, I'm telling you you are right. Because I was like Kanye leading somebody. It's like, who the fun is following Kanye? I'm not following. I wouldn't follow Kanye into a McDonald's. But I I started to understand because people follow money, they follow influence and success. Yeah. But but but this

is my issue with Kanye. We celebrate Kanye for right reasons. We celebrate him for good reasons. He is a brilliant man, not a genius. I don't I'm not doing a genius thing. This. It's like you come up with, ain't never happened. Kanye is the best at interpretating anything. He could take a song and make it a shoot and it will make sense. He is a brilliant person, very brilliant. But when it comes down to it, I think he's an artist and that's it. But we do celebrating for a good reason,

and we should. I think it's fair to celebrate him. Now. We shouldn't let him lead us anywhere. We can listen to his ideas, and then if his idea is good, we he should ask that on to a person who's actually qualified to lead in cultural experiences. My issue with celebrities is why the funk are we celebrating Kim Kardashian. That's my problem, not Kanye. I get why we celebrate Kanye West. I get why we celebrate jay Z. They

are talented poets. Kanye is a talented producer. Well, some people may think, like, Kim Kardashian is doing you know, for the people right now? And why do we celebrate her? Why is celebrity saying what I'm saying. I don't celebrate her, But I'm saying some people asking you, why do we celebrate her? I think there's two different things. It's like, why is Kim Kardashian celebrity on the level. Well, it's a different question than what she's doing with the celebrity now,

because that's what I'm saying. I work in a group called represent Justice and Goals, and she's actually showing up. I'm not doing cool getting people partner. Now. I can see why people. I can see why people like her, But Rick, you're not a celebrity. We don't celebrate you for that mission. So why are we celebrating her? Think about And that's my problem. I think. I think to become a celebrity, right, the root word of celebrity, right,

it is rooting, and we celebrate someoney. We usually celebrate people's talents. That's why somebody becomes a celebrity. Is a good actor, so he becomes a celebrity, you know, Right, that's the key, Right, Why do you celebrate Kanye I mean Kim Kardasha. Why, Like I've seen this thing with Cardi B the other day, right, Um, well even Cardi B as a personality, So that's why I said she was a fantastic, fantastic entertac. Well, actually she's just a

She's just a diet sister. She's a diet sister from the corner, and it's still die like she's like a black woman light m It's just it's just entertaining to watch her do this. I think she's like Puerto Rican. Puerto Rican. All Puerto Ricans diet, Like, what are we doing? Puerto Rican too, He's a diet Like what are you saying? No is different everybody. Fat Joe no, no, listen, this is what I'm saying. Yeah, but Fat Joe grew up in forest houses projects, So those niggas I would be

have to be mad. I couldn't be mad at Fat Joe. N I need to be mad at them if I was on the trip. But that's the nigga, so I ain't got nothing to say. He don't call me like I ain't his nigga. That his niggas, So he wouldn't he be referencing like my niggas he talking about his niggas Puerto Y. I mean, it's not like a huge population. That's how I don't know. We got mask. We got Mexican niggas war from Okay, so niggas that we grew up with. My homeboy Kasper, that nigga been around me

my whole life. My matriarch family and my gang raising. That's my nigga, and I'm his nigga. That's my guy, and I can't hear differently. He's been calling me as nigga since he's four. Okay, okay, that's my nigga. Mando, that's my guy. It's my nigga. But listen, she but she is Dominican in her dominic, her father's dominic, and her mother's Tinidad in the same thing. She black. That's not black. Why is it not black? Stop doing that? So y'all invite anybody. No, you can be like from

the you can be a Negro from Trinidad. But black is a special cultural experience Black American. But that's the only black that we're talking about. That's the only black we've been talking about. We ain't talking about Nigerian black. They're Nigeria. I am saying black because yeah, we're only talking about the experience. We'd be like, oh that you might know, they don't. That's the new ship that just

started two days ago. I just started makes sense that want to that's might call yourself an African American is technically blame. But we call ourselves black to rebuke America. But I'm saying African American. I'm not mad at them. So when I say black, I'm speaking specifically of this cultural thing that we got going on. I had another epiphany I want to share with thinking. I read about it to me two days. No, the black experience is how the world treats you. Black culture is how you

treat the world. The black experience is how the world treats you that same, by that same, why can't Cardi Cardis identifies as black? She's black? No, Cardi be can have a black experience, but she's not a black culture. But no matter what, no matter which way you slice this, how how you identify somebody is how you identify somebody. But I am I'm king black. No, no, no, no, no, that's the problem. Yes, I can stop her after, I can stop her at the door. Yes I can. Lies. No,

it's not. We wouldn't let that white lady identifies black to save her life. What's that lady name? Yeah, we wouldn't met her. No, that's that's different. That's like what rare it took your change. It wasn't different. That's like when Debo took your change. It was not different. That's different. No, what about when you talking me out smoke backyard. You can't do that. You can't make it close. Listen, black is a cultural experience. It's cultural. It's not even the experience.

Forgive me for that. It's a cultural life. It's not just you came from Africa. Every Jamaican people and black people in this country have different cultures. We may have the same experience, we may have the same experience because white people ignorant, they see everybody is one of us. They like y'all want of them until they start to back. Oh man, you need to get him in his neighborhood you're talking about. No, I'm talking culture because whenever we're

talking America, we're talking culture. Well, we can talk culture and you can you can categorize this whatever weight like. In theory. What you're saying works. But if she decides to somebody know, I'm saying, she's not you. You're saying, but my word is everything. Yes, it does. Check and the things that are hip hop, cripping and black. I

have authority say. Okay, so you know the ethnicity thing, right, when you check the box it says Spanish or Latino descent, you say none, right, and then under it has all the other ones. It's say black. She don't check the black black, she checks the Latino box, and then she's not Why would she check both two or more? Why y'all just reaching y'all know, y'all know we got people who got that already. Did she say she's a black woman? No,

she said so, she said something like that. She said something like that, but then she said something else that made me think twice. She she talked about the fact that her people come from African roofs. But then she said she when she was dating off that she said, I like the date people different than me. Y'all both from her. That means you know this nig is a nigger because you wouldn't say. I bet you Nikki would never say that. And I'm not in the middle of

a war. I'm just saying Nikki wouldn't be like dated Meek Mell because he dating somebody different than me. I'm telling you this lady is Latina, and that's the dope I'm saying. Look, racially, she is a Negro, she comes her people come from Africa. She's not a Cauca zoy, She's not a manga. Lloyd you know, she's not that she's a but we're not talking about that. We're talking about when we say black, we're talking about a culture role thing. She grew up Dominican culture. In Trinidadian culture,

wasn't nobody making greens and ship at the house. It was entirely too much rice with every meal. She don't know nothing about, none of the neck bones and none of that. I'm not saying, and I'm not saying. I'm just saying, that's what being black is like without If you're a black person that grew up in Beverly Hills, you don't really have black culture. I know that sounds fucked up, but it's true. You can have a black experience because everybody in this buffalo treat you like a nigga.

For sure, you this work, But ain't nobody the things that bond us together. When we create this lingo, right, Rick, when we create this lingo, it's different. That's why we talked the way we talked, Rick, Like what's up? Like, that's us, that's us from bad educational programs at school. Feel me, that's us. That's how we talk. That's our linguage, that's our language. You know, we don't even really speak American English. Where I'm from in Beverly Hills, they speak

American English, but they speak American English. Yeah, but we speak slang. When I was not classes two, but it was like when I was saying, ain't I had a seventh seventh grade teacher, Miss Dixon. She was like, you can't say I say whatever I want to say. I got aids on all these damn tests. I can say what I want to say. I can speak out and not school. How did you talk to sleep? I talk to perfect American English? You never listen. I would be I was, I would put in a nigga with five

syllable word, but you added the nigga. But and probably most times I probably I'll probably take it out a little bit more. But at the same time, I have the latitude to do whatever I want and be whoever I want. Stands I'm saying. But if Carti wants to nope, nope, no, no, we have to start closing the door. Listen, listen. I don't know that person what I'm saying. I'm not. But that's not the point. I don't even talk about cause now we we knew the focus. But no Carti B

is definitely not black as far as culture goes. Okay, racially, she is a negroy like us. Culturally, she's not black. That's really what it's called. You're about to say something else, but no, but she said something specifically about so we celebrate Carti's personality. That's her talent. She has as lighted side of her as a personality, and it's bright. But she was talking and arguing with another rapper lady, and it was arguing on Twitter, and I you know, it

came across my timeline. She was like, you know some something like you my songs, my talent speaks for themselves. And I started to think, like what is her talent? Like I thought her talent was on television? You know what I'm saying, Like when she was a Cardi B. Like, what's Cardi b tent? Like that's card but that's not she doesn't rap like that. Well no, no, not to me. Like party writes her wraps, the engineer moves it on beat. It don't matter. She's an artist. She still get out

there and she's not an artist. Now if you want to say, that's maybe her talent, but I've never I've never heard great things about her concert and I've never heard like that Cardi B concert was going up, never in my life. I'm not saying it does. I'm saying that she didn't showcase a picture of her concert and said, my talent speaks for herself. She was referring to her records, and I was saying, it's like TLC, Like, if I question your talent at that point, I'm not wrong. I

don't know why you are talented now. But that's not the point. I know why we celebrate Cardi B. We celebrate Cardi B from hip hop, loving hip hop. She's a talented person that's selling her personality. She's a I still don't know what kim talent is. Even if I see her show, it's stale. She's a stale character, stale personality. Her looks is actually made and I'm not talking ship like literally, she has classic surgery. I saw her sex

tape that wasn't impressive. You don't celebrate her, you have to ask somebody who celebrates There's a subset of people who identify with her and who feel like should they represent a version of themselves. They like to identify with just like anybody I just like I can't. You don't have to vouch what we're not in that space. But I'm not saying them crazy. What I'm saying to you

is that's what wrong. That's what's wrong with you. When you're talking about celebrity and what's wrong with celebrity, we actually celebrate nothing today. I'm talking about as a society, not not glasses a rig orrid age. I'm saying, we have people that have no talents that we celebrate. Like we're celebrating people's baby mother because they got pregnant. Think about it. I don't know, that's not true. Little babies, baby mother. I don't know her. Jada Jada, she's a celebrity.

We celebrated because she gave a little baby some pussy. No, they celebrated because she's she's like a social media icon right now for for social media. What do you mean social media? Is that look just because you don't like it or you don't it's not about liking it there is. She has no talent, literally, that's hers. She makes talent because she's little babies, baby mother. She's not a model.

Between the model that the social media now that is the new Like the magazine still exists they do, but they don't know. You're following her because you want to be the girl that little baby slept with, So you're idolize somebody that little baby slept with. That's the truth, that's the true day. For us to really get to this, we would have to only talk about people that we

actually celebrate. Everybody I celebrate has talent, But I have never celebrated a woman somebody slept with because I celebrate that. I agree that, and I think that. But what we're saying is these people are celebrities. People want to feel like, oh, I know you. If you if you see your teacher at the grocery store, she's a celebrity. Is like, oh snap, our teacher gets groceries. That's we should be celebrating teacher.

But talent I'm talking about. What I'm saying is there's a certain level of celebrities like, oh, I know this person, I can describe them, I can give you a shorthand and you I'm not saying I'm not speaking of which I actually knowing this person. But I think what's lost in the whole celebrity thing, and it's ultimately ultimately very detrimental to our cultures we don't know these people, That's my point. But we know Kanye. Well we have no choice,

but no, we know Kanye. Y'all just fought it. Rick y'all fought it. And when I first walked through here, I was saying this, you've been doing this bullshit like y'all made it like a big deal because he said, if George Bush don't like black people, all my fac no, all y'all Kanye guys who used Kanye to walk in he's a big deal to me? Why? Because ultimately he was a representation, a public representation of a space that

I didn't know it exists. That is the space in between like the way I was, the way in between, the gainst the ship that I was raised up that I was kind of kept out of, and seeing a space where you can actually loves are outside of the culture that we created in a sense of like that. And that's because I'm gonna tell you why he never represented this. That'side right there. Oh slow down. He didn't have to what he'd represented. What he represented was his

own thing. I didn't have a conversation with him about what he represented. You heard his music. His first song was about a car accident. Okay, how many everybody, It's not a cultural part. He's a low rider. Finished my point. Gay, When I was in high school, I didn't know. I'm from bakers for a small minded place. It's a very shot at I thought there was almost got shot up there.

Not when you came from sleep, No, no no, no, this was when I was up there in the homies, been trying to bully some niggas and pulled out a big gun. Niggas had to get on. All right, that's a whole with the people of the podcast. That's my that's my place where I But the way I was raised, it was a very small window of what you could be as a black person. Also just culturally, the time was different.

We used to talk ship about black skateboarders, We used to talk about everybody who was outside of the purview of what we were doing. Was as far as athletes, and grew up, how we grew up and that the and it comes down like now it's like I didn't know that those things could exist. I was very much influenced by how what everybody else celebrated. And now I look at it like the high school meet was folly for you know what I'm saying getting on a black skateboard.

I don't skateboard, never skateboarding the day in my life. But now I look at what Tyler Crater has done, all these type of people, and it's like they have the Internet and they can see that black and exists in all different types of spaces and it isn't limited to the one. But those are very much still street urban things. So even if they're not our street urban experiences, that sure, sure, But but that's what Tyler showed you.

But Tyler, Tyler showed me at least. But also everything that kin't represents, like some of it, like the musical choices he made, even the way he articulated his love for fashion and other ship that he was in is something that I didn't. I was not privy to in that way. But but and so it's like, why came here. I was wearing double lexes, That's what. And the ship didn't fit. Even though you can wear what I'm saying, I've gotten smaller, you know what I'm saying. I'm not.

I'm not. I'm not. Literally you can't even wear some ship that fit when I came Black people, Listen, black people can exist everywhere. But the difference is what YA specifically is that one party. Rick, no matter what, that you grew up still rooted in the streets. He don't have that. I understand that. And that's why. That's why right now, that's why I'm not following the ship. But he's doing right now. But I'm telling you existed. But we're making the music and being a representation that was

honest to whatever he was. It's like, I don't the kind of sounds like the reason I know, but he doesn't. It's not exactly the same. It's not even nowhere near the same. Rick is not no part Rick is not no part of that guy. That's the problem. And Rick Van certain one of my homies who kind of looked because they're like, Okay, well I just didn't subscribe to the street life, right, But that's not what Kanye represents.

Day Lasoul represented, that exhibit represented, that tribe called Quest represented that I was no Kanye West represents Eddie Winslow. Eddie Winslow was never in the streets. Rick is not Huxtable. He is not theo Huxtable. He I'm excuse me, what's the little what's your brother name? The yeah, Yeah, what's his what's his name? He's not THEO Hustable. He's not Eddie Winslow. Kanye is the proverbial black kid who grew

up in the suburbs of him. Actually he's actually, he's actually Eddie Winslow grew up on the South Side of Chicago together. He is not from the streets at all. His family is not from the streets at all. Nothing about him he didn't pretend to be. I'm not mad at him pretending to be, but I mean, the only person that was happening. That's not true. They are sold and pretended to be thugs. Try didn't pretend to be thugs. And they weren't celebrated in the same They didn't achieved

the same level of success. And they also were completely separate from it. They wasn't separate, No, they weren't. They was the ship. A mob was the ship. What you're saying is yea, and this is the problem. You did what most people do. He used hip hop as a door. He acted like he was one of us to get the door, and then told you he looked up to Marilyn Monroe when he was young. I don't know no brother from the hood that like Marilyn Monroe, I swear to God, it's right there. Yes, Jay is a different

breed though he and I'm not knocking him. I thought he's one of the greatest scientists to engineer records, one of the greatest scientists to engineer records in hip hop. Like he's a fantastic, brilliant producer. Right, But again, when the depth of your initial struggle is a car accident, that's all American as apple pie. The next song your boss accusing you're still in pants. That's like the songs that's like the depth spaceships. The next song is all

falls down, like he doesn't have. Kanye got in right, and he celebrated because when fifty cent came out, people thought hip hop was heading back into a place of tupop in biggie. So they gave Kanye a foot and was like, let's just push this so we can have something. I think it's me it's fucking fantastic. Is my top five. That don't mean he's not a fucking cornball. I like a lot of pop acts. But I'm saying that's why

people are mad. Now. I was mad then I was when he said that ship about George but and he kind of stuttered, George Bush doesn't like my favorite rapper said fuck Reagan wholeheartedly on every platform. Ice t set that ship on open. Why doesn't matter what any rate? I mean because as a person, when you come from our culture and you know better than anybody, even though you're not a gang member, we say ship with our chess.

I understand that. What I'm saying is if we're talking about celebrity, and we're talking about celebrity influence, like why does Kannie want to run for politicians have any traction? Why does Rhnald Reagan even as a celebrity, like outside of even our culture. It's like he makes good music. We got all the way off track about Kaye, Like why don't we ignore everything from kind It is a music, Okay,

he made certain because of fashion. Maybe we can that because then we started because when you start to celebrate, right, and somebody comes to celebrity. So once you start to celebrate somebody, you start to determine their greatness. The goal is to celebrate the only great things, right, that's the initial point of what we used to celebrate. It's all out of control now, Like I said that but I'm saying and Kanye is because the same thing running Reagan

as an actor. That's why I brought him into the conversation. And and to be honest, like Kanye is not the modicum of like he's going to stick with anything. I think the principle of the lack of principles in some ways is probably, but I'm not, I'm not. Did you hear the quote he said about Lady Gaga when she was the creative director of Polaroid. It was like a quote, He's like, Lady Gaga, I like some of the songs,

but why does she know about cameras? And I thought that she was great, But I also think, like Nigga, you're talking about yourself. But also he's talking about us, and that there was he's talking about us because Polaroid needed a creative No, not not you, but us. If we go we start doing that Kanye translating, here's the thing, here's the thing, though, here's the thing. Polaroid needs a creative director. They probably need a creative director who knows

everything that ends it, outs, the camera, stre etcetera. Lady Gaga probably gets them further because of how people respond to celebrity, and I think we apply that everywhere. What's what? Who? What? Celebrities voting for? Who? And why? Like we don't know what research they did, what celebrity got vaccinated or didn't like all of these things. We allow that and we say these things are elevated because of celebrity. But but, but but I'm telling you why we celebrate what we

used to. We used to celebrate extremely talented people. How so so talent what talent comes? Gift? Is there anybody comes? Is there anybody you choose to celebrate that? No, but I've never celebrated anybody's not talented? So is there? How do we collectively, how can we use this platform, this influence to reduce or to change the way we interact with celebrity, Like are there things like should we not buy?

Like should we buy you know, somebody's headphones? I mean, I don't want to put nobody under the bus, or like should we buy somebody's headphones? Like music? But it's like dres you know, the best mixer. Of course he had of course he had phones. He kind of like Kanye makes dooblem so he could be a good president. That's how people see it Kanye albums. The way he talks, he couldn't be nothing but the grape. I would vote

for Kanye. I would vote for Kanye only because I love to see the world in this arraye because I genuinely I've seen what every white man looks like as president. It's never been beneficial. Man should be president before Kanye's infide, I can't think of three I can give me. Give me three people that's black that should be the black, not not Kenyan in white like Barack. Give me black people. Give me somebody that grew up culturally. Give me three people. Man,

you always do. Give me No, I'm asking you. He's a black person in the Minote for him, yes, because I would love to see what it would be like with him as president. I am tired of seeing white older white men this and about to die. That's the president now he is two days away from dying. That may be up there talking for getting what he said. And I'm not talking because I think that's a tough job. So I know it's a stress and pressure. But this man is about to die and he up there making

decisions for everybody. That man like a hundred and three all I'm saying. All I'm saying, Rick is give me three more qualified black people in America to be the president. I think the only person I can think of it Claude Energy. And I don't think people will care for him because he's just an economics like, he's just an economics guy. I don't even know. If I had to start choosing right, just name a black person, name a popular black person, name of name a political great black person.

If you say Maxie Waters or Kanye, I'm gonna say Kanye. I'm just being honest. Who can we put on the ballot that's better than you? Now, I'm not saying would he be a great president? I don't know. It's Biden a really good president. Yes, some hundred and thirty seven dollars a gallant? What about? Um? I'm just saying, who give me that person? Give me a black person? You up on this? I'm not. I'm not a political person,

but you still, I'm dead serious. I would rather change your question to, like, what celebrities do you trust the most? Are the celebrities that you feel like because are we talking about just celebrities that we're talking about people? I'm talking about people that's even I mean, who set up for the trade, who set up for the presidential trade? Who is that person? The last person was Barack Obama, and I thought he did a crappy job, at least

for black people. I think he had I think he did a really great job as American president, but I think he did a horrible job as a person. As like one of us. It matters. It matters to me, why are we It just matters to me. I think if you black, you should do special things. I understand if nobody else agreed, it's important to me. I'm so over here trying to think of the You're not in a politics, So give me somebody that's not a politician that you'd be like, man, there would be more of

a of a firecracker in kanyan office. Firecrackers, I mean, somebody who would really try to you're the only person who wants a firecracker in office? Yeah, because I really want to see sure, dictator. I don't think I should really be taking that, Yes, because I really because if I let y'all make decisions, you're gonna make bad decisions, and then I supposed to be okay decisions. No, I'm going to make a decision. Nothing Kanye does, but you believe he's gonna make good decisions in I believe in

what Kanye do. I believe in the record teammate. I believe he I'm not choose but everybody else like him. But his choices. Do you believe in the choices he made? What choices did he make? He married a white lady, do you okay? And then just like um when he got up there and he said, George Bush, do you like all the great people would never take the guy like Ice Q would have been a great president, but he won't even take the job no more. The guys who I look, you got to think would happen when okay,

when Kanye came. Think about it, Kanye has more nuts than every rapper outside of Kendrick Lamar since two thousand and four. There's nobody that's even like. Puff is beating up every all the celebrities today. Puff is beating them up. Puff is threatening people. Puff was threatening Kanye like they argue when he liked talking to Puff, like do something to me. I'm looking like Puff is streny. Puff was not that nigger in my time when I was a kid,

Puff was like nigg I will eat puff lunch. They gotta come with a fork and like what you're eating? Puff is like that to me, I eat puff fucking food. Like, I'm not negatively, I'm just saying Puff is threatening Kanye. That's where we at in masculinity. Puff is the most mad. Puff punched out Drake, Puff choked out j Cole. Damn, they's just really I'm not joking, like like Puff is having fights with rappers. Puff. I didn't at the table when we were younger. Tough was like, no, I'm not

with none of that. I don't want none of that that y'all got going on. I'm out of that. Oh man, Puff person with Sean right now? Brother, love is about love. I'm just saying, you see how you look, how you texts? We need to meet up. He told Kanye that Kanye posted the text. He's like, Hey, we need to get up in person, not on social I was like, who is that? Din't turned to Shug turning the ship, bro, you called texting people right? He said, we need to

talk a person. Suck this social media ships funny? He told this social media we need to meet up first. I don't think they would keep playing puffed and put hands on Drake puffed and choked out j Coley for short plus Jake Drake pump ran up the club man s so Kanye. But I'm just I'm not saying that. I'm not saying it because I think Drake a fighter person. But that's not the point. What I'm saying is Yea is like the hardest guy since two thousand four not

named Kendrick Lamar. I would think, with all due respect, me could be mad at me if I say this, But I think Yea is even colder than me. Like I think Yeah is more of some ship than me. Kids and Meek is like to proverb, your modern day street rapper. You be doing some ship man, he says some ship, and I don't agree with it. He'd be walking around today. He was in a South Central dinner eaten by himself. That's glasses, that's you. We say what we want to. The man got something I'm not I'm

talking about. No, that's not about Kanye. That. What I'm saying is I understand why we celebrate him, and we were going to the point of what I'm saying. If he ran for president, I would celebrate his music. No, I'm sick. No, because his music. You're talking about nbing for president. That's not a series. But I'm telling you if Dre does okay, it's a serious topic because if he goes on that ballot, people are not gonna not gonna win. You would, for sure, I thought he did.

It was one of the most entertainly presser. You would only vote for Kaye because you knew he wouldn't win. No, I would vote Kanye if he could win, because what could be worse another old white man that's gonna lock us up? What else you want my vote for? Who is? Give me a white candidate that's better. I would vote, you know what, vote for Kanye over Kamala. They're not making those decisions. Would you vote for Kanye over Kamala? Absolutely not. That's crazy. I'm not messing with Kamala. You're

not being honest, Like you really like Kamala hair? Do you really like Kamala hands? That's her feel Her field was locking up niggas. That wasn't her, that was her field. But now all of a sudden she's qualified to be the president. Yeah, you'll do a better job president. I just think we don't have I think we don't have specialists anymore. That's my problem. I don't think we have good Honestly, it's gonna sound worse than I want to sound rich. I don't think we have really good human

beings anymore. So like there's who is the new Martin Luther King? Dr Umar and he not listen, no, no, likesten think about where were at your look? But I said that I'll do anything to get you to stop talking about King. But listen, Dr. You can talk about listening. Dr Barr is hilarious. I'd say that he's listen, I'll watch your stand up special. Now if Umar now Umar rather president, I'm me and again, listen, I know he agains are be a better president of kind for black

people for sure. Listen. I would love every all the six months to be president. That's I don't know, tragedy. Listen, we celebrate, We celebrate these people. Right, you're making this a micro conversation that could be a macro conversation. I understand it, and I'm not saying I'm telling you this is the Okay, this is the normal path since the beginning of time. What's the normal path? People allowing celebrities to cross spaceness, to cross space to show off greatness.

But why they have to be limited to you saying that there's limits? Should I think? I think celebrities the enemy of expertise, and I think we should find ways to evaluate things that are actually rooted in any other type of logic. The celebrities should not be elevated like lady guy, I should not be able to do more for polar order. Should not be more quality, you know, be you know, entitled to the job more than someone who's spent their life study in that field, in that craft.

And I feel like expertise actually exists. And I think we get into problems when we ain't got nothing else to pay attention to it. It's a pandemic and we're wondering what celebrity got vaccinated versus a medical expert. And I think, like, so we should have listened to Fauchi. Listen, I'm not listen. Why do you want to want to make it micro? I'm just saying this is a perfect example. If I'm talking about cripping, I'm talking to you, and you want to talk about is a profession that everybody

be their expert? Like this one thing Falci is that you asked me listen, and I would trust Fauchi for medical attention more than I would trust you. I wouldn't give you none. But at the celebrity I wouldn't tell you. I would not listen people ask me about people ask me about vaccination. You know what I told him, You gotta shoot your own dice. I shoot my own dice. I respect that I'm not I don't respect respect that

we talked about. I would never tell Mike Tyson about like I'd be like, this is my opinion, Mike oldest sport of what I shan So why are you endorsing Damn? I wish I didn't say it, because because there is no there's no experts and policies. Who is the best excellence in policy? Michelle Alexander is an expert in policy. As far as you know what I'm saying, mass incrospration. Yeah, but that they become a will be a much better president than kind I think in a particular field. But

I'm saying in any particular field. Like even if I don't like talking about politics, I don't believe in politics as an institution here, which is why I literally didn't even opten to the conversation. Sure, I think they're much more substance things that we can talk about that we exhaust celebrities in you know what I'm saying, And I don't know. I'm not I'm I'm listening. I would never I would never think of kind. I would never tell

a celebrity run for president. But if you're going to put yourself on ballot, and it's a choice between you and an old white man, you pick him? Why would I not picky over another Biden? Tim? Would you pick y over another Biden? Time? See that's crazy? Okay, Yea, some hundred gallon should be cheaper. You ain't gonna be like yall something about my kids? I think, easy don't like. I think Yea is a great humanitarian. I think I think, I think for all where fails as a black man.

This sounds worse. Let me just get my point. I think for all that he fails as a black representative. For you, where you like, I appreciate him as a black man, he succeeds at being a humanity, like a human like he is more of a global person, then he should belonged to us. Which that's my point. He never belongs to us. I mean as far as the gold of life, you had a family and meets your children. You know, he became a specials. He provided the world

with great music to enjoy. Everybody has a great shoemaker is a great human if you make shoes for people like thinking about them old shoemakers, like I got some shoes customery cast me two. I walked into this room you were talking about, yes, everything. Yeah, he needs a DP because because he's he's disappointing black people. He's disappointing period. No, he's not. His music is great. Some people are not disappointed in ya. I'm as a black man because I'm like, bro,

don't embarrass this in front of the white people. Okay, so he's been doing this for for a while. I literally said, That's why I'm not mad. While I'm not saying we should be canceled, I'm not saying that she closed the bank. I'm saying we should bend had DP him. But we're not talking about yet. We're talking about these celebrity number matter what to have everything there. I agree with you. I think the problem is Rick like Ronald Reagan.

I had to study Ronald Reagan's presidency a little bit more far making a judgment on that because as a black man, it's an f already. But I'm sure white people had to be somewhat happy for him. But what I'm thinking is where celebrity is going. I'm okay with where the celebrated that are talented is going. I'm okay because we've been there. We've been there with Ronald Reagan. We've been there with people that don't have a right, that don't have super excellence in that field, but they're

still with successful. Kanye is a great shoemaker, even though he knows it about shoes. Okay, I'll if you have kids. So this is like, I want to use this analogy to make a point about celebrity, which it may actually apply to this, but just think about it in other spaces. If I told you and b person, you have to let somebody baby sit your kids. I have a babysitter you've never met, but who has whatever, has been a caretaker twenty years, impeccable record, never had anything, you know,

never had a stain on the record. Versus your neighbor who's seventeen, don't know about kids, but you know them, who's babysitting your kids? My neighbor. Okay, my neighbor sitting my baby right now, what do you think about it? Because I know her, so I I know her intention, I know she knows me. I feel more comfortable with her. The other person. Yes, she's more qualified, but I don't know her to where I feel like, Okay, I can leave you in my home with my child, and I

know that you have that love from my child. See this is also um we we live in the same community, so you see my baby all the time. My daughter gets happy when she sees you. This other person she doesn't know. Okay, yeah, you have all the qualifications, but who are you? That's how my daughter is going to

be looking at her too, Like right, it's tough. But if I told you that the person who you think loves your kid makes something in the bottle because she didn't know anything, and then's something bad to your kid,

and it's like, well I knew that person. That gives you like a plausible like you know, I mean it's about but it's separate from the area that we're talking about as far as like who would be more qualified, And it's like and I think, but that's actually but that's actually great that's that's damn near the only thing where Okay, I understand it, But it's like the same thing a mechanic's like, Yo, you got whoever? You know

what I'm saying, Like, Yo, I got Madonna here? Hey Madonna, will you please fix my carburetor that she ain't working in what I'm saying, I'm gonna do this my whole life. I'm saying Devin Gates did it with no God damn what I'm saying. What are we talking about? Facts? Facts? It's tough. But but the problem is also, like I said, back to your original point, who is really an expertise in these fields? Well, I think that ninety percent of the things we're talking about has a built in space. Yeah,

but that don't mean that experts in defeated. Also, it's but celebrity damn they're sure. Doesn't mean they're experts. Like I like to see. Okay, do you see a clip this week the Rock somebody passed their baby to Rock on the stage, like I Rock holding this baby. That is right. You ain't never seen Rocket. And Rock is gonna be the president one day, would you really think about it? Johnson is going to be the president. But I don't know if I'm with you, but but you know,

nothing gonna change in the rockets the president. We just ain't gonna be embarrassed. Don't make you feel good about whatever. And see, that's what I don't like about policies. Politics is all about not actually yielding result. It's about making people. I don't like that. I like Trump. It's Trump a better president than Biden, but not based on why you keep doing that? Don't nobody want to talk about it.

I'm just saying because I think sometimes it's dope to intererject fresh blood into the system like we keep falling into. I'm with you, Rick, I agree. I will not let Madonna fix my car. I won't buy a pair of shoes from you. I've never had a pair of Jesus everyone. Some people love them. They tell me they're the greatest shooting and keep taking over the crop. Right. I'm not arguing, I'm just not buying the shoe from Kanye. I'm just

only buying music from Kanye. Yes, because guess what, I'm gonna tell you why, Because I know that it's not flaw I don't I have no faith in every white man training for the job I'd rather take my chances with Kanye then every white man that's ever trained for the job. I've never the last white man that I would have voted for as a president. It's probably Abraham Lincoln. And you know, I think it's think about Abraham Lincoln is don't even fun with a Lincoln like that. I

could go with Andrew Jackson. It's only about three white men that I would have proven one of them got knocked down. Would you would you vote for Peter for president? Before? Peter is a conservative? It might get rough, but no, you w Pet on tripping. I know Peter, I don't know Peter. Peter Beach feel like I'm not I don't want to talk about politics. I feel like we're not talking about politics. But I can get you to a point. But I think it's it's it's not that, it's it's

it's people I would vote for over Kanye. It's just not the signed traditional white man structure that's been there. So I will vote for some white people. Why are we still talking about voting? Okay, so I'm gonna say celebrity. So when I buy a pair of shoes, when I buy a pair of shoes from Michael Jordan's that's a Michael shoot or Kanye Michael Jordan's for sure, Jordan hooped. Now he don't even make this shoot? But where not? Would you buy some jeans that Jordan wore? Okay, Yo,

good points, good point? Help serious on a serious tip. Yo, sleep shout to sleep, sleeps in me. This We were talking about this other day because the same thing happens on Twitter every day. Like you see somebody who have no idea what their background is with their relationship things now tweets something that you feel like you identify with, like their relationship expert are counseling expert, and it's like

we'll be in our group chat all time. It just drives us crazy because it feels like because in addition to celebrity culture, what happens is the stage has been erased and everybody's a celebrity. Everybody's That's why I'm with we have to stop Instagram. We have to stop right now because Jada would be the fucking president. He has no talents, So we have to stop with you. We need to stop. You need to do you stop liking your friends photos when they like I don't even don't.

I will not give people. I treat my likes like money. I won't give you. If I won't give you five dollars, I won't like your picture. Okay, my life are more to me my likes. Like publicly, if I publicly endorse your ship, it's worth more than five dollars. I would rather give you a dollar than like your like like a post like I hate when people poke up. I'll be like, because I don't like your ship, because that's what it means. It means I'm endorsing what I feel.

What you're saying. Well, I'm like that. So I'm not gonna just like something just because you posted it. If I don't like it, I'm not gonna know, like, like even just the theory of it, the idea of like, yo, when you go to the concert, it's not about the

performance on the stage. Is about the fact that I'm here and that I actually my camera on It don't matter that there's a million dollar camera right there that you know the Amazon is recording it, like my my iPhone, I'll have a I have a six dollars on the camera in my hand shooting the dark, and I'm just like you, and I want to see this see this camera I have right here, cameras Like there's like in

the race shirt, like what I'm saying. Like, in addition, it started with celebrities, but what's happened now is that every single person is being cety and we endorse it and we're like, yo, you're right, Yeah, it's about you, I'm saying. But with you, it's like I shut all that ship down. They'd be like sorry, I'd be like, no, I'm not celebrating Ari. I'm not celebrating Jada. I'm not celebrating you just because some guys slept with you. I'm

actually demoting you. You mean this guy didn't marry you. You're missing the point. I am agreeing with you from my own stance. Yeah, but I think when you make it about a specific persons, what happens is you're gonna talk about women defending out women. They're gonna say we all Jada didn't do nothing. I don't care. I'm not trying to make this understand. Look, I was talking about

shout out to Sleep. Sleep sent this in the group because we were talking about why do people endorse so many things for people that have not earned that merit in that space and so he sent me this thing he researches. It was like, this is this thing called

the Dunning Kruger effect in psychology. It's a cognitive bias where people with limited knowledge of competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria, which is what I'm talking about, Like you know, like this is objective, Like this is you know what I mean, Like there's experts in everything, you know what I'm saying, or the performance of their peers or people in general, and so

it's like one of those things is like somebody doesn't know anything would be more confident about something and will believe them because they're more confident. But when you know something, when you learn something about it, like you're more reserved and you know, you'll know that you don't know anything,

you know what I mean? You know that, like there's a long way way every time, even you know thought you the medical experts and I'm not completely sure, but this is why I believe this is what I think it's going to do to the proteins in the body. But somebody, but people, we have this culture now we're endorsing people like just send something, send something, and I'm like, how do you what is this? Like why are you sending me this? This is how do you know this

is real? Because yeah, like what is this? And make people feel good? No, but to new body, Okay, this is not real. Like the thing where they were staying with um what was it? The people were taking the money off the car and that's how they know the women is going to get picked up or whatever. And it's just like, yeah, so they leave some money on the windshield. Yeah, like leaving the money on the windshield or whatever, but or just taking like a certain piece

of something. They'll cut it off and then they'll send it around. And it's like, but you don't even have the full story, the full pictures. Who has time for the full story? Not not me? I have time, but it's like it's not I have to be reading about

it for two days. But it's like everybody can't see you everything, Like there's limited access to the whole world be open, Like people have access too much information and they have no discernment on figuring out I don't even know if you know what you're right, there's no way to Knowle's see, that's me. I have more time. They don't have the time like people would. You just don't have to. People I'm want to find out are drawn. I mean two things that aren't even like it's not

about like people. But that's like basketball. It's like sports. People think they know basketball because they saw the highlights. Who in lights doesn't who ESPN makes their money. They don't even show as many games as they show highlights. But that's real though. Yeah, but I'm telling you that's what we're talking about. Like, right, the highlight of something like we're talking about like social media is they had like Twitter is the headline king, Right, You're gonna see

headlines on Instagram. You don't have any context to the story, just headlines. But that's that's conveynced. Is the killer of quality. What I'm saying, So the conveyance of a headline right kills the quality of the story. Now, the story is the most important thing, but you have to have time. The reality is we find a thousand things and today's time, right, So we're always looking for somebody else to do the

work for us. That's why we look to celebrities because we genuinely feel like they're doing the work for us, right, so not glass. But also you said you likes you also find with the mascots, and that's the thing I'm saying. I'm saying, but I'm saying, but I'm saying because they don't even if they represent it. I'm not worried about what a stranger thinks of being the crypt I'm not trying to convey to you who I am. Like, if you think that's what it is, more power to you.

So so like that's what I'm saying, But you don't care about the accurate, accurate representation of the things you most care about. And that's what I'm saying, Like that's that to me, it's a little you know what I'm saying, Like I get super anal about the things that I love and care about and about the specificity of the thing is. I can walk into a room, I can tell you what the light temperature is, I can tell you you know, that's how I feel about Kanye with

hip hop. I'll be like, but also but it's like it's like I feel like I hate the term gatekeepers and it's like one of those Internet words and people

just do it all the time. But At the same time, I feel like with each individual space, people need to be more protective of m but like actually correct Like I'm more like letting everybody change it and say whatever it's like, Like if you're saying a little like the mask mascots aren't basketball, we know that, but but people don't know that little you know what I'm saying, like, I don't know, I don't know. I'm not a trust me. Most people know little Way and it's not a gang member.

They do they look at him as a mascot. The most people, no, they no, they don't because they don't know what a gang banger is. There's more, there's no I'm telling you. I'm telling you there from the same Okay, I'm telling you listen, if I studied, listen, the masses cannot have a true understanding of gangs. It's virtually impossible, no matter what, no matter how many times I explain it, people are not going to gather the thought. It's just

not their specialty, is not their field. So therefore saying that, does that apply to every field? That people aren't going to have a you know, so we just minded the list lebrities do everything because you're saying no, I'm not. I'm not. I just say Kanye should be president, but I'm saying I was. At this point, it's like I would like things to be fiercely defended by the people who know it. I think the policies are the one

thing that I don't care about being defended. I would love to see multiple people as the president I need. I think we want to see this just for the experience of it all. You just want to see what I want to see what kind of job you would do. But I am so unimpressed. I don't even recall. Probably the last guy was John Kennedy. Can't talk about anything other than politics. I don't I love game banging. I don't love gang bang. I mean I love to go

back to the Little Wayne thing. I think most people think Little Wayne is a blood but they know he's not actively out there pursuing problems. They know he's not actively out there selling drugs like they're very aware of that. He's a cultural representative. He was a superstar. Then they

didn't think that. Then nobody thinks Little Wayne is spending the blocks, Like right now, that's the case, then we should stop Drake from talking about spending the block because you think somebody really right now, I think Drake is spinning the block. He has I think so he's shoking at that point. What am I supposed to do? Be like, if you think Drake is spinning the fucking block, how

can you You're dumb? Where the pod d Drake? Drake is the most He didn't say that said that, but go ahead, I'm saying, Drake says all kind of ship like we hit your block up and they wasn't outside, Like you did not hit anybody, Drake. Drake is funny

you mentioned Drake. I think Drake is interesting. He's the only celebrity that I believe that because I feel like a lot of the celebrities also concurrently get judged for their actual life outside of what they actually do, and Drake is the only person who's like immune to all of that. Drake. It's a lot of committ tory lanes Canadian too. I'm saying, everybody, he just so it's like a number. I'm saying, No, I got meg and he

didn't try to shoot it. Call them nights, you know, like he was trying to show off and like shooting at the ground at their feet and hit their feet. Okay, that's what That's what probably happen. Okay, probably because I wasn't probably got capitals so good. Yeah, that you started me. Listen. I thought he was the wrong way because I would have just came out like like quick, like in Harlem Nights. I was busting at her feet. She called me a little bit, so I let her know what's happening. She

was the bit. That was his mistake, tying knew what happened. They just blame me for nothing. The boy that this crazy. They's got to get more gen man. I think ultimately, like we hold sometimes it's like will exhaust celebrities on things that they have no credibility, and but also we'll judge them outside of that space. Everybody but Drake. I feel like even you judging what Kim Kardashian has done to be worthy celebrity like Drake. People love his music.

Drake is a talented and he's cold. He might be and he's cold to making music, but he's the only person who doesn't have any rules for his actual life. He could be that he could because everybody's no, he's not doing anything. I don't think that's the Drake when he got in the back football players, he's looking up at him like he got a crush their bawling on the court. You ever see that picture? Who was who

arm was he under? He was under somebody arm. He was looking at like he had a crush on everyone else. But these are all Kanye's kids. Kanye Kanye were talking about Kanye being sucked up because he wants us to what I'm saying, he wants us to. Drake makes no statements about nothing going on to happen to black people. That's not he won't even say. It's everyone else and everyone else get in because Drake is Canadian. He's a jewels, a Canadian Jewish person. But does that mean he's he's

a Jewish person. I can say nigger, but he's absolutely within our culture. He's not. He is Madonna as a rapper, male rappers. He goes around yea. So it's the way it should be. It's perfect. He's a colonizer sound like mcdonnad wait, but everybody else but Donna gets judged for the snow. We don't. Madonna didn't. Everybody ain't. None of us called Madonna. Who ever Donna had slept with everybody, and none of us called him. White people don't ain't

no sisters ever called mcdonnahoe. Only white people. White people like she's she's satan. Black people love Mdonna Toopacas, fucking Madonna, Dannis rob News, sucking Madonna. They all knocked her down back to back. People love Madonna, especially us. We don't look at Drake as a representative. He doesn't speak for us. He doesn't speak with us. He speaks actually for black got another black woman. Black women gave Drake his past, Kanye his past is all of them. It's still so no.

I think Drake should not. Drake should dut he's doing make great songs and keep being corny. And now he started day middle aged white he's starting to day. You ain't noticed that he did threw y'all away, got all middle aged white women. Now, I ain't gonna look at it. I've been looking at He've been looking at people look like that. I'm not lying. I've been noticing that. Yeah, yeah, she's gonna feel betrayed. They're going to feel betrayed as

a person. Drake got that white lady pregny music. They used to do porn like you know what I'm saying, like people of a person like Drake got that white lady pregnant that used to do porn exactly, And if Jacole Kendrick did that, that's different. It would be the end of the world. Not if Jacole did it. JAKEO can get away with Jacole. If Jacole married a white person, Nigga be talking ship for two days to be like

that makes sense. He didn't know Kendrick cooked. If Kendrick tried to talk to a people that's looking at when Nigga when is black, maybe like man, she kind of liked that. I don't know, like Davey old cousin about the color of his old laggers stand that. But I'm saying that Jacole the same way Jacole woman. I Jacole Jacole's mama. And I don't think he could get away. I think jo could. He couldn't get away with Drake get away with but he can get away with way

like Kanye Kanye get away. If Kanye ge get away with it, Kanye can get away with Mary. Kim kardash Nils was looking at you like a like we already thought he announced it. I'm telling you certain people that's because since two thousand four. Forgive me for saying this. This is probably the worst thing I said period. This is the bitch nigga era. And I don't mean it the way we used to talk about like I mean literally, guys who act like metro sexuals, they use the same

woman's lingo, they are like women like. That's really the truth. And these are all his offsprings kid cut him. Look how you threw that tantrum on stage. I just throw some around getting off the stage to jumped off stage. Whoop that nigga ass masculinity. That's the point I'm saying. This is the era of ship we're in, Like dot is the last thing everybody. Cole was arguing with a lady on Twitter, arguing with her sister like, yes, that's some ship that no scar face with out to throw

a scar face albums out. Well, if he would argue with a woman on Twitter and me arguing with her and all that, man, you better Dr Dre d Borne slapped this lady. I can't deal without you. I am dead. Seriously, I like, I like the streets. The streets. If you are the representative of masculinity, representative, do not me doing Yes, that's the thing. When he talked, he popped at that straight level like, yeah, watch what you say to me. I'm not saying it's right to hear the woman. That's

not the point. I'm saying. You ain't got no business arguing with her on Twitter. I'd rather stag to jail getting trouble for it. Do you arguing with this lady? Like like, are y'all arguing about? What are you doing? The fund is going on? I care that bothers me. I like black masculinity to be represented strong blade. These dudes are not look at what's going on talking on Twitter. It's probably not the best use of what you're saying. It is true. Everybody, every brothers I knew, every brother

I knew was mad. They was like, why is he argued this lady on Twitter? They were talking about something that's up to that that collected call harder to people call her, call her. Don't be arguing with this lady on Twitter. I'm not. I don't cuss her out and marking her out and then she's marking him out and all that. Now just look crazy. Fun is going on. I don't even remember the back of you. Remember you remember you remember your was like Oh my god, they're

doing that a lot, you guys. That's because niggas is on some girls ship. The arguing with females a lot. Yes, Can I say like that female don't even like when you argue with them? No, I'm just saying, like, why are you arguing with you? Ever met a woman that like you to argue with her? Listen, don't even like they even want to do two things slap them or

walk away. That sounds way harder than I want. But they respect you if you start playing them like that before you up there be arguing with them where you did this? Oh, they hate when you bring up they ship. Do not ever try to hold a woman accountable. That's what these new dudes do. These new dudes try to hold women accountable. You cannot. We have created a space. We have created a space masculinity since his existence has created a space for women to be unaccountable. It's our fault.

Women are fighting to be accountable, except they don't actually want you to hold them accountable, and they're not gonna hold their self accountable. So therefore it's not an argument you can never make. You should never make that argument. Too many celebrities trying to do that. People, look what she did. Nobody cares what she did. What did you do? They don't get that. That's why they'd be so mad. You don't care what she did. No, man, A lot of people celebrate it, so they think that it's okay.

Nobody thinks it's okay to certain people, they do. I don't think there's a man breathing air that think it's okay. A woman that seeing man argue with his men like that's I don't think no young lady think it's okay. They don't respect that. Man. They don't nobody respect that. No matter what they say. They want a certain things. Rick, I agree with you. I think celebrities head into a bad space. So we need to kill it now. No, we need to kill it now because it's gonna get bad.

It's gonna it's gonna get work because right now we got people like the thing that makes you goddamn time he brought this nigga, the thing that makes you especially at least you know how to assemble a team to do the job. He's gonna find virgins, and if he was running for president, he'll find a virgil of politics. That's the one thing I give him credit. The problem is, but that's when you That's like Dre. When Drey scoring a movie, he gonna find the guy in the movie.

Like the smarter ones, they gonna find the guys Puff was doing. Uh Sean John, he wouldn't found the best stop. You put your team together, you put your tenure. The people who have no discipline or know how to achieve nothing won't do that. I'm telling you, Ari could be the president one day. The lady that them do the two rapper dudes slept with herbo and and uh money bag yo. She can end up being the president one day.

And she has no talent. I'm not this, not this and how I'm not saying we don't celebrate her talents. We she's popular and celebrated because she's the person currently sleeping with money bag yo. Jada is popular because she had a child with somebody. We celebrate like celebration, like celebrities being passed tweezy. It's contagious. It's almost like it's music. I mean, can I just listen to music and not

celebrate the person? Is it really good music? I'm just us I'm saying, how can we not celebrate ice cube I'm saying, but it's not the Ice Cubes music. No, No, we celebrates Cube because he is the person behind the music, but the persons, but they exist in a separate space. I would like. I wish, I wish like so I'm not trying to bring this. I wish that they can

exist in a separate space where you create people. Artists say all the time, you create something you don't felt, and then it's you know, you give it to the world and everybody as soon as it happens. As soon as they musically don't exist, you can't listen to music. So it's like we created a space to where I was gonna say a word that I don't get sure

distort the actual thing that we're doing. It's like and I even I even disagree, just like the when people say support this, it's like, I don't want you two out of charity, buy some of my art, or go watch my movie. I'm gonna make a movie that I believe is gonna be entertaining. If you're entertained by you're gonna pay your money. And that was a good cost. Now at this point, I'm not asking you to support me because I'm the same color as you or because

that it matters. But I think ultimately because the reason I dislike it is because me stop. I think it never stopped. It's okay or something for the sake, Like you can support your kids, like I'm gonna go to my kid and they sing it. They can't really see, but they in the choir. I'm gonna support them because that's my seat. I brought them in there. But you're not gonna say, like y'all, I'm gonna give him recording contract,

I'm gonna pay you what I'm saying. Whatever. Some people do that mepotism to a point I think could be encouraging myself community. So I don't want to say this is against the time qualities, quality, And I feel like sometimes it's like I want you to watch on a movie because it's good. I don't want you to watch

it because I didn't find some type of way. And I feel like that leaves the space to where like there was like you know, there's a discourse on Twitter where you're talking about with the support everything Black movement, you lose the idea that you get to create something of quality. You can't vote on quality, you can't vote on things that you like for the actual merits of

the filmmaker. And I listen to people I respect, like Abra Douveing, they talk about I wish critics talked about not what I represent, but the actual quality of the you know. But but I am that person. I am that person, like I am a fair judge of things, right, But that's people don't have time. But that's you're never going to get that because you have to have time.

Everything that we are at this table, you haven't thought you have to have time to like you have to talk because taste is development, But I think you have to. Like when we all those kids, we all like Sherbet. As adults, we think that ship tastes horrible. Now I don't think I know nobody over thirty who like Sherbet. And if you if you like Rainbow over thirty year immaturity, you started liking walnuts. Think about that. When you as

a kid, most people don't even like pecans. But now as a grown up, you're like pecan in your ice cream. Your taste developed, So you have to have time. Like taste doesn't just develop because it existing taste, because you start to refine knowledge and information like some people's favorite flavor is still rainbow Sherbet. They haven't took the time to develop taste. You have to take time. I agree

with you, that's why. But back to your points. The reason they trust celebrities because they already found a reason to celebrate them. So they feel like, Okay, you're expert of field, right, so there's like he has a better chance. Now. I agree with you, but I think in the presidential space, which we're not talking about politics even right now, in the shoes space, yeah, it's killing me because who really is a fire shoe designer? What's on them? Seeing outside

of the Kanye West shoes? Honestly, honestly, and I'm not saying not. I've been going to a Vantage Converse, Vans, Cortests. I've been sticking with the classes because I look at shoes as my taste is refined. I got I had to do make me some shoes they call dred. He made them for me. You don't like I love them? Yes I do, because he customly made them for me. But I'm not gonna argue with the women like these shoes is better than all your shoes because they don't

know ship. I mean somethings are completely subjective. I had this conversation Rock with You is the greatest Michael Jackson song if you understand what the word great, but it is to people because you know why people was talking about black and white. Yes, this is the world we live in. And then I explained that Thriller is Michael Jackson's worst record. And it sounds crazy, right because as soon as you think of Thriller, you automatically think of

the greatest music video in the history of fucking music video. Right, But there's people that's like Thrill. I'm like, don't nobody even know the words of Thriller. If anybody at this table were seen the words of Thriller, every word, I get a hundred dollars. You're gonna get stuck before you get the first verse, because don't nobody know what the funk he talking about. That song was actually called Starlight. That's so nobody can do nobody talking about he though

he couldn't. He don't know that ship. That song was called Starlight. That was a melody. They changed a couple of words and made Thriller. That ship don't even make sense. It was the last single you can make this point. And I can literally express to why I'm saying this. I can go through all of the records. Yes, but Baby Money worse than Thriller. And I don't like Baby be Mine. I like Thriller, but it's not It's not

a greater song Thriller. It's this worst song because it's it's worst record as a composite, like how you compose a record. It's like, not because what the fund is the song about? What the fuck is Thriller about? It wasn't even a Halloween song. No, I'm not mad. I'm just saying what it's thriller about? Because what the fund is going on? And you know what somebody said, And I'm gonna tell you how you knew. They knew it was the worst song. They was like, man, we're not

gonna put out this song. It's the last single. Most people don't know that that's the seventh or age single on Thriller. Somebody was like, man, they came up with a video. They're like, we're gonna put this out because we got this video. That's it. But if you tell people that day like Thriller, I know that song, and I'm an expert in music, this is what I funk with this, I funk with records. I could tell you Billy Jane is a whole of note stolen song, and

I never got told that. Because I fucking study records, I can tell you. Don't stop to you getting up, it's a knockoff Marvin Gay song. Excuse me not, don't stop. Uh no, no, no, no, no no, that's Marvin Gay. Got to give it up. I know what the fund is going on. Thriller is the baseline for Jason right now. Marvin gazing state don't play. They can't because guess what it is. Because Chrissy Jones is the best at changing

up to three notes and it's done. You lost. She's a music asker that should get crazy you changed up a couple of chords, it's night and day and they'd be like, that's my song. Like now it's not. Brother. So what I'm saying is, even as an expert of records, as an expert crip, I mean cripping. Now, golf fifteen, I'm working on thirty years. Soon, three or four years, I'll be thirty years of this cripping. Not to mention, I grew up in it before I was one. Nika

is still arguing about cripping. I don't know nothing about crip and I'll be like, dog, I am an expert in cripping. I agree with you. Social media. The Internet has created people where it's a ton of information that people don't have enough of it. I remember, dude, I explained the Tupac story to the t and he's like, man, that ship sound made up. That gets the real story. Because everybody's a fucking spurt now. Everybody desires to be celebrated.

Except none of these people are specialists in nothing. They're not special. They don't even care. They don't have enough time. Every human special, but you have to have a time to develop what you're special that they don't. People get pregnant at thirteen and have kids, and then you gotta get a job, and then they got to get a place, and then they're still trying to catch up with being a kid. So they're going to the club. They don't

have enough time to develop being special. I was selling drugs developing being special, selling Rocks Chilling's reading How to Be Special. So if if motherfucker's don't respect why you can celebrate glasses malone for sure. Anybody that they celebrate. They're gonna go too hard for Kim Kardashi and the funk around to be a president one day. Do you understand what that's gonna mean? Would you vote for Kim Kardashian or Kanye West for president? Good looking out for

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