Conversations About Affirmative Action

are equal of merit. Excuse me, if the candidates are of equal merit, in which case membership and a disadvantag group can become a tiebreaker. So that's our affirmative action works itself on the UK. That ship so h they're saying they can't just give what Chris Rock said? What did Chris Rock say? Chris Rock said, you should just be able to uh as I don't want it just to hide and paraphrasing something on the lives of like, I don't you shouldn't be able to hire any old

person just because they're black. But if it's a but, if if it's close, it should it should go to us as meaning you sure I was speaking as Chris Rock, but you're you're Are you close enough? You're close enough? You don't have it that great? You know what? I think um to a certain exting g I think that affirmative action does serve a purpose, you know, and forcing people to give equal opportunities. But I don't know how secure I would be somewhere if no one I just

got hurt because I was a black dude. You follow what I'm saying, a lot of break to go further there? Okay, what would happen if you got hired just because you're

a black dude? What makes you bother body? Let's say, you know what, not necessarily me personally with my coworkers, my peers, I wouldn't want them looking at me like this motherfucker don't even deserve the beer, because you know, more often than not, when you get a job that comes up, there are people that are already within that system that may want that position and they and they

may very well be worthy of that position. But then you get the guy that comes in just because I'm African American and I get the job that can cause some an of monstery true, I guess the employees that can cause some man of monster, you know, I've seen it before. I've heard people say it before. What that body you just personally as a man, as a man,

you know what, man? Not really okay, because I feel like that we've we've undergone so much in this country, dog that we get through a layup every now and then do they end there's wrong with that? You know? I mean, I guess that's the whole And I wouldn't want to say because I'm one of those people that do. But and I do believe this, and this is what our priesting my kids when that we're younger. We can't be comfortable with mediocrity. Bro. You understand what I'm saying.

You can't be comfortable with mediocrity. Bro. I think that we should all push ourselves to the maximum when we can. Should I just get by with doing the minimum because I always, you know, always challenge myself every day, is even with my own business and my really doing enough or a my spinning my wheels. You feel what I'm saying. Definitely spending your will sometimes, you know, I think we

all do to a certain extent. I think that's the challenge of trying to be greater at something true true, you know, I think I think greatness really comes down to simplicity, because you know, these things are the simplest things. Well, sometimes we want to make them complex, but really they're really steamline ideas that people can keep up with the greatest things, at least the most impactful things. Well that's it's the It's a new way to solve the simplest

problem around. Think about this. You remember when I started my my attempted to start the first streaming platform, right, yeah, you remember I was about fifty thousand into it when you came in. They told me something I didn't really want to hear, and I was asking me out about that ship too. I was trying not to acknowledge it because I spent all this money. But you were right. But had I not went through that phase I went through before, I would have never met the departments that

I have now. I would have definitely learned a lot about that about streaming. You see what I'm saying about building the platform, and it just it was a listen. I felt almost like, you know, people spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to go to schools, dude, to learn something, right, It's true. I feel like that's whatever it was just me applying my trade. Bro. Yeah, that's all good. Um pete,

where did you always honest? Where are you at with affirmative? Actually, I think there's a lot of counterintuitive unintended to const what's this to it? It's like people have almost a fault to an initial impression of like the economics of things like backwards. So like like the US standard is different, like college admissions, for example, there's like affirmative admissions for colleges where it's like even went to the Supreme Court where it's like you can it was the University of

Texas that had that actual case. So if you people are gonna tend to do the bare minimum for whatever it is that they want to do. You know, so if you lower the bare minimum for everybody and it accommodates for four percent, the nine percent of the remainder have lowered their performance standard and that's bad for the whole. So so I think that there's a certain unintended consequence to that that isn't good. Yeah, but you understand why

to Bee, Yeah, I get it. I mean otherwise for sure it it goes back again to my point in earlier, your fostering, your fostering mediocrity. You're telling somebody to tell the one group you have to be, you have to be up here to get in here. But then you tell another one just because you're this, we're gonna lect you in. It's like I look at the universities with football, for example, Chris asked scholarships to Stanford, Notre Dame. UM.

You know, thanks, you wanted up choosing USC. But think about this, bro, there were so many kids without knew whose parents I would talk through. They had like four point to g P as. How did you get a four point to g P A that's incredible? Yeah, but he he's not a law Don't get me wrong. Chris was a great student, right, but he didn't have a four point to GP A three point nine guy, right, but he was able to get into these institutions based

on his ability to play a sport. And I think it's all you know, and I think it's a society what we need to do due we need to stop crying depicting about everything. Life is not theory itself, dude. There there's always gonna be somebody born better looking. It's always gonna be somebody born better talented. You feel what I'm saying this, we have all these things, over all that stuff. It's subjective though, yeah, but it's up to you to make yourself break you think about you think

about it like this. Think about some of our greatest artists at this time, our greatest producers, and the directors and actors, actress They wouldn't they're not necessarily the most talented people in the world all time. Well, yeah, I mean what they say, hard work beach talent with talent doesn't work hard. I think that's the Oh, I see plenty of NBA and NFL player coach, you coach, I remember your coach coaching like peewee football for a while,

and I know you've seen that a lot of times. Yeah. Unfortunately that that can get trumped by like nepotism, where you know, it's not what you know, who you know as what you're the true to me, which is the true racism? So nepotism is it? Is it? Really? Though? Yeah? I mean yeah, the way we feel about racism is a lot more rooted into nepotism on on a on a on a global scale. Right, It's it's really who

you see yourself in. I mean that really, if you think about like, first off, no seilings, gl you know what I'm saying, Peter in the spot like normal, Uh, my big brother and and and contributor to no seilings often more often than not is big still in the house. But what I was saying is, um, I forgot my

trying to thought I must be losing my mom. Talk about nepotism, Oh, nepotism, right, So it's who you see yourself in and when you really think about it more and more right you you you Most people do things out of these really selfish reasons, right, Like people have kids for all the most selfish reasons. If you listen to people talking about having kids, they want to leave a little barter myself on earth, as if you was

that great in the first place. And they talk about how selfless parenting is when they did it off in themselves. But that's the truth is it's the most selfish thing going into going into it, but you come out the most selfless motherfucker if you did it right. It's always the most selfish it going into it. Oh, we need to we need a product of our love or you know, I need to leave a little piece of myself that it would be all selfish reason going into it, and

then you come out that motherfucker totally forgetting who you are. Man. You have kids faced on your own vanity, dude, but you want to see a version of yourself. You want to live on hands down there, which is so so I think, I you know, I won't bring kids. What looks like I made it only so what I'm saying is when you say nepotism, that's the true. The way we feel about racism is more nepotism, you know what

I'm saying. It's like it's who you see yourself in because like I always have this commense station like if if if the I always say the whitest white man. It's either I wanted to say English, and I'm starting to think Spaniard. I think spani Spanish people are super they're super like super underratedly when it comes to uh collegeize and ship, you know what I mean. They're taking their culture and like making their culture be the like

it's a lot more excepted. Like you go to Mexico and they're like super celebrating like that Spaniard ship, Like we don't we don't quite celebrate the English ship to me as much as when you go to South a lot of the Spanish country, they they celebrate the oppressor a lot more. I mean, like America, like they fought these I get these the white folks credit over here. They're like, nah, we're gonna even though they stole all the names of their towns, like York, trying to make

a New York. You know. Uh. That was also before they broke off. We didn't rename off the ship. Yeah. Problem, It's like, yeah, exactly. It was like, hold, if y'all don't want to pay us and y'all to stole our names, you want to make a new urgin of it, like so low story short. I think nepotism is a lot

of times and that, but that's also the problem. Back to the point that I was saying, if if an Englishman had a black son and then he had to hire a white another English white man or his son, I don't give a funk what his son looked like, most likely his son would get the job. Now you see, I don't think it's wrong, but but that's my point. So that's why I say the way we feel about racism is really an incomplete thing as far as not the see most people think of racism as somebody call

you a nigger. I don't think about that. You're just a bigger asshole. Platforms watch your language, Oh yeah you can, and AI picks it up. They do so so. Uh. But I was saying that, I think that's the point. I think it's it's how you see yourself. And I think if it's between the english Man getting the job to english like an englishman, if an Englishman owned a business and the Englishman and the spanish Man wanted the

job be hired Englishman. If it was between the spanish Man and the irishman, maybe the irishman, between the spanish Man and Italian man, maybe the Spanish man. If it's the Talian man, and it's going to keep going further way to what he sees in himself, And that's I'll say. It brings up a couple of interesting points. Like one of them is it's interesting how now you see? And I don't want to go into it because I'm not trying to go that way. But gender is a social construct,

and you can be transgender, but race is biological. You can't be transracial totally inverted. Race is a social construct because you if if we took the way. It's all scale and scope of of region. You know, so if if you took this same conversation just kept it within Europe and the year fourteen a hundred and a French guy moved to London and tried to get a job. No one's gonna hire him because he's fucking French and

we hate those fucking vice versa. You know, I agree with you, and I think that's a one of my partners with Florida man shout out to that nigga um. Now that's what he was really putting a lot of pressure on me to make sure I remember that race as a social construct, like it's weird because they're trying to make race a bio like a biology thing. And really sex is is actually the only second you can't be You can be half white and half black, you

really can't be half whatever. But you know what I'm saying, like, it's it's people, more multiples and variables and all kinds of different schematics and that well, gee answered this, answered this question, Peter, you chime me into as you know, I'm we're scaling in digital soapbox, we're growing the company, We're going in different directions. You know, we got a

TV channel launch from all this. Right, Now, let's say it's two thousand, only six, right, two thou seven, just a cold strong flows all right, they say is two th and the company is worth a half a billion dollars close to a billion dollars, right, we went public. It's a it's a huge company, bro, and we're competing with the best, like we're up there with a v C, esp and all these other platforms. Right, it comes time

to name a new president for the company. Now, Chris a degree from journalism for University of Southern California, all this, probably haven't been working with me for a few years. At this point, you think I would give a damn about somebody being mad because I should have got that job over Chris. I was more. I was more, I was more qualified than Chris was. You know, you think I would give a funk. That's my son. Think about it.

Or your niece may come in, you know what we're talking about hiring your niece with certain stuff, right, and I make her Chris is that administrative assistant. People don't know those Some of those at me in jobs are six stick of jobs, right, six figure salaries come a text to it. Now, just imagine the girl that's been working they just imagine that young ladies might have been working with me for the past eight nine years. Whatever right she may feel some kind of way. And now

only shot. Only did he bring his lazy ass un and here they don't do ship. He brought his friends niece in here and she don't do nothing. All they do when there is laughing, joking, giggle. But now why shouldn't they have that favor when we put it in the hard work and dedication to build that company. I'm not letting nobody tell me hiring nobody. I'm hiring the people I didn uh did I as I see fit? Yeah? Is there is that wrong? Think about it? Is that wrong?

That's the ultimate conversation right now with regard to the you know, like to being born on third base discussion, It's like, you are what you want to do, but the other person, the recipient, didn't earn the right to do that. That's not my fault because theoretically me and Glasses didn't have those um, we didn't have those opportunities

that we created those opportunities. So then then that that brings me to this question, do you feel like there was ever a purpose for a fragmative action once they decided that black folks were free in this country, and it was like, okay, look, we for getting the way of y'all voting. We're not gonna get in the way

of nothing y'all doing. Make it happen. You own idea affirmative action main ship, but just a way for a bunch of white folks to feel good about themselves and say they do or something that's that's that shouldn't make a difference, bro, people are gonna hire who the funk they want to do You look at the NFL is like percent black as far as players, nine percent black, and they had to force them to interview black coaches. Come on, man, these people are going to steal hire

who they want to my thing. Just just fuck them, coach. Just let's talk about the ownership, y'all to Ray Lewis, get a team. How all these people have been trying to come in and did they all these people with all the money and qualifications to run a business, they've been running mot being down with businesses. They whld life. But what if what if somebody brother had been waiting just as long or somebody brother that's a white person.

But that's what I'm saying, and you know what she And that's why affirmative action has to be in place, because we are so fucking behind the people. So then wouldn't you shouldn't you practice it yourself by that thought? But you know what I do practice because I do give a whole lot of black people opportunities. No no, no, no no, not like I'm saying, Well, I guess your son is black, so that still would be a friend.

You know that's my son. I wouldn't give a damn, But ain't I wouldn't need somebody to tell me to hire black people. Let me ask you a question, would you matter if if if Roger Goodell's brother, his younger brother wanted to own a team and as a white man versus Diddy in a group of brothers, how would you feel about that? I wouldn't give a damn. Who should get the job Roger Goodell brother? Or should they let this in them get it? Because of that the mosts to have the most power can and we don't

get that shot. He can and will. He's a benefit. That's what I'm saying. You you almost talking about the exercise and futility. Bro, It's like, ain't no way to fight that. You feel what I'm saying, There's no way to fight that. Bro't fight that because they're going to do what the funk they want to do. Anyway. It's almost like you have a headache, and my thing is this, why do we keep trying to join the return to let's go? You know what I like about the Rock?

What he did? The ruck say, if you want to start his own league, start his own legs. Not to quite the NFL. They pay nowhere near as much as they do as far as salary and stuff goes. But it's another opportunity for kids to play. Trump did Yeah, to see the thing else and see this is the problem. It's just not the NFL's. It's just corporate America's on.

Corporate America's mindset, right. Corporate America's mindset is to crush the opposition at all costs and make as much money as we possibly can and keep it in the house for us. Let's keep this together for us. You think about it, Think about Ford right, the car company, Right, they on hundreds of thousands of dealerships. Bro, They manufact your cars be sold all around the world. When you go to Michigan, who do you see when they board of directions, you board of directors. You may see a

few other names. You may see some Jones. This is Thomas's hell. Mom My cousin's wife's dad was a big shot up there. He's a black man, work for them for forty fifty years. But when it came time to sit at that main table, all Fords at that table. Bro it's a it's a silver And I'm not mad at that, because what I would like to see what rap television one day and digital soapbox long list to wear everybody up there names steals, tene mens, all kinds

of people to where Peter got a fucking niece. My My whole thing is this Peter's need ship you or the walk in our business and say, hey, my uncle told me to come by and see you. I'm looking for work right now, I'm going to school, no problem, go see thug going against infirmative. Actually at that point of all this ship because or is it okay, Peter? Because we still black? Like does that make in theory to practice to practice the same behavior of the oppression?

What the thing is we can't practice the same venus, then we haven't had the same benefits. There, I'm saying, let's say we are benefited, right, We me and you have climbed from our family. We climbed out of poverty into middle class and wealthy status right, status and standards. Right, Fine, we started business and we just start hiring people that looked like us or came from our family. Just you know what thoughts you have to put in that too?

Is this because this is what I didn't say on the flip side, just because if Chris was a damn food he wouldn't be working for me because I worked too hard for this ship to love I'm coming up. I would rather just give him a check every week and just say, man, get you check, whatever you do, do it no more. We had that happen in our family. Wife fos do that too. They like about this business you find just get free, but don't come up here. No, don't sucking up for jasmine and stuff farm. You feel

what I mean? They chids and their children's children. Because I really want this to be something broke to where people can look back. Everybody else doesn't. Why not see what we need to stop doing instead? Of crying about somebody not looking us in their house. We need to go build our own house. But wouldn't that go again to a firmative action then at that point, No, you know what, it's a it's a concept that was gonna

never work anyway. Yeah, I always say that, my my alwayshe was affirmative action from the first day, being that white women, gay people, gay folks, l g B t Q folks, all of them are part of the same thing. That's why they keep adding on letters to that because I could say, hypothetically, oh, I'm I'm a cute, you're a better than No, but I was, I was questioning some things. I think you should hire me. They just keep roddening, this prodding the umbrella, and they pushed back anyway.

So I never liked you. I never cared for it because you still don't compete with white women. Well, all this stuff you do, it's falster negative feelings towards people. It creates the feel but you don't you don't think

it's there. If you disenfranchise right, if if you disenfranchise right, if you disenfranchise and community or uh, black folks in this country for a four hundred years, right, for the most part, like a group a huge number of people, right, and you're trying to figure out how to fix it, right, but you don't actually really want to give them too much.

You want to give them because, you know, because other than that, they could just say, hey, you know what, check for all the work you did building all this America for free. We think slavery is wrong here, you know this makes it fair. So what you do is you create other ways to try to balance it out. But saying that this is not one of those ways. It's not not have a way to cool work. But

I'm gonna tell you. See, I'm gonna tell you this, Peter didn't personally do ship to us, so why should he be forced to go He should be able to hire whoever the funk he wanted to and do what the funk he wants to because if he had racist you shouldn't want to work for that motherfucker. No way. This is making other people, you feel what I'm saying, It's a million other places to go out there, But what I'm saying is this, the American government wants to

always tell somebody. They always want to make somebody pick up They're tad for them sucking up. If America wanted to make this right, it would be an easy way. We are so far behind. Is the people gus almost impossible to take up. It's almost like somebody running a mile race, but we're showing up twenty minutes late. You're not gonna be to compete. I don't care how fast you are, you are never gonna make at the time

to win that race. So I think what they need to do, dude, is that they need to and it can't be just about money, because I'm gonna tell you this. If you give every black men in this country a million dollars today, it would be there would be um. I think it was something like man, seventy of those people do would be bank broke a year later as the money to do what they want to with it. But that's but that's what I'm saying. No, but check this out. So I would say that money is just

not the problem. That money needs to be covered with education, and it needs to be covered with a couple of different things because a lot of people don't understand the concept of money here. You know, if you give the average dude with a million dollars right now, if you gave the average dude, if we if we called the giants right now and said, hey, we gotta check for a million dollars for y'all come up here and get

it right. I'm not saying they would do it, but the average group they're going to go out and spend a million ten dollars. They're not gonna take in the count to where you know what, Let me call my accountant and put the four hundred tho dollars up to bigly hit my ask. Would I would rather get the money back than over the end of the thing? You see what I'm saying at typical fortune last three generations.

Anything beyond that as an anomaly mm hm, and has to do with multiple factors and like it's like it's like the counterintuitive elements of like if you were to examine, like the slavery economy in the region that it existed in, it was terrible for the economy in that region, for the country. It was a poorer region of the country than the in the part that did not have that.

Because now everything becomes defined as barriers of entry and reducing competition and reducing merit based performance and all these other things. So you come have very concentrated centers of wealth on small land a small number of large landowners. You don't have ancillary economy around that, you don't have the ability for people to be entrepreneurs. All these like like every white person who was not a wealthy landowner in the South suffered economically because of slavory, not to

the extent that slaves suffered. And that's not the point trying to make. I'm just saying it's so people at the time. People it upset when I say this. I've heard multiple will get upset. Um slavery was normal across the world. It was how people treated their slaves. In the South, it was just like a poor mentality. It's a horrible poor and just disinfranchise mentality. And me eveaged to always debate this, but I'm like, the problem is when you give poor people something, they don't know how

to treat it. So I could imagine if they had a ton of plantations, how the areas was around it. Yeah, and and and you're also choked off from any ability to like really earn any kind of money. And and I also it's it's it's similars like what you see with like big tech right now where there's such a concentration of wealth that anybody who starts to do anything

gets bought out in two seconds. So if you have a six hundred acre plantation and some farmer over here starts to get it together and whatever, and they're making some money, you're not only gonna be able to buy out effective you ready to ready to go land, but you're also gonna buy a competitor out of the way, you know, which is what you see like the number of I p l s being inverted by the number

of murders and acquisitions over the last ten years. And then that person is like, yeah, I gotta check who, but that check is gonna be gone. Your kids are not gonna have that money. You're not even gonna second generation exactly. And that's why I always say, man, I think the average person, this entrepreneur, of the real entrepreneur, he's not building something to go give away and say no, I'm trying to have this year. I'm trying to be

that anomaly, Peter. I'm trying to be that anomaly to where you look up three generations, no man after me. That would be just so ill seeing somebody looked like me flying the flying car head to the office. You know, talk talking ship, you know what I mean, like talking ship like his is. I would love it, dude, I would love it. And to see somebody look like glass and see somebody look like you do. We have to create these opportunities for ourselves. Dude. I keep telling you.

This is my slogo for two thousand twenty two. The cavalry is not coming. Yeah, well that's that's powerful. The calvary is not coming. We need to stop sitting up here waiting. And I think that this is the African I speak for the black race. I say this, man. We spend so much precious time arguing about who should be doing what for us when we need to get off our asks and do it. We are very good at spending money. We spend more cash than anybody else

in this world. I think that some of that, like I had two interesting, like I had three epiphanies or whatever, the nine epiphanies bouse more powerful. We're more powerful than what we display. Dude. Seriously, Yeah, I disagree with that at all, um. And like I think like people I've heard like in you know, behind closed doors confer like like white people that I know owned that owned business have for you know that, ELK. I think that a lot of the perception within Black America is like like

stay you know the name prejudice and your resume. You have a very stereotypically like black first name. Someone sees that on the resume they discarded as person is black. I don't want to have a black person here. It's not. It's not quite so much like I don't like them. Funck.

Then it's now it's like, well, we really have to think long and hard if we want to hire this individual, because the laws if it's not, if it's not working out, are so out of favor for us to be able to just on the merit level dismiss the individual as we would dismiss another person, because they could go ahead and say, oh no, you're only firing me because I'm black.

So that becomes now so much case laws stacked on top of each other that now people are like that can work against hiring as well as Okay, well, a company of our side should have a minimum threshold of

eight twelve whatever the percentages for that barrier. I don't want you are not going above that because it's too hard to get people we're gonna get So so what do you think that what do you think front of beginning, like right, I mean, I know you wasn't alive, but what do you think about the effort or the idea of affirmative action to try to all set all of the issues that was caused to black people in America

based around slavery. I think it's more so giving a man of fish, and I think it's giving a man of fish so that you can feel good for giving him the fish that do you feel very pleased with yourself? But also at the time, a lot of this stuff happened right when a group of people became eligible to vote. So now it's like here, I'll give you this fish, vote for me. I'll give you another fish, and I'll give you another fish, and I'll give you another fish.

And you see, maybe there aren't as many fishermen as there should be per captor. Mm hmmm. So right now so right now, still so right now with right now they're being back in and uh, what's the court called pete to Preme Court Freme Court? Right now? So then what do you feel about it? It's something that's a necessary thing, like uh, is American getting into a space

to where inclusion is just like detrimental. You know what, Bro, I think they're As long as you have human beings, you're going to have the ability to tank something, even if something is meant for good, Right, it's gonna become corrupt, because that's just who we are by nature. You know what they say self first preservation is the first law of nature. We're always in the constant state of flux

due to the world. We're always trying to better ourselves, even if it's even if it's something from the most minute thing, like a smoker might be thinking like, Man, I'm I'm gonna make sixty dollars stay how all day? Sixty dollars to keep me how all days? So that's his motivation, right, it's crazy this time. I'm always thinking, Okay, how can I make more money so I can hire more people. I need to have this, I need to do this. So I'm always thinking, right, So we're always

in this constant transition. Bro. As long as that's going on, Bro, it's need to do, but it's not gonna work. I think the closest thing we can come to it, BRO, is putting the education and cash patage together and just letting people go about their business. I think you have to. You have cultural flaws on each side, and the shortest way to fix the situation is for black parents to be like Asian parents and just be hard fucking core.

You're not gonna have a good time till you're forty, and like I would like that, I just fear the comparableness of it's not really comparable. How do you mean parents coming from trauma? It's different, you know what I mean, It's just different. Let me ask this just a basic question, because and I also think about it, like there's a lot of anti and and reason to be different generations, like because Asians didn't come here and start crushing it

till like the eighties and nineties. You know, at the earliest, well, we had just come out of three consecutive major wars against Asians. People didn't particularly like Asians, you know, I remember reading about it. So like, if you're an Asian kid and you get a B plus, you better be wearing a helmet. I don't feel like if you're at least to the same capacity. I know there's a lot of parents that are not fitting this description at all.

I know if I brought home a b plus I was okay, that was not that didn't serve me any because I brought home a lot of them, way too many. I think, I think there's an ideal, right of what's going going today, and then the justifications needed to really so it's it's not about that's the excess of question. Uh is justifying an action? It is a justification of an action versus a pursuit of the best action type of Dolenna. Well, I think I think they're So that's

where it gets crazy right now. And this is where I think being a part of the culture just makes it a complete different experience, right, Um, sure, yes, we can ask a bunch of people who are and I gotta get to it. This is a very serious topic two right within the DA Sport period, you know, I mean, is it somebody's fault or is it just people just

being sucked up? And it's it's obvious, right if I do something specifically to a car, it will start tearing up every other part of the car if that part of the car is not fixed, Can it be fixed personally? As different? Can the trauma that black peop who have been through in America unjustly be fixed by black people. Most likely not. It's virtually impossible as a as a whole. But I don't think there's a whole community of anybody

in this country crushing it. I just think, yeah, I just think we look at it like if you specifically, like black people in this country have been wrong, right, as long as you believe slavery is wrong, as long as you believe what happened is wrong, right, And like anything else, it's it's the person's responsibility to do their

best to make it right. So, like I always tell people, like, for example, um, any time a rapper die, right, any time a rapper die, the first thing people talk about is, oh he died because of this, or is a murder culture and hip hoplah blah Blah's Like sometimes there's none of that. Sometimes it's just people get shot and die. This is not like this exclusive problem that happens in our community. This is happening in east of late this happened,

that this happened and little Cambodia town. What we talked about that earlier, bros. Because those those murders don't attract the social currency talk about it. So so what I'm saying is is the solution as simple as oh, well, if black people just get the act together everything and be fine? But how do you get your act together when it's not? Like I get that. I think the conversation like, there's there's the question is there's two there's what can be done as a as a broader whole,

not like what can be done? What is the most effective thing that can like really like really really I think that question isn't asked. Well. That's why I think it gets tricky, right, because at that point it becomes do you want to make it right for yourself and

sustainably effective? But but I don't. I don't think that's the point where I don't think it's Probleme example, like, if you do something wrong with somebody right and you put your best foot forward, your best foot forward of trying to make it right, think it's about you more than it's about the person. And I think America has done a very horrid job of trying to make it right versus Oh, if is this is gonna is this gonna fix the the ditsport as a whole in America

black gosport? No, it's probably not, But it's not about it's not about um. Is it gonna fix everything? Did you do your part and what you broke? You know what I mean? Did you do your part and what

you broke? And it may be a longer project problem. Example, like if I if I break something specifically on the car, and then it calls, like if I break a certain part of the staring the staring equipment, and it you know, eventually your car breaks, your a arm breaks your tires really bad because they're not correctly they warrant they're wearing incorrectly. You know, defenders messed up. But then I'll just pay you for the tie ride. You know in the staring

component that I messed up. Well, I just broke tyrode. No, this is what happens years and years once you break a ty rode. For me, eventually the tires were bad, the arm can't get broke, the ground could hit hit the fender, knocked the fender off, knock a bumper off. For me, it could call. You could actually get hurt in the car. You're going to a barrier. So that's

the problem. When you start back at slavery and then you move into affirmative action, you know, like is that really America putting his best foot forward to say, hey, you know what, we were wrong? You know, I don't think so, because it became for everybody in the first place. When I don't think you can buy lgbt Q slaves, I don't think you buy white women slaves. So if that was the idea, which I don't believe it was, I think again, it became more about them. I just

said this yesterday. People exert entirely too much energy into looking like a good person instead of just being a good person. So it takes a lot of energy into half a good person. You're trying to look like you are, and only the best evil and only the best evils

ken the disguise is good. M So I don't think it's about you know, when we talk about affirmative action, I don't think it's about white folks trying to like, oh, you know, is this gonna help the black community versus, hey, did you do all you can do to rectify what you feel is wrong? And if you don't feel it's wrong, you know, if America excuse me, not white folk, but America, if America doesn't feel it's wrong, you know, just say hey,

you know what it ain't wrong. If you do think it's wrong and you frown upon it, put your best foot forward into correcting the mistake. That way, at least you have a clear conscience. And I think America doesn't have a clear conscience. And I think a lot of times if we start to say so, if I start to say, well, you know what, it's on a black parents to do right by their kids, that's an end

culture conversation. Like right, Pete, if I take you to the projects, we can have that conversation with the parents.

But that's not an outer culture conversation. See, the conversation is about America, you know, making it right, the inner culture conversation when when with it ourselves, is us doing like Pete, like like sel saying us doing the best we can or like you sent us doing the best we can within But then it's still a real different kind of fight because you're still talking about getting First off, my mom made me go to Pair my high school because then' even have a P classes to get over

a fourth point or I had to go to Paramount just to have a chance to have over five, you know, to have a five point. Though they have a P class that contonor centennial. So you're talking about you know, Centennio got uncredited, like I forgot how you how do you put you know, what do you call it? But like they went through a lot of ships that the

education and programs are not really great there. So it's not as simple as us cracking a whip on each other and be like, hey, get aids and make it work. Because you you're fighting the environment, You're fighting the things that's already all of you set the standard and the expectation. I've noticed what kids and I's where to God, if you give your kids a standard and you said of standing for him, they won't never let you down. Bro.

But you can't wait for an that stands like I remember, it would be a turn of man to where Let's say Jackson brought me the port card home. It could be all ages in that one. See she's so focused on that. See bro, that's like, you know, like we fix this, you know what I'm saying. So I didn't have to yell at my kids about braids because I said the standard in the house and I made him like a challenge. You don't challenge yourself, don't be just the regular. Because I would take my keys places due

and I would show them without an education. This is gonna be the type of life. You do that, but also still looking at how much you've conquered on your own before you had your first kid, moving out to California from Ohio to come play football. You blessed with size, you blessed with gift, and you're a worker. So you work your ass off. You make that work, get your

college education. You you you realize your dream of hip hop America is not wanting to accept you know whatever they think if you as a hip hop So you're gonna take it around the world and then they praise your talent and you make a living. You get into suburban part of Los Angeles, a suburban part of Los Angeles, feel me, where they have much better educational things. It changes the whole dynamic because of you, right whatever God putting you to make it work, and you working at

it over and over again. That is not something like the slave ship didn't break everybody. It broke most people didn't know. The biggest thing with us broke with our people. We can't be scared to fail no one. Now you ain't gonna do be schub for sure, process. It was a necessary part of the process. Though if you think anybody out there has just jumped off the ports with an idea and just winning off the rip ain't been

through some ship for y'all got like fucked up. But but that's what That's what I was saying to you, Pete last year was having a conversation somewhere like this, and I'm like, if you see certain people's parents, man like certain homies like my homies parents, and you look at my parents, is different, Like we're starting with something totally different. Feel me. One of my homies his mom was on drugs. My mom used to feed him. You mean like it's it's a real tough out I'm saying.

I think that begs the question. Like you say your environment, well, your environment is like you're like you as a as a one human being individual, have your have your environment. It's around you. If you're if you're broadening the scope to like a community, all the community's environment, well they are the environment there there and they are their environment.

But but that's my point when you when you take how people got fractured alone, this challenge alone, this journey, because people are fractured, right, they fractured coming out of slave generations are fractured. You just gotta believe it. It's

it's a hard thing to believe. But you know, if if prime example, if you're a great great great great grandfather removed, your great great great grandfather, your great great grandfather, your great grandfather, your grandfather, and your father all went to the military, you're probably gonna go to the military for sure. All so, how people deal with everything coming down the pipe is important, if that makes sense, it's important.

I'm not at all pushing back like the question, like you were using a car example, and that's I think half the conversation. I think the other half of the

conversation is another car example. It's like a lady who doesn't have the money to get the car fixed but has to go to work and drives the car and drives the car and drives the car and instead of being a small thing, now say a very huge thing and she can't for to keep the car or fix the car and saying, well, I had to drive because of blah blah blah, amidst the conversation about what are we gonna do about the car and transportations like you

can talk about what ruined the car. But that's not going to get you to work, you know, that's why. But that's why I said, I think these are two different conversations, and they are. I think there's a conversation within the community, and I think there's a conversation that America should be having about the community. That's the trick. The conversation America has about the community, This is the dirty,

dark truth. The conversation that America has about the community is rooted purely on the fact that America thinks that the individuals that comprise that community are to this day deficient and need to be given minuscule help all the time. And you give them some minuscule helpfully better off slightly than they are, but they can only be slightly better off, and they currently are. And that's the problem with the with the conversation of the country is is that the

absumptive ceiling within the community is low. So we're only gonna do a little bit because they're only gonna be able to get up a little bit. Anyway, that's the cancerous conversation. That's the left. That's the left for sure. Well, you know what the conversation America needs to be having as the reparations. But that's my point. See, and I think Pete is different for you, right because you'd have been around right you haven't been in the community enough

to have certain thoughts right now. Again, you're not a black person, but you haven't been around enough the community to know the thoughts. You can see a little bit more than most people that can come from your background can see. But I think that's the difference. I think there's two conversations that we having should be having. One conversation within the community is what we can do to

better it. Second conversation should be had in America to what should we do to clear our conscious as much as we can of the wrong that's happened to these people And if they feel like they're conscious is clear, just say hey, y'all on your own, Like say it so people can realize they're on their own and whatever blowback you get, that's like if I break your car, Pete, or if I break Steal's car and still looking at me, I'm like, I'm acting like I really care about helping

them fix the car because I broke it. Yeah, he driving is getting worse than Raggy, but all on still from me breaking his car, and the whole time, I'm like, look, man, I'm helping me. So I fix the tire and the tire wearing bad, but I fixed tied you know it, rag, I fixed defended. But I never decide to actually fix the problem. I never go through everything that I know I caused this problem. But I'm stringing him alone like yeah,

I'm gonna help you fix it. I'm gonna help you fix it, versus just trying their best to fix it, not trying to look like they're trying to help fix it, but really trying their best to be like, you know what, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna buy you another car. Nigger here, boom done. All the while he's waiting around and waiting around and not fixing it himself to fix it. But that's the conversation I should be having with Still und you don't know. I'm saying, we're in the same place.

I should be telling Still, hey, Still, you need to fix your car. Yeah stuff. I should be telling him, like, you know that motherfucker's not gonna fix your car. Well, he keep telling me to help me fix my car. It don't matter what that motherfucker's saying we know how this motherfucker work. Here, I'll you some money fixed. You know it's tough, But to me, the conversation within the community should be about how we can make it better.

The conversation with about America that should be having in america's what should we do for these people that we take advantages. Even if the whitest white man Fimmy didn't own slave his family, he take advantage of all the things that slavery built in this country. Yeah, yeah, I mean so that should be a conversation Pete should be having because Pete made Let's say peace family did own slave. Let's say Pete family came over here in the nineteendreds

or eighteen eighty after slavery. Right, Let's say Pete family came over here. Let's say Pete came over here and and Pete family came at a ten eighty nine and they never owned slaves. But he understands that he's the benefactor of all the things slavery built. He should be having a conversation like, hey, y'all, motherfucker's American needs to

make it right because y'all fuck these people over. That's the conversation that be going on that way, and within our conversation, our conversations should be like how can we exit amongst each other? But it should be two separate conversations happening. And the problem is that not there's four conversations happening. Too many conversations. Is you have America trying to tell black people to fix their own problem instead

of literally saying, let me fix what I broke. And you have black people looking at America acting like they're gonna do the right thing when that's something they gotta work out on their own. Mhm, Well you know what, man, I'm looking at this thing. I don't know if you guys can see this on here, so that on there. Man, What they were pretty much saying is, um, they think a fair number would be a hundred and fifty one million dollars per person. That's ridiculous, Suny just threw it away.

But listen to what I'm saying though, of course it's a bullshit, right. I don't know if you could put a price on that, bro I mean you have to, like any other business venture, you know, but you know, for somebody to say okay, they would get a hute million dollars I would be surprised due we bounded up getting a hundred to be honest, with a hundred, what I wouldn't be surprised you if they played as like that to try to give us a hundred thousand dollars

a piece of something. I mean if if literally yeah, it's it's hard to say, like, let's it's different because time matters. The ultimate expiring commodity in the universe's time, right, So there's a difference between me getting a hundred thousand dollars over a lifetime and a hundred thousand dollars tomorrow, you know, at the price, the cost, everything is different.

So it's like that whole conversation muddies the situation and using like, for example, what was nineteenth or eighteenth century aggro labor fair market value globally it was like an the equivalent of four or five sense a day and

today's money. Well, we're gonna we're gonna use that standard of time and compet against today's standard of time at minimum wage and like all these various different elements that because if you were paying all those people at that time there, it wouldn't have been it wouldn't have been an economic equivalent of what today's minimum wages. It wasn't like that anywhere in the world. There was nowhere in the world where people working on a farm anywhere had

surplus capital. Ship's not one now true, not working on the farm. Yeah, if you have to own it. So it's like that, it becomes a very very muddy. Plus you're talking about like population expansion, like your great great great grandfather's one person his total offspring by over all those generations like sixty people. Mm hm, you know. So it's like the math, the math on that becomes like a really really prolonged and convoluted standard of trying to

come down with a number for that. So people, let me ask you this, you being a white man with obvious African American friends, m hm, would it be honest? Would it piss you off? If they see it? Next week, we're sending every African American in the in the country. It's over the age of motherfucker eight team check for two billion dollars, right, two billion dollars. Oh good listen and everybody everybody under a team. They can have me

and it's all tax free. Right, you said two million with an emma, right, Yeah, said to be about say, holy shit, to millions, we is now Ukraine? Would you be upset? And it feels some kind of one. The only thing in my world that obsessed me with regard to anything as far as black people go, is when I think that they don't do their is when they don't pursue the goal whichever individual has to the best of their ability. That's the only thing that will ever

bother me. Like I was saying before, America looks at the group is having a very low ceiling, I do not. I could walk down to watch and look at somebody and I could feel disappointed in them. Another person self righteous in Manhattan or San Francisco is gonna walk down there and they're not gonna look disappointed them, because that's

what they expect of them. The only problem I would have if all my friends got two million dollars would be the fact that I know the collateral economic damage would be severe and I don't know if you can sustain it and up in a vacuum, like if there was complet no damage. But let's talk about that. Let's talk about the because that's that's a point I wanted to touch on. Let's talk about the possible economic rammar

fork everybody. You know, let's say we gotta do the podcast throw Let's say sixty thousand people get a check for two million dollars thousand hypothetical, you know, let's say sixty people get checked two million dollars other ones. I'm pretty sure you're not gonna give everybody the same thing, you know what I mean? Yeah, a million times? So just think about that. What do you think? I was

just doing the math right there? Sixties album? Is that a hundred and twenty that's at one point two trillion? Or is that twelve? Is that twelve trillion? No? Well, hold, let me say if it's two million times six is twelve? No, two million times sixties twelve? Two million times six is one twenty. Yeah, that's a lot of money. So what was it? Two million times sixty thousand? Yeah, that's easy. That's a hundred billion. But that's a chunk of money.

But the numbers like forty million, you know, not sixty thousand. Yeah, of course, what kind of impact? Just this is for all our people out there right, so they can know because I don't think people understand that. First of all, you have to have something behind that you want to do. Look at what happened with E. D. D. If they want to know the rondavacations, it wasn't nowhere near close to that. Look at where money is. Look how look how cheap money is now? Look how bad? Look how

much everything costs now because of it? Now is a great time to have that conversation. Now is the only time in our lifetime that we can have that conversation.

Listeners would understand and fear. And really, I'm tell you, if it could pretty much turn the United States and in the Philippines hopefully hopefully would become the Philippines, I'm feeling it more become like Rwanda in the nineties because listen to what I'm saying, bro, think about this right, and I would sixty tho is way too little though we well it maybe like why a triple that you know? But think about this, right, You got all this money

out there, everybody's spending come in, everybody spending money. You see what I'm saying, Just like they had it to where um Like I was talking to my therapist of the day. She was telling me the Philippines, where she comes from, they made ten dollars a day. Yeah, Cuban guy traffic out of Cuba from here. Yeah, she told me that over and Um their country, a house like ours, we would probably pay two hundred a month by the beach. It would be by the beach, and you can pretty much.

That's why a lot of people come over here and retire and go back there to live, you know, the days off, because they maybe get undred a month. That's twenty month. You may you may beat them almost in the homeless shelter out here a month over there you can live like in Queen for sure. But again like it. It's it's like the European health care system. Oh well, Europe pays all your health care bills. Well, they don't have enough doctors because they don't get any money to

be a doctor out there. And the only reason that they have that ability is because the United States econmy props up their system because we pay for all the R and D and we send them all the mrs and they get all that from us. That's the only reason that it works is because of our economy. Our commy has leaches all over an internationally. Gotta have an asshole to do the work. Yeah, and I'm gonna tell you what I think would happen. To be honest with you,

I think it would want to be. It will wind up being one of them type of situations, bro where we wouldn't get all that money in front anymore. They would wanted up telling people that would be over a certain amount of years, it would be paid over a certain amount of years. Uh. I just think, I just think. So what we'll do is we'll do another podcast on let's all take a day or two to figure out um, let's take a day or two to all figure out.

We take one day. Still, you're recovering from surgery, Jazz, we take a we take a day. We're recovering from surgery. You know you recovering surgery beat you by to day. Let's take a day to figure out um realistic, realistic uh repair a repair system for black folk in America that that already dismended the slaveous amount of work on this. I'm ready to rock on this. This. No, we're gonna figure out amicable solutions that can happen right now. We're gonna all take a day or two and then we're

gonna convene back on the pot. We're gonna have like a we don't have a council. We're gonna commit We're gonna commission the council, like the counselor not Sea, to come up with this godly like solution for this the frantic people that are apart, and this is gonna be the solution to bring everybody back together. And it's going to be fair and wise, and it's going to allow America to still be America. They're looking out for tuning

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