Conversations About A Wife's Worth

was his living mannequin. He could dress her up in all of his fashion design ideas, you know what I mean, and have a mannequin that he could show up with that he knew was everybody looked at this mannequin, I mean, and she could show up and be this living, walking, speaking mannequin that's pretty much styled and the creative, you know,

influence of Kanye in his full power. You see Kanye, you see you see Kim Because broke up with the Pete Jr. Yeah, I thought that was fantastic because now all that funk Pete ship's not gonna be as confusing for me. Do you think he was a bad look for Pete? Like the name Pete? Do you think I mean it was pretty outstanding thing said about Pete. Yeah, I personally, having not represented the name particularly well myself, I can't speak too loudly about it, but I thought

he did a terrible job. Who's the greatest Peter of all time. Peter that was with Jesus. He's He's right up there. He's probably number one. The greatest. Pete is obviously gonna be Maravich and the character Peter Clemenza from The Godfather. I thought that as well. No, no, Pete Rose up in the top five. Pete. Oh yeah, Pete Rose. But then he also had had that Charlie hustle thing going. That's kind of like being a member of the rose

Gold community and dyeing your hair black. That's true, that's true. Peter Rabbit, No, Peter Rabbit, cotton tail, all those bunny things have to roll. Um the pumpkin eating gentleman. Also, Pete, Booty the worst, the worst. Booty Jay is gonna take your fade. What if Booty jais lines you up like he was, like, I need that fade, Pete, then I

hope he kills me. It will be a fight to the death because I want to kill him and I don't want to survive If I lose Man, it'll be like the Karate Kid too, where the guys like Liver tie Man and the Chinese Japanese guys like die. Yeah. Yeah, if he just killed me, Man because I would have a thousand jokes and ship. Ah, you're just saving me having to walk up a million flight of stairs to jump off a building. Let's just do it here, all right. Look,

so kim now kim Is is back on the market. Yeah, hooray. Did you take her back? Ask him or ask me? Thinking for him? Okay? Does you take her back? In Yea's mind? No? No, no no no. Your ship with you and Ya's mind would be way more intriguing. So if you're if you're the little man on your shoulder, yeah, what are you telling you? For? Once in your life? Will you fucking listen to me? Would be my opening line. Okay, okay, And if I get his attention even a slight nod,

I'll say, don't even fucking think about it. Okay. Now, Now, if he's ignoring you like always, we should make that a skin that should be like your skin. We should do a skin where it's me and you on each shoulder and I'm trying to tell him to do something right and you're tell him to do something wrong. That would be easy to just do the podcast like that, where instead of having the border, we just have like half of kanyas head in the middle, separating the screen.

It might be a cool production bid from here on out. Yeah, Like we should do that once a month where we give advice to one person, but we have to be on the opposite end of it. But no, we don't. We could actually keep it at being Okay, So now what is Kanye gonna do because he's ignoring you? Hopefully he does something that involves hiding in the bushes and her driveway again and then this time just makes it into the house like a success. He takes her back. Man,

after all this ship. If he doesn't, it's he's the kind of guy who has to throw good money after are bad, so he might as well. Uh no, sinlings, g low my man, Peter and this spiz eye, we're going his eye. So you don't see no value in having a wife, there's no value in having a wife. Define value. Okay, so there's a real definition of worth

and value. But let me tell you my definition. So worth is personal like personal, appraisal like subjective its just me personal right, personal like like the owner and the actual product itself to worth. And then I would like to believe the value is the perception of appraisal. So worth is self and personal appraisal value is you know, the market, the market itself. Gosh, that's what I like to believe, those two words. And that's gonna be classes

definition of worth and value. That's fair. When I'm asking you about worth personally, does a wife have any where? Would you appraise a wife at and having a wife from the objective market value standpoint? There? No, no, Now you've been going to a community, I'm saying you just it would have to be personally. You get you appraising having the perfect wife, not a perfect woman, but the perfect wife. You mean, the the second most perfect wife.

And that's the second most perfect wife would be on the near side of the threshold of not existing at all. It's your the second most perfect wife, all right. Um, Honestly, the only worth that a wife would have to me is on occasion, like you know, if you have to be accountable to somebody else to get up and go do something you don't want to do, you're more likely to do it than if it's just about you doing it for yourself on a bad day. That yeah, that's

the only value. There's no other value, So just somebody to be accountable to. Yeah, no other appraisal like you couldn't you know volume more than that, I wouldn't even know hypothetically what to pretend to value them at. As a wife, you you have no appreciation for the living. No, that's a negative, that's a that's a that's not a positive self? Why is that a negative thing to have

somebody that lives in that cooks for you? Because I can't guarantee they're gonna cook something that I want all the time for one, for two, they're taking up space, they're in my ship, they're always fucking there. Just sounds awful. What if she cooked all of the things you want her to cook? What's the difference the cost benefit of the that I'd hire a cook for fox sake? Because I can cook. I can cook everything. I want to wait a minute, how much is a cook? How much

is a wife? I don't know. I think a cook might be worth cost more than a wife. If you got a wife that don't work, the cook is cheaper. No, because you any adult because has to take care of himselfs. So you take care of yourself as you take care of you you pretty much you might get an excess of two thousand dollars a month, because you have to pay like as an adult, right as me and grown me in right, we pretty much take care of ourselves.

So let's say at the worst case scenario, well, at the least case scenario, you're given your wife five dred dollars a week. That's what it's as seen you outside of the normal things you would have to pay for. Right, Yes, there's a little bit more fool Yes there's a couple more things, but out of the you could get a maide. Uh uh. And I'm not And I don't want to compare wife to a maid because they really are. But I don't want to disrespect the maid. Wait, I'm sorry

you say, because they really are. That wasn't the type of I didn't women gonna talk ship, but this is I was telling uh them girl at van length, this show at uh did you see it? It's uh higher learning? Hold up? Let me uh hold up because I'm I'm bad Rachel. I was telling Rachel she was talking about our podcast and she was talking about you. I had I had the higher learning that hasn't came out yet, and I was telling her that she was tripping off of us. And I was saying, this is honestly, what

men really anything? Now you have the version of what men think, you know that's out there, like right now you have men like posturing over earth. Got his interview with UH with Noria Gonna Drink camps where they're upset because he's literally expressing how he feels slighted by his ex, you know, his ex girl and this talent he put on in the music business, right, which is Ashanti, And he's pretty much voice that you could tell his disdain for her and how he feels he's emotionally, he feels

a certain way. His heart is broken. It's obvious, right, And you know you got dudes like, oh you know that was the Sucker Ship and blah blah blah and this that in the third and I'm like, look, as a I fancy myself a player, right, not a player like I have multiple girls. A player in a sense of I'm not going to always show you my emotions, but I'm not this in anybody who does this is

a very unhealthy way of living that I live. It's unhealthy in the way that even in my situation, it's not like I don't deal with my feelings or internalize them. I don't externalize them. So I'm not worried if you're concern I deal with him and I read and I and I deal with him how I deal with them, right, I I contend with him and I make decisions based

off how everything is coming to me. And you know, I don't think it's nothing horrible about me and who externalize their emotions, right, They're just different and internalizing his emotions after drinking on drink Champs and people are like, oh, you know, he's blah blah blood and blah blah blah. And you could tell they were really keeping to women like they were just like trying to say what they feel. That fucking horrible bro. And it's like Ashanti wouldn't talk

to a person like you, You're fucking loser. She don't want no nice That's why she's talking to fucking earth guy in the first place. Then we don't nobody respect no sucker like that. You know what I'm saying, Like, no nigga. So long story short, he's externalizing his emotions in his interview. But back to the our digress, Um, what I was The point I was making to you is this no ceilings is about honest conversations you know

what I mean. Like, the whole premise of no Ceilings was having these conversations about you know, we were inside of a mountain. It's about going in unlit caves from an urban perspective. And then you have like a you have such a you've been in some of these tunnels with some people that's from the community, but you still very much are you know, to some level, actually at all. You're not even a mainstream person. But that was the idea.

Your your main street person who understands. That's the premise of no ceilings, these very uncomfortable conversations about life. I mean. So I was explaining that to Rachel, and I was telling her so even in this conversation, most men feel like women are living maids, living uh sex slaves, you know, living that's the concept of marriage. That's why you that's why in theory you are willing to put the old ball and chain on your ankle, you know what I mean.

And that's why so many men sleep with their maids because it's a confusing dynamics. True shout out to Arnold Schwartzenegger. True. So when I'm saying I don't mean it to be insulting, women rate you. If you're listening to this podcast, I'm not. I'm saying this is the perspective, right. Um So, if you take care of all the bills, you take care right normally as an adult to take care of themselves. A woman. If you give your old lady five hundred

dollars a month, let's say, five dollars a week. She don't work, you know, I mean, but she don't have no bills, no responsibilities. To give her five hundred dollars a week, okay, and to get a maid, a chef, and a sex leave, it's going to cost you. So so you're given it a two thousand dollars a month, right, then you pay it whatever be you gotta cup with extra comes about it. It's gonna cost you more than

three thousand dollars. Yeah, but you're certainly not going to get obviously you're not you're not going leading chief, and you're definitely not gonna get a sex leg. Yeah, you're not gonna get any of those things. It's um it's it's interesting, and and and you're compromising an awful lot. You know what do you really compromising? Opportunity? Cost is the off The book's expense. What's the opportunity other things, your time, your personal enjoyment, other women, um, peace of mind,

all sorts of interesting, valuable things. But can't you work it out with a woman and have other women? Yeah? Those are usually called divorces. And that's when you pay on the back end for all that discount cooking you've been enjoying the last several years while paying for also okay, so uh okay, it's it's it's a bit of Look, it depends on the Some people really really need companionship to function, and for that it's a very there's more worth there, you know. I'm always a little bit you're

a market guy. Well yeah, but like just on the on the human side, Like I think marriage is that do well you Usually it's you get married when you're young enough to not know the world outside of your marriage, or you got married we are old enough to not

care about the world outside of your marriage. You know, I actually agree with the latter, And I think if you get married at thirty, when you know, when you know about I've said that, like it's tough to really be married when you know the wonders of other women. Like I think it's easier when you've never been with another woman, you know what I mean. It's easier when you never been with another woman and you don't know what you're you know, the concept of what you're missing, right,

you don't know that. So marriage is easier, and it's easier when you older and you're like, you've seen it all right now, you're not seeing anything you're not gonna see. Yeah, I think if it's like twenty two, it's a good age to get married. Forty two is a good age to get married. Thirty two it is not a good ash to get married. I don't know. I don't know if twenty two is even Asian more. I think you need to be like nineteen or twenty because I probably

need to go back to that range. You need to get it done because if you it's the comparison game. So you're saying the word of women to you, the worth of a wife to you is very low, very low. Um, Where do you think wives are right now? In just value market? They're high. A lot of that has to do with perception, I mean a lot. You know, you

kind of in a lot of ways. I mean, like, for example, it's it's not terribly dissimilar to you citing you know, uh gentlemen or or or other multi people that you would known in the past who thought that they were if they slept with when you slept with there on your level, there's a certain elements like if you have ambitions of being perceived in a professional circle or a social circle a certain way, your spouse can either enhance that or it can work the other way.

Then it can detract from from that. So there there can be value there. Um like most presidents all pretty much all presidents have been married, right boy, Yeah, it'd be uh slim pickens to find one that hasn't been. I don't know if there has been one. Um does does Kim? And I don't want to gossip about them because do you think him brings a market share value to Kanye? Yes? Where specifically, um it bring it broadens his brands to a degree. He and and and timing

and alternative considerations matter. Like before her he was with that Amber Rose girl, right, that doesn't do much for him there, it's not if you if you're going to be married, Sure, I get it. Yeah, Um, I think that like now he's kind of simultaneously gotten further into like say, more of a high fashion type of environment, whilst also pairing with the Kardashian brand, which has a footprinted in that industry. So somebody told me that now I had to explain to them they didn't have any

footprint in high fashion. They're literally they literally were jokes in high fashion before Kanye, Like they didn't was funny as people when I was coming up, you know what I mean for a while. You know, Kim is not that old, but I'm saying they were jokes in the industry, like people kind of looked at them as cheap knockoffs until Kanye. Kanye brought the value of high Kanye has always been you know, smiled at in high fashion until

it came to start in his own business. Once you start trying to start it, that's when we start having problems. But when he was just a fan and and a and a consumer, like he was getting invited to all of the looks, and she wasn't. I mean, she was kind of frowned upon. They looked at them as because they are like a forgive me, this is gonna sound bad. I don't mean no disrespect to your family. I'm not this and I'm saying like they were cheap, they didn't

represent wealth or or like royalty. They was just like the family who got put on because their dad was like a third or fourth chair in a huge murder trial and the new husband was Olympic medalist that nobody cared about the specific sport, and your daughter slept with multiple She was popular for being what socially people were referred to kind of as promiscuous. And then the ray J take came out and that really put the blast

on the Kardashian name. So they were looked at as cheap until they got with Yea, and Yea is always was considered a brilliant person within the creative spaces. So it's weird because I think they do get a lot of credit. I think as a wife, she got a lot of credit for things that just are one hundred and seventeen percent and not true. But I do agree they are mainstays in mainstream like to another level to where it's like almost unbelievable how much they are mainstays

and mainstream America. So it did kind of it. We're from him just being just a rapper, you know, or a popular, you know, taste maker to some degree outside of just being a dope hip hop artist, and it kind of locked him into mainstream completely unique then where

he was at initially. Yeah, and it's difficult to consider both of the two arcs of their endeavors independently once they're no longer independent, you know, like the Kardashian machine was accelerating either which way, you know, And they had the younger daughters coming out like that. There was some snowballing that was starting to happen there, and then she gets tied up with Kanye. So it's like I think before that when she first started her little show, she

can't have like a little some little fragrance thing. But that was like the first deal. And then they're doing makeup and now they're doing this and it so so there's like this constant and it's and now they're showing up at all the galles. But post Kanye, um what And I have a song called Kanye should have Never Married that it's obviously people and listen to this podcast. You noticed, right, But now that they already passed that place right in, that cautionary tale has been avoided, right. Um,

are you saying that there's potential for a remix. Uh, I thought about that. It is the reality, you know. Yeah, it's his family now, you know what I'm saying, Like now like you've already went past it. Now this motherfucker that made a fool out of you, feel me, But

she got your children, you know what I mean. And as a black man in America, it's really important that we are as much as possible involved in our children's life because we already got a ton of bad you know, ship going on to where if we a little bit removed, ship can just happen. I mean, they could have it funked up when we're there, but you know, it's it's way easier to get into it when we're not there.

And so like he's almost out a position to where he's so deep into it where he almost has to go back with his old lady, you know what I mean. And it's a I still would say no. But because of his position and in life, he can't just see the world the way I see. He sees it in a broader spectrum honestly, you know what I mean. Like he always has is a really talented, god really masterful, you know what I'm saying. So I was just thinking about that, like, damn is her word to him? Like

what does she bring to him? And I think what her worth is to him as a wife, right is she becomes his living mannequin, Like like Kanye's wife, you know, was his living mannequin. He could dress her up in all of his fashion design ideas, you know what I mean, and have a mannequin that he could show up with that he knew was everybody looked at this mannequin, I mean, and she could show up and be this living, walking, speaking mannequin that's pretty much styled and the creative you know,

influence of Kanye in his full power her. So her word for him is through the roof. I mean, that's to me, That's what what's crazy is to me. More than anything, she became his living She is the most popular. Now people don't give her credit for this, and and you know even I don't at times, but really thinking about it, she's probably the the the most popular model

in the in the in the world. You mean that there's there's people that just model that are popular, but she is literally the most popular, you know model in the world. So into the opera book club thing, huh, Like her name associations turned into like the Operah book Club factor. Yeah, so I get why, you know what I mean, she has a huge worth for him as his wife, you know what I'm saying, because she becomes the perfect mannequin for him to create creative ideas and

for people to admire. Um, her value is different. And that's the thing. Like, this is a situation to where you know, like somebody got a car that really don't have a huge value. Like I don't think it's a thousand men around the country that would really marry Kim. I think they will, but they wouldn't be of special to her. They wouldn't be of her status like you know, I mean, it'd be people she like bringing up um,

But you know, it's a tough situation. So I think this is the perfect example where somebody somebody's worth is superb as a wife, but then her value is completely different. Yeah. I think for him personally, like from his actual like lifestyle worth, he's a pretty eccentric guy. I don't think anybody would describe him as a as the poster boy for emotionals to be And I think that because he's like such an like eccentric, artsy minded person all the time.

She probably gives him enough of something else to worry about to where he doesn't get buried into these weird mentals or emotional wormholes, so off mainstream, just wanting to not wanting to embarrass her, Yeah, or he just doesn't have the time like it. Like if it takes you three hours to like you know how, you could like like YouTube and then you watch another video that's recommended, and another one and another one, and then before you

know what, you're watching some weird ship. If she interrupts him and turns off the YouTube every thirty minutes and he doesn't get that weird. And I definitely think it's funny you say that, because I definitely think he's a lot more under control for the fear of not embarrassing her, because you know, women, The one thing I realized about women, they don't want to be embarrassed. Their number one fear

of all fears is being embarrassed. Yes, it's just a woman would probably rather that her husband find out she was cheating than the neighborhood. Not probably, I don't think's hear close. Probably yea. At some point it would be oh my god, Bill, you're supposed to find out. But could you do me a favorite? I'll tell anybody that's really how we go though. Bro. But but but I'm gonna tell you I realized something. Insecure women hurt themselves.

Insecure men hurt other people. Mhm like So a really insecure, damaged person, a woman will hurt herself. She'll go get a BBL. She'll put these crazy pounds of makeup to miss up her skin. She'll wear these crazy shoe use and mess up her feet. Should wear these you know, uh what you call them waste trainers that messes up that part and push up all this crazy stuff to her to herself, you mean to to deny the makeup that denies her skin? Son? You know, I mean the

thing that really gives it is glowing exuberance. Men when they're insecure, you know they're really you know, severely insecure or hurt, they go out and ruin everybody else. And I was thinking of myself was worse, and somebody was telling me that they felt it was worse for the man. But uh nifty quoted somebody and I forgot the person he quoted, So I'm gonna give him credit for this quote. I've heard it before, but I don't remember where it came from, so nip reminding me of it and rest

rest in peace. And he is would you rather be at peace with yourself and at war with the world versus being at war with yourself and at peace with the world. And that's why I think peace within yourself is more important than peace with the world. There's a balance in real life, but if you had to choose, I think being at peace with yourself is better. Probably, yeah. I would like to submit the idea that an insecure woman hurts everybody around her inadvertently, and an insecure man

hurts everybody around him advertently. It seems like women will like want to go do whatever the hell they want to do. I want, I need to go find myself or go on this journey, to go explore their being at the expense of everybody else around them, whereas a guy, I'll just be like funk everybody else around me. They're gonna feel me here and now. Oh yeah, I can feel that. But I don't know. I don't think a severely insecure woman, oh damage woman, you know mean, hurts

other people around her. I think I think they're always looking to be healed they just become a lot more selfish, but even if possible. But I don't think they start off like that. I think like women, women are raised and nurtured to give, and I think the experiences on earth. I know when they little, they are man women are so when they're young and they're healthy, women are the most generous in giving people, you know, species period. You

know what I'm saying they are. But as they go through life, things that they're taught, you feel me and experience, is that they have realized or I need to have something for myself. I don't think that's their natural nature. Here's where where I disagree. You'll know where I've said it before. But like where I think a woman will in her pursuit of her own or whatever. Let's say a married lady with If you're talking, I cannot hear you. Hell is that yours? Peter mind? The head is going on.

I don't know what happened to Pete microphone. But uh, the more I think about it, That's why I genuinely believe that the more I think about it, I genuinely believe that women right are you know, their nurtured, They're born as the most given species. Right there. They're they're superbly generous. I mean, even when they get you know, easy bake ovens, um, even when they get easy bake ovens,

they're making stuff to give to other people. And I just think the world that that we've created at this time, you know what I mean, I just think that turns women into these kind of monsters that we call women today. I mean that they they've become like and and that's the point. I think the male species and the female species are both parodies of themselves, you know what I mean, Like,

they're both parodies of themselves. And hence the dilemma what I'm saying, hence the issues more and more, more and more, more and more. Yeah, so that's the tricky part. I think naturally they were they are the given species. Yet the world that that has been created. Every day they get older, they they they they are led to believe and emotionally, and you know, really it's a it's a

travesty that they have to have something for themselves. I don't think they're a giving species that I think they're giving the way democrats are giving. They're good at giving away other people's ship. Men are producers and women are consumers from an evolutionary standpoint, and they're of it giving away stuff to people that was brought to them from a scientific measure. I can see how that's a real conversation, but it's nuanced. It's real nuance. Huh. That's a big nuance.

Well because okay in theory, yeah, like right, like a husband gives a wife a seed, right, and that's really what he puts in that dirt. But that nine months of nurturing and all of that stuff to grow this tree or to to develop this plant. You know, you you yes, he in theory gave her his seat. I wasn't even talking about that. Okay, Well that's the that's the most simple that is. Yeah, that's much more biological.

Um I think in general speak, dating back to the caveman, like I mean, the men would go out, like when we lived in pods or packs or whatever's human means, men will go out hunting, gathered, bring stuff back, and women would distributed among themselves and the kids or do whatever, you know, do whatever they did with it, you know, and same like now like you see like these really benevolent, generous housewives down in Newport that they'll give whoever a

bunch of money, Yes, because it's some guys credit card that they stuffed. Their person said, there you go, sweetheart, so you see to give away money that was brought to you with deposit into your account because you're there. So right now, where would you appraise value women's value? You know, let's say we're comparing it to the last hundred years. Is it that the highest point their value?

Or is at the lowest point their value? Their value potential is at its highest point, their value actuality um is at its lowest point. And why is it? I think because they do more to generate the value now, but it is of no worth to the men that seek them. Okay, keep going elaborate further. Well, I mean, like, you know, I think a gentleman like Kevin Samuel's got pretty famous stating the obvious here earlier on his a

sent to uh, you know, internet type fame. But if if a woman has some career and makes a bunch of money, most guys don't give a ship, you know, So they can invest ninety hours a week into being a corporate litigat or whatever the hell it is that they want to do. That's fine. We don't care buy and large. It's nice to have, but we'd rather have other things. M hm. So so there's a distance disassociation of um, the agendas. It's kind of like almost what

they do with their looks they do with their lives. Uh, in sofar as how men value different stuff, like like the shopping mall, you know, reference they opened up a hat store and and nobody wants hats. We want shoes. But they're just gonna keep it with the fucking hats, just gonna keep going with the hats. But we don't want we we just want shoes and shirts. And how

is this comparable to what women are doing? Women, they're gonna keep going with the eyelashes and the hair and the makeup and all the nails and all the ship. And we don't like those things, but they're gonna keep sucking doing it, sure ship. And it's the same as you know, well they want to go do the career thing and all this other ship and you know whatever, and then bitch about why they're not married at forty. Well, you know, keep doing that stuff. We don't want that.

They're gonna keep it with the hats, and we're gonna keep wanting the shoes and shirts. Shit, we gotta get the right personal here to talk to you about this, because I get the I can't even necessarily disagree. Wives are definitely focusing on things that husbands have no value for it, nor do they gear. Yeah, it's almost like women are are working to be as you know, like the independent woman. Well, if you want to be an independent woman, don't bitch about not having a man, because

that's what you wanted. You want it to be independent of having a man in your life. Now you don't have a man in your life. And no, But is that is that what they mean when they say independent? I think they meant to say that they were so sufficient. Yeah, but what does that really mean? That's the that's the principle of unintended consequences that they don't tend to grasp very well. Fair, Fair, you're using words that really mean

a lot more than what you mean by them. Yeah, there's a superficial, simple, basic cause and effect, but there's also a deeper, multifaceted cause and effect that they are just like fucking the human that that. I always say that certain things we we conjure up certain ideas with using certain words and don't realize that these words all have power. The word loyalty, that's a short sighted word

that's used today. Uh. Generational wealth is a short sighted word used to that most people that create generational wealth they pretty much don't care about nothing because they're so focused on just earning and creating as whatever you know they're doing. Yeah, they're not focusing on generational wealth. You Typically, they're focusing on something that they really really like are

invested in, and it's just yielding wealth. Um. So now that we've talked about the like like that, do you think like, like, let's let's not even say me or you or Kanye. Let's say jay Z and Beyonce. This Beyonce bring a value to Jake, I actually brings a nor misvalue j I think. I think she is certainly the more valuable asset in that pair. Who is deep deep? Um?

I think one thing like like in looking back at the only because I just saw the picture, I didn't even realize that they dated, but there was like a picture circulating around Instagram mterday of like Dame dash and Aliah going to some movie premiere at workshop or something like that. That kind of sort of describes the difference between those two guys, is the dinner between Elia and Beyonce at least great. I'm huge fan vers, but Beyonce's

like significant, she's she's a monster child. Yeah and some degree. Yeah, And I think that Jay is more content to build off the people around him, and Dames seems like the kind of guy who wants the people around him to build off of him. M hmm, it's not crazy's how it played out in retrospect, it seems, man, that's deep. I gotta make sure Dame here that so we can call me a moron on a much. I don't think

he would really disagree like that. And and that is kind of an issue, you know what I mean, Like you have to find a perfect space, like I would advise to most women and wives, like you have to find a much better space of how to allow people to use you and then't know when you've been used up. That's the hardest part of human beings to know when

they've been used up. Yeah. And I think also part of it is people wanna they have a certain relationship with pride and credit, like meaning getting credit for a thing, not like debt potential were Like some people are like if I if I'm not if this thing doesn't have my name written all over it as the guy who invented it, produced it, created and distributed it. I don't want to ride on somebody else's coattails, you know. I don't want to collapse too much. Some people want it

to be three sixty them. Some people are like, look, I don't care. Whatever gives me the most money. You can sign my namesake away all day long. Yeah it's Donald Trump. Yeah. Um. If there was any woman, I ain't maash you just because you don't give a funk. I gotta find the right woman to talk to you. Uh, what's the greatest? What's the greatest popular? You know, if anybody listening, because the people that listen to my podcast,

most likely they're not really that mainstream. I mean, what's but but they are aware of the mainstream they live their life. If there was the greatest, if there's a greatest situation to where a wife bringing entirely too much value to her husband right in the public, main state that everybody would know about, which one would it be? That's a good question. My initial thought would be I gravitated out of the gate to Lucille Ball and Desi

ar Nest. But I think Desi was like the production brilliance behind that show and she was the talent, so it kind of worked well. So I'm gonna throw a curve ball out there, and I'm gonna say Michelle Obama any way more for her on the on the value scale, Yep, that's deep, if elaborate. Give me why, um, she gave him a lot of the connections in the Chicago that

made him viable m hm. And otherwise, like by his own admission, he's kind of a like lazy hack of a guy with a great resume, you know, which I don't know how the hell even got. But additionally, I believe he ran for office kind of earlier in his career and got like blown out in a primary by another like local Chicago black politician because he like wasn't black or Chicago enough. And Michelle solved that problem for him. He couldn't have solved that problem for himself. That's actually

I get it. She did. Oh that's fair to say she did. And it's weird because you're a white person had noticed that. But she did bring she does bring a lot more blackness to him than we ever give her. Creat Like we we because as a kid who grew up in the Yi and all these different places, for sure, he probably wasn't the token. And he's not even like culturally speaking, his dad's not from Houston. His dad's from Kenya, the real the real Africa. Yeah, so he's not lack

American culture. He didn't go to the the coolness that he presents. There's a lot more Michelle Obama's influence. That's actually not crazy. You know what's funny? Guy actually can see how that that's the thought. I mean, I couldn't verify, but that's deep she is. That's the sister for real too. So yeah yeah, okay, and and and she's smart, and she's a fucking beast like and talk about like to go to the original point like earlier accountable to somebody else.

If he's a lazy guy who wants to like pontificate and smoke weed m and she's like, no, you need to go do this today. He's gonna go do that

today when she gets in his ass. Okay, So what's the exact opposite somebody who overvalues their wife man um that's probably the default setting, but at at the highest main stay managed team level, it's hard to say, I mean, I guess in that because I want to say, like, you wouldn't know who the wife is, but oh, it would have to be a situation where a wife got a claim purely by virtue of her marriage, just just

like used a husband to catapult into becoming somebody. I mean, to be honest, Hillary Clinton would have been a back room paper pushing lawyer without Bill mm hm. He had all the political no how all the charisma, all the connections, all the everything. She went out of law school and was like defending. She was like a criminal defense attorney or something like that. She would stay doing that. And she's the type of person who doesn't even play well

to a jury. She wouldn't even be like a courtroom Robert Shapiro, Johnny Cochrane type of guy. She'd be the guy who she'd be like finding nuanced you know, corporate law to get Bank of America out of trouble with the I R S. She says, no personality. Um, that's probably that's a fairly hot take. But I mean, for God's sake, I mean, Donald Donald Trump didn't even have support in I mean, he won because of an absolute

lack of interest in Hillary Clinton. It was like the US voter turnout combination election like ever relative to the population size. Good looking out for tuning into the No Sellers Podcast. Please do us a favorite, subscribe, rate, commenty share. This episode is recorded right here on the West coast of the USA and produced by my homeboy A King for the Black Effect Podcast Network and I Heart Radio. Yeah.