Conversations About 2Pac Must Die

of Tupac's legacy, which is amazing. You know, I grew up in there with tupacles like the underdog and so that you know, I had to have people dedicate complete immediate to his It's very existence of twenty five years is amazing. Um. I did a conversation with uh a platform called Bond First, and UH John and um Reggie White. They both Reggie Wright was running death Row for a while and John worked at death Row for a while. Got um so they're super knowledgeable on the music business.

Super yeah. Yeah. We talked to Yeah, that's the chronicles, so we we you know, all things knowledgeable when it comes to death Row. And they were the first platform once I dropped. This is the third anniversary, you know, July seventeen is the third anniversary of Tupac Must Dive

me releasing it. And we did a conversation. We were talking about different things and to watch people in the comments, no like antagonized or attempt to antagonize me is like almost like the greatest thing I ever saw, because you gotta think. Right before I dropped two pop must Die like, um, like, the title itself was really inspired by Romeo almost. I think it's obvious, right, I don't know. I don't think it was that obvious, but I thought it was obvious, right,

So um, the idea behind the story. So this is what's crazy, right, so old The first off, no seilings, jail my man Peter bosson, and ship is not going to work, right, so click on right. So two thousand twelve, I leave Cash Money Records. Two thousand and eleven, I leave Cash Money Records. I'm in a studio with DJ Head. I'm working on what is White Lightning two at the time, right, and I'm recording all these songs and everybody or anybody who knows me knows that scar Face is like my

favorite rapper. You know what I mean like he like I have the utmost respect for Scarface, probably more than any other MC that ever breathe just as a artist, like a vocally performing artist, not necessarily the same cultural phenomenon that I celebrated about Snoop, you know, which is

why I say he's the greatest hip hop artist ever. Um, not the business acumen of a whole which is why you know, you know he's the most successful rapper ever, or the creative brilliance of Kanye West, you know, all my top five guys, or the or the imagination and and the lushness of that is Rick Ross. Scarface rapping right is literally I said, it's like if if if God of the Old Testament was an m C, that's how he he would sound and rap about the same

stuff scar Face rapp about. Right. So I was super inspired by Scarface making music at that time. In two thousand and eleven, and DJ Head comes into the studio. Right now, DJ has been DJ and about four years, but he picked it up lightning fast, you know what I mean, he knew exactly what to do with it. It's it's almost unbelievable how fast he became a great DJ and I'm recording the booth and he comes to the door of the booth. He like, man, why is

all your fucking songs slow? And I'm like, what you mean? Music is slow? Like nigga music is just music. He's like, nah, man, it's bpms beach per minute. And I'm like, what the funk you're talking about. I'm like, man, beat it, you know, we get the funk out of here. So he goes in the engineer room with Tommy and uh. I come out. I'm listening to the song, like, yeah, this so hard, cruise, you ain't funk with this. He's like, man, it's just

so slow. And I'm like, man, bla blah blah. I walked out of that control room right studio signal here, and I walked into the other control room and I came back and Head was in the booth recording in the same cadus to the same beat on my fucking song slow, like just being an asshole, right, So I'm like what fuck? So, like, man, what are you talking about? Music is slow? Because how could he like this rhythm? Bpm? He said like, you know, hit your chests, no, he

told me. Tapped the table, and you know, I was tapping into the beat. He like, he was playing my song. He like, see this your song, and he said, this is a scar Face song and play that's the same temple. He said. The difference is this is a snoop song and I'm tapping faster, and I'm like, holy shit, Like there's a difference, right. But before that, music to me was just ballots and Luke. Ballot and Luke and everything in the middle was the same thing. Because I wasn't

going to parties to dance. I mean, it ain't like, you know, G Funk was making music as fast as you know, Bill bb to vote or new Jack Schwang and something's not that speed. So that was like the first revelation I had, you know, in the step of the education that is the record business. And from that point on, like I just kind of fell down this hole, like head pushed me down this hole and I'm falling.

I'm catching BPM. I'm starting here, the samples I'm hearing how you know, genres matter, you know what I mean? Where you at around the country. I noticed the West coast really took the funk. I noticed the South took the blues. I noticed that Midwest took thor and B and I noticed the East Coast took the jazz, you know what I'm saying. So now I'm falling falling. So now I'm learning the records. I pick it up. I got a decent understanding. You know. Then you keep falling

because now you're starting to understand what's hip hop. You're like, Okay, it's way more than just It ain't really the music, you know, I mean, it's the way people from urban street culture. It's culture, you know. I mean how they was freaking the music and culturally, you know, it depends on where you at determines how they're freaking the music. But it's all rooted in urban street culture, you know, densely populated, crime written neighborhoods. Sounds like okay, So now

I'm getting a vibe for that. And then I started understanding marketing right, What marketing was branding right, It's like understanding your business. Marketing is understanding your customers, and when they line up right, you have an amazing business. Right. Sounds like damn. So it became eight years of this ship. I tried to put out music and I couldn't because my mind was just I'm falling down the whole. I could never grab nothing to stop me from falling, and

it was just crazy. And right around two thousand and eighteen, towards the end, I noticed I was like, holy sh it, this is way deeper than I thought. So I didn't got all this information. So now as I started understanding the business that Glasses and Malone records needed to be, it became a parent right understanding the brand, Right, how do people see the brand that is Glasses? Where am I really an expert at? You know where? What urban street culture am I a professor in? Like? What could

I teach of the population? What information do I have that they don't have. I'm a crip, and I'm a crip in a way right to where I've always been sober, I've always asked questions. You know, I fought shot and everything you could do, went to jail the whole, non soul, drugs, everything. But I was always awoke. I was never even under the influence of weed. I never smoked weed in my life. I never drank alcohol in my life, So I've always

conscious that things were going on. So my take on gang banging right is really unique because it's from very much the experience but with a level of rational So I realized people saw my brand. Right, they look at Glass and they're like, oh, he's a crip. So that is something they are willing to accept from me, right when it comes to my excellence as as a as a as a professor in gang banging. Right, Um, moving forward, Like my customer is people that are fans of gangster rap.

I was like, okay, so what's gangster right? And I'm like, okay, this is crime, right, Okay. Hip hop is when and the greatest hip hop is when you unearthed culture, like culture that hasn't been obviously presented. So you know the first time you heard snooping them and you've seen the video and you've seen low Riders in the music video, right,

that was them unearthened the culture style of the West Coast. Right, you see them wearing dickeys and penalties and chucks and blue laces and hats and in the five and one denim Jackie's you've seen the fashion another aspect of culture. Right. So they've been unearthened culture, you know, and gangster aft for thirty years at this point. So I'm like, damn man, you know, So I started looking up the word culture, right, and I'm like, okay, these are different aspects. And one

aspect stuck out to me, which was morality. I mean, I don't think people really understand morally what's acceptable in our line of lifestyle. And something in me decided it was two things I had to do, right, If I wanted people to care about the culture, I had to put I had to make somebody a part of it that they had vested interest in the mainstream world. Yeah,

So it was two ideas I had. One was the story of the riots right in Reginald Denny right, how the A trades kicked off what we called the Los Angeles Rods in the two when that video comes out to I still it to play, Reginaldny you have to you have to right. So and then uh, it was that or Tupacs cor right, who when I was growing up was culturally ours. You know, he belonged to urban a maror he belonged like my mom bought me a CD. Like he's perfect, Like he has the right attitude, know

what I'm saying. So, um, he was culturally ours initially, but as he passed away and reached his heights as a musician, and as an entertainer, and then he passed away, so tragically it sent him into a trajectory, right, that was Jesus like right, it was like Jesus where he became a figure you could pray to and in theory

unite people. And then so they created just like Christianity, they created a whole religion around Tupac that what a due respect, altered some of the facts, you know what I mean, for for the justification of bringing humanity together. Like Constantine when he when you know, when he when he orgestrated what would be called Christianity. It was the

goal to bring Rome together. So they allowed things that didn't have to necessarily be true, you know, as they made it the truth because this was the smartest way to you, you you know, unify people, stop these fights.

And that's what I think the legacy of Tupac does, know, I mean, they have you know, it's a religion, and you have preachers, right, you have bond first, you have art of dialogue, right, who are really some intelligent brothers and different people who run around preaching the gospel of Tupacs and corps. And it don't matter if it's not real or if it's false or none of that. It's like long as it brings people together in the name of Tupac. Like I realized there was a TV it

was a movie called uh Um. It was a superhero like like a knockoff X Man the Watchman. It's not a knockoff x Man. Forgive me the Watchman, right, And it was the same. It was the same moral storyline of Jesus or you know pop where people bring They they created a lie, right, they made Russia looked like they were about to attack America right to bring you know that or no, excuse me, I take that back. Uh alien superhero was attacking Earth to stop the war

between America and Russia. I mean they made this this figure, this alien figure from another planet, seemed like he was attacking the Earth so all of the countries could come together, you know, and stop warring. And even though it was based off the premise of a lie, it didn't matter. It didn't fucking matter for me. It didn't matter. And that's what happens with the legacy of Tupacs to cord.

At this point, they're creating a religion around it, you know what I mean, to unite people, so it's okay. You know what I mean, it's okay and long story short. So when I decided to make the song, I realized I needed to take a mainstream event that had somebody in it that the mainstream people care about, and then somebody from the urban streets that I'm from or the lifestyle that they may have misunderstood. You're kind of in a way just declared yourself, Homer to Tupacs Odysseus with

like the Iliot and the Odyssey. Sure, sure, And my goal was never to disc You can't discredit tuopocs re cord. That's just stupid. Like, let's start. Tuopocchord is one of the maze. Is one of the most amazing and greatest comeback stories in the history of human beings. Yeah, I mean period, Like I don't think Rudy's comeback story it is as great as Tupac's comeback story. Like tupacs comeback stories one of the greatest comeback stories in the history

of mankind for me, Like, it's that great. But I realized that, you know, the story was to be told about the urban street experience, and I knew how to tell it in a much more detailed in deeper way that was start out and how it goes, because I'm experienced at it and I've studied it enough to understand

it outside of my own understanding. So all of these things went into the thought that was Tupac must die to do it and to watch people in the comments reduce it down to cloud chasing, like oh, you just said Tupac name. It's like you're discrediting real like thought like this took me years to come up with this idea, Like these are not simple ideas, you mean, like if you listen to the depth of the song, you're here,

you know, with gang banging, you're here. A lot of the shooes in it, you know what I mean, a lot of the malfunctionings of it. You know, the the you know, the over value of pride is in that song, you know if if you know, if we're get back to the city, everybody gonna try me. That's how you

really kind of the whole thing of the song. When I first saw the project, I was like, oh, that's you know, kind of taking the most high profile gang related murder of all time and using that as an illustration to kind of define what happens and why things happen in real time in that world for other people who don't get it, you know, Like that's how it came off to me. Yeah, I agree. So, Um, it was just like the greatest illustration example ever for that you know that area. Yeah, and I put a lot

into the song. The title itself was like the probably the easiest thing because I was just watching John Tucker Must Die, like Romeo Must Die, John Tucker Must Die, sure two Parker Must Die film. I didn't even think of it like people would say like must die, like like I think they get the film. I'm talking about this legacy or something weird. You know, sometimes people aren't that right, you know what I'm saying that, Like they are entirely too intellectually lazy to even care the process

and idea. They have too many things going. They're too busy to think. Let's just be honest because so long story short, Um, we shoot the whole video first person. You know, the whole video is shot first person. You know, you you got to experience what it's like to to be with your homeboys. I turned you into a gangbanger, and I gave you the mind state I gave you the the things that I remember early about being a gang member. I gave you the the arrogance. I gave

you the the pride that the ego. I gave you the concern. I gave you the pressure where niggas is like, yeah, you're gonna let this nigga get. I gave you everything I ever got as a gang member in less than five minutes. I got a question the first person perspective of the video and and most of it is on foot, is it a coincidence that, like, I don't like the

beat or the baseline it. It's kind of got this plotting kind of sound to it, like matches up with a guy walking go go, Like it kind of fits in with a person just walking around all the time. And it's like perfectly, it's a very it is a very plotty type of sound and very menacing and thought. But it's so much into that song and that record to watch people like, oh, he just said Tupac's name. It's like, you know, and and that ship's hilarious to me,

you know. But anytime I talk about it, you know, people talk about it to this day, they remember it. You feel me and what what made me comfortable with I knew what to expect, right, Um, I definitely didn't think people was this lazy intelligent like I thought by now people start figuring it out, but they still got some more time. Right. Um. It's almost weird because um, because what I'm saying, I don't actually see how is disrespect at all. That's what I've been trying to figure out.

People like it's a tup this Tupac. Even when Dre was Like when Dr Drey was arguing me in the studio and I'm listening to him, I'm like, nik at this Tupac. Why would I this Tupac? He like, you got a song called Tupac. I'm like, no, I don't kind of dom ask it is that like Tupac passed away and I'm a Tupac. You know I love tupacs music. Why would I this Tupac? He was like, well, you know that's and that's what somebody told him. So that's how people are passing the message. Like, and I'm starting

to realize it's actually not the content at all. It's how people are passing the message of the song, and most likely it's coming from somebody who never watched the song or the visual. Rather, they never heard the song and they're just passion it. And I'm starting to realize, like I'm counting the views on YouTube, is at three million views. On Facebook before my Facebook I stole it

was at five million views. On Twitter, it's a two million views, right, So you're talking about a total of you know, ten million views, you know, on Instagram maybe another million views whatever it is. It's way more people talking about it. So that means all of these people didn't see it, yet they have an opinion about it. And I started to think about where we at in today's time, where people just read the headline and they

think they know the story. Yeah, And the same thing was true also about tupacs shooting itself, Like how many people around hip hop media has some sort of speculative, you know, conspiracy theory or whatever about or what was behind it or how it happened, why all these different things for years, you know. But what I realized, the brilliance in it all wouldn't be respected unless it was by like like a colleague or like somebody critical. Like

it wasn't meant to be a mass thing. And I realized that about n W as the police, or any time you unearthed a thought and culture, right, it is not for the mainstream to pick it up at that level. Now, you know a song like I just released, right, Kanye should have never married that bitch. That's a little bit more mainstream, right, because the concept is easier. Right, Um, you can't turn the whole into a housewife is an easy overstated concept in hip hop, at least culturally from us,

not for everybody else. I think a lot of the other you know, the East, the West, the East, the Midwest, and the South. I don't know if they quite agree because they culturally the South they are mary strippers and all kind of crazy shit. Um, the East, same way in the Midwest, you know, I know they're a lot like us. They're not, Yeah, they're not. They're not gonna save them, the East of saving the South of Saban, But the Midwest and the West, like we just ain't

gonna save them. So it's a little easier. And I also think the rhythm of the music, how fast it is as a as a record. So two Problem Must Die became this super duper anominaly and Pariah. And it's funny because somebody was talking to me They was like, man, I just knew people was gonna do other versions of that song, you know, like they would make another rapper.

And I'm like, the problem is people think I just said a rapper or certain fans would come to me right and people be like, oh, in when you're gonna do Biggie must die And I'm like, I don't know what happened to Biggie, nor what happened to Biggie is a street story. Yeah that's not a street story, right that, Like, nobody in the streets know what happened to Biggie. But that's how I knew. It was like a real high dollar hit, you know, I mean crazy ship. It wasn't

like regular with Tupac. When when when Pop got shot, we knew in real time to the t like we knew when they jumped on you know, cousin the casino, all the way to when he caught up with him and found out he got shot before the news said it. Because street business travels in the streets. Biggie Ship was never street business. Nobody had an idea what happened. It

wasn't even like nothing with Tupac. It was unanimous. At the same time, we all got the same cars and was calling each other around man the boys, and then got that pop say for jumping on him. And it was never like really no sad feeling. It was that's

how it's going on streets as normal. Yeah, But to to to have this work and people realize it and just you know, they are so intellectually lazy or so you know, consider themselves a fan is I'm telling you it's no different than when I talked to like, I don't I don't like talking about religion, especially Christianity, right because I don't study Christianity the way other people do. I don't. First off, I don't study it under somebody watching down on me like a preacher or somebody trying

to tell me. And nor do I study the Bible is not the beginning. I mean Christianity itself, you know, it starts with multiple different things way before that, even before you know the counselor not see it conveniing what I'm saying before that, like the ideas were already there. I'm saying, even if it wasn't called Christianity. So that's how I feel, and you just like I watch it and I watched how many pains like I got a chance to talk to dreb By, how many people hated

them at the the police. I was able to get some counsel from me, and I was able to get counsel from the outside. And I realized when you make real gangster wrap, like, people don't like it. Their outrage.

When Snoop first came out dog, I never forget it was a church group or a church collective, A bunch of churches bought like two or three hundred of his c ds and then put them out in the streets and had all these people out there rooting against it, right, and they were and they were um and they were like they rolled them over with like a steam press. I mean it was on the news. Even even in the watts of people still call the police, like if

something happens to them, you know, that's significant enough. So it might be like, oh, they're not gonna shove, I'm not gonna call, But if it matters enough, people are still gonna call the police, you know, And though are the people that are gonna make up most of the audience.

I thought one of the interesting points you made kind of in Passing a second Ago was like if um all you were saying, like, like like people get like fans who who don't know the guy get more passionately like engaged, like emotionally over the death of Tupac or celebrities in general.

You know, then, like you would in a circumstance that makes sense over someone that you knew personally, Like if someone from you know, your hood that you knew I wouldn't got involved in, you know, deal whatever to somebody else and they came back and got him. I mean, you're gonna have to do what you're gonna have to do, but you're probably you're not gonna be irrationally like out of your mind over how it could possibly have taken place, You know what I mean? M hm um, you know

what it is too. And I realized looking at it, I realize the difference between me and most people, and I have to stop calling myself that like. Fan is short for fanatic m hm. A fanatic is a person feel with excessive and single minded zeal, especially for any extreme purpose, whether it's religion or political cause. So a person feel so a Tupoc fan or Tupoc fanatic, or a snoop DOGG fanatic or a snoop dog fan is a person feeled with excessive and single minded zeal for

this artist. I don't think I'm a fanatic of anyone. No, I can't cross that bridge either. It's it's a it's a state of delusion. I mean it's it's it's it's artificially manufacturing a relationship with the person that you don't know and have never met that doesn't exist, you know, and valls of emotional bonds that's not real. And it's people man who jump in my d M once or twice a year and literally just what cuts me out?

And I'll ask them when I got time and feel like being bothered, I'd be like, why are you upset? What is wrong? He's like, when you made that song Distant Tupac, how did I diss him? Well? You know you you just capitalizing off his death. I'm like, anybody that talks about Tupac today capitalizes off his death. If they're telling the story that you feel favors him, it's capitalizing off his death. If you feel as somebody who says something negative, if somebody puts out a verse, they're

capitalizing off the fact he died. And you start making sense to people, and because they're so single minded Lee, you know, excessively just enthusiastic about a person and they they're single minded. And the point about hip hop is it's all about that upside down perspective. So how if you're a fanatic of Tupoci Cord right, there's no way possible you can understand this song. Like if somebody is a fanatic of the police department and police services, fuck

the police, could never make sense. It don't matter which point you point out, Like to me, Tupoc I was not Like, the goal was not to take an opposing side against Tupocsichord. That's just silly. It's not about that. It's to inform you right on the morality of a specific urby street culture. It's crimping. I mean, gang banging blood do the same exact thing like, and we morally all agree that it's the right thing to do, and

we all respected. So I'm shedding a lot, you know, in in a place in hip hop that's never been sheared before. Moraley. But if somebody's a single minded, if they are a single minded and excessive you know what I mean, sending this over a person or a cause, I'm more delusional to think they can understand it, you know what what I'm saying, like, and it hit me like, I am not a fanatic. I'm not a fan of any fucking bodies. Yeah, I'm not a fan of anyone.

I'm single minded about or excessive about any person. The closest would be scar Face, and yes, Scarface can do wrong. What's weird to me is what Tupac must die. I don't think I pointed out anything wrong about him. I didn't say, oh, he did this wrong. I'm giving you a person's perspective of how they see it. And he didn't say did nothing wrong. He like, oh, I'm gonna show this nigga, because he showed every other nigga that

wasn't Tupac just as well, even to his death. The nigga got into a crazy shootout with some niggas and showed them and died in the process. This is a nigga consistently showing, improving that he is not to be taking advantage of or disrespecting. I had the craziest conversation with Redge about this, right, and this was offline, and I was telling Redge, redg genuine Dredgy Reggie right, right? Was he ran the company that's death Row. He was security.

You know, he's a he's a post. He was a police early on in his in his in his life because his father was like a legend that probably the most legendary law man from Compton. He was like a law man that everybody in Compton respected like it didn't matter, you know. Real like we was talking about the other day, real one per center and gang bang culture is the same culture. Really, people don't really disrespect the police like person like you understand the value for law and you

run your place through law. It's it's more or less. You don't funk with big government, give me fed government. So right, um, and Reggie was really convinced that they put out you know, and I've heard O g uh kiv D said, I don't believe it. I don't give a fuck what they say. If you put out a seventy five hundred or ten thousand dollar bounty on a motherfucking death rod chain, because nigga, not only would everybody be fighting from one gang to mob right for they

change Dad's and corrupt would have been in trouble. Ten thousand dollars, ten thousand motherfucking dollars you know what the type of ship motherfucker did in nine and watch that's down payment on the house. You know how many colors is and regals? Ten thousand dollar by man. Niggas would have been looking for Dad's and corrupt. So if you put a bounty out on a chain, bounties don't go to one neighborhood, the niggas is gonna tell other niggas.

For sure. Babby Lane would have told dre Or Lane would have told niggas from Nutty Block or niggas from neighborhood comed the neighborhood the niggas that they freaking why didn't niggas wasn't looking for change? You know, I'm an verify further, but I just do not believe for two motherfucker's seconds that it was a ten thousand dollar bounty on about fifty chains and didn't no change come up missing. This is this is southern California, my nigga. This is

a crip country. It is literally two already crypt for everyone blood and crypts don't like crips. So Dad's and corrupt for short Snoop would have been on the chopping block for ten thousand dollars, right, now I can pay ten thousand dollars and get snooped shot shot. For if I give a nigga ten thousand, they will shoot the ship out of dog. And it's snoop. Thinking about ten thousand, like ten thousand right now with inflation, ten thousand can't get you nothing but a couple of you know, tanks

of gas. Now and get you nothing but a couple of in and out meals. Now, yeah, it's still a check celebration dinner. Ten thousand and nine six would have got you ten colorses and the probably during the right now, right ten ten colors is in the regal, nigga, and I'll talk about clean colors. Is with your rolls, nice interior? You know, I mean twenty seven thousand miles, you've had some nice g body colorses and regals. Because so for me right now, ten thousand dollars, nigked, that will get

you just one clean colors. You can't even get a grand back. Then you could have got two grand Nationals for ten thousand and ninety six. So you mean to tell me, dog would have been walking around with a Niggas would have been on them, niggas like Boy White on rice ten ten was in ten thousand dollars. Niggas is crazy man, ten thousand. Now, I don't give a funk with all the niggas sin, none of them niggas. I love all of them with all my heart soul, and I think they'd be right nine of the time.

But some of this ship is ridiculous. If I put a ten thousand dollar bounty right now on any nigga change in the city and ten thousand dollars because is not what ten thousand dollarge used to be. There's not a nigga click change if if it's more than ten change, nick, I will have three of the motherfucker's for ten thousand dollars, there'd be a run on your bank. How many would come back? Ten thousand right now? For one thousand name number,

four months, rent and watts, that's what. That's four months and ten thousand fil me ten thousand in any other city is two to three months. So people think I'm starting to get that. People think I'm crazy, right, So there's there's a there's a tuproblem dis away entity right because um because like right, the conversation is with fanatics and it's their singlemindedly objective and and to some people, um,

nothing Tupac did could warrant his death. That Tupac could have raped their mother and it didn't warrant their death. Tupac could have, you know, molested somebody and that didn't warrant his death. To this version of a fanatic, again, like if you talk to a Christian, I mean, and you explained to them Jesus was a man walking the earth and of course he did the wrong. No, Jesus

didn't do nothing. It's impossible, and it's like, well, why couldn't he have I mean, but again, when you're a fanatic, you know, when you're single minded, you know, and you and I feel with excessive zeal for an entity or a person, there's no way possible. And and even with Tupac must die, like it's not you shouldn't dislike Tupac. If you hear the song like you don't, you don't have to dislike Tupac. All I'm expressing to you is the morality of gang members. Yeah, I don't get what

is the problem. It's just these orthodox Tupac fundamentalists, orthodox Tuparc fundamentalists. I had an idea I was going to do with the outlaws, moprem different niggas. I wanted to make something called the Thible, the Thug Bible, right, and it's the Two Testament, and it's it's like just like Matthew,

Mark Luke and John. I would have you know, all of the outlaws, all of the surviving members of thug life of treats, all right, these these biblical chap there these books, you know, like Bible books on their experiences with Tupac. And then I would compile it and make it, you know, I would. I would create a counsel of Compton right, a counsel of Compton right that literally has that creates this religion that follows the thug laws of Tupac,

and you can create a legit religion from it. Because Tupac's legend has to be like, you know, bigger than Jesus legend was in that time, like like between Tupac, between Jesus dying, you know, being hung on the cross, all the way to when they created Christianity. His legend was spready, but his legend didn't spread as much as pox did after he passed away. To two thousand. Tupac's legend is worldwide. It is infectious and people love it. So all you need to do is give them an

organized way to practice said religion and to follow. Like I was so again today, like um um Kanye should have never married that bitch took place in a wedding chapter. But they see across He's like, how dare you you know? Um take that symbol of Jesus Christ and you defoul it with your visuals of using profanity. And I was like, well, you m in the church and I want to complain to him. God chased people. I mean, Jesus tastes people

out the church with a broom. People chase him out the temple with the broom swinging on him, trying to whack them. Feel me, so not to mention Jesus did not select the cross as his symbol. That's like me, I'm alive. My number is seven. That's my number. So if you wanted the number that represent me seven and then I passed away and you for some reason talking about I got shot three times, so my number is three, bitch,

my number was seven. That's mamma. If you follow me and you really fuck with me, how you let a bunch of other motherfucker's tell you what my number was that represents Oh, he got shot three times, so his numbers three, bitch, No, it's not. And that's how I feel about when they talk to me about Jesus with the Cross. Bro y'all chose that ship for your selfish purposes of like, oh, he died for our sins or

the Cross. No, bitch, that represents your relationship. What represents Jesus is something that Jesus fun with that he picked. And I feel like that with Tupac too. I keep explaining this to people, right, Tupac loved the streets. He embraced them. He embraced everything that came with them. And you watch people telling about they Tupac fans and they Nip fans and they're trying to down the streets. These two niggas love the streets. They would never turn their

back on the streets. Some people say, oh, it caused their death, that's why they die. No, they die because you gotta die. You is not gonna live on this motherfucker forever. You got to die. How you go out. What's more important than the fact you gotta die as how you live. And them two gentlemen understood that the best they understood that living a certain way was more important than just dying, and they chose to live the

way they wanted to live. So it's weird that, like I said, if I say I'm a Tupac, like I enjoyed tupacs music, or before I realize I'm not a fanatic of anyone, like I would consider myself a fan of Tupac. I enjoyed his music thoroughly. And somebody said, well, how could you be his fan and make a song like Tupacs died? I'm like, that's exactly why you can

make the song. Yeah, I mean, people are huge. It's usually people who have a passion for something, their research, something to try to answer an unsolved question or a question that's maybe been solved but not necessarily relayed to people, you have to be you know, indoctrinated in that person. To me, So it's like it's just been a weird experience. Man, the whole thing was a weird experience, you know what I'm saying. But it was great. It was It was so by far as the first time I ever was

called a cloud. I don't even know what that is. That Like I always had cloud, sayce high school. I don't even never not remember being one of those niggas. That would be like tantamount to saying that at the height of his career that the game was a cloud chaser because he always was always referring to like legendary West Coast Rappers all the time and ship in this vield.

I think they only called it cloud chasing, right if if it's uh, if they feel the conversation is negative, if if you in a positive manner like where Chuck, which he uses those names, they say, he's a uh what's the word called? He always um uh it's it's a word for to name something uh maybe like game be uh. I forgot Anyway, it didn't matter to me because I don't I don't subscribe to none of that silly ass ship. I feel like people talk about things that people want to tune into. M hm. You know

what I'm saying. People talk about things that people want to tune into. And the thing about you know, Tupac Must Die was the title is because that was the mind state of the person he jumped. Not only was it a film, but I shot it first person, so if you watched the video, you watched it from the eyes of somebody that got jumped by Tupac and his friends. I mean, that's why must die based off of the fact that that was that right, it made perfect sense. Um,

I don't know, man, like I don't. I don't, I don't. I don't think this should even be hard for fanatic to understand because this doesn't go against anything that Tupacs

said or stood for. Like it's people who arguing maybe like a lot of Tupac wasn't a gang member, and I'm like Tupacs that he is from the mob, Like he started claiming mob starts at m O B and money over bitches and it's par Roux and talking about you know, Long Beach Boulevard and Rosecrans and you know, I think he was already you know, vested in the community at that point. Yes, that's I think pretty reasonable.

Do you think that like a lot of like I could understand somebody from I don't like Irvine or suburban Phoenix or wherever the hell being a fan with no perspective, do you feel that a lot of the people who you know are hyper critical of the project to you would fit that um description or that they're like really street people who were just for some reason clouded by this one exceptional character. For the most part, nobody in

the streets feels like that. What I realized, most people who do feel that way have never seen a video. I would I would dare someone to read the lyrics and see the visuals and not say like, oh, this is genius and it's not a pot this. But again, it's a reason why it's only ten million views across the net, you know what I mean, Yet there's a hundred million to three hundred million opinions. Mm hmm. You

I mean, it's it's a it's a cold thing. You feel me, it's it's it's it's almost unbelievable dog And it's in a lot of people for sake of the conversation surrounding it couldn't probably either didn't want to couldn't bring themselves to watch it, like like voter suppression of like viewer suppression. Yeah, because I think somewhere in their mind they thought if they watched it, that um that they if they if they watched it, that they may

have a different opinion of somebody there. You know, they're singlemindedly and excessively filled with enthusiasm about Yeah, I don't get it. And and I'm gonna tell you how I know it's true and possible, right Um, during those eight years of studying the business and going crazy and like you know, I realized, like somebody like Michael Jackson right west side, real quick, I got you on the podcast

I'm talking to Pete. Um, what is it when somebody uses names all the time to actually verify their point or to make you interested, like it I work with this nigga, this nigga? What do we call that name? What do we call it? Name dropping? No name something? What what was the slang word for what we call that name dropping? Name dropping? Need be name dropping? So if you say something positive or would people revere as

positive about other people, they say is name dropping. If you say something that people feel is negative, they would call it cloud chasing. So either way, whether you funk with niggas that's celebrity or popular, you feel me, I meet you back, nigga, whether you funk with people that celebrity or popular, like, people are going to get mad about it. Like, can I put you on a spot

real quick? Yeah? For sure? In your opinion based off of all the people you know and all the people you've talked to and known for years that were around Park and all and all. But you know a lot of people from and we're around death Throw on the Scene and all of it. Yeah, content and all of that has them. Was there any element of two PACs we'll call it relationship with my piru that had anything to do with beneficial branding or positive feedback of any

kind of sort other than just pure organic social proximity. No, there's no economic benefit. Gangs are like super duper welcoming. You know, there's always a member right that's trying to figure out, Man, maybe I can change my life, maybe this could put me in a legal light to earn economically. So yeah, there's always those guys. But for the most part, gangs are just proud that you want to be a part of them. I'm not asking from the perspective of

the gang. I'm asking from the perspective of the of the rapper. Like does the rappers affiliation with the name brand title of at the time of the West Coast Gangster Wraps that like full Throttle. I genuinely think when Pot came home, Park had read some really great books. Are the Wars one. I think Pot came home with a marketing strategy. He put together a marketing strategy sitting in jail that was going to be for a proof um.

Then I think he initially was jails like, yeah, when I come home because I'm signing death from I'm a bank to mob im we should no. But I think what happened was when he came home, he saw how dope niggas was, Like, he saw how dope Trey vine Lane was. He saw how dope butt real I was. He saw how dope Heron was. He saw the love of niggas who grew up poor together in the camaraderie of it, and it's very infectious, you know what I mean, Like like when you see how niggas get down with

each other. I mean, I got putnished from the mob. My boy Mike, he Rue locked up the Boarrestie Peace turn Rib. I can go through names of mob niggas, droe Rescipe, Peace, different niggas that I genuinely love, feel me and you know, you you come up in the sect. Yeah it's not culture. It's a little different, but it's the same community, and you realize you got so much

in common with niggas. And I think when Pop came home, Don't get me wrong, I think definitely when he signed with Death Row, he realized, like, yeah, this nigga kinda I'm not feeling how these niggas is on top. And they did kind of, you know, get my style of talking to the girls and ships. So feel me. And I got shot in the town and I could kind of take it where I want to take it. Like he had a plan for sure, But I don't think his plan involved let me become a mob piru. I

think that happened organically. I thought they saw him and they liked him. This nigga, you know, it's a young, wild nigga, This nigga twenty four, you know what I mean, he's a superstar to some degrees. He's a star. You mean he's in films. You I mean, he's like a nigga. You know, Pocket is a nigga, you know what I mean? Like feel me. He was vocal open, he had survived jail, he had been shot. There's a lot of things to respect about his experience. When you come from our backgrounds,

you're like, ship man, this nigga. Nigga just got out of prison. Then they got a parole number. You feel me. They fucking with him, you know, he you know, he carried from the side slum, so you love it and he vocal this Nigga is brightened loud on niggas year and nigga popping and ship. So I could see how they could be indoctrinated into, you know, fucking with him and supporting him. He's a fucking awesome He's an awesome light. You know I'm saying going on and and from his eyes,

you know you're talking about niggas that's down as a motherfucker. Yeah. I mean, the motherfucking niggas was. Damn they was with it and they was gonna. You know, there wasn't like no other niggas pop was around. No disrespect to nobody from from the bay, you know, from up top, no disrespect to none of the homies from thug life and none of that. But them niggas was some ship and

them niggas was. They would press a hard line. And I think he saw that in that camaraderie, that love they had for each other, and that style and that culture and that fashion and that get down and he fell in love with it too. It's hard not to you see rappers today falling in love with it right now, singers, you know what I mean. It's it's a very infectious thing. So I genuinely think, Na, he wasn't really if that

wasn't part of the plan. And I'll be honest. I mean, I'll say something honest on this podcast, and its something I don't share often, but I definitely think, well, I think it was obvious the beef for bad Boy wasn't real from his perspective. It was just competitive. I mean, he wanted to compete for that spot. You know, Snoop had one spot. It wasn't take. It wasn't no taking Snoop spot. Stoop was the nigga I mean, but Biggie spot happened was a big deal. And this was his

little homie, you know what I'm saying. This was his little nigga that he put on and put him on stages and funk with him and you know, showting love and now this nigga come home and you and jail. This nigga is the man. Big is the fucking man. And you know, you see some little things being said, you see some things that you feel was played around so you could create enough of an attitude to compete. Now, how do you formulate the public to support you competing.

You can't just say, well him niggas ain't better than me, right, It's like no, So a lot of times he allowed the public to be misled with belief that you know, people really feel like Biggie has something to do with him getting shot, or Biggie set him up, or Biggie called niggas and Pop always said that's not true. But he did give you little small tid bigs to where you think that could be possibly true, so that rallies you around, like POC understood war differently, and he came

home with a plan and executed. So No, I don't think genuinely bro that that that was. Um, I don't think that's what he was on. I don't think he came home like y'all gonna be from MAB. I think saw like I said, them names them names them niggas, you know, shuk man. It really was like, man, I funk with this, I funk with these niggas, and they're

down for me, you know what I'm saying. And they saw him and saw a little a light, a flashlight like a light like a lighte from God like a being you feel me, and they just like you know, they was attracted to each other the whole movement, and they got down and it ended up producing you know, possibly you know, one of the greatest hip hop albums or greatest albums ever to come out in music. So

it's it's it's tough. It's tough, man, because while I do get how a fanatic can feel about something, right, but if you took the time to look at it and watch it, you feel me. It's not against POC. The idea is informative, is to help you understand. But again the point I was making when I lost my train of thought earlier, and then we jump off because

I don't want to drag this out. But when I was along my studies from two thousand eleven to two thousand nineteen, I'm still studying there, but this is when I was at the grass Root and you know, getting my uh my bachelor's and record making, you know, getting my masters and hip hop, you know, getting my doctorates and marketing. Right as as I'm on that journey for those from two thousand eleven and nineteen, I learned about

Michael Jackson. I learned Michael jackson dance move came from a gentleman named by False and a couple of mixed components. But a lot of the way he's moved that we've made him popular for or made him original, came from by false. Um. I figured out that, you know, Billy Jean, you know, Billy Jean is just hauling notes. I can't go for that. I realized that thriller is Rick James. I realized he kind of, you know, took a lot

of the field from Ray Parker Badest Ghostbusters. I realized Don't start to You Get Enough is a poorly executed version of of Um Marvin Gays got to Give it Up. He wrote the song in his kitchen with the radio playing. The number one song in the country was Marvin Gaye Got to Give it Up. So if you listen to Michael Jackson, don't stop till You Get Enough. It's the reason he sings in falsetto poorly. It sounds horrible, like it's not the word, but it's not Royn Banks from

the Dramatics. You know, that's not his style. But he was so possessed by what Marvin Gaye and Rick James and Prince, you know what I mean, and all that stuff, and Quincy Jones was such a machine that you could tell him and he could make it be that without being that. You know. Somebody asked me who did I think Quincy Jones was right, and they said that I think it was Dr Dre And I was like, I told DJ Quick this. I said, if Quick is Prince and Rick James mixed together, his influence on Dr Dre

makes him Quincy Jones. But I don't think Dr Jars Quincy Jones. You know who's Quincy Jones? For real? That nigga is some ship. He will make some ship across all landscapes, and he will make some ship that feel like some ship that ain't that ship. And that's the same thing. So while I'm thinking right the fact that you know, the greatest the legends in the history of the game, what I tried to do with most niggas around me, and what I try to do musically, even

with Tupac must Die. I tried to explain to you the stars are not that they're not that far out there, like these are not just super gifted people or super talented people. Most of these people that are successful at that level, like a poc was well studied. These nigga study history. These are animals and monsters. Dr Dre knows more records than anybody in the world. I just nigga know all the records. He don't know how to play the piano as much as he knows all these records.

Scott Stories don't know all these records as much as you know how to play the piano. So again, the great like, So I'm telling this to my boy, and I'm showing him. You know, a movie of by Falls and they called The Little Prince, and it's a scene called the Snake. I'm saying where he's teaching this little boy where the snake is, and he turns into a human snake and he's explaining to this boy and that's where those moves Michael Jackson used from to the point

where it's a moonwalk and everything you mean. And I showed him how. I start breaking down all of Michael Jackson's biggest records in the music and I'm like, yeah, I got it from here. And instead of the person I was teaching, instead of you're feeling like, oh I can because he's an artist, he's like, oh, instead of them saying I can be great, Like greatness is not that far away if I just put in my work and I study. You know what I'm saying, I can

be that. It's like, oh, he's not that, that's the nigga. That was the nigga response. Oh I thought he was that. That nigga is not that. No, he's that nigga. I'm saying, you could be that. That's not a role that hasn't been traveled. That's a well documented road consistently. And I'm realizing how people are such fanatics that if you expressing them, how somebody built themselves into something that's still their joy.

Like magic tricks are still magic tricks even if you know what's behind the curtain, but not to everybody else. They can't enjoy the magic trick if they know what's behind the curtains. That's the problem. And to me, that's what Tupac mus Die was. It was showing people what's behind the curtains. Damn. That's a perfect illustration of like

such a huge human behavior and societal issue. It's like people want like if somebody is regular and they I want to know why they aren't great, It's it's because to be great, you have to be endowed from God with something. Otherwise, if anybody could do it, I didn't do it, and I have to reconcile. Good looking out for tuning into the No Sillers Podcast. Please do us

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