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recover from himself. Now I wouldn't know oversaturation. It was a t high saturation T I like JA ruled because it was it was a gang of people that got on Flip from that and he took such a such an all on it that it was hard to overcome it. But we have been listening to Flip man all of that. I mean, but that's really close to beat Rules though, right there? No ceilings? Yeah, man, Pete, I got my boy Van lengthen in the house. What up? What up?

What up? Van? Um? Van? What's crazy is I was telling my uh my partner, my partner, Joey west Side, and I was like, yeah, me and Van got a lot in comment. And I think because people think because you're a gang banger, like it's a monolithic thing. And I was like, yeah, we we probably watched the same type of ship. We probably look at the same type of ship. And he just thought that was so crazy. And I think in our community, you know what I'm saying, Like as as far as just the overall idea of

the black I want to be dies for. But I think it's one dimension to people interest Like I think people mean when you black and me, you gotta be a funk up. So I think for people that are not funck ups, they probably get a harder, harder. Um, somebody might tell them they're trying to be white. Yeah, And I think black has become such an attachment And don't jump in, Pete, I want everybody to look at you crazy. Oh no, I'm say because I don't want to be like Pete, Ni Pete what I was saying,

because it's like, uh, it's um. I just think it's a it's a negative stigma that comes with it, you know. I mean, so the longest it's cultured for me is very much black to me, That's all it really is, is cultured. And I think me and King Los talked about this, that's all it is is culture. So it don't got to be a raggedy culture. It just needs to be cultured. They need to have us finesse and swag. Look, I think one thing that is it's different is and the Internet is doing this to a degree, like a

homogenizing thing. So dances that's popping in New York get popping in Baton Rouge super quick, and you know kind of you know, and you go everywhere like I would go home the last couple of times I've been home.

You know, we still got our own swaging battle. But but but you but you'd also see guys dressing like guys in l A or guys in Miami, or guys in New York just because they can see its so easily on the internet now, right and to a degree of main stream and to to a degree of mainstream um and to a degree it was always stuff like that right wherever you was, it was it was dope and ninety five to have some health figure on or whatever it was. So that hasn't changed even out here.

My boy Trash is like that. He's a super big New York. Well, to be real with you, I never forget Snoop created a frenzy in baton rouge. Well not I wouldn't say all over bad ruge, but definitely at my school because he performed on Saturday Night Live and he had this whole. He'll figure like like suit on this whole. He'll figure like it's like a wind break. He'll figure wind type suit. I can't remember, like a jumpsuit or something like that. And Nichols was crazy like

where the fund you get that from? Where you get that from? So it's always been that way to a degree, but I think back to your point is like for me one of my homies that got killed back in the day, it was like Van, Yo, you're a cool lass nigga. Like you cool bro, cool, you hoop, you do all of this. You just need to do a little dirt. He was like, he was like your life away just at you just need to do a little dirt. Yeah right right, you know you need to do a

little dirt. And I'm like, well why, Like for me, that wouldn't be a thing, right, It's like to to I know guys that got caught up and do their things for all different types of reasons, but it was it wasn't a thing for me, and you know, you know we lost DELV right, that was weird too. That was tripping he was. But at the same time he was saying, I got I got what he was saying.

He was trying to say, really get down with me, like we like I can come over here and play the video game with you, I can hoop with you, but there's a way that you can really get down with me. And and that's my thing, Like all of that ship is means to an end, Like niggas don't do dirt, Like if you're just doing dirt, cause just to do dirt, that's kind of weird to me. And and I know niggas that do that. And I tell him all the time because you're a weird though, Bro,

like some cold niggas. I haven't told Bro, you were weirdough, Like, it's all means to an end. You sell drugs to make money. I don't sell drugs to look cool. Yeah, I mean, you don't gang bang to look cool. You you you gang bang because you're standing up these your partners and you already I was explaining this to um to my little homie Ron yesterday. Ron is a chuck

distels and Ron was shout out to grown. But he always post these really negative things about gang banging, and I'm like, I feel you, But I think when you post about other things that carry the same negative connotations, you don't focus on those things. But see, you had to Tea, you have to scoom me on that a little bit because for and to the point that you were making before, right, making look a lot worse than

it is. Well, yeah, and the brothers do, yeah, right, And so to to the point that you were making before. So there's a certain survival metrics or there's a mechanism of blackness that most black people understand, right. I wouldn't even say most, I'd say a lot of black people understand. Like I'm from South bat Rouge, Louisiana, and being from there, there's in it an experience that goes along with that.

And it's like, even if you're not that, you're of that, right, Yea, that's been around, right, and so, but they're just like there were people hustling then, just like there were people doing that stuff when there was people that got up with the work every day, came home and and and and so I don't know how that gets represented as the the entirety of it. But to your point, when I first I used that same judgment against that when I was talking to you the first time we had

the podcast. Yeah like we like we we we. When we were doing the podcast, I was the connotiation in my mind around gang banking was negative. And since I've been in l A, it's totally changed. It's totally changed because I've met so many people that are good, brothers, good, good, don't even good, don't even begin to describe it. Is that a good because of her, a good in spite of It's none of the above. It's just it has nothing to do with the who they are, have to

do with the non correlative. It's just like the dudes that I know, you don't have to you don't have to throw your life away because you're a gang member. I think that's the belief, and I understand because there's a criminal what's called criminal, but it's not really a criminal, right, It's it's an outlaw, right, whereas there's a criminal consequence. Well, yes, right, But I think, um, like, it's homies that I grew up with. They had jobs the whole time. It's homies

I grew up with. That's from the hood, that's going to college, that trash truck union driver from one of my homies and got a full scholarship, joined the army, and so so what what what I'm saying is the way it's positioned, right, especially if you're I didn't. They didn't have gangs and Barugel's growing up, not Cristin Bloods,

not Cristal Bloods. And it was other ways that you represented that right, would be the South against whatever again, you know whatever, um, But what they showed us, even on that little joint that came on HBO, that like I used to always watch the Little Bang banging a little rock, or when you watch movies you see stuff. It was like Chris and Bloods sit um in rooms all day and try to figure out how to kill

each other. Sure, and it's never in disciple. And there is some of that, of course, very mental, but I didn't see it as just almost intra community lifestyle or I didn't have any real frame of reference, so it's easy to tell me whatever it was. So I got you in the podcast. I was trying to convince you at gang bangers, but it's not just you, and I don't want you to think that it's just you though, man,

because um, it's so so. Ron is from here. Ron grew up in the center of Raymond Avenue Cripts right Raymond, and he felt that way. And I'm like, bro, like I get it that you have had negative experiences like he's talked about like his pops not being around. Feel like he was more dedicated to the hood, which I told him, like they don't have nothing to do with the gang, Like, don't think that. Nobody in the hood is like, man, funk your kids come and got with USA,

like you put everything behind the MafA. And and I've never heard none of my homies black man. Don't be a good dad. Come hang out with us, nigga. We're feel gonna do this fun your kids. Like nobody talks like that, and I think people tend to highlight it. But gangs have such a different so many different people

do so many things. You know what I'm saying. Everybody nobody tells you to throw If you're actually doing well, people will for the majority most people, especially to all the dudes, to be like leave him alone, don't funk his ship up, let him go. When you decide to throw away your life, you know what I'm saying that's when they will show you how to do it and

have your best chance to stay alive. I haven't said all of this was there, and there it was portrayed that there was this particular point in the history of l A where game violence was really, really bad and we were losing a lot of brothers to it. True or false, I mean yes, But everywhere poor people are like in bad rules, there's gonna be spikes and crime,

even violent crimes. So when the opportunities are at their lowest, people fight the hardest, or when they're trying to Howard said, opportunity, the most violence happens. So when when when drugs came and crack came and it starts being like don't come over here near where I'm trying to get money. And some of that also a power vacuum element because when the sets are kind of young, when when when gang culture was kind of younger, you're when you're drawing out lines,

there's gonna be conflicts over those lines. Yeah, that's like early but I like but yeah, but I'm saying, but I'm saying that's not crazy, um, because it's a combination of a few things. But power you know, poor people, all they have is reputation. Prime example. Right, we talked about it before. It's like when you watch Um New Jack City, which is a movie, like I said, inspired by Phoenix Mitchell. Like if you read it and talk about it, the whole movie, right is um. The whole

theme of the movie is we all we got. That was the theme of their click, right until they got some money, until they got some bitches, until they got some power. When they had power, women and money, g money didn't mean nothing, right, I'm not g money off. So when you pour right poverty, reputation is everything because all you have is who you are, what people heard about you. And that exists across racial lines. But they don't have nothing. You read Outliers by by Malcolm Gladwell.

He talks about the honor code and the honor society that exists in the appellations to where these are poor white people who their last name is everything to them. You stand them in the eyes, they're gonna be they you're looking to do hard noyes and look what the funk you looking at? Half filling them of course, right, yeah, they're ready to get down right. So, and that exists

if you come, people talk about that ship. But if you come down and if you find yourself in a in a place like Dinner Springs or places like that, and Matt Rouge and white boys gonna fight you. They're gonna fight you. Like out here always say that are white people kind of know how to mind in California, they're not really trying to engage you. Remember the Boondocks And uh, he was like when he was trying to

get the white man into the nigga moment. White that's why people here that's not white people in the South. White people in the South is fully with the nigga moments. They will engage you in these nigga moments. And for some reason where you're from is like that. I don't know why the white people in Orange County is are you from with these crazy white people? Only a small little spot that's that. That's true. And um that's because um I grew up in Newport, Okay. So the area

where that would be true. Santa Anna, Santa kind of like you're gonna get to yea And they got their own kind of little things and they got a watergate, they got a real watergate. Crib gang. That's will knock your ship off or is that like Santa Sign Watergate? Watergate is a crib. DJ pulls from Watergate. I did not know that. I did not know that. J No, No, He's from Watergate in l A. So there the original Watergate started in l A. Right, So it's DJ pulls

from Watergate. Mike smull grew up in Watergate a couple of other people, but they started a branch in Santa Ana and m niggas is crazy. Shout out to my way deep Tanna, but damn Niggas is crazy. So it was like you saw the movie American History X. Of course,

Venice for a long long time. You can go around Venice and if you you know how to look at the bills, there's a couple of areas and you go, wow, this looks like a giant old refurbished section eight block and there's a huge one of the middle of vents. And Venice was was like the poor beach of l A County. Huntington Beach was that in Orange County. A lot of people moved up blue collar from the South and went over there, and it's just the it's just

where the lower white people down there lived. So if you got bounced out a county or state or whatever, and you were going to move back to your general area, that's where you could afford. Like my dad's two brothers, my grandpa lived over there after he had divorce and the disease and stuff, but they were pretty they both, you know, to strike guys, each of them and like, yeah, I mean there's there's there's active skin heads in the beast were they kind of got out and say priced out.

But it's not a big thing like it used to be. But it's yeah, it's a it's a blue collar mentality and guys who start doing ship and meth happened to whatever else. Then you know, you go, you get in trouble, you can come back. And some guy comes back and he's got a little bit of cloud at state and then everyone wants to be play tough guy and all that ship. I mean, prop poverty, you will bring it out of you. Man. Everybody talks about what they want do,

but you just don't. You don't know. And and I was saying this to him yesterday because he he made it like this revenge thing was just like this gang banger thing, and I'm like, bro, this country for example, right when nine eleven happens, right, and whatever this country is doing to push those people to feel like, yeah, we need to do something to really fuck America up. Let's let's say we're not even talking about that. Let's

focus on nine eleven itself. So once they came in and and ram those planes into those buildings, and they and they made they move and those people died, America could have said, hey, you know what, this is uncivilized behavior. We're not going to retaliate with you. We're gonna sit down with you. We're gonna have a meeting and we're gonna figure out how to come to some kind of agreement,

and we're gonna resolve this. We're gonna take that loss, and we're gonna let this loss represent how mankind should come together. And retaliation is not the answer. Funck, no, that's not what we're doing. We're gonna get right to it. Yeah, well, at that point, they so at that point, it's that's an interesting It's not poverty, and poverty is not Poverty is not the way in that situation. I mean, so

two things happened. Number one is they did that and then they did it wrong in a wrong headed way. They used it to justify the Iraq war, which Iraq didn't have anything to do with nine eleven, okay, Um, And it was easy to sell the thing because everybody was upset, but they didn't have anything to do with it. Uh. And so in that situation, when you're talking about geo politics, there is a level of well, we have to at least show to the world that we're the wrong motherfux

is to attack right, Oh, you feel right, right, right? Right, right right? So I see the point, um, to also be able to establish a respect level to come to the table with integrity. Yeah, they took a minute because because we there was negotiation and and and and paperwork done with Taliban in the last few years when it had to be but I mean at that and had

to be respected. Well, you had to, yeah at that point. Look, if if someone launches a preintive strike against you, which is essentially what uh what a terrorist action is, it's it just depends because there are lessons from history. Okay,

So there's a guy named Nevill Chamberlain. Um. Back in the days where Adolf Hitler was first making his remember that, Yeah, back with Adolf Hitler was first first making waves or whatever he was first gaining power, you proceeded Churchill, right, and so to Chamberlain decided that what they would do is that they would appease Hitler, that Hitler was gonna and they would do that, and then in some way

Hitler will stopped. Well, that didn't happen. What happened was once Hitler saw what he could take, he just decided that he would continue to take more. Right, you have to there's a line where appeasement of someone who has that type of ideology is not going to work. And that is that's the part of it that's precarious, right, that's the part of it to where you don't really

know until you're there. So the first thing that you probably do is you put something on somebody's ass and you show them what you can do to them, especially if you're the United States of America or you seven Street Watch or exactly right. And then after that, after there's been after there's been enough bloodshed, you say, Okay, how far do you do you how do you want this to go? Yeah? Yeah, how far do you want this to go? How much more this do you want? Right?

And then you're negotiating from a position of power then, which is what a country with the military power that the United States has always wants to do. But to your point that that's not a lot different than well, it's actually no different, because I would say that it was culturally learned, you know. And and that's my point, like it's that's not to say that the innocent bloodshed on either side of these things that you can explain

and eat that you you can't. Not eleven is a is a cowardly, dastardly, ridiculous act um, and so is a lot of the other stuff. Because there there, there's there's a cost in the community. Sometimes other people get hurt. And and this is what I'm This is what I try to tell people. You don't have to get jumped in to be from the hood. You're from the hood because you're from the hood. Like if you grew up

where I'm from. If we go play basketball at the park at Mono Park, that's another part with guys that grew up over there, we all come together, we co we walked to the park together. We're friends. I know your mom, your dad, fore me, I know your older brother that got killed. Feel me like I know everybody we're family, so we walked to the park. Their family, right. So when there's a situation, and usually people poor people tend to overreact because it's more emotional because it's always

a prideful matter. If you step on my shoes, it's a prideful matter. If you found me too hard to prideful matter because you don't have anything but pride. So pride is your most pride, your pride possession. It's like if you had a child and that's your pride possession and somebody you know might have spanked him and you went down and don't stand my child, know you you're overprotective of the most prized possession. So we go to

the park. And if two guys gets into it with one of your friends because he didn't grow up with them, well, I'm gonna stand up for my friend. You never had to get courted on for that. You don't have to whatever that means. You don't have to fight your friends and prove that you can stand up for yourself. You standing up for yourself. Once you go to this park and these guys are having a disagreement that tends to go too far, and you hold up y'all, not gonna

do my friend like this, that's a gang fight. And also to that point, you want to be able to move around where you at without people thinking they can do anything to you. And to two problemas dot that's the point of the song. The fear was, if I don't stand up for myself against this situation, people are going to think they can do anything to me. It compromises your economic base, it compromises your ability to be free.

It actually would mean more people because people would literally people look like when you don't have anything, you know, when you don't have anything to be prideful about, you know, when you have the bare minimums um, you tend to That's how bullies are formed because because your insecurities, so the places you're powerful at and you can flex your power, you tend to overdo it to bring a false sense

of security to who you are. So if some mighty thinks they can bully you, especially that's from where we're from, they will bully you because it brings a sense of security to them. They may be trying to impress somebody else to say, look, I did this to him, right. So when I was a kid, we're in Dallas and I don't know what I was doing, but everybody was because back then, like Michael Jackson videos would come on and they would announce him on the news, like after

this news broadcast. I remember that. We're gonna remember remember the time premiere the Ladies Michael Jackson video. This time it was it was the way you made me feel. And everybody was like there, and so I was in the front, like after were living in Dallas, and after you go to this place after school and your parents had come pick you up. So I was on the

other side of whatever this place was. This lady had her house where she kept kids or whatever, like it wasn't like a lady, was like a daycare thing kind of. And the video was coming on the eye so excited that I ran from the other side and I jumped on the chair, and then I ran across some tables to get to where everybody was watching the video, right and this lady's husband saw me running across the tables. You know, they had these big tables on top of

the tables, on top of the tables. Because I jumped, I jumped on the I stepped on the chair and then I ran on top of the tables. You know those tables with the they fold out and they got the brown top. When you sit there, you eat lunch and you eat your snacks and ship. So I ran across the tables and remember I saw him coming towards me, and I saw him going taking his belt, like going for his belt, and he took his belt off and

he whipped me. And so it wasn't like a bad whooping, like like you funked up you ran across the table. It wasn't a bad whooping, but I was like he whipped me. He was like to see your gys down there. And my mom comes to pick me up with my grandmother that day. My grandmother had been living in Dallas, and like I told her, I was like, yo, Mr Digs,

he whooped me. And my mother was like what and she was and she was like, I was like, yeah, like he just before they even told you, Like I ran on top of the tables and my grandmother, what the funk you doing running on top of tables. I was like, I was trying to see the Michael Jackson video, but I caught a whooping from this Digs And my mother didn't say anything. We get home chilling, maybe like hour hour or two. I was already getting I was

almost getting ready to go to bed. My dad comes in the door and I hear Terry come here, goes over there to my my My dad comes over. He's like what and then all of a sudden, my door flies open. My dad says, tell me exactly what happened, Like, exactly what happened? Ye, And I'm like, I was running on the tables and was like, what the fund? You running on tables for us? The same the whole thing. He's like, and Mr dis with me. He goes, I'm gonna come get you tomorrow, Chris, don't worry about it.

And my mother was like, oh Lord, and he was like, no, don't worry about it. I'm gonna get you tomorrow. Next day, that dad walks into place, so hey, let me talk to you for a second. Guy comes over. My dad takes his belt off and he whips his man in front of the entire day cancer he whips him. He takes his belt off and he whips him. And then

he he whipped a teacher. He whooped the dude with his belt and he sit and he when he stopped whipping he was when like he took his belt off, and he saw whooping the guy, and the guy wasn't and he was grabbing him. And he was like, don't you ever fucking put your hands on my motherfucking son ever again. You must be crazy out of your goddamn mind. And he was saying, and then and I'm standing there, and then my dad I never forget. My dad took his cowboy hat off. He and he threw the bell down.

He was like, now and to do sugar. He's like, now, what's up? What's up? I walked your grass in front of your whole family. What's up? What's up? You crazy? And the guy back down and so I get in the cool So we get in the car right and my dad was like, why didn't you fight him? I was like, I don't know if you know, but I'm seven years old. He was like, why wouldn't you fight a man other than your daddy that's trying to whoop you? He goes, what are you? I'm like, I don't know

he was. He was like, no, no, no, I'm your daddy. If somebody got a problem with you, they come through me. Any man that embarrasses like that, embarrasses you like that in front of all of those people. They take get something from you, and once they take it from it, you can't get it back. So do you know what sort of happening to me? After that? I started getting

fights everywhere you have Pop tripped down. Pops was tripping like he's like like he's like he wanted me to ask my bike back, and you know, right, he said, like I started getting in fights. My fight rate went through the roof because now I was like, every single interaction that I'm having, you just protected some false enerpride. He told me that you can't take nothing from me, and my dad did his best, you know what I mean, right, But every single interaction from me like you can't Now

I was like, oh, ship whatever, whatever. It really didn't stop. It really didn't stop til later on, until I was like I got into other things. You got smart, until I'm like, yo, I don't want to always be but all through elementary, middle school, all that stuff like that, I'm just fighting, fighting, fighting in the neighborhood. But then it just kind of it kind of went away because you know, you get your face lumped up and you gotta go back to school with that. You gotta stay

out and this I was just too angry. But what I'm telling you, I say all that to say this is to him not only was it important for him to protect his pride, but the entire world needed to know that his son wasn't the one that you was Glass. It's mass it's my son. It's my son. And to further that point, the weirdest thing to me is when adults like on Instagram right and their bio, they'll be like I am Caylan's and Kilani's mom, Like that's the

crowning achievement of your existence. Come on, I thought the same thing. Just being honest, being a parent is a big I ain't got no kids, but being a parent is a big deal though, right, it's like a big deal an accomplishment. Not really, it's not an accompolishment. It's not even at all. It's not you didn't do ship well. But it means not not that it's an accomplishment, but those people are basically saying that, like, this is the

greatest thing that's happened in my life. That's the most important. That's not being a being in charge or a parent who I don't have any kids, y'all tell me you'll both got kids. I don't have any. I'm undefeated, like Mayweather, it's motherfucker here. So but but so do you think though that maybe it's not the best were the three of us aren't the best people to talk about this because we are the best people to talk about this without question because we're not. We don't have kids, but

we but we have discretion. There you go there? But what what if though? Because they say, they say straight up and all of my homeboys have said this, that the moment you see the kid come out and you that you change, that is different that you can't have Like, no, y'all,

don't y'all think that's bullshit. Your priorities change, I'm sure, but that does not mean that somehow, like if having a kid became the greatest accomplishment in your life, Yeah, it's like celebrating a birthday scale Like if you're celebrating if the biggest thing in your year is your birthday, you you you made it another you didn't die for a year. That's a pretty local. But are you argue

against that? I argue that not dying for a whole year is a significant accomplishment, a smaller one that's a great point. Well, okay, getting a paycheck is a smaller accomplishment. Did you do that on top of not dying? Well, I'm saying, I'm saying to me, the one thing would imagine somebody who celebrated they gotta paycheck every week. A lot of people celebrate that by going off and sucking the paycheck off. But what I'm saying is not dying

exactly something. Life is actually something to be celebrated. No, life is the default setting. Life is a controlled experiment floor any we really celebrate being alive. We we but because I think we understand the travails and sort of the pitfalls that it's difficult to live an extra year. I knew a guy the fourteen. Sure I got friends like that. Not a throat cancer, you know what I mean? Like all the plants that you're like that most likely

you're not. That's an extreme outlier. I know it's not. It's an extreme outlier. But also if we started talking about the dudes that we know they got that passed away, I never get this. I could call my boy Gino right now, we were about and we sit down in his mama's kitchen and Gino goes man bro I just want to live, bro, Like I want to live because we had lost delv and we had lost Tempor, we had lost Jason. You just aren't really sizing up lost GT.

We lost all of these dudes and they got progressively worser the ways that these niggas was dying. It's like, man, I just want to live, bro, I just want to live. So the birthday, I do understanding. I understand the kids yet too, man, people parents, they care. But but I think I agree with Peter and I hat like I know he's white man, It's true, bro, Like that is

the yes, that is the default. That's the default setting, right, And I mean think about it, right, We're we're in such a dilemma, like our community, right, man, is in such a dilemma that a lot of parents their only goal is to get their kids to graduate high school. They have zero. There's there's a political expression called the soft depression of low expectations. That's what It's a very common political expression called the soft oppression of low expectations. Right.

I'm a big believer in that kind. So like you're like one kid, you know, like one kid graduates high schools, Like that's what you're supposed to do the other great kids graduates high school, it's a big deal. Well, but I but I'll tell you. I'll tell you the way I look at at life. Um, I don't really subscribe to that. And I'll tell you why. I think that. It's there are certain situations where things are just harder now, right, I think I think oftentimes we should stop celebrating the

struggle so much. I think that's wrong. But I do think that. Look, if you've overcome something, no matter what it was, right, so exactly think about this. You know what those same people that use those political arguments don't use them for Like if you go, if two guys join the army, right, one guy goes to Iraq, he survives Iraq, he comes back home. Right, you're veteran, everybody respects you. Another guy goes to Iraq, he survives, but he was captured by al Qaida, or not al Qaida,

because they weren't really around him. He was captured by Yeah, he was captured by is its insurgents whatever. He spent four months in captivity, you know, and then he comes out of all of that and he comes back. He's a hero. The reason why he was a hero. As a soldier, they expect haitian Is to survive, Right, That's what you want to do as a soldier. But the reason why he's a hero is because he went through so much more on top of that expectation to survive,

to survive. And John McCain, right, John McCain spent time at the Handle Hilton American Hero Trump like just like, just like John McCain spent time at the Handle Hilton whatever. So what I'm saying is that circumstances are always going to matter in life. They're always it's always gonna matter what it is that you've been through to get where

you're going. But but and I agree totally. I always think, Um, I think one of the most misconceptions of life is that you could create these systems that work for everybody. I think it's tough to have one system for everybody, whether it's education, whether it's the justice system. Any system for everybody is probably going to not really be good. It's like getting your car washed at a machine wash.

It's set for certain things like let's say, if you take um a camera through there, it's perfect for a two thousand and eighteen camera. But if I take my uh my, my f four fifty through there with the eight inch left with the wheels. It's not going to wash the top of the truck. If I take my my my Lamborghini through there, right, it's not going to wash the bottom in the wheels of the car. So the concept of like these these simple sets for everybody,

it doesn't take into account. And I think that's our problem, and I think that's as a whole. Are are problem as black people in America. It's the system is set for a camera, mh right, if your camera, it's perfect for you. But if you're anything else outside of a camera size, you know what I mean, you could be explored. It be all right, you could be a you know, accord,

you're fine. But if you're too low to the ground, if your car is too low to the ground, if you're if your truck is too high and lifted up, you'll never get the proper wash. So everything we need to readjust and everything should be a hand wash. But that goes against capitalism, right, Capitalism is all assembly on. Sure, the question is how bad of a wash job are you getting? Right? So the the I think equality or equity or two different terms there or whatever it is.

But they're close enough, they're close enough. I think it's based a wrong. It's based upon like how much better is their wash job than than yours? Is right, it's pine the sky to think that it's always gonna be. It doesn't work like that like that, right, there inherent biases that we all have. And maybe we'll get to a point in the future of humanity where those inherent biases dissipate, but probably not. But I think the root of that is capitalism, probably, but just at this point

real quick, yeah, I mean so. But what we can't do is have a car wash where one car goes through and gets completely cleaned, and another one goes through and nothing changes. We can all agree that that is wrong. The degree to which we can make things equal only comes from the trying. You just have to try. You just have to do. You just have to try. Like you, it makes no sense to talk about what it is that we can't do. We just have to go and

we have to try to do it. And so like right now, what we're looking at and look, it wasn't created to be equal. I want everyone should understand. If you understand what the framers, they never intended to have an equal society, and I'm not mad at that, right they that's not what they intended. They didn't, they didn't they You This the thing that's the most frustrating about all of this is all of this stuff is like spelled out, it's spelled out. They were arguing it over

they were arguing it over there. They were arguing over it then about how much the power that people should have. They did not trust the people to have a lot of right and and so things to that degree are are are working as they should. They also never thought that they would actually be people talking about the Second Amendment. Well, of course the Second Amendment is a is a big deal and a bashing of freedom. But they never thought

that slaves would have guns. If they thought that slaves would have guns, or the descendants of slaves would have guns, they probably wouldn't have been sucking around with that idea very much. So the question is, with the system that we have right now, how good can we get it? And the answer is, we don't know. We just know it could be. I just believe that it can be better than what it is right now. Well, I mean, we do have time constraints on that episode length. I

don't have enough time. There's like six bullets that that kind of all happened back to back to back to back to back in the meandering of the conversation. I think there's an issue insofar as like where where there we started a few minutes back about maybe a crisis between the macro and the micro A little bit is so far as like I look at any community to simply a lot of individuals with their own DNA and their own Social Security umber whatever they happened to be

defined by whatever categorical assessment you're blocking them into. But there's still it's still just the product of the individuals inside. So you talk about there, you know, the struggle that an entire entity as a collective whole sees and in doing so kind of turn a blind eye to like

the potential of each individual therein. And I think that that's a big problem, uh, to to look at everything only from the you know, five or five thousand foot you know, elevation, and when these schools are doing badly but all right, But at the same time, when you're at that school, hey, I gotta see I passed. Great news is not great news at a lot of other schools,

you know, and there's different reasons for that. But when the when the when the goal is like here, then everybody who's capable of achieving beyond that goal no reason, you know, So a lot of people aren't going to, so you sell short a lot of the individuals within that block. I think that's that's that's I would agree, that's a minute part. That's that's like a micro versus background. But I think that's a minute situation more than the majority. I agree, though, So let me ask you a question

to that point. I'll speak only for Black Americans. Is the situation of Black Americans in America right now? Is it intentional or is it on accident? Define situation and define intentional a little bit more clearly. Okay, So when I say situation, I mean whatever disparate circumstances. Yeah, the disparities both environmentally economically, from a social justice standpoint, from a wealth standpoint, let's just take wealth, n uh wealth.

The wealth gap between Black Americans and white Americans was at a certain point. It's barely moved now. So there's a situation that reflects that. As far as the experience of Black Americans here, um mass and calturation. Whatever it is. The entire Black experience in terms of equality, social equity, or econom to make equity in this country is that? And is was that? Is that intentional or is it an accident? It was just the way things shaped out. It's I would say it's a little bit of as

a founding father. From that perspective, it depends on interpretation of law to some extent. Like randomly, I we talked about lasting I'm I'm eight days from the Lorraine Hotel Museum Sweet last Saturday, and last night I hadn't sat down I listen to podcast about it. I read the full dissent argument by the minority Justice of dread Scott last night, which is an obsanely long document. Why did

I do that? So they're making in sequence these block arguments against that ruling, which is a terrible ruling, and it was eventually overturned, and you know, judicial precedent, jurch precedent was overlooked in the subsequent case. It was a good ruling in my opinion. There there's there's two elements to the system at play. There's probably the integrity of this system, and then there's the self interest of those involved. In it. Mhm. So I think it's a better legal argument.

The dissent argument. It's a it's a better crafted argument. Doesn't mean that to me. When you look at a system, especially be at a political, sistem economic system, whatever, everything looks great on paper, no matter how you doing. Communism loost great on paper, capitalism most great on paper. What best interacts with the realities of human behavior? And insofar as that goes, Like, for example, you brought up the year nine, which is a great year to bring up.

I personally am a big Thomas Soul economics fan, and he addresses trajectories and curves and rates of various input factors and various indicators in the black community from like nine, from eighteen seventy. But you know, especially we're talking about like nineteen hundred, let's say, yeah to sixty eight. So there are there are some deviations there. I mean, we're those curves go become a lot less vertical after that point in time. So you could say, well, which input

factor is it? Is it mass incarceration or is it um what do you call it? So social social welfare policy, I think if you talk a lot about like it depends on which aspect of the government system you're looking at and how you want to look at it. There's a lot of problems with regard to public education in their cities. However, there's a lot of paola between and self interest between politicians who oversee those and teachers units. And to answer that, I do think it's an accident.

I don't think so. I think everything has been an adjustment. Okay, it was never intended. It was always an adjustment. And then they keep making adjustments. And even though all the adjustments are bad and they're they're really slow. You're asking a dinosaur too, you know. The thing is it's such a dinosaur that it takes so much to move. And I was having this conversation and I don't want to get lost on that, but this is a perfect example.

And and this is like, you know, I'm good at quantifying the street ship to match the fourteen hundred dollar memes that's going on. Proble niggas are celebrating four hundred dollars, most expensive dollars of all time, four hundred dollars. Somebody had a picture of the the movie cover for Losing Isaiah and cross Our Isaiah and put fourteen hundred and then before so it says losing fourteen God, so I'm laughing at all these memes that all the hommies are sharing.

But what I realized was people are truly celebrating getting fourteen hundred dollars in Germany or in England. They're paying every month, right, And obviously we have E D D, we have some other things, but no, we have do they have a difference? Yeah. So, so here's the thing.

It's very difficult to take a full throated look in American history, or an unbiased look in American history and come away with any other conclusion than that the place of Black Americans in this country is almost completely intentional. Because then because and I'll tell you why, it's tough, because we're not talking about things that have to be interpreted. We've talked, we're talking about so with slavery and intentional act absolutely without a doubt. But but but I don't

think but it was racially motivating. Well, so here, I don't think it was because it was black people. I think it happened so to So here's the deal. That's actually untrue. So it the mode, the motive for slavery in the history of the world has just to do

with power and economics. Right. However, the concept of race blackness was invented for the purpose of slavery, like it was in this is We're we're talking about popes involved and people like child and there was African people were such an economic boom two places that had slavery that keeping those people as less than as something other than human was important to keep the money coming in. Right,

But would you not agree that it started? Because okay, because where could you buy white slaves for as long well not as not as long as there there's been slavery every every every different place, every kind and every every place has had slavery. So but my point is this though, So whether or not it was racially motivated or not in its essence though, But but what I'm saying is whether or not it was racially motive motivated or not, it was on purpose. Okay, first slave, let

me find another person they did this? Okay? Was Jim Crow an intentional act? Hands down? Why? Because? Now? But because? But is it is it intentional? At this point? Because it's very It's intentional for one reason. It's it's intentional because there were generations of people that saw black Americans as less than them, and they decided for whatever reason, that they didn't want to share their society with them. Okay, so coming agree with that statement. Okay, tell me why

do you think Jim Crow happened. Jim Crow happened because one party that had power at the time and had the ability to write those laws down was going to get run the funk out of office, so they put up barriers of entry from losing their power and a bipartisan Okay, so let me ask you this, then, why didn't they court those people as potential voters to their party? Mm hmm. Couldn't be done because the other party had just that. It's not that it couldn't be it not.

It's not that it couldn't be done, is that they didn't want to do it. So Van, that's a great point. No, No, it's it's a it's a it's a fantastic point because but but if you started courting at that time, how long does it take to so you had so listen the other party, right has It's like now they're fighting for you to be free. Right, So here's the thing campaign contributions. So here's the thing. It's uncontroversial that there was rampant racism in the Old South, right, some controversial.

Jim Crow was definitely a political act, for sure, without a doubt, Jim Crow was a political act. And you saw people come out of Reconstruction, people like PBS pinch Back that showed that there could be uh black politicians or black people that rolls up in the politic cool ranks. The reality of this is everything that we're talking about. Let's forget about if we're let's let's let's back off the set the subject that it has to do with racism. Right. Let me let's let's say that I grant you that

I don't in any way think that that's true. But let's say I grant you that what I'm telling you is that they're still an intentionality to this that is being focused on one group. Right, And let's move past that, Let's move into let's move into the next century. Right, the Reconstruction takes us out of one century into the next century. Let's look at places where Black Americans were able to kind of consolidate wealth. Let's look at places

where Black Americans were able to actually build that wealth. Right, Let's look at these places and see what happened to them. Then beyond that, let's look at rentlining. Okay, let's look at all of these things that are done in an intentional way, Okay, to affect a specific community. Now, I'm not painting the picture of a boogeyman. I'm like when I when I'm what I'm telling you is that I think we I think we Black Americans in this country

have filled a servant class for a long time. But it's because in masses they started off that way, right, what it was. My point is this, though, My point is it didn't just happen this way. It was on purpose.

But but and and for and for what I'm saying, so and to a degree, to a degree, even crack was on purpose, Okay, So so and even when you look at when you look at the introduction of crack into neighborhoods, and when you look at that, the people that were targeted in order to bring in order to make that happen were the same people that are expendable

in American society. So I think that the the my issue with this is we stand back and we look at sort of uh, we stand back and we look at hundreds of years of intentionality, right, hundreds of years intentional because you know what else would have been an intentional act, let's say slavery is over. An intentional act would have been reparations. An intentional act would have been an intentional act would have said, hey, look, you guys

have been doing hundreds of years of free labor. We want you to be full participants in the American system at the same time that we're giving away millions of acres of land once again, millions of late acres of land and giving all of the resources to two peasants, basically all the resources under there to those people. At the same time, we're giving millions away acres of land. And that's not to say that there were black people

that didn't participate, the homes were. But what we should do is gift you guys with something to give you a Legosly was that not done. The opposite was done. They limited it your Americans, and so building upon that, I think it's not just I think it's it's almost it's mh. It goes without saying that there will be

disparities and communities like that exists now. So it was the grandest plan, not even the grandest plan it's the way things shook out, right, but it's the way things shook out in a very intentional way, right, in a very intentional way. Now what happens is okay, so we're in a better place where we were. Then people go all right, step back, black people, fix it, fix it,

fix it. Look at all these people making all of these individual decisions in this community, right, this community that they live in, that's a food desert that has a freeway running over the top of it. So people even have to drive through and see how people are living in this community where they live in that have that have this entire set of circumstances. I never thought about that,

and and this entire set of circumstances. You can live in l A. Your the one tin takes you from downtown oh five what oh five, which you pass, don't even have to before that, you had to see wats you had to see if you're driving down Imperial. And they tried to say they built the freeway because people were getting robbed. But it's the best way to the reason. I'm damn, I never thought about that, bro. You just turn something on. That's what they don't like about hip

hop shows. You it exposes what's really going on where we're from. They do a Historically, they've done a great job at hiding it. I brought a kid from Coaster, Mason, Right. He wanted to go to the projects. He his dad on the club and he ran the club. Right. It was no, but think about it, though, think about it. If you've only heard about places in rap songs, you ought to think about hip hopping it. Me and Van go back and forth. We always disagree about this, right,

and always tell him it's the upside down. Did you cut the top off of one of those vans? No? Bro? But look, he books me for a show. I do the show and we're chopping up and he's a cooler young dude. He's he's a youngster. He's twenty one at the time. I'm about twenty nine. And he's like, yeah, man, I heard about watch Man. You know I'll love it. Go see it. I'm like, you want to go to watch me? Like yeah. I was like, all right, I come pick you up and I'll show you. So this

is somewhere he's never been. Monu is like twenty minutes away, right, So I take him to Watts, Right, I take him to the neighborhood. I take him to the Pj's, I take him to Hawkins and let him eat. He's just looking and you could tell he never saw that much poverty in his life. I mean, it's hard to look at who I want to look at it. Right. It's also freeways of built, some people can get around more efficiently.

But but but but my point is, but I say that just and and that's important because everything that we know, why has a positive spin on it? Sure political, sure, sure, And so the only thing that I would the only thing I'm saying is this. It's it's no doubt about the fact to me right now that if Black Americans are to change their circumstances in America, that's why the that's why I'm not on the white ally train, um

is because it's not that I don't want allies. Anybody should want allies, And anything that you're trying to do is just that for me, Um, it's more important that we know what it is that we need to do. It's not even about it's you're more equipped to hit a goal when you know what it is that you're up against or where you know you have this kind of right type of gang bang around where the homies wanted to click up. Whether I'll be like nab Bro right,

Let's let's establish who we are culturally. Let's focus on our own situation before we just take on allies. Because when you take on allies, you also take on enemies. You take on adjustments to way of life, and you don't have yours. No gang. It could be a gang as big as the role of sixties right with Uncle them. It could be a gang as big as uh the

Angle with families munching them. Nobody has a true cultural identity in these places, like especially the bigger gangs, like the guys that's you know across Crenshaw are one way. When you know, when you're talk about coming up slassing, the guys were uncondems from you know, the Front down Western They're one way. The a g guys are a little bit like the Front guys, the guys off Arlington. Then you get into the ass. Those guys have a

community that's based and create their culture. It's not too crazy, but it is different. And then once you cross chris Shaw and you start getting over the bron Hurst and streets culturally, and then the over hills back there where you've been there. Uh, simply wholesome. Those guys are different. So I would pump to my homies like, bro, like, we don't need to take on allies, we don't need clicks. And my big homie had a great point from a social status. He was like, yeah, but we need to

we need to colonize. He didn't say these words. That's when it came to we need to colonize other gangs so that our legacy doesn't dwind off. And I told him, what good is creating a colonize of something that isn't stable in the first place. You're just creating chaos all over. Define out of stone what it is, then you could take it somewhere else. But if you don't have an agreement of what it is, just here and you go colon you're creating chaos all over. And what you're gonna

do is create hell. You're not creating a heaven or even beneficial situation for no other human being. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I mean basically it's it. Human nature is a part of this, obviously, it's a it. It's interesting because to a degree, a lot of these things in the grandest scheme of things. They they're not going to matter. Like black people have been trying to convince America to repair its community. You you broke the community,

now fixing we've been trying to do that. Borrow your fucking car is Yeah, it's like it's like they've been trying to do that for a long time. I think what has happened now is forget about, uh repairing the system right now. I think that Americans have to decide whether or not they want to build a new system, and it do only the real The thing that's changing this is the Internet, because the Internet allows shared experiences

in a way that didn't happen before. So there are a lot of groups that thought they only had on both sides of it. By the way, there are a lot of groups that thought they only had these specific problems. But now everybody's starting to see that they're common threads there. And the question is like, how do we build a better America? And the reality is that we build a better America with capitalization, with capitalizing as much as we can on the talent and the skill set of individual

American citizens. Right, America suffers when specific communities don't do as well. It doesn't feel like they suffer, right, but they do. America suffers when there's like having a broke home. It's a bunch of rich niggas together and you got these three broken niggas as always exactly incoming the way that we have it right now. I think the his question on the table of I mean, like, look at the general perception of like the rich white Republican guys.

He wants his money and f you. But that guy doesn't want to pay taxes, He doesn't want to pay into social programs. He would love a ten percent increase in the GDP by greater overall efficiency of the economy or greater interpretation or participation within the economy. The biggest question on the table in reality and from a number standpoint, like financially is what is the startup cost for this venture? How do we pay it? Can we afford to pay it? And when do we afford? And when can we afford

to pay It's it's that kind of question, what what what? What? Which vitra we're talking about? Oh No, I don't think. I don't think it's I don't I think the if you were asked me, there are people that are way you know, there are people that are way better versed. In terms of those I don't even think about that, And in terms of that, I don't think about what America needs to pay to. There are people that are looking into that and studying that, and they'll probably have

numbers and facts right right, right, um. And so for for me, I think the questions that I'm asking is the things that I'm trying to build. The apparatus is the stuff that I'm trying to do for my community. I think it's fair to ask mainstream America just to stay out of my way because I'm to the point now to where uh uh, everything is weaponized. My vote is weaponized, my opinion is weaponized, my participation is weaponized. It's all a weapon. So I vote for you because

you say you're going to do something. These things might be like, for example, the George Floyd Policing Act. Right, I voted for a group who said that they would get that across. They might have the votes to do it, they might not. We'll see what happens, but they're there are substence of things that I want to see come out of the administration, right, and if not, I look for somebody else to vote for there's no more allegiance or loyalty culturally to to to anything outside of us.

What exists inside of us is getting ship done. That's what should exist well for the people, for the people that I've called used to find a robust individualism and an anti uh what what's the word? Um my government? Getting the obstructionist a non obstructionist perspective which kind of falls to the individuals within the whole kind of perspective at least for you as an individual, get out of my way and stop like the reddest red nick in America. Right.

But what what I'm saying is that that why when you think about it, when when when Malcolm X god with uh George Rockwell, yeah, it's because their visions were the same. See. But my point is, though, is that I'm using cultural solidarity to build that and the cultural solidarity that I'm building has to be from an understanding of the the historical context of American oppression. Right, So I have to tell so the history of the country

is always important. The only time American history isn't important is when it comes to black people. So everything else is never forget, never forget Pearl Harbor, never forget non in levels. Never forget that. But hey, slavery, move on,

you know what I mean, Jim Crow, move on. Moving past nailing was like it was no, no, and so so the reality, the reality is that the reason why I'm looking at those communities is because fixing those communities, to me, doesn't have anything to do with pretending that because they want to be Yeah, you know you know what money is. You're speaking my language. I've said consistently, if me, Jay Rock Tyree's Cam, Um, a couple of us about the Watts, if we focused on just what's

we could fix it. We could repair what's been fractured in our community. Um, that type of blueprint shared with all these different communities you know North Compton, South Compton, or West Compton, East Compton, you know the different sectors of bad rouge. You can create all of these situations. But um, I've been preaching that for a while. True. I mean, the reality is the first thing is I mean, like any place that's not functioning, WHI it's the right.

The first thing you want to do is leave a place. And I hate that people act like I wrapped. I told him I never wrapped to get out of the hood. Like if I wanted to get out here, I just got out of the hood, I said, I wrapped to express what was happening there. This is something just something that irritaates me with me when he sometimes he talks like that, he'd be like, yeah, you know, the first goal is get out the hood. No it's not. Well

it it It makes sense that it is. But the reality is that those places and that's why you work in the places that you. I mean, you can move to somebody else, but you to somewhere else, you still have to be connected. We should really concentrate on making those places beautiful. I can tell you what right now, when the corporate money comes in, they make them beautiful. That's that's a philosophical problem. That's a a beef that I have as an outside. It's not like beef, but

it's like an I wish that wasn't the perspective. You know that you have to leave knowing that you somehow are anchored or tied by identity to this particular piece of geography. Like my two generations ago, my family was all Compton, Lynnwood, south Gate, Huntington Park, all of them. They got some money and they went, let's go someplace nicer, And that was most of my friend's grandparents the same thing. And it frustrates me as like I don't like an

external advocate or whatever of your guy's community. Ever you want to describe me external advocate, like I hired outside and volunteer outside consultants as an externalsop as a as an external advocate. But you but I'm saying like that to say this, like you don't see like for example, like I mean, bat and Ruge just a lot like Memphis is a lot, like New Orleans is a lot, like Birmingham. You know a lot of those places. I

don't understand why it's been a lot of them. He so he only days sisters, But have you been the baton rouge? Not been a baton rouge? But I know people who have understand so they let me so. But when but you have to ask him what you mean when he said, because I've been about you got to ask you what you mean when he said, They're like when you say that, like whe They're like, what do

you mean? They are aliking that they have a disproportionately relative to the overall national average minority community and they are not economically thriving year in and year out at the level that other metropolitans are. So the reason why I pushed back on that is because if you were, if you were from South bad Rouge, you don't understand why it's so important to me. And by the way, that's not a foreign thing. No, it's it's not, it's not it's it's like, that's that's not a foreign thing.

We're like that. People are like that about America. Understand that. Damn people like people like this ain't other countries like people are. There was a British guy on on Twitter a couple of a couple of weeks ago last week that got his ass tore up because he said something about there's there's a there's nothing that America does better

than Britain, and all the Americans got mad. If you're from America, you have you're connected to it, you have this false this is some pride, really and so and so and so for me, it's like, it's not for it, it's not for it's as like the people there, if for no other reason than I know what they need and I don't, right, But the reason why I don't live there is because my industry doesn't exist there, but it's incredibly important to me that he creates the industry there,

that I create not only create that industry there, but that my presence back at home it still felt that people can still feel proud, that he's feel proud, and not only that that we're consistently shout Gary Chambers for Gary Chambers for Congress, Go don't they vote to Gary Chambers. I wasn't trying to like call you out. I'm I'm with you, But what I'm saying is it's just it's very important for me to be tapped in because there are people that need my help, and I like your approach.

I don't I wonder at some point when there's a diminishing returns. You know now that you could draw it out mathematically, but you understand like when you're staying to your own detriment for the purpose of staying. But who is that really helping? But this is or is it help? Or is it are you helping the most? But there's no detriment. See. The issue is that we confuse that staying where we're from is a detriment. It hand be. No, it's not. It's only a benefit. Do people that live

in Beverly Hills, move out of Beverly Hills depends. Come on, people don't people don't have a problem with Beverly Hills. But soon. So the reality is that they live in up they like they people people that live in Brentwood, people that live in Brentwood, people in the community. They they're part of a community there and it's very important to them. And so the reality is that most people from Beverly Hills aren't from Beverly Hills. The point but but that but no, no, not hard. But they get

there and the longest they can stay. It's actually not a good point because the reality is that there are two types of Beverly Hills. People from Beverly Hills. They're people like anywhere else. There are people that move to Beverly Hills. And then they're people that have been living there for a long time. There's people that are hill there.

There are people that there are people that are millionaires now simply because they bought homes in the neighborhood where the property value went up over the last six years. Second so so what so, what I'm saying is that to me, what I look at, the first thing I look at is fixing communities. And the question is how do we do that. There's not a place that exists right now that cannot be beautiful, right so period like so so how look what they did the palace Verds.

That's a landfill, right beautiful? So how do we make our communities beautiful? Did you know that? Though I did not know that palace or it's my favorite place in l A, it's my it was, it was my go look it up. It's crazy, blew me away because I used to always. I always used to drive over there and my mom was like, well, you know that used to be a landfill. But I know that I used

to be inspired by. But I agree with you. But the point, Peter is it's never to my detriment when I'm in Watts because the problem is I am not in Watts. That's the problem. If I was in Watts, I could do nothing but uplifted don't mean, don't me wrong. I couldn't be the old Glasses doing Old Glasses ship and uplifted. But this version Glasses four point oh is a lot different for me. So if I'm now, if I'm actively participating in the same bullshit I was actively

participating in that could be to my detriment. But the stuff that you are able to do outside of Watts is greater than the stuff you're able to do inside of WATTS. Same thing, I do, the same thing. There was nothing I canna do. Well. I personally think that, Look, I think that let's speak to my I don't think that my community is too far gone for it to be a better place, right And I think that once

it is, you'll see better outcomes. And you have a better community, you have better school, you have better housing, you have a better diet, you have all of these things. Now, a lot of these things take making hard decisions, and they take putting people over profit, or they take putting people um which is different, which is which is a difficult thing to do. Right back to those hand car washing especially, yeah, especially if we live in an age

of hyper capitalism. Hyper yeah, right, Well, it's like like n f T S bro make money, money, money, money, money, mony, money, offer me nothing for anybody else. And even American society in and of itself wasn't always that way. Capitalism always existed, but there was a point in our in our history where the American worker matic And these are things that don't have. These are things that are raceless, like these are things that you see skeletons of cities. That's what

Trump was setting. Well he was he he was selling it, but not really in any real way because it's it's in theory. As a mass, it's almost an impossible place to move back towards. Well, it depends you. You have to make some decisions. If you you can't, you probably couldn't. You probably couldn't as a mass. Yeah, but you know the idea of it, Yeah, it just it, it depends.

It depends on what everybody's once again, what everybody's priorities are, and if the if the priorities, Look, if the priorities are to make as much money, and that's what the corporation is, the priorities making as much money as humanly possible, then yeah, you you're gonna move your your base of operations, your factories too. But they're all transactional. How so, what do you mean, Well, how does a corporation get money? I know, I know what that means, but what do

you mean by that though? I mean, for example, like in the context of the American worker, the American worker gets compromised by the international worker in the international marketplace. The person who benefits the most from that appears to be the guy at the top, the person who also bet. The people who benefit the most of that in mass are the consumers who can get that at a much lower price. But but that's true. But if they're just drinking.

But if the but if their jobs they need right so so, but their job doesn't necessarily disappear like you might have your job in this sector might be still holding. But that happens in another sector. But she was the consumer can consume this, so now your job here is better than it was last week. But America, the mass is on the assembly line, So my thing is the only The only arguments against what you're saying are Ohio

and Detroit, specially Pittsburgh and even Compton. The only especially the only arguments to what you're saying are are ghost towns. And also the fact that as the one percent is gained more wealth in this country, wages for the average

and average American have largely state stagnant. So there's there's economic evidence to say that being able to consume something for a lower price it's not advantageous to people who can't work, and by the way, as healthcare has become it becomes a necessity, right, you have to have it priced it don't nobody got no fucking money, right and so and so what and what I'm saying is is it's look, it's gonna happen. There, there's a we're getting

towards we're getting to a tipping point. Well, we're getting to a tipping point where we're gonna have to like take off this look at our society and decide kind of what it is that that we wanted to be. And this look, I don't own any big corporations. I don't have any problem with anybody getting money like I don't. I don't have any problems with anybody getting money. I do. But my thing is this, though this is going too far.

It's it's becoming flagrant and obvious that we can't continue this way that we we we we just we we just we can't continue this way. And there these are these are not their indicators of Look, the best thing that Trump was able to do was to get poor and working class whites to buy into the act that they're not the ones getting fucked as well, because they are. I was the first time they realized it, like because because they definitely are. They definitely are. It's back to

the same poor people. He's to that same conversation. But but I think Pete is it's huh. Culturally, it's just a connection. Um, I was gonna thrive no matter where I was. Person You're acceptionable. Same for a van. It's a it's some of us i Q high even when I took the combinations from right, but I could have did the same thing there. I couldn't do the same thing that and it actually can mean more. I mean, now, why ain't what he used to be? Like we already

lost that fight. We love us and in two thousands, you know, in the lake before this last decade, like I think nine or ten when they sold the projects and gentrification set in. So we behind a ball, right, So it's it's it's pretty much a sover. It's a matter of time for the move. I think it's about of there. But there's a sense in us where we have to help our people, like we know why we have the i Q. That's the tricky part. When you know you've been blessed with it, you know it's because

you're supposed to. You might start off with confusion. But eventually, if you keep your sanity, if you keep your health, you'll start realizing it's for other people and the people that can't help themselves for sure. So it's it's a it's a tricky thing, do you know. It's something you mentioned earlier. You said something about the C students, right, m it's really bad to be a C student for for a while, I'm from It's not, no, I know that, right, Yeah,

that's my point. Right, Well, because George Buss was a student president and so like what and so an animalous statistically irrelevant? Well, no, I would say that. I would. I would say I would say it's not statically statistically irrelevant because the president, the next white guy that came after George Bush got a million dollar a heads start from his father. I would say that the guy that George Bush ran against Al Gore, I'd say, Okay, well

what was his dad? You know what I mean. I'd say that you can go it's not stacifically irrelevant among president No, spacifically irrelevant from a data set among thifty million people. Well, I'm telling you that amongst the presidents that we're talking about, or anybody that's in that situation. The I got out of the mud, I started back. I'm from Longa Linda Richard Nixon sort of situation, or Barack Obama situation, or even from California. He's from Yorba Linda.

Excuse me. So when I'm like, what, like, what I'm telling you is that there's their disparities there that play into that. Right, So you know, George Bush is George bus becomes president more because his ancestors are on the Mayflower, unless because he's exceptional in any way, right, and so most presidents are not exceptional. Politics is a luxury. Well, the black one was. The Black one was hyper exceptional

in every way. I said, most except president. But it's it's it's a it's a sport for the for of luxury, you know, and especially people like the highest DOQ people. I've never thought about that, that that that most guys they all come from my beligu not but but but

there's two proms to that. Not only is it a sport of luxury, it's a sport of luxury for the incompetent, because the hyper competent with the hyper means are the ones who are going to channel that energy into a personal endeavor in their early twenties and go start IBM or go make a bazillion dollars doing this or doing that. Why that's why, Well, what I mean, well, that's true, that's true to a degree, but it's also also people craft you to be what it is they need you

to be. But I but I'd say this, I'd say that what we're talking about not just in no situations, but we're talking about other places that are the seat of American power, right, and there are very few people that created all of these companies that we're talking about

that came from nothing. We watched that show, I was watching it last night, The Food that Made America right when you turn her, she talked about all of these guys right, well her, she was the only one that really a couple of them had what what I'm telling

you is this. So what I'm saying is like you have an idea, right, it's eighteen seventy five or your your you want to start out, you to make a company, or it's nineteen hundred, you want to do this, right, all of those guys did what glasses stole the ideas. They stole the ideas. But when they stole the ideas. What did they do? They went got loans. Now, let me ask you a question if they almost always the lines got along when he shouldn't have been able to

even they got loans. Let me ask you a question. If you're a black man and you even catch up and or not invent cash up where you come up with ketchup, but you come up with chocolate. You do something like that in I need to go to a bank to get a loan to find at you in eight can you