Conversation with a Cholo

voice saying dumbest stupidity for thirty minutes. Cool. But if the a C is on in the background, we're stopping it. Um, why do you feel? What's the slight on? You feel? Being a cholo is because me and you always burial stereotypers, You feel me, I think, Um. The the general understanding of rollo is very Hollywood, very movie, very you know, like a crip. I guess you know, because I'm not

familiar how I don't don't. I don't know if you don't know how people think crip sposed well, because you know, I know real crips. I've been in real cripals at the point. You know, real Tolos, So it's just different from me. I guess I hold it a little bit different because I am a trolo so to speak, right, you know, by by origin and all that. But um, yeah, you know the the image of trollo. Have you ever seen the movie Cobra? Anybody remember that movie Cobra was

the Western saloon. Well there, there there's an image there. There's a part in that movie where he pulls up on the beach and there's some trollos there and he like rips his fucking uh his tank top off of him and he slaps him and takes a cigarette and smokes it. And that's kind of like the generalization of

nobody would portray totals, so to speak. You feel, I'm say, no, no, nobody. Actually, when people think of Tolos and films, they're gonna think of American Me or Bloody and blood Out and Worst and Worst Time. Those movies are are are not completely on of what the trollo really is. But that's I mean, that's like Colors. Rocket is not really a crip. What I mean, I meant turned through crips like Rocket though,

who play Rocket Dog? Oh but I'm saying they don't act like don Cheeto, No, but I mean that they're they're moving like that for sure. So you mean to tell me you feel like they're hanging on crips. You feel like crips have the correct representation in Hollywood, but not Chelos. I think I think that moment in time they did, for sure. But you know what, at that moment in time, I think they portrayed Torolos accurate at the same time exactly, That's what I'm saying. But but

you know current day, they don't. They still portray them at that at that so what I'm saying, that's what I'm saying, Like there's no evolution of the son is in here doing That's my biggest thing. Whenever they never televised the elevation of the crolo or the or the the fucking what do you call? But do you feel that's the evolution of the crolo? But you don't think that's I don't know if that's evolution. Why. I mean, go to East La and you'll see the evolution of

the trollo really is. Yeah, what is just just for the audience sake, yuah, what's sterence between a clo, a Latino, a Chicano some of that, And how has the trolo evolved in the last thirty five years? First off, by by by origin, right, the trollo is a Chicano thing. Yeah, and the chicano is a is a Mexican American. Okay, so you have to be born here to be a Chicano if you're Mexican. Latino is it's a representation of

anything Laddin, so that could be Salvadorians, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans. Still, do you like the term Latin Latin stupid? Exactly? Yeah? Do you like the term Latin X or is Latin X kind of stupid? No, I'm a Chicano. I'm not no Latin. That's that you know that A little to walk, a little too walk for this for this student. Yeah, No, I'm not gonna do that at all. I'm not doing that. We're not gonna do that. I don't know. I don't know where that came with l M bro, We're gonna

leave them right, don't make me go. They're gonna fuck gay ladies go whoop your Yeah, you know they're after me. Man, he'd be talking about b l A. I mean gay lady lady likes one gonna squab you up, Bro, I'm just look like, bro, look, I speak on it because it's you know, they're coming in under the cover of social issues for black people, like they're representing them type of issues when they're not. You know, they're not here

for the betterment of that community. They're here for their own agenda to push homosexuality and all that other stuff and really like the the masculinity of society and all. Honestly, if you really want to bust it down from like it, what's going on right now? You feel what I'm saying, like and that's bad. I'm not going to disagree with the word of that political football content. I'm not against it. How would you then, ductors defies, Let me ask you something.

Are you comfortable with your son going to school learning about you know, men kissing and I'm not having kids. I'm just saying or that's why I'm not having it. There's no politically correct like keep it real, bro, That's why I'm not having it. The problem with society now is we can't keep it real. Nobody wants to talk about I'm keeping room. I'm keeping it real. I don't want everybody wants to go to heaven. You know they're

talking about you know what a theby isby? That's a phrase that they're they're trying to make that is that calling the baby? It's a theby? You know why? Because it's waiting for it to grow up and decide what gender. It is fascinating. People don't kill you dig me how many years? Maybe some people decide that what they are sooner than others. I don't know so so the way I feel about it all that's why I don't want to have children. Okay, the world that's going on today,

it's a little too complex. I don't got enough energy to explain to another human being what's going on. And I couldn't rationalize it, honestly, See, I would expect glasses to say, you know, that's why I'm standing up and I'm letting anybody know the day on some function. But he's he's about now. He's saying, you know, I'm gonna far back. I ain't gonna get involved. No, I'm motherucker's gotta get involved. Motherfucker's gotta talk about this ship they

gotta raise, how about it? I'm not I'm listening so the way I feel about listen, Um, I just literally agree with your debate. I'm saying the world has gotten so complex, I don't want to have children. I feel that that's so to your point, well hold on, but see that's that's the effect of this whole fucking weird old society that we live in. It's making people not even want to have children. That's true. A one point six per two. You feel me not wanting to not

wanting to see himself and and to come up. You did, like, that's crazy to take it even a step further. You grew up in the eighties and nineties and Watts, and you don't want your kid to grow up in the suburbs in this social environment. That's a statement. WATS is easy relative to uh, Watts is easier than woke right now, Woke. I like that. I wish WATTS is definitely one can't be easy to navigate through. Once you've been there for me, Yeah, like I can navigate. If I could raise a kid

and Watson, he'll be fine. You can get on the green line and go to elsegon to two seconds. You can't leave woke crowd. Woke chases you down. You have a thousand people. So as far as Black Lives Matter, I just think it's some pussy ship please, you know, so I'm just being honest. I just think you genuinely. But but but for a different reason, right. Um, I don't like to tell somebody, hey, you know what, the way you're treating me is bad. Um, you please stop

treating me this way. Uh. I don't like Black Lives Matter because it's like put out your phone and record what's going on. Like I'm more black power. Like if I see an injustice, I'm gonna risk my life to save the brother. But see, that's the thing. They're not even in the business of doing that. Well. I mean again, their business is a whole different conversation obviously, you know what I mean. I mean they got a grip of stuff incorporated, you know, not for profit. George Seyles funded

them a million dollars. That's not a conspiracy theory. I've heard that before, so THATSCT. No, it's on the books. I mean most small yeah, that's probably smaller most nonprofits are funded. I mean, think about it right now. Um, Colin Kaepernick is funded by Nike, and that's the same people that's fund in the nfl H. I mean, so again, I don't really buy into any of these movements. Um, I for sure, Like so capp Is, I think his point is he's trying to do the right thing right.

That's where I'm focused at right, And and his old ladiness is the home girl. I know they're trying to do the right thing. But nobody that come up where we come up will be trying to teach kids rights. The police are ignoring your right to live. The last thing you needed to be doing is arguing some fucking civil or or or criminal matters with the motherfucking person paid to try to keep peace. That's something you explain

in court. So it definitely bothers me that certain people like that who don't who may don't have the vested interests, or whoever is around him explaining to them what should be happening. It's like I tell sticks all the time, like, don't go teach a bunch of poor people financial literacy. Let's figure out how to create industry around these poor people. And then as they're making money, we can teach them financial literacy. But how are you gonna tell the motherfucker

that can't pay rent how to save money? That might be a little distracting to try to you know, I need to remember these lessons on how to save money. Mean, while I can't pay the rent some money, you know what I'm saying. So I think there's a lot of chicken and a conversations where I think they're only like that because people not from where we're from. I just feel like, I feel like because I am older, No right, I feel like because I've I've been through so many

things in my life. I'm I'm even though I am a cholo, like I'm pretty well rounded this ship. Like wat are you saying the Crip can't be well around it? No? But you know most people student, you know what I'm saying. But I have I have Native American friends. I have Crip friends. You might see me with just one day, you see me with some cripts, and so you know, I I because of the type of experiences I've had

with all these different types of people. Sometimes maybe I feel like I have a past to speak on certain things, and I want to speak on certain things because it's just not going the way. You know, that's not the right way. So, um, I did it a little backlash for speaking on bl M because a lot of people immediately want to accumulate it it as it to being a racist thing because I'm a Mexican guy and I'm

talking about these things. But you can. But but at the same time, like I speak on it because I I understand it, Like I've been in the in the streets, I know what's going on here. You know collusion when you see it. You know collusion when you see it, you feel me it's grazy as fun. I feel what I'm saying. I don't know. One day, I'm gonna sit down and talk to the people. Um. I obviously anybody that's thinking would have a question about it. I mean

anything that individualized. I guess that's how they feel progress is gonna be made. But I didn't you know what I mean, I don't. I didn't even get you here to talk about that. What I think. I wanted to focus on that because because we always do what we do. Yeah, period, Um, what do you think? So again back to the point of TOLO, like evolution, Like what do you feel it's

evolved into? Um, that's an interesting question. Is I don't know if evolution is the correct word, Like I think and well, it has evolved we just I don't think evolved is the right word. I think it's starting to blend, right, is where it's not being cultured at all. Well, I think that's the evolution of it all blending. No, I mean, I don't assimilating. I mean to some degree, but it's as simulation evolution, yeah, because it's it's stepping into something

that it wasn't before. I mean, evolution, evolution is built on the preserve life. Well, let me ask you this, Well, at this point, it's gonna be kind of hard to keep the evolution of the cholo conventional because it's just not like that in l A. No more that the lines are being crossed constantly. There's no more show me a predominant show me a black neighborhood, all black people, all black businesses, all black everything. I don't know if

there's ever been there before. You feel what I'm saying to me. But no, no, no, that's not true because many many majority zip codes. That's not true. You know why, because I think at a certain time in Watts it might have been exactly like that almost maybe aside from the actual business from nobody predominantly black and Watson and

Compton at one point, but now it's what Mexicans black. Okay, so even more so, how why you understand that the evolution is like you're saying, it's starting a becoming connecting to something totally different because the influence is there. Well, I don't know if that's I think that's going mainstream.

So it's like we all talk about hip hop, right, our jobs and hip hop is cultural, Like our job is to supply culture the greatest people supply culture that has no representation, right the Snoop Dog is probably the greatest hip hop artist of all time, not your favorite, not the best, not the most successful, the greatest like his his his uh, his bearing is is unbelievable. He's probably the most famous as well, right, um, biggest pop printing.

Yeah yeah, because he represents possibly the greatest black phenomenon that came out of America that's crossed over the world, which is being a gang member. Right. Then he's embodied being a hippie, right, which is California base, being a pimp, which is some West Coast shit, h I mean, And I think that's why, you know, outside of Dre obviously being a part of the music and should have an

a vision for it. He represented the greatest cultural phenomenon that we've ever seen as far as Black people in America. I think the key with Mexican hip hop, right, I like to call him, I like to specialize, not Latin hip hop. Mexican hip hop is truly embodying a culture that has no representation. But if the if the actual culture being represented doesn't have identity pieces or identity points, then why buy it from that person versus buying it

from somebody else. Yeah, it's like I'm not going to to McDonald's to buy tacos. I'm going to go to King Tacos. No, I get it. I get it. Um. So that's why I said, I don't know if it's a conversation of evolution or it's the same thing that's happening across the world to everybody else where. You're assimilating into mainstream. Because yeah, it's like there's no culture. I always tell you this, there's no culture in Gucci. There's no culture. Culture in Lousia. I feel like there is

culture and Gucci though no zero. I mean, look at look at where Gucci even became, you know, where it was introduced into the hip hop industry. It came from New York, from the drug dealers, you know, Alpole and all that. They was wearing Gucci before the rappers was wearing it. That's where the rappers start wearing it because they started and Dapper Damn was making it ship. You feel what I'm saying and boom, there it is there that's a grassroot influencing hip hop ricor well, I'm not

saying that influence. I'm saying it's not cultural. It's not a cultural thing. It's like, um, it's cultural for hip hop, and every motherfucker in this in this culture owns something of Gucci has But but I think that waters it down. I think that's the problem, is it. Well, yeah, I guess it, and that I mean the value, but it's still cultural to our culture. I think it's us taking from kind of So what happened to hip hop is

we got caught up trying to sell wealth. I feel like, and we said wealth to other poor people, so we all want to look like we got it to other poor people because don't nobody who have money think about it? Right, don't nobody wealthy care about Gucci? Like the wealthiest people I know don't even own Gulci. I think. I think, I think hip hop create. A matter of fact, this is a great question for Pete. Look, hip hop created.

Hip hop created a finish line for the hood or a place of honor, right, and so you know, they go and they and they get the Gucci and all these things that you want to You want to work hard, you want to get it right because you see your favorite the people we lucky to look up to, the hip hop artists, you feel me the ambassadors of where we come from, and they give us that that that standard of what we're reaching. The finally you know success.

To me, that's what that represents. What I'm saying, And if there was a time capsule for hip hop something, Gucci better be in that. Motherfucker you know what I'm not. But but I think that I think this hard. I I mean to cut you off, and I think these soft new motherfucker's, these politics motherfucker's try to try to fuck Gucci and hip hop's relationship. Fuck y'all for that. It's I mean, like like two points. I think to some degree, I mean that we were talking about like

like demographic ships, I think globalization of technology. It's the integrity of a subculture is a lot easier to remain intact when it's in more of a of an echo chamber and it's held together. I mean, like you look at like the history of the population in southern California's black community was a really south central, centralized late eighties. It's Marino Valley, It's high desertus Inland Empire. It's much

more Latino in South l A. That trans continuous. So now you see these more an integrated water down areas where the black communityists in the California. So the culture and of itself becomes exposed to and broken up more different influences that are localized. You see the same thing happening electronically with you know, globalization of access and stuff

like that. Um well, I was I was gonna ask you as far as like the evolution of like a cello, I thought a fair illustration of it, and it's a stupid little seas from a lot of years ago, or the Sealina movie when the trollos pull up on the bus. What's the troll And I was probably supposed to be that been early nineties, probably like King Little Yeah, it was, it was that was totally Hollywood hackish. But yeah, what's

what's okay? So the modern I'd say King Luji, He's a representation of what these young dudes look like now because you know, I'm a little older than them, you know, I I still have my original roots to a certain extent, you know. But but let me ask you a question. Um, And that's the point I'm saying, like, Um, so I was out of the titles, right, Um, and this is something that I have to contend with all the time. Um, outside of the titles. Cultural is is all about language.

Culture is all about lingo, morale, cuisine, fashion. Whenever we wear European like, think about the greatest movements ever, you know what I mean. Initially they started with very simple concepts, whether it's obviously death row or or uh ruthless right, that's a forty dollar outfit at that time. Yeah, the Ben Davis twenty dollar shoes, Cortez fear me like this is this is what made it dope culture. There's no culture what wealthy people are. Culture pretty much resides where

poor people are because that's where you. The dirt creates the culture, and if you kind of living good, you far away from the dirt. Um cash money T shirt. Yeah, I mean like yeah, but you see the elevation of them on the next album d had a Rolex. You know, I'm not I'm not disagreeing with Had fucking Jaguars and the projects, but I think that I think the perfect

blend is those two things together. Okay, As I always said you, I think the perfect blend are success and culture, and they don't necessarily supposed to go together, but they go together. Nothing is more doper like, nothing is fresher right then seeing a nigga. You ever see the nigga jump out of a Lamborghini wearing a Dickey suit and some Chucks, That is probably that's probably the most epic

thing in the world. And another thing I disagree with a lot of artists today and modern artists is like and I disagree one in my time too. I don't think there's no culture in the Midley. I think that Repper since wealth do right, but there's no culture. And I'm gonna tell you the problem I used to run into. So Bentley is only a Bentley to poor people when you went Beverly Hills. It's a regular car. When I was in the g Wagon, I'm driving the g Wagon

that's a soccer mom car. But if I had to rag fifty seven right with the new chassis under there, the LS painted custom looking nice, that's the same car that's special in the hood and in Beverly Hills. When I would drive my old school through Beverly Hills, I would get thumbs up all the white menut hey. And that's what hip hop is all about. That's what made Death Row in West Coast hip hop the greatest renaissance and all arts, because literally it became something the whole

world can be. You know what I mean. You didn't have to have great credit. You just put your grandpa old car from out the yard under the tree, fixed that thing up, put some datinges on there, chrome some stuff, puts my draulics. You didn't have to have thousands of dollars to buy clothes, right, You just go to the local uh surplus surplus and shoes, put some big laces in there for me, and you are cultured. And I think that's what made hip hop special. I think these

moments that's not special now is because of that. I think that's why we don't have any global acts, Like no, we have global acts. We don't have giants anymore. When's the last time we had a giant? And he's the closest, right, but he's not even all the way there. You don't think. I mean, I don't know if I would say he's Snoop Dogg. He's gonna. I don't think he's game yet,

you question, I don't know if he but he's right there. Yeah, because games out at this point like like a shift and say, like the culture like talking about going global and in music now you see like DJs go do shows. I mean they'll put on a concert playing someone else's music and that's the DJ. He picks great other people's songs. That's how hip hop started. Yeah, well yeah, that's the origin of the foundation of hip hop sport. Yeah, but it got big when the names could go out there

you get headline. That's how we're starting. Whyn't they started the car That's the thing like, and we're talking about like if you start talking about like David Getta, they're just doing all that whole style is just oh hip hop. I know that sounds crazy that that's what cool Herd was, don't most people don't know who Cool herk M C

wkay you know what this is. This is what I can say about about what you was asking me right now that I'm thinking about it and we're talking the reason why it seems like the Mexican rap scene and all that in all that whole little scenario is coming together the way you're saying it is connecting like becoming pretty much entwining into a different culture. I think it's because, um M, you know, for the on the artists we have the artists, there was never no real elevation like

there was for the mainstream artists. So you know, whether you know you see the Game become a millionaire you feel me, or you see Kendrick become a millionaire, you never seen Brown Side become a millionaire, you know. And they were signed to a major label, they're signing Ruthless, but you've just never seen that elevation. So at some point the fans in the community began to look at

what the next best thing that's shooting upwards. They have to they have to find something to feed off of and and be um influenced by, and they have to have some type of structure to graph for right success. So boom, they shifted their their visual to who the people that you see becoming rich Snoop Dogg exhibit, you know, and so forth and so forth. You know, Yeah, but I don't know. I don't know if so. One thing I realized is hip hop is two things right the

record like with the hip hop side of the record label. Right, it's two things right styles, it's vision and it's music. The greatest movements ever had vision and music. Right. So if we go back to Ruthless right from the West, easy is the vision they all wrote, Easy, Ease, Life, low Riding Looking this way. He was the vision. Dr Dre was the music. Death Row Sugar Knight was the vision. Dr Dre was the music. Um No Limit P was the vision. Beats by the Pound was the music. Cash

Money Records, Birdman is Slim was the vision. That's how you saw them. Many Fresh did the music. Bad Boy Puff with the vision made me with the mu Zick. I think as far as Mexican hip hop goes right, I think the producer part has been lacking because that matters, right, because you got to know what you're pulling from, like cultural, culturally, it matters, right. Fingers is probably the most successful. Is that fair to saye? He is probably the most successful.

So to me, that probably David Solace after him. Right, So to me, I don't understand why enough artists don't work with fingers. And then at that point, now you also have to have somebody more resourceful with the vision. There is no shoop Dog without sug Night. I don't care if it's just Dre's. Yeah, I told I told Royalty that from a low profile. He calls me all the time. Um, shout out to Royal team man that that's it. You would like him. You gotta real solid

still always talk about it. You know, mean he's but you know that's what I always tell him. There's no there's no mediums and ship you feel mean that there's no there's no there's no places to go, there's no moguls, there's no labels for us, and and that's and and until we build that that foundation for ourselves, it's always going to be in shambles. It's always gonna be going

one and one and in every direction. You know, there's always gonna be people trying to mimic the people that are doing it the best, you feel me, because there's no there's no place to go, there's no organic sound being created for theirselves. You feel what I'm saying, So you're correct on that. So the reality is I think that's where that becomes a thing, like you have to go to fingers, right, but then you have to have

somebody that has the vision. And the vision is is really important what I'm saying, it's it's it's I won't say it's important, it's as important as the music, but it is really you know, Cardinals, it's it's imperative that you get the vision together if you want to have longevity as an artist, because the brand is what people. People buy albums because of brands, because of the way it looks, how it feels, you know what I mean. They buy singles because of how the record, you know,

because of the music. They buy brands because of the vision. So that's why I said part of Sugar Knights appealed with Snoopers understanding what he wanted to say with death Row. You know, initially it was supposed to be d e f Row like deaf Jam, uh, because came up with that. Doc. Doc came up with that, and he wanted to be deaf Row like deaf Jam. But should caught a vision and realized it needed to be death row like a bunch of niggas that that was getting out of jail

or fighting cases. Right. So when he created that vision, he understood with Gangmagan meet in the l A and he had enough heart to say, Okay, we're gonna take this out to the world and mind you this is the greatest movement of blood and crypts together the highest level. And then Dre providing that music right that fit that landscape, like all of that p funk they was using. I asked a lot of my O G hummies, that's all gang bang music. They was telling me. Flashlight will get

you fucked up. At the party, flashlight came out. That was the gang bang zone. My mom, like, my mom and dad are from my hood, right, um, I can remember. It's funny you said that people don't understand that where your hood is. Your hood is just where you're from period. Like, don't matter if you say you're not, everybody else gonna

tell you from. Even if I wasn't like physically put into that hood, I'm still from there because my mother showed birthright, all her brothers, all her sisters, my father, my cousins, everybody to the same gang Anyways, um my first memories. I I remember waking up in the middle of the night and you know, walking into my kitchen and my dad's getting a tattoo right there, and there's motherfucker's in our front room, like dancing and fucking flashlight

or no parking on the dance floor. Get your ass killed, you know what I'm saying. They told me that type of ship used to come on you fucking ready to get killed in the party if you wasn't for real, you know, so pack James Brown Dad like you know that Styles, Styles made a good way. Shout out to hold you on staff. Style said took his workout. Music was big payback that when you hear it, I mean, obviously you can't think of hip hop because hip hop

is so much more dark and sinister. But I would imagine what that song sounds like because it is kind of sinister as fun. When it's the payback doctor get up. He's screaming at your ass, you like, bitch, ass, I'm gonna knock your ass nick out tonight that your ass Nick thought it was cool? Then a buffing at Venice

nig it was hard? Is there like in some sense or another I'm saying, this is why as far as like black rappers on the West Coast getting on to Mexican rap tracks by Mexican producer and stuff like that, that's funny. He just was talking about this. That's funny. That is a different breed. So so I'm liferent for him, but I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna teppoint. It's going to be different. I'm gonna tell you why. I don't agree with that point. People ain't ship, So let me

tell you what motherfucker's do. People gonna get on anybody hot. They're gonna pay anybody that they think is going to give them some ears. They will pay a dude that told on somebody if they thought people was gonna listen to them. I don't know that. I mean, yeah, but no, it depends on who we're talking about at this point. I'm just saying that people will pay a person that's not even reality a real person, because they're looking for exposure. So I think, and and that's funny. He just was

talking about that that all hip hop was dope. I'm proud I had be on you about that, but that's fire. I just want the best. I said that Uh, he was just saying that. He was saying he felt that there was uh a disparity, And I'm like, I get it, I get how that could be, But how many other times do people work together in which other business? Everybody

only go to people that caters to their benefits. I mean, you see for me, look, because I put career has been different, right, Like, I haven't had to pay a lot of people, and I have some pretty notable features from Big Black Girl. I'm but the the majority of me, I guess I wrap a certain way, right so I can wiggle through the cracks the majority of the Mexican rappers that don't rap like me, I've seen what they've had to go through to get these people on the records.

But that's what they're supposed to have to pay, right because I just seen, you know, anybody from everybody walking the glasses student be like where you want me to go? Because yeah, but that's not what are they gonna do that to everybody? Though? Every last other black rabber from what I've seen, yeah, they definitely it's not. Don't listen to him. I never I never seen somebody nobody, I never, I never seen nobody charge a D for a verse,

so I know him pretty good. Trust me. I never seen no one charge glasses for trust me, niggas will try to charge a D. I've never seen nobody charge glasses for her. That's because I know who to ask, and I haven't seen the biggest stars with glasses. But but but but I also know who to ask. Or there's there's things. But if it's rapper a who's coming up that people don't know they're gonna charge you. Yeah, but I think there should be Uh. I'm not saying

you shouldn't charge people. Don't get it sucked up. Yeah, because if I'm sounding rock, I want my money. But there should be uh respect for you. If that was there a reluctance like you said, you would have a little rock like and let's you be a respecting you out of the equation because you know, don't don't don't rip my head off. You know, if you come get a bird from me, I ain't gonna charge you the full. That's a lie. I'm gonna take three or four off,

that's a goddamn sure. Gonna charge full. I'm not, I swear to God, if you're my man, I'm not. I'm gonna take three off because you're my guy. I'm gonna take at least three thousand off the press, the dope and that understand. That's that's respectable. That's is not being honest. Dope. When you cross the border, it's cheap. It is cheap.

When you get to this motherfucker, it is top dollar. Yeah. Yeah, but you still can't afford to take a certain amount off and still make your profit and not rape your pockets, is what I'm saying. Yeah, but nobody when when when dope, right, there should be a respex? Is where about thirty one? Thirty two? Or they still crazy? No? That's um. Last

I heard it was I like that thirty or something. Okay, so right, thirty right because the Graham is like eighty dollars right, And it's crazy because if you take the ship and you actually clean it, you might get like fun, maybe a nickel because most of its cut at this point. But let me get to a point. No, No, nobody giving you no deals. Nobody like you know what you do me let me like, he's not listening, They're not like, okay, no,

but there are deals to get deals. Bro. A deal with bricks is if you're buying a hundred and I'm going to take two thousand dollars off three two. But like because there's not a great parallel there, because that's such a one direction supply chain. You know, it is different to say like like you or Black rapper generic A would have Little Rob on his track, but will he go get on Little Robs. He'll he'll have little

Little Robber will have Glasses on his album. But I don't think Little Rob's popping up on glasses and new ship. That's not true, Little Rob. It's hard. You don't be wanting to do work for everything. Like I would love that Little Rob on my album. But but yeah, but see that's why I say we can't use him as as That's probably fair because you know I'll make it work. You know, he's gonna get that treatment. Mexican people love Glasses. Well,

that's because we're pretty time. We all grew up the same way as Big As but but but but also very popular. Yeah, you know, he has a big Mexican follower. That's why people like Coca Co. Yeah, dog, you can't use him, you know, but I told him, but I'm saying, but I'm it's a brother that wants King Little G for a verse. He's in Washington. Is he going to pay him? He's trying to pay That's what's up. But let me frame that Washington. If you yeah, he's you

gotta pay anybody. He's not from my leg I listen. My thing is people will pay King Little G to wrap on their song. No, they will not paying people in Los Angeles will paying. What I'm saying, Jepariko ain't gonna pay him to get on the record. Why would they? They're literally brands are the same. I'm just saying that it would benefit That's all I'm saying. Yeah, but why would Gie Perrico, who was actually six. He's not gonna pay most people to get on the record. I'm just saying.

But I'm saying, but that's like King neil Ge not gonna pay most people to get on the record. At this point. Two part questions, Is there a stigma among the black listening audience about Mexican rap music? Yeah, yeah, because I remember that when I was younger. Like I said, I agree with him there, but that's not that's not crazy. What does that impact? But that's but that's not that's not because that influences the playlisteners. Let me tell you something.

The game does not treat Mexican artists fair. But that's not. But that's not. Hold up me. Let me say, I'm gonna throw motherfucker's under the but I'm not gonna motherfucker's. Motherfucker's will interview somebody with two thousand views or two thousand followers, but won't interview let's say m c smiley, who got twenty thousand followers. I don't know if that's true. I know that's true. I don't know if that's true. We would love for Homegrown Radio to answer our emails.

But what I'm saying, but but with Head and I'm talking Head, and they try to there there we were trying to get on a different show. They try to charge us for an interview. Hold up Head and chuck millions of yous. He but that's not But that's that, nigga. I'm not on Homegrown right now. I'm not, but I'm not. I'm just using them as because it could be anybody styles as any means publicist. Y'all can't see his face right now, anybody last look, And that's my sund It's

because Head is my man styles no head. We all came up, so it's fucking hilarious. But but what I'm saying is it's don't try to walk it back that head. Damn. We're just using them as an example because there's other people that were reaching has homegrown every interview Kinglji No, and I don't know why they haven't. Why haven't they? I don't know why? And the funk haven't they. We're talking about a man who got millions of views, so then at that point they should be. But I'm gonna

tell you why. So if they haven't point proven, if they have it point proven, if they haven't seen an interview with Mother, I've got three thousand followers, hold how many half a million million followers? Is it necessary at some point to have a major black producer signing can rap it the way Little John did pit Bull or something like that. Yeah, it is because you're not gonna get that. You're gonna you're not gonna get that. Look at. Let me tell you some king uh cap G has

a black team. Yeah, but that's not everybody behind him is a black man. That means that he's gonna get them exclusive looks. He's gonna get those revote interviews. He's gonna get those those things that the mainstream artists get. He's gonna get those looks. But isn't that a relationship thing at that point? So okay, so look, so Young Drummer, so listen, we don't. We're not the gatekeepers. Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, so young trying to

walk through a gate to get to those relationships. Hold up, hold up, Young Drummer was on home Wrong, Young Drummer boy one year ago? Hold up? King Little g on Big Boy? How long ago? One year ago? Okay, it's been a pandemic, King Little G on No Jumper twice? Okay, No, to mean it was so so those are those are just the premier artist that said there. I'm just I just I just went to because I said King home Grown Radio. Okay, I'm sure FIFA and just for the record, right,

I'm not targeting damn, they're just tete. I'm not teting that the home is getting targeted. I've got targeted, but probably yeah, I'm not target but no, obviously obviously they know that. We're just making examples. But but I'm saying that's not fair. I'm gonna tell you. You know what funk that I'm in that classic um um Kendrick Lamar interview that they have the classic one. I'm sitting right behind Kendrick. That motherfucker's added me out, dog, So you

know what I am talking about. Y'all know they edited me out. Yeah, I was sitting there the whole interview. And now I mean that what's going on? If I need all my respect, I need my answers, I need my respect, answer why am I edited out? Not in that interviewed to the extent that obviously the regionals are different cultures different. Whatnot is the how's the expand upon the relationship between like Latino in black New York and the hip hop culture and community there versus Los Angeles.

That's but he knows that's what's different. But what's different the average the average Black person. It's not what I'm gonna tell you by because so one, there's a lie. So there's a lie that's floating around. I wanted to make sure I shared this feed. Yeah, classes, the Latin people are super racist in New York. Like there's the thing like they like black people know a lot of the motherfucker's is racist and ship too. But it's just a stigma here, right, especially for clos where people feel

like clos don't like black people. Yeah, you know, they got crazy rumors people a lot of what happened. Oh, don't wear white T shirts and all remember that bull shirt. No, it's not that you can't wear a white teeth is gonna get you. What kind of weird ship? Motherfucker's they flash your head like, don't flash it back? Yeah, ship, bro, they's be coming up with some ship. I don't know

who we be sending this ship out. I always called always send it to my homies for one seven to be like foo, look at this, so you know, I'll say, so look, so I'm from right, it's a Mexican gang. That's the same hood, the CV one one sevens. So I grew up like that, like kind of you know, my one of my best friends as a kid is my boy mind though for me, I go to his house all the time. His family, he's Mexic family from Mexico.

Are you the exception of the rule? But no, I think on the East Side in general, it's kind of like but but so, first off, he's from eighteen Street, so you know, the average black person think eighteen Street hate all niggas, but that's not true. But that's not that's not see you see multiple cultural people. From there you go telling the truth, that's not the point. That's true. She's top telling the truth. That's the problem. You telling the truth because not my truth. The thing that sent

people's mind is what's wrong? Yeah, eighteen question real quick? Eighteen started because I was in the pressure of eighteen started as a multicultural hood back in the day. Was there an effort at some point with eighteen to kind of cleanse that out didn't have to deal with anything with the third teen relationship? Was that was at a potentiary thing? Or when um, yeah, I could talk about it, Okay.

When when they when they had the peace treaties a while back, Um, they didn't want you know, I think they were looking down on like Mexican gangs with black members, and if I remember correctly, there was like a hood or two that they tried to force and then they were going to come in, you know, they were going to try to I guess maybe, yeah, cleans is the word.

Maybe I don't want to use the word cultural cleanse, gang cleans, gang cleans, right, But you know eighteen because I remember specifically being from a meeting where there was one hood where they didn't want to let them in. There was no peg like Morgan Freeman. That's what you're saying. I thought that good, let's edit that out. You gotta keep that. I want to make Freeman don't don't. Oh why did you combine those names to published the exact motherfucker?

We're just beating out anyway, lost stories. You know what it's like South Park? They will you know you ever see South Park? When they know it's family guy, they won't show, Uh, you don't talk about gus. They will show uh who is the who is the character? They won't show he's the neighbor, isn't he? No, it's it's like a god like the Muslim? Oh no, is it a lie? Who is the character that they were Mohammed?

They will not show the prophet Mohammed? Who go so so they was there was you know, they was trying to stop gangs with certain members from going in and we were like, nah, funk all that, like these are people because we should we showed up. There was about like five my black homies with me, like specificularly specifically from my click, there's about like twenty black people and they're all related and ship So you know, I don't I don't know that. Yeah, I guess, but we were

in a we're in a different position. And it's Mexicans from my hood too, like not just one one seven, but literally from a hundred seventeen street watch crypt there's like Mexican people from my gang. I mean, you know they're gonna people are gonna do whatever you allow them to do. And like you talk about the perception along black people hates black people, is is that part of a ramification of like that that that's because that's because we you know, eighteen Street how to be for the

black gang. I mean, they still have that bet, but it's not as active as it once was. But you know, for lack of better words, that gang just chose the wrong battle. What what what? What's crazy? Then you know they but but but let me say something. Let me say no, once you start a machine, it doesn't stop. And when you start seeing a lot of motherfucker's falling, then you start saying, Yo, these motherfucker's ain't playing. But let me let me say something. Something that is not

known about eighteen streets. It's not one gang. It's a gang of gangs that operate under the same fame kind kind of the same federal guidelines. It's fair to say. It's like it'll be different states and in different federal guidelines. It's different different infantries for sure, like an army, I guess, so you can't be in different ran Hoover is you guys are off for like Original eighteen or and like Lynwood and like. But but the Hoovers is a great point.

The Hoovers is the same kind of gang. There's multiple gangs that operate under this federal guideline of Hoover, but they all won they all different games. Yeah, because like so where he's from, it's totally different than on the other side of the Washington and Hoover or something like, or like if you start going to the west side, somewhere close to the four or five, it's totally not in day. Yeah, it's different. It's it's totally different, you know.

But my passes are good there. I can't function there. But he don't even know the depth of that if we're not even talking about that part. But I'm just saying it's just different. They have their own beat. There be are different. My rivals are different from every other eighteen set. It's like a crip. Like a crip. Every crip don't got the same rivals just where you're from.

But but I think, I think, um, I think the moments right that have been celebrated in Mexican hip hop, right, the Kid Frost A lot of eyes all right, Um, I mean I wouldn't celebrate Kid Frost, but I get it. I mean, you're missing the point of what I'm saying that I'm celebrating. We gotta write your own music in order for me to start. I'm not gonna do if nothing to that point. Cyrus Hill and they're kind of a blip, But there there's there anique is be real

Mexican the Cuman. So you cub as long as you're not hook and you can be of the greater Latin x umbrella and surviving hip hop, it just can't specifically be Mexicans. Was almost come down to yeah, yeah in a way, because it's going on in l A, you know, because of the because of the scrimmagese that's going on in the neighborhood. But I don't, I don't think. But I don't think that's true. I think when I think it still comes down to records. The record. Records is

the one thing. Man, I've had great records here you go, it's not I've had records radios. But when I I'm not the motherfucking home studio, you know what fun that. I got a motherfucking problem with two point three not going to do this. Look, see, I had a motherfucking record on thirty five motherfucking markets. You know how hard that is to be an independent artist and have thirty

five markets playing your record? Bro mix show. Secondary point being is I'm building I come all the way home after about nine months on the road to really doing this ship, and they ain't playing my motherfucking record. They won't even put me mix. So, yeah, man, I got a problem with that. I'm letting grief and just grieve right now, even though it was a couple of years ago. But you know, but but but the point is, I think records are the true barrier styles. I think records

are the true barrier. I think we have celebrated enough records from people that you would never believe, like we celebrated Vanilla Ice in this culture before. Yeah, but those records were forced down your throat with a budget. We're not going to do that. We're not gonna front like Ice Ice Baby wasn't the ship. I'm not gonna even I'm not gonna even let you lie to the people out here this podcast, this is this is why, this

is why, this is why all that. They don't want me to look, they don't want me to talk because I've been there. I know that, I know the plays, I know how the rex. So you're saying we didn't like Ice Ice Baby. I love the Ice the first day you heard it. Man, I'm just making sure you're just not gonna lie to people. What was it? Stop collaborate and listen. I really, I'm just making sure you

you're not fronting on the nicenest of that record. No, never that the record is hard, but what this is what I'm saying, right, I remember when hy was working to it and booted before he got the label signed. He went in there, boom, he got them to mix show at all that right, No, that that's not that's you're missing. They don't show that type of Mexican. That's not little can't make sure up there, that's not that's not totally transparent. Why that's true, It's not totally transparent.

Hy G had the hottest record in Los Angeles, all the all the party everything. Everybody knew the record in the scene, first word to last word. That show happened. The same thing with Hot Dollar. I was there on Hot Dollar single, Got Cracking. She wasn't playing on radio like that until he until Jermaine to pre signed him. But he was already radio played because he was the j and the DJs were showing him that love. They're not going to do that to a Mexican. He's doing

that again. You knew he was signed to fil You knew he had He wasn't signed that that he had to deal with Filly fail him if he had fairly failed him and fell fail was wording him. But they were really close, and that's where all he was. You didn't your head are really close. But but I'm saying relationships again, keyword is relationships, but keyword is relationship. But those relationships ain't available for Mexican. I totally disagree. It's not as many. Actually, in theory it should be more,

because why isn't it Then you have no idea? Why you gotta tell me. It's a ton of Mexican people that work at the radio station. All of them. Shoot, every time I went up there, there was like, where's glasses? Is he coming with you? Yeah? But you got it. How many of you took lunch? A nice amount of you took the lunch, but not probably not that many, but took there you go like one or two. But trust me, there is a boys club mentality in this ship. Bro,

you have to understand me. I can't. It's part he knows because he's in. He's in the end crowd of that Ship's partially true and partially not true. Just follow me. Rose the l a hip hop radio, the majority of the people on the microphones all day long, if they aren't Mexican, their Latino. The overwhelming majority of the listenership is if they're not Mexican, the Latino, probably eighty plus percent.

If a song, what's the barrier? Because I'm sure that there are songs some artists that they are so big. The promotion and the availability of the outlets, it's what's hindering the progress. But it's it's gonna take longer for a record a word of out to get millions views opposed to you knowing this record has potential, it's starting to take off. Boom now we're playing it at mixed show, but boom now people are inviting you to a club

to open up real quick. I've been in clubs were glasses before I was actually with him where he had to me the mic and I wrapped. So I've glasses giving me a lot of opportunity. And you know, he's synonymous for my career, believe it or not, right, but that's because he's always given me that type of opportunity. He's that type of artists, but artists ain't getting that

type of treatment constantly. Where I come from, I'm a special type of artists in all honesty, who got certain attention from artists that was made that's not that's literally not sure I get. I get the concept a song that had Like when the song does it, it might take longer, a slower process, but if it hits critical mass among the Latin l A audience, it's got five hundred thousand, a million views whatever it is, does that not get on l A radio because you've got people

right now. But I'm gonna tell you, people like King, they got videos with eighteen twenty million views and they're not getting played on radios. If you're playing that, you demand enough listenership to be able to not get but because because but no, it's not no, no, that's not that's not fair. So I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you that's not true. YouTube doesn't always translate into what you here, it's what you see. Does he have songs with twenty million spins on Spotify? That would be

an argument if he has. If he has million, most of them are gonna be here. And that's enough to make Coca Cola pay for that turn. You have to do some incredible ship for them to funk with you like that. Bro, that's not cap capture You got love, You got loved because Capy has a black team that can make it through them doors that we can. And this is his demo. But cat G doesn't have a record bigger than the Summer Nights. No, but he had a big record that that girlfriend record was big. A

was not big in the Summer Nights. And but this is his demo, so obviously this is where they're gonna play it. But you have to have them. That's why I say every time when people say, how did your radio runs go? The first thing people would tell me is where his glasses? But but that's but that's only because and I'd be like, well, he's not here, but you know he's behind me. But but but that's also that's tricky, right, And they want that coat sign, they

want you feel me. Yes, that can help. I'm not saying all of these things don't help, right, But what I'm saying is as a Mexican rapper, as a Mexican hip hop artist, the demo is yours. And I think what you're what you're kind of conceding is well, the people in between us is making it too. I can't get to them. That is impossible. It's impossible because those people are right on the other side of them. You don't need these people in the middle to get to

those with a faster process. But because I can get to my demo, but I'm on the corner passing ship out daily, busting my ass opposed to Foully foul ringing the battle on my ship. That sucking. But three o'clock now the whole fucking cities listening to Yeah, but I still think that's still not the situation, right, I still think that you're saying. I don't have the conveniance of making it easier. Well, because the people, the people believe

what the powers that be tell them to believe. Nobody could tell no one's gonna believe I'm a rapper handing you, You're like, you're not gonna Hey, yo, I'm the hottest ship in l A. Take my c D. No, they're not gonna believe me. But the way to fort Foully Foul to say any means it's the hottest ship in l A. This is his record Boom Jake Cruz, whoever in the Yeah. But because I don't give a funk about radio at this point, but they don't. But they don't have to say that for you to be the

hottest ship. Does listen? You could be the hottest ship. If djr Head gets on ninety two point three right now, Head, I'd love you. It says you know, any means it's the hottest ship. Follow that motherfucker. They're gonna do it. I bet you wouldn't get a thousand followers. I just seen him fucking talk to UH Music exact last night, talking about I need you to do this email. I bet you. I bet you if he got on the

radio and ship happened. I bet you if he got on the radio and said any means it is the hottest artists follow him, you wouldn't get a thousand followers. I bet you I would. What you want to bet? You know why? I would? Because I would take that fucking clip and I put it on my social I bet you wouldn't get that running and everybody would see it. And I guarantee you that would give me more than a thousand followers. I bet you so. So we're gonna that's beat My biggest My biggest record to day is

with Glasses wherever you want to eat. I got big records, but we can make it fun. It's with him summertimes. Yeah, but that's not but you're not. Also, this is the thing, right because they want that co sign, they want to believe your famous. The only believe your famous if you're with famous people, the co sign is easier. You don't need the co sign it and you don't need radio to get to people, and you don't need other like this is the thing. I'm not saying you don't need

a mass distribution. That's not true. And I understand traditionally in place, right, And this is something I had to break myself of thinking, like I just was talking to this little dude on Instagram about it right now. Too many times we're on autopilot, we're taking routes right that planes that flew before, and we just resting back in the plane and getting mad because the plane is not doing what we wanted to do well because we're trying to take a route that somebody else has already took.

That's how autopilot work, right, So what I'm saying is grab the wheel, turn off the switches, and fly the plane. Just created my own career, though that's that's not what I'm saying. Obviously, right, we wouldn't be in his room.

But what I'm saying to you is right, is there's more ways to get to the Mexican demographic of people who want to hear Mexican hip hop from a Mexican rapper then Fairly Failed, then DJ Head, then Big Boy than anybody, right, So you have to figure out your job is to figure out how to get this idea to millions of those people. It's part of the puzzle bro not part of the traditional sense. It's part of the puzzle. You get what I'm saying. Let me let

me give you a great example. Right, White Lightning was the ship, but it wasn't popping until Game got involved. That's when it became real, right glasses, Um well I was real. I was always with him the whole time. Okay, But but but point proving that. But I'm gonna tell you the point why it's point proving because there's four other artists around that time that didn't have what I had and it didn't work out for them as well. Who Black Friday at the time be flying at the time.

It's about three or four different people life at the time. People I don't come on, it's not it's not but it's not. But it's not about the white men. Don't do that. Listen. I'm talking about game, game that put together groups, Game had tech, crooked game. There's already somebody though Eastwood Tech was already somebody was already somebody. But you're missing the point of what I'm saying. And how did they get on Sugar Knight? But co signed? Yeah, but they're not on. Like if I call it all

right now, he wouldn't they were on. He's what would never believe he's on. He'd be like, y'all making a living. Tech would believe I'm making living. They're not like, yeah, we're like, we're what we should know, artists, the pretty on, let's be on. You know, people may bad, bad, bad decisions with the wealth and all that. That's something totally No, I believe if you asked them that, they'll tell you

that the people in power didn't believe in him. If right now, if we call, if we call Hill cover but fucking double X out magazine. But he still would tell one that's considered a legendary cover. But I'm sure he still would tell you. You're telling me that ain'tn opportunity. Yeah, but I'm telling you exposure, what you're exposing is more than the exposure. Well, okay, see that's that's where that's where you separate the big boys from the little boys.

Exposure talent takes you the rest where you need to go. You need to have that exposure in order for your talent to take you where you need to go. No, but I'm saying, talent talent, wille what I'm saying, listen, talent talent. Let me tell you all the difference, right, talent could sit out in the corner front of the liquor store and make a living. No, it can't. Yes you can you literally if you can play the piano

and sing. If you're super talented what you do, you'll make a living in front of the liquor Sture hints quotation super yeah. I think that's the thing is, it's not the the exemplary case. It's the aggregate median case exactly that he's trying to get across. Because the top one in a thousand is going to be the top one in a thousand. But if it doesn't have to be top one of a thousand to get on, and it's you, it has to be typed one thousand, get

on ast him, I asked his point. But but I'm telling you that the reason that is is because if you're depending on an old system to get you to the public. Well, I mean, at this point I'm not I mean not obviously, but we're not talking. What I'm still asking for is equality in the game. Right, So what I mean by equality is I mean all hip hop. Um. They've they've supported me throughout the years, they've really supported me, um, But why haven't they supported other Mexican rappers, how many

are reaching out with a publicist? Like? How many? How many? How many people have their business together? Like I would have to talk to see a g Z. I would have to talk to some of these dudes and say, hey, are your publishers doing your work? How? I don't think they have publicis So at that point, if you don't have a professional set up right, you're not gonna invest in yourself. How something else can invest in you? Yeah,

but you you gotta understand too. Um, They're they're in a position to where they don't necessarily need the publicist because they're generating so much attention. So that's where the system is broken too, because nobody's reaching out for that ground, that grassroot talent. No more. It ain't about finding the

diamonds anymore, you feel what I'm saying. And that's like I said, as long as there's an equal platform, I'm cool with it because I know motherfucker's is gonna sink and they're gonna swim, and only there's only a field of us that are really gonna make it, you know what I mean, Because I've been in this game with a lot of dudes that are not here no more, but I am so you know. That's all I say

is give everybody a fair opportunity. But the same way you're putting everybody else, put them there and let them far where they may question for the room. Whoever like Z most can't miss? Who gives a funk about the price tag DJ producer right now in the game if this, if you're on this guy's beat, that's all you need in life, perfect example, right, No mean to cut you. I I introduced head to an artist named Bella that's a Mexican artist in l A right now. She's a

young female and she's doing millions of views by herself. Right, had shared her profile and boom opportunity. Not not saying the opportunity wasn't already coming, but it just enhanced the opportunities. More people are watching, more people hold up, who's that? Yeah? But what's because that's somebody would notoriety. But what's the value in Head sharing it? It had to have an opportunity, you know what I'm saying. What's the value for him

being being supporting grassroot Los Angeles music? Reaching out? I was reaching out to it. It's expanding his audience space exactly. So So the point is, but I don't I mean, I don't know. I don't think I know. I don't think he operates like that. I think he likes what he likes and he's pretty sharp what wants. But that

it's it's, it's it's true in both things. I mean, I'm sure there's certain things like, hey, if he don't like the music, he's not gonna suck what I'm saying, but there there's a benefit, and also sharing somebody that's dope, right, or sharing somebody that's popular, right. So I think he does a really good job of sharing everybody. I think he'll funk with anybody if he's aware of it. He just not aware of it. In your situation, you've done homegrown, Okay, Well,

that's the thing. The awareness needs to be the same way they're aware of Blasts before he was blast, The same way they're aware of you know, fucking Westside Boogie or whatever his name before anybody was aware of him. Is the same way they should be aware of Ballad. They should be aware of C and G. They should be aware of any means that's not where the people that are making noise in that corner of the of

the city. But but that but that's my point. That's not their responsibility really is though, if you're a tastemaker and you're breaking the music. But I think that's how you look at them, even if they that's the way it should be. Yeah, but even if they want to claim it, that's not real. Like you're not aware of everything going on. You're not like you know, uh, what is the word I'm looking for. You're not omnipotent. Your your awareness is not everywhere at once, right, you have

to kind of the awareness has to be brought to you. Well, you know, if you're if I'm gonna be honest with you, if you're gonna use the word gatekeeper, then I'm gonna hold you accountable for being the gatekeeper and and and properly. If I was the gatekeeper, I will be in every fucking hood. But none of these guys would be in the Leaso Village. I'd be in motherfucking you know, Jordan Down, I'd be but none of you. For the talent, but none of these guys are truly gatekeepers. That's just an

overstated thing. A gate is a special thing. Like you're not in the game because he had stamps. You It literally means you literally have another step up. You took another step up on the ladder. It's a far ladder to get to the gate where you walk in and you're in the gate. Well, we could use somebody else for then we could use Charisma for example. Right, so you don't think Charisma does a good job of breaking Mexican artists or like or never never seen her do it?

And tell me right now Charisma broke that's a Mexican artist. Well, I don't think I don't think that's fair broke any Mexican rapper. I'm sure she played King Logi early. I remember playing King Logi early. Um, she complaining, Yeah, but but again, you have to have records that are working. If your records aren't working is different. Who's the who you know? Most? Can't misproducer in all of hip hop

in America anywhere? Right here and now? Must could Could a Mexican rapper get Muster to do a great track for him? But yeah, we probably with a million dollar budget. Okay, he don't eat that much money, probably got spent he would do. I guarantee you if I can't right now with Tan ground and I said, glasses take me to much. Tim ain't gonna get it done. No budget, no budget budget, no damn wild Glasses, says your mustard. I got tan right here. He's gonna be like what you're doing the record.

I'm telling you the truth. I wouldn't play me to Gold right now. I wouldn't playing with him. I at least have to go seeing with a dub Ski do he probably getting thirty forty? Bro if he lays down a like a great like and that artist. This is something this is something me him debate about and we have historically. Right is the music scene is different, like the cultural scene is different, Like it matters like how

this person makes music. I guess the reason that Fingers has been more successful than any black artist, be any black producer with Mexican hip hop artists, Fingers understands a little bit more sonically of what has to happen on these records because you still grooming music. Like when somebody like I like, if a Mexican person listens to a black artist, they're listening for something specifically. They're not just listening to hear some ship that sounds like fucking Frank Sinatra.

They're listen to Frank Sinatra. For Franks, not so when they're listening to Uh. If you're listening, if we're listening to a parliament, we know what we're listening for. If you're listening for Kendrick Lamar, you know what you're listening for. The thing is we come to Black artists or we come to Mexican artists for different things. That's the reality of it. We can't say we come to Wrap to Rap because I'm not coming to him and them the same reason I'm going to Snoop Dog. I don't give

a father. They both wrapped. I want something different from them than I want from Dog. So then that's the point. Back to the music, right, the music needs to reflect cultural aspects that could connect to the listener. Son, But this is where I think the all it is, and this is why I think he's saying in the Nutsha He's like, well, in theory, a Mexican song should be able to be as enjoyed by a Black artists from the first day. And I'm like, that might not make

sense when you think about it. It should be true in humanity, but because human beings are not the same culturally, then that can't be the same. I'm just not going to for Mexican food. I'm not going to any brother before I'm going to King Tako. It's just not I'm just not going there because when I want the flavor, no, and I get that. And when I want the flavor, I want the flavor, I get that. And that's not

necessarily what I'm saying. Um, I'm saying that I make. Okay, look, I make I make hip hop that appeals to Mexican people. I do that purposely because that's my demo and that's who I served whole or a curse. No, No, no, that's not that's not true. Hold up, that's a trick. He tricking. That's a trick question my question. No, this is the trick question that No, what he said right

now is a trick statement. That's not totally sincere. Who makes the most commercially successful hip hop for Mexican artists? What producer of all time? Fingers? How many records you got with it? I got one record with fingers? How many records you got? I got a lot of records. How if you had to roughly just guessed it, four hundred niggah, you got more than four reds? Okay, well published records about four hundred, I don't know, maybe a thousand.

So out of all of the motherfucker's records, he got the one who has had the most success with Mexican hip hop. He has one with that's the problem. Well, because he had he had, he had success in a time, in a place and time. He's the only person with success in in that Pacific time. He hasn't had anything in years exactly, He's the only one with success. My biggest record was produced by fun Can Muggs. What Mugs Muggs with Mexican hip hop? Up? But oh yeah? Or

would it be no? He does? He does, He's the biggest that's the question. So then how many records you got with Muggs. I don't have any connection with Muggs. That's the problem. So it starts right there first, right, it starts right there. So this is some Styles I got for you. Because so Styles also is a publicist. Super Ill got a podcast. We'll be doing this ship all that right here, he goes, right, Damn, I lost my thought. He was gonna say, but that he needs

to give me a record by Mugs. We definitely, you definitely need to record for Mugs okay me up again. I had it. I had it because, um, does the fact that you make music for a Mexican hip hop market to some degree play into the fact it it's hard to get out of a Mexican hip hop market. Not because because my music is probably the personification of crossover at this point, so perfect Yeah sure, um you know yeah, crack, rock, bounce and so because because I I did them all Mulke, I got it, I got it.

So here it is right right now. You're from New York styles and you're a producer. I mean, you have an artist that you want to work with and this Artists like man, I need to go get produced. I need to get production from a really great producer. But there's no modern version of that. You're just gonna say, don't go work with Puff. You're gonna say, don't go work with Swiss Beats. You're gonna say, don't go work

with Jess Blaze right now. For you from not gonna go to them for what I need right now, I'm saying, if you're a New York artist right now, you wouldn't go to Jes Blaze, Swiss Beats and fucking Puff. If you're a Miami artist, You're gonna go to Cool and Dre. No, No, I'm not. I'm saying I'm just being honest. I'm not honest. I mean, logically, it sounds like you would go to them, but I probably try to go to the person stuff. Yeah, but that guy's not from New York. But I'm just

saying that New York. But but I think, I think, I think that's popping all over because his passing became to Hitmaker. I will go to hitmaker makers lost Hitman makers based on that lay. But that's that's the mistake artists of making. And that's the point I asked the que in reality I could do with hitmakers doing because I've did it before. Like all, he's doing the sampling records from the night, but that and and that's don't shout out the burd because he is getting busy, he's

getting dope. So but but what I'm stupid. But what I'm saying is that's the mistake we're all making. So I could see if you thought that on the West, because we do have Mustard, we do have hit Boy. But if you're on the East, there is no Mustard of the East. Right now, there is no hit Boy of the East. They're gonna take that motherfucking playing flight. They're gonna come over and get with him. So why would you not go to Swiss Beats Because Swiss just

doesn't understand the climate of the game right now. The game hasn't changed to hit record right now. You missed because people are not does not have a hit record because people are not going to Swiss be because they know he's not delivering what they need. That's a lot. He hasn't showed me his missus. When was the last time he put out a record as also, I mean, how available are they? They ain't doing ain't like they're

doing nothing else. Yeah, yeah, that's a big statement. Not like we could knock on the door and say, hey Swiss, it's not that hard to catch bro. Instagram and Twitter, you could tweet Swiss. I mean, Bro, but that's a needle in the haystack at Oh no, no, it's not. It's a lot. You should you should, man, bro Okay, like shout out the Hood right um, And this is somebody that I like the shout out to shout out the Hood. I love his music. I always loved his music.

We're collaborating he's coming down. But you know, when I first reached out to him, he was like, Yo, what up? Like a little sound office because of the way I look, you feel me? But sure, because because all he heard is that this acholo can be a threat. But you know what I'm saying. So it's not as easy as all I'm saying. But but it doesn't matter. If it's easy, right, you have to go get it. I think hip hop is making a huge mistake it bro, but no, but

that's not you listen. I think hip hop is making a huge mistake all aspects of it, all subcultures of it, right by turning our back on the successful. Now, I get it, if you're on the West, I don't agree with it. I think right now, why you can go to Battle Can and get a hit record? I bet my last nime on it. Yeah, I mean I believe that because that's what you're taught about. I believe Uh Tiger can go to Dr Dre and get a hit record today. Well, because you know we're our OURVPN system

is different from there. But I mean, mindest that I'm saying, even though we have mustered me hit boy right now and Blast starting to preserve the culture and move the culture to the next phase of it. Right. But it's no different than when snooping them right, and they went and they just flipped, uh the dramatics and had Ryn Banks and them come sing on Dolly Dog World. It's it's really just Ryn Banks. I mean, it's really just the dramatics. It's not crazy like I think we're making

a mistake. And I'm saying this is important that Mexican hip hop because open your door, Mustard. I'm coming to over, not Mustard. It's not Mustard's fingers man fingers fingers is like doing some Disney ship last I heard that. That don't change that. He still got it. I got something from him right now? Do you play for me? See this different though, see glasses heat like he like, you know, he got a lot of connections, and he's like, not, it's not connection. You know, I just got in first

some games. You ain't go with you. That's not he missed the whole point. See you see how I did that stuff. I'm done. I don't know. I'm done. Matter of fact, guy, I need my verse from you.