Conversation About Loverboys

brought the homie. Uh, Joey west Side. Joey west Side got a podcast? What it's homie that they don't do consistently? Right? Um? What's the name of your podcast? Contrarians? The Contrarians? When's the last time y'all did a podcast? Uh? Ship had been about? I'm multiple months, multiple multiple months and that's contrary and c O N T R A R E A N s is it sounds like a like Contrarians, like one of those armies the Romans used to battle.

Man Caesar conquered the Contrarians shout out to my nigga, mac at conscious king a eight, my bro sean, he like a brother from another mother. You know what I'm saying, Like he he one of us, you know, that's my nigga, So shout out there. He was supposed to be here. Unfortunately he couldn't make it today. So what makes it hard for y'all to do your podcast? Why don't y'all just take the time and get it done. I guess

we just don't take advantage we had. Honestly, the problem is, like we just spoke earlier, we didn't make it a priority. You know, we didn't prioritize in a way to where, um, you know, we just make sure that he gets done, you know what I'm saying. And we realized doing the ship every week the way we was trying to do it and keep up and you know, and really finding exactly what it is that we're trying to do because we was amateurs at it. Uh, you know, I just

I guess it became a little overwhelming. And I wasn't really doing the Homie was doing most of the work when it comes to like editing the videos and getting it together, and certain ships shout out at him and I wasn't you know, I wasn't contributing that much. Besides my energy, But why not just do the audio part, because that's really what it's about, stripping the audio down and then releasing the audio of the podcast, right right. Um, I just never thought about it, yeah, because we kind

of just figured people. We assumed that people would like to see you talking about the ship more than just the audio, which we can be wrong because honestly, the audio versions is the podcast is the podcast, and that's where we got the most listens. The YouTube members of Trash what honestly looking out our YouTube, it's not that they don't know it's there. Well yeah, I know, but

I'm just being it's trash, you feel me. But Pete is really important because like Pete stays on me, you feel me, and we'll do a couple in a week, and it's it's more of a challenge on him sometimes in me, I just got to kind of be down to do it. So I'm grateful to have Pete because we haven't even started doing videos because literally it it like we're trying to get the podcast nail to where we feel comfortable. So I figured, like, what we say,

fifteen twenty episodes and we'll start recording. And I appreciate the credit by the way. But also I think it would be challenging until we get the other location up and running to do videos in here. I don't know how that would come off optically. Yeah, that would look crazy. Yeah, this ship look crazy. Here I try to take a picture of I can't remember what show it was, and posted on Instagram. Just look crazy? This is it? That

ain't it? That ain't cracking? So if you don't have time to do the podcast, what do you spending your time doing? You know what? Honestly, man, what do you think it sums most of your time? Uh? Work's my work. That's eight hours, So it can't consist hours. You gotta think about it. It's more thing, eight hours most of your waking you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I wake up prior and then I commute, I'm you know what I'm saying. So how many hours and waking up and

then communing? Okay, I wake up two hours most likely like two hours before I got to be at work, so it didn't take an hour to get to work. So so two hours total one of those hours right right right? And then it might and then I get off and I might do eight hours. I might do ten hours. I might do twelve hours. It all depends, you know. You know what I'm saying. Driving home takes hours, right, you dry at least an hour, and then on a bad day, that ship could turn into two and a

half hours. Okay, So let's say on an average day you spend roughly eleven hours dealing with work, right, what are you doing for the rest of another time? Might be taking a nap. Jim bullshitting too. Let me get to that. I'll be bullshitting too as far as just I'm just saying I want to be honest, like, and they would be sitting around. You can be scrolling through social media. You can watching some ship on YouTube. I could be on the phone talking, you know, dealing with

family life. You know what I'm saying, what's my life? You know, just my daughter making so she straight. I gotta you know, I got a lady in my life. You know what I'm saying. I give you know, that's takes up some attention. How much time do you think you dedicate to that? Um Like, you want to know that the hours because if you had to imagine the time, if you had, you know, thank you, that's some thank you. You said that because I was about to say it

takes a lot of thought. I'm glad see I funk with you because no, but that's some real ship because I was about to, you know, say that because the full on efficiency. But honestly, it's thought. Thought contribute to most of the day, to be honest, like the ship.

So you're talking about you're thinking about your old lady most of the day when I'm talking, just thinking about everything that relates to it, you know, just if that makes sense, like yeah, you know, if you know, especially you know, sometimes ship get a little complicated, you know, that could be on your mind, and then that can affect other ship that you should be worried about. And then you're thinking about that, you know what I'm saying.

Then certain ship that we gotta handle, you know what I'm saying. Then you're thinking about that and making sure that you could saying nothing this whole time. But I got it for you. I got it. I get what you're saying even though you ain't saying nothing the whole time. Here's the answer. Okay, talk to me. I'm here to listen. You're allocating more intellectual human capital to your girl than anything else, right, so therefore, why don't you just do

a podcast about her? Because what's your greatest area of expertise? And which brings us to this podcast, which is a conversations about lover boys? Whoa which I'm not calling you a no, yes you are. I don't like that. Hey, I did say conversations with lover boy. No, no, no no, I said what bar trap classes is good? Hold because I didn't say I didn't say conversations with lover boys. I said. The title is conversations about lover her boy. I just don't like the name. Why not? I just

don't like it. You don't like love? Don't you always have tag? No? No, I love you. I don't like lover boy. That ship sounds so the boy part is kind of progressive. Boys sounds soggy. Bro shouldn't be lover men. It should be just like I don't know whatter of love I don't I don't know what it should be just lover boy. I don't like it, my nigger, That's what I'm just saying. It don't sound good. What what I respected? I could respect it? So I'm putting my light.

It just don't sound good. What's wrong with lover It just don't sound good and it's nothing and what's crazy to me? And you know, I really don't, but I'm gonna tell you why, so, my so. What what me and Pete liked to conversate about is Pariah's and our society right culturally, I focus on our culture more than anything, and Pete is familiar with our culture and we do share things in culture. Lover boy has such a negative connotation for sure, and I'm trying to really figure out

why does lover boy have that? If you, like you hashtag love love, I would never call you a lover boy on seven Street because I know from our background, saying lover boy is like, it's almost insulting if you're from the streets, if you're from the corner. And I just don't understand what it sounds gay. They don't lover boys boys. Yeah, it just sounds bay money. And I'm just being honest. It just does get it though, I

get it, my nigga, it just don't sound good. It's like you know, you can just it's it's just not a dope name to me. When you listen to music by yourself, Let's say, when you listen to music by else, Because if I'm being honest. I guess I can understand why you wouldn't have that conversation with me, So I get it. I just don't like the title. Honestly, I didn't come up with it because you were here. Honestly,

I was looking at Drake's new album. I think that Drake, when you say lover boy too, he titled his album loverboy. It sounds like it makes sense. But I thought that it would be a dope conversation with you because I feel like, out of all the people that I consider a friend and I interact with, you kind of pride yourself on love a lot more than average person, to

the point where you hashtag love love. So but it's funny because when we say the term lover boy, right, it's like, that's not me though, And I really wouldn't call you that because of the fact of what it carries. Does it Does it have that same cond of text with where you're from, Pete, somebody says he's a lover boy or he's a lover boy. It can it's gonna it's either gonna be like, oh, he's emotional, emotional and

you know, you get to be a lover boy. You gotta be sympathetic to you that if there's a man, it means you're gonna have to be a little effeminine, and at least in the way it comes off. I mean, not like saying that this dude is at all, but you have to be relatable a lot to women. So it could come off as that way where I'm from, or it can come off as like, oh, he's a lover boy, Like he's, you know, some dude trying to

romance women up all the time. Yeah, So it could be a player, or it could be somebody in love. Yeah what and Pete, you would be the opposite of a lover boy, obviously that may be true. Yeah, it's do you think you're like emotionally scarred that's why you kind of avoid love? I don't think so. Would you be honest if you thought you work? Yeah, but I don't hold anything that's going on in my life to

any against anybody else. The biggest issue that has happened with me, the most emotionally scarring situation that I put up with, it was the type of a deal where like I had enough time, I wasn't in that relationship like that. So in this gap of time, I've learned to be really really just independent in like emotionally, mentally, all that kind of stuff. So now since I'm like, there's not a void of someone not being there for

me now anymore. So if you're there now, you've got to be a net plus and I just I don't see a lot of that. So I'm like, if you're not here, I'm fine. What you mean by net plus? Break that down to me. That's some economic terms. Yeah, I know, I know, I know, but I just you know, like that there's obviously compromises. If I'm if I'm starting off fine without you, the compromise has to break in

my favor for me to bring you on. I respect that you're gonna make my life better, Yeah, because otherwise, in a lot of cases, if you're used to having somebody or you want somebody or whatever, you only have to compromise enough to be happier than you just were, and you start off unhappy. I started off neutral at zero, so you've got a lot of ground to make up just to stay out of my way, right right, Yeah?

Net plus? I like that guy, That's that's a good point. Um, I just don't understand that, Like, um, We had a conversation a couple of weeks ago about confronting a bully, right, and it's with the hunger Asia, she says, a sweet art. But if you really talk to women, like I said at the end of that podcast specifically, was like a relationship is you getting with a woman like a woman trying to find herself and you have to you have to hold the flashlight yet somehow be able to navigate

your own space. Right, and somewhere I think people thought like that I don't like women, and it's like, no, what I'm saying is like, right, I will never see the true economic so most men, Right, it's fair to say that most men create an economic value for women, Like just like money, Like wherever nigga, Like if he ain't got no money, he's still feel good about it stuff because he got women. You know, I got all the women. Yeah, for sure, I got more bitches than

Youah right, So that's really valuable. I've never seen the value in that. And I think that's the clarific case, Like I've never seen the value in having a lot of women. I used to think that was a thing growing up. When I see how certain when I didn't have like when I wasn't really having women in a sense, you know what I'm saying. I see like how my brother used to get down and you know, they be on him and all. I used to think that was a thing too. Then when you start dealing with women,

you'd be like, yeah, that's not what it is, cracked up. Yeah, I'd rather just like it's it's it's complicated to just deal with one. I definitely don't want a plethora of y'all at all. That's that's almost suicidal. I think so too. I'd rather have six because at that point they only need to be a sixth of a woman, absolutely, and then you put all six together and get one whole woman.

Because I like my chances on any given day in the event that on any given day I want to spend time with a girl, I have a one in sixth chance of finding one that's not being a bit that day, and I'll take that. So for me, I think, uh, I like the sacrifice part of it. I like the discipline challenges of it. It kind of creates something for

me to work at every day. Um, I'm being honest, like, no, no, no, that's a that's one of great perspective and way to look at it, and it's true, like as a human being, it's like um, when I like to take things away from myself, I like to truly figure out how far I can go without things straight up, like I enjoy that. I enjoy that, And I think that's why I relate to the story of Jesus and the Bible, because I'm

like the discipline of it, the challenge of it. I mean, don't get me wrong, sometimes I can my whole life. I have felt horribly at times, but the times I'm able to really mash it out and become something great, like all the times I turned down threesomes, like I've turned down three some probably twenty times. I'm not exaggerating, and I and I and I genuinely want to threesome, but I don't want it, Like it's not something I need. So instead of getting something I want, I'd rather focus

on things I need. I've turned down five six MS, six and five girls at once. My home girl tried to give it to me for my birthday, and I just was like, no one man should have all this power. Man. She let's sound like a royal rumble famine. Lover boy which is the truth A six them right, that's crazy. You didn't put it together though you didn't put you didn't say what he said. Yeah he called your lover boy? Yeah yeah right. Ain't that crazy? Now? I probably would

never reference myself as that, but I would. I have to believe I'm a hopeless romantic, like no matter what

I've been through, I always believed in love. You're turning down six and you're helpless for real because and it's part of it is because one day I planned, right, I knew I was gonna be in a position to get married, and I don't want to walk into a marriage thinking to myself, life damn, remember that time I was with I already got to do that from girls I knocked down, right, So if the girl I'm marrying doesn't have UM, she doesn't do this, and I remember

this girl did this. It's already too many comparables. I think most of the time me and getting ship in relationships because they're dealing with somebody else and immediately they start comparing the woman they're dealing with and the woman that they're dealing with on the side. Now realizing the woman on the side is only like that because you're

only dealing with her in parts. She's on the side, so you're only dealing with a certain side of her, as say the backup quarterbacks always the most popular guy on the team. There you go. It's like Macaronian's cheese is a fantastic dish, but it's on the side. Now, if you lead the meal with macaroni and cheese, you

gotta add a lot of other ship to it. I'm just just sustain the whole meal, you feel me, And I think people don't look at it like that, Like you don't look at it like y'all like macaronia cheese is good because it's with steak, and I get it. Sometimes maybe you can look at the macaroni and cheese

and be like this better than the steak. No, it's not my friend, which is crazy because a lot of women have pride themselves on being a side chick because they would be like you ever heard a bit a woman and it's a good yeah, but you know talk about like, well, he ain't lying to me because she decide yeah, or you have the main chick supposedly feel better because she's the main chick, and I'm like, yeah,

but you on the side as well. You just have this way of looking at it because I feel like, if she's the side chick, then you're just on the other side that he may just spend a lot more time with. That's kind of like I would disagree with that in this sense. And it's also why I think that a man cheating and a women cheating is different. It is for this reason. If you're the main chick, you're a majority shareholder. If you're a side chick, you're

a minority shareholder. You don't have an executive vote she so you have equity. When you're the main, you got the name, you got the title, you got the joint checking account, the property and all that other stuff. All you're there to do on the side is get the nut. Even if the main no, because you've got some women that's the main though, that's aware of the side, because

the same same ship. And for all that. When when the main and the side bump into each other in the grocery store, it's much more viable for the main to look down her nose at the side because you ain't doing nothing but sucking, and she's spending with the joint checking account and the side she's not gonna look down her nose. Oh yeah, well I sucked your man dick last night. Yeah. Yeah, so at the end of the day, okay, yeah yeah, which at the end of day,

all the ships. It sounds crazy, but that's that's some real ship can be. Yeah, like both of you bich is just similarly like if I'm if I'm with this girl and we're together and some guy goes and fox her on the side, he has compromised my parameters. He has that on me. I don't walk back and go oh yo when she came back to me afterwards. No, he that guy has something on me. Now that's true,

that's true. But but by that same standard, don't you think that um men who like call themselves players that have twenty women, don't they have to be some kind of loverboy as well? Yeah? Like, think about you know the complications of women, right, you know how complicated women are. To be able to deal with twenty of them, you have to love women, like, you have to really really love women, right, because you know the challengehip Dylan just with one woman? Yeah, And I guess it depends on

the I don't know how to deal with them. So the fact that you would in the game exactly. But but what's what's unloving? Like what's unloving about having six women? When I had a bunch of women back in there for years, they were all right here, arms reached, no closer,

no further. So it's different in that regard. It was just a matter of it was stupid and out of hand because I'd be like, at the time, I had a job, I'd been working, all right, I gotta go do my female correspondence real quick, and I would just go through and and like if it wasn't for text message logs, i'd forget some of them. I just would go down til I got to the last one. How's it going, how's it going to the start conversations with keep it up? Or you're doing later this week? Whoever

it's free Thursdays, free Thursday. Rose Stay said, whatever, however the hell shook out and shook out, But yes, it was. It's it's cool to do superficial personality interaction and stuff all the time. One of them fall off, another one jump on. But the investment levels very low, so you you could be a lover boy whether you got multiple or just one. Yeah, right, Like, what's funny is right, um my boy, pun right pun with text like he

was like, yeah, gee, I got a strategy. Like his strategy to get laid every night was so he would meet all these girls, right, and he would lock in their phone numbers, right, get their numbers. Every day he would send a mass text message before you knew it was a mass text message, would be like, good morning, beautiful, and start the conversation, so the message might go out to fifty girls. Right. Respond he he talks to all five that twenty five falls into ten. He still conversated

with the ten, that conversation falls into five. Yeah, if we ever had a nine five sales job before, it's the exact same principle that cold sales used on a book of business number ratios. I'd rather buy some pussy before I do that. You rather purchase pussy? That's that.

That was what I have been talking about lately, before I do with that, with that just happened text in women, but on a mass text just all through all that, I'd rather that's like, because the only I'm not doing that, I'd rather buy the pussy if it Because you said his his main reason was to get laid. You know what I'm saying, So we're doing all that just to get laid every night? Yeah, yeah, I don't want to funk every night either, So you know, that's just a

different type of niggame. I think at some point it becomes a real question like depending on what you want to do, what level of companions if you want? Yeah that too. Like my take on paying for it at this point, I'm kind of like, I want to buy my time back. I think my time is worth more than hers. So rather than you know, spending ten hours of it or something for free, let me just spend whatever. And that's what I mean by buying the pussy, like

it's the it's the time thing. As a kid, I used to be like, trick, this trick, you know what I'm saying, because I grew up around niggers who claimed that, you know, they said they was players and they're like, we don't do this. But when you get older, you kind of have a different perspective on it, like why a motherfucker would do it? You know what I'm saying.

It ain't it's it's not because he can't get no pussy. Honestly, I think if somebody was married, I would respect a man at pay to cheat on his wife then to start a whole another relationship. I agree with the fact. I agree because once again you're doing something to where like you know, that ship gonna stay over there. It seems as crazy as it sounds, it's it's safer, it seems, it seems to be safe, more respectful to you know, it's more respectful to your wife, as disrespectful as it

could be taken. But yeah, definitely do that way because now you eliminating the emotion. You're eliminating the time, you eliminating all this the lies. You know what I'm saying, Cause a lot of niggas be lying into the side bitch too, like niggas to tell the side bitch, I don't have a word for you next week. I'm gonna leaving leaving for you next week. Yeah. That and to me, that's some ultimate sucking ship big time I've heard that. I know, particularly people who do that, like you leave

for the side like that's some sucking ship. Especially, it's just some sucking ship. Yeah, I would never like leave my woman because I like another woman. It's nine times out of ten, I'm not gonna like that bitch. Eventually, I mean, well, and I'm assuming of course, but for sure, I mean, but but you don't never say that, because

I don't think they ever thought that neither. See. One thing I've realized is you don't understand what other people are doing till you be in their shoes, like and I can't say for myself, I'm like, I got you, I got But one thing I've learned is like, why people do this ship they do. It's a lot, it's

it's a lot of times that come with it. But but I agree, like, like you're saying, like it's weird to me, no matter what I've been through with women, you feel me, no matter challenges and all of that. I've always believe that I was gonna get married. I always believe that it was gonna happen for me, no

matter the shortcoming. So I guess in theory that does make because I don't think I'm a romantic at all, like not not in the not in the book fashion of like rose petals on the ground and I'm not either. I'm like, um, I don't mind it. It's just don't. It's don't. It's not a part of me to where I don't. I don't like traditionalist. Though that's crazy that I'm not really a fan of. You know what, I'm a fan of booty shorts, wife beater with no bra. You can have a minding on it if you want to.

I don't give a funk. I like that regular ship. I like naked, you know what I'm saying, and that too, But I'm just saying like it's just like as far as like something trying to wear something sexy like a wife beat, there is some panties or whatever the thows you know. To me, that ship is sexy like naked. It is like thousand times better than lines ofate for me, especially when you're gonna become naked. I mean, even if I'm not like, naked is the ultimate for me, that

is the greatest thing in the world. Like I was telling somebody, I was trying to explain it, I'm like, women right now are using makeup to create beauty. They really feel like makeup is They really feel like beauty is in the makeup pack. And I'm like, no, Like, your essence is beautiful and then makeup enhances your strongest points. This is in the nineteen eighties. What are you talking about? Right?

That's really the truth, right, But now you got women going back to the Elizabethan days and trying to create a whole face a costume like a muff so it looked like a little Richard. It would be like the equivalent of like if you were a painter, you would paint white over something you wouldn't like and then paint your painting over that. On a campus, girls, it's like I don't like this face, I'll put so much foundation

over that. I can then put on the shadings and accessories and whatever else over the foundation that is, and then motherfucker's liking like Mr potato Head, they'd be looking and be looking crazy sometimes, you know. And what's weird to me is the beauty standard that's set today is so unrealistic, you know what I'm saying. And I just need to know, like I need to ask them because this this's been bothering me, right, and it's fucked up.

I mean, it's it's really messed up. You mean, get mad if you even you have an opinion about it. I can't tell them ship I've seen this lady. I was sixty years old and she had a body of a seven year old, and she thought that was hot, and I'm like, yo, nothing is hot about a sixty ye old with a twenty seven year old body. When you say twenty seven year old body, you literally mean she went, she she she put it together. But Dr Miami pieced that thing together, fem me like a convertible. Yeah,

she went and bought it. That ain't fly. I gotta. I don't say it's a theory, but like, based on enough direct observation and conversation I've had on this topic to where I got a little bit of a sample study, I get the sense that to some degree there is It's not true. Women always say women dress up for other women. That's half true in the in the context and to the extent that they do dress up for other women, it looks like nowadays, like what guys would

do back. You know, twenty years ago, we put a chameleon paying on the car with spinners and custom every goddamn thing on the car because you're stunting what you got on your car. Girls, now, if you don't have demonstrafully spent a thousand dollars on yourself when you walk outside, it looks like you are lacking. And I I stand by women do it for women. Some people are doing for the looks. Either do it to show that they have all the money, but was where it is right?

They don't know that right? And I'm wondering, is there a guy saying like, I don't know a guy who said, man, I love weaves. Don't get me wrong. I know guys who have accepted weaves. You can talk about a woman being beautiful, right, I know a woman. I know men who like like like me, I'll accept whatever you are and I'll find the beauty in it, right. But I don't know a man that's ever was like, g man, you know what I really what I really love is

when them girls got weaves. Man, when she got a weve, she the best looking thing ever. And or a girl. I remember a girl telling me like her man wanted her to wear makeup. And I'm like, if yo, nigga told you to wear makeup, you don't like that, nigga, thank you ugly? Yeah, y'all would assume so, because why would you. I used to tell you're gonna tell your girl not to wear makeup and you don't need that. One day I told her not to cut you off.

I'm sorry, bro, I said, you look like, and I know it hurt her feelings, but I was like, hey, you got too much of that own like you look like a corpse. Yeah that's true. Like you're doing to you don't need it. And and if you need, let's figure out another way to. If you if you were insecure about whatever it is, these blemishes or whatever the case may be, let's address that with some other ship. Especially when I do believe it's some holistic type of

ways you you can kind of attack that totally. But you know, she she was where she was at, and you know she wasn't. I just don't know. If there's a man out there telling his old lady you need to wear make up, we need to put him in front of a fine squad if the podcast like, I've never I've never met a man that told a woman, man, you see her nail. None of my homeboys we were somewhere and my homeboys said, and I'm trying to funk

with her, you see her nails. I've never met a man that was like I heard a guy say, oh, man, bro, I could never ever with that with her. Did you see she got regular naturalist eyelashes like that, I would never like you no, hell no, I never seen none of my homeboys ever. Was like, look you see her eyelashes. I tell you, I'm trying. I'm trying to hit that. And I'm like, so my thing becomes just like so, if there's men out there telling women like, yo, you

need to wear makeup, that's the wrong nigga. I say this much. Now you're gonna tell the motherfucker to change your face for sure. I was saying that I was at the tables with like four other girls in me, and I was having some variation of this conversation, and I'm like, no guy likes all that ship you do zero and this girl, to her credit, they all lined up against me. That's predicted. And I just was not in a position to to pull punches then, and I

dropped a nuclear bomb on the table. She goes, oh, yeah, but I bet when you're out in the club, you go after the girl with all the weave and all the nails and all the makeup. And I said, you're right, I do. And do you know why? Because she looks the best? I go, no, because that bitch looks like easy pussy with no father. That's why I go after Wow, Hey, ladies, and he's being honest. Christ And that's exactly what the funk I said, and the oxygen ran out of the

room in sneakers. I'm not gonna lie. If a girl is wearing weaves, her nails is kind of long, she got them fake lashes, she definitely is easy. I would think, yeah, she's gonna be easier. She's probably gonna be the easiest thing here. I mean, just because if begging for me to look at you, and that's what I hate to when they beg for the attention, to tell you they don't need your attention, they don't want your attention. Why you here? Did we went through this? And I don't

want to. I don't. But the tiny shorts of the sports Romanian left in the middle of the place speaking of Jim You like, they got these new pants chants. Yeah, and you even got the girls who ain't got the ass cheeks wearing them too. But yeah, it's these pasts that they in the gym wearing bro where it looks like it's damn They're like it's almost like your ass

out just gotta print on them. Like I'm like, they really in here with this ship you're in and you're being a real nigger in there, you like, they really in here with something like that on Sunday and they act like they're not in there for the attention. I mean they may be in the workout. No, no, are there You're you're definitely in there to work out. I'm not saying that some of them be getting it in. But what killed me is why do you do what

killed me? Is right? And why do you do all this to get all the attention and then get mad at the attention your requested? Like if you're going for sexy, somebody's going to offer you sex attention? What goal is for them to be like, see, I'm getting all this attention without trying, So then when the attention comes to them, they have to shoot it down to maintain the facade that they're not trying to solicit attention. And you know what's crazy. Have you ever heard a woman say, excuse me, dang?

When I get dressed up in all this, guys don't even be hollering. But when I go to the grocery store and I look busted, busted meaning maybe a bond it on, maybe in some slippers, sweats with a green green with a green sting, it's not wearing makeup and yeah, and he means yeah, and he owned the real you. Yeah. And some of them don't even comprehend that that guy might treat you right, he may even call you back.

I always say that that, Um, if you want to attract that kind of guy, right, you should do things that screen wife, like fucking don't scream wife. No, it doesn't sexy. Don't scream wife, screamed sex. You know what I'm saying. I don't think. I don't want to get too far away from what we was at though, because we're going to this ship all day. I just was thinking, like what so then at that point, what is a loverboy?

Pete Um? I think a lover boy, in my opinion and definition, is somebody that's just very much love and companionship oriented. And I've had some friend is like that that take their relationship very very seriously. They need that time, they need that support, they need the that they need

another party there all the time. It's like, I don't want to say it's dependent, but it's like it's it's it's integral, and there's nothing wrong with that's probably that's that's the typically, that's that's the typical human experience, you know what I mean, that's like the default human experience. I think a lot of people try to act like they're above average, and I'm not susceptible to those types

of feelings and needs blah blah blah. But I just think that the lover boy is somebody who in all honesty behind clothes, like when everybody goes home by themselves and look at themselves in the bathroom, or the lover boys probably the most honest man with himself. There's a very good chance that beats Yeah. Yeah, so you wouldn't a lover boy because listen, listen, no, no, no, no,

I understand why. I get it. I am. I just don't like how it's down, bro, And there might be something and if that's bullshit whatever, but it just don't like lover boy. Just I would never, like you said,

I would never reference myself that. But since we're talking about what a lover boy is and me being someone who loves love, who who who enjoys being in a relationship for the most part, you know what I'm saying, like companionship, you know, like I've always like when I was a kid, I used to I used to be. I can't wait till I get a girlfriend like so technically I will be that. I just don't like to turn my question. How old would you have your first girlfriend?

My first real girlfriend? Uh? Ship they got out of high school. I consider my baby mama my first real girlfriend high school, in middle school and ship like that. I don't know, you know what I mean when you buy yourself Definitely, like you know, she wasn't my real girlfriend. She did me dirty though she heard my feelings. Definitely was motion investor. She dumped me. Nigger? Why no one time? Okay, I'll tell you a real story. I'm tell you what.

Don't lie anither and don't try to make yourself look better? Keep it a buck? What about why she I'm saying, whatever the story is, why would I lie? Why would I? Because historically, because now I'm beyond these nig nig I'm for to tell you what she did that hurt my feelings. Let me get on these niggas. Let me get on the niggas because what what what niggas are doing is niggas are doud ship to try to make themselves look better. Nigga. No,

I'm frenna tell you hurt. My feelings haven't being hurt. I'd have been cheating. No no, no, not not not not. Okay, I'm gonna tell you the story, because all right, I'm walking out of class. When I used to go to John Muir, Right, I'm walking out of class. One time, I was that's that's Junior high Junior Hi, John Mayr, Yeah that's where is that that? Uh? In Los Angeles sixty in Vermont six in Vermont, Yeah, not the John Mr.

In Pasadena. So one day I'm walking out of I think it's English class, and you know, me and her just start going out and she was with this other popular girl, right, and girl, when I walked out, she the home girl seen me. And when she was with her home with the girl that I thought I was with that I considered my girlfriend. She said, girl, I go your boyfriend. And she was like that ain't my

motherfucking boyfriend? Like you know what I'm saying. And I heard it, but act like I didn't hear it because I was embarrassed that she said that about me, even though I thought this was what it was, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, that that that fucking it up true story. Like and I still continue that I gotn't hear it and want to funk with her though, Like even though no junior high, you know out, no, no, no, no,

I tugged it out with my baby mama. I'm saying, but I'm saying that she was doing bullshit like this that early any relationship, you ain't thet you thugging it out. I mean I'm saying, I'm saying, if it's if you've been talking to the sign Laddie says junior high and she was on some bullshit and and then you still at the high school. That's different versus no, no, this was just some junior high fleeing ship. Wasn't really that's said. I didn't really consider it a real relationship, but I

was emotionally invested. You know what I'm saying. I really really liked this girl, and she was like a girl that a lot of niggas liked. And I was kind of surprised she you know what, Yeah, yeah, because I was insecure. Yeah I was insecure. So um yeah she was secret in words for sure or not even secret. Didn't take me serious or some school ship. But the funny part is when I came to school the next year, she wrote me a letter and tried to get back with me, but I bought it up probably like a

whole year later. Yeah, like grudge, Yeah yeah, because of my my pride. It was my ego, like there's no way you did me the way you did me, because she sent there a little fat home girl to come tell me she didn't want to go out with me no more. While I was playing on the basketball court and I was crushed right, and I just and I just looked at her. I just looked at her like for sure, like I didn't give a funk, but nigger,

I definitely gave a funk. This was around the time where I was when the Bee came out, Because that's why every time that song come on, I think of this girl. Damn, that's crazy when these songs attached. What's the worst experience you ever had trying to be in love? Pete? What's the worst experiences trying to be trying to be in I'm gonna come back to you. I listened to go into that though. Why not? This is the this is the biggest share our shared with niggas. Man, you

shared with your brothers. I mean, I'll tell you all my worst story. I don't mind my worst story terrible, um not, like there was this one. I don't even know why. I think it was like I was far enough removed from the last relationship I was in to not really think. It was like a situation where I was trying to like phil a void or bounce back from that or whatever. But it was a couple of years later and I met this girl and I liked her a lot. But you know, at the time, I

had a lot of girls. So I moved to Miami for a minute for a job. It didn't really work. I was there for a few months. I was like, it's just isn't what they sold me on, So I'm gonna get out of here before it gets worse. But when I was down there, I was like, this is funny. It's the only time I've wondered what the girl's doing since my ex. So I kind of got like hung

up on this. Say. We were cool. We spent a lot of time together and whatnot, and she ended up I maintained it this day it was a misunderstanding because I would like crashing her spot on the weekends and stuff, and I was like moving from because I just come back from Florence. I was moving my ship out of storage into the apartment one day and I'm like, you know, you move in at the start of a month. You tend to move out at the end of a month.

So I'm like, I'll grab the U haul for an extra day, I'll move you out, and then I'll just keep it and move myself in. I didn't move into her place, but I moved all her ship out. And then I'm like, where am I supposed hat the ship? She's all to your place. I'm like, okay, so I take it there and I'm not thinking that it's gonna stay there. And then she gets a little where are we're going with this? She's all here, I'm like, you're

trying to stay here. I was like, all right, quite know you like me like that, so whatever, And that just it turned into a situation where it was so bad because I think she'll lie all damn day long. I could call her right now and ask her what the hell is going on with it, and depending on what Dad asked her, I'm gonna get different answer. Bottom line is she wasn't wanting me like I was wanting her,

and she was. She didn't want you like you wanted her, like like the Jake song, like what like the j Cole song I want You to Want Me? Yeah, it was like all the songs. There's a lot of hold up, alright, hold up, hold up, hold up, because you know you didn't say that this old time, but I'm with you. I kind of picked up what you were saying. So somebody that kind of forced you into a situation not wors you. But no, I didn't get forced into it.

Like I wasn't expecting that to happen in that time frame. I didn't have any complaints, Like I wanted to be with the girl that time. I didn't expect her to be moving in that What how that played out incinerated the situation badly because she was being with other dudes a lot. I was being with other girls a lot. She wasn't trying to be with me, and I really wanted to be with her. So that kind of a situation in close proximity of living together is going to explode.

And that's what it did, all right. So Joe, I got a twist for you because I feel like, what's the worst thing you ever did to a girl I was in love with? You see you love love. Have you ever did something fucked up and crappy or somebody else that thought you did something. What's funny is before I say that, right last night, that was playing as Lauren Hill song X Factor, and it's a partner song where she says, no, that's ships some bullshit, No that ship,

fuck that song and fuck her. I'm gonna tell you why X Factor. It's a partner song where this motherfucker says, ain't nobody gonna look? What's the part of the damn song? Ain't nobody on the I love you? I know I tweeted it. What's the what's the what's the fucking line of the fucking song? I have a lifetime band from Twitter, so I I don't know what real lifetime? He got a life? What's the fucking line of the song? That's hilarious,

my cousins to act this way. She's singing this ship and I used to really like that song because I used to be like many song is so dupe because I felt the pain. And then there's a particular partner song that made me realize why that nigga wasn't sucking with her? No one loves you more than me, and no one ever wins singing glasses. Use a motherfucking lie. It's a motherfucker that's gonna love me way more. How are you gonna tell someone they never would love you.

Imagine a man telling somebody that more than me, you know, you know they call that, they call that emotional abuse when like a man tell a woman at nobody gonna want you, ain't nobody gonna want you? But then she gets on the radio that that's raggedy. If you ever told a woman, if you ever ever toldn't want no

one to go want you? No, I just I probably say you're gonna have a hard time though with you know, with this ship you are eventually, if this ship don't work out, you're gonna have a hard time with this type attitude. You're gonna have to change that. And it's true, like I can't tell you no one gonna want you because that would be a lie. But how is she gonna say, no one loves you more than me? My mama had me, And that's why her asked is that's

why she's on that bullshit. That's why whoever that man is, it might have been white Cliff. That's why they wasn't working with her. How do you think that is some funked up ship to say to somebody, no one loves you more than me. How do you know how the next motherfucker loved me? And That's what I'm telling you. Love fucks you up and you just start saying all kind of bullshit. Yeah, feel me, you just start saying bullshit. I dated a girl one time, right, and this girl

was super duper like head over heels from me. She was head over heels from me, and I really liked her. Feel Me used to call her Boston. I used to

like her. Head used to always joke. Head was like, Man, I'm telling you this girl right here, Man, I'm telling you, jeep, Boston, this is the one because she is from Boston, and I would be like, okay, Um, I liked her, but I think I had broke up with a girl that I was with the longest, like my first real, a real relationship, and so I was like, really in a messed up place. So I really wasn't trying to commit

to one girl. But I did like this girl and she kept pushing on the relationship, and um I started dating her anyway, and I started being with her anyway, But it was never I was never in a good space to where I felt like I was focused on her, like I would give her my attention, but like I was still looking at other girls. I think what it was was, I think me and used women to heal, right,

because we used women for celebration. Me and used women like people use alcohol for every aspect of life, celebration, ship bad, you're gonna with some pussy, right. So I was going through so much at that time that I was using women. This one I liked, but I wasn't mentally clear enough to focus on her. But I liked her, and eventually I just started feeling really really really really bad, really bad what I'm saying, like damn, Like she really funk with me, and I'm dogging her even if she

don't know. She didn't know, like I wasn't mistreating now, she wouldn't come to the house finding condoms. She wasn't. It wasn't noneing. I just knew inside that what she wanted for me I wasn't. I couldn't at that time, or I believe genuinely it wasn't there to give. It took a long time for me to heal after that situation, right, not that one, but the first situation that messed me up and I had, I had like so I just start feeling so bad about myself, bro, Like so bad

about myself, Like, damn, you just dogging his mother. You're sucking all these bras and this one right here for me. You know what she's getting from. You told her you're gonna be with her, and you can't even do the right ship. And I finally got up enough nerves. I was trying not to talk to her, so I tried to do the like back door like let me not, I'm just gonna gooster and she would call me and I would not answer the phone, and she just started putting so much pressure on me about it right and

tripping right. So I finally like I worked, I woke. I worked up enough nerves to tell her like, look, I can't be with you. And I did it on her birthday at her party. WHOA, that's how much longer I couldn't look at myself in the mirror, Like she was like, you need to be in my party. You don't be at my party? Feel me? Like she was just talking crazy, and I was like, yeah, ILL need to really in this because I'm not treating her right. You know what I'm saying. That's really how I felt

like I'm not treating her right. And I go to she has it at the uh what's the spot cousin Hollywood where they ride the bull, Oh, Sadur Ranch, because you have it at the satur Ranch or Sunset. So I'm like cool. So I go to the Saturn Ranch and I got head with me because and somebody else, and she's like, I'm so glad you came. And I'm like, look, I really came here. I'm I'm in a really fucked up place. I can't be with you, like I'm not doing the right things by you, and I don't want

to mistreat you. She was like, I don't care what you're going through. I want to be with you. I don't care if it's girls. I said, no, I can't do it, like I can't look at myself. And when I tell you I left it, she was crying. As good as I felt. To be honest, it probably was one of the worst things I ever done. Like, and that type of dilemma dog was like next level and

that would definitely make a nigger a lover boy for real. Yeah, because I hadn't been in situations where I felt like this ship funny because the whole lover board thing, you know, it's hilarious funny how you started conversation. You're like, I ain't know, I still don't. You still don't like me here because you out a lover boy. No, that's not genuinely. I would consider myself a lot closer to a lover

boy than most people. Yeah. Yeah, but no, I've been in situations where I felt like I love the woman more than I love myself. Your sacrifice a whole lot of ship, and you would disrespect yourself almost as far as like not being honest with yourself and speaking on certain things. Yeah, it's where you like because you're trying to cater to them. They feeling you feel me with someone because you feel like you're doing them aft it get weird, bro, you know what I'm saying. It gets

real weird. So I mean, yeah, that's one of those things were like Nolladays, men and women want like equal roles and shares and relationships and stuff like that, and like that's the real thing. I mean, like, if you think about the reality of the evolution of a species. If the woman dies carrying offspring or with young offspring, the offspring are going to die. It is evolutionary in our DNA to protect the woman and the offspring to our own detriment for the survivalship of the species. That's

true across mammals. I agree, we are mammals. So back to that point, it threw me off, like something that I felt like was super super super um like I thought I was being righteous turned out to be the worst thing I've ever done. I ain't that crazy, and I really love the girl. Wait, so what the worst thing is because of the timing, No, just the fact that she was hurt by it, she was devastated. The damage that you caused her by honest would have been

worse than the damage we would have caused her. Continue to damage yourself, because so that's what I feel like. That's but that's why I feel like that's the perfect time to become selfish. That's why I think sometimes being selfish can be a game. It could be a plus because you had to do that for you, even though you still felt the way about it, but you needed to get that you lifted something off. But at the same time, you still walked away carrying and now like

so I will see her. I would see her like maybe a couple of years after, right, and she just was devastated. She was never the same, like you know what I mean to the point like she was never and I think that's something I carry with me. And I was like, yo, I never do that again, or do no ship like like I'm not fucking nobody because I'm not fucking nobody that I'm not going to be with. That's that day. I actually never thought about it, but

that day changed my life. Are we wrong for fucking people that we know we're not gonna be with you? I mean, even if you don't lie, That's what I'm saying, Even if you don't lie, you know what, This a woman a lot. Listen, let me tell you, because nigga's are nutting a bit and still act like, well I never told her I wanted to be with her. This this is the thing she think you gonna want to be with and when you do that, well, this is

the thing, right, this is the thing. So when you really put it together, women feel like they can change you facts, right, so they might funk with you even though you ruugh around the edges because they genuinely believe

they could change you. Yeah, there's a conflict inherently between integrity and all's fair and love and war, so to speak, Like if women believe blank, or women all lie about blank, or the lot of themselves about blank, or whatever the hell, I don't think it necessarily resolves the principle of the initial question, because you know, like if you know good and damn well and you were like, even if you don't say abundantly clearly, if you're like, well, I'm not

gonna tell her that we're not gonna be you know, on some you know, technicality ship man, that's you let her think that, you know. So what was the right decision? So to know that I'm doing her bad? I'm even though I have every bit of emotion for her right,

every bit of emotion, the time ain't magnified it. That was did that was that was really fucked up because I just I could have lied, And what happened was I wasn't even trying to be for say, that wasn't your intentions, But that's why I said the time and though it was very light, I thought it was was weird and my funked up here. I thought it was honorable. I'm like, yo, you know what. And I wasn't even tripping that it was the birthday. It was like, I need to get this off because I need to get

this off my chest. I need to be honest because it's killing me to do somebody like this that I know that's in love with me, and I really funk with you know what else could have possibly been going through your mind or even subconsciously the fact that it is her birthday and you don't keep in one hunting and then you spend the time on his birthday and then the next day you know what I'm saying, because she could be at the birthday, like you know, you might be like this is cool, and then it's like

now the next day, No, it's not like I'm cool on you. But it was a lose lose when it comes to that, and that's the truth. And it was like I carry that and that from that day. I mold it my whole another part of my life, Like, yo, you know what, I'm not gonna just be knocking down no girl that I'm not gonna sunk with. That's not to say I'm I've since that day to present day. I've done it effectively every time. But I'm telling you, man, when I tell you, I didn't probably miss hundreds on

top of hundreds of girls at this point because of that. Like, if it's something anything in you that makes me think I'm not gonna sunk with you like that, I'm just gonna pass. You care about her enough to not do that. Yeah, and even if they don't care for their self enough, No, that's true. Hey, I've I've done that, bro, Like I'll make a quality decision for a woman that she won't

make for herself. I've hung out with it certain chicks like It'll be like, you know, if you you're cool with it, right, you got a certain amount of respect for because you said something about like have I done

something that made something like you know what I'm saying. So, before I was in a relationship that I am in now, I went on certain dates and communicated with a woman or two for a significant amount of time, but I never expressed that I wanted to commit and she, you know, it was obvious she wanted to funk with me on

that level. But I knew already that I wasn't trying to go because I was just honestly trying to see still with my options word you feel me, but so a part of me never, you know, had sex with her knowing I could, because I knew I wasn't fit the pursuer in that way, and I didn't want to end up pursuing her. I mean, I didn't want to end up doing that. And then eventually I'm not working with her like that, and then I see somebody else that I want to funk with like that, and now boom,

I'm I'm I'm in a relationship. But either way, even though I did that, which I felt was honorable, it's still it still wasn't appreciated on her end. No, and it's and they'll never appreciate it. Like that's the reality. The reality is it's so many girls and I'm not lying, bro, that want to give me some pussy. I guess so many women that want to give me some pussy. It's so many women I protected from the raft. That's the l O like the real nigga and me that really

don't give a funk. I have protected women and I'm talking about a lot of women from that person for because I'm nigga just like everybody else. So but it's certain girls who tried to do things to give me some pussy, and I'm like, I just was nice to him. I treated in respect, but I kept I kept the dick away because in my mom I'm like, yeah, I'm not working with you like that, but that on me, I can't be cool and decent to you. But again,

girls don't be respecting that. They don't think to themselves. They don't think like, you know what, maybe this person is not ready to see me in that light and he's not gonna do that. All they like what pissed them off. They worse than niggas when they get turned down. Oh yeah, have you ever had a girl trying to fight you over not there? Yes? Yeah, expend the major because the same thing. Like I mean, most girls don't look at me from a cross room go oh my god,

I want to funk him. They're look at me and go or we'll talk or whatever the hell I oh, he's like so boyfriend typewriter, Like everyone wants to be in those long ass but no one ever wants to just funk me for the weekend and not call again. These women, they say, so I'll be like that was We're gonna do. I'll hang out and see what's going on. And just because we went out on a date, well, how the hell else am I gonna know? So I was around you for a couple of hours, blah blah blah,

and you know you want to do whatever. I'm like nah. And it's just like that because they look at that extra time you'll put in continuous dates and all that, that's like, Okay, it's something other than No, I'm just I'm hanging out because this is what I choose to do. They take that like this is just a date. That's why they called it a date, because we're hanging out on this date.