Conversation About Lil Nas X

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and Pilser is the Spirits beers. Okay, it's a beer. Yeah, that looked like a like like a real type of MA liquor. It's supposed to kind of have that country kind of moon presentation and stuff like that. It's uh, it's got a cartoon alligator on the label. So what else do you want? Hey, guys rail So she back and of course king the engineers back. We got him for another week. This is crazy. We gotta pack ins and next year now because I ain't no telling where

he gonna be gone. Yeah, you're right about that. Yeah, man, So this is what happened this whole week. Crazy, Okay, yeah, because I didn't know about it because I was expressed it to you before. But so somebody asked me about him. It was like, yo, you know, do you think little nos X is? It's like bad for kids? And I didn't really answer the question. I was like, like, how do you even answer? Was bad for I don't have no ship. Life is bad for them, little bas everything's

covered out. So he asked me that I think he was like a part of the agenda for the l g B t Q, and so I didn't retweet him. I just tweeted out I said I don't think little nas I said, Little nos X isn't a puppet for the l g B t Q, Little nos X is a puppet for white supremacy. And then I started to elaborate on Twitter, like, yeah, his artist just corny as fun.

It's all of these pop ideas rehatched in black face, gay black face, so people, you know, it was reading and some people agreed, and then they got a hold to it, and then Little Nosak saw it, so he retweeted it. He retweeted it with a concept that he calls ratio, which is saying his power and internet is more power, so he's gonna get more retweets and likes on what he says. That's kind of roughly what the concept is on the internet. So he he said that

he used it a part of his marketing. He used my tweet as a part of his market This is day seven or something and now I'm puppet for white supremacy. And as his fans saw it, they started filling up my mentions with a bunch of Oh, you're homophoon, you're homophoonte yo. It's it's crazy to me that straight men feel me still hating on the young black man getting money, and I'm just letting them go off and they just go crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy. Meanwhile, the original tweet is

picking up steam. So dude was cussing. I said, man, you can ask me what I mean versus just mislabeling me, Like I could just mislabel anybody. I could just call you Ray because you're white. He's like, why I haven't did anything racist. I said, well, I haven't did anything on my phone. Why are you going after little NASAs? You know, you boosty t I And I thought to myself, like,

so we're just black and wrapped. So we're the same person, like your old ass black ass, you know, conservative, liberal democratic, old school to go to the church ass, you know, all that kind of ship. So and I see what was going on with the baby, even though he didn't have nothing to do with it specifically. I saw what was going on with Booty, and I saw what was going on with Tia, but I really didn't give it

creating because their stance is not necessarily my stance. Um. As far as Little NASAs like, I tweeted him, I tweeted him back. When I see him retweeted, I said, hey, I said, you corny, little bro, and I pray you grow out of it. That's a good friend. I wish and he just felt so like I could tell it bothered him. And the reality is this little nas action is a talented gift to young man. He's tough. I

mean he old Town wrote is a fantastic song. The other songs aren't as good, but it's tough to still make a song as good as that. But they are pretty decently composed records. The ideas are executed well, the visuals are wrote in these very good stories, and he uses his brand well. But again when I'm talking about him being a puppet of white supremacy, a puppet as

an entertainment piece, got it. And so I was comparing him to Bert Williams right, who is Burt Williams is one of the biggest black face actors and he's a brother, and he was a super dope actor, super successful for me, but he could never get a ton of opportunities and

other films. And it was people I would imagine at that time that felt like Bert Williams right was a good actor, and and other people defending him like when he's a great actor, and I don't think they figured it out, just like the people coming to me that didn't figure it out. And Charlotte Magne told me some real ship. We popped it up. We was popping it after that, just chopping it up about it. And he said,

g you just didn't read the room. And he said everybody was gonna compare you to everybody else what they were saying. And I said, man, that's a great point. I was like this still, crip, I don't care. And that's what matters. What was little nos x crip ratio. What the irony is? The irony is he didn't realize most great black men don't get a ton of support, right, That's true, and it goes the same I think for

black women. Yeah, yeah, well you know this ain't you're you're trying to talk all the time, but just not black folks in general. But you know, specifically, the black man means the black woman. I mean, I guess I would, but that's what it really means. It don't mean just you know, black black. Okay. So, so you're not subscribed or you're not completely subscribing to the Prime Minister of Canada's humankind reference because mankind is too gender specific based

off of humankind. So people kind I'm sorry, people kind of you man right, I don't know I'll get it to all that silly ship that the wifolks got going on leave correct in honest, like you said that little Nozax is a puppet of white supremacy, not even a puppet of LGBT advocate because I don't think I don't think I'm gonna tell you a secret. This is a little bit of insight as well. The LGBT advocacy in it of itself was a puppet of white liberal supremacy

and totalitarianism. And that's a fact. And I have some serious questions, like like just Joe gay guy, or like the most urgus, random individual trans person who works at Macy's at the cash register, whatever the hell else does that common person in society who could get through their

day without probably being bothered. Maybe they can, or maybe they're trajector maybe their trajectory is so that they can in the future, sometime in the near future, when political advocacy groups thrust you into the quote unquote demilitarized zone between North and South Korea, so to speak, in the political spectrum, does that make your life easier or harder?

That's one of the real questions I want to know, Like do do you as a gay person, as a lesbian, as a as a transient person, as as as a bisexual or whatever that whatever it is that you want to be under that umbrella is your life made easier by the fact that there are a lot of political adversary machines with a lot of money behind them, thrusting you into a very adversarial position just for you to

go through your daily life. That's a question that I have about that entire thing, because I don't trust the motives of it when the motives of it have obvious political benefits and obvious monetary benefits tied to them. That's actually brilliant. But the concept of white liberal supremacy is an underrated concept that people don't want to speak up because liberals don't want to speak about it because they want to act like it's just conservative. Like, no, it's

left wing. Right wings are very decentralized, very different. But all people in general, to a degree, I believe, are decentralized for sure. So long story short, I was referring his art like, so right, Bert Williams, Right, all he was doing was dressing in black face, right in real time. Everybody didn't look at him as a cool. Right. See, it's this false narrative that, oh, he's a coon, because again, looking at yesterday with today's eyes is different. It was

people who respect acted him at that time. I mean, he's a black man. So he's using charcoal or whatever they used to darken the skin some more, to exaggerate the features. He's a black man acting as a white man acting as a black man. Well, that's the point, right, So he has a it's the cherry lipstick to make his lips look even more red because our lips are red, and his swagger was over exaggerated to over exaggerate how we act. Right. That don't take away from his talent.

He was a talented actor. But again, at that time, people didn't look at him as much as a cool as we do today. We look back at that time and be like, y'all, motherfucker's it's cool. Well, I think that's the same thing for this little dude. The reality is, this little dude is over exaggerating the lifestyles of a gay black man here right for their entertainment. It's not really like we're not getting a true idea of what it's like for him to be a young black man.

In America, a young black gay man in America. Like, I think he's trying to do it metaphorically, but I think he can do a better job of telling his story of his perspective of how it feels to be a black gay man. Well, I mean, it's nothing wrong with exactly. And that's the that's where yeah, that's where it gets weird to me, right, because it's like it's like, um, you're over exaggerating all of the concepts, right, All your

concepts are parody of themselves. Right. The music itself is good to decent two good Old Town Road is great, fantastic fire, right, But you're doing the same thing Bert Williams was doing. So even though today we look at it, they think he's some kind of trailblazer, like in the future,

there's gonna be a bunch of minstrel shows. And I'm like, no, people don't look back at this time, and they're gonna be talking about him the way they talked about Burt Williams as far as his art being corny, right, watching the videos, because I watched them, right, I just showed him to you again, right, is the ideas are all right, the ideas are I have to watch because as a creator,

you always looking at everybody else creating. It's almost like you you you keep an eye on everybody you're competing with. You know what I mean to make great art, And he's nothing less than a very sharp artist. He knows what he's doing and he's really good at understanding the trigger points of arousal, like as far as you know how people what things go viral, he's he's a marketing genius to a degree, has a genius marketing team. Either way, right, I think it's him because, like I said, I think

it's a combination. I think it's a combination of both. But what it is is his ideas are just rewrap pop ideas and black face A question for you, how about comparison looking retrospectively at like another and different character, different perception and everything, like how does black America perceive fifty sixty years later, Sammy Davis Jr. Well, So, for the most part, he celebrated to a degree, But there's that corner of people that feel like some people thought

he shocked in jobs. It's not a big corner, it's a small corner. But I don't think this is different. Is there room for a modern day camp to that in this space similar to naas Puff, Puff is Sammy David Jor elaborate that that was a hot take a black and tan. So why do you why? Why? Why? I mean, Puff is the cool guy. He's a cool guy, multifaceted, multitalent branding genius. His brand is through the roof everything

he represents. Puff represents. Puff is modern day Sammy Davis Jr. As As a brand himself, he is like, just look at how he carries himself. He's the cool guy. Cool. Yeah. I mean, but I think what separates Little Nosis and why it's not Sammy Davis Jr. And is closer to Burt Williams. Is Sammy Davis Jr. Still maintained class Sure, So sure's people who are like, ah, he too cool with the white folks. Are he way too But he still exusted. He still was classy, like Puff is classy.

And at that time in history, like there was an assimilation movement kind of going on. It was like the MLK Civil rights movement of the sixties was let us integrate, let us be a part of the Communist Party of Society or economy, etcetera, etcetera. Etcetera. And he was kind of almost presenting an image of a generation into the future, so speak, and in that regard when that of it before Marluther King realized he was tripping by the end of his life and he was changed his mind. Um,

and people people always forget that. They always talk about his I have a dream speech. But his views did change towards the end of his life because integration was never lose. That's a whole other thing. I don't want. It's still not the solution, but because I think people who want to live around each other ship and people who don't just don't. But this is the thing, right, Um, what makes him different than Sammy Davis Jr. He just don't have class. I mean he's not totally classless, but

he's tongue in cheek all the way through. Sammy David Jr. Actually was like classy. Yeah, I mean we just looked at him a little crazy because he was always hanging with the white folks. But he was very much a classy act and and and a and a you know, a beacon of the future. Lettlensac is more Bert Williams because of that, because everything is overexaggerated at a time. She is one thing, just being at the moment. Elton

John is gay, but he's not fucking corny. Oh, I would absolutely encourage you to go look at Elton John in the nineteen eighties. I watched John and I watched his outfits and everything. Okay, see, see it's a different It's a difference between being loud, right Is that just a preconception because he's white? Are you just racist against little nonsax because he's black doing this versus if he's white like Elton John doing this, it's okay because you

perceive all white people to be gay. No, okay, what about like a Freddie Mercury for example, fucking fantastic Frank Ocean. I'm not going to do because it's not I won't even entertain the concepts of me hating homosexual people are being scared of. I'm not trying to go I'm just saying it has nothing to do with let's try to seek the best cop. Sure. Sure, I'm saying for his situation, he is kind of the first one at this level. Oh yeah, and the way as far as as but

the thing is all his ship lacks. So that's what we're not used to kind of like a musical route. Paul I would say, to an extent, in a sense, I thought he was a gay black weird Al Yankovic. That's fair because like his music is not really like weird. Our music wasn't digital, huh was original like Little Naza, It's not all his ship is not ultra original, you know.

I mean, like, you gotta remember when Little Nasa first came in because he was selling us on the country Ship, and we got mad because we had a brother that did a dope song and we wanted them to exclude. We fought for him. Initially, it was like, how y'all going to exclude him out of the country ship. He has a country song, You got a rapper, y'all want to be included in this. So we wanted inclusion in that,

so we all far from him. But what happened was when he got in front of the world, he started doing things that was tongue in cheek. Well, this first song was, but it was good though it was it was a song. It was because he wanted to make a country hit and he that that young man went in there and he made the best black country I have ever heard in my entire life of three. I mean, maybe it's four. And I like Daddy Lessons too. That's a good country. So maybe so maybe like four songs,

maybe it's not much to choose from that. True, but the point I'm saying is it must be talking about l a country. Huh No, it's black countrymen, black country. It's like four songs Texas. But but the point I'm saying, I don't want to get lost like y'all with so No, it's not that I just think all this ship is tongue in cheat. It's like like it's all the stretches, all in exaggeration. The thing that make it decent is

rooted in his real life. But the thing is, if you want to brand yourself as you know, because he's going out his way to ran himself as this gay, black you know artists. So when I'm tweeting him like or, what I'm saying is asking for depth. See the thing that made Elton John Sam Smith, and I hate that they're all white, but its depth is depth to this answer the question, Sure, what the fuck is Sam Smith? I mean, Samuel Smith is a is a beer maker

that I enjoyed, But that's Samuel Adams. No, Samuel Smith. Samuel Smith makes beer too, he makes better beer, and sam Adams not no, no, no. Trust me. It made me think of DAP is like Sammuel good motherfucking choice mother. That ship is bad ship. But listen, So the funny part is I'm saying he should just tongue in cheek.

It lacks so and it's so weird there for us as black people to see somebody without because that's the whole pitome of the black Even even Michael Jackson, who was the king of pop, they say had soul, Prince had soul. The problem with this little dude stuff is

there's no soul. That's what making corny. And the reason I'm saying he's a puppet for white supremacy and he's an entertainment piece like a puppet, fear me, and he's up there doing it and he's not really telling anybody the struggle of what it's like to be us and everybody don't have to don't get me wrong. It's it's you know, Jason Derulo makes pop music, you know. But again the problem is, Jason Derulo doesn't do anything to gain my attention, either I like his record or I don't.

It's not a video where he's pushing forward. It's like little Nozex went out of his way to make sure I saw his video as a consumer. So my opinion on his content, on his brand, like I was asked, it's just what it is. It's again, it's like you can't criticize a person as a homosexual without being one, because it's like, oh, well, you only don't like him because they're gay. Well it's not I don't like him. I think it should is just decent. I'm not impressed.

I don't want to listen. It's nothing to do with he gay, because I can listen to Stay with Me a thousand times. I can listen to rocket Man a thousand times. I can listen to fucking Being in the Jetive thousand times. I can listen to the Old Town Road a thousand times. But the ship he's putting out now, it's just not as good as that. And that wasn't you know what I mean? That lacks so so again for me to challenge it creatively. Sure, some people just

don't agree. People just happy with what they get. I mean, if you like in Sync, I'm not mad at you. I just think all his ideas are in sync rewrapped in the black gay package, without the without the brilliance of Max Martin. An observation here on the parallel, just taking a step back, I'm looking at things from you know, a thousand feet so to speak, probably a lot higher than that. Um No, I'm not high. That's what I thought you were talking about. Unlike other individuals on the podcast,

right now, you are right game whatever. After this, I'm a transition to King. I think he's thinking about that shower scene. I'm thinking about these levels. That's that's our consummate professional in the corner. Like the way with a video, the way that you perceive this video is not dissimilar to the way I saw a country when it first came out, and looking at it as far as like being a vehicle of white supremacy or a vehicle of like at least a greater like white power driven left

wing political apparatus. It's, let's most kind of send a mole. There's an obvious antagonism towards masculinity in the country. I don't think that's particularly debatable at this point. Um sure, for the sake of art, at least I believe so yeah, so let's take a stab at the country music community, which is in our way. Wow, how we do that? Well, it's a lot of white straight men. Well, let's send a black gay man in there and and poke a hole in there and create rust and tarnish on the

side of that wall. What's another group that stands in the way of this, Well, black straight man in the hip hop community boast masculinity at the highest level. Let's send this guy over there to go corrode that. I'm not saying he's a plant. I don't know. I'm like I said, I'm not in the student of the guy.

I don't I don't know the guy's life. I don't know what how much of his product is the root of his own mind and how much of it is just he's got enough talent to well, I see he's writing the videos, so he's definitely writing the treatment to the video, okay, which I believe genuinely he's making the

songs based around the video ideas. Sure, and he might be definitely and and and maybe he independently is an activist mine who sits back and looks at it and goes, well, you know, these are hurdles to my viewpoint or my agenda or whatever. I'm gonna go make hit records that go polke holes in them. But to say that there's not a connection or parallel between the two is it's

hard for me to ignore. I agree, country and hip hop definitely were the two most masculine genres of music for the last fifty years, for sure, and now that is pretty crazy. But I wouldn't consider him a hip hop product like he's a pop product. I think people naturally hear some moody rap wouldn't consider him a country automatically, but there he is. That's a good point. They did stuck him in there, and the boy did the joint

with him, Billy Ray CRUs Yeah. Yeah, and then Billy Ray Citruses subsequent generational clone did the joint in this one. True Harlow. Yeah, that's a great point. I never thought about it. What did you think of the video? Okay, because you would only want to have us that's been a prison. I've been to jail a lot of time, probably close to ten time. I've never been a prison. I talked my happening that was happening in prison. No, that's not what happened in prison. He's just a bad

role model, that's all. I don't know if he's a bad role model he is, because I just as far as that conversation, as much as I try to stay away from the gay conversation because honestly, I'm not educated on it enough, I understand actually what gay is. But you know, I've heard different tastes. Right, people are like, oh, well, you know, kids could see that, And then I'm like, y'all, don't care how many gay men I've seen. I'm not

fucking with no dude. You know you you really gotta be gay to be gay, I believe, but there is And somebody made a point to me because that that was my point. My debate was, I don't care how many kids you show a man fucking a man. It's a different commitment to take dick as. I don't think any issues something nobody. I get what you're saying as far as marketing, but I just type of you know, lifestyle, I just don't. I just don't know if that really matters.

I don't know if I agree that that matters. Like and I think a lot of black people this is probably where my opinion is different, where it's like I just think being gay is a real thing. That ain't like I mean for girls. Girls fleft the line all the time. For girls, Yeah, it's like it's no real consequence or they don't. They can't even I've had this. Women can't women just trying to get two Women can't even have sex, bro like based off what sex is

for real intercourse like intercourse. Okay, you push my button now, Okay that thought I said. Women can't really do it so their idea of gay. But for a man to be a homosexual man or a bisexual man, yo, you have to commit to taking penis or giving penis to another man. And I just don't know. I don't care how much you show that two kids. I just don't.

And maybe I'm looking at my own reference. I just don't imagine seeing it and be like, that's what you're supposed to do, Like maybe, I mean it can't be that. Here's here's what I disagree on that two points. And I'll preface it by saying, and I'm I'm even trying to genuflect, like my own personal pencils were all clear. I think if you want to be gay, that's great.

I think that the fact that they're just like a bit of culture with trying to say everybody should like me as you know what, even like you if that's what makes you happy and a better person than please, but all means, and I'm with, I'm with the whole concept of nobody should have to like you. They just shouldn't be able to funk you up but do something to you or discriminate against you, exactly. And gay people do not need permission to exist, just like women do

not need permission to exist. People do not need permission or do or anybody or any anybody on this earth. And I think that people go into a concept where they feel like they need permission and validation to exist. In my personal experience, I've dealt with that in the past and I overcome that to the sense of self acceptance is what matters. Do I like my art? I'm a creative as well. Do I like the art that I created? And if he's happy with his art, then kudos.

But what I like about Glasses this point is that Glasses, you're saying he can do better, and so I think that that is great advice. And I'm going to agree with that that you can't do better If he wants to. If if Nasax wants to do better, then he will. And hopefully if he does want to, he has that advice from Glasses as the O g to give him that and then and when he makes that content, I'll be the first one to support it and say this

is fire. Right. Thank you know, thank you for you know, taking the time to listen to my opinion so we know it has nothing to do with being gay. Good music, right, I think that ships long since sales. Okay, yeah, well I'm getting confused on the conversation. What we're talking about, little nas are gay acceptable? Not acceptable? Beautiful Prince is gay? Yeah, Princess bisexual. Particularly every black person that hears his podcast is gonna argue me down. Prince was gay. So his

prince was gay. He did really, really really reek of gay. His resume with women is unparallel. It's like talk about for you to me, gay and bisexual the same thing. But again, I don't want to It's like if you if you just yeah, it's not I don't want to sound uneducated on it. But if you need to add the extra numbers, fine, that's cool. Whatever. I'm just saying, if you're a man that sleep with a man, you're you're gay. And if you sleep with women too, you're

a man, you're still gay. That's bi sexual. But but again, I don't want to get into that because then I'm gonna have to argue with them about that whole thought. And that's the way. I don't want to have to do that set up. I don't want to because I have a different theory on that. Like, so that's just different. But what do you saying, I'm agree with you Pete and disagree with Glasses. Well, I'm saying, though I think people gay, I think there's really a lot of people

that wouldn't be gay. But because the trend of being gay, it's just a weak minded thing. Because I know, for instance, I got a cousin he passed away Rest in peace because he wasn't from like my mom and my uncle and stuff, and he was like a step child. We treated them so bad and pushed them to the girls that he ended up being gay. But first he tried to play with us, but we kept saying, oh, no,

you're too light. Skin did, yeah, you skin did, And we pushed them to the girls and we watched this because he tried to be around us running and stuff. But because we was like, oh, you're not really with us. You know, you could put somebody in taking penis ill people could be But you gotta remember, if you talk to a lot of gay people, they're gonna tell you how abused they was when they was young. Yeah, well,

I don't say a lot stories. I'm gonna tell you I heard a lot of I heard a lot of stories, and I'm going to I'm going to speak and anybody want to say something to talk to me. Council culture, I'm with that. They tried to counsel me many times. Stop you every time you go to the WEK. Hey, they put me in prison twice and try to stop me sexuality and still didn't come out gay sexual I don't you think sexuality and psychology, Yes, it's definitely some.

It's definitely a ton of mental aspects to it. There's there's there's two obvious components to it. I think in this context it is that my concern with the nature versus nurture argument on it is there's not a lot of it. Like you can go look through the research that is being done, and there is no shortage of funding for LGBT advocate. See right, you can go look

up and down. There's not a lot of credible research labs that are doing real heavy lifting on examination of the human genome to determine the gay gene or anything like that that would suggest that you're born that way. And there are there is research being done on pediatric heart gene type, and that's genealogy. There is anything you can think of previous positions for. There is human genome testing and examination being done. There's not a lot of

credible human genome examination being done in that regard. So that kind of makes me feel like it's a lot more nurture than nature again whatever. Like like I said, I think that's really the debate nature versus nurture. Like

somebody the sociopath or somebody the murderer. The psychology standpoint will be is a nature versus nurture in one with a lot of You can examine the physiology of the human brain and determine there's over over accentually there's chemical imbalances, or there's over accentuation of this portion of the humans brains anatomy or deficiency of development this portion of the anatomy. Whereas like in this regard. There's not anything that's that's

substantive in that element. I do think it's probably more so on the nurture side. And again, like the simple fact we're having the conversation. To me, I think as a problem because it's like, if it whatever makes you a better happier person, going ahead and be a better happier person talking other people's lives up. It's just persistent, but demand. I understand what you're saying. But it's the professionals. Like I had a professor when I was locked up.

I was going to school, college and stuff, and I was taking a psychology class. Yeah, they don't have it no more. Trust me, I'm the last of the dinosaurs. But coming out its not coming back. I had a professor. It was a woman, and we got into it. Almost got kicked out her class because she was telling the people in the class, us all men, that it was okay in prison to take on a male and female role and then when you get out you just walk away from and not being gay. I said, that's bullshit.

And so when you got professors and teachers, Yeah, because you got when you got professional teachers psychologists telling inmates it's okay for you to be a woman, and it's okay for you to be a man and have a relationship. But when you get out, you guys gonna go back to being men. And I'm saying that's bullshit butt, But but you're telling these people something that's in your mind. It's okay in my mind. Two guys, fucking it's not okay. Let's say no, no, no, no, but it's but no, no,

it doesn't have to be my take. It's not okay to me, but just listen, but just listen. But I'm not homophoonon and the reason, okay, So the reason that's just a weird Why is it not okay to you? Why is it not okay to me? Because I don't think as a man. I was built to another man. But that's how you were built, Yeah, I think. But well, dicks right? You like hold? Do you like Fords? What cars? I'm like cars? I think no human beings should drive forwards. I'm a Chevy Man, mom love for it. But that

don't bother me. Somebody don't want to drive a Forward or something like that. I'm saying. Imagine me saying, because I'm a Chevy Man, nobody, no that's not that's not even the same. That's not even the same. You're stretch You're stretching on something mechanical and man made in preferences to something that you like, you say it was born and saying that's from nature. So you talked about something different like fish. Yeah, you know, no, that's something different.

Let's suppose hypothe for the sake of conversation. That is totally fine, And that's okay just to attack the person teaching that class in college because professors I love attacking. Don't give I'll bring around here tomorrow. She was really to me, She was really to me. She was really stopping to me, telling the people, stopping life itself. You know, we uh post procreate, you know what I'm saying. And a man and man can't procreate? Do you feel like

that with men and wear condoms? Can a man wear a condom? Say? Do you feel the same way about me and wearing man who pulls out early and runs to Here's how I feel, That's how I had, that's how I finished. Here's how I feel about that. If you can't, if you can't afford to have kids, then you shouldn't have kids. And so if pulling out wearing a condom is going to stop you from having kids. You can't take care of them. That's the smartest thing

to do. Then what do you say about in who just But again, if the conversation is I look at men who don't use cal like damn niggas tripping but out here like that. But if the conversation, but if the conversation is rooted in because it's unnatural like you're saying, or you're saying because it's pro life than anything, that's anything that should offend you just as much, because sex would be probably in that category oral sex. Yeah, not sex, it's not life. Pussy up what you mean? I'm saying?

So that even though that's unnatural? Right and what not? But wait? Wait, why is that that's two lips and lips isn't unnatural? Alright? I'm okay, what about a penis? What about getting head from a girl? There ain't two lifts and lips in Okay, Now that's another story. So do you feel that's unnatural? Do you look down that they did? I did at one time, and then I changed my mind. So what if you knocked down something, man and you liked it? No? I haven't knocked down

on man's not what I said. No, but you you were saying if you did, and I can't say I would because I haven't. But you changed your mind on head because it felt good. No, I turned my mom here because I got circumcised when I was later and I said, well, this is a different feeling. But I'm saying I was like, this is nice. Yeah, it was like, oh this is nice. So then where do you tell a game no good? Now, I can't tell another game man what he feels like. Okay, but I'm not a

game man. I tell you. I can't tell you how a game dude sucking my dick would feel and how I feel A question real quick, and at least this is going off trail face. The professor said, if you're you could be like a like take on the persona of a female, like a relationship a man and woman. Leave it, doesn't you don't carry it with you. No, they don't care what They'll be straight. They will never mess around and do ten and you walk out at

thirty and you did nine and a half. In that way, do you think, in the practical application of that theory that a person can walk out of there and actually not carry that with them. No, I don't. I think. I think if you was gay, if you was gay in there and living a life like that, when you think nobody's looking and drunk or something out here, you're going to do the same thing. Especially when you look

at the transgender people now that look like women. You think they're gonna stop after they say, oh, you feel so good and then the dick pop out, they're gonna stop. No, They're gonna probably keep going what what because they probably because they was used to sucking dudes in prison with dicks. So if they come out hearing me what they think is a woman and say, oh, yeah, I'm a knocker down, then find that at the end, oh she got the dick.

You think they're gonna stop if they was hitting them prison. I'm saying if you was hitting in prison, if yeah, just to say if you yeah, if you get if you're hitting in prison, you're not going to stop because situations like that is what happens. Now. I'm saying, what, I don't believe you're not ahead like in the event, this is an extraordinarily hypothetical scenario because it's very difficult

for this to happen. I'm sure it's happened. Though. If you're say you're married, you are married at two, you get locked up with twenty five, you're a female partner inside, and the sexual relationship to your thirty five when you are released and you go back to your marriage because you're not fucking then a man at that point, you're

getting sucked by man that the man is. Yeah, the female partner in the relationship that you're professor describes leaving them and going back to the relationship they were in prior to incarceration. And there's not going to be some sort of issue there. It is because let me tell you some of the stories, because you know, I messed with a lot of girls and stuff before stuff and some of the stories they're telling about guys now, some of the stories they tell me about God, not guys Nowadays.

There's a lot of guys like they have ships stuck in their But this is what a lot of girls tell me. Okay, I can't say a lot, but you know a lot. You know, I messed with strippers, I messed with all kinds of people, you know what I'm saying. And the stories and so the stories that they tell me. The people nowadays are going in that direction because look at the trend is saying it's okay to be games, okay to be open. You know what, I can't stay myself.

I took years trying to learn phonics and all that and with nouns and pronouns. Is now you want me to tell the motherfucker by a pro Now call them them and in him. And it's like, that's what you gotta do now to transgender people, they don't want you to call them her or you gotta use them in because but I don't get it because now you're teaching us bad language. It's not bad, it is bad language. So what they're saying, it's just like how they nuances.

It's like it's like how they talked about Christopher Columbius. Now, yeah, what they talked about Christopher Lumbia is discovered America. No, that has never taught me that, But that was the concept. Well, you never accepted that they might have tried to teach you. You did not accept that learning is like it's something the pronoun is. The purpose of the pronoun in the English language is to not have to know everyone's specific name.

But this is gated or is it it's gender related? Now, yeah, I know it's that they're using as gender name everyone's specific name. And there are two genders of the pronouns. So now if you have to know everyone's specific pronoun, it defeats the purpose of not having to know everyone's specific name. You might as well just know everyone's specific name.

At that point, everyone's just actually, but you don't know what everybody's gender is no more, and you don't have to use their name at all times, and you know that's great. I don't personally like when we will use my name. It makes me very uncomfortable. I'd rather get her off the show now out. But with that being said, I'll I'll take anything besides the first name for me. But if the next person likes, whatever, the hell. I

don't know. If somebody comes, if somebody come to me saying him, I'm looking at like him, you're talking to me, you're calling me him, that's how I'm a react, I'd be like, that's great, just say yeah, he did that, Peter did that. No, because he did that, maybe there's some you mean him him did that? Now he him did that. That's specific in the court of law. But going back to what you were saying, Um, you're right, man is not gonna mess with another man in the end.

Well that's that. But that's all we're talking about about. I don't really want to get into this whole conversation because this this whole conversation got so many subdual curves and turns, and it's controversial. But I can speak, I could speak on that. I'm not really worried about the polarity of it. I'm just saying it's like, I don't have any statistic studies. I just know for myself, like I just don't believe, and then y'all make it some points. I just don't believe you could just be gay as

a man. I think it's I think it's really a choice. I think it's a choice because I'm gonna give you my scenario. You're gay, you really probably are gay. I don't I don't. I don't think you could just like be partially gay. I think the pressure there there's some Rick James, I didn't put my fear in this couch, y'all, this couch kind of there with the way you said that, I don't think you can just be gay. And if you're gonna be gay. You gotta just be gay. Like

what I'm saying is I'm sorry. So I'm not getting out my thoughts. Gay ain't something you play with. Oh yeah, you can't play gay. Can't tell my story, don't care? Yes not dog To take penis as a man or give penis to another man, it's a different commitment. It requires you to have some even if you don't have the conversations with nobody else, the conversations you gotta have with yourself is what. Really? Can I speak on this? I'm ready to speak now, can't speak on this? Okay.

When I was locked up for a while facing murder and the people I was in there already done prison time and all that, and they was telling me, you've got life sentence coming, so you ain't never seen pussy ever again. So you might as to start this thinking about sucking boys and ship up in there. So in my mind, you know, I'm already disconnecting to the world outside.

You know, my girl left me, nobody's visiting me. You know, my whole world is becoming prison and so just what that pressure had me thinking about it, Like, you know, maybe they're writing stuff. Maybe you know, I'll never get out, but I want to be a prisoner, and this is what prisoners do, you know, this is what it's supposed to be like. And so dude, they was like this gay dude was in there, and they was like, okay, he'll suck your dick because you know, I'm talking about

get my dicks up. And there was like he's cool with it, he said, and suck your dick. And I was like, okay, yeah, man, it's crazy. Well that's a whole another story that I want to tell you how it came out that Okay, here's what happens. Here's what happened. I'll make here's the truth. We'll be playing cards. This dude has some feminine ways, you know, and we'd be playing cards and he had just girl ways. So one day, me and my partner was just sitting around and when

I said, messed with the girl that was transgender. We're sitting around, said let's go scare such and such upstairs, like just act like we gonna rape them. So okay, let's go scare him, you know. So we go up there to scare him because and we grab them and my partners start really pulling this pass down and I'm like, you know, and I'm like whoa you know, but now like Ship, I'm in the middle of a right now. But dude, yeah, no, what you do pull this pan

and put this dick out. I was like, I'm like, oh, you know what I'm saying, like, no, I'm thinking now. I thought we was going up through a scare and playwood scare him like we gonna teach, you know. He was taking it to the next level like he really like I grabbed by show. But dude, this how God works. Dude said, oh no, you don't have to do that. You should have just asked. I was like, oh, thank god. I was like thank god. You know what sounds like,

thank god because I didn't. I didn't expect that to happen. And I was just gonna scare because he kind of soft, you know, like they will get your ship right. But no that it was really going to rape dude. But do said no, man, no you don't have you just have to ask. It's okay. You know I'm gay, you know. I was like, oh, Ship, thank you God because no rape case. So that's how we found out dude was gay, you know what saying. That's how we found to do this guy. So dude was like, oh yeah, I'll suck

your dick. So so this went over a whole month period. Now, so the first time, I was supposed to go up to his room and get my dick suck. So I smoke it some weed. I go up to his room. I walked in the door. Do the see there? Hold on, hold on. I walked in there and I looked. It was a black dude. I walked in there. He had a full beard on it. I just looked and just turned around and left. Say so I went back and I said, man, dude, I can't do this. Man, this

dude got a full beard. He said, okay, well, you know, just relax and stuff. It's okay. Somebody else, no, he said, he said, we're doing I'm saving this beard to try to you know, because I'm fresh meat, like I'm I've never I'm fresh meat. I've never done this. So the second time, do said, no, I met. What you do is you stay in your room and you look at some magazines and stuff, and you know, because I have porn on Max, and then you have do come in

because you're all ready to go and stuff. I was like, okay. So I'm in my room looking at my baby. Well, that's what I say. It's a choice. It's a choice. I was trying. I was trying to I was trying to be gay or fit in or gay whatever. So yeah, trying to be gay. So dude, dude, come in, dude, come in, and I just like, and do. He said, you've never done this before. I was like, nah, I've never done this before. And now I'm standing up with my knees not knee toads curl then feeling in my

fingers looking down at the ground. I feel like the punk now because he's you know, he's he's calling me out now, like you've never done this before. Yeah you know what, gay man calling me out like? You know. I was like nah, But he said something to me that I know that like you said, you have to be gay inside because he said something to me that stuck with me through my whole time in prison. He said, if you never done this, don't ever start. This is what the gay dude told me. But that made me

think he wasn't happy being gay. You see what I'm saying. He it wasn't happy. So he's telling me, don't you ever start? Because I went to prison and became gay, and so he's telling me. And so from that point on, I knew that you could. You don't have the fund dudes in prison to make it because I was forcing myself. I was forcing myself to trying to fit in, and it just it just wasn't me, though. But it just

wasn't me. It's really my point, my mental state though, and this is mental is my point, Pete like, and this is that goes back to the point I was agree with you some people, but that's what some people choose to be. To be gay is a different commitment like you have. It's not something you can play with. You don't dabble in and out come out of it. It's like whatever is there, that ship is there, you

feel me. So even if whether it came from MAC that way or the operating system got corrupted, I mean to make it function different than than than than how I function. You feel me is different. But but I've said this a lot of times about men who, like most men who enjoy here too much. That's a mental thing. Something is up with your mind that I was telling me that, I'm like, bro, you you way too on your old lady about getting head like and she gives you pussies, Like, I get it if you like it,

but I'm really think it's about some man dominating. So but that in and of itself is the psychology that the predicated psychology is in nature nurture question in and of its own. Sure, So like that that was kind of the point I was getting, like, like, maybe you know your path to that day and the other gentleman's path to that day are different, and what may have happened. I've seen people break. I've seen dudes that was hard going your embraced. There was a break on my junior

college track team who who I didn't notice. I thought he was like an angry off black militant dude from Riverside who was just angry all the time and really really really fast and strong and he and he was like had a real problem with me. And one of the guys that I knew from like a whole another area from like high school track was like, Hey, it's the gay dude running today, and I'm like, we don't have a gay dude. Yeah, the fast guy, I'm like him. I'm like Terry Crews over the area, not like he

just Jack like big, like angry, brooding dude. And I'm and it turns out like I knew a lot of people from his high school, and I guess he got put into um like juvenile when he was in middle school or earlier high school and and got you know whatever. So subsequently he was he was gay afterwards and had a lot of ultimately, we we we were cool. We had a pretty decent friendship from me. He subsequently committed suicide. So, you know, sorry for Anthony, God bless you. Um, but

it's it's it's an interesting to me. I look at it as like I don't know the psychology world that much, and the psychology, even in the study world, is very abstract. You know, I can bring one on the well. I'm curious, doctor, I'm curious like you. I would like to hear people that say that they was born gay, you know, talk, because everybody I see always talked about a story happened to an m R. You know, their mom's Keith. Keith taught me Keith Brown, my boy, Keith, they should do

all the videos at Universal and stuff. He told me he was born He said he never like girls. You never seen girls and thought they was attractive. For me, I'll act like, are you from a mom that were you had your sisters? Are you know things? I started asking those questions active committing to take peters I do because how many girls you been around? How then if you act like a woman, Because I think it's plays on weak minded people. I think it really attacks weak

minded people that came into the pressure. That's president. You have to understand that there's a difference in the concept of sexuality and gender. So we will have that discussion and table that because that is a very important discussion. I feel like that's a good point because professional here that can really kind of guide and steer the conversation.

That a lot of health and I'll be honest, a lot of that pseudoscience anyway, casional with the PhD. And they're going to point to a lot of stuff as well. They go go to a book. It's a lot of serious science. So you can bring in a lot of stuff and say, well, based off of this their personal experience because they look at the research and is but the research is pseudoscience, is my point. So I got to figure out what pseudoscience means. Means it means it's

no ceilings, is my experts. But they say I believe, I don't do I genuinely some people were born okay, I believe that, right, that's obvious. Like I know some people were born gay. I was not born. Right. Um, you're not get your girl. You can't even be gay, bro, it's not even possib you can't. A woman can't be gay like a lesbian. Is that they have a different type because they're a lesbian, you're not gay like talent or a fingertown who doesn't think a woman is awesome? Exactly?

Can we do a hand clap for that? No. Sexually, women that want to be men don't think women is awesome. Yes they do. The copying is a flattery or whatever. Copy so they might admire men, but that don't mean that. Again, this is a whole another conversation because this could going to a whole nothing. What I don't want to do is spending too a whole bunch of ship because they're already gonna be talking ship because KINGO doot, there's there's about eight minutes of my but I'd like to I

like to crop out of this well. We got we got about five more minutes, about sixty minutes. I just it's been sixty already, its minutes been rolling. We want along, Oh, what's I don't know. I don't really edit like that. It's just yeah, it's just yeah. But my thing is, I don't know as far as little nobjects back to the original point, it's like, again, because of my criticism for him, it immediately he was above criticism because he was a homosexual. If I'm not a homosexual, I can't

criticize it. That almost. I wonder if this is how white people feel when they're critical of black person. Yeah, I was like, which I've never agreed with that, Like, if you're critical, you're just critical. I mean, like, and to disregard somebody's criticism when it's not rooted in the particular topic, it's just intellectually lazy and it's and it's problematic. Like I mean, I've always kind of like to think that that's about what you're making out on my whole podcast.

It's like, if you're not black, you can't talk about you can't provide an honest criticism to something that's going on in Black America. Well if you because you don't, you don't have the personally, I mean, you can do whatever you want, because you don't need permission to. Would you be able to give a realistic yes, how it feels black if you work with coke or so, let's sell you, let's sell It's still limited, though, I see what you're saying, because I do think you have some

general and genuine concepts. But I keep telling you it's like nuances that you really kind of. It's tough to give credis too, because but I do I definitely, but excuse me, never and definitely I have never, definitely not respected your opinion or try to censor your opinion. But but I'm saying the criticism of it whatever it is, right, if you're critical of it, I have it because I have to listen to know what you're thinking. But I

do think So. I was talking to my boy j right j B cutting my hair and he was asking me about like he asked me a question to me that felt crazy, but I knew it was coming from a genuine space. So I answer this question. He said, Hey, gee man, he said, honestly, can I just be honest with you? I said, He said, yeah, I looked out for a lot of people. I know a lot of people.

Um Jay said, he said, man, I hooked people up and every time they would give a brother from around the way a brick, right, they were messing up like it was always something he said like that don't make sense because it's not a part of the coach. I said, okay, so this is where it is, and this is why it's important. Like right, if you think somebody's a homophone, if you think somebody's are transferred to talk to them and asked them the question. Everybody is not intelligent enough

to have the conversation. That's another thing. You have to be our ticking it. So like when you asked me that, I said, this is what it is. I said, you're talking about people would like from a converse, very poor mind state and the poor being. I said, but more than anything, you're asking someone to start a business. And I said, if you give of America a business to start and you don't watch over it, they all failed.

Selling dope is an independently owned business. It's not like I told him that the same person you feel if I took him the gym and they showed him the job, they'd be there every day on the time. That make the best out of the situation. But to give people the opportunity to start a business is a different conversation. And after I explained it to him and I and I explained it, he kind of got what I was saying.

I'm like, I get it that it feels like it should be natural for us, which is probably some biggest, biggestry that ship. I said, but everybody from where we're from is not a d boy. Because a dee boy it's gonna be a good business man, real one. It's gonna be great at business. He's gonna be a diplomat. It's a few things I can tell you every d boy is gonna be if they're successful at it. So back to the point, instead of people attacking, like even with the baby like in his whole thing, he didn't

apologize one thousand, two hundred and seventy six times. My issue even with his conversation is the AIDS part. It could have been considered ignorant. I don't know if he meant AIDS, if you have AIDS, you dine to three weeks, or if he was just referencing if you don't have AIDS or some disease where you dine to three weeks. That could be COVID Um, I wouldn't be upset if I went to an Elton John concert and he'd be like, hey, you know if you are, if you suck dig here,

make noise, I wouldn't feel excluded. I'd be just waiting on Bennie and the Jets. I just wouldn't make noise that time. I was gonna say, would you make the noise? Though I'm just saying no because I don't sug so. I don't know why is it in America? Right? It's this concept of inclusion that everybody's desperate for inclusion. All I don't want is all I don't want is discrimination. Fuck the inclusion. You gotta include me, and nothing got me, just don't get in my way. And I think with

little Nozaks again is back to that point. And the more I think about it, and I further th thought, you know, thinking about this content that I've consume, the songs I've listened to, it's weird for me to watch a black person who lacks soul. His music lacks soul,

everything about it lacks soul. Hince what I'm saying, he's corny, right, the whole point of him being you know, a puppet, right, like a puppet for entertainment, like a muppet baby for white supremacist because that's his music sonically, is for pop people. He's not making urban jams for us. It ain't like he's trying to push it onto black people. That ship

is pop music. That ship is for mainstream America, who the majority of that population is made up of a d seven percent white folks who really want to listen to it and enjoy it because they feel really really good about themselves for enjoying a gay, black male artist's song. They really feel good about themselves when they get the opportunity to do that. Watch up this Glasses Malone. This is Peter Boss and you checking out No Sillers Podcast, the greatest podcasts in the world. Go back listen to

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