Conversation about Gang Bangin'

really it. No, I'll tell you what it really is. What it really is is he turns all the lights off in the room and puts a bear trap in the middle of the room, and then I walk into a dark and get my foot caught, and then we start the podcast. That's really how we go. But because most of the time I realized I was telling Kingdom, I was telling king that a podcast ain't really an interview, it's just a conversation. The first time I did a podcast, as I did The Brilliant Idiots, and um, I didn't

know what the fun was going on. Charlotte Magne was like, Yo, come through my podcast, and I'm like, what he's like? Just come through. It's like it's like radio and I'm like, okay, whatever. So I jump out on them somewhere else in New York and they were just talking ship and I was like, damn, this is just weird. So they like introdug blasses. Yeah, blah blah blah, you like just jump in and I'm so we're just talking ship and yeah. Yeah. It was

just crazy as hell. And once we left, right I looked at the Breakfast Club interview and it had so many views. But then I looked at the Brilliant Idiots podcast views and it was like people was blowing my Twitter up talking about content. I'm like, what the funk is going on? And that was like my introduction of podcast. Um. I think Joe Budden's kind of was podcasting on tour, probably in like two thousand eleven and twelve, but I

didn't know what the funk he was doing. But the first time I heard the title, it was with Brilliant Idiots, Um, so I thought that was crazy, But no sailors um glasses low my boy Peter as usual king on the Engineering Ship and um, my brother, my boy guilty man, guilty is my partner man, Guilty of cold player man, cold real smart, savvy businessman man. He's smart. But what I always liked about Guilty was he's still always with street,

you know what I mean. And I think street has a negative connotation, but when you come from poverty, I think being street is so imperative. It's just like hip hop me. I mean, it's like jaywalking. It's it's how you get things done. So I thought that was cool.

It's the deal thog gil oh Man out here trying to get back wiggling and open the world back up, you know, trying to pick out and uh see what's going on, See how we're gonna survive and thrive, and uh look for what's around that bend with with all the changes that are happening in music and in retail

and the other areas that it affects me directly and financially. Um. You know, I think like one of the one of the primary things that I'm hoping everybody was taking from the situation in this last world is that you you gotta have you gotta be standing on five feet, you know what I'm saying that, because if they sweep one, two, three out from underneath you, you you can still stand for a little bit, you know, and a lot of people haven't been uh investing or trying to develop different streams

of income. And this year what they did is they knocked their feet out from under them, and then they gave him a chair to sit in, and they say, Okay, now here you go. You know what I mean. You don't need your legs because we got you. You can lean on us, you know, and we're gonna get you through this. And I think that's a I think that any time you you you allow somebody, you know, that's like you don't take you don't take something from somebody

in the penitentiary. You know what I'm saying, All money and good money, you know what I'm saying, some things ain't for your benefit, you know, it's just to wrap you up in the debt, you know what I mean. And so I think that that's there's a lot of

that going on. And so with that being said me personally and just coming out of this whole situation, what I took from it is that I need to, you know, I need to make sure that the I got as many things going on, as many things cracking and bubbling and lucrative as possible teaching that to the young homies and anybody watching and listening or trying to learn from me, you know what I mean. But man, that's that's that's that's the mode. That's that's what I'm on for a sure,

night and day, day and night. I mean, you've never been a pimp? What's that? You ever been a pimp? I've done things, I've done all kinds. You talk like a pimp. I was ready to give you the money on my right now because I was like, just Nick trying to break me. What the funk? I'm not no motherfucking procecute. That was the tightest ever description of the flaw with the whole close you down and bail you out.

You know, I don't even print I don't even want to ask you how COVID went because you just nigga. We don't even need to do the rest of the podcast this reader's digest. So in other words, you're not working with Delta. What's that Delta? Delta? You know? My my thing is that I believe that these variants are gonna keep coming, these strains are gonna keep coming, because they're gonna have to put our back to the wall

on this virus. You know what I mean, whatever it is, I don't really know the why because my heart don't work with that kind of evil. You know what I mean. That it takes to do the kind of things that that that are that are taking place in the world right now, you know what I mean. So I can't even really focus on the why so much as what and how and how does it affect me? You know

what I mean. So, um, I'll tell you this. I've been touching money this whole time, dog, and I've been I ain't been licking windows or you know, doing eating gum off the ground or anything. But but I but I ain't really been running around in a rubber suit neither, you know what I'm saying. So I've been living my life and I've been doing my thing, and um, you know, I've been just trusting. And you know, my girl is real good about smoothies and vitamins in the morning. She

loves me. She treats me like it. You know what I'm saying. We get because nice sleep, We go laying a rock or go lay on a rock, get some sunshine. We do all the things that I believe my body is needs in order for me to be the strongest that it needs to be for whatever is out there on a daily basis, whether it be COVID or Delta haters or hate or anything else that you up against. See what I'm saying, I get exactly what you I got in the first five seconds. But nigga, your detail

is spectacular spectacular. Um. So Pete was tripping right, Um, it's all this crazy ship going on in the streets right now. Like right, it's a ton of gang wars and ship in the l a um, A lot of crazy shit happening, you know what I mean. Like it's I mean, it's always crazy shit happening, but I guess it feels a little bit more crazier. But it's probably not. Um. But somebody asked me the other day, it was like, gee, like, man,

what do you think it's wrong with gangs. I'm like, well, you know, gangs is a response to like oppression and poverty. It's you know, it's just a typical response for people don't feel like you're giving them a fair shot to get ahead. Um, at least from from from our angle. Um. But he was like, you know, what's changed. Something's changed, And I realize most people are not growing up in the neighborhoods or in the area or the sections of

which place they are claiming. It's like, motherfucker's is going on the college campus tour through different sets. What's because of black flight? In Los Angeles? People don't talk about black flight. Flight is a real thing that's happening, and so exactly right, So you have people you're laughing, well, that's the real thing. People get the funk out of here. But people is leaving right in. But people are like joining sections and they didn't grow up in that sector

at all. So they come and they're like they're like, all right, which which sector do I want to be a part of? And that's just the weirdest thing to me, because like, how do you how are you willing to kill and die for something or somebody you don't really know?

And I think that's where a lot of the fundamental core values as these generations is because when you haven't grown up, like you said, shoulder the shoulder with somebody and seen him through the best and the worst, it's real hard to go do that, do that dime, real just go hard. It's real hard to go ahead and risk this life, risk this time for this person when you don't even you haven't even really developed that kind

of a relationship with him. But because it's a lot of its plastic and surface and social media and everything else, it's really just the image and you know, claiming the fame and fucking holes and looking good. Yeah. Um, well, I saw you on Live earlier this week talking about this, and I don't want to dive into your lives. It's all good. But and something I've father mentioned this a long time for there's not money on the block like that anymore, as you were saying, and that was turned

into amateurish because it is amateurish. You're doing it for the love of the game, and you're not defending your block to get access to this park or this corner or whatever, because there's a purpose to be there. It's just to be there to be there, which is my part too, right. So what the young nigg is right, that's coming up in the culture. They're not actually a

part of the culture of that sector. So you have a lot of a lot more foolishness within than you ever seen because it's really strangers and they're all trying to build a relationship behind a false identity of a street sign or a bandanna, when that never was really the identity. Initially, it was the family and friends you grew up around, and you know, somebody mom and daddy. It's like ordering the Thanksgiving turkey sandwich from Subway without

the whole Thanksgiving. It's the whole Thanksgiving, the holiday and everything that was going on in the people surrounding it that made that sandwich what it was. Yeah, people trying to expedite that rapport like I don't have grown up with you for ten years rapport, so let me go do something to get a reputation so I can have, you know, like microwave reputation. And that's a say that again, Say that again. If I don't, if I didn't go to elementary school and I know you and we have

that bond, I show up out of nowhere. You're trying to create like microwave reputation. So I gotta go do something extreme crazy. And I'm noticing that right with different people where you know, whether it's you know, marking on the mural, whether it's just these really extreme acts that don't really make sense per se. It's so much, it's so many easier things to do to build the same

reputation and get the same respect. That's you know that that falls within the line of you know where people still gonna have a level a level of fear about how they interact with you, because that's all it is. It's about making sure people are gonna get you enough space to do your thing. Um don't know game and we want to kill everybody. I mean, if any gang sat around and try to plot the depth of every one of day, you know, the rivals, this is a

whole different conversation. It's all for survival. You know, everybody is killing and shooting for the most part out of survival. And you know they said the goal of aving war is peace, and so people people for the most posts because for the most part of if you were left alone and motherfucker's weren't coming around here with that bullshit, and if you were just able to do and move how you need to be a lot less to that that bumping and grinding that that uh you know going on.

But again, because it's rooted in poverty. Right to pick off what you're saying, we all sharing very limited limited resource wack video that I sent you, right, Did you heard the part where he says, if you win, if

you overwin, you begin to lose. I like that, and and and that was one of those really scalable observations that I liked throughout that things like if you're engaged in but like you can look at Hitler, you can look in Na Poland throughout history, there's all kinds of examples where yeah, you can have a conflict here if you march too far, it's not that you over extend yourself and said, now you've you've over wonder the point where now you're you're pissing off everybody, be around them,

not just around you. So you're you're gonna get this. You know, that's a great point of what's happening right now in in in the city. You know what I mean is somebody did something very extreme. It's like you over one with that. You did weigh entirely too much. So now you know you're watching ship happened around people, even one person particularly you're watching ship that he's watching

it happened around himself, and he don't realize. No matter what, whether or not it's a direct response, you're still a catalyst to the energy. Like it's a catalyst to the energy. I mean, like ship's happening around you, and you don't know that You've awakened all kinds of different entities to be more mindful of people of you and people from your community, and emotions are invisible you A lot of times you don't know or understanding see what's being felt

about you until that action takes place. And depending on the you know, the individual and the wisdom of the vindictiveness, of the level of extreme they're willing to go. You know, you don't meet their emotion until, you know, until it's a drastic situation. And I'm noticing situations that's happening, right, I noticed. You know, if if you started all out war,

I wouldn't. I don't think you should publicly cry if something happens, if somebody becomes a victim of that war, you know, I mean if if if you start a situation right and you like going out your way to get out there and be the catalyst, and then as the actions execute, why are you sad at that point? Yeah? I think even from a psychological warriors perspective, that's a weekend approach to war, you know what I mean, you

should have never let them see the sweat regardless. So so I think that's what's wrong at the entry level. The entry level of of of of the street ship and gang banging always was bad because you know, the culture itself is very inviting. You know, it's about taking people who don't have a home or their home made structure correctly and bringing togetherness. So it already fragile at his earliest exception, but now it's even worse because you have strangers, you know, trying to pick up a culture

that's already limited. I mean that that's that it was already fragile at the gate in the first place, walking through the gate, So now you're letting all kinds of other people in the front gate and there's no real bond. The other part, and this is what I was talking about on my life, was when I came up, my older homies made they living in the community. I mean, they was hustling whatever they You know, every grown man wants to feed his family. I don't care if he's

a gang banger, I don't care whoever he is. He wants to, you know, make a living and feed his family. Don't nobody not want to do that? Um, And when I was coming up, you know, moon Plug, Shady Fats, Tone Man Boo. They earned the living right in the community. So they were a lot more hands on with me, with Jay Psycho, you know, uh fifty slow Ron Ron Russ. They was all more hands on with us. You I mean,

it was like always around, you know. I mean, it was always somebody there to get you know, consultation on the correct do things or better advice versus my generation who would be in those positions. Now none of us make our living. There's no living to be made in the community as far as like um, the way they was with hustling and those opportunities, those opportunities and people ain't smoking rocks no more because they're getting their life together.

How much of it do you also think, like to go back to your point of not being there, and you know, I always got to tie in the discipline consequence spectrum. If I live in some hundred unit complex and Bellflower, but I want to go Rep. Swans or something like that, if I had lived there and my mom lived there, every my family, if you know where to find me. If I gonna do something crazy, but I go shake three cities down and do some giant

condors where the funk. I go, well, I have ananimity, I can go do something that I want to do. My people know I did it, but no one who wants to get back at me knows where the funk to go find me to get back at me. Yet, Well, the funniest part, so who would the consequence who were talking about? Are you saying? The person say the act of the perpetrator doesn't have to live with the same consequences. So since the consequences and got pushed further away, Now

do I think they consciously know that? I don't know. I mean, at some point you figure it out. I think that that type of situation is a crash dummy situation. And you you I would never trust somebody fully that that came from that distance into into the close, small knit of activity that was going on in the neighborhood.

And also I wouldn't expect to be trusted if I came from an outside perspective and and wasn't really tied in with what was going on, because they if I understand what you're saying, it's kind of like you're you're able to gain clout for the gang by going out here and putting in work but you're able to operate under the radar because you're you're less likely to be suspected for doing the things that you're doing. So you're

still gating. Even if they say everybody knows just me, you know, like like to really like say, you know, stones in the jungles and I go do some ship agree just to just to six os, and they know what's me, and everybody knows it's me, but I don't live there. Nobody knows I punched my gang bang card at eight pm and I'm out. It's because I'm right on Nicolette and what's weird is right, So it's two things that make that weird. Go ahead. I was water

water right there right behind you. I was gonna say that being from Tacoma watching gangs come up there because l A gangs came up to Tacoma, and like you said, that happens. They'll come up to Cooma, kick up all kinds of ship do things, and go back to l A and we'll be stuck up there. Like I found, we got tired of it and decided to start Hilltop

because that's what was happening. They'll come up from l A and start doing ship rather they'll give us a sack and then their home, but will come rob the sack, you know. And so we finally got tired of it, like, wait a minute, this is our town, this is where Hilltop start. But that's what happened to us. They will come from other places like l A and do all that crazy ship like you said, and go back home because most people wasn't going from Tacoma to l A.

And so that's what I want to say. It happens like that trip we talked about. We talked about fifteen miles, you talking about some real, real mom and I think that that is it's kind of just an extension of you know how you were saying, like the resources so limited with the coast is only so big too, you know what I mean. So it's nothing to really hit the freeway four, five, six, seven, eight, ten hours and that mother further than that, oh yeah, all the way

up from here. Yeah yeah, right, you're right, I'm about ten hours from right. So, but that's actually the cause of the sixty A trade war. Like if you know the history of the war, they war is rooted in, you know, a simple misunderstanding the months two communities. That's been, you know, tighty ship forever at at certain at a certain point, and somebody who was a foreign you know, an implant into that culture. That's that's considered a tray thought.

The fight that they have normally to settle differences was a little bit more than what it was, and they overreacted and killed somebody of importance to the sixties, somebody who meant a lot to everybody, that was something over there. And when they tried to come up with an amicable solution and they met up, they couldn't really figure out. They couldn't find the dude to turn him over because he wasn't a dude that grew up in their culture, that grew up in their section. They didn't even know

his mother, They didn't really know nothing. Maybe one person possibly know him, who brought him over there, but they didn't know enough about him. So when they couldn't turn him over, you know, feelings got worse, worse and worse and worse. No justice felt like it had been served. So his now it becomes even in the streets, almost a vigilante. Since at a street level it's already vigilante.

It's at the street level, but then even within the street level, there's an even more vigilante version, and at that point anybody will work because we can't get the person that causes as much pain and this injustice. But that's really the beginning, you know, of their war, and it's obviously been you know, and for years, and that makes sense, and that's that's just a situation where somebody was where they maybe shouldn't have been, you know, doing

what they maybe shouldn't have done. That happened in my neighborhood with them. You know, some dudes was out barbecue with some people, you know, they had words and whatever happened, dude got whooped, came back to the park, told the homies, I got jumped. You know what I'm saying. They jumped me. They with me this and that the homies go back

to see what time it is. Dudes were ready because when this loudmouth leaves the barbecue, he's telling all this, he's telling all this, he's putting laying all his cards out. So when the homies get back to this blind situation, thinking he got jumped, we're gonna go over there, monitor and make sure they get the fade, make sure everything goes well. None of that happened. Dude was waiting. It

got down homies. It was some back and forth and we lost the homie, you know what I mean because of that, And it was really somebody he just he had. We got a whole hood full of home Why are you even over whatever you even are doing over there? You know what I'm saying. That's the worst type of gang member, man, it is some of these gang members. Dog, I get mad where they over they over function in

different people's sections. Like I've really I don't talk about it much to my homeboys, but I really don't like that. When you over you over accessible to everybody else. What I'm saying, because the point of creating your own section is to form a bond in the unit. So why are you partying this hard with these gangs? And it's always some bullshit. It's always gonna be some bullshit when that happened, because no matter who you are, you don't

have a true bond in that community. You may have a bond with a person from that community, but then and it's all kinds of other people outside of it. And at the end of the day, it's people think, you know, racism is a thing like this, and this gang bang ship is a thing too. And like when you when you're standing with somebody even in the pin or even when you you're cool, or even with them

tweakers out there smoking that piece pipe together. You know, all these situations, this dude thinks he's better than you. He has a word for you that he calls you when you're not around, that he calls all your people when you're not around. You know what I'm saying. So it's like to really fully for me, it's just a I just for what. You know what I'm saying. For what, I'm good with everybody in my community. I'm good with everybody from other neighborhoods. I help anybody the same. My

services are offered and available to everybody. But I don't have time. If I'm gonna focus my time on creating positive change, I gotta start with the people closest to me. So so I'm gonna be That's where you'll find me. That's where you let me ask you a question. And that particular situation with your with the homy that kind of did too much, and now he cost another HOMY life.

What's the discipline proceeding he's out? He got smashed off the map and um, and he's gone saying this is another part they deleted him or literally he's just out of the game. He's out, he's gone. He left, he left, you know, I mean he got he on the couple. He had a couple of people seen him early and you know, uh, you know, they did what they could do in the moment, and that was enough to let him know that he didn't want another money, you know what I mean. So he's in that's the only way

to go about it. But now it's the other edge, and it's the other catching. It's another thing that happens far too often is when you got stand arounds and and hang around. You know what I'm saying that that are that they're creating problems that affect real, actual validated

family members. You know what I'm saying. One of the main issues, and me and Pete talked about this before, is one of the issues with gangbanging is every citizen right, every citizen of sad nation is an equal representative by whatever actions they do. Yes, so like it don't take like in my neighborhood, pluck right who was a who was a very high ranking member per se right, at

that level right where he's he's a lifelong guy. Um, some dude who just got put on, you know, three weeks ago can go do some violence in somebody and it be held in the same validity as him, where it's like, oh, we're gonna come back and shoot at them.

I mean, one person represents everybody. And I always argue with my hommies that that's why we should be really careful on who we allowed to be a part of this, because at that point we're giving this person like we had a bad situation where stuff was happening and people not coming back and telling the hommies. But hommies is going places and now they're getting shot and don't have

no idea why this's like get shot. So it's a very you know, for as fruit as free as it seems like it moves, it's a very important and and and and you know, it's a lot of responsibility. It's high stakes, very it's a lot of responsibility for each person involved. Yet it's not treated that way, right, Yeah,

And it's and it's a it's so casual. It's so crazy how often I'll see like somebody come around and this dude to get whipped for the homies, or he'll like you know, he'll he'll go put in work, or he'll do he'll do all these things, but like he won't do you a solid one of them just friendship favors one of them, just one of them things that you just need them a homie. I need you to run me to sack some of these soldiers, bro. And yeah,

especially especially the dudes that's not from your community. They always trying to overprove a point. They always do it too much. I look at certain sensuations going on in all kind of communities and you know, you you're watching people that come around and they super turned up, and it's like, well, why are you not turned up for the place where you was at? What's really going on? Again?

I've always thought that was the worst part. It's just way too inclusive that that was a question I was gonna ask to both of you, Like, I mean, you said in this a valid boys, that's the mature smart

way to look at it. If you're from that far away, I'm not gonna trust you and you shouldn't trust me, you know, to to an extent, but not just not the same as this dude that bled with me, and you know, they didn't threatened to take his kids away and he still didn't tell in CPS and childcare and you know, fire department and the police and everybody else put pressure on people. These are the kinds of things

that you can only see in war. These are the kinds of things that you can only see under certain circumstances. For me, especially at my age, so this might not be a relevant stance for the average gang member, you know, but from you know, I'm forty two years strong and at my age, um, you know, it doesn't it doesn't make sense for me. It doesn't behoove me to go out and form new warrior relationships with young warriors. You

know what I'm saying. That doesn't That doesn't that doesn't You know that that's not That's no good for me. I have other strengths and other other things that I can that I could benefit the neighborhood with. Other than that, any every any community has or any country. You know, they have military, you have citizens, you have financial have I used to argue with my homies in real time, right I was telling you this about trying to make

everybody a part of the infantry. That's a mistake. Like like I was telling mob Jacks, I had the same conversation excuse me with James from UM from Gags the Chronicles. James used to do all the death row and that you know, one of the initial factors and death row and allowing it to be what it was for everybody to see as far as the muscle, And I was telling him, I think the mistakes that a lot of my older homies made and his generation made was they

tried to turn everyone into the infantry. I said this to him on the podcast on the Gangster Chronicles. I'm like, with aiding them generation, they tried to make everybody the infantry. And I think that's what that became a big problem.

It became a problem. That it's why you know, eventually all of this stuff is going to meet his demise because that with with that self destructive model of behavior, you can only expect one And now that we're forty seven years old, we've we've seen the repercussions of this model, you know what I mean. And that's why in order to survive and I don't mean as a criminal enterprise, but as just to surprise, as to survive as group. Yeah,

as as an enterprise. Um, things have to change. Nobody, nobody, not, nobody does ship the way they did it from day one. Nobody, you know what I'm saying, especially with growth and expansion. It just you just you have to allow for that and one thing that in my community and not in my gang, in my community because the things when we say because it's not when we say good over here, it's not good for none of y'all. Like they're not allowed to write on houses anymore, they're not allowed to

write on cars anymore. These are your neighbors. How do you expect them to stand up for you in court or when when there's a misunderstanding and help get you out of trouble when you're writing on their walls all the time, you know what I mean. Like they're not allowed to skip school. You know what I mean. You got homies out there that Corona's been making things weird, but that as a general rule, they're not allowed to skip school. The homies are there. That's like yard call.

You're laying down on the couch and the homies are over here. You know, either fighting or fighting for a better future. But either way you better getting the fight. You know what? I'm saying, whatever, whatever it is and uh, and they're not allowed to do heroin, dope, cocaine, none

of that ship before they're eighteen years old. Now, I know that sounds kind of weird, but at least by the time they're eighteen, they will have their brain, will have been given a chance to make whatever decision they want to make to be whatever kind of super game member or super citizen they want to be. But at least we gave their brain a shot. You know what substances to course and they'll say they'll get sucked up

for using them. And in my day with high school, we were a decision what you want to do next? We were using we were you not we in generation? It was our generation was using meth and drugs to influence that super gang banger, that super don't give a spooked you know. Yeah, yeah, so you can see you're capable of doing things. For my first three years, I didn't do drugs or drink because I wanted foods to

know that what I do comes from my heart. Later on not getting the party in and I'll do what I do, But I understand what it means to to somebody seeing somebody you know on one or you know, and we just we got to carry ourselves with a higher class. So tweaking ain't ain't allowed, It ain't encouraged. Its frowned upon, that suicidal dead end. Bang your head against the wall game banging approaches outro. You know what I'm saying, Like I don't, Like I said when I

talked to the community. I talked to the community, kids that are banging, kids that ain't. But you know, I tell them, like, man, look, do do what's right for you. Do it's right for your family. Do what's right for the people you could reach out and touch first. You know what I'm saying, But I think, but but that I'm glad you said that, But that makes me think a lot of times about the things, all of the toxic things we take in to alter our our our

actual true motivation. Like I although I've always said that, like I used to teach certain homies, I'm like, man, you don't really want to do it. That's why you gotta get high. I mean, and if you don't really want to do it, you need to find a better way. But you know that doesn't work because again, you know, me and Pete has had the same conversation about people being in survival mode. I call it like safe mode on the computer. There's no real access to the internet

on safe mode. Doing survival mode, there's no real access to you know, choice or belief of options. That it's not a real thing, Like there's no it's no browser. You know what I'm saying, ain't none of that. So everybody wants something for a discount, you know what I mean? You can you can get what you need out of having done the action without having to pay the full price,

so to speak. Mentally, that's a great point. But but that's not just even in street coat well, I guess that's it still streetcarts or just fun a process where strict yeah, they're gonna get drunk at the club to go talk to those inhibitions. But see, but now there's a different thing, because I think that different people have

have blocks in front of them. They're like some people, they don't they need that beer because they're scared, not because not because it doesn't morally sit well with them. If they could get away with it, they would dig forks in them, mother, because nots. It's not because they're good people. It's because they're scary. They're scarier to repercussion

the capital. But but there's the one that morally is kind of like, doesn't really feel it, So got to hide behind the alcohol in order to it, but to achieve the moral you know what I mean. But that's the same fear. It's all the same fear. What you might be scared of other people, are scary yourself, scared of your conscience, scary of all that ship. But I

agree with you, scared of God, whatever, whatever, whatever. But it's a different it's there are different fears, and I think that I think that they would, they could or should be subdivided accordingly, because I could respect somebody that behaves in a way based on an emotion before behaving in a way based on a separate emotion, even though it might be the same action. So off the record, right, So it's not off the record when I say off

the record, off the conversation. Rather, so at that point, should alcohol, Like, what do you feel about the prohibition? As much as people enjoy alcohol and this ability to lower your inhibition, is it really something that's necessary in society? Do you think the society would be a different place? I think, I think, I think it's unnecessary. I think it's I think it's completely unnecessary. And when it's gone, I don't miss it, Like I don't financially profit from it,

So it doesn't it wouldn't for me. It would just I'll smoke a little more weed, maybe you know what I mean. But but for somebody, you know, there's only a handful of people that have their money in it. So for me, funk those people that have their money in it, because they you know, fun them. It's only a handful of them, And it would be bringing a greater good to society to remove that source of wealth for just a few people that have already built a wealth.

That should suffice. I think with the alcohol thing, there's two conversations. You can't address it unless you do it for like a hundred years, because you get this, oh, well, if people aren't gonna drink, they're gonna do something else. There's there's there's now this expectation that that's yeah, that's been dugging it from me, you can get it from somebody. Yeah. So it's like, well, if you're if it's not gonna be alcohol and it's gonna be weird, it's not gonna weird.

It's gonna be. It's something you need to get to a point where there's a generation that hasn't had the people above them turning to some sort of chemical void filler before you can really have that conversation. I mean, is it necessary? Is it better? No? But I don't I don't drink alcohol, So they could go, how do you think that societal affects even uh though, oh you guys said at all. I mean everything that you guys said is going to be a fact. But what's gonna

happen if they do try? Because they're the prohibition happened before, and it was it was in it was deadly, it was bloody. So and that was really pre drugs, Like there weren't a lot of drugs in the US, and and and a lot of that push came from the medical from the medical field and the changing of the laws and the changing of the marketing of Big Farmer and things like that. A lot of that drug surge came as a result of the you know, but you

know alcohol, they use alcohol for everything. So people I've seen people drink, rubbing alcohol, trying to get drunk, ye, all that stuff. So when you say prohibition on alcohol, you gotta take every form of alcohol out. Well not just alcohol liquor. You can still help spray paint. Yeah, it ain't. It ain't appealing to everybody, you know what

I'm saying. So it's like that some time, once you pick some time between it, you know, like you said the hunted year thing, like once we if we could if that that first twenty years might be rocky, but once people lost it from their palate. It's not something that in its truest form is even very uh flavor, Like you know, it's not very savory, it's not very it's nothing new. It's nothing you would crave if you

were if you didn't have an experience with it. Yeah's it would force people to problem solve the right way, but it's a slower path, you know. It's you know, we got a problem with the pipe. Well we'll fix that little piece of pipe. Look, the piping in the house is bad. You can pay the price to repipe the whole house and do it right, or you can fix the little leak in the focet from the focet and hope for the best whatever. And that's kind of

drinking and some of that it's hard. I think it's almost more like replacing the foundation of a house sometimes and and that destroying rebuild is is ah, I wouldn't even It's easy to say for me because I think the same thing about the government, you know what I'm saying. But I'm like man, when you when you take something from here, it affects something over there, and you take

something from order it to affects something over there. So to be able to lay out the strategic order of things, that ship's like Jenga, you know what I'm saying, like because you you pulled the wrong one and it comes it comes toppling down. But I think that the main thing, the most important part, those like conversations like this. And I own a store. We have a discount like a family discount store, and Reno and I work it about four days a week most weeks, three four days a

week most weeks. So I talked to people. I'm constantly exposed to all kinds of people from all kinds of backgrounds. Everybody needs, you know, get where, everybody needs shoes, everybody. So I'm seeing all kinds of people from all different you know, walks of life. And you know, as I'm as I'm talking to them. You know, I like to ask. I like to ask a lot of questions. You know, I like to talk to Don't get me wrong, I

let it talk. But is the best way to lie? Yeah, So, like, especially when I'm around somebody I might not normally be around, you know what I'm saying, a different kind of a person. Um And uh, you know a lot of people, a lot of people have great ideas and a lot of people have have good things. But to say, but even just playing Devil's advocate, it's just it's always a way that that doesn't work. It's always a way that this

doesn't work. It's always a way. But just having the conversations, I think, is where where the fight still stays alive for a solution somewhere somehow, you know what I'm saying. But um, yeah, in term in terms of alcohol, I don't know. I don't. I couldn't. I really couldn't put my finger on like just because just tearing it because it's tweet, because you can make it yourself. That's the thing.

If it was something that was like you eradicate fucking linoleum, like good luck y'all figuring out how to make that ship you know what I'm saying. By alcohol, you always have action because someone can always make it illegally, so you always have access. So to be able to prevent all that, I don't even know you know how you would go about that. I have a question, dude. Gangs demonstrate empathy, because I know what empathy. If you don't have an empathy, you don't have common ground. There's no

common ground, but empathy, even that empathetic to other people. Listen. I mean, I think the average game member would like you to think they're just the baddest nigga breathing there and they want to kill everybody, and they want to put this K or that K or whack out this or whag out that. But it's entirely too easy to kill people from another community. It's easy. Like it's easy. It's so easy to kill us. We were so prevalent and available to die, you know what I mean, We're

not far out of reach. And when you look at it, even the worst wars, it's not enough people dead. Like you look at this country when it goes to war. They want people to die. So there is empathy. I mean, I think that at the center of the culture, right the darker you get, you know, at the center of the culture, it's completely empathetic. I mean, don't get me wrong. There's moments where it seems very uh, barbarican ship, but it's not enough killings for it to be that. Yeah,

I understand what you're saying. Yeah, if it was, if Mother's was really his turn as the average rap song, and a lot of good bodies will be just I'm all in all over the place. It will be too easy. It's easy. Like you, um, you go to a grocery store in any community, wait five minutes, you go to gas station and community, wait five minutes, you go to an experience anyway. I mean, you don't see nobody looking

at the future generations of gangs. So they're going into the pool and poison in the water and over everybody go swimming, Ain't you know what I'm saying. So at that point it's empathetic and common respect for funeral you know, or canadile lights even even though sometimes to get tricky, but for the most place, even see strategic alliances designs to eliminate third party gangs Like you don't see A and B. We're gonna triangulate on them. Like days at

this park. Hey, let's our crew and your crew go wipe them out there. And in theory they try to write. In theory they try to write, you have gangs that like, like I like to believe I grew up in the era, you know, when Compton was going through a superpower act, like like what do they call it? A super access or superpower access what they call that? When all the countries came like World War two? Yeah, and all the

countries it was like three click countries. Well that happened in Compton, right, So at one time in the nineties, and competent was okay, Nutty South Atlantic, A Cajian town forms Front Palmer Tennis. You know what I'm saying. It was like these gangs came together, right. So if I say a Cajia town forms, that's the CAGI of Block compter cripts, the Spook Town comter crips, and the form

Dog contrips borls offensive or defensive tactics. They were. Everybody within the culture would like you to believe that it's offensive. I'm it does I bet funk with niggas thinking I know it's defense. It's not no offense happening, And that and that narcissism in in the average game member. It's not if they ain't if we don't need you, we don't need you. You know what I'm saying. There's no there's no need to push somebody in to help you

with something that you got covered. That leads me to a conversation we was having was in l A about the sixties and eight trades. That leads me to, like you said, it was different gangs at one time they came together to the sixties was multiple games, and then it came together because of the area to protect the area or why did they come together as a game? You know what you were saying. You have to ask them. I mean, they talked about it before, but I don't

quite know why they all came together. I think they came together to become this large entity for the sake of um, you know, the look of power to to to be the deepest. I got a controversial question. Is there something culturally that's different between the East Side and the West Side gangs where you really don't see a lot of like superpower structures on the Greater east Side as far as gangs go, let you do on the West Side. So I don't think that's controversial. Um, I

don't know. I could get, I could get why I could seem that way, because right, you look at how huge Rolling Sixties is and there's no gang on the east side nearly that size, right as far as members or land mad and like neighborhood gangster crypt But even that, right is a bit deceptive, right, because it evolved to being deceptive. Maybe, well it was always deceptive because it

was never one thing. It was never one thing. And you gotta remember, neighborhood came from the east side, so like when you ever say neighborhood blah blah blah, that's from the east side. This neighborhood ease coastes and then other people got a hold to it. I mean again, that's that was something. Well, no, it initially was the east coast, and then other people started using it. I think the one of Levins on the west side that Lord knows, you know, if I get this wrong, I'll

never hit into these knicks mouse talking shift forever. But if I if I'm correct, the one of Levins where the first west Side original they call themselves the original neighborhoods on the west Side, No one of Levin's Dove c Q. Uh, you know all of those guys that neighborhood Dove c Q, who else popular from over there, you know, the whole Lynch mind. For the most part, I think, well J D and m me is uh a couple of people, but Ice Cuban Devic pretty much

are the centerpieces of that community. Um. They're like the original neighborhoods on the West Side. UM. I think it was more listening to I listened to Keystone talk. Um. Keystone is a super o g legendary dude. I heard his name. My whole life from sixties and there's a YouTube kind of programming almost like documentation of culture when it comes to, you know, the life style we live in l a keV mac Um. He did a conversation

and he believes that I don't. Again, I don't want to put him under the bus, But I think it was just more or less they were just like, I like how that sound. Let me be that. Okay, We're gonna make the neighborhood sixties what I'm saying. But I don't think it was about them being aligned with the one of Levin's or you know, the Rolling forties were started. You know again, I don't know if they they were all saying it to be aligned versus now the younger

guys are finding more reasons to be aligned. I know that in in my city. You know, um, it's a lot smaller it's a lot of smaller scale, but it's a lot of the same basic mechanics of human nature that take place, and and and so what happens out there, what has happened out there in the past, is that you'd have groups that they didn't necessarily want to go for the game bank things. So they were living in the game bang neighborhood and they were clicking up and

creating a group. They didn't start as a gang because that wasn't there. They had a gang to join, but they didn't want to join that game. They wanted to just be party crew, tagger crew, any kind of hustling group. Yeah, yeah, just give money boys, strutuation. And as soon as they click up, and as soon as they put a sign to it or put a color to it and put us something else to it, now they got Now they

got something to answer to, and that pressure. Eventually they end up either folding under the pressure or dismembering you know, kind of disbarring. So and and again all of this is very you know, early humanly things. Um So, as far as the West side, I think, um so, when you say, like, when you talk about it like that, right, it's like, oh, well, the car of the neighborhoods or the car of the gangsters right there, a trade gangster cars.

I don't really this might be controversial, but I think when people start aligning themselves with either one of those, it's really about them aligning with the cities of the trades. I don't think it's necessarily they're worried about aligning with the nineties or the blocks or the Raymonds, you know, anybody else. I think it's all of what side do you fall on the sixties of the eight trades? But you know, again on the east side we have that, right so East Coast is that East Coast is like that.

We don't have a ton of them. What large pieces of real estate other than like ones that are decided like by like projects like you know those are we don't. We don't what crazy is on the east side, the east side of the one Tent Freeway, we don't have a neighborhood the size you know, you don't have to SoC trades. Hell, No, forties is huge forties ago from roughly Figed to Crunshaw. Um, no, we don't have that

kind of land mask. You know, this is what what kind of like all was getting at, Like what is it about the east side where if you took an area that was the size of forties, there'll be five gangs there. It's way more to five games. Well whatever, I mean a lot of even even aside from projects though geographically, um, you know you get concentrated apartment complexes and you know you get concent in some neighborhoods is not a lot of apartments, so it's just vast area

of house. So so on the east side of the one tin right, Um who has a large land mass. As far as the community, the Nutties in Compton they have a really big one. There's just from Womenton to Central Um. That's one thing. Um, the south is huge and Compton and Watt's it's probably obviously project gags. Um, well, I think the east side is just overpopulated too, like you know, black blackness. You know, the culture itself is

right there. It's the epicenter. So you know, the neighborhoods are are easily divided, you know what I mean, I couldn't imagine, like I think Mona Park is huge. I think Carver Park has a reasonable amount. But none of them are like sixties forties or you know, those particular gangs. But those gangs also are five games side. But also those all of those games are multiple games that came together. Yeah, so they found a bond that decided that we were

going to unite the sixties. That's one of the oldest stories is five or six games that came together, four or five games, six games that came together the fans that happened on the other side, because we're entirely too arrogant. So that's the difference is arrogance on the east side. That's that's what you were saying earlier about every neighborhood has a different culture, even with your neighborhood, and a

different attitude of different My young homies ain't we're clicking up. Yeah, Like they tried to start to click with my homies and some other gangs, and the niggas is like nah. You know, my older homies at one time tried to and it was like, nah, we're cool. I'm one of the people that's like, yeah, I'm cool. What was what what was your your gangs like role or response or whatever. And like the the truce after the riots, was that not involving you guys? What did you think of it?

Was the kind of the take on that at that time? Well, you know what, I gotta get plug in here to talk about that. I get him in here to talk about that. Um, but I know they were involved because it was right around the corner. It wasn't. Um, the truth was the East Side thing, you know what I mean? It really wasn't like the city. It was like yeah, yeah, but again because the East Side is the epicenter of

all the the the blackest of the blackest culture. I mean, like this is the heart and soul of of blackness in Los Angeles. Outside of you know, you gotta go to Crenshaw to get this black you know, I mean somewhere like that type of place, maybe Limerte, and then it start. You know, that's a little bit of a different kind of thing that this right here is ghetto America, right here, right where we at, and I think everything

trickles out of there. You I mean, everything trickles out of there, I mean low riding the tracks and clothes, everything trends in criminal activity trends, and staying ahead of the step, one step ahead of the game, the law that everything. And so I think again, the way the east Side works is it's a very you know, arrogant. You know it, don't it don't It's not a lot of humility on the east side, I'm saying the west side. I don't think it's no more humility over there. But

they're already locked in at this point. But you know, historically, you hear a lot of rumors about sixties going to war with sixties, the field is different. I mean, like I'm not from either location and spent a lot of time in both, in a lot of different scenarios. The field is very different in both places. Well, I mean that's the point, right, I mean, that's how it is with the rest of peacet Rodgers, the Jungle Stones and the City Stones, right, the Peace Stones and the City Stones.

They're different. Um, the sixties are one game. But even that concept of neighborhoods, like all being together, the forties and sixties was killing the ship out of each other, shooting ship out of each other, the one of elevens and the cities go at it. The you know, the thirties pretty much are the only guys is like, you look, we're not even really with killing crips. And then they

spent the whole decade killing forties. So again the concept of I don't I don't actually agree with that, you know, if as if I have say on what's going on over there, But I think it's misleading because it looks like it's cool. But I guess it does kind of work to some degree because it probably could be a lot worse. It would be like the East Side if they didn't have it, it would be like always some ship, always some ship going on. You know, it's always over there.

You know, it is kind of a different camaraderie amongst rollings. In all the changes that you've seen, like I'll ask you for from the l a standpoint of all the changes that you've seen in game, banging from apparel to to to this and to that, the way they represent or maybe talk or look, would you say, um that you've seen any positive changes that would you see that there's some things that have happened in the in the streets that they've some some any has anything gotten any better?

You know, are the youngsters doing things this way or that way that they will present a little bit of hope or or a little bit of um, you know, you think they're getting it together. Our motherfucker's just still caveman, just savin out. You know. I don't think it's better for the yances at all. I mean, not my young mlies. I don't think they do anything better then it was done. Um.

But again, I also think that's our fault. See now, And that's that's a good point that you mentioned because the youngsters, because I see now, in my day, we didn't have big positive homies to tell us, you know, to do something right. Like we didn't have We really didn't. Um. There was a lot of things that were new to

us up where I was at, and we wouldn't. We would have been really we would have rejected that any kind of you know, come around here with that any of that cool like like trade D real positive gangster's reputable, but he's able to speak from a from a positive trade. When I tell you trade and some ship, I see the Instagram ship, I see all this ship trade and some ship, you know, I mean, but again, I think trade e right, I think my older homies. I think

big you, I think Dale Dog. If you have a bright future, like if they see you're trying to be something great, don't nobody want to make you throw away your life right away. That exact conversation yesterday with about Malcolm and Tea. Yeah, like people people will be like, yo, watch out, Like that's how they did me until I decided to throw my life away. You watch out. Don't don't funk with him. Once you start participating, it's like, all right, uh, this is so, this is how you're

doing right, So is it? It's kind of It's kind of like and I think in hip hop too, like I think like with the whole vote culture of things going on, I think that there's just a little more place for the wise big homie. You know what I'm saying.

Our things, the one that's trying to teach financial structure and trying to teach things that as long as you wouldn't get in the term, as long as you're willing to get in the car, that's the one thing that every youngster respect, Like somebody willing to get in the car. Don't tell me to go shoot, I'm gonna show you how I was done. Um, I pride myself and being a leader. I never encouraged my homies to go out and shooting nothing. I think they entirely don't have enough

money to even be talking about going to war. So until you get some money, we shouldn't be talking about war. And they want you get some money. Let's see if you want to go to war, right, but you can't go to war, bro you can't go to Roar with a hundred bullets. You can't over the war with no gas money. You can't go to war without enough guns. You don't got no money. When we was at our four fledge when I was you know, right when I was coming into my my whole ship, and we had money.

We got money, so that means we have some ship. That means we have some ship. We have a lot of ship. But then once you get money, war is different. It becomes a distraction from earning a lottinghood. So people are a little bit more diplomatic, people are a little bit more. The blood is a big expense. Man does is expensive? Pet cut feel me and so I think, no, it's not getting better, you know what I mean? But unlike a lot of people. I do think it's being

phased out. I do think it's being phased out in it's like how it is. I think it's only a matter of time. And that's and I think that the and that's because you know, a lot of them aren't letting go that that that that ancient, super prehistoric manner of you know, I don't even think it's that. I think that was actually better. You know, it's like McDonald's. I think making a hamburger was better initially. I think

the way they make burgers now it's horrible. The way they used to make the gonna make it like that, then it's better than just well, because you lose the quality of it. The reason is phasing out is because literally the prices of homes in the l A. You're not gonna be able to be poor and be there the centerpiece still to gangman in his poverty. You ain't a ton of wealthy gang members for me. So if you can't be poor in this community right then you

for sure everybody got it. You can't be thugging. Thugging is free for me. Everybody up in this house got to have a job because this mortgage right here is about three thousand a month to be in the ghetto. Everybody needs a job. Everybody needs a career for me, y'all all got to work. Ain't no hanging out for free. You know, it's different when your mom is not to pay the number four hundred dollars ranting she got a

county check for a thousand. That's different. Now fear me a house and watching my old neighborhood that motherfucker three hundred seventy five thousand, four thousand of the month, and nobody's sitting on the count of getting that kind of money. And those people weren't taking Section Nate. They're getting motherfucker's the funk up out of there. So I do think we're you know, it's it's gonna come into a cuff of like it's going to be over probably during my lifetime. Um.

And and that's at least how it's over. Because you could kill, you could kill like you can kill a person you kill, so you can't kill an ideal, you know. So it's kind of like even though the breeding grounds for actual active violent membership might dwindle, you think that what's what's already been done to pop culture and what's already the game banging has already been overexposed to the world. You think the remnants of that will just continue to

linger around in some in some boards. Always you always have this. They're still discoes, right, I mean they're still discoes. They're still soulful restaurants. I mean there's no slabery but the soulful restaurants. So I think we've already seen like this is playing out of the highest you know, violent crime, right locations and northern southern California spectively are no longer Oakland and competent and San Bernardino with Stockton because cheap,

because it's cheap, it's where it's cheap. I mean, they're poor people. So um again, like man losing it. So as much as everybody looks down at games, I don't I realize, you know, poverty is the problem to talk about. To talk about being shot and where the bullet did, what a bullet did, and to complain about something else that the bullet wound calls and not actually talk about

being shot consistently is a waste of time. So to blame you know, the the issues and black communities on gangs is a waste of time, because they don't have them same things on the dere height, they don't have them same things. And wealthy back communities, well, and I think that that's that's because as a system and as a whole, right, you know how they had those Plato machines, the extruders where you you pull the lever in it and it shoots out a star on the other end,

that perfect star. But now for a piece of sand or something gets inside there, you push that extruder, you're gonna have a damaged piece. It's not gonna be perfect, it's gonna be imperfect. We're the only society that would try to take that damaged piece and reshape it, cut off the bad party without fixing the machine that's creating these damaged pieces, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, but then if you if you if you fix the machine, then you have to admit you did something wrong. You

broke it all right. Not from being from l a and being from Washington, I used to hear that, like the sixties was the rich people of games. We always say that, and six is getting mad, But but so what how is that? Is that true? Or is that to me? Hell? Yeah? But but then again, So so is the median incoming over Hills different than the median income in Grape Street? Hell yeah, I just wanted that on the record ship the ass. Oh yeah, that's a great man to live in the ass bro in the

sixties or in the mert. I don't know how the funk they do it? Does part? Does forties creep into like view park? Or is it kind of really it stops Safeties creeps up there closer than the safeties? Does Safeties have a weird grasp? Who has the view? So sties has views? So hell yeah over here? You know, they go all the way up slost into over here. And then niggas is for real? So is that going back to what we should talk about culture? And before gangs it was culture and then gangs start, you know,

gangs come by people putting labels on that culture. So was it the culture first in that area where was really nice living and they just came together and because gangs started becoming rampant, they just started coming together as a game. Well, I don't want to say again, it's a level of poverty. Again, it's like poor people talking about other poor people. Okay, so they were considered poor.

They still wasn't They still didn't have no money. Like yeah, so when people say they're exaggerated by how much many sixties really had. What if you come from where I'm from, it looked like the motherfucking Beverly Hills. But it's all equity, Yeah, I mean, like it's it's still a house and a shoe string budget. The fact that that the house happens to be worth two dollars more. You ain't got it unless it's not and it's not created and it's not

worth that much more. Like you know, you're talking about the house and when I'm coming up in wash right house for forty dollars that same house and sixties like in Boys in the Hood, them house is probably a hundred and forty again, you know it is, it's a quarter h Once you sag past Crisshaw, it is different.

But I'm saying once you east of Chrisshaw, you know, certain sexes of eight trade can get you know, they were kind of closer to two hundred, but for the most part they were all south of two hundred thousand. It's just a port or low income in California in l A, I mean to pay a thousand dollars in the mortgage it was nowhere. Yeah, yeah, a thousand dollars like it's cheap, that's cheap. A thousand dollars and words

in the nineties, it's cheap. You know, those houses in in in Lakewood were probably three hundred and fifty dollars. In the suburbs, you're spending more than three hundred thousand, and Carson, you're spending more to two fifty um any suburb it was gonna be way more so. Yeah, you know, that's that's a joke that the East Side and the

West Side have amongths each other. You know, we always make jokes about, you know, how much better the living is because they're closer to success than we are on the east Side right there, closer to seeing what real money looked like. You know, ain't watching a far drive to see what money look like? Um? Them niggers, could you know cross Crenshawn going the overhill see them houses and see the life. Um. But yeah, we're still arguing

over a hundred thousand dollars. Still a hundred forty two one forty for me there, ain't that The boys in the good houses at that time probably was one t one thirty. You know, that's a hundred dollars. My cousin have always lived out here, you know, together as a whole family, as three citsies. Was it was three sisters of my end ntil she passed, but they had never separated, and they were always working dentist, reception office, you know,

doctor reception office. Decent jobs, decent office jobs. But to be anywhere they felt safe enough to be a house full of women. You know what I'm saying. It was they couldn't live alone because it's it's really expensive. And again, all of this conversation is routed in profit. And the problem is you just can't be poor to live in that lane anymore. That day is coming to a quick, quick, quick, quick end. And when you can't be poor there, gangs

will no longer be available there. It's just not going to be an option. Just not nobody's taking that in their community with somebody man you paid man for your mortgage, You calling the police and some bullshitever like the number one thing where I grew up, and everything comes down to two words. Everything comes out towards property value. If I bought in in a mill five, I'm not gonna let this jackass. Knock me down to a mill too.

It ain't happening. Wasting your time drinking at fag, smoking at smoke, doing that coke, giving that dog, giving up, gang banging, gang banging, gang banging,