Episode 79: Canadian Horror

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yet ugly. Broadcasting from Connecticut USA, I'm the ghost with the blog lonely, and I'm joined by my nobody's crew, our panel of living dead talking heads. Broadcasting from North Carolina by way of Jersey, USA, bringing the dad vibe to all things horror. I am Mike, aka That Horror TV. Broadcasting from Virginia, USA, I am Billy D, the resident musician, handyman, and host of Halloween Babies Pop.

Broadcasting from Indiana, USA, your local horror physician and Santa Aficionado, Canon, aka Plague Doctor Al. Welcome back crew. Most importantly, welcome back Mike. Time means nothing on recordings because you all see these episodes way after they're done. But Micah has been gone and it's just been Billy, Cannon, and I and I feel like there was quite a void. Would you agree, folks? Oh yes. Yes. I need the dad figure in our horror teacher. Yeah, that's me.

Trust me, the dad figure was hard at work over the last month traveling up and down the eastern seaboard, uh, for a variety of reasons. So very happy to be back, Mr. Guys, and ready to have some fun tonight. We only had partial coverage though because people don't realize that the D. So we had that part. Yeah. Learn something everything.

Nice. Bye. You know, I can't and I just have to say, we didn't so typically listeners, we record roughly every Thursday and I'm quite a creature of habit, if you can't tell from the literal everything about me. And we didn't record last Thursday and I was like sitting staring out the window, like, what am I doing with my life? I can't talk to my three uh forty year old men on the internet. What the fuck am I gonna do now? So

But here we are, another Thursday, and we have more men. More men. Can you believe that, Billy? Who do we have tonight? It's Raining Man here on the podcast. And uh tonight we are exploring the horror cinema of our northern neighbors. That's right, we're talking about horror media from Canada. Can you believe we were able to find a Canadian who was still willing to talk to us in this political climate? Well, we did.

This is a man who owes his fascination with horror to two pictures he saw as a child in a book that belonged to his father. We're excited to welcome Christian Luciani to Nobodies Tonight. Christian is a multi-show podcast host whose voice has somehow become a fixture in a small corner of the horror and cult cinema world. despite no one remembering exactly when or why he showed up as a co-host of TGIF thirteen, the now retired Exploding Heads horror movie podcast.

and pretty bad movie gab, he brings chaotic enthusiasm and the kind of humor that makes listeners wonder if he's had too much coffee or not nearly enough. On Exploding Heads, Christian is known for deep cut genre knowledge and bold opinions delivered with the confidence of someone who's definitely watched way too many movies.

TGI F 13 lets him lean into nostalgia, dissecting films with equal parts sincerity, and I swear this made sense in the 80s sensibility. And on Pretty Bad Movie Gab, he fully embraces cinema's weirdest flips. celebrating the flawed, the forgotten, and the fantastically questionable with mostly genuine affection. Across his shows, he's carved out a voice built on authenticity,

community and a deep love for movies in all their glorious ridiculous form. Welcome, Christian. Why don't you tell our listeners what film were those two pictures from? Well, thank you. I'm laughing. I mean, that bio makes me want a projectile varmint all over myself. It's it's I I'm You wrote it, sir.

I know. And I I I was saying it's painful. And then hearing it back, it's even worse. But I can't even believe that deep cut that you just did with the the pictures. That that's true. And it was uh Nosferatu, um 1922. Uh it was uh like we would flip my buddy and I would flip this page open on the book and run out of the room screaming.

Yeah, I had to go for a deep cut on that one. I was telling the crew that um you were one of the first voices of horror podcasting that I tuned into way back in 2020. And I just happened to put on um Exploding Heads podcast episode 25 today and heard that little bit of information. No nice. And yeah, well I'm sorry, but I'm glad you're still uh podcasting and uh and listening to our old shows as well. That's awesome.

But yeah, I I mean, hey, I'm glad to be here guys. Thank you. I'm meeting almost all of you for the first time. Uh and it's it's great. And I'm not the only Italian on the show. Damn right you're not. And I'm Italian by marriage, so That counts. Holy well there we go. I thought I had a lot of vowels in my name. Hanan, do you want to say yours just for fun?

The Adriatic. And I'm directly across from you on the Adriatic. So close enough. I'm I'm sorry, I'm originally from Bosnia for any of the viewers that don't know. So I'm also So tonight we are exploring the horror cinema of our northern That's right. We're talking about horror media from Canada, much like the US, Canada's melting pot of culture has brought a variety of tropes and stories to the horror space.

If you do some research on Canadian cinema, a common theme that emerges is Canada's desire to create its own unique cultural identity through its art. Debates on if this was successful have emerged, especially when compared with American. Yeah, so horror's played a very unique role in how Canada defines its media identity. Uh in his book The Bloody Brood, Canadian Horror Cinema, Past and Present, Scott Preston discusses the complex relationship with horror in mainstream Canadian culture.

Preston cites horror as an innate association with the American enter entertainment industry, while a common goal of Canadian cinema and culture is to stand a distinct distance from American culture, which I think they successfully do. Uh he goes on to explain how Canadian horror blurs the boundary of us versus them that sometimes exists between US and Canada, particularly as of late, unfortunately.

To this end, uh from nineteen seventy five to nineteen eighty two, in order to increase domestic production of films, the Canadian government decided to provide a tax shelter that allowed film investors to deduct one hundred percent of their investment from their taxable income. This worked. Production skyrocketed, but the unintended consequence was a vast increase in the number of erotic comedies and violent horror movies.

This led to the era being pejoratively referred to as the Cash for Slash Era, or the Chests for Breasts Era. No just kidding, I just made that one up, but I was pretty proud of it. Uh this era gave us such classics as Prom Night, My Bloody Valentine, Happy Birthday to Me, and Terror Train, among many, many other.

So in addition to the dread and psychological thrillers, one of the first things many people think of when considering Canadian horror is none other than the great director himself, David. In all sincerity, tonight is one of the first uh Cornenberg films I've actually ever seen in my entire life. I've had a lot on my horror list to do and So I'm excited. Cronenberg has become one of the greatest masters.

horror and this includes like films like Video Drome, Shivers, 1975, Scanners, 83, The Fly 86, all became cornerstones of modern sci-fi horror. His out of body and gritty approach to horror has created a Modern Canadian horror has taken the internet by storm in the last three years with buzzy releases like Skin American.

controversial infinity pool, another great Mia Goth film, Red Rooms, interesting look into the sky parts of the internet, and Humanist Vampire Seeking Consenting Suicidal Person, which Art Critic Mag magazine goes on to say that modern Canadian horror finds its power in giving us something we didn't know we needed.

Amidst the country's ever present identity crisis in relation to its southern neighbor, that's us, we don't talk about that, this wave of cinematic horror finds its place in presenting what is absent. While it isn't the representative narrative trains we've seen throughout, like through Jordan Peel and Jennifer Kent, it still manages to bring fresh blood into the genre in a way that brings back a sense of something truly individual to Canada's media culture.

So that's a whole lot of everything. We wanted to do Canada justice because we know um we're kind of a laughing stock internationally right now. So Christian, that probably sounded like a whole lot of citations, but In your own words, how do you define Canadian horror? And I'm also super curious, what part of Canada are you broadcasting from tonight?

Go. I'm broadcasting from Ontario, Canada, specifically Burlington, Ontario, which is about forty forty minutes out of Toronto. So uh, you know, about an hour from Buffalo, three hours from three hours and change from Detroit. Uh to give you a little bit of uh sort of proximity or geography. Uh Canadian horror so Canadian cinema and admittedly when I was young.

Canadian cinema was a big yawn fest. I if I have to be honest, I'm talking about when I was a kid. We were brought up, we were force-fed American cinema, American television. Yes, of course there's Canadian content and whatnot, but for the most part, the films that I saw were were American films. And so when I started watching Canadian films, admittedly, they were not for me initially.

I've since changed my tune on that, but uh and and probably because of horror and the influence it had. But initially, uh th films like um Going Down the Road. Uh I heard the mermaids uh singing. I I hope I'm remembering these titles right, Family Viewing, which was a earlier um Adam McGoyen film. They were not my cup of tea. I'll I'll leave it at that. Uh but I've since revisited and have a new appreciation for them. I bring that up.

because horror's what made me go back to watch these other ones that just somewhat left a bad taste in my mouth or bored me to tears when I was younger. So uh we have we've done everything when it comes to horror. the co-productions exist with many countries and of course the United States. Some of the slashers that were mentioned uh were co-productions, some were 100% Canadian. Uh that is probably my first introduction with and of course David Cronenberg.

Uh and David Cronenberg is a you know, a force to be reckoned with. I mean, let's let's be honest. I'm I'm happy and a little bit shocked to hear that uh it's your first exposure. Uh video drum was your first exposure. No no that is correct. So this was definitely a very interesting look uh into it.

I'm going to be really interested in hearing what you have to say. Uh because I mean, again, I won't I won't get into it now. I know that we're we're we're we're gonna be talking it a bit later, so I'll I have a tendency of doing that. I I I speak ahead of uh uh and at a turn in a sense. So uh this is gonna be just just cut me off if need be or redirect me because I'll just go off the handles here. But so To be honest, like I like I would say that um

Shivers or they came within they came from within was my first exposure to Cronenberg, which funny enough was his first film. But it it's not the first, it's not because of the it just happened to be the one that I saw at a very early age and it terrified me. Terrified me. And so Essentially that

That fear is what became the fascination. And it was like I had to conquer the fear. This is what I've always said. This is what got me in the horror. I I I assume it's the same for all of you, but that's what made me want to just Check out these movies more and more, week after week.

And then now almost night after night it seems and revisit them at the same time. So uh I'm happy to be here. I'm happy to talk about it. I know I didn't get into specifics here because I know that we're going to be going into lists. A little bit later. So let me know if there's anything else you'd you'd like me to get into. Otherwise, yeah, let's go from here.

Yeah. And I have to sorry, crew, I have to do a segue. You you have to humor me for a second. So I have to say my intro to Canadian media was degrassy Christian. So I need to know Adiós. Yeah. I need to know do you have feelings about Degrassi? I I need to know how a real Canadian feels about it. I love it. I love it. I mean we so was it Degrassi like the next generation or is it Degrassi Junior High, Degrassi High? So the kids at Degrassi Street?

Yeah, so when I was a a young person, Degrassi Next Generation was coming back, but in college I went back and watched every piece of Degrassi media. Ever created. So I've seen them all. I've seen all of it from the 80s to present, even the Netflix ones. I love me some The Grassy. That's awesome. No, uh it's it's a staple for sure. I mean that and I've I grew up I mean I knew the kids of Degrassi Street, but I would say that I saw more of that.

after Degrassi Junior High. Degrassi Junior High is what uh in real time. So, you know, that was that that was happening when uh'cause I'm older. Uh so that's that was about the s the I was the age of most of those characters. So when it came when it came back, my wife and I just loved it. I think we watched the first couple of seasons and I would say that um when my wife said, Hey, that guy's trying to be a rapper, I laughed and said, Ha ha, good luck. And of course that is Drake.

Yes, yes, that's a lot of fun. Love it. Well, I could go on and on about Degrassi, but listeners, the entire show from start to finish, from the eighties to present, is free on YouTube. So if you ever want to call in and talk to Degrassi with me, happy to have Christian back just for a Degrassi episode. It'll be a side quest. It'll be great. But Mike, let's get back on track and get into some film.

Yes, some would say Drake is still trying to become a good rapper. Um but anyway, let's uh transition clumsily from Degrassi Junior High uh to a college set movie that is much different. And we are talking about first tonight and I could not be more excited. Black Christmas, nineteen seventy four. If you haven't seen it, uh go watch it right now and then come back later. Um but during the their Christmas break, a group of sorority girls are stalked by a stranger that is a good, simple premise.

Um, we'll start with open thoughts. I will just say I was on this very podcast, um, gosh, over a year ago now. We did the ABCs of horror. And I was on for the first part and I believe this was my favorite B horror movie. So I've talked about it before and what I said then and I will repeat here'cause I just watched it again and it was even truer now. It still scares me. I think this movie's genuinely scary. The phone calls

Freak me the fuck out. And he I think the the character of Billy, um, not our own Billy, of course, hopefully, um really c uh captures what a true lunatic sounds like, I think. Like he's a true lunatic. There's no explanation for anything. And that is one of the many reasons I love this movie. I've said it before and I'll continue to say it again. Every time I watch this movie it shoots up my list of all time favorites.

And it did it yet again this time, which is probably, I don't know, seventh or eighth time I've seen it. Um and I know I think what some of you already think. Uh so I'm gonna toss it to Kanan first,'cause I think I know the least about what you think about this movie. Some opening thoughts from you. It's in my top 100 favorite films. I was actually shocked because I think I started watching uh more old film.

Five years ago and started out with the The Exorcist, which I already hit the top of my charts. But everything I heard about Black Christmas. Low expectations. Just like you said, Mike, it is horrifying and so unsettling the way he talks about. Uh my favorite scene bar none is the uh door frame scene where the eye pokes out. Uh black Christmas. Any kind of orphan. Billy D, what's your ex I've seen it probably four or five times now and I hadn't seen it until kind of later, maybe

maybe ten years ago was my first time watching it. And it has since made it to my uh top twenty horror films of all time. It's a masterpiece. It checks all the boxes and wraps them in plastic and hides them in the attic. Uh it starts and ends with a quiet and serene shot of the house, as if to say, just because things appear to be Norman Rockwell-esque on the outside.

The inside hides some dark shit. I love all the little subplots that are going on in this. It's almost like a Christmas horror anthology. And as far as Billy's vocal freakouts. This has to be in the top five scariest audio horror movies out there. The insane rantings of the killer are the only real things that kind of define him, besides, as Kanan said, those shots of his eyes that dare I say are demonic eyes. What do you say, lonely?

Yeah, so Black Christmas was in my top ten horror films of all time up until last year and it got bumped out, but so it's in my top twenty now. But it I consider Black Christmas to be the most underrated and underappreciated of the original slashers. I think that when we think of slashers, we automatically go to the big um franchises and everybody forgets Black Christmas. And this is such a good movie. And I hate slashers, so you know I mean that.

This film is so gritty, so smart, and I think this film swings. hits a home run and then drops the mic. It has no desire to explain itself. It doesn't need to explain itself. It is just a really tight, really, really good film. And it gets better on the rewatch, which I feel never really happens with slashers. So I'll get a lot more into, you know, why this is a great Femme film, why I think this is a lot, a lot of fun.

But Christian, tell us what has been your experience with Black Christmas. Where is this film in your imagine if he's like I hate Black Christmas, that would be crazy. But where does this film rank for you and what has been your experience with it? Well, it's it is one of my personal favorites. Uh but I uh saw it a little bit later as well. And I'm when I say a little bit later, I mean later eighties.

So I was told like, hey, you gotta look watch that movie uh about the calls that come from inside the house. And of course I said, yeah, I saw it when a stranger calls. And they're like, no. And then I'm like, what? And so I was like What what am I missing here? And that eventually led me into Black Christmas. But that's such a small part of the movie. But it's funny how people forget that this was the original version of that. You guys, everything you guys said.

Is like my thoughts and feelings on it as well. I'll just add like we were talking about the the the set the calls. The sound design is fantastic in this film. Uh like I I I think it's like it sounds like piano wire that they're they're using or they're they're choking to make some of the sound effects. I was listening to it with the headphones this time.

And it was like a a different watch altogether. It added a whole other level to the movie and to my enjoyment of it. The POV in this, uh I I mean, it was kind of ahead of its time. Like we're not just talking about like walking around the house. We're talking about climbing up the east trough and and and the lattice to get into the into the room. There's just some really cool shots. The dialogue

Totally underrated. Like just the the play of the dialogue and the characters in this, you don't really think about it because it's easily to be dismissed as you know a mere slasher, which it's not. And so I think that's another another underrated element of the film. Uh that's my thoughts so far and then of course I know we're gonna jump into it a bit more so. Yeah it's uh fucking jump it's funny you actually were I had made a list

as I was watching of things that make this movie influential, right? You know, people who maybe have never seen the movie don't realize it predates Halloween by four years. And I'd written some of the things you said. It's a first person point of view, I feel like it kind of not that it's the first movie ever to do that, but as far as from a slasher point of view

You know, slashers uh a slasher killing co eds one by one. As you said, the call coming from inside the house. And the one I picked up on this time. Olivia Hussey pulls the Han Solo before Han Solo did in Empire Strikes Back. So this is sorry, I'm losing you lonely on the sci-fi stuff. But Peter says to her at some point, I love you.

No. And that is the famous Han Solo response in Empire Strikes Back. So look, it even influenced Star Wars. So let me tell you something about this. Horror rules again. I can't believe you don't think I've seen Star Wars Mike. Well, I know you've seen and I don't know if you like it as much.

No. Does anyone like Star Wars? I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get into that wound, but let's talk a little bit about what actually happens in in Black Christmas. So we follow this group of sorority girls. The main character is Jess. who was played by uh Sylvia Hussey, right? Am I getting that right? Yes. Yes.

And honestly, Jess is one of the most iconic final girls, I would say. Just really broke the mold before there was a mold, like didn't even fit the mold of the final girl, in my humble opinion. Um, and I love that. So we follow Jess as she continues the house continues to get these interesting phone calls, as we've just talked about, of someone that they're calling the moaner. The first opening sequence of that first call is so fucked up.

So fucked up. And even, you know, how many years has it been? Almost 50 years later, like from when that this film originally came out. I still find that to be really horrifying. If I got a phone call like that, like I don't even know. I wouldn't leave my house, but then it you know, the call's coming from inside the house. So I guess that would be the it it for me. But

So fucking scary. The calls continue. There is a subplot here with Jess and her boyfriend, which we can get into, who's also a problematic man. And we Polarity ensues. We follow this slasher in some pretty good fucking kills that leads to a pretty intense little twist ending that we will get to as well. But let's talk about some of these kills. So Billy, what are your thoughts on some of the kills we see? We see the first one with the plastic wrap. What are your thoughts?

Uh first I want to touch on how you said Hilarity ensues. This film for people who hate horror and comedy mix, I think you you can't deny this works great. You've got like the comedy of Barb, you've got the comedy of Miss Mac, you've got little

uh sprinkled in there. But I also think it's kind of comical how we see the first kill, which is Claire, I believe. And She's killed um with a bag wrapped around her head and suffocated and then she's placed in this chair in the attic looking out the window and we keep periodically like visiting her and seeing her and it's like each time we see her there's like a new prop.

You know, like at one point she's just sitting there, then she's sitting there with a cat, then she's sitting there with, you know, Miss Mac hanging dead behind her with the hook through her face. And, you know, I keep expecting like, you know, next time her to be sitting over like a sandwich or s you know what I mean, just to keep going and keep going. But it it it works out perfectly. Um

Yeah, and then the way that the killer kind of places the bodies in like a little scene, a little tableau, that's that's great and awesome. And ki I kinda have a hot take, everybody. Um And it's kind of a reverse-engineered fan theory about the killer that he's a crazed man who gets possessed by a demon on Christmas Eve in order to bring about the birth of the Antichrist after providing seven sacrifices.

And I don't know. Um, I was drinking a twenty milligram seltzer when I came up with this idea, so I don't know how valid it is, but I will say um When we're going back to his voice, there's no way. a person can make that make those sounds over top of each other. And we know it's multiple layers of things. And what genre has people sitting around with weird shit coming out of their mouths, demonic possession.

So you've got that going on. It starts off by the we don't see it, but there's a killing of a 13-year-old girl in the park and she represents innocence. and in a way the killer's speaking in tongues and he presents the corpses in this dark tableau like offerings. And then as the film ends, we don't know if um Miss uh Jess, who's pregnant, who was thinking about getting an abortion, maybe things have changed. Maybe she's gonna bring about the Antichrist.

You guys ever see that meme? I think it's like a Parks and Wreck meme where the guy's there and he's like crazed in front of a whiteboard with all the stickers. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? That is that is true. And he's going crazy. That that was a perfect theory and a good connection. Yep, so that's uh that's Billy right now. He's got a whiteboard. We can't see it yet. Yeah, let that sit in the back of your head next time you watch it though.

Let's let it brew. Christian, what are your theories about the killer? I are you agreeing with Billy's theory? Agree. I mean I I have never heard that before. That's some Marcella Wall Marcellus Wallace 666 soul stealing theory, like pulp fiction. I don't know if you've guys have heard that one. That's what it kind of reminded me of. Uh but Now I'm gonna be have to watch it with a whole different view finder next time as well. But no, he's just it it it's just

He's crazy. Like it that like it just epitomes and you don't we see him only in shadow and an eyeball, as you guys mentioned. Everything else is that voice. And it's like you guys said, terrifying. Between that and the sound design, this movie will get under your skin. What is that tagline? If this doesn't make your skin crawl, it's on too tight or

Something along those lines. I mean it's it's perfect marketing for this. Um and like yeah, I mean that he's he's the perfect killer unseen. I'm I flip every watch with how they kind of

I I wonder United's takes on Peter. Are they really are they trying to is he just a red herring? Is it just is it just part of the plot um mechanism to try to throw it off so that they feel like They've cleaned it all up neat and tidy and they think they that they k they have the killer, only to realize that no they they didn't.

for that ultimate ending. I mean, while we're watching the movie, I never once think it's it's Peter as we watch it unfold. I never once thought that he was in the house, but I'd be interested in thinking in hearing what you guys thought. Like Again, I've watched it so many times, so it's it's difficult for me to go back to that first time and really think, was he ever in my mind that I ever think he was the killer? Oh yeah, watching it. Yeah. I thought at the end

Jess kills Peter. Did I did I misinterpret that this whole time? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. I thought I was totally like losing my mind there. But No, I I think Christian was referring to like the Dave Z. Theory where Dave Z thought that Peter was the crazed man in the attic And I and I think I think I think if you turn away um a little bit, you can you can pick up on that, but by the end you you know that's not that's not the case.

Exactly. But they they even present it. Like they they try to say like they're showing him being cr uh kind of a crazed Uh troubled boyfriend, as you mentioned lowly. Uh he obviously he's studying in the music conservatory. Yet uh again if there uh Billy I know you're you're a musician and if there's any other musicians

Please chime in. But uh like what he's playing is like to me like discordant crap. I can't make heads or tails of it. I I feel like I can play the piano better by just walking over to it right now and and hitting keys. But again, I don't want to oversimplify it.

Uh and obviously he doesn't do well. Uh and that brings me to a whole other thing. I don't want to go on another like I could go on all these little tangents here ca of Jess's character as well. But I just want to focus on Peter because they they they kind of put him as a possible red hearing.

Yet as the viewer watching, we we know it really can't be true because of the geography of everything. It doesn't make sense with the way that they've edited the movies. So I don't understand how anybody could think that.

So I I'm assuming it's just a plot device to allow the police to feel like they've cleaned it all up at the end and give us the the the shock ending. Like I said, I know it's it's it's Billy in the attic. I just I'm wondering of that the construction and the insertion of Peter and how it all plays out there. Yeah.

Supposed to think he is the killer? Yeah. Like, did I miss something? Like, I thought I was dumb. Like, oh, did I miss something? It was him all along. So I remember being a little bit confused. And every time I've watched it since it's it's been clear to me. And I agree with you. I think it's just

It's a plot device to eventually get him in that basement in the end and have, like I said, the shock ending. That's that's the whole thing. And it's it's set up in in the conservatory and everything, so you might It would make sense so when John Saxon's character the the Sheriff or chief, whatever he is, sees that, you know, the after the aftermath of the destruction. And because it's really him who pushes him as a suspect to Jeff. Um to get her thinking about it.

And obviously other things have happened too, which I'm sure we'll get into as to why there's a conflict in the first place. But yeah, I really do think it's all setting up and think it's done well. Um the after that first time I was like, no, wait a minute, I'm not supposed to actually think he's a killer. It's we need just to think he's a killer so that could happen, right?

Well yeah, and and to Billy's def like what Billy was saying, I think Dade C had watched it multiple times to come to this conclusion and I'm like well they that it was bizarre to me because I I thought it was just within the plot structure and and and the way it's being delivered. I do feel like it's a little plot convenience that Peter decides to smash a window to get into the basement. I uh there is the throwaway line I think that uh he says, what was all that screaming about?

But he's he's so sort of casual while he's delivering that line. And kind of in that crazy state too. Well well Peter's been like living in like a an isolated room for eight years playing piano by himself. Like he's he's He's a little out there, man, you know? It should be better too. Sorry. I don't know what was going on on that. I'm listening to it and I'm like okay, is this some like kinda like? New way the jazz improv thing, but I'm like I I have no idea what's going on. And um

You know, and look, I have to say, I I'm pro I'm pro choice and all, and I'm also a man and I have without children. And so I, you know, I realize I have no right to tell a woman what to do or, you know, do what you gotta do, girl. But come on, she couldn't have waited like Couple of hours to let Peter know that she's pregnant. Like

Before that recital, like she's like, oh, by the way, I have um I've got your baby and or our baby and I'm gonna kill it and you can't do anything about it. Enjoy your fucking recital. Good luck. Yeah. Billy Billy, that's why I want to defend him because that is why he played as poorly. He is a soft You've learned watching the film. That mentally affected him to that degree. Listen, Lily, I'm not saying it's a realistic depiction, but that is what they're N um or

I you know what? I'm I'm outnumbered. I'm not gonna go into No, no, give us your give us your opinion. Like I like I'm I'm we're we're I'm not we're not I don't think any of us are saying he's like a good guy at Oh. I just think that that timing could have just been adjusted a little. I mean yeah, but I what would you do if you were pregnant? No, I'm just kidding. Haha. Um I don't know. I think he's a m a manipulator. I think he's

I don't know. Have any of y'all ever dated a musician? They're kinda they're kind of fucked up. up. Correct. I'm not saying that he's not a manipulator, but just So for him being Trump personally Trump. And then he tried to get her. Yeah. Yeah. Well enough airtime for the enough airtime for the white man. Let's let's keep it. Let's keep this this train moving. Let's talk about Jess instead.

So, Kanon, I'd love to hear, you know, what is your perspective on Jess as a final girl? You know, she doesn't fit by any stretch of the definition kind of what we know of a final girl now. So what are your thoughts on Jess? What are your thoughts on sort of like how she navigates her her situation, her pregnancy, and you know, into the finale? What do you think?

She I mean it was before Final Girls were invented, so I don't think she really goes against the trope when the trope wasn't fully established. Just the heroine that's not. to be. She seems pretty level headed. I like the way through the entire film and I don't blame her for thinking that it was Peter because just like how you guys were saying that I don't think it Said, no way, the guy in the attic must be Peter. I think they introduced that to give her her own doubt so that she doesn't.

the film. Not saying that she's just some damsel in distress, but she's caught up in a chain of things that she doesn't know how to comprehend. And that's how we end up at the ending where she has to make a fatal choice. Overall I think she's a very good thing. fate at the end.

You know, I'm always a big I'm I'm glad that she she killed Peter. I I'm always a proponent of that. As I said in my midsummer review, I think we should put more men in bears. I think that's the goal here. Christian, what do you think? What are your thoughts on Jack? Run Dan. Hey. I used to I I when I say used to, I still love Jess. Like she's she's fantastic as a character. I think O Olivia Hussey plays her amazingly. Uh

The I mean I I laugh every time she answers a phone because I don't think she can ever answer her phone and hear the person on the other end. Because she's like, what? Who? Who's this? Every time. Like watch the movie again. Every time she answers the phone, that brings me joy. I laugh every time. But that's just for comic relief. Um as a character, she's strong.

And the last couple of views, and I think we're maybe we're all dancing around this, so please, please don't take offense, but she comes across a little bitchy. Like we are dumped into this relationship or into her life. She seems to hate Peter. This particular point in time, probably because of the news she got, but we we don't know because the way she acts, like she doesn't want to be near him.

or with him at all. Um, so again, it it it's kind of cool because we're just dropped into there and we can draw our own conclusions. Um I think that adds to her character. Like she's uh doesn't want to drop her life.

Like he's like, Oh, let's get married. Come on, let's do She's like, No, I've got goals and dreams and I love that and and that's why I think we inevitably end up where we do and why you love the w the fact that you kill Speeder at the end because it it it's uh it's it ends up being just sort of a a cherry on the top. So yeah, I agree. I'm glad you brought that scene. That's a scene I noted. Olivia Hess Hussey is a good actress anyway, but I think she's genuinely

and the scene where she sits down and explains her reasoning for wanting the abortion because she has this is what I would do with my life you know, you've been doing this with your life. I still have things I want to do And I think that is I mean, obviously this movie came out in nineteen seventy four. It is very topical at the time.

you know, shortly after Roe v. Wade um went through. And I think, you know, she says what a lot of people were thinking. So it was a really good conversation. That was a really powerful scene. Um and I will just add that in my notes, I just wrote Peter is such an So I'm with you on that one lonely. I'm happy to see him go. He is just a real dick and and a lot of these a lot of these times he starts kind of rapping.

But uh I really thought it was a really powerful scene and one of the many reasons why I just love her as a character. Right. And just to echo you, Mike, as we go into closing thoughts, you know, this I think just as a character is

is a really important character when we think about the time. You know, even another sitcom I'm or a soap opera I'm watching right now is Knott's Landing, which is from 1979. And that conversations around the a woman's right to her body, which unfortunately is still a conversation that we're debating to this day, especially in our country.

It's so timely and for a character like she doesn't sway and she's not no one tries to convince her of anything other than Peter, but he's sort of not even convincing her of anything. He's sort of just on his own emotional tangent.

I think it's really important for a character and I think it's really important to see this in horror as well because it's one of those things where people say that horror isn't touching anything important. And here we have it. We have a really tough conversation like this happening amongst all of this craziness. So I love Jess as a character. I think that she was a final girl that could not be replicated and I think that is a lot of a lot of parts of Black Christmas are true in that way.

Any closing thoughts? Billy, any any other wild goose chase theories to throw at the board before we before we move on? Um d well, I would say I noticed Barb's death is very giallo esque with the lighting and the blood and the glass swans that that kind of broader giallo feel to me. Um and back to Jess, yeah, I just love how strong she is. And in that ending where

She finds out that the call is coming from in the house. But it's also set up that she s thinks she has two friends upstairs that are still alive. And it kind of locks in with the audience member as far as like what would you do? Would you run out? Would you go up and save them? And, you know, a lot of films would have her run out possibly, but this shows her strength. And I really like that. So if I could uh for my closing thoughts, I'm I made a list in my notes.

of what makes this movie Canadian. Like what's the most Canadian things about this movie? So Christian, you can tell me whether I'm way off base or or on. Uh so here's the the little list I made. Well the weather obviously that's beside the point. It's Christmas time.

Um, I like to assume that Margot Kidder was drinking Crown Royal Canadian whiskey. Uh there's no proof of that, but you know, it's kind of the right color. I noticed that no adults seemed to care that these kids were drinking, so drinking age of nineteen, isn't that not what it is in Canada? So that kind of stood out to me. Lots of men in fur coke. That felt very Canadian to me. Uh the cat's name is Claude.

both a French Canadian name and a funny cat pun. You know, Canadians have a great sense of humor. And just the fact that no one is concerned with Barb's burgeoning alcoholism. Like this just it's just Oh, oh Barb. You know, that seemed like a great uh kind Canadian response to her clearly disaster life. So what do you think, Christian? I did I did I hit some of the highlights of what makes us Canadian? You did and you left out hockey? But you you got I guess

The the hockey scene, yeah, for sure. They uh Barb mentions going skiing. Which uh you know is I mean you could I know you can ski in the States. I know you in Colorado. Let us do that anymore. Ne, ne, ne, ne, ne. And Flasio, right? You guys are big into that, huh? Yeah, that's very Canadian. Awesome. What a great scene. It's very polite. Mike to go off with Come up to their door. I mean their accents were just on Yeah. Those guys are. This sounds like Canada's version.

I I I'll just add to you there that one of those guys is, well, he has been in a handful of Canadian films, of course, and he's uh the bartender uh who uh tell talks about Harry Warden in a My Bloody Valentine. That sets up the booby trap uh of the minor in my bloody valentine. So he's one of the guys that pops up at the door there. That's a little bit of uh trivia. Thank you. That's all. And I'll just say the side character.

They give they give enough time, uh they put in a little enough care, like uh with even just the camaraderie in the in the the police station and the and the joking they've got going on around them. There's that scene where that one uh police guy's just laughing his head off. uh and John Saxon's trying not to laugh and and and and and the deputy at the front, uh just the the other like Barb, we we talked about Barb but A Andrea when when she hears um

Just uh Olivia Hussey say on the phone that uh she's pregnant and whatever, you can see her reaction. She doesn't say anything. But she knows and kinda sympathized with her that one little moment. Just little nuances like that are sprinkled it's it's throughout the whole film. They put a lot of care into that and you just realize that's why I think this is has such repeat uh watching uh value to it. But and so that's it. That's my sort of closing thoughts.

Quick interjection when to ask people what do you guys think of the first time? Black Christmas is like the Canadian, the town that dreaded sun. I think it's better than that, but yeah, there's there's something to that. For me it was the inner mix of the horror with the comedy and no no question. But I it kind of felt like the same out of no And it was in my second uh rewatch where I was just like, I can see some. and some of the town folks against the horror that was actually happening.

Okay. I'm gonna move us along. I know'cause we could talk about Black Christmas all night. It's a classic. We can we could go in and in and in. I think we have this next film is also gonna take this is gonna be a a doozy. Billy, I think you're up for our next one, right? So the second film we will be discussing was originally titled Network of Blood, written and directed by David Cronenberg. We have Video Drome from 1983.

Read. A Toronto cable TV station co-owner who specializes in adult entertainment searches for the producers of a dangerous and bizarre broadcast titled Videodrome with the tagline First it controls your mind, then it destroys your body. And fun fact, when Cronenberg was a boy, he would watch late night television and in Canada at a certain point the local broadcast would end and switch over to showing broadcasts from Buffalo, New York.

And this uncanny American late night content would eventually inspire David to write this screenplay. And appropriate or not, I first watched this film as a child in the late 80s. And of course, I had no fucking clue what was going on. And I've sub subsequently rewatched it every decade since, and I think I've finally grasped what's going on and I'm amazed at how prescient and valid it has been throughout the years.

Especially in regards to our current social obsession with screens and manipulation of information that has allowed people to create their own realities and yes, invoke their own forms of mind control. I personally think this film is a masterpiece and quite possibly Cronenberg's best original film that he has ever produced. What do you think, Christian? Oh Billy, that's music to my ears. Uh it's my one of my favorite films.

uh not just horror, one of my favorite films. So yes, it's my favorite Koenberg film uh of his and he's got a lot of heavy hitters as we well know. Uh I've watched this movie so many times and yet I feel like I still don't fully comprehend it or I'm always pulling something new out of it. That's gotta say something about the material here. Um, I mean, we're pretty much living the w like w what he was talking about now.

to a degree that this this was uh a prophetic film like i i mean uh i i don't want to sound cliche but it really is and so no it's great i'm i'm hoping this is gonna be universal tonight but i get we all have different tastes So I don't know who takes it from here, but yeah, this is this is absolutely fantastic. If you know anything about tr Canadian cinema, I'll just add another or Canadian television. Um I almost can guarantee this is about Moses Zymer.

who created City TV, which was kind of an indep like an independent channel to try to do things differently in Toronto. and would actually show blue movies at night. Uh and I know if you're in Buffalo or surrounded areas, you'd be able to tap into that. So it's almost the reverse of what Cronenberg experienced as a child. And that's how they gain their audience.

uh and playing cannibal girls almost on repeat every Saturday night, it seems. So that's just a little bit of Canadiana mixed in. But yeah, this film is awesome. So I'll follow Christian because this is every is everybody sitting down? Because this is gonna blow people away. I think this might be one of the first.

Sci-fi. Well, if you look if you read my reviews, this wouldn't be a surprise. But this is one of the first sci-fi films I actually truly enjoyed. Um, I know Billy was shocked. Billy, I think you texted me right after you saw my letterbox. I believe Girl, I was I loved this and if you've been reading my reviews long enough you know that I love Infinity Pool and I felt that Videodrome and Infinity Pool are definitely in the same family in that it's a very mean film.

Humans are stupid. Look how stupid we are. We do stupid things. And Videodrome is so fucking cool. It is probably one of the most influential horror films of all time. And Whatever feelings you have about the rest of Carning Bird's stuff, about sci-fi in general, it's hard to neg to argue how influential this film has been.

It's as Christian said, you know, it's still it's basically timeless. You know, we're still having the same conversation about consumption, media control, and it goes as far as to even talk about addiction and the way that we are pulled to things and the in the ways that we have to stop ourselves from being pulled into negative spaces. And what really sold this for me is I loved the dreamy aesthetic of this film.

It's a world that is supposed to be ours but doesn't look like ours. I the only thing I can compare this to is is more of something like David Lynch. It's almost like an alternate reality casino lobby. The the music in this is so fucking cool. It was so immersive. My biggest critique before I pass it over to Mike for his opening thoughts is I wish there was more sex in this. I really do. It could really lean heavier into the psychosexual of this, and I don't think it does.

And I think we needed more of that. We get enough, but with the amount of snuff we see, I feel like we should also see the same amount of sex to kind of like balance it out. Um, but maybe that's just me. But Mike, what are your opening thoughts? It's funny you mention uh the music'cause literally the first note I had was Howard Shore score nice.

Uh I did not know that he he did the score and he's gone on to win Oscars and be wonderful uh composer. So that makes a lot of sense here. Um I am not a huge Cronen Button curve. Let me say that again. I am not a huge Cronenberg guy. I've probably seen five or six of his films. And generally speaking, I I don't dislike them. But aside from the fly, before I'd seen this, this was a first time watch. Most of them are like a six or seven out of ten for me.

But I agree. Uh the fly is still my favorite, but that's not an original. Uh I think Billy South his fur his favorite original Cronenberg is this, and I would agree. Of the ones I've seen, this was fantastic. He is the king of what the fuck am I watching? Um my guy runs to like any kind of taboo. I mean talking about that sex scene of like there's scene of him like piercing a girl's ear. It is not n sanitary. That's all I was thinking during that. I'm like, what do we watch?

But he does. He creates his ability to create a strange disorienting world for you to inhabit is like second to none. Maybe David Lynch. That was a good that was a good comp lonely. Uh ever even in the movies I've seen of his I didn't really like that much. You can't deny that he's amazing at doing that. And I think this is a particularly strong one. I also uh noted like Christian mentioned how timely this is.

Even though it was forty some years ago. Um, it's a really interesting take on technophobia. I mean screen time will actually kill you in this movie. So I thought that was really powerful. Uh I do have a couple hot takes if I can say for a little bit later, but yeah, overall I was it's the first time I watched it, it's been on my list forever and I'm very, very happy. What about you, Kanan?

The first thirty minutes dragged on a lot for I was gonna do Um but then it started picking up and going off what Lonely said, uh I'm someone that does What's a good way to surrealistic dreamy because I always say there's something that's more This one is more size. So, whereas instead of like some of the old school Giallo's where, oh, it's just what you're supposed to feel like, this one just felt like he him hilarious.

thought of and that really pulled me in because along with the mystery that was things he was starting to see, the questionable genitalia growing on his chest. I mean the movie just kept So overall, I also really liked it. I gave it a seven. A great first. So Christian, I'm gonna give you the challenge. Ha ha Do you want to attempt to explain just briefly what's going on here in this film?

from I think I've changed my sort of hot take uh on on what what the what the what the plot is, but ultimately it seems like uh an organ uh organization is um experimenting with the video drone, which is a like a hallucinogen that would be uh sent over broadcasts so to ul ultimately um control and or uh create uh an army of sorts and you can program said army uh with

the right um signal and technology. Uh that that is sort of the like what I'm I'm stringing together as an underlining plot, but I don't know I I feel like I'm put piecing that together for some sort of structure or for some f from sort some sort of skeletal like Narrative? But I I really do think it's a it's a it's lucid. I don't actually know if it needs to follow that. I think uh Cronenberg might have been more interested and

I'm not even sure if this was him talking in an interview. I think it's just my take on it. More interested in just exploring the themes and seeing where they'll take them. The one thing I do know is that they were doing this movie, started the movie, without even the the ending. The ending wasn't even written yet. So it's almost like the movie uh uh maybe this will sound a little cliche, but or um pompous, but it's almost like it was living.

and breathing itself and it created itself. So it's it kind of like uh it wasn't because of script it wasn't because of budgetary issues or what we hear about, oh, we we started filming without a complete script. Um there was a there was some sort of scheduling conflict, but it it ended up working towards uh to make the movie a bit better in the sense of creating What was the tagline now? Long live the new flesh.

uh and what it became. I don't think I did any justice to explaining it, but that's that's my take on what I feel is happening sort of behind the scenes, uh, from the sense of some sort of narrative flow. And you know, isn't that the beauty of Cronenberg? You really could have said anything you wanted, Christian, and the m answer would still be right. Because I don't think we're ever gonna really know what the hell this is about. But Billy Andos is a favorite of yours, so

What do you have to add to that about what this what is this film doing? What is it trying to say? Is there any plot points you wanted to highlight? So yeah, I did a qu quick little write up of what I am grasping from what's going on and it's pretty close to what Christian said, but you you have a man, Max Wren.

looking for some trashy content for his television station, and he inadvertently stumbles upon a program meant to induce deadly brain tumors aimed at controlling and eradicating the undesirables of society. the undesirables of society. This strange signal also causes hallucinations that in turn might bring about the new flesh revolution. Now I'm pretty interested in like the the names of the characters here. You have Max Wren.

You have Debbie Harry as Nikki Brand. You have uh Bianca Oblivion and Brian Oblivion, who's Brian Oblivion is this media prophet. And then you have Barry Convict. And the thing that disturbs me the most about Cronenberg and we've touched on this a little bit, it's not so much his body horror or the clinical dry manner which he presents his themes and characters, emotional unraveling. It's how he seemingly has his finger placed on the pulse of society and uses that pulse to see the future.

Just about all of his films. They're you can take them and and watch them when they first came out and they pertain pertain to what's going on to society, but then 20, 30, 40 years later, it's like they pertain even more. And that's kind of wild. I also enjoy, well, I don't know if I say enjoy, but I'm interested by the way he handles sexuality in his films. And he kind of presents things in a weird um cross between exploitation arthouse.

and uh like a splatterfest sex ed video and it's dreamy, it's weird, it's clinical. And the film, you know, of course the themes of manipulation and control via technology. Um And then we get into the all the body horror, you know. I mean we have

infamous, you know, stomach chest vagina that I believe originally was supposed to look more a little bit more like a VCR and it just came out looking like a vagina. And I am old enough to have watched films on Betamax, which is the type of tape that they used to stick into his chest because the regular VHS tapes were too big.

Uh that that's a ma like there's a little bit of one of those scenes where his arm looks a little bit wonky, but when they have him set back where uh James Woods is, you know, basically what they got going on is his body's hidden under the couch and they have a false chest. appliance applied to him, but it looks great. And then a s that on top of the TV when he's having hallucination and the TV starts like Yeah.

veins pop out on the TV and it's like undulating and breathing and then like he sticks his head into it and it at one point it explodes. You have like an explosion of a tumor monster at one point. It's just it goes batshit. And uh I I love it, man. Look, Kanan, uh you as the doctor here, what did you think of this body horror? The most shocking thing'cause I had to cross reference. This film came before Tether. So I thought it would have No, I think Tetsuo was inspired by this film.

Um the sort of There is Metallo. was very interesting to me. One of the scenes that caught into was uh when he tries to get back at one of the villains, uh sticks his hand into sticks the villain's hand into his chest, and then it turns into something and he blows up. I didn't quite understand the one of those German grenades, the ones that they instead of our round ones, it's the stick ones that you click before tossing. Yeah. I had no clue.

It started clicking with me where I'm like, Oh, the new flesh is Media with the people all coming together, and it can change anything into whatever it wants to be, and that's why the ending has to be the way. 'Cause then the new flesh can be born from the corpse of the old Over uh n I actually don't have too many medical comments.

Um in my uh in my segment I am going to go over one thing called Mass Effect, which isn't just a video game. It is uh what happens when things in the body press against others. And in this case, it's not really clear if the tumor in his brain is actually causing the hallucinations or if it's growing enough. merch depending on what parts of the body that it pushes the what parts of the Субтитры сделал DimaTorzok

Nice. And I believe there was an alternate ending, maybe filmed even, where it cuts to Max Wren and Brian Oblivion and I'm not sure either either Nikki or Bianca, but they're kind of like off in anotherworldly kind of video drome. existence kind of looking down upon the world. Has anyone heard of this or am I the only one? I have not. I so now I'm I'm gonna have to go through all my special features again.

I don't recall reading this or or or or I don't think they filmed it, but I I again that'd be interesting. Okay. I I listened to a podcast recently um on the evolution of horror and they were talking about it, and I had never heard that before. I I will say that uh that that effect with the uh the the ticking t the bomb is my least favorite effect in the in the film. I agree that that could have been done better. It seems

It seems a little chintzy comparatively to everything else that Rick Baker and crew were able to could uh to create in the in the film. So I'm with you on that one. Um I guess that's why they had to really put in that ticking sound. So you really knew what was going on there.

So I have a question, Christian, for you. So when you think about Videodrome and I know we've we've said a lot of positive things about it, is there anything that you would say you know when you look at the Cronenberg resume and you know the way sci-fi has changed is there anything about the film that you think doesn't age well I mean...

The look is very I mean, this might have been what he was going for. It it's very sterile. Like all of his films kind of look very similar, uh, when you look at the progression from um Shivers, rabid. They all have the sort of the same look and in and style. Yet I feel like that i it's almost too sterile and and I I don't I don't know. I I I don't know if it's this film stock itself.

But something about it, that's the one thing I wish I could change. I want it to look, dare I say, more like a John Carpenter film. So I have something I would change. Uh sorry. We go ahead, Christian. I didn't mean to cut you off. Th this is my potential hot take. Uh maybe it's not, maybe you guys will agree. I don't know. Uh first of all, I I did think it was kinda funny to me.

Uh Max Wren is basically like the Jason Blum of pornography. Like he just basically says, I'm trying to find cheap things that I will make money and I know the audience will want it. And I thought it was very funny to me. But that leads to my my hot take potentially. I didn't like James Woods in this movie. I don't think he was good. And I I've liked him in other things quite a bit, actually. Uh

especially as it wore on, I d I didn't feel like he was up for it. I would I would kill to see either nineteen eighty three Harrison Ford or Michael Douglas in this movie instead. I think it would be I think that character would be more interesting. That's my hot take. I could be completely wrong. I love the supporting cast, Jebra Harry, I thought was fantastic. But James Woods that was like the weak link of the movie. That's what I would change if I could change anything.

That's interesting. Yeah, yeah. Like, and because I mean, if you're familiar with some of Cronenberg's other films, he kind of often has, you know, I'm thinking of scanners, um, some people who don't act very well at all. And I believe he said, uh, Kronenberg had said that James Woods was something to the extent of he's on the same level as an actor. Cronenberg was at a director at that time, but apparently Mike thinks not.

Yeah, no, he just and again I like him in other things. I don't think he's a bad actor. And I'm not even saying he's necessarily acting badly in this. For the character he didn't work for me the whole time. I was with like I said, I was with him early on, but as it went on I kinda lost it. And and maybe it was that I was just fantasy casting like how good Harrison Ford, not that he was gonna make be in this in nineteen eighty three, but I don't know.

I think it cares I think if Harrison was in it, you wouldn't get that s that that sleaziness because James Woods is kind of a sleazy dude, or at least he has kind of some strange views that help you buy his sleaasiness a little bit better. I think Harrison Ford would just be grumpy.

Yeah, Michael Douglas could be the skeevy though. He's a good uh he's a good skeevy guy, especially back then. So maybe he'd be a better one. But um that's just me. That's just in uh that was that was the quote unquote weak link of the movie to me. Still loved it, but that's one thing I I'd like to use my closing thoughts. I'm using my I feel like we're like speakers in the house. I'm like returning my time. I'm using my closing thoughts to highlight how hot Harlan is.

Ten out of ten. Ten out of ten would watch again. Gorgeous gorgeous man. Apologies to my husband who's going to edit this um audio. I also think he's so he's just like such a chaotic chaotic character. The scene where he goes into the apartment and he's like

What's going on? Like'cause the guy's like absolutely losing his fucking mind. He's like, uh, they're coming to get me. And he's like, Yeah, they are. They're coming to get you. And he's like fucking with him because you don't know at that point that he's He's the bad guy. Um, but yeah, that's my that's my two cents. I think he's gorgeous. I think this film is gorgeous. I think he looks like Jeffrey Comb. I don't know who that man is. Hold on. Hold on. Hold please. Well please let me Oh yeah.

No, I don't see it. I don't see it built Oh, I see it now. I found a picture with glasses. Okay. Oh, that's the reanimator guy. See look at me being a fake fan. I swear to god I'm not you guys do this, you're like, Oh you remember that guy from this movie seventeen years ago? And I'm like, No, and everyone's like, Oh my god, only the fake fan. Anyway Closing thoughts, anybody else? Christian, anything else you'd like to offer on Video Drum'cause it's one of your favorites.

Uh there I mean we could we could talk about it. I like you said, like Black Christmas, we can go on probably forever, or just some of the other things that are cool, the the Cat Catherine Ray mission, which again is a take on like all the names at s like Billy was alluding to, if you really um look up everything it's it's

uh electronics or electrodes or rays or or anything like with with the T V or technology. It's sort of all intermixed. So, you know, a lot of that went into everything of just character names, but like the name of the mission that Brian O'Bri Oblivion and his daughter run. Um just cool things like that. A again it gives a nice little like you can really see Toronto come through there. Uh and yeah, and I guess of course Pittsburgh is to blame for Yeah.

Here we are again, pruning everything for Canada. Why can I go? Okay. Um I was gonna say for me, I I picked up on just a few films that this reminded me of. And it was like if you mix the hypnotic metaphysical sexuality of from beyond with the hallucination within a hallucination aspect of total recall and the sleeper agent mind control of the Manchurian candidate. You get the video word made flesh, the new flesh, and to quote the film of video circus or arena, video drone.

Mike, any closing thoughts? Now other than uh I didn't know the guy, but whoever played Brian Oblivion, I didn't know the actor's name, his voice is awesome. Like that was really good casting. Like when he was just talking over even the screens, um I Like that again, goes back to the uh sound like we were talking about earlier. But uh yeah. No, this is a good one. I I think I said my hot take, so I'll I'll cede my time to others.

No uh no further hot takes from me either. Um I can see the once I saw this film, I saw at horror um slash torture shows. But uh like I said, as a first time uh Cronenberg film. Nice. If you guys want cannon to watch the entire Cronenberg resume. Listen, Mike and I have watched a lot for this show. We've watched Possessor, we've watched Crimes of the Future. And Infinity Pool. Were those all in the same fucking episode, Mike?

Yeah. I mean two of those are the younger Cronenberg and he's he's he's batting the little But yes you you can skip crime. only will agree with me on that. Yeah, unless you want The second one or both? Uh just. Yeah, you should watch the brand in. Yeah. The original crimes of the future or the new Oh my god, there's more than one?

Oh yeah, no, it's essentially like a redoing of I believe it's a short, but I'm not I even I still haven't even seen that and stereo or whate or th w some other one that he did early in his career. as well. But uh his latter films, unfortunately, I think Billy you'll agree with me on them. They just

th he he he's they're not ex they're not entertaining. They need an adrenaline shot. It's it it's like watching paint dry, unfortunately. I hate to say it, but uh I felt that with both crimes was actually the better of the two. But I felt that with both crimes and The shrouds, yeah. Oh, shrouds, man. I almost walked out of the theater on that one, man.

Yeah, it's a it's it's unfortunate. But it it seems like his his son is is definitely uh, you know, like you said he's batten his h high batting average so far. See, I can't I don't know who the guy is who played the reanimator. I can't keep the fucking Cronenbergs apart. This is not my my best episode. Also reporting back, Brandon Cronenberg isn't is not as hot as the guy in the movie.

Just for the record. Just putting that out there. But let's move far away, far, far away from the Cronenbergs. We're done. We're done with that. We're done with that chapter. And we're gonna wrap up our film conversation tonight with a spotlight film. So whenever we spotlight film, it's to make sure that we are highlighting the cultures of the communities that we're discussing. So we wanted to feature a work from the indigenous communities in Canada.

So for those who don't know, Indigenous the Indigenous peoples in Canada, also known as Aboriginal Canadians, are comprised of three different groups of people. The First Nations, the Inuit and the Metis, excuse my pronunciation on any of this. My uh my French Canadian heritage is is dying as we speak right now.

And altogether these people represent roughly five percent of the total Canadian population. There are over six hundred recognized First Nation governments or bands in Canada with distinctive cultures, languages, music, and art. The film we're featuring tonight was written and directed by Nila Inuksuk, an Inuit director from Ecloot, the northernmost city in Canada. The Inuit people primarily reside in the Arctic and subarctic regions of North America.

With the largest population residing in Canada dating back as far as 1050 AD. Also, Mike, d no one was going to tell me that they don't say AD anymore. They say B it what how do they say it now? After Common Era or something? Yeah, it's B C E and A C E I think. Yeah. I don't do. Yeah. Even I don't. Yeah, it's it's to get the Christianity out of there.

I know. Yeah. Well, A D I'm gonna say A D, so hopefully that's I I don't get any lose any points for that. But this is all to say. The film we're talking about to finish up our episode is Slash Back from twenty twenty two. When Micah and her ragtag friends discover an alien invasion in their tiny Arctic hamlet, it's up to them to save the day. Utilizing their makeshift weapons and horror movie knowledge, the aliens realize you don't mess with the girls from Pang.

So this was a last minute ad to the episode, and I had heard a lot of negative feedback about Slashback, honestly. So I was kind of I don't know what to expect going into it. It has pretty um, it's not dismal ratings, but it's not people don't think very fondly of it. And I don't know. I really liked this film. I I don't know, I'm kind of going two for two for sci-fi today, guys.

This film has so much heart. I think it's really cute. And I think it's more of a teen scream, if anything, but it's really fun. There's some really interesting creature work that they do in this film that I think is really cool. And one of my favorite parts about the film is that they used a whole cast of people from the community that the film was was shot. So they brought in acting coaches, they did acting workshops with this community.

to ensure that they had a fully Inuit cast, which I think is awesome. And the girl who plays Micah actually is working on another horror film, which is supposed to come out soon. Um I saw that on our IMDB when I looked at this. I think this is fun. Is it deeply intense? You know, we're not seeing blood and guts and we're not getting some major life changing story here, but I think it's a lot of fun. It's got gorgeous scenery. The kids aren't that bad for kids who haven't acted before.

But that's just me. Christian, have you seen this film before you watched it for the show? Yeah, this is my second time. I actually saw it. So I guess it's now on Crave. Or sorry, it's on uh excuse me, on Shutter, but we have a streaming service in Canada called Crave. And uh they obviously specialize in in all content, but they highlight Canadian content. So I I came out the year I saw this a few couple of years ago initially when it first I guess came out on streaming.

And so the first time I saw it, I didn't know any of the history. I didn't know it. I went in blind and I wasn't a big fan. I'm like, this is this is really felt kind of amateurish and whatnot. But watching it again now, lonely, I can't disagree with what you're saying. Like I and I also read up on it a bit. You've gotta just you can't be so hard on the movie. It's is it a home run? Absolutely not. It's cute. The kids do their best.

Some can't deliver a line to save their life, but it's the fact that it reminds me of making movies with my friends and whatnot, but at another level. It just it has just a little bit of a spit polish to it. that that makes it a little it the charming quote that you said that that sums it up. It's charming. It's hard to recommend because it's not going to win people over. It's cutesy. It's not intense.

But I had a lot more fun with it the second time and it was a little bit more forgiving uh with my my overall rating and viewpoint. Yes, all right. Oh sorry. No, I was gonna pass it over to you Mike anyway. You're like reading my mind. That's right, it's what I do. Uh yeah, I sort of feel similarly to Christian. Uh This is one of those movies I'm just happy it exists. It was clearly made by horror sci fi fans, specifically fans of one of the greatest movies of all time, the thing.

And it came from a place where people don't often emerge to become filmmakers. Um which is great. And I'm always going to be predisposed to like a movie that is set in a place uh amongst a culture I know little to nothing about.

'Cause I like to learn things and I think that's cool. Uh that's why I love things like Indonesian horror,'cause I just feel so disoriented and I wanna know about the culture. Um, and yeah, I mean, i no, the acting's not great. The effects vary from okay to terrible at times.

But yeah, I was very forgiven of it too because I knew where it came from, I knew who was making it, it was very authentic and it there very much came from a place like love, which I think is what you said, Lomely. So yeah, I'm with you on that. I again if you if I think if you know these things going in, which sounds like Krishna you read up on before the second watch, I think you're more likely

I hate to say tolerate, that sounds bad. Um, to enjoy your time with it and and appreciate what has been accomplished. What about you, Billy We then? So yeah, this is my second time watching it. And the first time was when it just was released. And I looked back at my review and I gave it a two out of five and didn't think much of it. And I was the one who was a little apprehensive about, you know, putting this on the show.

Uh I got my wife to watch it with me. And this is not like the depressing, brutal shit that I normally like that she hates. And she had a big smile on her face the whole time and was like cheering on the girls. And it made me appreciate it a lot better. That mixed with just the beautiful scenery, which I think really draws you in. And this is I believe this was filmed in the summer. So they pretty much had the almost twenty four hours of daylight there.

you know makes sense because in the in the plot at one point the parents go to a party and you're kind of like at for a minute you're like it seems like the middle of the day but if Could be eight o'clock at night. And yeah, back to what Lonely said about um the director. Not being able to find like a casting agent. So yeah, she set up the workshops and was able to like get these girls.

in in into acting and was able to switch around different characters and see what worked well and hang out with them and get a bit of a sense for how they talk to each other, which I did think helped even though they can't. As Christian said, some of the line delivery is horrible. I do feel they are less than a lot of people.

bit more to how, you know, young girls sound. At least I think so. I honestly don't know what the hell I'm talking about because I don't know how how young girls sound. But uh anyways, yeah, it's it's a it's a fun one, you know, it's it's lighthearted, it's sweet. What about you, Canon? I'm not gonna hammer it too much more, but same thing with you guys. Uh once about 25% of the way in the film, I realized if I could just code shift the way I was watching.

Yeah. Just like how Lonely was mentioning with the horror designs, I think that the Not particularly, but I didn't know. And just like that. The the actual The actors wasn't the best, but it was believable enough for me that it didn't really So the plot of this film is we have this group of young girls who are it's the longest day of the year and their parents are going to a dance and they're kind of left unattended.

Prior to them going her their parents going to the dance, they venture off to a nearby sort of like hamlet where they're not supposed to be by themselves. And there's a run-in with a polar bear, end quote. Surprise, it's not a polar bear. Also, there's a subplot about some American guy who gets like eaten by the alien like in an iceberg. He's sort of like non consequential. He's just like there to introduce the alien as existing. But anyway.

They get attacked by a polar bearer, in quotes, and we find out that it's an alien that abs goes into the skin of other living creatures to get closer to humans to drink their blood and I we assume to take over the world, maybe? Question mark. I don't know. Aliens are none of my business. But this polar bear It's creepy as fuck.

Like humbly, the way it's like shambling with the feet. I think if I saw that in the in real life, I would be freaked out. And then Kanana, you said it too, the the skin suit. I I know they look if you look too closely at it, you're like, oh my god, that's literally just a guy in like a weird mask. But when you don't, if you just suspend your belief just slightly, it's creepy as fuck. Like imagine if you saw that coming at you.

But so the girls are they're trying to defeat these aliens and it's a fun little um goose chase. They learn about friendship and the importance of culture and heritage and all that great stuff. But Christian, what did you think of some of the the creatures in quote in this film? I'm really hard if you ever listen to me on the other shows. I come down on on um CGI a lot and in mainstream films for this low budget movie that pulls. Or bear work.

I c I'm with you. I was like, I mean, okay, it's not perfect, but again, budget to output and whatnot, it was fine. It it it delivered. And I'm like, Well if if this movie could do it, why can't movies with

ten, twenty, twenty times or more the budget, not nail it because this is how you do it. And they they you know, they try to shoot around it a bit. That's good directing. Then like work within your means and and how you do it. So from that standpoint, again, when the skin suits concept is freaky. Execution, yeah.

Yeah, suspend your disability. You said Lonely. It's it it's creepy. Um and yeah, you can't again, I said it earlier, you can't be too hard on a movie that its goal is uh empowering girls uh to to not just to fight to embrace their their their culture and heritage, uh, to be proud of where they came from. Um

So I mean again i it it's winning. I had some issues with geographically. I mean th they take a boat. They there's a big setup of them taking the boat out for the for the afternoon or whatever and and not getting permission for it. It looks like they're boating for a bit. Again, I don't know how long But it seems like little sister is able to ride her bike to where they were as well, so I kind of got Confused as too.

What was going on with that? But I mean w w w again, I'm like, oh well, what are you gonna do? But I they could have probably explained that a bit just with a throwaway line of dialogue. Right, right. But anyway, I mean I'm I'm nitpicking. I wanted to add'cause Billy made a comment earlier about what well actually Mike is probably the expert as the teacher, as if kids really sound like this, but

I will say there was a couple lines that I was sitting there and I was like, Oh my God, that's something my my cousin would say. I I took my fifteen year old cousin to the movies before our undertone review and That was a a lot of bros in that conversation. She was like, she gets in the car, she's like, Hey bro. I'm like, I'm not your bro.

I'm twelve years older than you. I remember when you were born. So yes, I think kids talk like this. I think if you were to give it a little bit more animation, not as stiff as the as the way it's delivered here, but Mike, confirm or deny, do do kids talk like this? Oh let me confirm something for you, bruh. Um'cause it's it's often bruh, not bruh. Um Yeah, I mean especially the way that the the

Do you have enough data and being able to watch and show things on their phones or whatever? Um which obviously was part of the the theme, like you said, about embracing their own heritage. I noted the line, uh, which was admittedly quite a bit on the nose, but when one of the girls says aliens pretending not to be aliens. Like an Inuke pretending not to be an Inuke. I was like, Oh, theme stated. Um Yeah.

I mean it was good. I mean, yeah, again, very heavy handed, but that's what it was about. And um yeah, like I said, I think the I think they were written as What again, my version obviously is seen with American teens. This is obviously a very different place. But yeah, I think that part was fine. It was just the like you said, the whether it's the writing, the performances maybe didn't match it. But no, I thought it was pretty good, bro. Yeah. And uh I wanna say in regard to the skin suit.

I was very proud of my wife because as we're watching it, she goes, it looks like leatherface. And I was like, yes, honey, it does look like leatherface. And apparently the director looked to she's a big fan of Texas Chainsaw Massacre and looked to that as inspiration. And the the guy

I it was just one person in the film portraying the infected or whatever, but he's one of those weird contortionists who can bend backwards and he's m you know, multi-jointed in all of his joints and everything. And so I thought that was great. One scene that I thought I wanted to highlight is

And I actually thought it was kind of creepy. Or maybe two. So there's one where they're in the the box, the crate, the shipping crate, and they're like peering through the opening in the shipping crate and they see the the creatures like shambling towards them. I thought that was creepy. I thought that was pretty good. And then when Uki is that she's like pretending to be bait or is bait, I guess, and she's crawling through, I don't know, some kind of building and they have to pull her out.

I thought that was pretty there was some there was some what is that word? Suspense. There's some suspense happening there. I thought that was pretty good. Yeah. And um did anyone get a uh at the end there, a Goonies vibe? I I got it at the beginning. I can't believe I was gonna say it earlier. Like the um Astoria, this there's nothing to do around here. I got it right at the beginning when they're talking about fifty or five bucks will buy you like the island pretty much.

or whatever it was that ch the fifteen dollar trade off. So I did get a goodies vibe, but for me it was at the beginning. I got a Lost Boys vibe is what I got at the end. Like when they're all getting all their supplies together for their final plan and everything and the girl puts on that badass coat that says No Justice on Stolen Land I was like, Yeah, let's go.

Uh but yeah it reminded me of that scene. Uh it's the part where I used to always as a kid I used to rewatch Lost Boys all the time and I would always start it with forty minutes left when they're getting all their shit together to take down the vampire. So it kinda reminded me of that scene. Right. And that's the that's the only like F bomb I think in the film is when one of them says you don't fuck with the girls from paying. Damn right. Yeah. Good use of it.

When it's not overdone, yeah, it it hits home. And I just want to say I also have a soft spot for any movie that has the getting ready sequence. I love'em. I when I do the little family movies, I pop'em in there all the time. So they have that little quick montage sequence, you know, like out of everybody's favorite action movie where they like throw in a bandana, pull out the knife blade, strap up their boots or whatever.

Love it, sucker for it each and every time. And they wedged one into here. So that was great. Okay. I know that we I'd love to talk more about this film, but it's kind of it is what it is. It's on its face and it that's there's not anything deep happening here. We did Mike brought us back to theme. So Kanan, do you want to close us out with any thoughts on Slashback? Um n no, d just my the way I interpreted it. try and break into horror. Closing thoughts from the room?

Watch it with your kids. Have a good time. Greetings, my fellow clusters of Purulance. I'm Plague Dr. Al and this is my of alluring aroma. Astonishing anatomy. Where in Check the cuts. Here with me tonight is my favorite Flander lonely. Yeah. stall this flesh, I shall choose a delightful fragrance to pair with the anatomy review for the most holistic horror experience. Now, let's pull out our Grey's Anatomy and our DSM5 tomes and let's get eviscerating.

Lonely, we've already done one of these segments. Are you ready to be mystified once more? Yeah, I actually was thinking about how scared I am to return. to the segment.'Cause I have now I just look at things with brand new eyes, you know. I watch I was watching video drome and I was like, Oh no, oh no, I don't know what that's gonna pull out this time. So

I'm ready, ready to be educated, ready to be disturbed. And I think this is the only segment on the show that's gonna do that for me. So let's let's get into it. Also Is Gray's Gray's anatomy, is that like a reference to something? Is that a real thing this whole time and I just never know? It is the medical tome that most doctors worked with. That's what the whole thing is.

Serious? I didn't know. I didn't know that. I feel silly. I thought it was like the name of the hospital or some shit. And my mom's been watching that for like however many decades that show has been on. But Whatever, whatever. Just another we're not even into the movies yet and I already look like a fool. So let's just let's just get into it. Okay. So for our first for our first film today, we're going to go over Black Christmas.

Now, just like that first segment I did, I'm gonna try and have a general theme between the anatomy, cause Black Christmas I'm gonna say is a little bit more straightforward of just murder, murder. But I found a couple connecting things. So the general theme for Black Christmas's medical review is. Loss of self. For the first topic we're going to cover related to the first kill is Spixyate.

Which most of us know. But the technical term for asphyxiation, also known as the state of asphyxia, is a condition of deficient supply of oxygen to the body, which arises from abnormal breathing. And then in this case, asphyxia causes generalized hypothesis. To define that further, hypoxia is the state of low oxygen in blood. So losing the blood, losing the oxygen to you is asphyxiation. And then when you don't have the oxygen in you, that is the hypoxia.

Well this one's definitely very straightforward because the first kill in Black Christmas is the plastic bag, right? The plastic bag choking. So that's that one's very straightforward. I have to say, I have heard this word before and I my guess is that most of the listeners have as well. So this one is is a little bit demystified, but still valid.

Correct. And with all that technicality I had in the definitions, the the way I describe it to people is if you've ever heard of something like uh obstructive sleep apnea where people can't breathe at night, they're not they are technically asphyxiating themselves through their own anatomy or regular breathing. And that's what causes the low oxygen that comes from it. So that's why there's a little bit of a difference in determining

Or to put it to you in another way, like if someone gets really sick from like sepsis, it could lead to hypoxia without having asphyxiation. Like kind of like a square is a rectangle, rectangle's not square. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And listen, I love my husband dearly, but

We had some rough, rough times with his sleep apnea. He now has a lovely CPAT machine. I love you. I love you, Daniel. He's gonna be editing this like, what the fuck are you doing? It's the truth. He has a CPAT machine. It saved our lives. Literally. Literally everything you would simply. And it's a just for the audience out there, the new age CPAP machines are much quieter than the old school ones. So if you have to get one, do not be afraid. It will be a good

For you. But just to just to end asphyxia, the only thing I wanted to comment about the film is it's pretty straightforward. Most kills are depicted accurately in films where it don't a couple seconds, not a couple seconds, but less than like half a minute before someone truly asphyxiates using a plastic bag, and that plastic bag is very efficient if you can't poke a hole through it.

So moving on to the next topic related to loss of self, we have another thing most people know is an asthma exact. So what is asthma truly? Asthma is a long-term inflammatory disease of the airways that can be characterized by varying recurrence symptoms that pretty much reduce your lung function. So things associated with asthma, most people know wheezing, coughing, chest tightness, shortness of breath.

Whenever it gets suddenly worse, that's what we call an asthma exacerbations. And that can occur when someone is sick, when someone's not getting enough oxygen, if they're exposed to any particular allergens or particles, it causes all the mucus in their lungs to build up and then they can't breathe easily. Amen. So that's in the case of uh I forgot her name, but it's one of the reasons why she needed to get an inhaler.

Yes, and you know, as you started this description, I'm like, who the heck has asthma in the film? Clearly I forgot one of the entire kills. That isn't how she dies, but it's like a critical plot point is she's like laying. Oh yeah, she's got both. She's got both. Yeah,'cause she's laying in bed, then she has to get the inhaler and then she's like super exhausted, so they leave her alone or some shit. And that's how her kill happens, which is very dramatic.

I good catch. That is like such not a pivotal part of the film. And I don't know how many people actually remember that. Yeah, and like I said, uh, this section is just to teach people about fun stuff that they might see in horror films. The only other thing I wanted to mention about this uh is What exactly is asthma? Essentially it's an unfortunate genetic roll of the dice where some people just have allergic exposure to certain things that can cause.

regular allergies, so stuff like no nasal symptoms, eye symptoms, it can cause eczema. And in this case it can actually cause your lungs to have issues. So asthma is a disease. Why do people get it? Um And I thought it'd be fun to mention it just because how many times does that come up in a horror film? Well, oh no, you have to save the kid because he's having a exact has my exacerbation, but his inhaler's behind the monster.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Or when not entirely relevant, but every time I talk about allergies, I think about the movie My Girl and the Bees. Yeah, that's always my allergy reference. Let's go on to the last topic, which relates directly to the girl with the asthma exacerbation. We're going to cover alcohol. Now I'm gonna skim some of this because the actual clinical definition for alcohol use disorder is Extensive.

Alcohol use disorder involves a problematic pattern of alcohol use that leads to significant distress or problems functioning. Symptoms can include drinking more alcohol over a short period or long period more than intended, trying to cut down on it unsuccessfully, having continuous cravings, or just having a strong urge to use.

Um, like I said, there's about nine other criteria, and it's actually pretty surprising to me how many of my patients I can see that meet the criteria for this just by drinking three drinks a day. Doesn't sound like a lot, but that is meeting the criteria of use disorder.

We are just we sound like poster children for alcoholism because we covered alcoholism in our addiction episode. It's featured in my segment of Ghost of the Machine. We do Dan and I do a whole section on alcoholism and now we're revisiting it. So

If you need an opinion on how we feel about alcohol here at Nobodies, I guess there's a really strong one that we're we we're just educating. We're educating on what alcoholism is. The first step to recovery is acceptance. So But this one's more of an obvious one in the film because we have the I forget her name and it's terrible, but she's one of the main characters who is always on the phone in addition to the main character and she as my noted is probably an alcoholic.

And they treat her like, oh, that's just her. You know, she's just always completely blitzed out and we have to take care of her, get her inhaler, stop her from saying weird things that make fathers feel bad about their daughters potentially dying. Oh, you You know. Yeah. Yeah, that's just her personality. Just a personality flaw, nothing else.

And so I know a lot of this stuff, like I said, may seem like a couple scramble different things because technically they're not all connected, but in general I think it represents uh Black Christmas well because Almost everything that happens to each of the main characters is some kind of loss of self. Billy himself is a loss of self because I don't think the original Billy is there anymore just due to whatever traumas he's experienced.

Um, the main character, she continuously starts to lose her friends and lose control of her situation. And then in the case of the depths, it is something wherein Billy takes away the agency of another person. So I felt felt like that all fit together. Otherwise, before I pick my fragrance, any other comments lonely.

No, I think this one was really straightforward and there wasn't despite this being a slasher, this isn't a very bloody film. It's very moody, so that we didn't have a lot of splatters and and guts to talk about in this one. It was more So more common things that we actually can recognize and see as an audience.

And be careful. A lot of the people would say it's not a slasher. It's a proto slasher, which I think goes well for it because it doesn't become uh quiche uh the kitsch. It's uh it sets the stage for everyone. And I think it's more meaningful that way. But the fragrance that I'm going to pair with Black Christmas, oh, and in general audience, today's themes for the fragrances and in honor of the Canadian horror films, I am basing them off Canadian fragrance uh companies.

So the one I'm going to start with for Black Christmas is Zoologist's Moth. Zoologist is a famous brand that bases all their colognes off animals. They're highly unique. I have two of them. I recommend them if you are able to sample any of them. Moth. is directly related to a moth. And if you look at it online, it looks like a very regal aristocratic moth. The notes of moth include naphthalene, also known as mothballs, dim crawl spaces, wooden floorboards, and bewildering.

Now again, I don't want to actually say the real notes that are in there, so just take that as a mystical way to see if you could get into a phrase. And I have done my homework as my contribution to the segment. And as Kanan said, this is a cute little round bottle and there's a little cute little moth on it. And he's got a little floor coat. He's just a cute little guy.

And I'm a big fan. I see I'm a loser. I do this with perfume, I do this with wine. If it's got good packaging, I buy it. So this would get me just for the cute little guy. And it's recommended that you wear this in wintertime. Correct. Uh when it's really cozy and you're inside, the fire's going, the wood is creaking, you feel some of the mothballs from the closet coming out, it's perfect.

Let's move on to our next film that we featured, which is Videodrome. So the general theme I had for Video Drome is pressuring forces. Very generic, but the way I'm going to say is external forces pushing inward onto our characters.

The first topic we're going to cover is what's known as mass effect. Phenomenal video game, but not what we're covering in this case. In medicine, a mass effect is the effect of a growing mass that results in secondary pathological effects by pushing on or displacing surrounding tissues. And in the context of the film, it is what is happening from the brain tumor that is growing in the main character's head and from anyone else that watches video drome. Questions?

So is there a medical explanation for the the stomach hole or is that just Cronenberg fun time? That is one hundred percent Cronenberg. Okay, great. So there's no so good news everyone, we do not have to worry about developing a stomach hole. A tumor, maybe, that's reasonable, but not a stomach hole, noted.

And if you want me to be my my own personal opinion on what happened in the film, I don't think that actually that stomach hole existed. I think he was hallucinating it and the place that he put his gun was just a place that he could not remember what it was until it was available for him. Hmm. Valid. I like that. I like that a lot.

And kind of like on the Billy D version of like um thinking thinking of conspiracies for films. Um, for this one, I saw actually a lot of the kills, especially with the body changes that happen to people. didn't necessarily have to be his body actually changing and it was just him hallucinating. Like for instance, the grenade kill, I could easily see a man bringing in a live grenade and causing that man to blow up with it.

True, true. And I think the ultimate reality vibe we get with the film really supports a lot of that too. And then going directly into that, we're going to cover a topic that I love to dissect with people because there is a big difference between these three terms, hallucinations, delusions, and illusions. An illusion, which is a misinterpretation, is when a real object or stimulus is distorted by the brain.

So for instance, a common one is when you look in a dark corner and you see a coat hanging up and you think it's the famous Hat Man or the oasis in the desert. That's what an illusion is. Now compare that to a hallucination, which is a false perception. That is when your brain creates an image that actually isn't.

Or sorry, or a sound or a feeling that isn't there. So this is typically what happened to people with schizophrenia where their brain is hyperactive in a certain area and you actually think that you're hearing sounds or seeing things that aren't there. And then finally a delusion is purely belief-based, almost mental. It is a fixed false belief held with such strong evidence, even if there is some to the contrary.

uh often seen a lot of mental health conditions. So essentially pretty much what you could ever imagine with a parasocial relationship or the people at stock stars and think that they love them, that is what a delusion is. What do you think about those three? They mix together really well in this film, don't they?

Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, I don't think I've ever heard the three terms put side by side and in some ways, you know, actually picturing the Venn diagram of where they can be misinterpreted and and intersecting. I think delusion just as a overarching theme is not only really relevant in video drone, but still relevant today. And I think that's one of the ways that video drome still connects.

so poignantly to everything that we're dealing with now, especially when you think about delusion and how it talks about media literacy and how almost like social media, just like you said, parasocial relationships. That's like Yes, those existed prior to social media, but I think social media and the accessibility of the internet has only kind of in some ways encouraged and enabled delusional thinking, especially in s situations of social isolation. And...

Connecting the next topic to our previous film, we have strangulation. So strangulation or the process of getting strangled is compression of the neck that leads to increase and increasingly hypoxic state of the brain, which can eventually lead to unconsciousness or death. So just like how we talked about with asphyxiation, asphyxiation is when something affects your breathing that can lead to it. Strangulation isn't a type is a type of asphyxiation.

Not all asphyxiations are strangulations, but all strangulations are strangers. Clear as mud, right? It's like your your rectangle square thing that you used for the last diagnosis. So no, uh this one comes up in a lot of horror films, which is why I tried to push it off until I absolutely could, but it comes up enough essentially. And just like with a lot of asphyxiation, it's pretty accurate, which is it takes anywhere between a few seconds up to less than some time of a minute.

uh in order to have someone lose enough oxygen before they pass. And so when you think about the effects that uh someone losing breath from getting strangulated, having their mind altered because of a mass effect, having their brain actually make them think of something else. All these forces came together to hit our main character and all the other related characters in Video Drome to lead to that lovely questionable ending about the new flow.

And then finally, we are going to pair this with a different type of Canadian brand. This is an individual parformer. I don't know his first name, but his last name is Melig. We're going to talk about Melig parfums, birch tar and Russian leather. Uh this one's an old school throwback to like 19, gosh, I want to say like 1950s, 1960s shipra fragrances. Um it has notes of sensual new flesh. Melted television. radiant musk and electrical smoke. Does that tempt you? No, I

I'm really bothered by the way that flesh is described in this. I'm very bothered by it. I'm bothered by it a lot. But I will say the bottle's kinda cool as hell. Kinda hardcore. It's a square bottle and it has like twine wrapped around like a wax seal. It's I think I would be tempted by the bottle, but hearing flesh scares me a little bit. Some of these I wanna like I just want to smell it just once, but then I'm like afraid.

And that's and that's why I tell everyone always sample before you buy something. The nice thing about these two fragrances, um, some I've only sampled occasionally. I actually own full. Of both Zoologist Moth and Melek Parfums, Birch Tar and Russian Leather. So I personally love these a lot and thought they fit in with the films really well. Uh just to give hints to the audience after you guys listen to that, a lot of the ways I describe certain things.

If we talk about melted television screen, that's kind of like a more plasticky note versus sensual new flesh, that's kind of like a civid slash musk note. So I'm trying to be a little bit more creative than the typical people just saying like, oh yeah, this has bergamot.

has vetiver, this has rose. So please, if you can think of sensual fret flesh, melted television screens, radiant musk and electrical smoke all coming together to make a beautiful yet confusing mess similar to video drone, consider that cologne. We're not normie perfume reviewers. We're cool perfume reviewers. You But don't worry, I have some perfumes coming up that actually will be very normy, so I can mix them together.

Let's get on to the last film, which was our little surprise edition. It is Slashback. Now, I was actually really happy with this one because I got to get a little creative with this. So the general theme of Slashback is abduction of love. The first topic is one that I've mentioned before on the show and I always love bringing it up, which is fascia or the fascial suit.

The fascia is a generic term for macroscopic membranous body structures. Fascia can be classified as superficial, visceral, or deep, and further designated according to their anatomical location. So that is a very generic description because the fascia is kind of like an interwoven web of what I call bodily velcro. It keeps your skin attached to your fat, attached to your muscles, and it all just holds it together.

So what the hell does a fascial suit have to do with it? You can actually dissect the fascia out of a human body and put it out and it's a suit that you can like. another person could wear. And so it reminded me of like how the aliens were abducting all the people and wearing their bodies like suits.

I don't know what's bothering me more, the way you used Velcro in that or the fact that I can hear you smiling talking about that. Ugh. Um this had okay, I we have to get one gross out per per segment. I think this is the one. This one This is a little much for me. Little fucking creeped out, beyond. And listen, listen, you and that's the one thing that I gave Slash back because overall, like it had its own faults, but I thought the monsters looked pretty horrifying.

Like someone just wore your relatives' face. Yeah. Give me a hug and you're like oh Yeah, I thought the monsters were creepy as fuck. And especially when you describe the suit that way, I think that really adds to it. Uh I thought the movement was creepy. Uh And then as a correction for the folks, technically they're not wearing the full fascia. They're wearing the full body, but in in the same way.

The next topic I was actually so happy to talk about because I had I can get creative with this one is being a stanguivore. And then relating that to what are known as the hemoglobinopathies, which are the diseases of hemoglobin. So a hemoglobinopathy is a medical term for a group of inherited blood disorders involving hemoglobin, which is the major protein of red blood cells. So lonely, do you know what chemical is contained within hemoglobin to hold our oxygen? No, no I don't. Iron.

Oh well yeah, I knew that. But like when you s when you say it like that, I knew we had iron in our blood, but and then you know, you can be low iron and you gotta take iron pills and you have to eat red meat. I know these things, just not when you ask me like that. And that is the most basic version of what's known as iron deficiency anemia.

There are a c subclass of medications known as the hemoglobinopathies where people can be born with abnormal proteins of their hemoglobin that then make it difficult for them to get enough oxygen maintained in their body.

So there's uh there's a rare subset of them found in East Asian populations known as the thalassemias that affect the proteins. And you could extract there's a whole bunch of other ones that can relate to enzymes affecting the hemoglobin. The reason why I wanted to bring this one up is because that is modern age scientific uh excuse that people use for why some creatures such as vampires have to drink blood is because

They may have a hemoglobin disorder and physically need to get good hemoglobin from another human being or another thing in order to keep themselves alive, just like these creatures. That's why they're sanguivores. So valid vampirism diagnosis. I like that. I like that a lot.

So in these case, these aliens could just be born with a type of um bodily system, red blood cells, you name it, that can't hold oxygen well. And so their b their uh bodies evolved in order to be purely uh carnivorous to take the flesh from flesh and blood from someone else and that way they can stay alive. Maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's hemoglobinopathy. We'll never know. Haha

Take a shot every time Kanan has to correct me on this segment. I'm doing my best. I think I'm getting better. By the end of the season, not only am I gonna be fluent in another language, but I'm I can be a a medical assistant. That's my goal. Dobre došlo. for the fragrance I have paired for this, again, going back to Zoologist, this one is very cute because this one is not based off uh those creepy anatomy t discussions we talked about.

I tried to picture what it would be like in the northernmost part of Canada where a lot of the First Nations people live. And so in their case it was a coastal city. It was a little bit colder. There was a lot of greenery. Uh, I thought of Zoology's Penguin, which if you look at the image, it is a very proud penguin captain. He ha it looks like he would have his own boat. He has one of those um I was sure what are they called, like the pipes that you smoke tobacco with that's made out of wood.

Um it is a very fresh fragrance and a very cold fragrance, so I think it fits a lot of the background of where the film is set in. It has notes of frigid fog, fresh sea breeze, rolling green hills, and a pristine ship. What do you think of this? I love this. Love, love, love. One of my favorite animals are penguins. So seeing this little gentleman with his little hat and his little sweater, big fan. You really won me over with this episode's fragrances.

Same bottle as our other zoologist bottle. And this one is obviously recommended for winter. I'm actually very interested in this. This is probably something I would wear. I'm more of a vanilla coffee base note person, but this sounds really fun and really nice. Completely unrelated, Loni, but have you ever tried YSL's black opium? I have the dupe in my drawer. I wear it every day.

It is one of my wife's favorite too. So when you told me uh vanilla and coffee, that's the number one that comes to me. So ladies out there, please try uh black opium if you're fans of vanilla and coffee. It's phenomenal. My wife smells great with it. But that is all we have today, Lonely. Do you have any last questions or fun remarks about the wonderful medical anatomy or the alluring aromas that we've discussed?

No, I legitimately look forward to recording this segment with you because I never know what to expect. So I had a lot of fun. And I think I learned something. And I think Billy D is very jealous that he's not on this segment because he is obsessed with hearing all of your terms and all this stuff. So you might have to invite Billy back for an episode. Oh gladly. That's why in our show notes um I always leave a little and section for

my insert, fun, fun debilitating thing about lonely, adjective lonely, and whoever else wants to come. So I think it would be great to get some of our other hosts because I feel like they'd get a kick out of it. And they'd respect the fascist more than you would. Of course, of course they would. Especially Billy Dean. Back into my apothecary to work on some more dissections and pull out a couple more fence in order to soothe. Stay well, stay creepy.

Okay. So now I think it is time to go into best and worst. from this subgenre. So let's talk about some of the best and worst of Canadian horror. So I'm gonna put you right on the spot, Christian. What are your worst Canadian horror films? And you could be one, you can name a couple, you don't have to justify yourself. Well do whatever you want to do. Okay, I'll name uh two. Um

The th Things, which has got a cult following, but uh for all like for all the wrong reasons, it's I still challenge anybody to watch it from nineteen eighty nine. Um it's it's pretty freaking terrible. And yeah, it could be viewed as a party movie.

But even a four minute chunk that you can watch on YouTube now and I and I've seen the whole movie, if you can make it through that four minutes and think, yeah, this would be fun, or I can have a bunch of guys over or girls over party it up and watch it. then God bless you. But I it's terrible. It's a terrible film. Um just amateursh in in every aspect. And then um

little I I hate to admit it because this director has made some great movies. One of them is one of my favorite Canadian horror films, uh or in my top. And it's also at my bottom. And it's Hellions from 2015 by Bruce McDonald. Mm-hmm. And Hellions, when I saw it, I was shocked at how bad. this movie was, at least for me. Again, it's all subjective as we know, but I just I was I guess expecting a lot more considering um all this his filmography, but s you know, specifically Pontypool.

I love Hellions. It's a b it's a bad movie, but I love Hellions and it's got two Degrassi Grads on it, Christian. I'm sorry, but I guess that's it. You guys in Degrassi. It's got two. I literally watched it because I was like, oh my God. It's Katie from Degrassi and Drew. And they date in the show too, and then they date in the movie. And Drew is the reason why she has the baby and Satan comes. It's great. Everybody watch Aliens. Oh my god.

Okay, okay. Um so I I looked through my letterbox and I came up with this one that I was confounded by because it came out in 2020 and I believe it was released on Shutter and people were loving this. It's uh for the sake of vicious. And I found almost no redeeming qualities in it whatsoever. I give it one and a half star. Like it's something about a an overworked nurse returns home and finds the maniac hiding out.

In her house, and there's like all this like fighting and everything. But it was one of these movies where they just kept like having close-ups on people's faces, like reacting to things as if it was like super dramatic and it was horrible. There was like a shootout in the kitchen and the kitchen is like five feet by five feet and they were like missing each other with the it's garbage. I hate it. It anyone seen this movie? No, but I wanted out. Yeah. Yeah. Ha ha ha.

What does it say about me? I want to check it out now.'Cause of that shootout at five. I hate it. It's ridiculous. Like someone has like a hand cannon and I'm like they're like have it in front of them and I'm like, how did you miss that person? Like you you could touch the wall from where you are. Uh what about you, uh Kanan? I have only seen two of the Amneyville Horror f uh sorry, three. So I saw the original, the Ryan Reynolds one, and then Amineyville Curse, which I saw.

And that was the first time with horror films because I then realized The plot is so thread and so thin and bare. Nothing is going honestly, I would rather watch the Amneyville. All right, Mike, you're up. Uh honestly I kind of looked back through my list and I think almost every Canadian horror movie I've seen is at least decent. But I will say of the quote unquote classic ones that I've seen, I think the movie Curtains is the weakest.

If you've never seen it, it's about a director who brings several young women to a secluded house in the Canadian winter to audition them for a part in his movie and then people start getting killed. Um it does have a great mask and an iconic poster and one very memorable ice skating scene. But I don't remember liking very much else about it. So I put that here. Also, I've never seen slaughter vomit dolls, but I'm certain I would hate that too. Ooh. Those are my worst.

Curtains is a good callback, Mike, because the one of the characters in Curtains is the first girl that's killed in Black Christmas. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And I like curtains, but it it is a mess. Uh and yeah. So good call. But I I own it. Yeah. We don't talk about Lusser Valentine on the show. All right. I think I'm last. Um, and I went last on purpose because I'm gonna just say it. We don't have to address it. We're just gonna say it.

My worst is shivers, 1975. The residents of a suburban high-rise apartment building are infected by parasites that turn them into mindless nymphomaniac fiends. I think there are a lot of um really gratuitous scenes of sexual violence in this that don't add to the plot. And I feel similarly about shivers as I do about the sadness in that I don't feel

I don't feel like you gain enough from what the the messaging and the theme of the movie is trying to tell you to go th to sit through as much violence as this does. We do a full review of Shivers um on our infection and pandemics episode. If you want to go back in time and listen to Susie and I talk to Dr. Sarah Waters about that, but I don't like shivers. Sorry, guys. Ah, what are you gonna do? I know. We win some, we lose some. Ha ha ha.

Let's go into bests from here. So Christian, we'll go back to you. What are some bests that you have? Well we we talked about two of'em today. Uh I mean, when we put this to a poll, I'm like you if you're gonna talk about Canadian horror, I I at least Black do Black Christmas definitely has to be on it and

Obviously, some representation of Cronenberg uh and video drum was that. So those those are there from a slasher standpoint. Lonely, I know you said you're not a fan of slashers, but Uh by Bloody Valentine is a standout uh slasher Canadian Canadian Ponty Pool by Bruce McDonald who did Hellions as we just

spoke about. And then some like some offshoots. I really love random acts of violence. I seem to be the only one that loves it. It came out a few years ago. Uh it's maybe a little bit more style over substance. But you know, I'm a sucker for that sometimes too. But I thought from an acting standpoint, from from uh a gore standpoint, you know, it it It's a it's successful and and again I recommend it to people. They typically come back and tell me that they didn't enjoy it. So

And you know, proceed with caution, but it I I really like that one. And I'm gonna just put a spotlight. Oh, there's a lot of other ones. I don't want to take too much more time'cause there's co productions and everything else that we can get into. But Fifty one fifty Elms Way, a French Canadian film that uh I recommend if you wanna check out something unique, check that out. Um uh you could probably see the well definitely see the trailer on um

on YouTube. Make sure it's 5150 Elms Way and it's a French Canadian production because I remember recommending this on Exploding Heads and Dave watched another movie with a very similar title. about ghosts. So just make sure it's fifty-one fifty Elms Way. All right, thank you. I'm gonna go to Mike next because I'm worried that our bests are gonna be the same. So Mike, you can go.

Actually my first best is the same with Christian, so I've I've already had it. I had my Bloody Valentine was the first one I mentioned. That's my favorite non franchise slasher from the eighties and it feels particularly Canadian, I think.

Um it's the epitome of everything I love about 80 slashers and that's not even a favorite subgenre of mine. So I'd throw that. Uh to throw in something different, I also mentioned The Changeling from nineteen eighty, uh with George C. Scott. I think it's one of the most hugely influential films. on the tropes that we see in all the haunted house movies that came after, and that is one of my favorite sub-genres. Uh so I'd throw that one out there as well. What you got, Billy D?

I'm going to get off mute and uh I'm gonna start with uh Slither from two thousand and six. And I love it. It's got a great cast. It's got aliens. It's got body horror. It's got zombies. Uh Nathan Phillian is Bill Party. Um I'm actually kind of curious, lonely, have you seen Slither? No, but it has been recommended to me.

Oh you I think you I think you'll like it. I think that's another sci-fi you should check out. Uh but yeah, there's that. And then this one, um, this one actually, I remember watching this and this one really only works if you know nothing about it. And I remember putting it on and it really fucked with me because me and my wife go camping a lot and this is backcountry from twenty fourteen.

The last the last like thirty minutes of this film, like, I was like on edge and and and felt really like fucked up and I I haven't felt like that in a while. So I would recommend that. What about uh who who are we going to next? We have Kanan. I'm like. Yep, can I do that? For me, uh I'm a big uh zombie horror fan and so I when I discovered blood quantum. Uh I know you guys already talked about in a previous episode, so I won't go too much into it, but that was my first exposure.

culture and when they manage to fit it in into a cohesive narrative, into a zombie plot. was just fantastic. Yeah, we covered Blood Quantum on the Hannah's episode, I think. I can't even remember. But I have I have bests too. And I I'm so surprised, Mike, you didn't say maybe because we always say the same films. I'll save those for the end. But I have to highlight Um, one of my favorite films of all time, American Mary, twenty twelve. So

One of my f it's in my top ten. One of my top ten horror films. The Allure of Easy Money sends Mary Mason, a medical student, into the world of underground surgeries, which ends up leaving more marks on her. than her so-called freakish clients. This has Catherine Isabel in it. It is a wonderful, good-for-her horror film. So much blood. Love it so much.

Also Cube 1997, a group of strangers awaken to find themselves placed in a giant cube. This is one of my husband's favorite horror films. He loves this one. And Cube Zero and all of the cubes that come after it. Also, have to highlight a really terrible but funny B movie, Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter from 2001, Jesus Returns to Earth.

to judge humanity, but first he must team up with a Mexican fighter to combat vampires who walk during the day. This is funny as hell. It is worth the four dollars you have to pay to rent it. It is this a great time. And two of mine and Mike's favorite horror films are from Canada, Silent Hill, two thousand six, and Changer Snaps, two thousand. I didn't know if you were gonna say those.

I did think about Silent Hill actually, but I figured I'd mentioned it before, so I'd go with something different. Good call. And I somehow forgot about ginger snaps being Canadian. I don't know how. It's very Canadian. But yeah, good call. I love I love every movie that's been mentioned. I didn't see Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter though. Uh so that one's on the on the list now as well.

Uh I do have to show we have to just show some Astro uh like uh six, which is um Astro on six, sorry, which is uh the editor if you like uh like um Jalo esque. It's a little silly. But i it it it sort of complements a jalo style quite well. And if you like found footage, afflicted and grave encounters are worth checking out. Yeah, I I will second you on the editor, man. I really enjoyed that. And uh those guys also did Psycho Gourmet. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, and lonely, American Mary. I love it. Ginger Snaps, one of my favorites. American Mary for a while for me was like a weird comfort movie. I kept throwing it on. I don't know why. I think I I really like Katherine Spell, but um yeah, it's great. Okay, Billy, y it's your time to shine. You've already been shining, you're a superstar tonight. All right.

Okay. So, named after founding host Suzy, aka Projectile Varmit, this segment highlights lesser-known films from this topic that we recommend you check out. If something has 5,000 or underreviews on IMDB, we call it a deep cut. If something has between 6 and 10,000 reviews on IMDB, we call it a surface wound. Here is our lineup for tonight's topic, all of which are available on Tubi.

Starting off with a deep cut that has just over 1,000 reviews and currently holds a five point three on IMDB is Capture Kill Release from 2016. A couple plots to murder a random stranger just for the thrill of it, just for the hell of it, just for the yell they'll get and m just for the smell of it.

But things turn ugly when one of them decides not to go through with it. This is just a low budget found footage film, and although you can see where it's gonna go, the performances by Jennifer Fraser is sexy, fun, and dominant. Just how I like my coffee Shoopa Doop. I give it a six point five out of ten. with just over four thousand four hundred reviews currently sitting at a six point five on IMDB is the King Tide from twenty twenty-three.

After the mayor of an idyllic island village discovers a child with mysterious powers a wash on their shoulders. The once peaceful community devolves into civil war. Yeah. Torn over the belief that the child is their next savior. This one is more of a thriller, but leans hard into the supernatural and folklore vibe. as it deals with the corruption of man and his voracious appetite for greed and decadent consumption. I really enjoyed this one and gave it a eight point five out of ten.

Now moving on to surface wounds in a film that made my top 20 of 2024, with just under 6,000 reviews currently sitting at a 5.8 on IMDB is Die Alone. It's the story of a young man who has amnesia and bands together with a rugged survivalist in a zombie like outbreak to find his girlfriend. This film sets up an interesting take on the fall of humanity and then goes way beyond what you would expect from your average zombie film.

It does have a bit of a confusing narrative, but that's kind of the point because it all comes together in the end. It's got some great practical effects and creature designs with a good amount of blood and carnage. It also stars the wonderful Carrie on Ann Moss. And the current spokesman for testosterone replacement therapy, Frank Grillo. I give it an eight out of ten.

with just under 6,400 reviews currently sitting at a 5.6 on IMDB, a film that Kanan brought up and I just had to talk about it again. And that's Blood Quantum from 2019. The dead are coming back to life outside the isolated Mi'kmaq Reserve of Red Crow, except for its indigenous ha inhabitants who are strangely immune to the zombie plague. Heavy on the social commentary and the blood and gore, you can't go wrong with this one.

And if you've ever watched a zombie movies and wondered why you never see someone get their dick bitten off, then check this one out. It's an eight out of ten for me. And finally. Tubi original that was kind of the surprise low-key hit in 2024 with just under 8,000 reviews, currently sitting at a 6.2 on IMDb is low life. Where the survival instincts of a road tripping family are put to the test when they have no other choice but to stay the night at a remote and freaky homestead.

This low budget film doesn't take itself too seriously and although it's devoid of any real scares, it does deliver the blood, gore, and splatter when it matters. A fun little romp, I give it a seven out of ten. I have to back King Tide 100%. That was in my top first watches of the last year. Really, really good folk order. And Kanan, take us out with closing thoughts.

You got it. So folks, is there an aspect of or a location in one of Canada's provinces that you wish was more explored in horror? Lonely, I will let you take the first ones. Yeah, so just echo exactly what I just said about King Tide. I would love to see more Folkor. Yes, I'd love to see more Folkor, specifically thinking about Persentford Island and Nova Scotia. I think the King Tide is a wonderful encapitation of more horror that I want to see just in general.

Everybody knows I'm a full core kind of what do they call that? Apologist. I'm a folcore apologist. So I just want more of it. And I think there's so much more to tell. So that's my answer here. Mike, what about you? At least from the movies I've seen, as a Francophile, I consider myself a bit of a Francophile. I would like to see more French Canadian horror, or specifically ones that set in Montreal.

Specifically, I was thinking of this movie. There's a non horror movie called The Score that came out in the nineties with De Niro, Edward Norton, and Marlon Brando. We're all in it. It was a big deal. movie's pretty good, but it's set in the old district of Montreal and that was a really cool setting and it feels very ripe for horror. Uh I'm a supernatural guy, so maybe a supernatural type horror there. But yeah, I I I would like to see more uh set there myself. What do you think, uh

I've got two spots. Uh the beautiful and bleak vastness of the prairies of Saskatchewan would be great. Uh and I'd like to see them used for some some pre and post civilization horror. And the juxtaposition between the white sand beaches and potato farms of Prince Edward Island, like some type of children of the spud cottage core horror thing. That's what I'm feeling. And uh what about you, Kanan? And I am checking to make sure I pick the right Yes, okay. Uh I I was really I I really

the one that focused uh potentially the first Mormon horror that's ever come out. Um I'm interested in also them exploring. And I think another more Canadian variant of heretic would be wonderful. Otherwise, Christian, can you take us away? Yeah, well I'll just add every all good points. Uh B C for the the lush uh wilderness aspect and the northwest territories just to double down on some snow contained horror.

We need more out there. But you'll be shocked at how much is just filmed right around the corner from where I live. All different types of you want folklore the witch was filmed about an hour, an hour and a half away. Becky was filmed twenty minutes up the street. Um Hannibal, the TV show, uh the town over. It it

so ripe a and they they mimic the areas so well that you would never even know that they weren't in different territories or different regions. So it's it's you know, maybe Ontario where I live has everything you guys need. I think Canada has more things that we need than we have time to discuss right now. Also mental stability to discuss right now. Yes. Yeah. This is our subject. This is our subject. We're we're using this this is our escapism time, Christian. We can't Help, help, help.

Help. Blink twice if if you need a if you have room in your house. Yeah. But thank you. Dear internet, it is time for us to close out tonight. Christian, thank you so much for joining us tonight. Where can the listeners find more of your work? Uh on I I guess on pod like any podcast site whatsoever. T GI F thirteen is still there. Thank God it's Friday thirteenth. Uh a pretty bad movie gab, exploding heads, all the older episodes up to about uh I think episode

Two forty-nine uh two two hundred or something like that. And then the rest of them are on Patreon. Um on uh I'm on Facebook, I'm sort of on Instagram, but I I don't really mess with it much. Uh just when my family sends me stuff. So I'm on Facebook there as well, if anybody wants to connect. Further. Christians podcasts. They did a phenomenal guy Top one hundred. Highly recommend it. Yeah, I do too. Thank you. Very good.

We wanna be like Christian when we grow up, when our podcast has two hundred episodes. Well, Yeah. I I watch, I don't I don't know. Maybe you know, y you might not want to. Yeah, my husband will not want to edit eight hours worth of uh audio, but maybe maybe someday. Maybe someday. If you want to continue the conversation with us, your nobody's crew, here is where you can find us.

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