Episode 62: Remake Reframe - The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) & (2003)

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I'm the ghost with the blog, Lonely, and I'm joined by my co-host and partner in crime. I am Susie, a.k.a. ProjectileVarmint. We're celebrating today, Susie, because it is the end of Summerween. Have you ever heard this term? You know, I feel so old right now because I have no idea what you're talking about. So summer weave is the celebration of Halloween early or the idea of celebrating Halloween twice a year because you love summer.

and halloween so much so you celebrate it twice so this is also sometimes called slasher summer it's with the young people consider to be so it's like spooky summer spooky summer themed so we're doing a spooky summer episode i know it's the end of summer now we're at the end of august and i'm sure you're thinking about something a little bit scarier than summer ween

Right. I'm going back to school in like a week. So right now I'm like on the Sunday night of summer. It's terrible. But back to the. the summer ween thing is that just because like all the craft stores have all their halloween stuff out now and like the home goods put their pumpkins out and somebody's like yeah we need to make this a thing like all you young people's make every everything's a thing

Everything is a thing. And I think that's so true, though, because so it's actually when you spot Halloween decorations early. Do you know what it's called? There's a word for it. Oh, my God. What is it? Because we make everything a thing. It's called Code Orange, which is like highly insensitive because isn't Code Orange like a thing from the war times about...

Stop laughing about the war. Yes, yes, Agent Orange, yes. So maybe Code Orange isn't that offensive, but Code Orange is when you see things like HomeGoods and Michaels and all that fun stuff. You post it on the internet and you're like, Code Orange.

at michael's and then we neglect to realize that some people we don't all go to the same michael's so just because stuff is out in one state doesn't mean it's out in another so it's a very flawed logic but we're here and we're celebrating the end of summer ween

And finally, the end of many, many, many heat waves that we have survived with a pretty, pretty hot film. Hot as in temperature only. Because tonight we are back with Remake Reframe. And if you're new to this series, this is our series in which we compare recent remakes to either their near or distant predecessors. But I guess tonight it's not a recent remake. It's just a remake.

And we think about how the original holds up over time, compare the two films, then ultimately decide which one is the better version. And haunted dolls aside, the more timely topic is that we are recording in the depths of summer.

In a small break between yet another heat wave, it has been devastatingly hot up here in New England. And I don't know about you, Susie, but there is one horror film that I think captures the heat and debauchery of summer to a T. And tonight, for our Summerween edition of Remake Reframe, we'll be discussing the 1974 and 2003 version of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Yeah, you can just when you see that movie, you can feel the heat emanating off of it. So the Texas Chainsaw Massacre is considered to be one of the greatest but also most controversial horror films of all time. Entertainment Weekly goes as far to say that the Texas Chainsaw Massacre laid the foundation for Halloween, Evil Dead, and Blair Witch, and I'm not going to argue that.

The Texas Chainsaw Massacre has been cited as inspiration for The Hills Have Eyes, Alien, House of a Thousand Corpses, and The Devil's Rejects. In 1990, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre was inducted into the Horror Hall of Fame, hosted by Robert England of Nightmare on Elm Street, and is part of the permanent collection of the MoMA.

That's the Museum of Modern Art in New York. So director Toby Hooper cites his time as a documentary director and his research on serial killers Ed Gein and Elmer Wayne Henley as the origins for this whole story in this violent film. So in production, the film went by several different names, including Saturn in Retrograde, Head Cheese.

stalking Leatherface, and just Leatherface. So Leatherface has become one of the most iconic horror monsters in film history, and many say this character was the origin of both Michael Myers and Jason Voorhees. What do you think about that, Lonely? I mean, I think, I mean, it's, you know, what came first, the chicken over the egg. And I think the egg was Leatherface in the situation. The film is the oldest. And when we think about like that hulking, large character stereotype.

that we see in Michael Myers and in Jason, and even in some of the newer slashers that have come out. Leatherface did it first. I think he has a lot more character, which we will get into, but he's definitely, in my opinion, the origin. Would you agree? Oh, absolutely. Like what's behind the mask? Right. It started the first, it's one of the, I don't want to say it's the first that ever did it, but it's definitely one of the most prominent kind of takes on.

this this killer with a mask and what does it mean and how does the mask relate to the story

But on the topic of summer, both versions of Texas Chainsaw are set in the middle of summer. And the production of the original film is really some of the fun. Those are the fun facts that make this a great film to talk about for the season. filming for the original was on location at a 1900s farmhouse in Round Rock, Texas in the middle of July. So think of Texas. In July, super, super freaking hot and humid. The crew filmed seven days a week, up to 16 hours a day.

It's stated the house was incredibly hot and the filming has been said to be extremely hard on the cast and crew. Daily temperatures in the house were between 95 to 100 degrees and the hottest temperature recorded during the week. of filming was 110 degrees. And that was in the 70s. So it's been a hot summer. I don't think we've gotten up to 110 degrees. And they're not taking AC breaks either. There was no AC breaks going on there.

No, no, it was not. So the house had very little ventilation and on set in the farmhouse, the crew actually used real animal bones and blood from a local slaughterhouse. And animal corpses that they found in various stages of decomposition already on the side of the road. So all of the sets in the house, the vast majority of the bones and stuff that you see were real bones. So all of this was in the house.

month in the middle of July with no air conditioning and very little ventilation. Imagine that smell. Yeah. And then the long, can you imagine like, I'm surprised someone didn't go into like active psychosis because the house smells like a slaughterhouse. You've been covered in real blood.

It's 12 hours in the freaking direct sunlight and you're filming yourself screaming and being chased like I can only imagine. And Gunnar Henson, who played Leatherface, was quoted saying that they wouldn't wash his costume for the entire... production because they were afraid that the color would drain out and they didn't want to change costumes so he wore the same outfit and mask for 16 hours a day seven days a week for a month

Do you remember when we were wearing just like regular face masks during COVID? I couldn't even wear that thing for like two hours without having to like get a new clean one. Oh my gosh. Yeah. One other thing that I thought was really interesting was that.

They actually used real chainsaws and hammers and tools for the filming. So everything that the actors are holding are real power tools. And there were actually several close calls in the filming. So the director shared that all of the cast members obtained.

some level of injury by the end of the entire production and they were mad at him for several years following you know when you go to a haunted house and you're like i really hope they remember to take the blade out of that chainsaw yeah the chain out of the chainsaw yeah yeah and i also you know we'll get into it when we talk about the original film but so much of texas chainsaw has also influenced like haunted house culture

and haunted house attractions. Because I don't know about you, but all haunted houses that I've gone to, I think ever in my life, always featured at least one portion of this, you know, stereotype. traditional backwoods family trying to kill us i don't know about you but i'm thinking of like compounds and um I always think please let there be no Blade in there

I know. Well, so in talking about the chainsaw, so there's a scene where Leatherface gets very close to, I think it might be the scene where he actually does chop off someone's leg. And it was actually... Like it got very, very close. I think they stated it was three inches from his actual leg. These people must be like seeking out trauma therapy right now.

So the last fact I have about the filming is that the farmhouse that they filmed in has actually been moved. So they kind of picked up the house and moved it to a different part of Texas. It's now in Kingsland, Texas, and it is a restaurant. So you can still visit it.

station is located in the exact same place that it was for filming and it is now a horror attraction barbecue restaurant and a motel so listeners if you've ever been to any of the attractions from the original tcm let us know but susie what

I've never actually talked to you about Texas Chainsaw. So what are your thoughts on the original film and how does it rank? When you think about your favorite horror films of all time, does this film make the ranking at all?

I'm not going to get into why because we'll talk about that in a minute, but this never makes any of my lists. Me either. And I never really thought about it until... i don't know when i think about the slashers i mean as it's no secret that you and i are not huge fans of slashers to begin with but whenever i think about slashers i never remember texas chainsaw i can hear all of the people like like

cursing us in our voicemail box yeah like oh these women they don't appreciate the real the real quality of horror films i just never remember that Texas Chainsaw is around. And I think maybe because I grew up in the generation of the remakes and that may have influenced my opinion on the original, but I did have... I would say before we get into it, a pleasant experience on the rewatch. So let's get into it for tonight, shall we?

Yeah, for sure. So tonight, just to remind you to guide our conversation, we're going to discuss our general thoughts on each film, then go into some criteria for how the original and the remake stack up against each other. So for the original, our criteria to consider...

is going to be do we think this is a film that even needed to be remade why or why not how has it aged and has it withstood the test of time we'll also be getting into what is the one thing from the original that we would like to keep

and maybe one thing we would like to change so for the remake our criteria is a little different and we're going to talk about how true the remake was to the original for the better or worse and we'll talk about items in the film that were kept the same or changed that stood out for the better or worse? And was it a successful remake?

Finally, we'll decide which of the two we think is the better film. And I can't wait to get into this because you're right, we have never talked about this before. So here's our chance. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre from 1974 is a story about... five friends that head out to rural Texas to visit the grave of a grandfather. On the way, they stumble across what appears to be a deserted house only to discover something sinister within.

So let's talk about our opening thoughts. First, I would love to know your experience with this original film when you first view it and how your rewatch was just your like overarching thought. I can't tell you when the first time I actually saw Texas Chainsaw was. I'm sure it was when I was a teenager.

The fact that I don't remember watching it the first time, like how long ago that was, kind of speaks to, like I said, like my relationship with the film and that it doesn't usually come to mind for me as one of my, you know, top films of all time, especially.

in the whole overarching genre but i would say i was very impressed on the rewatch and i don't know if it's because i i mean i haven't watched this in years and years and years i definitely have not watched this in maybe 10 years maybe because i'm a little older now i'm kind of soon at this point who fucking knows but i really appreciated how aesthetically strong this film is for 1974 it is really artsy dare i say in some of the camera work the

color, and the way the sets are constructed for 1974, some of this is really, really impressive. And I think despite how anyone might feel about Texas Chainsaw, as like a critical piece it's so hard to neglect the impact that it had on the genre just re-watching this you can see all the impressive like iconic shots that have like made the genre in the last three decades like the shots of the you know walking towards the house and the shots of sally running through the woods there's just so many

shots that have built what horror has become it's hard to neglect that in terms of the film i enjoyed re-watching it but it's not without its you know caveats but what about you when was the first time you watched this

So as you know and listeners know, I grew up watching horror. My dad, I don't even know if he was a horror fan, but he was always watching horror. So I saw this movie very young. And I think this has probably one of the most... impressive openings to any horror movie I've seen not iconic just impressive because well it might be tied with the evil dead because I also love that opening but that first sequence where you get like just like a little

snap of what's going on there's like this commentary and they're telling you like you know you're going to hear the story of this person leatherface and then they have this string sound that's like And then you get these flashes of almost these Polaroid looking film shots of dead body parts. And when I was younger, I remember trying to like look.

and stare and like see what those shots were because they're really quick and back in the 80s you couldn't pause and see what things were so whenever this was on real time I always tried to catch the beginning because I thought that was the scariest part of the movie. On the rewatch, I was actually similar with you, very impressed with the cinematography of the film.

the way that they shot the house in like seclusion and the big tall grass and just the beating down sun you could feel like hot and heat and summer and just like sweaty watching this film the saturated colors were gorgeous and i think that this holds up and the rewatch was probably better for me than my original watching of this let's get into

that opening scene a little bit because we have the text on the screen, sort of the police procedural-esque. The fun fact I found out about the guy who narrates the opening.

of the film he also narrates the remake but on the first time he recorded it for the original he was not compensated with money he was compensated with marijuana he didn't get paid for his yeah and i think that's you know there's no other weed references at the film other than that but we start off we're in the van it's already hot as fuck everybody is sweating in the van and it's very you know, Woodstock-esque VW van, I think. Someone's going to call me and be like, that's not a VW van, Lonely.

But we're in the van and we're talking about astrology. That's our first reference. There's a lot of witchcraft references in this film. We have astrology. There's a lot of work with bones. And one of the characters... who i don't even remember her name she is talking about the astrology book she's reading it and she mentions that saturn is in retrograde and that's very bad luck and i think

That the title Saturn in Retrograde is also a really good title for the film. I mean, I don't think it would have been as iconic. It would have leaned heavily into that art house kind of vibe that we're getting in the beginning. But I think it's a cute. little nod at what's going on and then we pick up our first our first friend our first first hitchhiker and chaos begins so

Any thoughts on that first opening scene in the van? It's also when we meet the brother, Franklin. So I'd love to hear your perspective on Franklin's character in this film. I would love to talk about Franklin because Frankie is in the most vulnerable position of everybody in this group because he's like a heavyset guy.

He's in a wheelchair and you're in the middle of the backwoods, Texas. So there's rocks all over the ground. There's grass, like there's hills. So he is in like an unwinnable situation. And when we see him in the van, if you don't. know what happens in this movie and it's your first watch you're like maybe maybe he could survive but how

I do think that van situation is really important to develop those characters. I'm all about character development. And even though we don't find out too much about the people, we do find out enough so that I feel like we care about them. They could be you and me going on a road trip. And then we have that hitchhiker. And I remember one of the girls, maybe the Saturn in retrograde girl is like.

oh, he looks kind of weird. I don't know if we should pick him up. And they're all like, no, it's really hot. Let's pick him up. Let's do something good. Like your classic cautionary tale. Don't pick up the hitchhiker. But it's the same. Yeah. So it's the seventies and hitchhiking was the thing. And it was also the era of the serial killer, which is, you know, where.

the film kind of gets its origin story with Ed Gein. But I totally agree. So the moral of this story is, mind your own business. Mind your own business.

Keep driving. Don't be walking into people's houses. Because there are so many points in this story where a purr slasher, you know, planning. They get themselves into these situations that are almost entirely avoidable. Like, yeah, sure. They pick up the hitchhiker. He cuts his hand open in the van, does crazy stuff, and then they let him out. They visit the historical home.

They could have left at any point. There's no need to continue going deeper into the rural Texas bushland. They just keep going deeper into the situation.

but when the hitchhiker cuts his hand open because you just mentioned that when he smeared it on the van do you think in my mind i think he was like signaling like and like marking yeah that's what i thought too okay and then they pull up into that gas station and this is where i think the plot gets kind of artsy and it kind of like makes you think a little bit because the gas station employee is like you don't want to go to that house leave now but then he's like but we also don't have any gas

So you can't leave right now. The gas truck might come tonight or it might come tomorrow. So you're questioning in your head, like, should we trust this guy because they're trying to help them? Or is he just trying to help them to gain their trust? Is he part of the situation? What was your vibe?

with the gas station people so i think my and maybe this is because i'm building on some of the stuff that they tell us in the remake about the gas station and the the story that surrounds it but i do think there's this undertone of the people there's not a lot of people out here we're in the middle of nowhere so the people that do know what's going on out there

are well aware of leatherface and what is going on so i think they sort of they're kind of ambivalent towards it like they're like well you know you don't belong here Yeah, definitely. Like, Children of the Corn vibes, almost. Like, what are you doing here to begin with? That was the way I took it. But I agree that I think, you know, the blood is kind of like what marks it and kind of sets the dominoes in motion.

You know, by picking up the hitchhiker and kind of getting this all going. And so that's how we end up at the historical family home. So they don't have gas. They end up at the family home. And then does the car break down? Is that how they end up at Leatherface's house? No, they get to this house that belongs to Franklin and Sally. And they're like just reliving memories from their childhood. And then two of the couples go off to find the swimming hole so they can swim.

Sally's boyfriend goes off to the other house, Leatherface's house, to try and find gas. Yes, and that's when we start to actually meet Leatherface. We also have, like I said, there's not a lot out here in the...

Texas bushland but there's also there is a slaughterhouse there's definitely one of those out there and what's one of my favorite kind of little threads throughout the film is that there's this continuity of like the theming of the slaughterhouse so the hitchhiker he talks about the slaughterhouse they talk about head cheese they talk about kind of like killing animals and you see the slaughterhouse like in the background at one point

And when Leatherface does the first kill, he uses a sledgehammer. And that's actually how they talk about killing the cows in the first film, is hitting the cows with a hammer. And then they put them on a meat hook. And then a question for you. Do you think that Leatherface and his family are kind of, are they described or portrayed in like an animalistic way?

Or do you think they're just portrayed as like crazy? Like, are we supposed to forgive them at all? Low intelligence, maybe some incest going on there. Like maybe low IQs. That's the vibe I was getting.

So let's talk about Leatherface for a minute. So what I love about Leatherface is that he is so funny. Because he, like, I think he's funny. He, like, screams and stuff. And we don't get that from Jason or Michael Myers. Otherface just runs around and he's, like, screeching and wailing and, like, waving his arms around.

And he's waving the chainsaw around. And there's just like this manic, like crazy energy to him that we don't get a lot of slashers that come after him. Like Michael Myers, his whole thing is that he's silent.

He has no personality. He's like this silent, brooding shadow that is incredibly strong. It's just the same. Can you imagine being in a movie theater and... having this introduction to your villain in the horror movie because it's just like bam slow burn and then boom leatherface just comes out hacks up the boyfriend kurt

kirk and then slams the metal door and it's so quick we just get like a sneak peek of him and we don't know much about him or anything that just happens and it really leaves you as the audience wanting to know more and there wasn't a chase scene he just gets him well yeah he just gets him there is very little there is no kind of room for escape once Otherface sees him it's over and I think that

is just such a cool element of this film and like where slashers ended up, what slashers ended up becoming. Because I find out, I feel that so much of Halloween especially is like that brooding chase. He's behind the corner. Now he's not. Now he's right behind you. Now he's not. Leatherface, there's no hiding.

He's just there for all to see. And I think from the first kill, it becomes very apparent that that's the kind of film it's going to be. So we have our first casualty, which I believe the first one is the boyfriend. And then our... Our people start dying off one by one. And eventually we're left with Sally and Franklin. And Sally has this, she has to go find out what happened to her boyfriend and her friends. And she makes the decision to leave Franklin there.

I love how they get into like a brother sister, like argument and scuffle about it. And she's just like, I can't give me the flashlight. And he's like, no. And then she leaves like, fine, I don't need it. And he's like, no. you can have the flashlight and then he starts trying to wheel himself to like follow after her but again Frankie's just in this like vulnerable position um you were talking about the

the kill scenes and you mentioned like the meat hook the sledgehammer and i think this is where we really have that 70s lens on violence because we don't see the chainsaw cutting into work we don't see the meat hook going into the girl's skin we simply just see the point of view from where we know what's happening but you can't see anything like really gory or really like torture porny

And that is what's crazy because they thought one of the most like controversial parts of this film at the time was how gory and violent it was. And then by today's standards, we're like, there's no nothing.

The goriest parts of it are the sets, seeing what he's doing to the animals and the bones and the lampshade. That's the gory piece of it. But we don't see a lot of... blood splattering people getting stabbed like a lot of that doesn't happen we actually just see the faces of the actors most of the time when it's happening and that's one of my favorite things about this film are the actors and the fact that they look like real people

and in my research i saw that a lot of these actors were basically nobodies at the time they were not any form of A-list actors. And they look so real. Like there are several scenes when somebody's screaming and you can see like the fillings in their teeth. And their makeup is running from, you know, the sun and the obviously running from a killer. And it is nothing like new Hollywood.

I think that's one of the things that Texas Chainsaw is known for is that really nice grit. Like it really feels like a real story. And these feel like real people. And that is something that I think just doesn't exist in new Hollywood and new horror. Even when they're going for grit, it's never at the level of grit that Texas Chainsaw brought, in my opinion.

No, absolutely not. This film does a lot of things that we don't see in horror movies

Now, so one of the things I really love about this film is how it throws us those little breadcrumbs about Leatherface's character, but never really explains anything. Do we ever really see him sewing a face together? Or is that just... applied we never really find out why he is how he is why the family is how it is which is sometimes so much better to come up with all of that in your own mind and kind of throw your guesses here and there rather than have everything like

force-fed down your throat like this is our backstory this is why you did it this is the intent no i love this So let's talk about the last quarter of the film where we're basically left with our final girl. So we have Sally through the bulk of the last quarter of the film. And we have a couple iconic scenes here. One is her running in the woods.

I'm kind of unsure where the trees came from because we don't really see them in the aerial but the like the pan shots of this but she's running through the brush at night and I can only imagine how fucking hard that was to film.

in 1974 because they're running it's clearly night yeah there's no light i think one of the there must be minimal light on her while she's running so she probably can't fucking see and then you have the guy running behind you with an action chainsaw and she screams the entire sequence it's not like ah run run run she's screaming the entire time yeah

Right. And I think that scene is so freaking cool. And then we get into the house and we begin sort of the chase with her in the house in Leatherface. And before I let you talk about the crazy family reunion that eventually happens, I want to highlight one. Super funny scene that I think.

laid the groundwork for a lot of things in future slasher trope so there's a scene where sally is running from leatherface and we are presumed that she is trapped there's no way out so she jumps out of the window and just gets up and starts starts running from the second story window. And then you just see Leatherface very casually, might I add, just walk down the stairs and catch up to her anyway. So I just thought that was super funny. He's just nonchalantly.

you know makes his way down the stairs and still catches up with her and he's like this hulking guy which i think is so funny So up until the point where Sally is like cat and mouse being chased by Leatherface, the other characters just get picked off and they get picked off fairly quickly. There's not much of a chase scene, but we get to spend some time with Sally and we spend some time with.

with Leatherface's family in the house. So we find out that upstairs in the attic, they have like dry jerky, the grandma and the grandpa of the house and, or great grandma and great. grandpa because we still have the grandfather who looks very, very old. And I was like, is he actually alive? Is he also dehydrated?

They are trying to have him be a part of the family fun, and they want him to kill Sally. So what they do is they hold Sally in front of him, and the weird... hitchhiker brother guy ends up putting the mallet in the grandfather's hand and trying to get him to hit Sally over the head but he keeps dropping the hammer and I thought that was so schlocky.

but worked so well and of course like that's how she gets away it's so funny because we also a lot of loose ends get tied up here so there's like a police officer character who has been no help this entire film and we find out that he's in on it has been in on it the whole time and his brother uncle very unclear the relationships here but they're they're related in some way yeah and then at one point before sally is almost like killed with a hammer they give grandpa a little

taste of her of her blood and he like sucks on her finger oh i read it yep i read in the the research that they were originally going to use fake blood on the the actor's mouth so like grandpa whoever was playing grandpa but he couldn't pop the blood pack open so they actually cut the actress's finger with a razor blade

no so yeah they actually well this is what the research says so who knows maybe it's been many decades now but they said they actually cut your finger this is true it's not like where was the actors union Like, they literally cut her finger. They were drinking her blood. So fucking crazy. But she gets her great ending, one of the most iconic endings, iconic shots of horror. She is in the back of the pickup truck.

covered in blood, laughing maniacally, and it's definitely become one of the most iconic shots in horror of all time. So I think we've...

We've really beat the horse here thinking about how iconic this film was. So do you think that the film actually even needed a remake? Well, it's one of those movies just like Suspiria where we have the bare bones in the original and we don't go too much into a backstory or a plot. Things just happen and we don't know why. But there's something oddly satisfying about that.

unsettling about not knowing why the family exists, why they're doing what they're doing. So I don't think it needed to be remade. I think that what we have right here is a well-paced slasher that gives us an iconic villain and it's been replicated so many times but when you have a character like Leatherface that's what makes it amazing. What about you? Do you think this even needed to be remade?

So I don't I agree with you. I think there was there are things here that could have prompted someone to visit this and be and say, you know, I want to do something more with this. But I think this has become the blueprint. I think this story has been told many times.

Even if it wasn't a Texas chainsaw film, this became what slashers are known for, especially in more contemporary culture. I think just within, you know, it's 2025. I think we're just now getting a perspective shift on slashers where things are. to change a little bit and they're starting to play with the tropes a little bit more. So I think whether we actually wanted it to happen or not, Texas Chainsaw has been remade many times, even outside of the franchise.

I think that this film, especially looking at the, you know, the critical success in quotes of the remakes, I don't, I really don't think any of the remakes stood up to what this film originally brought to.

That brings us to whether or not the film has aged well. So we agree that the film is iconic. But when it comes to watchability and themes and conversation in the contemporary horror viewing experience, do you think that this has stood the test of time? Well, I mean, if we're looking at it...

Being made in the 70s, it is not very inclusive. They also refer to the brother as an invalid brother, which is a little harsh and derogatory. But I don't think that... i don't think that's bad i don't think they were like racist i don't think they were like anti-semitic or anything like really too bad going on here i think it does It's still watchable. I don't get mad watching it. There's nothing, like, too offensive about it. So I don't think that we're pissing anybody off with this original.

Maybe it pissed you off. What are your thoughts? No, I agree completely. I think the diversity in the casting was definitely a big thing that stood out to me. There's only one person of color in the whole film, and it's the guy who drives the truck at the end. And so he gets like two seconds of screen time and no actual dialogue. I do think, and I know we shouldn't give credit for the bare minimum, but I do think it was a very interesting choice in 1974 to include a character.

with a wheelchair you know in a slasher film i think that was really a really interesting choice and i think it worked out

In the grand scheme of the film, it added a level of characterization to it. I don't think this is that problematic in the grand scheme of things. There are definitely worse films from the 70s that have not stood the test of time. I think in terms of... some like cinematic you know prowess i think this definitely competes with a lot of art house films that we see nowadays that ability to master that grit and some of the camera angles and this and the color

really can swing up against any A24 in my opinion. So I would say yes. Did you know that Quentin Tarantino considers the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, this version, to be one of the few perfect movies ever made? He wrote about that in his book. And I think he also talked about it on the Jimmy Kimmel show. He's a crazy person, but I mean, good for him. Props to you, Quinn. So thinking about...

Before we get into the remake, what is one thing you would have changed? I do wish that they maybe sped up the intro a little bit. It was a long time to be spending with these characters with not much happening, but at the same time, I think they needed that. I didn't want the characters to be developed too much, but I did want more sneaks of Leatherface.

We didn't get to see him nearly enough in this movie, and we just see him go straight into kill mode. I wanted to see a little rev up with him. I think something I would have changed was, I think the pacing, I agree with you in some parts. I liked the beginning. I do think...

that maybe it could have been cut down a little bit i think the beginning is good for giving characterization to sort of the cast but i do think some of the pacing in the other parts is less strong like i think the visit to the the family home

is kind of unnecessary, especially because it's never addressed again. I think if we needed a reason for them to be there, I think her visiting the grave in the first... kind of 10 minutes of the film sells that purpose enough like I don't think we need to go to the family home that is one thing I would change in terms of something that I would keep the same

I would say I would love for that same cast of characters to exist in some capacity. I would love for there to be a brother-sister dynamic in the remake. I would love for there to be... I think a character in a wheelchair in the remake would have been really strong. I think that would also adhere to some of the expectations of the film. And I would love for the grit to stay in the remake, but I think we will find that it is not the case.

So I really liked the mystery of the family in Leatherface and not going into that backstory. The house was also the perfect setting and it was pretty believable. Just like you, I love the cast of characters, even though it wasn't too diverse. What I wish they had kept the most about the original Bring It Into the Remake was the simplicity of the plot.

As we'll talk about in the remake, they just go off in all different directions. Yeah, so let's get started. Let's get started on the 2003 remake. also called The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And the synopsis of this remake is, after picking up a traumatized young hitchhiker, five friends find themselves stalked and hunted by a deformed chainsaw-wielding loon.

Talk about a, what do they call a scrabble word there? Loon and his family of equally psychopathic killers. So I want to give you some background on the remake of Texas Chainsaw because. Regardless of how we feel about it, it also had a pretty big impact on the horror genre in the early 2000s.

I was surprised to see that several of the crew from the original film were involved in this remake in particular. So Toby Hooper, the original director, and the writer, Kim Henkel, both served as co-producers on this film. The original cinematographer, David...

Pearl returned for this film and the narrator as I mentioned John Larroquette also returned for the narration of the opening titles he was not paid in weed this time though as I've mentioned this was the first so this remake in 2003 was the first film to be

produced by Platinum Dunes. You've probably never heard of that before because I know I didn't. And this production company would go on to produce several remakes of other classic horror films from the 70s, including Amityville, Friday the 13th, and Nightmare on Elm Street. Yes. everyone that nightmare on Elm Street that everyone hates except for me.

Most of those remakes are regarded as critical failures, but this is also the same production company, Susie, that did The Purge, Ouija, and A Quiet Place. What? There's a lot of stuff on this resume. So they went from creating kind of universally hated remakes to some pretty strong films of the 2010s, in my opinion. So the biggest name on Platinum Dunes is Michael Bay, who is better known as an action movie director. And he's actually the fifth most commercially successful director of all time.

Did not know that. As somebody who does not care for action movies, that was not a statistic that I ever would have found if not researching for this film. Even though this remake was a critical failure, it was a huge financial success at the box office. It grossed $107 million on a $9 million budget. That's insane.

Over $100 million at the box office alone. The success of this remake influenced the wave of remakes that came in the early 2000s, including House of Wax, The Wicker Man, The Omen, Halloween, My Bloody Valentine, and Child's Play. And with the exception of those last two, My Bloody Valentine and Child's Play, this entire generation of remakes are notoriously criticized by audiences and reviewers alike for being some of the worst horror films ever made.

You forgot some of the best ones, though. This also preceded The Hills Have Eyes from 2006, The Last House on the Left from 2009, and then Funny Games. Oh, yeah, that's right. Wildly successful. Yeah, so I think this started that wave of the early 2000s remake kind of culture, which I thought was really interesting. And by watching this remake, I don't think anybody would guess in 2025 that this was the film that... spawn the...

you know the genre in this direction but we talked about the production on the original so let's talk about the production on this new one the remake was also shot in texas for 40 days and they were very purposeful this is something i found very interesting they were purposeful about not creating So the cinematographer actually specifically said, I don't want to make a gritty film. I've already done that once. And it's like, oh.

Okay. Well, whatever, whatever makes you happy, I guess. And of course, keeping in line with Summerween. The heat was a barrier in the filming of the remake as well as the original. Andrew Bernarski, who played Leatherface in the remake, struggled with the, quote, fat suit. That's a quote from them, not me. which increased his weight by a hundred pounds. So I guess the actor at the time of filming was close to 300 pounds. And with the fat suit on, he was close to over 400 pounds.

in the suit and he also had to wear a silicone mask so both the mask and the suit overheated very quickly during filming and it regularly was very hard for him to breathe so those are our again where was the actors union unsure but let's get into our opening thoughts so Susie what are your opening thoughts on our first scene here and its relationship to the original

oh the actual like opening thoughts about the opening yes what are the opening thoughts on the opening yes all right okay so in the original we have just like the written script on the In the original, we have the written script as part of the opening of the movie and then kind of like a newscaster talking about the...

bodies being robbed and in this one it's actually like a mockumentary and it's like a weird ass mockumentary so this one has actual footage we see these police officers and detectives was finding these bodies and then they introduced the movie as a story of what actually happened and i just thought that was so weird and it didn't make any sense to have this real footage juxtaposed with this obviously really made up story with all this like special effects

So the closing of our original Texas Chainsaw Massacre does leave the door open to like what happened to Leatherface. In this remake, we have... of that mockumentary kind of like book ending the movie again and the people are actually in the house like filming where Leatherface was and then Leatherface just like jumps out and the movie ends and like in both of them I know it's like a hey you know I'll be back

yeah, get ready for the sequel. But I just think this movie slaughtered the bookends of opening and closing. I agree completely. So once we get through the butchering, ooh, that's a good Texas Chainsaw pun. Awesome. Butchering. Anyway, once we've butchered the beginning here, we get back into the van. The van returns. But our storyline in the van is not as quirky as it was in the original. The movie starts off.

after we go through the narration with none other than Sweet Home Alabama. Yes. Sweet Home Alabama. yeah they're not even in Alabama it's just so like yes yeah it's supposed to be still so when I opened the film and I was watching it I was like Did they reset the time frame? Like, are we in 2000 now? That's what I thought too. It was a bad 2000s version of the 70s. Yeah, so it's supposed to be in the same time frame. It's supposed to be 1973. But this cast is the most...

2003 looking group of people i've ever seen in my life and i don't know who did the wardrobe on this but they missed the mark because they aren't even dressed like the 70s that's what i was thinking the outfits are just like Britney Spears. It's like Britney Spears. Yes. Like, get up from the 2000s. Jessica Biel is literally wearing bootcut jeans and like a white tank top or a white t-shirt.

the freaking jeans like they are giving like 2000s low-rise jeans they like the the hip bones are so visible yeah it was just such a whole so that was my qualm about this so in the original we have these group of actors who look like real people in this film we have a group of 2003 teenagers who they scouted at the mall apparently jessica biel i was trying to remember where i remembered her name from and she was in seventh heaven

That's the only reference point I have for her. You also love that movie in We're the Only Two, The Tall Man. Yeah, I try to separate. That's a different Jessica Biel in my eyes. And she's also in The Sinner, which is a great series, too. I love Jessica Biel. Well, in Sweet Home Alabama, she is here. And she is our leading lady. They have... also killed all of our favorite characters from the original and replaced them with these other people.

Our brother in the wheelchair is no longer. They almost do a little twist, though, because they show him sitting in the van and almost like they're going to introduce that he's in a wheelchair and he's not. You actually don't. At least for me, maybe because I assume that.

That he was going to be the brother in the wheelchair character. I didn't realize that he wasn't in a wheelchair. Until he actually stands up. When they get out of the van later on. So that's Morgan. A nod to the original. We have Pepper. Pepper. and andy and then we have the boyfriend and she's talking to him and my notes say exactly kevin question mark lol what the fuck his name is kemper

Question mark. What the fuck kind of name is Kemper? We are starting this film with Sweet Home Alabama making fun of these poor country folk. And you have a character named Kemper in the leading cast. That's fucking insane. so we have our cast of characters in the van and before i turn it over to you for the hitchhiker i want to set the scene as to why we're in the van we're in the van because we went to mexico to buy marijuana

put it in a pinata, and now we're going to a Lynyrd Skynyrd concert, and that's why we are here. That's our storyline. There's no dead grandpa. There's no ancestral home. There is pot and a pinata and free bird. And then we meet a hitchhiker. So the first difference we see, well, the first major difference we see is that the hitchhiker in this movie is a girl. And she seems actually much more believable rather than that weird.

like guy from the original like nobody would pick up that weirdo but like this girl looked lost she needed help i would stop for her and so they do stop for her and then you find out this girl is just as odd as the guy from the original But seeing it through a 2000s lens, you know, if they had made the hitchhiker a man, they definitely wouldn't have stopped. So this woman gets in the van. She's covered in blood.

she's hysterical and they're trying to figure out what happens to her and then we see this act of self-harm and we didn't see it in the first film as brutal and gory as this which is like totally a 2000s thing because you know we've got hostile and saw so we're getting like straight into the gore in the 2000s and this hitchhiker she's talking about like don't bring me back there like i don't want

go back there because they're maybe heading in the direction of the house is what i got and then she freaking puts a gun in her mouth and blows her brains out which sets us up for the next part of this plot but i also think that we had kind of like a nod to the original because at one point when she says like no we can't go back there don't take me back there

That's exactly what Sally says at the end when she gets in the truck with the trucker. Right. And to the point, so there was trigger warning. The girl shoots herself. And I think the reason why I'm going to talk about it as gory as it is, is because of the shot and how 2000s it is. It's very Final Destination, in my opinion. So she shoots herself and the camera.

takes the point of view of the bullet and goes through her mouth and back out the windshield and you just see her body in the back seat and you might be thinking while lonely that sounds graphic as fuck it was i mean it kind of is but also looking at it i'm like that is that is giving haunted house this is giving Very, very fake. So it definitely was dumb with practical effects. And maybe, you know, in this era, it just couldn't pass for anything that looked relatively.

real but the the moment itself is very dramatic and sad but the actual effects used in the scene are just so hokey 2000s in my opinion but so we then begin the second part of our story where our team of friends here is stuck with a dead body

for like 80% of the film. It's just about what to do with this body. But this is where things get so interesting. Their concern, I think other than, what's her face? Oh my god, what's her name? Apple? Apple? Pepper. pepper she she's the only one who's concerned about the fact that there's a dead body here she's like oh my god we need to tell somebody what are we gonna do meanwhile our our young male friends here are like

What about the pot? What about the pot? We can't go to the police. They're going to find out we have pot. I'm like, dude, you got more important things to fucking worry about right now. So they ditched the pinata full of pot.

and end up at the gas station and the entire time like what was your thought on that like they're just driving around with this dead body in the car and there is some dark humor here but nobody seems to care like the amount of their like i don't know i would not be able to drive in a fucking car with a dead body like i think i would have stopped on the side of the road like did you think that was weird but they were just driving around with the

fucking corpse in the back of the car i think it's a fault that we saw in the first one where we're just supposed to suspend disbelief that the this group of people is stuck in this place because of that reason and the first reason they're running out of gas in this iteration they need to find the cop to hand over the dead body and i i think we just had to accept it and we have

to accept a lot in this movie. But one similarity between the two is the first group of people in the original makes dumb choices and they split up. And just like they did in the original, this group of kids splits up too. And Aaron and Kemper go to find a phone. And that's like... the such a slasher trope to split up so you need the group to split up so you can you know pick them off one by one and then the setup just makes no sense at first to put the characters

in this vulnerable position and in the first one the kids are visiting their childhood home even though it's run down and you know it's not fun at all and here we have people looking for a sheriff to turn a girl in like they both make no sense and it's just the strangest fucking thing like why I don't know. Maybe people processed information differently in 1973. But I don't know.

Like, that would be my first, like, I don't know. Like, if I went to a gas station and there was a dead body in my car. I'm leaving this here. I'm leaving this here. And I will wait in my car and figure out what's going on. Yeah, and they were like, oh, sorry. You get the sheriff. Like, oh, you gotta wait for the sheriff. Okay, well, I'll be waiting here, I guess. Like, there's a dead body in my car. I don't know. So they take a vote about dumping the body. Let's go.

They take a vote to dump the body, and they decide not to dump the body, and they decide to split up instead, as you say. So they end up going to this old mill. That's where they park the car, and this set is... insane there's just random shit everywhere like there's just like boxes and toys and weird shit and we're introduced to this this child who has no impact on the plot

and there's this kid has the worst this child actor bless him i hope he did something better with his life than this they put the worst fake teeth in that kid's mouth it's like the ones you get at halloween that that like little gummy teeth And that's a problem with this movie because they just keep throwing in all of these side stories with these side characters.

Trying to make the backstory make sense when they're really just like giving us too much information because we are introduced to the cop because they have to find the cop and everybody's like, oh, that cop's no good. He's probably drunk. And like for this major part of the movie, they're trying to find this cop, meeting this little boy who's going to help them find the cop and then go into the gas station. It jumps all over the place. Right. So let's talk about two.

big changes to the film. So one is the house, the farmhouse. So in the first, in the original, it is a farmhouse. When you picture a farmhouse in your brain, That's what's in Texas Chainsaw. It's this little rinky-dick house with two floors and some shingles and a little front porch and we got leather space in there with a chainsaw. This is some, like, hulking mansion.

thing like it looks like a a marble mansion there's it's like huge there's a giant basement filled with water for some reason even though there's no water in sight in this entire movie so that's the biggest change for me is that the sets are entirely different and i don't think the mansion adds anything like making the environment of the house bigger did nothing to kind of like the scares the chases or anything they wanted to give more like spaces for the

characters to run around in but like when we saw the first one you didn't need that the girlfriend runs into that weird room with all the bones and like that was a small room and that's all we needed but in this one going into this basement that's bigger than my house running around falling in like a bathtub maybe with water yeah no there was a bathtub so it was a bathtub filled with water and also the basement somehow flooding yeah and there's a kitchen yeah so

Anyways, we have this house that's totally different. And then they do some interesting work here with Leatherface. So Leatherface is an entirely different character. in this remake than he is in the original and i think this is also so quintessential 2000s so they make leatherface

More menacing and scary, it definitely reads more Michael Myers or Jason instead of the wild, frantic nature we get of the original Leatherface. So this might be a hot take, but I do think that... character design of Leatherface in the film is quite good. The shape and the size of him compared to the other characters is really good and adds to the horror. He's this big, hulking... He reminds me so much of the actor they chose for...

Michael Myers in Rob Zombie's Halloween. He's just so... big and scary and it just reminds me so much of like that 2000s era and i i don't hate that about this leatherface i just hate everything else they did with him so do you want to talk about the backstory that they give him

about how much i don't like this leather face because the there's a very noticeable difference which is okay remakes can be different but this leather face is so much more defined we learn about his sewing skills he has like a variety of tools and we get more into like that sewing the skin part together that we don't get from the first and it's they're given too much we even get this really weird sneak peek of leatherface

under the mask and they show his face and he doesn't have a nose and I'm like why why doesn't homeboy have a nose it just seems so odd for me so I respect that you like Leatherface but in this version I just thought they were like overdoing it. It was like putting too much there. But one of my favorite and silliest scenes with Leatherface is when he is going after the leftover people and he's wearing Kemper's face.

And he puts Kemper's face mask on. And it's almost like how a child would play with a mask that doesn't really fit or a wig that doesn't really fit or work for them. And it made me laugh. I was like, oh, do I hate that? Do I like it? And then I was like, it kind of works because Leatherface is supposed to be this really childish character. Even though he's so big, they juxtapose that huge presence with this really childlike need.

Which I give it credit for that. Right. So I agree completely. You know, I'm not always opposed to backstory for.

slashers but i think this was done so poorly that it's just it's so poorly and it's so lopsided and i think the reason why it feels that way is because it was setting itself up for sort of a trilogy of other films so they end up doing a prequel and a sequel to this one i believe is the return of the texas chainsaw or return of leatherface and the other one is just leatherface yeah so it's not the best trilogy of films anyway but

The sewing machine scene got me because it reminded me of the lipstick demon scene from Insidious. I was like, oh my God, they're going to start playing Tiny Tim right now. But I hated the fact that we saw Leatherface's face. I hated that. I am so anti taking off the mask. I just, I'm so anti that because it ruins the fear. I think the fear.

that is associated with masked characters is it actually alludes to you know what we talked about in our analog horror is like when faces are just not quite a face it triggers like an innate human response to feel afraid and when we reveal that when we take that you know ambiguity away and we see a you know a disfigured face it just

brings the scare down in my opinion but so we have we have leatherface and we also have our sheriff so you talked about the multiple side i was gonna call them side quests the multiple side quests here We have the sheriff, and this is my least favorite fucking storyline in the entire film. We spend so much time with this stupid sheriff. And I think it's because we're supposed to be shocked that he's not the real sheriff. But you know that right away!

yeah i think what they were hoping would happen is we would be like oh wow look at this backwoods sheriff like he doesn't follow the law he's so weird and strange no homeboy is just fucking insane he is not a cop he is fucking weird if nobody figures that out after the plastic wrap Like, what the actual fuck? So the storyline just goes on for so long. And we don't care about the characters. So when Morgan...

So they bring back the gun in the mouth. I don't know if there's a fetish going on here, but he puts the gun in his mouth in this scene, too. And that's like a whole... We're supposed to be scared. I was not scared. Slashers are supposed to kill off those people and just kill them off. We don't need this taunting back and forth. Just kill them. It's a slasher.

On the point of this being a slasher, similar to the original, we actually don't really see a lot of people get chainsawed or stabbed. the one friend, Kemper, I think. I think he's the one who gets his legs sawed off. But other than that, we don't see Pepper die. We don't really see Morgan die. We just see that one scene with the chainsaw. We don't see a lot of slicing and dicing going on here. There is a couple body horror scenes where he puts salt on his leg.

But other than that, we don't really see a lot. I noticed that too when I was wondering. It wasn't about a budget because they had the budget. Because look at all the stuff in the... the set and the different places that they went did they just waste their entire budget on making Jessica Biel travel to like all these different settings because that was one of my major complaints with this movie is the cat and mouse chase with Leatherface and Jessica Biel

from one location to the next location to the next location and this girl is just running around everywhere with a freaking wet t-shirt on with her nipples popping out which like is completely 2000s with the overt sexuality but like oh that part went on too long i i do want to talk about the power dynamic in the remake versus the original so in the first conversation we had you had me talking about my view of like that family dynamic and we find that the patriarch of the family

The father, the current father, is like the boss. And it was almost like everybody else was like a little afraid of him. And now we here have the father in the remake that's almost... equal to everybody else and there's one scene where the father lures jessica beal into the house so that leatherface can attack her rather than leatherface you know just doing his thing because he's doing it and i feel like they were more on an equal playing ground

Am I just pulling that out of nowhere? No, I think you're definitely getting in something. And I think that also leans into the fact that there are more characters in the family in this version. And we also have a matriarch. in this family that kind of makes all the decisions as opposed to the original where there really isn't a matriarch figure it's all the it's just the hitchhiker and the sheriff and leatherface and grandpa are you talking about the trailer park lady

yes so you have a trailer park family another another side story side quest yeah so i would say i like where you're going with this but i actually as now that i'm thinking about it i think I think if we look at the original, especially if we think about Sally and Leatherface... Leatherface is kind of they play more against that manic childlike kind of hysteria about him. And you think that because he's so.

wacky and kind of disorganized and frantic that sally might actually get away and she does whereas this leatherface they don't lean into that as much and you kind of aren't sure If Jessica Biel's character is going to get away, in my opinion, there's a little bit, there's much less suspense in this. There's no suspense. There's no, like, it's just so unbelievably boring.

Jessica is smarter, though, to me. I feel like she made smarter choices. She might not have been as real, but she thought about what she was doing and she hid. But I guess the first one was more believable, but Jessica Biel was just like making better decisions. I hated all of the... Obviously, we know Jessica Biel is not a bad actress because she is good in some other stuff that we see her in, but I don't know if it was this script or what, but these characters were so...

It's just cheap. There's no characters that actually matter. And then we're introduced to this whole cast of characters that eventually lead into the sequel. So we have this subplot with a baby where the woman who was in the car... in the beginning so the hitchhiker her baby they took her baby and then the baby was there i think she was like the older sister So we find out in this version that

this crazy family and the sheriff and like their crazy cousins or sisters or brothers that live in the trailer park they're kidnapping families disposing of the bodies and in this one situation where were led to believe that they are stealing the baby to raise it as one of their own. Yeah. So much. It's like you're at a buffet and you just keep putting more on your plate.

Right. There's just so much going on here, and there's no reason for any of these characters. They don't add anything to the storyline other than creating this community around Leatherface.

but if you're gonna i feel like they should have done one or the other it's like are you going to extend the cast of characters or are you going to give him a backstory like what what we don't need to do both and In terms of the storyline being all over the show and what feels like goes on forever, this cat and mouse chase, one of my favorite contingency issues in this film is...

We have no idea where they are. The characters regularly say that they're lost. They don't know where they are. They don't know how long it's going to take for them to get where they're going. They're so close to other buildings. she immediately stumbles upon all of these buildings that are critical to the story how the fuck did they like because then she goes up to the

the meat factory, right, or the slaughterhouse. It's this massive dystopian thing. You didn't see that in the background? Yeah, you're telling me you didn't fucking see that? You didn't have that much? There's one road in.

yeah it's like what the actual fuck and then the the scene where she's running to the slaughterhouse is so stupid because this building is so huge there's nobody to see her yeah there's nobody fucking there but they're obviously doing a lot of work because there's so many bodies of like meat hanging but nobody's running the plant nobody's there there's like 100 lockers yep and there's nobody there and she they just conveniently found a door that's unlocked in the middle of nowhere with all this

product in it and this is where i'm talking about it looks like a haunted house like i have been in many haunted houses that are set up exactly like this like you're walking through a cold room with strobe lights and there's fake legs of meat hanging from the ceiling and somebody like walks up next to you and they're like boo it's like oh my god like somebody spare me so then let's talk about her final fight scene so we're in the the slaughterhouse with no people in it

And she gets Leatherface back. She chops Sand off. but even with his loss of blood he's still like he's still running after her which brings us to the end end scene when she runs out and yeah it's like that weird 2000s thing where they they think they're gonna And she finds a trucker and you're thinking she's getting in the truck and she's going to drive away and save herself. But then the cop is coming up to the truck and he's like, I got you. I got you. And she's looking out the window of the.

supposed truck and he opens the door and she's not there because guess what she's in the car with the baby getting out of there saving the day just like the 2000s

There's also this fucking subplot where she was in juvie and it was on a hotwire car. Like, okay. what and i just love like that is so i know we keep saying this there's two so listeners if you're listening to this we should have put this at the beginning of the episode every time we say texas chainsaw take a shot and every time we say that's so 2000s take a shot yeah

Like, it's so 2000s. The fact that we, like, she's just so quirky and cool. Like, I wear low-rise jeans and my wet t-shirt. I went to Juvie. fucking spare me. Are we serious right now? Yeah, let's wrap this up. Let's get to her. Anyway, so... How true was this to the original? It was not true at all to the original, in my opinion. And for the worse, I think this was all over the show. I think you agree. Oh, absolutely. What I like the most about the original is it was the bare bones. And this...

Gave us so much and like I said, it's you're at a buffet and you just keep adding more and more onto the plate And then when you finally look at the plate at the end, it's just filled with like garbage This this movie was garbage Right. So I think it goes without saying this was not a successful remake in both of our opinions, I think, because it doesn't it didn't adhere to anything from the original that made the original good. And unlike our conversation.

about Suspiria where there were some cool things they did in the remake. They did nothing cool here. There was not a single, I mean, there were some things that were interesting and not a total failure, but there was nothing good enough in this to like make this need to exist. So I think, naturally, we both feel the original is stronger. Is that right? Absolutely. Well, this is one of 15 installments in the Texas Chainsaw franchise of just movies.

it got me thinking about some of the parameters of our, of this remake reframe series. And I wanted to kind of like just talk about that a little bit for closing thoughts, which is. So what we're doing, when we originally pitched this episode, when we were talking about this, we were talking about, obviously, the original Texas Chainsaw, this version, and then the most recent one from, what, 2021? Yeah. By David.

gentrified so the reason why we couldn't include that version in this current model that we have is because it's not a remake it's a reboot So that brings us back to the debate. It's like, what's the difference between a remake and a reboot? So the reason why the newest Texas Chainsaw that came out on Netflix is a reboot is because it exists in the same timeline.

of the original texas chainsaw so it adds on to the team the timeline whereas this one starts the timeline over and i guess that's a question for listeners Should we start? Should it be remake, reframe, reboot? The trifecta? We'll start doing universe reviews. We'll do a long-form podcast. It's just... 15 hours of us talking about every adaptation oh my gosh can you imagine if we did uh nightmare on elm street yeah that would be kind of fun though so when we think about that

I guess we'd have to do the research, but I guess according to this research on Platinum Dunes, the original Nightmare and the one made by Platinum Dunes in like 2010 would count as a remake reframe. So, listeners, if you want us to review the whole Platinum Dunes resume... which would be my bloody valentine halloween house of wax oh god house of wax call in let us know cast your vote maybe we'll ask on instagram which remake they want us to see us do next oh that's a good one

Yeah, so listeners, keep an eye out for that. We'll post a poll on Instagram and cast your vote which remakes either from the ugly era of the 2000s or otherwise that you'd like us to review. We're definitely, and then Susie, are we counting?

foreign film remakes as remakes like funny games that's a tough one because i feel like that's like a whole nother can of fish can of beans can of worms that's another can of worms we got to open in a different way Yeah, well, beans, worms and all that fun stuff aside, where can the people find you?

Well, I will be looking for dolls to add to my collection and I'll be on filmstagram at projectile underscore underscore varmint. And you can find my horror reviews and rants for lonely souls over on Instagram. At Lonely Horror Club. Almost forgot my whole handle right there, as if it's not my fucking name. I try to post interviews at least once a week, cause problems on Filmstagram whenever possible. I am currently playing Date Everything, the world's best dating simulators.

So you can catch my date, everything content as well. And you can find my writing on my website, lonelycoreclub.com. Thank you, dear internet, for tuning in to episode 62 of Nobodies. As always, sources, additional reading, and all of that fun stuff will be in our show notes. Call us if you want to leave us a message. You can give us a call at 617-431-4322 and keep up with our antics on Instagram at Nobody's Horror Podcast. Keep an eye out for our next poll to select.

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