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people who swim across the channel lunatics adam curry john c devora it's sunday may 10 2026 this is your award-winning gibbon nation media assassination episode 1876 this is no agenda celebrating mob Broadcasting live from Amsterdam. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry. Yeah, from Refinery Row here in Northern California. We miss our moms and wish them all a happy Mother's Day. I'm John C. DeBore. Yeah, that's right. I keep forgetting. We don't have moms. Well, we

have moms. No. We don't have living moms. Ah, this is the difference. We have moms no longer with us, yes. And as we know, most people who listen to the show hate their mom. Or is it? Or so it seems, except during COVID. Has it changed somewhat, perhaps? Oh, I can't visit my mom. Oh, no. Second show from the... You know, I looked out the window this morning. And that sign that caught fire in the hotel? Yeah. Literally outside our room. And they took it down.

I took a picture. It's all scorched. The wall is all scorched. I think that is weird. thing called fire. Yeah. It's short. There's a couple other strange things I just have to talk about. Boots on the ground, you know, on Thursday, we had just arrived, and you had only seen the inside. at the airport and I've been around I've been walking I went to see Christina we did the gender reveal we did the gender reveal big gender reveal party This is where you scoff. This is

where you scoff. They're kind of dumb. It was fun, though. It was nice. So first of all, In the Netherlands, this may be an EU-wide thing. They have done something to plastic bottles. And this is very odd to me. When you open the top of the plastic bottle, It stays attached to the bottle. You can't actually... No, it's got a little thing on it. Yeah, it's got a little thing on it. And I'm thinking, okay, I'm sure this is for climate change or to save the

Earth. But have you ever had a bottle of water? Yeah, I've had a bottle of water. And have you just, when you're done with your bottle of water, do you just throw the cap away or do you put the cap on and throw the bottle away? What I tend to do. Oh, here we go. I take the bottle, which is usually plastic. Yes. And I squeeze it to it so it's like shrunk into the smallest possible piece. Then I put the cap on it so it can't return to its original size. Then it takes up

less space in the garbage can. So you are actually doing a good thing for the earth with the cap. Yep. But you don't need the cap attached to remember. Does anyone throw the bottle cap away outside of the bottles? Anyone do this? I think it's been done. Oh, it doesn't seem like a number one thing. And it's kind of annoying because you want to drink out of the bottle and then... Yeah, you don't want the thing

slapping you in the nose. Yes, exactly. Europe. I have a, I, before you go on with your little... which is important, your conversation about it. It's very important. I have to play this in Amsterdam clip, which is a girl on Insta. Talking about the screwball stuff that she's run into and she's grilling her fake friend about it. Here we go. Hey, excuse me, Amsterdam. Quick question. Yeah, what is it? So I thought Amsterdam was one of those places where anything goes, but I'm hearing something of

a ban that recently went into effect. Well. Even we have our limits. But smoking in coffee shops are still legal, yes? Yeah. As are magic mushrooms. Yeah. And public nudity. Yeah. So what could have crossed the line that you have to ban it now? That would be public advertising of fossil fuel products, including meat. So no more ads. for gas-powered cars, airlines, or chicken nuggets? Correct. Well, I have a lot of questions, but besides that, is

there anything else you've been cracking down on recently? Yeah, young British men. What? You're banning British men? No, no, not a ban, but we do have an advertising campaign. telling them to stay away. So let me get this straight. In a city known for permissiveness, you're drawing the line at British dudes and ads for cheeseburgers. Yeah, naturally. Because one ruins the climate and the other ruins our

city. Yeah. Well, the ban on young British men, that's... that's been going for a while and I think it's kind of slowed down because of cheap airfare is over. now that they have barely any fuel. Yeah, that's true. Because, you know, they were getting on the easy jet for 50 bucks and flying over and getting... You just fall down drunk. And peeing in the mailbox. Party town. Yeah, peeing in the mailboxes and stuff like that. Yeah. Well, unfortunately, the mailboxes are connected to the door. You

know, it's not like a separate mailbox. So you're peeing into someone's house through the mailbox. So, yeah, the British boys were a bit of a problem. But listen to this. So we go to the gender reveal. And my first wife is there, who I haven't seen in 10 years. So, you know, it was kind of an interesting... interesting vibe all around. You know, the... Tina had never met her. So, you know, you can imagine that was interesting. That was great. Actually, it was great. It was

actually really nice. What do you think? The first question she asked me, we sat down for a couple of minutes. What do you think the first question was that she asked me? Well, I would say this if I was her. Think carefully. Think carefully now. I would say. Hi Adam, how's the show going? Yeah, no. You get another guess. No? No, you get another guess. Uhhh... Hi Adam, how's your hemorrhoids? You finally got them cleared up? Okay. No. Great, John, no. No! No? She says... I'm

sure everyone has asked you this. Uh oh. You want to guess now? Oh, everyone has asked you this. How do you like Texas? First she said, hey, is that old dude still alive? No, that's not what she asked. She said. What do you think of President Trump? Oh, I should have gotten guessed that. What am I thinking? The first question out of the gate. And... It is

the first question from everybody. I didn't expect it from her because, yes, there were a lot of questions she could have had as the first one at the top of her mind. But even... You know Taxi Eric, you know Taxi Eric, the guy that tried to kill you once? Oh yeah, they almost got me killed. Almost got you killed. He says that whenever he gets Americans in the car, he picks them up from the airport. They all go, oh, Trump. Oh, we hate Trump. We hate

Trump. Everyone hates Trump. And I'm like, that's odd. So only Democrats are traveling to Holland now? No, no, no. I think it's because people are afraid. Oh, I get it. Yeah, I've pulled that stunt. You know, because they know that all of Europe hates Trump. Now, that is also not true because Taxi Eric doesn't hate Trump. And so anyway, so then my answer to my first wife was, Well... You know... I like a lot of things he's doing. For instance, our borders are closed and he's

kicking out the undesirables. When you say this, and it works in every case, not just in ex-wives. When you say this, they go. Yeah, wow, I wish we had a guy here to do something like that. I bet, yeah. That's exactly what they say. And there's other things that he's done that I think are pretty good. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. I hadn't thought about that. So, but every single person, the same thing. First you say. I like Trump. I think he's doing some good stuff. And

their face goes... And then you just have to say, our borders are closed. And we're kicking out the undesirables. I like the use of the term undesirable. That's a good one. Well, isn't that the truth? The undesirable? Yeah, it's just a term nobody uses anymore. Perfect. Very apt. It's good. It's good. And then I guess the only other thing that I noticed here... is the ratio of commercials to programming. is worse than the United States. It

is 21 commercials. to every 12 minutes of programming. no matter what time of day. 21. 21 commercials of what length? Uh, varying between 15 and 60? So what they do here a lot is they'll have a... A 60? And then they'll have another commercial and they'll come back with a 15 second, which is like a little bonus for the one previous. So they'll, you know, they'll do a thing for some chocolate and then there's like washing powder and they'll say, hey, don't forget that chocolate. It's

really good. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think we do that in the States anymore, do we? It's been done, but

it hasn't. It's not popular. No. Uh, so, uh, I do have... a clip here about the extreme ban on burgers and petrol and cruises from someone who is very disappointing. I thought it was just meat. Now I'm understanding it's... No, it's all climate stuff. It's... Anything that has to do with fossil fuel. Yes, cruise lines. Airlines, petrol cars, all of that is for Boaten. Now the Dutch, Amsterdam, putting in place... ban that is so extreme it

has attracted worldwide attention. Before I get to that though, certainly in recent years the Netherlands has seen some pretty extreme policies. I mean, in the name of the so-called Green Agenda and to comply with EU rules, the Dutch government for some reason wanted to close down thousands of farms across the country to cut down nitrogen pollution and even went this far that if farmers refused to sell up, that the Dutch authorities would push ahead with compulsory

purchases of farms to shut them down. And what you've now seen... is this in Amsterdam the There is now a ban in place. for certain public adverts. So Amsterdam now from the 1st of May, so this is coming to effect now. Adverts for burgers, petrol cars, air travel and cruises. banned from appearing on billboards, tram shelters. or metro stations because of the outlook on environmental targets from the Amsterdam authorities who for some reason want to reduce

local meat consumption. And yeah, believe it or not, this is now the policy. being implemented in Amsterdam. And things could get even more extreme in terms of Amsterdam because it seems now the city actually looking at banning cruise ships completely. They're going to look to end sea cruises by 2030. Five. They've already decided to reduce the number of cruise ships allowed to dock in Amsterdam. That nearly

halved. And they're now looking at banning cruise ships, something that, of course, will cost them a huge amount of money in terms of port and tourist taxes. And what is not reported is they've reduced the number of slots available at the airport. So to fly direct to Amsterdam is expensive. I mean, it's already expensive because of... uh oil price and jet fuel availability but there's even more i mean you look at the ticket It's 75% is taxes and fees and carbon and extra airport fees just

because they don't have enough slots for airplane. This is a huge hub at International Airport. The Dutch are crazy. And everyone's complaining about the Prime Minister, Twinkle Toes. who suckered all the young people in by being openly gay. Like, oh yes, LGBTQ, it's going to be great. And this kid, all he does is stuff for rich people. So this is a country in decline. sad to see.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Kill the cruise lines and then take an international hub of major importance and screw it? Yeah. That's exactly what they do. Why? to save the world. For climate change? Are they nuts? Yes. And check this, so Taxi Eric... It isn't a full-blown law yet, but they're going to disallow. all diesel cars and trucks from the city center. And soon it will be, I think that may already be in effect. And most of these cabs, you know, these Mercedes cabs

all used to drive on diesel, of course. because it's much cheaper here. Um... And so now they're going to ban petrol cars. So he got a hybrid. And he can drive about 100 kilometers on battery alone, which is enough to drive into the city center and out a couple times a day. But they have so many electric vehicles. and such a lack of... energy available and grid capacity. that he can't even get a three-phase charger at

home. He has to plug this thing into the wall, and it takes four hours to charge something that could charge in 25 minutes. um And there are new homes being built that will never get electricity. We can't extend the grid to these new homes. where they already have hundreds of thousands of homes in shortage because they've given it to all the asylum seekers. This is crazy. Why people are not revolting here, I don't understand. It was a long-term strategy. I understand it now. That's why you

legalized marijuana and magic mushrooms. Woo! It's all good, brother. Yeah, there you go. You nailed it. You nailed it. I don't know what they're going to do in Hungary. Here's the latest update. Now they got the new guy in. It's a new era for Hungary. Peter Modior is set to take his oath as prime minister inside Budapest's neo-Gothic parliament. He has called on Hungarians to mark the day with a huge party. Celebrating the end of the

Orban era. We must immediately begin putting our country back in order, bringing home EU funds, restarting the economy and improving public services, as well as healing the wounds caused over recent decades, reunifying the Hungarian nation and of course... ensuring justice so that those who committed the crimes of the previous system are held accountable. Was it that bad? Did we just miss all the reporting? I thought everyone

loved Orban. uh they did the the corruption i got i i think got too much or ramped up i have a Report from the BBC, it's similar. Okay, hold on a second. Let me see. Is it under Hungary? Why, yes it is. Okay. Wait a minute. Why does it say Hungry New Guy? Why am I hearing stuff about Japan? That's what I'd like to know. Do you think it's still coming? Or do you have a Japan clip? I never heard this clip. This is under your clip. It says, Hungry New Guy won BBC. Interesting. Let

it play, she would have. No confidence motion against the mayor, who's been on medical leaves and suffering a brain hemorrhage in February. It means he'll automatically lose his position in 10 days. The problem in Hungary is they're now speaking Japanese. We've got a real situation on our hands. Oh, here we go. It's a bad edit. It was

a... Moment of pomp and ceremony in Budapest today. A fanfare sounded as new members of parliament came into the plenary chamber to watch Peter Modja, who won a landslide victory in last month's general election, being sworn in as prime minister. I, Hungarian Peter, accept that Hungary... In his inaugural speech, Mr. Modja said one of his government's first steps would be to create an independent office to investigate corruption over the past 20 years. That's the period covering

the government of his predecessor, Viktor Orban. Afterwards, Mr Mojar gave another speech to his supporters outside the Parliament, saying his premiership would mark a new beginning for his country. Take it with you. Take this day with you as a memory and remember this day. for your whole life. Maybe one day you will show it to your children, to your grandchildren, that this is how it was in 2026, the first day of the free and democratic Hungary.

Alright. All right. Okay. Well, new guys. You know, the funny thing is, you know, the people, I think they did like Orban to a point, but I guess the scandals were too much. But the other thing is, wasn't Orban going to be a dictator for life and he was never going to be removed? Yeah, there was some of that. Typical. It's the same thing. Trump. You guys are going to stay in office forever. Of course, I like the fact that Trump jokes about it. It's funny.

He had some joke the other day about it. He says, well, maybe in about a decade when I'm not in office anymore. We played it on the show. It was about his... Oh, okay. Yeah, play it again. No, don't play it again. No, I'm not going to play it again. What I'm going to play is... I got some brand new hot off the press stuff from this morning from the Sunday morning shows. Thank you to Steve, the clip collector. We got to talk about Hanta virus.

I mean, everyone's talking about the Hanta. You know, it's funny, before you play that, there's been a couple of pieces going around saying, claiming. Yes. The whole thing is a fake. Oh, I haven't seen that. The whole thing is a fake? Yeah, the whole thing is bogus. The people that have died didn't die of Hanta. Oh. And this is a complete creation to try to get people worked up. Now, I can assure you the dead Dutch people are really dead. Well, they might be dead, but

are they dead? From Hanta. Oh, well... One of them, somebody apparently died of old age. It happens to the best of us. What I love about this is we're just rewinding the movie. We're inserting a new word. We're bringing back the same puppets. Who do you want to talk to? to right away when there's something deadly going on? Peter Hotez. No, that's when we're... We don't have a vaccine yet. We're not there yet. What do you mean? You know they got 15 in the works, right?

We got to go back to the genesis. Who was the first guy? You need the first guy. Come on. Well, it's not Fauci. No, it's Osterholm. Osterholm. Oh, that guy. I'm joined now by one of the top infectious disease specialists in the country, Dr. Michael Osterholm. The one who scared our wits. scared us out of our wits when we started with the covid even before the guy you ran into it At Rogan. Yeah, when Rogan was still in Los Angeles. Yeah, exactly. And he was like,

oh, yeah, oh, it's really bad. Oh, millions are going to die. Of the University of Minnesota, it's good to see you this morning. Thank you. Most Americans, of course, had never even heard of the Hanta virus. So you can understand the kind of fear. What's his name? What's his name's wife died of it was? The actor. Gene Hackman's wife died of hantavirus and it was all over the news. We've heard of it. Well, it's interesting you bring that up. Is she kidding? It's interesting you bring

that up. Because yes, that was one of the things that I was curious about myself. I think we actually... I think we actually have a clip still. Uh, where is it? Hmm, I'll find it. coronavirus or influenza virus. This is one that has very limited ability to be transmitted person to person. In fact, it's a rare exception. And so we have no question about the fact that this really is on the end of its run right now. And they're very possibly maybe not no additional cases

from here on out. And I know originally you catch it from Rat feces or urine. How many cases... Why doesn't she just say rat poop feces? People don't understand that word anymore, Martha. Feces are there generally. Good point. Yeah, just say rat poop. It's okay. I think you're right. I don't think people know what the word feces means. I think it's too technical for Americans these days. rat poop originally and you hear her thinking about it like should i say rat poop should i say Rat

turds are like, ah, feces. You catch it from rat. Feces. You see how she. Yeah, you're right. It's that one beat. Chirp, poop. You catch it from rat feces or urine. How many cases are there generally in a year? In the United States, there are about 30 cases a year on average, and they mostly occur west of Mississippi. About 96% are west of Mississippi. And it has to do with the kind of mouse that lives west of the... Wait a minute! Wait a minute! Now we

switch all of a sudden from rat to mouse. Yeah. I don't like it. I don't like that. And now he says it's west of the Mississippi because of a certain kind of mouse? Yeah. What happened to Rat? The rats are out. Really raised our concerns with this boat related transmission is the one from South America. Ah, you hear what he's saying here? What really raised our concerns with this boat related transmission. So he's being sneaky about this. Yeah, he's talking about the Andean stream. Yes, and

that is... hemorrhagic. The Andean strain is like Ebola, Zika, without the small heads. Not Zika. Zika's not hemorrhagic. Oh. It's the other one. The Marfan. Marbur. Marbur. Marbur. Marbur. Marbur. We got it. We nailed it, people. Nailed it. Concerns with this boat-related transmission is the one from South America, which is called the Andes train. And that one actually on occasion has resulted in person-to-person transmission. Uh-huh. You

see, he's caging it. He's being careful, but he's slippery, this one. Sneaking it in. Yeah, he's sneaking it in. And supposedly you aren't... passing that or transmitting that unless you're symptomatic. Right. Right now, you can manage the individuals who've been exposed very simply by asking... Oh, how can we manage? What do you think we can manage them with? Come on, come on. What can we manage? What is the way to manage every virus? By the way, I want to stop the clip. What did he say

was the number of cases every year? 30. As of the end of 2023, 690 cases of hantavirus have been reported in the United States. Oh, okay, since surveillance began in '93. Okay, it's possible. Alright. I'm sorry. Are you experiencing any kind of a fever? And then take the temperature. Do you have any symptoms? If somebody is identified right at that point... Are you bleeding from your eyes? You can put basically an N95 mask on. Oh, okay. Back to the N95 mask. Oh, no. We know this

doesn't stop anything of the kind. And stop all transmission. Transmission stops with an N95. So this is why we don't need this high-tech, you know, containment facilities, et cetera, to monitor these people. We can monitor them very simply. And should they stay home? I know these 17 Americans are coming back. Shelter in place. Going to Nebraska, they will be checked. Self-isolate. And then they're sent home. And this is just a trust thing? Just check your fever?

Are you happy with that? Well, you know, it's not actually just a trust thing. In a sense, people really do respond to participating in this for their own health as well as the health of those around them. We've had a lot of experience with this in the past. Ebola was a good example. When we had all returning health care workers coming back from Africa. back in 2015 to 2017, we monitored them twice a day for their temperature and for any symptoms and that worked very, very

well. So I have complete confidence that we will have good compliance here. And I think within days, this will no longer be a story. Okay, all right, within days it will no longer be a story. Why would you even say that? This is how he gets on TV. I would say, check back in a few days. We'll see if it's no longer a story. Okay, he's certain. One more clip with him. Even the people who were let off the ship earlier, at the end of April, and are now, some of them, back in the United

States, no worries there. No worries there in the sense that they're going to be monitored now as they weren't before. Oh, no worries, because we can monitor them. But again, none of them have had any symptoms, onsets, have had no suggestion of infection. The same is true with all the individuals disembarking right now today. There's no evidence any of those individuals were sick. And if you look at what happened, the first person that came on the

ship brought it with them. And you can basically explain all the cases that have occurred to date around exposure just to that one individual, not to multiple people transmitting the virus. Thanks so much for joining us this morning. Put us at ease. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, at ease. You're right, John. We go back to March of 2025. It wasn't all that long ago. Here was the

report we. played on the show. Tonight, New Mexico authorities with tragic revelations to a week-long mystery, saying Gene Hackman died of heart disease and complications from Alzheimer's, likely a week after his wife Betsy died of the rare, deadly disease, Hantavirus. The cause of death for Mr. Gene Hackman,

aged 95 years. is hypertensive an atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease with alzheimer's disease as a significant contributory factor the cause of death for miss betsy hackman aged 65 years is hantavirus pulmonary syndrome pulmonary syndrome Now I think that's the, isn't that the Andy's version? That's what I... I'm not sure at this point. I'm not sure either. Here's the thing that... One is pulmonary and the other one is internal organs or something. So here's the thing that... that I

haven't seen any reporting on. Surprise. In the Pfizer document, the one that was FOIA, the one that was supposed to be locked up for 70 years. 95. 95 years. Hantavirus pulmonary infection is on the adverse event. special interest list. What? Yes, for the Pfizer vaccine. The RNA vaccine. Are they so careless? When they manufactured that they got a hantavirus in the vaccine, you think? Well, first of all, it's on page 33, which just tickles me. Okay,

that's good news. So I'm feeling better already. But... So there's two ways of looking at it. I don't think hantavirus was included in it. The way I read it, and it's a very technical document, so we'll have to have other people read it and tell us what. what we're seeing here. The way I read it is that if you have had hantavirus, which could be a mild case, you got a fever, you know, some rat poop slipped into your yogurt, you know, whatever. You didn't die.

It happens. especially if you're west of the Mississippi. Texas, by the way, is one of the states. Waffle House. Waffle House. That it can then bring back the exact same symptoms that you had from hantavirus. So the hantavirus is kind of dormant inside of you, perhaps? Wow, it sounds like herpes. Yes, like bad men. Mexican food, it comes back all of a sudden. Yes. Um... Which doesn't make any sense, but okay. Well, this is how... But

go ahead. Kara, this is what I'm reading. So that would kind of make sense if you think about Gene Hackman's wife. Think she was vaxxed? Do you think these people were vets? Oh, absolutely. Are you kidding? Of course she was. So this is what could possibly... create something that looks like a pandemic which would be in fact a pandemic of death So. I'm not so cavalier about all this. Oh, I see what you're saying. What you're saying is that because there could be numerous, maybe thousands

of cases of dormant... Mm-hmm. antivirus infections out there because of the nature of it, based on this paper, page 33, it's possible that... they could all be triggered by the COVID shot. Yes, exactly. And then you can use that as leverage for another fake pandemic. Check it out. This warning sits, you nailed it. This warning sits alongside about. Herpes Family Virus Reactivation Uh, symptoms. Also Zika, Guillaume Barre. And there's 1,300 other adverse event of special interest

categories that Pfizer was cataloging as known events. from day one in the document they wanted to hide for almost 100 years. And so... This is the gift that keeps on giving. Imagine my surprise when who shows up on CBS this morning. Come on, you know who that is now. Bochez. No! Who's the Pfizer douche? Oh yeah, the guy who's on the board. For more now, we turn to former FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb. He also serves on the boards of Pfizer and UnitedHealthcare. Welcome back, Doctor.

Thank you. He already sounds bad, doesn't he? He's like, welcome back, John Lennon. It's almost like he's rolling his eyes like, I got to do this again. Or maybe he's like, I hope they don't ask about that document. Please don't ask about the document. Whatever you do, don't

ask about the document. Welcome back, doctor. thank you so there have been three deaths linked to the outbreak here in the us there are six states monitoring potential exposure, all either linked to the ship itself or flights of people who have been on the ship, and then those 17 Americans. Do you agree with the CDC and the World Health Organization that the risk to public health is low? Oh yeah. Yeah, I do agree with that. We have to concede that there's still things we don't know

about this virus. We haven't had to grapple with many outbreaks in the past. There's been two large outbreaks in Argentina. But based on that experience, what we know is that typically for transmission, you have to have close contact. We also know that people typically aren't contagious unless they have showing signs of the infection itself in what we call the prodromal phase. ProDromo. We have never heard of the prodromal phase. No, I've never heard this. This is

new. Where they start to have an onset of symptoms and the progression from that onset of symptoms to severe disease and in these cases death is typically just days. This is a very aggressive virus. And so based on what we know, the transmission risk is low. Now that said... When you look back at the past experience, there are these outlier cases where there appears to have been transmission among people who weren't perceived to be in close

contact. And so there are these cases that we need to look at closely from the past experience and just be wary that perhaps there's things we don't know fully about this virus. I will say that we are nearing the end of the transmission window. for the peace. Transmission window. What is he? Is he broadcasting now to this to the satellite? Why is it transmission window? Transmission window is almost closed. That we need to look at closely.

Yeah, I think so. In the past experience. And just be wary that perhaps there's things we don't know fully about this virus. I will say that we are nearing the end of the transmission window. for the people who are being repatriated here in the U.S. And so it looks to me like the last death on that cruise ship was May 2nd. That patient had an onset of symptoms on April 28th. If you believe that the incubation period is about... If you believe... How about some science,

Dr. Gottlieb? What is this believe crap? cruise ship was May 2nd. That patient had an onset of symptoms on April 28th. If you believe that the incubation period is about two to six weeks, they'll be at the peak of that incubation cycle some point this week. So I think we're about two weeks away from knowing whether or not there'll be additional cases that come from that initial outbreak on the cruise ship. Hold on a second. That contradicts what Osterholm said. He said, nah, it's over. This

is done. This is toast. Now, Gottlieb is giving us two weeks transmission window space. I don't like this at all. And of course, the one thing that will not help, do not listen to the internet. Whatever you do, whatever you do, do not. I mean, telling you, do not take horse dewormer. So a key moment here. I mean, the WHO said it's very clear this is not COVID all over again. But as you know, it has ignited some of the very same skeptics who during the

pandemic. really questioned our government institutions and the response. The WHO has said there is no research that ivermectin is an effective treatment for the virus. There's no research. It doesn't say that it's not effective. There's no research. Well, of course not. We've never had an outbreak of antivirus. I'm wondering what you make of these calls for alternative treatments and resistance of government health advice. There's no treatment.

What alternative treatment is this? This might be a primary treatment. These people make me mad. According to the date... I'm sorry, but according to the ivermectin freaks, the hantavirus is another RNA. Yes. virus which are very easily thwarted by ivermectin. Ivermectin, man, it'll heal your broken elbow. Ivermectin is all you need when you travel is Ivermectin and gaffer tape and you're good to go. Look, I think we're going to be relitigating the consequences of COVID for

a long time. And I think a lot of people who are in public health positions right now believe that their tenure and their appointment to these positions is a referendum on COVID in some respects. And so that goes through their public comments. This is not COVID. It's not going to spread like a pandemic virus, like COVID did, like a coronavirus did. It spreads far less efficiently. There aren't any treatments, successful treatments for this virus. Ivermectin certainly

isn't an effective treatment. Just by virtue of its mechanism, it doesn't work against this virus. It prevents viral replication. in the nucleus, not the cytoplasm, where this virus replicates. It's just not gonna work. What? What? Well, wait a minute. It makes it sound like it did work against other things. What did he just say? He said how nucleus of makalaka. It works. It does work then in some situation. In the nucleus of the microplasm makalaka. It

doesn't work against this virus. It prevents viral replication in the nucleus, not the cytoplasm where this virus replicates. It's just not going to work. So I would encourage people not to use that. I know that there's been some things on social media suggesting that people should stockpile ivermectin. We don't have an effective treatment for hantavirus, and that's what makes this very menacing. Now, wait, you said that... There's 15 hantavirus vaccines already in the making? Is that

true? Yeah, yeah. Is that true or you just said that off the cuff? No, that's absolutely true. That many. So. The Army's got one, the Navy's got one, there's all these different ones. There's a big list of them floating around. People were mocking the list. Now, if I were... the global liberal world order. And I'm hating everything Trump is doing. He's wrecking our party. He's screwing it up with what he's doing with oil. He's screwing it up with the banking. screwing up. He doesn't want to

help Ukraine. He's not playing ball with us. Why wouldn't they just pull the same trick they did in 2019? You're telling me no one has tabletopped this? No one has war-gamed it and said, In fact, Two weeks ago, there was a... One of those things that you always like to bitch about. Yeah, the war game exercise? There was an exercise, yeah. What was that original one called for COVID? E40201? Event 201, I think. Event 201. Event 201, yeah. I mean... Wouldn't you just, I mean, these

are the exact same people. Wouldn't they be like, oh, this is great. We can get rid of that Trump. I don't think they can pull this one off. You can't do it with Hant the virus. Well, they've already got him in a bad situation. They're trying. You know, it's like... Come on boys, we can do better than this. of the gaggle. Well, I think you're going to be told everything and you already have. very much we

hope under control. It was the ship and I think we're going to make a full report about it tomorrow. We have a lot of people, a lot of great people are studying it. Should be fine. We hope. I hope not. I mean, I hope not. We'll do the best we can. Yeah. Yeah. And so a lot of great people. This was not left unturned, this stone by CBS and Gottlieb about a lot of great people. You served in the first Trump administration as his... FDA commissioner

in the first term. The person in that job now has been a guest on this program, Dr. Marty McCary. He was a vocal critic of COVID response during Trump and Biden. There's a lot of reporting right now that his current position, that he's at risk of losing his job. Given how important the FDA is, they regulate, I saw, one-fifth of consumer spending in this country. How damaging would it be to lose its leader, and is there someone who could step in quickly? No one obvious to

me. And there's been some reporting about different candidates that could work on an interim basis. there. Marty's a friend. You know, I think that that's a very difficult job. It, as you said, regulates about 20% of the U.S. economy, products that are very important to people's lives, medical products, food, food safety. And so there's a lot of debate and consternation about decisions that get made at FDA. And so it's been a controversial position for whoever's held

that job, including me. You know, I got criticized for decisions that I made in that position as well. I think the continued upheaval at FDA has been detrimental to the agency, not just the speculation about Marty's fate, but also the departures that we've seen from the agency. The agency's lost thousands of medical reviewers, some voluntary through the through the Doge cuts or some forced. through the doge cuts. Involuntary means some voluntary. There's been a lot of

voluntary departures from the agency. If you look at the oncology division, they had a starting strength of about 100 medical reviewers at the beginning of this administration. They're down to about 50. The hematological group that reviews drugs for leukemia and lymphoma had 21 medical reviewers and it's down to six. These aren't doctors. These are reviewers who approve stuff. You know, they're pharma shills. They lost an entire breast cancer review team. So there's been a lot of

departures from the agency. You've seen political appointees take over what are typically career leadership positions, running the medical product centers, the drug center, and the biologic center. So I think, cumulatively, that's... That's taken a toll on the agency, and this continued speculation that we saw on Friday I think is just going to be another step downward. Uh-huh. I'm just saying they're setting it up. They're setting it up in case they need to. If they decide to

pull the trigger, all you need is the media. All you need is a bunch of people who have this adverse event. That's just, what was it? adverse events special investigation thing. that reactivates this hentavirus. I mean, it's clear that there's a lot of things going on with side effects of, I would say specifically the Pfizer mRNA. Hate to say it. Not with everybody, for sure. Praise God, our... two of our daughters are still good and they've been Vax to the hilt. Lots of boosters? Many boosters.

Yes. Many, many boosters. It hurts my heart, man. So, luckily. Luckily, they're okay. Now, if you don't mind, I just want to stay on the pharma. tip for a second because I would have saved this for later on in the show, but Gottlieb went into this, and I have a couple of clips from a recent Maha Institute. And this is the MK Ultra that we've been talking about of SSRIs. And I don't think people understand. how

big of a disaster this is. Except for Kamala Harris's stepdaughter, who paused from crocheting to think, hmm, I've been on these things for over a decade. I wonder if there's something up with that. So here's Gottlieb. He leads us right down the path. I want to ask you about some of current leadership. there. Secretary Kennedy was speaking about the use of antidepressants in this country. Almost 17%

of Americans use them. He says they're overprescribed, and he compared his experience of heroin withdrawal to a family member's experience getting off antidepressants known as SSRIs. Take a listen. I watched a family member get off of them after a couple of years on them and she was suicidal literally every day. She woke up every morning and said, "I don't want to live." And she said, The only reason I'm staying alive is for you guys, for the family. He later said that he was not telling people

to stop if they're taking that medication. But what do you make of his description of antidepressants as risky? Look, these are prescribed in a primary care setting. Like any drug that's prescribed in that setting, I'm sure there's some marginal prescribing, you know. isolated marginal prescribing. What does that mean, marginal prescribing? Does that mean over-prescribing? Is that a tricky term? I think what he means by marginal is that maybe the person doesn't need that drug, but they

get it prescribed anyway. They're on the margin. Okay. But for most Americans who take these drugs, they're very important and in some cases life-saving and I would encourage everyone who is thinking about potentially stopping these medications based on the Secretary's comments to consult their doctor. There is a period of time that patients need to be weaned off these drugs. They can be successfully weaned off these drugs.

They can be if you're lucky. They want to be and there's alternatives that could be effective for their mental health but nobody should just stop. these drugs outright without

being under the consultation of a medical provider. I worry that the Secretary's comments is going to discourage legitimate use of these drugs in the same way that his comments around Tylenol, discourage use of Tylenol in the setting of pregnancy where it could be very important for certain pregnant women who need pain relief and fever relief in that setting. We saw a lot of women... Quick, quick, I love that little pivot. Hey, these guys are stupid about

Tylenol. Don't talk about the SSRI. Move away from those drugs, use those drugs, even appropriate use of those drugs. Based on the secretary's comments about that, I worry about the same thing here. It's clear that the secretary wants to put downward pressure on the prescribing. He tried to implement regulatory steps to do that as well. And so it is concerning. So I got a couple of boots on the ground since we've been talking about this topic.

First one from Laurens. and she is 35 she lives in amsterdam was put on lexa pro in 2021 says i want to support your take on ssri's by sharing my own experience 2021 i was 35 a well-meaning doc A doctor here in Amsterdam put me on Lexapro, a strong SSRI. It made me extremely agitated, not to mention aggressive, and I'm normally a pretty relaxed person. While I was taking this, I started spending most of my weekends drinking black coffee, watching very violent video games on YouTube.

The kind of games where you're ripping monsters in half with a chainsaw. I had no interest in playing these games, I just enjoyed the graphic violence. Again, normally I'm a pretty relaxed person, but these drugs made me aggressive and hypomanic. SSRIs boost serotonin and serotonin is a substance that makes you feel safe and dominant. So it's not hard to imagine why this could lead to dangerous behavior.

Of course, doctors are not all aware, since these kinds of side effects could easily be attributed to something else. Maybe you're having a difficult time at work, you just need to meditate. And doctors mean well, but they don't have the time, so maybe they just prescribe you some benzos, which is not the same as SSRIs, to calm you down. At any rate, getting off SSRIs... is its own form of torture with mood changes, brain zaps, and lots of other fun stuff that will haunt you until

the end of your days. Getting off these drugs was absolutely the right thing for me, and I think listening to the show first put into my head how dangerous these drugs can be. John, another score. pharmacology note, Lexapro, which the medical term is escitalopram, is recognized as having one of the highest affinities and top-tier selectivity for serotonin transport among SSRIs, often considered the most typical or selective due to its minimal binding. to other receptors. And so

the Maha Institute, which is a RFK Jr. symposium. had this Dr. Anders Sorensen from, I think he's Norway or Denmark. And he gave a little spiel. I clipped three or four short clips. About SSRIs. They're short. One of them is 35 seconds, so they're short. about SSRIs and getting off of them. So in 2018, a study was published in the BMJ asking one very simple question. Do parachutes. Reduce the risk of death. when jumping from an aircraft. - The researchers compared two groups, one jumping with

and one without. The result, no significant difference between the groups. Parachutes, it seemed, offered no protective effect, compared to those jumping without one. But there was one small detail. hidden in the methods section, which you of course always remember to read. All participants had jumped from an aircraft parked on the ground from an average of half a meter. And as the authors noted, one should be cautious

in extrapolating their findings to real-world high-altitude jumps. We might laugh at this silly study, but it stops being funny when you realize we're doing something very similar in psychiatry today. Fast forward to 2025, a study in the American Journal of Medicine compared how long antidepressants were studied in the randomized trials we rely on compared to how long people actually take them. The median duration of the trials was eight weeks. meaning that most participants are only going

to be on these drugs for two months. And the median duration of real world use in the US Five years. So we're using short-term evidence to guide long-term treatment. And that gap matters, especially when it comes to dependence and withdrawal. Yeah. So you can already see where this is going, that they have no idea how bad these things are if you want to get off of them. Since 1997, SSRI withdrawal has been described as mostly mild abuse. self-limiting, lasting a week or two, mentioning only a

handful of the more than 80 reported symptoms. That's what the guidelines say. because they're based on short-term trials far from reality. So what happens in practice? People who've been on these drugs for years decades are tapered off as if they've been taking them for months. often by aggressively halving the dose, halving again and then stopping. And when that goes wrong, which it often does, They call it a relapse of an underlying condition. Conclusion, you still need

the medication. So back on the drug, symptoms resolve and the therapeutic illusion is complete. It looks like the drug is treating an underlying illness, when in fact it might be just relieving withdrawal. But before we conclude a relapse, which of course could be the case, withdrawal has to be ruled out first. All right, so what are some of these symptoms? What's confusing is that withdrawal from psychiatric drug isn't just physical symptoms. It's not just dizziness, nausea,

headaches, muscle pain, shaking, burning sensations, fatigue. I mean, it's that too. But it's also anxiety. Insomnia, irritability. Depressed mood, mood swings, brain fork, difficulty concentrating, intrusive thoughts. Withdrawal can limit relapse. or new diagnosis for which there are also drugs. The symptoms overlap. And if you don't recognize withdrawal, you will misinterpret it. SSRIs are definitely not harder to quit than heroin, says producer Tim. That's only a commentary

on heroin, not on SSRIs. They're incredibly difficult to quit. The long and short of it is you go incredibly crazy in sort of a bipolar mood swing kind of way for the duration of your withdrawal, which is about a month. Medical best practice. is to very precisely titrate off the dose over a span of several months. But again, I found out the hard way. A lot of doctors just don't know what they're supposed to do. Final clip, which tells you the story that we already know

from these, from previous medications. And we've been here before, historically. We start with benzodiazepines. introduced first as safe and effective with minimal concern of dependence until decades later dependence and severe withdrawal became undeniable. Then we saw it again with opioids, again aggressively marketed as safe and effective for chronic pain until we had an epidemic. The pattern is the same. A new drug is introduced, framed as safe

and effective, gets widely prescribed. Then people start having trouble coming off it. Then research begins to confirm what patients are experiencing. But that research is pushed aside, ignored, because it challenges the prevailing paradigm. It's textbook paradigm shift from Thomas Kuhn. 1962 classic. So prescribing continues. And recognition comes years, often decades later. And then the cycle repeats with

new safe and effective drought until we understand this. The body doesn't care what we call the drug or what receptors it acts on. It's just the depths. Setting the stage for withdrawal and dependence. Help! There it is. uh i like the fact that we at least got one person off or at least to consider it You know, some couple years ago, Francine Hardaway sent a note in. Oh, goodness. Dame Francine. We haven't heard from Dame. Francine in Eons. I stay in touch with her. Oh, good.

How's she doing? She's writing a lot. She has a substance. She writes these personal anecdotes and she's got about a book's worth of material. Oh, wow. Does she still listen to the show? I doubt it. So what did she have to say? Oh, she said these things are the worst. You can't get off them. Yeah. Well, you can, apparently, but it's not easy. It's not easy. *Sigh* Well, maybe we'll save one more person, John. You know, there is a presentation floating around on YouTube. And I'll

try to get it, dig it up and... Clip it. Get it to the show notes of all these different drugs from Darvon to Quaaludes, one thing after another. I think there's like the top. 25 drugs that have been taken off the market. And the underlying theme is, well, they had some data, but they kept it to themselves. It's like a theme. The drug companies say, it's like, now you have to wonder. what the deal is with some of these drugs. Are doctors being, is there evidence

that doctors are bribed? I mean, the pediatric doctors are totally bribed to vex up the kids. Well, they also. Or they kick you out of a practice. Well, no, this system is clear. The drug goes to all those people on the review team who Kennedy has fired. and replace their former farmer people. I'm talking about at the street level. Are doctors being paid off to prescribe drugs? No, but listen. This is what I'm saying. The first part is... It goes to the FDA, the FDA has

the shield. The SHIELDS goes, yep, it looks good to me. I mean, whatever you show me, I don't want to see anything else. That's good. Then it gets a safe and effective approval. Then the reps go to the doctors and they say, safe and effective, would you like to buy some? Would you like to serve this to your patients? And here's a set of golf clubs. And here's a speed. We all saw the doctor. documentary. And here's a party and here's a cruise and, you know,

et cetera, et cetera. Because they've been told it's safe and effective. Their butts are covered by the FDA. The whole system is crooked. And I think RFK Jr. is doing something here. It does seem like he's creating some awareness through a podcast. Yay! because you're not going to see it on CNN, who live by this stuff. That's the other part of it. So yeah, so the doctors. They have, what is it, what is the term? Wait, culpab- uh, uh... about culpability. They- I don't know. Yes,

you do. There's a term that says, I... Liability? Indemnification? Are we talking about... No, no. Where you have a way to show that you couldn't have known because you had... Oh yeah, right. Plausible deniability. Plausible deniability. Thank you. There you go. Boomer moment for both of us. Yes. Not for me. Okay. For me then. Boomer adjacent moment. Plausible deniability. Yeah, it's sick. It's sick, I tell you. Sick. Sick, sick, sick. Well, it is bad. Yeah. All

right, let's get to politics. Woo! Because big news. In the UK? Yeah. Yeah, this was great. Yeah, the UK, the labor, and the preface to these, I only have three clips, but you don't need that much of it to understand what's going on. The election took place. The council elections. This was live on television. Yeah, it was the little boys. The little local elections, yes. and that

labor just ate it. And now everyone's predicting that both labor and the conservatives, they, conservatives, did not do well. Nope. Nope. parties. Maybe going the way of the dodo, and maybe these new parties will be coming up, especially led by Farage's operation. Yeah, the Reform Party. Yeah, which he started because he basically quit the other one. What was the one he started before? What was it called? He had another party. Wasn't it the Brexit party? Wasn't

that the Brexit party? No, no, it was UK. It was something that had some jazzy sound to it. It was very similar to the Reform Party, but it was different. And he had to quit it because there were too many nut balls that had joined it. It happens. Yeah, so he just started a new party. which has done quite well. But let's play what's happening here. There's

election shift BBC. The beleaguered British Prime Minister Keir Starmer has again insisted he isn't going anywhere following the disastrous results for his governing Labour Party in English local elections and the devolved parliamentary votes in Scotland and Wales. I think we have to set out the path ahead, and that's what I intend to do in coming days, how we rebuild, how we convince people about hope for the

future, and we haven't done enough of that. So I will be setting that out with clarity about my convictions and my values. What drives me forward on this? Keir Starmer has now invited two veteran Labour politicians to help rebrand his premiership, including the former Prime Minister Gordon Brown. But some MPs within the party are continuing to call for him to set a timetable for his departure after Labour suffered huge losses, mainly to the right-wing populist. Reform

Party. Our UK political correspondent Rob Watson says it's a seismic shift in party allegiances. The more I've reflected on it overnight, Alex, the bigger and the more significant it seems because it really does seem as though the old order has crumbled and a new order is taking shape.

And I rate it up there as... being as significant, this ending of the duopoly of conservatives and labor with the creation of the welfare state after the Second World War in 1945, with the Suez Crisis in the 1950s, where Britain ceased to be an imperial power after its humiliation, Mrs. Thatcher coming to power in 1979, and the Brexit vote. I think it is that. big, it's that

significant. And while it's true that the Labour Party is flirting with that and will no doubt get rid of Keir Starmer in the not too distant future, well certainly between now and the next election. It was the UK Independence Party. Right. I looked it up too. UKIP. Yeah. UKIP. Yeah, and then they became nutty, and so he bailed out. After they tried to kill him. Remember they tried to kill him? The plane crash? Yeah, the plane crash. Oh, the plane crash. Right, right, right. Yeah, yeah,

yeah. Of course, they always try to kill these people. Yeah. The Gandhi's clip to. The facts that's driving this are just. unlikely to go away. And there are three, and they're not unique to Britain. The first one is the economic squeeze. I mean, a lot of this anger is driven by voters feeling that they're living standards. Oh, really? That's the only thing? Really? That's all that it is? That's just one. Okay. All right. All right. All right. It's a falling that wide about housing and the

economic forecast for the next decade suggests. Britain is not going to grow, so that's number one. Number two is just Keir Starmer's own personal unpopularity. He is so unpopular. I mean, it is just extraordinary. It's almost off the scale. No politician has ever come back from that. And then the third one is what you might call culture,

values, issues, identity issues. And that is the anger that's out there in Britain, as in so many other countries, about immigration, social cohesion, multiculturalism, how you treat British history. And that, again, does not look like dissipating. Oh, did they not bring in the Mandelson-Epstein? No, no. That was the big deal in Parliament. Yeah, but that wasn't the reason people voted these guys out. I don't think the British public at large gives a shit about any of

it. In fact, when I talked to Orlowski about it, he still thinks that Mandelson was still calling the shots at 10 Downing from the get-go. continue to do so after they fired him. Wouldn't surprise me. That's Andrew Orlowski from The Register. Friend of the show. No, he's not at the register. He's with the London Telegraph now. Oh, really? Oh, he's moved up a notch. He's been writing for the Telegraph for about six, seven years. That's a respectable paper. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So friend of the show,

F-O-F-S, F-O-T-S. Friend of the show. He does listen too. He will have heard me say this. Friend of the show, F-O-T-S, FOTS. So he says that that's what he claims that, you know, that this Mendelssohn guy is still. In play, and I'm thinking, I don't think so, but okay. Well, what do we know? He's boots on the ground. He's living there. Yeah, I know. He's been right most of the time, but I'm not buying that one.

Let's go with the last clip. One of the key policies of the Reform Party, which came out as the biggest winner in the elections in England, is to combat illegal immigration. The UK Home Office says over the past eight years, 200,000 migrants reached England illegally by crossing the Channel in small boats. You know what kills me? Because I lived in England. They lock up your pets. for six months minimum. Yeah, if you try to bring a dog to England, you might as well just... forget it.

Yes, for six months, 18 months, they lock up your dog because, oh, he might have rabies. He might have rabies. But, hey, it's illegal. They got no rabies. You know what I mean? No hanta, no nothing. Despite efforts to stop the boats, including a recent $800 million deal with France, The UK says the number of people making the journey has continued to rise. James Wattas has sent us this report. The town of Middelkerke represents a step change when you cross the border on the northern coast

from France into Belgium. It's an affluent area and the locals here are facing a problem that really is new to them. Small boat migrant crossings. The West Flanders Deputy Police Chief, Christian de Ridder, is keen to nip it in the bud. We have to stop them before they get to the UK. And we have to find a way to stop them on the water. If we could put on a naval barrier so they don't get into French water, everything will stop. - I don't have any more clips, but it goes on and on with all

these guys that are going across the English Channel. I don't understand how you can go across the English Channel in a small boat. I took the Dunkirk Ferry probably twice. Yeah, it's bumpy. in the olden days, in like the 70s. And then, you know, then they went to a hovercraft, which was cool, a great way to get across. And then, of course, there's the channel, which is the way to go. But... That's the most sickening ride I've ever had on a boat. Yeah. It churns, it

bounces around. I don't know how a little boat can go across. the English Channel. Well, that really depends on weather conditions. Well, yeah, I guess they look for the right day to do it, but it's not a short trip either. You'll recall that the Brits in World War II, I think it was World War II. They, all these, you know, like hundreds, maybe thousands of small boats. cast off from Britain to go pick up the troops

who were locked. and surrounded by the Germans. in France and they picked them up and they sailed them all back. And these were tiny little dinghies and all kinds of rowboats. I don't know what kind of stuff they were doing. I don't think they were always that small. They were small. They were small boats. I know they went to do that. Yeah. flown over the English channel many times smooth as glass. Yeah, well, if you fly over. Well, but 5,000 feet, you know, been to Cessna.

I'm looking down. I'm like, oh, that's pretty nice. If anything... What do you mean, ugh, please? That is a rough go getting across that channel. It is not. It can be. people who swim across the channel. Lunatics. - I do have... I do have two quick quotes here. From Nigel Farage. Here we go. This is the most unpatriotic prime minister. we've ever had in this country, heading the most unpatriotic British government we've ever had in this

country, and they're even worse. than the Conservatives in the last five years, and they weren't very good either. And here he is with a quick prediction. I think if Labour get obliterated in the Red Wall and in South Wales... And in Scotland, then, yeah, he'll be gone by the end of May because the backbench will move against him. End of May? End of May. End of May is what he's saying. I had to throw in a little aside here. Okay. We picked up on Nigel Farage

as a character of importance. Early on. Early on, a decade ago, well, it was 2009, probably. 150 years ago. Yeah, it was a long time ago. And we got grief from various reasons. Oh, yeah. UK listeners. Yeah, they told us, he's an idiot, he's no good, and we were like... He's not going to cut you. You're wasting your time following this guy's career. You guys are off the mark. Spiking the ball? Is that what you're doing here? Yeah. I'm spiking the ball without a we told

you so. But it's like... It's just like, this is typical of this show. Yes. We're on it. People hate us. That's what I'm trying to say. People hate us for years. For some reason, they still... still listen. And then later they say, Hey man, thanks for saving my life. But donate? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Value for value,

people. Remember these valuable lessons. So I picked up clip which is has luckily it's only a minute because the guy's kind of insufferable George Galloway George Galloway is totally insufferable. But it's worth it in this case because he's on to something that's going on with Keir Starmer. And Galloway, now he used to be a politician. Was he labor? I think he was labor. He must have been labor. Socialist. Or a communist. Commie. He's a communist, basically.

Yeah, and I think he became a columnist. Is he a columnist for The Guardian or something? Well, he was on Big Brother. It was all downhill from there. um so yeah he's a he's no longer a columnist john he's what everybody else is a youtuber He has what he thinks is a podcast because he's basically a YouTuber. And here he is. No. Part of the British media is covering the fact that at the end of this month, three Ukrainian rent boys are on trial for allegedly

arsoning the British Prime Minister Keir Starmer. Is that British? Can you say arsoning as like a verb? Arsoning? Like lighting somebody on fire? Yeah, arsoning. Is that a verb? I thought arson was just... Well, maybe it is. Isn't it an adverb? No. Arsening. I've never heard of... Well, let's look it up. Just type it into the browser. It'll tell you. Okay. I never heard the usage, that usage before. Let me see. Hey, book of knowledge. Is

arsoning, can you say someone was arsoning someone else? It's a widely recognized term that may be misspelling or a variation of arsenic. Poisoning. Yeah. Arsening is a real verb form mainly used in India. You can say someone was arsening a building. Most people just say committing arson, though. See, that's different than this. This definition is widely recognized. which is a misspelling or a variation of arsenic. It does have a specific definition. Blah, blah, blah. It goes

on. Okay. All right. Back to the clip then, because this is getting fun. Rent boys, massage artists, male models, every one of them a Ukrainian, is charged with arsoning two separate residences, two separate vehicles. If this were happening to me or any other citizen in the land, every person in Britain would be fully conversant and would be speculating wildly on exactly why these Ukrainian red boys allegedly arsoned the British Prime Minister, but not one. News report.

has occurred into the extraordinary circumstances of a serving British Prime Minister being singled out for reasons we know not why. Allegedly by three Ukrainian rent boys. And very pretty boys. The men are pleading not guilty. They may very well be innocent, but they may very well have to be cross-examined. But by the end of the trial, we'll know one whole lot more about just what they had held against the British Prime Minister. That's horrible. But... I

can't talk like that if I wanted to. Now, so the press has started to pick up on it. They don't call them rent boys. But there is a story. The trial of three men accused of conspiring to commit arson against two properties and... This is proper. Conspiring to commit arson, not arsoning them. A vehicle linked to the

Prime Minister has started today at the Old Bailey. Now the three defendants, two Ukrainians and a Romanian, appeared in the... this morning and they are Roman Lavrinovich, a 22-year-old, Petro Potranok, who's 35, and the 27-year-old Stanislav Karpuik. Now, they have been charged with conspiring to commit arson and Roman Lavrinovich is also facing two further charges of committing arson with intent. to endanger lives. Now, all three defendants

deny all of the charges set against them. Now, listen to this. The prosecution here, opened by Duncan Atkinson Casey, went through the three arson attacks in turn, starting with a Toyota set ablaze in the early hours of the 8th of May, and then a residential property. on Ellington Street in Kentish Town on the 11th of May. And finally, the third arson attack, another residential property also in

Kentish Town on the 12th of May. They said it was immediately clear when the London Fire Brigade and the police attended the second of those arson attacks that had

been set on fire. purposely and that in both of the properties where fires had been started smoke and flames had entered the houses endangering the lives of those within them now the prosecution went through some of the data and information they had collected on the defendants to build the case including Telegram chats locations and images as well now there were discussions held between the defendants about these arson attacks and there was also a discovery on the

telegram end-to-end encrypted platform how does that work where the defendants were speaking with a russian-speaking telegram account called El Money. El Money? The jury were told not to consider any ideological or political motivation behind these arson attacks. Instead, stating that they were motivated by money, not by any political or ideological reasons. There you go. El Money is the Russian pimp. And Starmer Stiff the Rent Boys. So to speak. didn't pay him. So they decided to burn

it down. I think Galloway's onto something here. Maybe. Yeah. Then that would... Fall right in line with Mandelson Tricks. Because he's all about the Rent Boys. Everything is fishy. Everything is literally fake and gay at this point. It's amazing. So I have a Africa clip. Well, there goes the audience. Well, it leads to an Ask Adam. Oh, boy. Okay. Now the Africa clip is short. Well, it's not that short, but it's just Nigeria. Something's up with Nigeria. And I think if you read between the lines

on this Nigeria clip, this is just... Another attempt to... Get a stranglehold on the oil production of Nigeria. Nigeria, the United States. Big oil producing African nation. Yeah. Nigeria Vance, is that the one we're playing here? Yeah, that's the only one I got. Nigeria and the United States have agreed to deepen cooperation on security and counterterrorism following

high-level talks. in Washington. The renewed diplomatic push comes amid a surge in deadly attacks in Nigeria, particularly in Plateau and Benue states, where hundreds have been killed and communities displaced. Chris Iwoko reports from Abuja. A statement from Nigeria's presidency said that the National Security Advisor Nuhuri Badu met senior U.S. officials including the Vice President J.D. Vance and the Secretary of State Marco Rubio. Both sides agreed to

expand intelligence sharing, defense cooperation and regional security efforts. Discussions reportedly focused on counterterrorism and the deteriorating security situation in West Africa and the Sahel. where jihadists have been attacking in several countries. Nigeria had already committed to tackling terrorism and violent extremism in the fight against Boko Haram and the Islamic State West Africa province. Well, isn't this just about the mines, the gold, the minerals? I think that

and the oil. Is oil in West Africa? Africa? Is that in Nigeria? I believe there's oils in Nigeria. I think Nigeria is a major producer, if I'm not mistaken. Well, there's also, they're killing Christians! Yeah, that's all happening in Nigeria. Yeah, well, they didn't have that in the report. But what's interesting to me, this was a Vance and Rubio, which they usually kept apart. Hmm. Hmm. I

don't know what that's all about. It's a contest to see who can do better at Nigeria, and that will help determine who Trump is going to support for 2028. I think Trump's gonna stay out of it. Alright, Ask Adam, I'm ready for you. This is it, I'm gonna ask you before we play the clip, because it's in the... The answer's in the clip. Okay. Because I was kind of surprised by this myself. Okay. How many languages are spoken on the continent of Africa? Answer the question,

go! Uh, how ma- Now, first of all, Africa is big. It's big. It's big. There's a lot of tribes. So I'm going to go. I'm going to bet all of my money. in this round of... You're all in. I'm all in. I'm all in on this round of Jeopardy. I'm going to say... 537 languages on the continent of Africa. Or just play the clip. We did a series of children, child presenters, 14 of them from across Africa. And I'm blown away by how it's not just

the audience who related to these kids. It's how those kids... became fanatic conservationists because they were selected for their stage presence to be hosts of a TV show about wildlife. So I do think that local relevance and resonance with the people on the ground is very important and in a continent like Africa where we have over 2,000 languages we need... people to be telling the stories in all those languages and bringing in our cultural knowledge. Wow.

Well, luckily my fellow contestants were all like 20, 35, a bunch of losers. Over 2,000. That's not a tip of the day. That is our little factoid that people can now use to bet money. This is a money maker. Wow, over 2,000. Man. And do you think that the one tribe could understand the other one? I'm sure there's always some probably one guy, there's a polyglot in every group that can speak three or four of these languages. He's a superstar, you know. 2,000? 2,000? Over 2,000.

That's a lot. Yeah, I'd like to see a list. That's crazy. They probably can't even call them. They don't even have names. Hey, so since you brought up Rubio, well, we both brought up Rubio and Vance, and you think Trump's going to stay out of it. Very possible. Um, Got a couple clips about Tucker. Actually, one with Tucker. Oh, after I did all these Tucker things that you groused about. Yeah, but I'm bringing new stuff to the table. You know, you just bring an old hat.

Yes, I grossed about it. Did you say old hat? Old hat, yes, old hat. Oh, man. Another boomer adjacent term here on the No Agenda Show. He had Massey on. Again, Massey. uh to complain massie's under a under attack yes and uh and that's why he went on tucker um and so i have a short clip first of the it's the massey disappointment list but Trump's have changed dramatically. At least the disconnect between what he said he was going to do and what he's doing is

shocking. I, you know, when I endorsed him, I thought we wouldn't have a new war. I thought we would get warrants for FISA that they had used to spy on him. I thought that Maha would be front and center at the... at the HHS with Bobby Kennedy there. I thought that we would have sane foreign policy. I thought that where we put America first, that's my definition of sane. I thought we would end our involvement in the war in Ukraine. I thought we would release all

the Epstein files and indict some of those SOBs. um And those are all the things I'm still fighting for. Do you think Massey- They're so beast. Is he a little blinded by his hatred? Because- I mean, I see Maha doing something. I think Maha is doing all it can do. It's up against the most powerful forces in the universe, in the United States, the big pharma force that that owns the media. And are we still what is the expected to do? I mean, I'm super disappointed

they haven't, you know, just stopped TV advertising. That would make a difference. Yeah. But I mean, have we not? withdrawn from the Ukraine war? Have we not withdrawn from that? Well, we haven't withdrawn from it. I mean, we're not really in the Ukraine war. No, but he says, well, we should get out of the Ukraine war. We're not in it. We're selling stuff. I don't know. I think he's a little blinded by hatred. I don't think he's a hater. I think he's just like, he's an

ideologue. And he has his, you know, and he's... He's kind of a stick in the mud. So New York Magazine has a big thing going on about Tucker. New York Magazine. I'm telling you, Tucker is a... I said in the last show, and I had the clip of them, you know, trying to slam him. He is a, right now... uh a lightning rod and he's an op Here is the New York Mag dude talking on France 24, of all places, about this. Last month, Tucker Carlson.

and the influential far-right commentator said he regretted voting for Donald Trump. He made a comment on his podcast during a conversation with his brother Buckley, a former Trump speechwriter. You and me and millions of people like us are the reason this is happening right now. Yes. So... I do think it's like a moment. I love that right there. You and me and a bunch of other people is the reason this is happening right now. Do you think that Tucker is the reason this is happening? I'd

give Marjorie Taylor Greene more props than Tucker. And what's his face? Your boy. Yeah. Talking boy. Come on. Fuentes? Fuentes! I give him some credit. Well, he now came out and said he's a Democrat, which I'm not sure. Well, there's that. There's that. But I think, you know, for Tucker to spike it, you know, to toot his own horn here, like, oh, yeah, well, this is all because of us. Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Buckley? Can you get the yardage, please? Like us, for the

reason this is happening right now. Yes. Yes. So I do think it's like a moment to wrestle with our own consciences. You know, we'll be tormented by it for a long time. We did such a bad thing. And I want to say I'm sorry for misleading people. It was not intentional. Yes, because people vote based on what Tucker Carlson says. It was not intentional. I was too. I'm so sorry. Carlson has come full circle decades before

he became one of his strongest supporters. Carlson had called Trump, quote, the single most repulsive person on the planet. Now that is interesting. So in the 90s, he hated Trump. Then he loved Trump. Now he hates Trump. think this guy doesn't know anything. He just goes with whatever will get some clicks. or views or whatever. I think that that's been asserted. He made that comment in a 1999 post on the website Slate. That was just before

he became a CNN commentator. Carlson later worked at MSNBC. Both outlets that MAGA movement today considers as liberal fake news. It wasn't until... Carlson joined Fox that he found real notoriety on primetime of America's most watched news network. Carlson often went on vicious rants against women, immigrants, or people of color. For many liberals, charging racism has become an almost involuntary habit, a tick that is literally the definition of racism. These very same people are the quickest

to cry racism. Sarah Jong is an angry bigot. It's not about Brett Kavanaugh at this point. It's about punishing everyone who looks like Brett Kavanaugh. But let's get back to the race thing. Race, skin color, racial division, race and gender, skin color. Carlson was hyperbolic. Contrarian. I'm sorry? He calls it a vicious rant. Yeah, if you take it out of context. You could say more entertainer than

commentator. After all, Fox News once even won a court case by persuasively arguing that no reasonable viewer takes Tucker Carlson seriously. But today, reasonable legacy media take him very seriously. Huh? I didn't know that. What? That Fox won a court case and their legal argument that it was nobody takes Tucker seriously? Yes. Oh, I remember that. Absolutely. That's hilarious. He's a commentator. Oh, yeah. So here's the guy from the, he's the author of this piece in

the New Yorker. For more, we can speak to the New Yorkers, Jason Zengerle. He's also the author of Hated by All the Right People, Tucker Carlson and the Unraveling of the Conservative Mind. Jason, thank you for speaking to Scoop. First question, I guess. Could you foresee- Why are you O Brothering? This could be fun. You have no idea. No, it's just the guy. I mean- For one thing, If I'm not mistaken, New York Magazine was a Murdoch property for a long time. New York, this is

New Yorker. New Yorker. Oh, that's New Yorker? Yeah, I'm sorry. It's the New Yorker. Oh, that's a big difference. Yeah, I'm sorry. I said it wrong in the beginning. Yeah, isn't New Yorker part of the New York Times? No, no, not at all. New Yorker is a stick-up-its-ass operation that's been around forever. They're very serious about themselves. No, it's not a New York Times thing at all, a property at all. Well, then wait until you hear what he asks. to say. Traveling of the conservative mind.

Jason, thank you for speaking to Scoop. First question, I guess, could you foresee this happening, this falling out between Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson? Yeah, you could because it's not the first time this has happened. I mean, Tucker's relationship with Trump has been a bit of a roller coaster. or over the last three decades, as you pointed out, the degree to which the falling out has occurred and the severity with which Tucker is now denouncing Trump,

I think that's a little surprising. But the fact that they've fallen out, I mean, as recently as, you know, four years ago, they had fallen out. So that itself. isn't necessarily anything new. What do you think about this flurry of interest on both sides of the Atlantic about what Tucker Carlson thinks? I mean, with the BBC and The Economist, we're interviewing him before he had said he regretted voting for Trump. Should we be preparing for a

2028 presidential run by Tucker Carlson? It does seem like he's preparing for that. He seems to be setting himself up for something. And I think that, you know, explains some of the forcefulness of his denunciations of Trump. I mean, look, this has been obviously prompted by the war in Iran. And Tucker, there has been one sort of consistent thing with him over the past two decades, and

that is his opposition to America. American adventurism abroad and that was one of the reasons he was supporting Trump as he thought Trump was an America firster. So the fact that Trump has done this, you can see why Trump would be angry, or why Tucker would be angry, and you can see Tucker viewing this as possibly an opening for him to run in '28 and to inherit that mantle. of isolationism. Wow, New Yorker. It's bogus. You just said New Yorker take themselves very seriously. They do.

They take themselves very seriously. They write long. The magazine is designed for the... thoughtful individual who likes to read. The essays in there aren't short and sweet and to the point. They're They're more feature links. Well, they're not actually, they're pretty well written. The writing in the magazine is quite good. Or the editing, one of the two. So the stuff is good. They've kind of lost their edge with the cartoons, though. They used to have some

of the more... Oh, didn't they have the... The dog on the internet, Nobody Knows You're a Dog. Yeah, that's a classic. But they've always had these cartoon editors that were top notch. Didn't they fire those? guys and start using they lost they lost one of the cartoon editors that was one of the better arrogant character i guess he got on everybody's nerves and they put in some woke uh people to pick the cartoons and if you look at their cartoons they're mostly They're lame compared to

what they used to be 10 years ago. Well, so how about this then? Could they be? pushing Tucker Carlson to fracture the MAGA base and giving people some kind of false hope or throwing stirring the pot It could be. I mean, there's somebody, I mean, it's obvious that Tucker is part of it, along with Fuentes, who has this love-hate relationship with him and Fuentes. He goes on about how great Fuentes is in one minute, and then he says, I'm sorry I ever interviewed the guy in

another interview. I mean, Tucker's all over the map. The guy's like a drunk driver. The new Woker. Well, then this last clip may actually explain what's going on here. Megan Kelly, also a former Fox host, she says she's a close friend of Tucker Carlson. She said she thinks the reason why the New York Times interviewed him was because they hate Trump more than they hate Tucker. So they were eager to have that opportunity to get someone to bash Trump. I mean, what do you think about

these media? taking the decision to interview Tucker. Does that, do they have to stoop to their level or was it newsworthy? Because in this day and age, we're seeing influencers like Tucker Carlson have perhaps more reach than traditional media. Well, I think people have wanted to interview Tucker for a while. I think what's interesting is that Tucker is doing the interviews. I think, I don't think... I don't think Megyn Kelly should be questioning anybody's motives frankly.

But I think that Tucker... Slam! Look, there are a lot of people who have broken with Trump over the years, and there's always been this expectation that, oh, this is the moment that MAGA is going to fracture, and that doesn't happen. I think that's the same thing that's going to happen this time. I don't think this is going to fracture MAGA. He doesn't think so. So maybe they're not doing that. I don't know. I don't know, but they're taking him seriously for some reason. Oh, he's

got a... agent. Who? I don't know. A talent agent is getting him these. gigs. I have no idea. This whole thing is, it just seems so phony. All right. Sorry I brought it up. No, I'm glad you brought it up. I have a clip of... I kind of like to watch it myself. It's like watching a car wreck. I have a clip of Alan Dershowitz. There's another guy who, you know, before you play, let me play a couple of character assassination clips. Yeah. Because I've got,

Alan Dershowitz is on the list. Now, I know you're going to groan about this, but John Kiriakou. Hey, you've had plenty to groan about, Mike. clips today so you're good you have free reign this guy he has I mean I'm going to start collecting his character assassination clips because And he's got Dershowitz in there coming up. That's coming up. I've got two today. I've got one on Newsome. Explain who Kiriakou is. Just explain who Kiriakou is.

Kiriakou. Okay, Kiriakou. who is a whistleblower. At the CIA, he was both an analyst and became a field agent. So he has a broad spectrum of experience with the agency. And he refused to get involved with the torture program. And he was the only one who didn't want to take part. the training or do anything else. And he thought it was illegal and he blew the whistle. He says in hindsight, what he should have done was have a lawyer with him from the get-go because he

was kind of naive about blowing the whistle. And just to explain, this is the Abu Ghraib prison torture. Yeah. And so he blew the whistle and got thrown in jail for two years. under some charged espionage act or some bullshit and he's very pissed off about that but Now he's got a talent agent and he's all over the place and he's on a lot of podcasts and a couple of favorites he likes to do. Does he have a book? And he talks too much. Does he have a book? How does he make money? Oh, he's

got, I think, three books. Oh, okay. He's got a bunch of books. But he likes to talk and he likes the character assassination. Here he is on Newsom. Gavin Newsom was a member of the San Francisco City Council. Then he was... the chairman of the city council, then he was the mayor of San Francisco, then the lieutenant governor of California, then the governor of California. Okay? So he's... This is a very well thought out plan to

move higher, higher, higher and become president. When he was running for governor of California, he asked his lifelong best. friend who was also his campaign manager to represent him at a political function. The man did. It wasn't because Newsom was busy. It was because Newsom was having an affair with his best friend's wife. And they got caught. What kind of person is that? If your best friend and your own wife can't trust you, why am I supposed to trust you? Are you going to screw me

behind your back as an American taxpayer? So I don't like or trust Gavin Newsom at all. Where was this interview from? I think he's got this one guy he loves to interview with. I can't remember his name. He's a podcast, very slick video podcast, very YouTuber. It's well produced. It's got a lot of bouquet in the shots. The sound is dynamite. Bouquet? Yeah, a bouquet is where you have the person in front is in high focus and the background is blurry. Oh, beautiful. Yes, beautiful. That's

hard to do. Yeah, what you need is you need certain kinds of lenses to make that look good. Yeah, yeah, you do. And it's just too, I mean, the podcast is super slick. Anyway, so here he is talking about CIA directors that he hates. And he's got both Gina Haskell and Mike Pompeo and here's what he says. He made a mistake twice in his first term appointing very, very bad people. CIA director. Very bad. Like, Mike

Pompeo? Oh my god. The only person less popular than Mike Pompeo at the CIA was Mrs. Mike Pompeo, let me tell you. I got that from one of his bodyguards. And then Gina Haskell? Wait, wait, wait, why? Why? You! Go get my dry cleaning. You! Go walk my dog. They're like, lady, we don't work for you. We're protecting your husband. We're not going to go get your dry cleaning and walk your dog. The other one was Bloody Gina Haspel. We called her Bloody Gina for a

good reason. And that's the person that you appoint to the CIA directorship. Why do you call her Bloody Gina? Because she flew out to the secret site to sit in. on one of the torture sessions just because she could. just to sit there and enjoy it and take it all in. What kind of sick person does something like that? He's probably right. I believe that. Yeah. Yeah, we knew that she was called Bloody Gina. heard about that. Yeah. Okay, so you think Dershowitz, he's going to

assassinate Dershowitz? Dershowitz is coming up, yeah. He doesn't like Dershowitz. He doesn't like anybody. He thinks that Rudy Giuliani should be in jail. He's dying. He's dying. He's not going to make it to jail. I agree. So Dershowitz. He's kind of on board with our theory about Epstein. which you might want to reiterate. Yeah, he was a pimp. Literally. uh running a whorehouse in New York, a big one for the elites at the high prices. And

the island never really came into play. he would procure. And he would procure underage, but it's also, I think he'd probably, I think he also procured gays. Yeah, there's no talk of that anywhere. No, it is starting to show up. Oh, okay. So Dershowitz takes. And this has always been my thing. What are these victims? I'd like to, you know, the first lady said, hey, why don't y'all go on the record? Victims, tell us your story. Victims on the congressional record. So, you know, you can

talk freely there. Your NDAs don't count. It's okay. I don't. think any any Any hearings have been scheduled? I don't think anyone jumped up and down to get that going. And Dershowitz has his thoughts about the victims. He was not a pedophile. I have no information about any pedophiles in the Epstein circle. A pedophile... medically as somebody who is interested in prepubescent people, prepubescent people, 10, 11, 12. That was not his modus operandi. He was interested

in 16-year-olds, 17, 18-year-olds. That's a terrible thing. By the way, it's legal in France. It's legal in many parts of Europe. It's hard to say you're a pedophile in America, but not in France. Pedophile is not a legal term. It's a medical psychological term. So I don't think there's a real case for people being called pedophiles, although everybody calls them a pedophile. I also don't believe there was any trafficking going on. What happened is he made

it known to. Young people in Palm Beach, if you come and give me a massage, you get $250. And many of them came back over and over and over again, collected the $250, and then got $500 if they recruited other people to come and give him more massages. And then there was this third category, a very large category. of women who never met Jeffrey Epp- never laid eyes on him and their corrupt lawyers in Palm Beach would go to them and say How old are you?

Oh, you were about that age when Epstein... Why don't you just say you gave Epstein a massage? We'll collect $50,000 for you. And they did. Right. So I would love to see a thorough investigation. of every single claimed survivor and victim and find out how many there really were. There were plenty. Yeah, you know, no one's ever going to buy into our theory. They are so convinced that there's people eating babies on the island. Eating babies.

Eating babies. And Trump played into that himself in many ways. And Q, there's a lot of Q stuff. And then children being shipped in Wayfair boxes. We've seen it all. But in this case, I think Dershowitz is on the right track. That sounds right to me. Yeah, but it's not going to help. Now, we got also another thing that broke this week's UFO files. I got two clips. Yeah, I got a couple things on that, too. Let's see. UFO files. All right, here we go. Back

here at home to the Pentagon, releasing UFO files. The Trump administration releasing never before. seen images of unexplained objects in the sky collected by the U.S. government dating all the way back to the 1940s. Here's Tom Costello with those images. Tonight, more mysterious images just revealed. 160 government files detailing 400 alleged UFO encounters, including this. infrared military video from 2013 of what appears to be an eight-pointed

star streaking across the sky. Mysterious white and black aerial blips that defy the laws of physics. More grainy still images of the unexplained, and this image taken from the moon by the Apollo 17 astronauts. of what appears to be lights hovering overhead. The astronauts later suggested it could have been ice crystals. Today, President Trump posted, with these new documents and videos, the people can decide for themselves. But there are no reports of aliens or spacecraft in

government custody. Yeah, I saw the website. It's lame. There's nothing new there. It's lame. It is lame. Did you see it? Did you look at the website? Black and white. Black and white all like the X-Files. The best thing I've seen recently in terms of grainy black and white stuff is the... WikiLeaks moon outtakes. Have you seen this? Moon outtakes? What is this? Outtakes. WikiLeaks have found a file of the moon landing that you're always saying

is a fake. Yes. outtakes showing it was being filmed as it was being filmed in the arizona or the now i'm sorry the Nevada desert. Okay. And they have the same guys that got Neil Armstrong and they got the whole thing. It's like very, right up your alley. I'm surprised you didn't see it. I may have seen it, but there's so much. No, no, you would have remembered it. Believe me, it's long. Okay, I have to look for that. But it's like, yeah. You know, everything

on the internet is AI. Who knows? I don't know. I don't know anymore. We absolutely can't. Yeah, well, I think that's a good point. Here's UFO files too. Many leading astrophysicists remain skeptical. Just because you see something and you don't know what it is. You kid. Oh, is this Neil deGrasse Tyson? Tyson? Yeah, duh. Oh, man, that guy. Oh, you know, I am the stargazer. Do something and you don't know what it is. You can't then

say... It must be aliens visiting from outer space. The documents date back to the 1940s, including an FBI report from an Air Force colonel reporting a... flying disc. More recent reports from fighter pilots, this diagram from people who claim they witnessed a cigar-shaped object, and a 2023 video of three concentric circles flying in unison. I have not seen anything to suggest that we've been visited by any intelligent life forms out there. But the universe... is massive,

at least two trillion galaxies and trillions more planets. Given the vastness of the universe, it's really hard to imagine that life, and even intelligent life, hasn't formed somewhere. It's hard to imagine that anybody is visiting us or continually visiting us. And Tom, tonight there is a pattern, though a lot of these images... coming from military pilots that

are near or around military facilities or ships. Yeah, and that raises concern that some of these unexplained aerial phenomenon could include technology that America's adversaries here on Earth possess, but we don't, Tom. This is a continuous thing that I hear in all of these reports. It might be UFOs, but it could also be some great technology, military technology from other people, other countries that we don't possess.

And, you know, I'm thinking we need to have about half a trillion dollars extra for the budget next year. Yeah, yeah. Yep. So we'll probably get everybody all kind of, every report has that, every single one. It could also, I mean, it could be UFOs, but it could also be some Chinese technology. And if you really... Yeah, sure. The Chinese have to still copy our jets. They have to find a jet and then make a phony baloney copy of it. Wait a minute. Because they can't

dream up... anything by themselves. I mean, not that they can't, but they haven't been able, they haven't done it. It could be Russian technology, but are you saying... Yeah, the Russians do the same thing. Are you saying the UFOs are real? No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying what you're saying. What I'm doing is commenting on your comment about this. being something of a scam just to get more money for the budget. I'm in a roundabout

way agreeing with you. Okay, good. By saying the Russians and the Chinese, they're not, they don't have flying saucers. So what we always do with our Department of War or... formerly known as the artist formerly known as Department of Defense. We bring in our Hollywood guys. Remember the timeline. June 12th is not that far away. People coming to IMAX. I've always been fascinated with things that cannot be explained. What is it? You won't believe me if

I told you. So I'm going to show you. I've made a lot of movies about things that cannot be explained, from sharks to saucers. Do you think there could be others? When I was just a little kid, I remember developing a real curiosity about the sky at night and what's happening up there. People have a right to know the truth. And also, not the possibility, but the guarantee that there is life off this planet. Don't turn

me on now. People's questions about what is not only going on in our skies, but what is going on in our worlds, in our realities, has reached a critical mass. They're coming! complete fascination with are we alone or are we not alone? Starved for the truth. And if someone knows we're not alone, why haven't we been told? Full disclosure, to the whole world, all at once. Full disclosure all at once. This is the entire script in movie form. Yeah, we got some guys. Full disclosure. Disclosure

Day, coming from Universal Pictures. Yeah, the old movie gambit. It's so obvious. Now... We've got two guys out there. We've got Senator Burleson, who I think is from Missouri. We've got Senator... Burchett from Tennessee. I think it's Burchard. I think he was on some show. He basically lives in his car. What? I didn't hear this. He lives in his car? Yeah, he's talking about how he can't get a place in D.C. So he's got a bed in his office that he sleeps in. and then he

goes to the gym to shower. Well, he was on Joe Rogan. And Joe is a big UFO guy. I hope Joe gave him a place to shower, maybe gave him a room to stay. You have no knowledge of what's supposed to be released because today is Wednesday. I'm going to know tomorrow at 3. Tomorrow at 3 p.m., is that when the world knows? No, I think they're going to ask me, just give me a little bit of it. But I got a feeling they're not going to tell me much. I got a feeling they're not

going to tell America that much. When is it supposed to be disclosed this week? Whatever they're going to disclose? I don't know. I don't know. If they're going to disclose it to us, then it'll be out. right as soon as they hang up the phone with some guys. So, okay, we know what the disclosure was. It was a dumb website. There wasn't anything exciting or new that I could tell. But Burchett, oh, he's got some stories.

He's got some good stories. No, but it's interesting. I had that deep throat moment, you know, not the porn version. The Richard Nixon moment, you know, where I was walking in the tunnel one day and a person came up to me. And it's always a friend. It's always a friend that does this and said, it was just the strangest conversation. And I'll never forget it because he said, Birchett, he said, You know, you're really pushing on this UFO thing. And I go, yeah. Yeah, I am,

he said. do you really think we need to do this? And I just kept listening. When I was a young man, I'd run my mouth and said, oh, shut up. But I listened to what he said. He said, I mean, you know, this could upset the religious community and all this other, I mean, some of this stuff's just left unknown, you know? And I said, no, it's not. The government has no right to decide what I can and cannot understand or handle or see. And to me, and every time, Joe. Let me tell you what

they're going to do. I had a two-page bill for disclosure. And Chuck Schumer had one that was 60 pages, I believe. And he modeled his after the Kennedy assassination committee release, which we're over 60 years into that, and we still don't, they haven't released everything on President Kennedy getting shot. And that's what they wanted to model this dadgum thing after. Mine was two pages long. Of course, mine didn't get anywhere. Dadgum. Dadgum. Dadgum. I love dadgum.

Dadgum. So we heard in there. is uh how this could upset the religious community well it did This was a crazy story. Two stories broke today and they are collided in a way nobody expected. A pastor in Alabama issued a public apology to a sitting member of Congress over the viral UFO clip. And on the same news cycle, former President Barack Obama went on national television and told the country flat out that the disclosure everyone is

waiting for isn't coming. Hey, you Follagers, I'm Christina Gomez, and welcome to this episode of UFO News Updates. Larry Ragland, a senior pastor of the Solid Rock Church in Birmingham, Alabama, claimed in a video that a very well-known congressman from Missouri called into a private meeting with pastors and warned them that the U.S. government is preparing to tell the public that aliens seeded humanity and that there is no God and that Jesus and the Bible were

both inventions of these beings. The clip identified the congressman as Eric Burleson. who sits on the White House Oversight Subcommittee investigating UAP, and the clip went everywhere. This was fantastic. So there's all these YouTube pastors, and they're all about end times, and this is it. Look at what's happening. It's Iran. It's all going down now, people. Jesus is on his way. Here's the clip. that this guy

put out. sitting congressman, a very well-known congressman from Missouri, he called into that meeting as well that was just for pastors, and this is what he said. On speakerphone, this sitting, powerful member of Congress said, are the pastors listening to me? I'm getting chills right now because this happened. Wait, hold on. Nobody recorded this? It was on speaker? No, no, no, of course not. This was an intelligence briefing. You can't record that. No, no, no, no.

You can't speak or you can. But no one did. No one did. These pastors were on the honor system. Pastors in the room listening to me. And I said, yes, sir, we are here. And he said, listen to

me. go and tell the church they are not ready for what is coming the narrative that is coming what they are going to say is going to be like nothing you can even imagine they are preparing to tell us that they are from another dimension that they are our creator and that these beings these aliens, whatever you want to call them, they were the ones that seated us here. There is no such thing as God. Jesus

was invented by them. The Bible was invented by them and begin to just say, listen, prepare the people for what is coming because they're not ready. So... So Joe brings this up, but here's what was interesting. There were... two briefings. And I heard about one of them. Because it took place during NRB. By the way, take clip of the day for that last clip. Oh, it's so soon already. Okay. Sorry. I'll take it. Thank you. And

it gets. followed by my getting to say oh brother no you can you but this is good This is really because Burleson did talk to the pastors. This guy, this... Larry Ragland, he had to issue an apology. He said, oh, you know, he didn't really say that. that all this was coming, that the aliens had created the Bible and made up the whole story about God. That was my editorial. I should have made it clear that that wasn't what the senator said. But it was Burleson

who spoke to those pastors in Missouri. And Burchett, he spoke to pastors. During NRB, I heard someone mention something, oh, there's some off-site at an Airbnb, and there's some senator calling in. And it did happen. That was Berkshire. Burleson was the other one, and here's where Joe brings it up to Burchett, and Burchett's like, eh, because already... People are only talking about Burleson. They're not talking about Burchard. But he did it too. Yeah, the pastor's thing

that I sent you, Jamie. It's bonkers. I don't buy that. So this is a guy. It says his name is Alan Dido. It's weird. This was a whole different YouTube pastor, not the original guy. Capital D, lowercase I, capital D, lowercase I, O. Didio. Didio? After sitting in a private meeting with pastors and those connected to these investigations, the message was clear. UFO and UAP disclosure is coming. Pastors must prepare their people now. Silence is not

an option. Well, what does that mean? Like, what are they preparing the people for? Like, why would they bring in... Urban pastors I've never heard of. You think it's BS? I do. I think it is. I think if he'd have brought anybody in, he'd have brought Franklin Graham in. Is this gentleman a pastor himself? Click on his... Yeah, well, I mean, he also has a show, which is... Of course he does. Of course he does. Oh, so his show is about disclosure? The Revival Nation Church

or something. No, no, I don't know that. This is just what these clips are coming around. Can you click on his bio, please? Like what it clicks, what it says? equipping end time believers for the next great awakening oh boy I would warn people that think we're in the end times. The Bible is pretty clear about that. It says that they don't even, the angels in heaven

don't even know when the end's coming. I'll spare you the long clip where it turns out that indeed both these guys spoke to a group of pastors, one in Missouri, one in Tennessee. and he's really oh that's bullcrap he did it it was definitely birch it And I think that these guys are, I don't know about Burleson. He may be a little bit deeper into the, we've got to get everybody on board because this is fun

and we can get more money for the military. Birchit is probably just a true believer who sleeps in his office in his car. I don't know, but he definitely did that. And now you bring in these idiots, whoever invited the pastors, I'm sorry to say it, but the YouTube pastors, the end time pastors, they're out of control. They just talk all kinds of crap and then they scare people. And, you know, we did a survey at our church. Like, what would you like to hear Pastor

Jimmy preach about? Number three on the list, end times. Because everybody's watching this. It's nuts. But of course, if you follow the no agenda logic, of military. There's always this thing lurking in the shadows which we've been talking about for almost two decades. Project Bluebeam. is going to be used not as a replacement for real actions. It's going to be used the way that Hollywood uses CGI.

And it's possible there's going to be involvement from Hollywood in this as well, where they're going to be using holograms. in order to do what Hollywood calls sweetening of these false flags. And so in other words, they can actually have, when we have, for instance, fake alien invasion. where we will have the cabals send all of these tic-tacs against a city, against one of our major cities. to actually destroy it and to make it basically to

wreak havoc upon one of our cities. That's always lurking in the shadows. Project Bluebeam. It fits. It fits. If you want to talk conspiracy, second half of show, Project Bluebeam fits like a T to this. And I don't know if Trump knows about this. He's like, "Oh, if you guys want to disclose something, all right, we'll put it out, whatever." whatever we got, some TikTok videos. I don't know. Yeah, well... That went nowhere. Yeah, it did. It went... I took it right to... Project Bluebeam. What

are you talking about? It's perfect. I rounded it out. I could do the thing about the guy who wrote the book and got killed, but I didn't want to bore you with that. Yeah, I remember the guy who wrote the book. Did you know the guy who wrote the book? No, I never met the guy who wrote the book. Serge Monsaert? But you know, the funny thing is... You know, they talk about, well, the CIA didn't contribute to this. The CIA has a database that you can look stuff up in. I talked about this five

years ago. You can look up UFOs in the CIA database, and there's a bunch of screwball stories in there. It's about the guy in the farm that he found the alien spacecraft and he tried to move and he was frozen because of some mental trick they were playing on him. It's all in the CIA files. A whole bunch of these crazy stories and these never come to the fore. It's very weird. Only the good ones that they're really working on like Project Bluebeam. Maybe. Would you

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