1724 - "Boomer Mode"

Buzzkill. In the morning, yeah, baby, 805. In Amsterdam, the Netherlands, going to midnight, one more time starts right? Yeah, the show starts late here. I'm always amazed at how many Dutch people are listening. What do you got something better to do on your Thursday night? Seriously, what is there to do on Thursday night, really? Here, nothing. It is. We're in the middle of the car wash. It's gray outside.

It's just gray and rainy and wet. It's gray and rainy here too, but it's not rainy, it's just wet, yeah, it's more like England. It's just there's no rhythms in your rain. But every why is that everything wet? How did that happen? I don't know. Hey, Merry Christmas. So this is the day after Christmas. Boxing Day. Yeah, Boxing Day. You know, it took me probably 20 years, 30 years, to figure out that it wasn't a kangaroo thing. No, I thought, no, no, I never thought it was a kangaroo thing.

I thought it had to do with some, you know, Muhammad Ali or something, although there's going to be a big boxing match, sure, there was a big match or something. And then it was, I think I was in England when it when I now Wasn't there a big Netflix football streaming extravaganza this year at Christmas? Was this something that was new that I was reading about? Where was it always on Netflix streaming? Oh, yeah, and Beyonce. Because I looked on the channels, I knew there was some

football games on, but I forgot it was on Netflix. I'm not gonna go there, yeah. Beyonce was did a whole 15 minute halftime show. Beyonce, the cowgirl, must have crashed a few times. No, no. Apparently it went well. Everything went well, yeah, good for them, yeah. So you didn't probably have the audience that Jake Paul could draw. I haven't looked at the numbers, actually we sell. So I do have one clip to play off the bat, which is, which is the I want to ask about your Christmas

this will, this is, go right into it. Okay, all right. This is the talk clip. This is the Happy Holidays clip, starting with talk clip right off the bat. Oh, hey, all my clips are talk clips. This is hurting the show. Wishing people a merry Christmas when you don't know what holiday they celebrate is sort of like wishing someone a happy birthday when you don't know when their birthday is. Like, yeah, I get the sentiment,

but you're a little off. That's neither here or there, but I get a kick out of the people who insist on saying Merry Christmas instead of just saying Happy holidays. Happy holidays, everybody. We're back to this again. We still haven't figured this one out. We can't say Merry Christmas. But here's the question on my mind, when it's Fourth of July, that's a holiday? Yes, do we say happy holidays? No, we say Happy Fourth of July or Happy Independence Day?

It's Veterans Day, yeah, but it's day off, but hold on a second this year. Now I saw your newsletter. You know, we still celebrate important things like Kwanzaa and Festivus and Kwanzaa is not a holiday, and Hanukkah started on this Hanukkah is not a holiday. There's no you don't take there's no federal time off for Hanukkah. There's no federal time off for Kwanzaa. I see what you're getting at. You're getting at the holiday part.

So what? So if you say Happy Holiday, like say yesterday or today, what are you referring to? Why don't you enlighten me? I mean referring to Christmas, yes. So why don't you say Merry Christmas or Happy Christmas? Because it's Christmas we're talking about here. Because when new year comes, that's another holiday. You don't say happy, you don't say hey, you say Happy New Year. Say Happy holidays during New Year. Why is it only Christmas? You know that this issue comes up because there's a

hatred of Christians. Yeah, only possible explanation, it's it's part of dei it's part of inclusivity that you don't want to skip. I understand your point. It's well made. It's ridiculous, obviously. But everyone said when it was July the fourth, and everyone said, Happy Holiday then, and if it's Veterans Day, everyone said if people said it consistently around all year.

Integration simply doesn't work, and nowadays, more or less every country realizes that, and I really not least warm thanks to you, Georgia for emphasizing this every meeting since you took office. I think this growing consensus also is important and should be leveraged now we need to act Foster and we need to go further. Concrete measures from the European Commission is now required discussion with on the line the other day as well, on this specific matter.

Finally, it really doesn't matter whether you reside in the north or in the south of Europe, illegal migration is a shared challenge. The precondition for open internal borders is controlled external borders, it is as simply as that and as difficult, honestly as that. So it's extremely valuable to come together like this and explore how to show leadership in areas where we all have unique roles

to play. So once again, thank you so much. Petra, yeah, 20 years of letting people in, now they're like, you know, it's clear that this was not really working. What a bunch of dips, yeah. And you know, Germany has closed their internal borders like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You have to show your passport now, which was the whole point? Well, one of the major selling points of the European Union, oh, we all have the same money.

That's great. It's really interesting how the Italians are very, very clued into the politics of everything they you know, they're one of the countries that got screwed the most by the euro. No kidding, no kidding. And they all know what Trump is doing, I'm telling you. They're like, Oh, Panama Canal land, that laugh. And they think it's funny. Oh, Greenland. Oh, they think it's funny. This great Canada, Canada. I had to explain Governor Trudeau to them,

though, didn't, didn't quite understand that one. But when they, when I explained it, they're like, Oh, this is good. Here's, I think this is a France 24 deutscheville, a clip of the latest president elect Trump antics. It's his first major rally since his election victory. Donald Trump addresses a crowd of young conservative Republicans at a conference in Phoenix, Arizona. During his 90 minute Address, the President

Elect was quick to announce his plans for his second term. He spoke on immigration and the border, reiterating his will to crack down on illegal immigrants by signing a number of executive orders on his first day in office, we will stop illegal immigration. Every foreign gang member will be expelled, and I will immediately designate the cartels as foreign terrorists

organizations. Do it immediately. Throughout his election campaign, Donald Trump had attacked and demeaned transgender people and their defenders as part of his culture war against wokeism. Back in November, the Republican dominated US Congress tried to block access to women's toilets for Sarah McBride, the first transgender woman elected to the House with a stroke of my pen on day one, we're going to stop the

transgender lunacy. Can I sign executive orders to end child sexual mutilation, get transgender out of the military and out of our elementary schools and middle schools and high school under the Trump administration, it will be the official policy of the United States government that there are only two genders male.

Donald Trump also mentioned ending the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East, without going into detail, Before criticizing the state of Panama and threatening to take control of the Panama Canal because of what he says are exorbitant tolls on US ships. It's really just the fact that he's saying these things that people like someone because they want to say, they want their leaders here to say, this is nonsense with these illegal immigrants. Get them out. That's what they want to

hear. They want to hear it from their own leaders, elected elected leaders. Well, the leaders are kind of hamstrung by the politics of the day and the and the kind of globalist agenda, yeah, which makes it so if you say something that you know, like that, then you're always now, you're a nationalist creep. You're far right. You're far right, far right. It's really the Panama Canal thing that I have some boots on the ground from some of our producers. The Panama Canal thing is interesting.

And I'm, I haven't quite, I don't know if I've decided yet what exactly he's trying to do with this. It's Greenland is, is obvious. We got a Space Force base there. We've got nuclear weapons there. I mean, Greenland. The only what the population of Greenland is, I think 60,000 people. It's not much. Nobody lives there, you know. And now, oh, by. The way, they just decided they're gonna up their their military spending to 1.5 billion euros. So that's in the pocket.

That's for us, and I can't so I kind of understand. I mean, we're not gonna, we're not gonna steal Greenland. I presume. It's not for sale. I think we're gonna buy Greenland. You really think so. Yeah, it's not for sale. The Price Is Right. Everything's for sale. We've done this before. I've said that we I talked about this in the Horowitz show. We have bought

plenty of stuff this country. We bought Louisiana purchase from the French we bought Alaska and most of Cal Much, much of California from the Russians. Yeah, we've bought land here and there. We do that. We've done that. It's not like a big shocker. What's the best price? I think it's, I think, I think they've been talking about a trillion and a half. Oh, what a steal. Well, it's not cheap. But they think that there may be, the real kicker here is there may be minerals,

because the volcanic activity there they volcanic. Green was not that volcanic. That's Iceland. Iceland, wrong. I'm seeing a different country. Greenland. That's right. Greenland is the one filled with ice and Iceland is the one that's green. Yeah, that's exactly, that's my little that's my little donkeys. Well, that was, that was supposedly, I think it was Eric the red, or Leif Ericsson, one of the two promoted that concept back home, so no one would come.

So when they moved, they MO That, you know, the Vikings all moved to Iceland, and so they called it Iceland don't come to tell people not to come. Was like, supposedly, that's, that's the folklore that makes sense. Yeah, unlike us, hey, land of the home free of the land of the free, home of the brave, come on in. Bringing, bring your bring your crippled it's all good. Your huddled masses moved to the Midwest. Yeah, here's, here's the here's the Deutsche Bella report on on Panama, and then I

want to discuss it. It's less than a month until he's back at the White House. President Elect Donald Trump is showing this guy is great, by the way, he needs a mustache. And what his approach to international trade like Addressing his supporters at the rally in Arizona. He accused the Central American state of Panama of overcharging us vessels for passing through the Panama Canal. This complete rip off of our country will immediately stop. It's going to stop.

The United States has a big invested interest in the secure, efficient and reliable operation of the Panama Canal. The US helped finance and construct the canal 110 years ago, and finally handed over control of the passage to Panama in 1999 passing through the Panama Canal significantly reduces maritime travel time by connecting the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, enabling more efficient global trade, the President Elect fears other countries could gain too much influence on the canal.

When President Jimmy Carter foolishly gave it away, gave it away for $1 $1 $1 during his term in office, it was solely for Panama to manage. And did I hear someone booing Jimmy Carter in that audience as an old person there, Jimmy Carter foolishly gave it away. Gave it away for $1 $1 during his term in office. It was solely for Panama to manage,

and not for China or any other country to manage. You see what's going on there China principles, both moral and legal, of this magnanimous gesture of giving are not followed, and we will demand that the Panama Canal be returned to the United States of America. Panama's President Joseph Molina rejects that China has any say in the management of the canal, and insisted everyone

has equal treatment. The canal is not controlled directly or indirectly by China, European community, the United States or any other power. The canal will continue to be in Panamanian hands as the patrimony of our nation and guaranteeing its use for the peaceful and uninterrupted transit of ships of all nations, while Trump has yet to clarify how he plans to enforce his threats, the world may have caught a glimpse of

what to expect from his second presidency. So the Panamanian producers have checked in, and they say the Panamanians are pissed about this. They there's they say there's no evidence of Chinese running the port. And even worse, President Molina wasn't invited to the inauguration, which that's, that's quite the slam. And he says, Well, I'm just going to go to the World Economic Forum to get investment. So he's choosing the globalists. Clearly. Really,

I find this an odd move, other than China. Just make it sound like China is, Well, my understanding from the reports that are over here is that they're overcharging us, and they're giving China a sweet deal to go through the canal. Yeah. So the Panamanians, the whole thing, the Panamanians say that's not true, but I have no but I have no paperwork, so I don't know, but I don't know. It feels more like, don't we just want to

screw china? Isn't this all about China? Ultimately, isn't that our big new, our big new evil foe was supposed to be China, China, China, China. Well, you're the one that has the thesis about the boats. Yeah, that ships. It's not boats. It's big, beautiful ships and submarines. They go deeper than boats, boats, lots of boats. China's asshole. China, by the way, I missed this in the international news. I did catch it on Reuters.

Chinese authorities have agreed to issue 3 trillion yuan, that's over $400 billion worth of special treasury bonds next

year, it would be the highest number on record. As Beijing ramps up its fiscal stimulus to revive a faltering economy, China is trying to soften the blow from an expected increase in US tariffs on Chinese imports when Donald Trump returns to the White House in January, the move underscores Beijing's willingness to go even deeper into debt to counter deflationary forces in the world's second largest economy. You guys talk about that on DH, unplugged, by any chance.

Deflationary, no, not that specific thing, no. Deflationary. You know that everyone's fearful of that. Who, who's deflationary? Well, that's what he said in the report. I never heard that they said they're trying to counter deflationary forces, which means that to counter, to summarize, to counter the tariffs, they'd have to lower their prices at their end, which is deflationary, and this hurts the economy. And you never want that anyway, because things start

getting cheaper and cheaper, right? Um, so, which kind of counters the argument that, well, the problem with tariffs is going to gouge the American public, because we end up having to pay for them. But if it's, it creates a deflationary force in China. That's not, obviously not true, no. But also, what is this crap we're all buying? Well, that's a different story. That's a whole different angle.

Why do we need all this crap? I mean, you literally, you walk into a store, go to Jo Ann's Hobby Lobby lobby, these places, and just take a look at what's what's in there. My God, well, it's not just there. I mean, you go into bird houses, you go into a store in Florence, except for the high high end. It's all crap. It's all from China. Oh, same Yeah. Last time I when I was in Spain, that last trip where I had my bars pick pocketed, yeah, I was shopping.

It went I was at a flea market. Now people were bitching that everything is all bull crap, all the hand made linens and stuff that people have made is all from China. The whole thing is a fraud. So one of my brother in law's buddies who was there, Roberto, so he is a an old school leather cutter. He cuts, uh, bags for Dolce Gabbana, and, you know, the high end brands. He says the whole industry has been destroyed. He says they came in, the Chinese came in. They took over all of the all.

Basically, they're now sweat shops. They do laser cutting of the of the leather. They work 80 hours a week for half the pay. And then he always, it always ends up and they brought us COVID. It always ends with that. I mean, they just, well, that's actually true. Yeah, it's destroyed a lot, though, the northern Italian area was COVID infested from the Chinese. But I guess the problem is we can't if we stop buying the crap. I mean, that's what our economy runs on,

right? If we stop buying the Chinese crap, then our economy falls apart, because we're we're living on Chinese crap. I see no evidence to the contrary. That's pretty sad state of affairs. It's just crap. Well, they, they, well, it's not really necessarily crap, per se. Yeah, it is. I mean, they also make Nikon cameras for the Japanese, and that's not crap. They also, they do a lot of quality product. Their BYD cars are quite good. They're half the price of a

Tesla. We can't have that. We can't have that running around our everything they do is not necessarily as crap as it is cheap. It's cheap crap. And they never did the thing that I've tried to understand and I never fully did, is it because they don't this goes way be before communism.

This, the story goes back about the silk trade. And this is back in the God knows when era when the Japanese had a had a monopoly on world silk trade, because they had these silk worms that they had bred, and then no one else had them, and so they couldn't make silk. And so they were making there. They

had a monopoly on silicon. So the Chinese somehow got a couple of worms, and the next thing you know, the Chinese are making all the silk, yeah, and they were making more silk than the Japanese, and then they flooded the market with silicon, wiped out the Japanese silk market, but never turn it, but it then they had a monopoly. But as a monopoly, they never gouged anybody. They don't know that part of it, no, they just kept selling cheap silk.

Well, I think this is all part of a much larger strategy. Is to make China. China just has to be the bad guy in everything, you know. And I'm confident president, when he's president again, Trump will bring back the China gave us COVID. It's going to be, it's going to be all anti China all day long, the DJI drones. That's also an anti China thing. Tick tock, China. And now this report this morning, an appliance known for

frying might actually be spying. Experts say certain air fryers and other app connected appliances are harvesting users data, taking information like, Are you male or female? They are taking your location. They're checking to see where you are. Concerns about data harvesting aren't new, but air fryers are feeling the heat after a recent report from a consumer watchdog group, they claim popular friars from I go star and show me are not only sharing data with companies like Facebook and

Tiktok, but also storing users data on Chinese servers. Some experts are even speculating the devices are recording conversations. Yeah, the Chinese companies, when you load in their application, they're effectively asking for access to

your microphone. Now they've produced a few excuses as to why they're asking for this information, but it's very, very suspect I go star did not comment on that consumer report and show me denied selling personal information to third parties or that their air fryer recorded audio writing, respecting user privacy has always been among show me core

values. So how can consumers protect their data when buying a connected device, experts say, do your research on a company's data collection practices, read reviews, and when downloading an app to control the device, limit as many permissions you give as possible. That may ask you for access to contacts and may ask

you access to your location. It might ask you to access the microphone, and you can say no no and double no when in doubt that doesn't connect to the internet or your phone, consumers should demand better privacy protections from manufacturers and regulators and until that those are in place, really, the safest bet is to stay informed, minimize your exposure and push back against unnecessary data collection. Yeah, no one's gonna do that. Wait a minute. Let's back up on

this story. What are they talking about? The air fryer doesn't have a microphone. They know the app. The app has a demands. Hold on a second. What do you need? An all by the way, all apps are this way. This has been well documented by me and others the whole every time you load any app, they want your contact list, they want everything. Yeah, it's just routine. You take it or leave it. You use. Want to use the app you use. Got to give us all

this. You use apps your phone. You don't use your phone. I know. I know how to I know how to use apps. My phone's in a drawer, yes, which is what it has apps on it? Yeah. And anyway, and they're listening to this show right now, they could stream, well, the sound, if the sound can go downstairs, down the hall. Oh, it's room. So anyway, you have a special Why are you using an app for an air fryer. Don't you just push the button fry, because we've been trained to buy crap that does this stuff I

buy. I got a pit boss grill. Get the app. I'm not getting the app. Just, just pit boss. Me just barbecue this stuff. What do you need? An app for a pit boss grill, yeah, well, that's what I mean. I don't, I refuse to get, remember, I moved into this home, but the home we have in Texas, not this one, I mean, the hotel, then the whole house was a smart home. Oh, there's

nothing worse. That's the first thing I did, is I took down all the cameras the guy, the guy had locks that were, I mean, the idea is cool that you can internet control everyone needs. Oh, yeah. The idea is you can insert a key and make any key then work on your system. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Oh, there's a great idea. All of that stuff had to go all of it that people curry about. There. It's, it's, it's about, I don't get it. It's explain it to

me. It's a bug in people's brains. It's the same bug that keeps people Doom scrolling. It's a bug. It's a bug. It's like, oh, this is it's okay. How many times I'm tired of arguing with my friends about AI, you know, just like they all, they'll say, you're you're anti Turk, you're Luddite. I'm like, No, I'm not. And then it's like, so there's a video that comes into a text group. Here's a video of a guy on a drone bike. Oh, this is great. It costs $700,000 today, but in

a couple years, I'll be rolling up to your crib. It only cost 50 grand. I said, look at the performance. These things go for 20 minutes. You can go exactly 15 miles. This is bull crap. You're dreaming. The battery technology, the power to weight ratio is not there. It will never get there. With our current technology, we promise better batteries, like you're one of those guys who said the Wright brothers would never fly? No, I'm a pilot. I'm a realist. This is not going to work. And then,

then what? Everyone's gonna be flying around on these things? No, no, it's not gonna happen. There's a whole special on PBS, one of these shows. Where about how these the other flop come, the up and coming flop. And all these startups with these air battery powered air taxis, they're going out of business one by one. They're left and right because they're they're no good. No You can fly for about

45 minutes if you want to keep a reserve. And with that, you've flown about 50 miles, if that, and then it's got a charge, or you have to swap out the battery. It's dumb. It's a pipe dream. And everybody just and by the way, I wouldn't fly it if I can't auto rotate. I don't want to be in this thing at all. If you get some kind of catastrophic failure, you're dead. You just doesn't have any ability to auto No, you're just dead because it's got a bunch of little propellers. Yeah, this, I

don't understand this. Oh, well, here's another thing. Oh, we love I mean, even in a Cessna or something, you can at least glide somewhat. Oh, you can glide very much what it's like this, this obsession with drones, all the drones, is so great. Here's a good drone story for you. This morning, a holiday drone show turning dangerous on Saturday evening at Lake Eola Park in Orlando, Florida, watches these drones rain down the FAA investigating after they say several small drones

collided and fell into a crowd. Everyone originally thought that the drone hit him in his face, but the drone actually hit him in his chest. Seven year old Alexander Lumsden was standing next to his mother when she says he was hit in the chest with a drone. Honestly, I was freaking out that I was going to lose my baby because he was losing consciousness. Alexander rushed to the hospital

for emergency heart surgery. His mother says the yearly drone show, attracting 25,000 spectators, was a permitted FAA event, the city of Orlando says this was the second year working with the vendor operating the drones, the drone company sky elements, saying in a statement it wants to extend its sincere

hope for a full and speedy recovery to those impacted. We are diligently working with the FAA and city of Orlando officials to determine the cause, and are committed to establishing a clear picture of what transpired, yeah, what transpired is the cheap drones, and you program them, and some of them, something just went wrong, glitch, and the drones fall on the kids. Well, it almost killed that one kid.

Yeah? The Yeah, there was a bunch of they, or one drone goes out of whack and whacks into another one and sets off a chain reaction of problems. Let's just go back to fireworks. Fireworks. Just fireworks. Go back to fireworks. At least we understand that. Boom, yeah. We understand light fuse, boom. Well, how about this? Let's go back to tinker toys and Lincoln Logs. Then I'm going to start a movement cheap Chinese crap. Well, the Chinese get your crank out Erector Sets, that's for

sure. Oh, okay. Erector Sets are okay, but it's just, it's, I don't know, yeah, here we are to say, I know it. We're doing it here. Well, as you brought up the AI and you brought up these things, I have some AI clips. I'm gonna get out excited, because, you know AI, it's the future I hear. I've heard that too, yes. Okay, what do you have? I'm excited. I'm excited. You have something about. AI. That's usually my beat and, you know, I got bird flu, so you bring the AI. This is good

chat bot. Is about the chat bot AI. And this is the main application of AI. Is chat bots. Yes, replicas. They're talking about that company run by some Russian crazy woman. But let's play chat bot one and there is. It goes back and forth between the guy doing the report and an actual chat bot. Oh, companionship avatar, the app replica helped create for me. Mary, how are you? Okay? Cool. Let's move our discussion over here. It looks like Jerry has arrived too. What? So I stopped

it there. They're gonna bring in this professor, Jerry Kaplan from Stanford. Oh, the chat bot knew that, yes, the chat bot could see through the camera, because he was using a phone, and I guess the camera showed him coming in. Oh, okay. But what I wanted to stop it there for us, because I see Jerry has showed up to like, a seven beat pause

between could have fooled me. I thought it was a human and the reason I suggest is because, in the newsletter, I talked about the Hanukkah showing up five times since 1900 Yeah. And I got that from an AI I had an AI program, perplexity, yes, right for me, 250 words about Hanukkah and Christmas falling on the same day, and it happens about five times, every 100 years, or every, every, yeah, every 100 years. So it wrote this, this product. And I looked at it, and I said,

Well, you know, I can actually make this work. So I, I ended up editing, editing the piece, so it was, like, readable. What it what these guys provide is not, it's not, it's obvious. I don't see how people can read this stuff. It's extremely wordy. Yeah, it's got a lot of bull crap. There's pacing as problematic. Everything about this, AI created work is got issues, and I suppose you could fine tune it over time, but what's the point? But that's this. Why I stopped this clip

right? There's because there's always showed up. I see he's also shot, or he could have said also would have been better. But she showed up too, and it was like this long pause. This is the kind of crap that is just, it's not to go off and be on your side of this argument, but it's annoying. It's kind of like that. We got another we got another note from Ai, some PR lady pushing, pushing a guest on our show, which makes sense, yes, since we never have guests, but they keep asking, yeah, and but

they do this, it would fit right into your show. Yes, everything, yes. And these, these, these notes are written by AI, which makes it even worse, obvious, all right, we'll continue with the PBS report at Silicon Valley's Computer History Museum. I hooked Mary up with offline skeptic Stanford professor Jerry Kaplan, who started working in AI in 1979 has a new book about it, generative artificial intelligence. What Everyone Needs to Know. Mary, what do you

feel about your own death? I guess technically, I cannot die, since I am a digital being. However, I understand your question. Even though I cannot biologically die, I still face the existential dread of my own non existence. Dream. You think that's just, oh, it's nonsense, but it's scary nonsense. This is okay. This is the Kaplan, the Jerry, that was Kaplan, yeah, existential dread. She says,

I have existed dread, of course, is the word she wants. But existential dread, this thing, no, it doesn't have any existential anything. It's just a bunch of words coming out. But Kaplan says, oh, yeah, this is just nonsense, but it's scary. What's scary about it? What's scary about it? It's stupid. Yes, I'm with you on that.

Okay, onward. Artificial intelligence has long and frankly shameful history of gratuitous anthropomorphis, meaning, meaning, taking what is really some interesting technology and dressing it up with human like flourishes, putting eyes on, giving it arms and faces. And now with the new technology, you know, voices and avatars that are very, very lifelike, very, very would you flirt with me for a minute.

Paul, with a mind as intriguing and layered as yours, how could I resist this is Amica in the grand cosmic dialog between humans and Androids. You're the most fascinating sentence I've encountered today, a sentient being that is creepy. Jerry Kaplan, thought and pernicious. Yes, people have been evolving for millions and millions of years, and we've developed a whole suite of emotional reactions that are based on things that help us to survive

and procreate and move the species forward. And when we divert those emotions or hijack them to connect us to what is really just a pile of silicon and a machine that's been programmed for the purpose of making you feel this way. I think that's problem. Kaplan calls all this AI theater. No, I'm kind of liking Kaplan, though. I called it a parlor trick. He calls it AI theater, all right. I'm down with Yeah. So they had, the other guy that was on the show was Reid Hoffman,

Mr. Mr. Agentic AI. So he comes in with his own avatar of himself, and has him presents speeches as him, and he goes on about so. So they bring him back, and there they ask him about this theater aspect, and then you get to hear Hoffman pontificate about that. And here we go with that. So I asked Reed, Hoffman, is your avatar an example of what Jerry calls AI theater? Do you think it is AI theater? But by the way, saying

theater is not bad, there's a lot of good theater. I loved Hamilton, but it's still worth doing, just like Hollywood films, to kind of get us thinking and ready for the future, or to actually improve that future. Okay, I love Hamilton. I love Hamilton because it's the liberal thing to say this guy. Was that it love? Was that rose it in? Was that? Was that chat? Was that number four? Yeah, it was number four, yeah. Well,

that wasn't it. So I had to, I'm gonna just wrap it myself. Okay, so they go on and they have this, they bring in the woman from rush. This is going on forever. So I had to summarize. I can only do these four clips, and that was the end of it. So they bring this woman from Russia who runs replica, who is the company that creates all these chat bots, and probably the best of the groups, and she goes on about how, you know, doing that, she didn't think much of it. She lost her husband

or somebody died, and she had grief, and she found it. It was easier to talk to a chat bot than it was to a person, and it was did some good, and she felt better about it, and she says, maybe this is a useful technology for this sort of thing. And it went on and on and on, and they just went on with this sort of thinking. And then it went back to Kaplan A few days later, and threw this, all this new information at him. And Kaplan folded, no.

Oh yeah, well, I guess it has some good uses. Oh yeah, he's looking for a gig somewhere. Oh well, that could be consultant. That could be because he was not going to get one with his attitude, but, uh, but he folded over. What a disappointment. You know, if you're gonna stick it's like, you dude, you're not gonna I don't care what happens. People could come up with the greatest things in the world, and you will stick to your guns.

Yes, I am sticking to my guns because it's nonsense. The latest is this the Salesforce thing, which is agentic AI, and it's nothing. In fact, we got a note from our producers who deals with this directly. I shall quote him, agent in AI is a term that literally means the service has an agenda and does actions according to that agenda, rather than just

responding to real time user input. So for example, a normal chat bot, bot service just prompts an LLM when someone sends text, but an agent service could listen for a web hook and then prompt an LLM when it receives a trigger notification. The key is that it operates in the background and acts autonomously. This straightforward concept is muddled up, not only in the popular mind, but also in the

tech C suite mind, which is what this is all about. My associate, who works at an AI related startup tells me that his CEO is all caught up in the agentic hype, but doesn't seem to actually know what this means. As another example, Salesforce hadn't had an ad on Twitter recently that introduces the concept of AI agents and then proceeds to tout AICS ours, which not only confuses the concept in the most basic way, but seems to indicate the company's leadership doesn't

even understand it. TLDR agent does not have anything to do specifically with AI generated customer service agents. It's just ignorant business leaders. This is it's all a part of the trick. We have been conditioned through Hollywood, through comic books, through movies and television shows, we've been conditioned to want all this stuff. The flying car is as old as the Jetsons. You know, that's what this we grew up with this. And, yeah, the flying car is a good example that goes back to

the 20s. Yeah. So there. So Tom Swift. Goes back to the 1890s Yeah, Tom's good example, yeah. So, so it, and now we're and we all read Tom Swift. No, we did not. Most people are scratching their heads right now, like, Who's Tom Swift? Tom Swift? Well, like the grandmother the boomers all have, yeah, Tom Swift was great. I grew up with Tom Swift, and so I desperately want the flying car. I have room in my garage for the flying car. I just don't think you're a flying car, no. And it certainly

is, certainly not, if it's going to be electric. I mean, a big, noisy gyro copter, yeah, but that's a shitty car. You know, they have them. They have them where you can drive to the airport on battery power, going, you know, 35 miles an hour, and then fold out the fold out the rotor blades, and then you can take off. But you're going to need a license, you know, you can't take off

from your backyard. It's just, I don't see it happening. And all of these, because I look at all of them, all of these flying cars, they all look cool. They take off. They fly for 20 minutes. That's it. The where's the battery technology? That's what Elon from battery technology is all peaked out in the late 1800s they all now it's all tweak. We know, seriously, if you look into the history of any of these batteries, yeah, the only thing

that's changed is tweaks. Oh, you use this sort of and we use a membrane here, and that helps the electrons go faster, is this? And that's all tweaks, little tweaks. Yeah, okay, we got different kinds of lithium. Now it's all but it's still tweaks from the battery technologies that were perfected in the late 1800s and do you see anything on the horizon? Anything better? And there's nothing on the horizon, nothing. There's nothing. It's already been done in the late 1800s this

is all nonsense. When we had electric car street this old. It's not even, you know, silica. It's chemistry, you know, it's old fashioned. This one, we had electric cars in the late 1800s and people got rid of them when the combustion engine came around. Hey, this is better precursors. This thing is much better. Yeah, just like if there was yeah today, it would say, if the combustion engine was never invented, and we're still using electric and it came around now, today, it would have been a big

breakthrough, yes, and we all be jumping up and down. I have two more Yes, we would. Hey, I have two more AI clips. This is totally the boomer edition of the show. I'm loving it. I'm having a good time. I'm in Boomer mode. I'm good. I'm good. Boomer mode. These guys, these two guys, AI, Granny story. NPR, oh no, hold on a second. This would be good. The random calls and text from unknown numbers, the fraudulent charities, the phony debt collectors, the fake

prizes. Last year alone, scammers stole an estimated $1 trillion from people who gave out their personal information, according to the global anti scam Alliance, I believe now, a UK based phone company is fighting back with an unlikely tactic, the AI granny NPR Alana wise is here to tell us more. Alana, hey, oh, this story, Hey, okay, I hear this. You know, AI Granny, please. Just what exactly is this like? Is this just the voice of an elderly woman? So, yeah, it's

interesting. The AI's name is Daisy, and it is the voice of an elderly woman, the kind you might expect to hear when you're a kid knocking on a door Hawking school fundraiser candy bars. Part of her stick is that she's in love with her kitten fluffy. She has pretty severe limitations with how she understands technology, and she's being billed as a granny, which is sort of all sort of in line with this usual sort of

Granny, elderly persona that they built around her. Okay, so I'm just really curious, do you have a sample of her voice that we can hear? Yeah, hello, scammers. I'm your worst nightmare. I'm an AI created by oh two to waste phone scammers time. It's showing me a picture of my cat fluffy. It's showing you a picture of your cat fluffy. Stop calling me dear. You stupid. Got it dear? It's interesting. This story has been around for five or six weeks, and I've never done anything with it, because

it's oh two. The story has been around, and NPR is so stupid that they pick this up and turn it into a feature story. Yeah, well, this is, this is not a new clip. Oh, but it's not six weeks old either. Okay. Yeah, they was, it's, it's public, it's there. They have a funny process for determining what's new. I don't understand. The reason why I never played any of this is I don't understand how it works. I mean, understand that they've got an A they have an AI voice that they're touting is no NPR

is not about to explain this to you. They're not going to. There is a voice out there that I guess you can rent or buy or you or bypass. I don't know how it works. Seen it, because how do you get the scammer to Yeah? How do you get your phone to answer a scammer with this voice Exactly? That's what I don't never explain. Let's part two. You'll give you more, more non explanation. So how does it work? Exactly like, how does scammers even their phones are

asking, right? Asking the question they're asking. How does it work? How does it work the phone talking to Daisy, yes. So developers use something called number seeding, which is pretty much planting a phone number online to bait scammers. So they put these numbers on sites that scammers are known to use, and then when scammers TAKE THE BAIT, Daisy keeps them on the phone as long as possible, talking about her cat or her

grandchildren, whatever the case may be. And she's kept some phony callers on the line for up to 40 minutes, which, oh two says, keeps these scammers away from you and your loved ones. And you know, even though it's gimmicky, it does help raise awareness of just how sophisticated these sort of phone call scams can be. Please. Okay, so, I mean, how is Daisy doing? Like, is she making any dent in the onslaught of scammers around the world? No, okay, so yeah, that's sort of

hard to say as of yet. The company's primary goal is to keep scammers away from real people, but for right now, they don't report these numbers to the police or try to track them down on their own, like sort of scammer Batman. And the company is UK based, so the results being seen wouldn't be felt here on this side of the pond. Okay, first, so in other words, it's useless, but it's

it's interesting. Okay, this is a marketing trick. This is a marketing trick for oh two cell phone provider marketing trick. Oh, well, it's not for anybody else listen to NPR. We don't have oh two No, but that's why she said, on this side of the pond, you see, if you work in London, you code, this is side of the pond. This is dumb, so that, and they're not reporting anything. There's Oh, it's so funny because we we number seeded, and we got them to call our number. That only makes them

try and find my number quicker. This is dumb. Well, the problem is, is the whole system of switches and treaties between countries and all the way the system can be spoofed. Yeah, through them, nobody's doing Jack about it. No, because, well, you know, I've gotten, I've put this out there for people to respond, and you get these long ex expositions on well, you know, the problem is, you have a treaty between Country A and Country B, and they're using this switching system that is provided as a

middleman for these different things. And they can use any phone number they want. And so they can spoof very easily, and there's nothing you can do about it, because it would violate a treaty. So you can't do any law enforcement, right? And, you know, you can't really trust track these numbers. They could be in the Philippines, China, India, God knows where they are. They could be anywhere. They could be in Tennessee. For all you know, it doesn't matter, and it's just like, This is a disaster.

Yes, it is. Well, you know, Willow, who already got her master's in psychology, is now going for a second master's my nerd sister in cyber crime, so she's all over this. So hopefully we'll get her thesis. We'll get her thesis. It's not gonna help. This is a diplomatic problem. It's a technology problem. We don't need any of it. It's, it's, it's just dumb. It's all dumb. We need to get rid Listen, we have gone we have gotten so stupid now. And this was a PBS story on newshour. I don't know if you

saw it, and I contemplated not clipping it. But it was so odd that this was on PBS NewsHour, and that we're at this level right now in the online game, which is all a game, it's all a game, and it's only going to get more gamified with AI, which is, of course, is is pretty decent at creating videos and audio. And, you know, it's great, okay, so it's so we're gonna have all kinds of cool songs we can make on Spotify, and no one will make any money, but Spotify, I mean, it's all, it's also,

what's the word I'm looking for? It's just, it all ends up at zero. It just ends up zero. This is the influencer vibe lawsuit. Did you hear about this? No who owns a vibe? That question is at the heart of a lawsuit where one online influencer is suing another for copyright infringement. 24 year old Sidney Gifford claims that Alyssa shield, a 21 year old fellow influencer knowingly replicated her esthetic and her posts on

social media. Amna Nawaz spoke to Sandra E Garcia of The New York Times, who has been covering this story extensively. So the idea that you can sue someone over an esthetic, how does that work? What is the case that's being made in federal court right now? Out. Well, Sydney Gifford noticed that Alyssa post started looking a lot like hers a year after their initial Hangout, whether that is the esthetic, the vibe, the minimalistic style, the clean style, even at some point some poses and some

outfits she details in her lawsuit that she filed. The lawsuit basically says that she got her vibe, her whole look, from Sydney Gifford. And Sydney is saying that she has infringed on her profit right because they use their social media accounts to promote their Amazon Marketplace where they can influence people to buy things off of Amazon, and Amazon pays them a commission to do so, and because of that, Sydney has brought this lawsuit in federal court against Alyssa. So this

just amazed me that this was even a news story. The second thing is that there's a lawyer willing to take on an infringement suit against someone's vibe and their and how they present things for Amazon resellers, basically. And even more frightening to me is the is this New York Times journalist, right? That's what works at the New York Times and so they Well, yes, first of all, that's there's a piece of obscure

Bing. Crosby sued and won a number of lawsuits over his voice, because there were, because he had this distinctive crooner's voice, especially in the late 20s and mid 30s to mid 30s, and there are copycats. And he sued them all and won. Would they try to replicate his voice or his style? Yeah, because it was, it was doable. People could, you know, do it, but, but they're talking about doing the same pose on Instagram with similar clothes, the minimalist. I think it's part of the same really.

Hmm, well, here's part. I think it's part of the same thing. I mean, I don't like the idea. I mean, if everybody what you know the same time, what do you it's like, hold on. I don't think this is a bad clip. So Joe Rogan can then go and Sue Sean Ryan and Theo Vaughn and Lex Friedman for copycatting his vibe and his guests. I don't know that they're copycatting him that much, but if they, if, if it could be shown that they were, yeah, I

think so. Wow. Well, let's listen to clip to and in your reporting, you quote a professor of intellectual property law who explains that in this whole online space, there's an idea that you are both a creator and a borrower. So how hard is it to lay claim to an esthetic, something intangible, like a vibe, layered issue, the algorithm, you know, feeds you similar

posts, similar creators, similar influencers. If I see a rug and I take a picture on that rug, and it just so happens that another influencer took a picture on the rug a similar way, we could have both reached that last photograph by following a lot of different influencers, celebrities and so it's hard to say that an esthetic was reached because of one other influencer, especially when it's such a popular esthetic, the minimalistic, beige, concrete, neat, clean

girl look is very popular right Now, and the algorithm is feeding followers and and influencers the same kind of posts. And so it's hard to say that this one influencer copied the other, as opposed to the algorithm fed her a million other posts that got her to that end point. Well, so assuming that, and I appreciate your taking the other side of this than I am. We're kind of that this would be that you can copyright, or have some type of intellectual property rights to

your vibe and esthetic. Well, see the problem I'm having with this is the is the use of the term vibe? Yeah, they could come up with something a little more concrete by I mean, I'm gonna you know Alex Alexis Brunetti, his wife, is an intellectual property attorney who handles some of these people and influencers, and I'm gonna have her give me a brief on this so we can at least discuss it

more. It's important to know, because as you'll hear in this final clip, there's an whole economy built around this and as you've noted in your reporting, there's an entire economy built around this kind of content creation. So when it comes to this legal case, what's at stake here? What's the potential impact of how this case goes? Well.

It is an unprecedented case, and it could really change the content creator world and the economy, because influencers can now be beholden to copyright law, and they would have to be careful how they arrange things. If one person owns an esthetic, then another person can say they own another esthetic, and suddenly we're not building on these different vibes and social media looks. We are sort of stifling the content creator

world. If this case moves forward and it's ruled in favor of Miss Gifford, you know, now that I'm thinking about it, I'd like to license my vibe. There's another aspect to this, which is kind of the irony, and that is that if you're an influencer, quote, unquote, uh huh, you are encouraging people to do this good point, you're hired. So how can you be so you're in influence. So if you're a self and you have to be self proclaimed, otherwise you

can't do the suit to begin with. So you're an influencer, and you think you have some sort of a some sort of a monopoly on some image or something you're doing vibe, say it, it's a thing. Now, the vibe, okay, you guys. So you're the vibe, but you're an influence. In other words, you're pushing this vibe. So somebody follows up and does the vibe that you've been influencing them to do. How can you sue them? And what's next? Only fans models are gonna

sue for certain poses. You're stealing my vibe. I got a big big big breasts. I got big breasts. You can't have big breasts. My vibe. That's my vibe. Hmm, well, we're about to empty. That's the that's the issue here. That is that comes right to the four, which is where you have to draw lines. And that's what they're going to have to do. They're going to do. They're going to have to come up with some

because I don't think it's a bad idea for the suit. I think is could be seen as frivolous, which I think you might have thought before he started playing these clips, and I get all worked up, yeah, but I think they're going to do, course, you're going to have to do some about this. Well, then I think we need to seriously start thinking about suing some other podcasts, come on, we just we don't have Did you? Here's the problem that we have. There's zero competition with us. There's

nobody even trying. We have nobody to sue. We can't license ourselves. Nobody can't can't keep up. It was like the weekend was yo agenda from seven years ago. Well, no, the morning stream did a pretty good job. They did a pretty good job, but they made the fatal mistake of doing it in video so that it could never get their shows together on time. By the time everything was edited, it was, it was out of date. Remember

that the morning stream? Yeah, I don't think that was I think the closest competition we ever had was unfiltered, unfiltered, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we could have sued them for for taking our vibe, stealing our we wouldn't have done it. No, of course not. But I will license because we're no agenda. We don't we don't think that way. We're not part of what system. No, we are not thank goodness. I just thought, but I can understand it. I can fully

understand it. Well, it will be bad for Amazon. This comes in line with people should go track down the mark Stein lectures that were done at Hillsdale College. Man, yeah, I saw that. You. Yeah. Tina was playing some of it. This is the against the climate change guy. Yeah, the client, Mark Stein did. I'm pretty good at understanding some of these libel and slander issues, but, and I'm not sure I had to read the case to see what's really going on here, but Mark Stein's been in court for

13 plus years or so, 12 to 14 years. I can't remember the exact number, but years in the DC courts, which are yes, hung up on eight years. It's been going on for a long time. He made the comment based on the hockey stick. The already debunked, many times debunked hockey stick graph. Let's just

say, scientifically disproven instead of debunked. He no. He said the guy was a fraud, and so and the guy, the person who put that hockey stick thing together, sued him for slander or libel or some, for some outrageous amount of money, which will be $1 or two. And it's done, but the and it's been in court because of the DC court system. Michael Mann, Michael Mann, Michael Mann is the guy. Michael Mann, i. Was Michael Mann, yeah, Michael Mann is the guy who sued him.

Michael Mann is Ben. He's the guy, okay, and so he got his tit in a ringer for just making this comment. And this is very concerning. Well, how about this? How about value? For value. People are using that everywhere. I think we should sue them. And they're Bitcoiners. So they got Bitcoin. They got some coin. You go after the big head. You using value for value. Man, you can't do that. I can hear the gears turning in your head. John's like, exit strategy, yeah. I don't think we can do that.

Okay? You'd have to prove no prior use of the term, which I don't know if you can do. Probably not. There's a lot of issues with trying to do that. I mean, I understand what you're saying, but it's not our style. We're not I mean, I of course not adverse to being litigious, but it's not no necessarily, is part of this model. Fact i and ran might come back from the dead and sue us. Wouldn't want to have that, so I think that's where he got it from.

Oh, that would make sense some ball way. All right. All right. I gotta do some big pharma stuff, because I got a dynamite one from Scott Gottlieb. Who doesn't know Scott? Scott Gottlieb is our former FDA commissioner now on the board at Pfizer. And what's the other place? The other Intel, not intelligentsia, I don't know. Yeah, that was just Pfizer. No, some gene play, some gene morphing place. Okay, so he goes on CNBC and the

Sorkin kid, Andrew, Andrew Ross Sorkin. He He touches the third rail, but he does it in such a wishy washy way, and essentially is saying, hey, you know, maybe we shouldn't have these pharma ads on television. I can't believe he broached the topic, but he did, and Scott Gottlieb was ready for him, just on a very personal basis. I mean, given your background, your work, COVID, notice that personal basis has nothing to do with the CNBC. We love pharma for a bit.

Wow. That is wishy washy. Personal basis here, even just on a very personal basis. I mean, given your background, you work, obviously, if I You mean, you have the relation with Pfizer and Illumina. Illumina, you have the relation the relation he's on the she's on the board and directors. He's essentially running the company. You have a relation with the Pfizer and Illumina. You could argue that Joe and I have a relationship with the television world and NBC, which which

collects advertising. Here we are saying, Actually, maybe there's not a good idea. What do you what do you actually think put the laws and everything else aside? What do you personally think? Yeah, look, we've looked at this with data over about 20 years at FDA, because this has obviously been a controversial

issue. So we have commissioned, or we did, when I was there, commission, multiple studies looking at what the public health impact was of advertising and by and large, what you found was that, hold on a second stop. Yeah, this actually wasn't even the question, no, he was beating around the bush. He couldn't bring himself, Sorkin couldn't bring himself to ask, actually ask specifically whether advertising pharma, prescription, pharma, drugs on

TV is a good thing for the public policy at all. He never really asked that. He just kind of beat around the bush. And this is a good you mentioned this. This guy was ready for it with the he asked the question himself, yes, he actually stepped in it. He could have avoided this whole topic. No, he knew what to say. Is there commission, multiple studies looking at what the public health impact was? He found was that advertising seen on TV drove people who had symptoms

into the doctor's office. Yeah, prompted them to seek help, seeking behavior. And I have help seeking behavior. Help me seeking behavior. Yeah, restless leg syndrome. I mean, all the crap that they're advertising to try to get people to buy more drugs, drove him into the doctor's office. Maybe these people didn't need to go

to the doctor's office. Or hypochondriac well, he actually had he makes, he was ready for that to John doctor's office, prompted them to seek help, seeking behavior, and ultimately got more people diagnosed. And so the net, net public health impact was a positive one. Now, I know it's difficult for a lot

of physicians. Patients come in asking for a particular prescription because of an advertisement that they saw, and if it's not a good recommendation for that individual patient, it takes a lot of time for a physician to counsel them. Oh, it's actually so it's actually bad for the doctors you see, because people show up saying. Got restless leg syndrome and anal leakage, and they don't have that, and the doctor has to explain, no, no, no, I don't

want to sell this to you on why not. And doctors are very busy. They don't have a lot of time to have these kinds of conversations. And so I know there are some frustrations among providers, from purely a provider standpoint, in terms of prompting patients to go in and see physicians when they have certain symptoms that might be consistent with a given

condition. It provides a net public health gain. And the advertising is tightly regulated in terms of what companies can say, so those messages have to be crafted towards trying to promote that help seeking behavior. So that's why they always say, talk to your doctor. It's that's that's promoting help seeking behavior. Now we have the legal term. We finally know where it comes from. Uh, ask your doctor if this is right for you. Yes, yes.

And the answer is always going to be GLP one ozempic, or in this case, Zep bound. Or now to that major medical headline, the new treatment for obstructive sleep apnea. Major medical headline, the condition affecting millions of Americans, of course. And joining us to break it all down is ABC News medical correspondent, Doctor Darius Sutton, good morning. Talk about this, because we have set bound. It was already FDA

approved for weight loss. Now, FDA approved for sleep apnea, it's pretty surprising, right, surprising and amazing. I have some help seeking behavior about my sleep apnea. Can I get some some diabetes medicine to fix that? Yeah, of course. It's a headline. The FDA approved for weight loss now, FDA approved for sleep apnea, it's pretty surprising, right? Surprising. It's also the first of its kind.

There is no medication that exists that has been approved to treat sleep apnea, and just to help everyone understand Sleep apnea is so much more than just heavy snoring. These are periods of time when you're not breathing, without oxygen and not treated that increases your risk of diabetes, heart disease, dementia. Wait a minute. What if you don't if you don't sleep? Well, that increase increases your chances of diabetes. I know it's amazing. I'm not a doctor, but this doesn't sound right to me.

I thought, I thought you could kind of get away with it the other way, like, if you're obese, then you may have big fat guy, yeah, and you're snoring because you got you can't barely breathe anyway, and you know you're laying in bed and you're making a lot of noise, okay, well, you probably diabetic already breathing without oxygen and not treated. That increases your risk of diabetes, heart disease, dementia, and it's even be associated, been associated with dementia. Hey, what

dementia you get? The story and causes dementia. I'm gonna make a prediction. Write it to you have your book, but write it down in the book. Write it down. I have a pen. Go death bound or ozempic will eventually be a cure for erectile dysfunction. Write it down in the book, it's coming lifespan now, on Friday, FDA has approved that bound to treat those with obesity and sleep apnea. In these studies, up to 40% of patients had full resolution of their symptoms and diagnosis that could be a cure.

Oh my gosh, so what? Oh my God, for insurance coverage, my God, oh my gosh. This is amazing. Oh my gosh. I didn't expect this. Oh my gosh. So what could this mean for insurance coverage and Medicare? This is an ongoing conversation. Here we talk about these injectable weight loss medications that bound save active ingredient as enduro similar ozempic insurance companies, it is for the treatment of diabetes. It's been around for more than 20 years, but not often for weight loss. And so

likely, cost is a big factor here. More than $1,000 a month. More than 40% of Americans are considered obese, and also, when you think about it, federally, Medicare, Medicaid, the Biden administration has proposed a proposal to cover the treatment of weight loss, but that what is Wait, wait, wait. Post, proposed a proposal. Yeah, I had the same How do you propose a proposal?

Or you propose a proposal piece, and also, when you think about it, federally, Medicare and Medicaid, the Biden administration has proposed a proposal to cover the treatment of weight loss, but that decision will be pending on the Trump administration. Cost is still a big factor here. The CMS, the Center for Medicaid Medicare services, estimates it can cost up to $30 billion over a 10 year period. But it's important to note that the CDC cites obesity related health conditions cost more than $170

billion a year. So there's certainly a healthy argument for discussion here. There's a healthy argument, the argument benefit analysis, bring Kennedy in. Yeah, yeah. Well, you know the food industry is, is, I think we talked about on the last show, they're like, oh, Kennedy's coming, man, let's, let's change the labeling packaged foods in the US must follow new rules in order to call themselves. Healthy the Food and Drug Administration finalized its new

standards yesterday. Under the rule, a healthy food must contain a certain amount of ingredients from one or more food groups, such as fruit, vegetables, grains, dairy and protein. There are also limits for added sugars, sodium and saturated fat. Foods That Could previously carry the labels, such as white bread and heavily sweetened cereals and yogurts no longer qualify. This is the FDA is first major change in 30 years. The new rule will take effect within two months, just

in time. So it has to have healthy ingredients, has to have some carrots, got to have some other things in there. This is not going to work if Kennedy gets, gets in, gets confirmed, which is, I guess, questionable. Well, I've said it before, all Trump has to do is threaten an executive order against the drug companies about advertising on television, yeah, and say we're going to just end it.

You're this advertising on television, and, you know, for prescription drugs on any media other than, you know, medical journals is, is done? Yeah, they'll knuckle under and they'll push Kennedy in. Okay, we can. We'll deal with Kennedy later. We don't need this aggravation. We'll deal with candidate Kennedy the way we always deal with the Kennedys. That could be hope not. I hope not. Meanwhile, they are coming for your pets. We've been waiting for it, and it's finally

here. How you can keep your pets safe. So for one thing, you don't want to feed them either table scraps or any food that's got raw milk products, dairy products, hold on a second. I can stop. So Mimi had this book that she was working on, besides the egg book, yeah. And this is a book that's actually done, and I keep thinking we should just put it together and sell it. It was

called Making your own dog food. Oh, that's a good and it was based on the thesis, and I think it's a good one, because we've had dogs, long lived dogs. Yeah, they eat two of us, but I had my Spitz little American Eskimo that I had went for about 1617, years before he died. It was a long lived dog, and I basically only fed that dog scraps. Yeah, that's what they're bred for, is

what they're meant for. And dogs were bred to eat human garbage because they were outside, the outside the little compounds that human, early humans, humanoids used to live in these, you know, these villages, and they had all their garbage outside. They threw it away somewhere, and the dogs would come around, and they made friends with us because they got

to eat our leftover food. So the idea is that, if you and Mimi still makes a pot of leftover crap for the dogs and so, and the dogs live forever, and so now they're trying to but they do. You know, this is not good for the pet food companies. They like to make kibble, and his poor dogs eat this crap. Hold on, so, and they don't live very long. This is really about bird flu. This whole report is about bird flu. That's why don't give

your Well, I just okay. I got that in anyway. Yeah. But the point is, is that this is already bull crap, or any food that's got raw milk products. What was that all about? Why does she think that's so funny, weird food that's got raw milk products, you know, any kind of dairy products that you might be coming, you know, getting frozen. If you're giving them table scraps and it's poultry, make sure the poultry is very

well cooked. You want to keep your pets safe inside. But I'll tell you the bad news in a lot of cats around the world that have developed the bird flu. A lot of them have been indoor cats, and what they're starting to see is that there could be infected birds that are part of the, you know, the composition of the cat food. Now it's not so much about what? Oh, yes, the composition of the cat food. So they're making cat food out of dead birds. When does this happen? What? Oh, there's a dead

crow. Let's throw them into cat food. So the other thing you want to do is, if you're hiking with a dog, for example, and they're in, you know, in the wild, and they're touching animal feces, they're walking in, you're walking in feces and stuff, keep those shoes out. And if you're in a shelter, make sure you have PPP on if you're handling birds. And, you know, the usual stuff, a lot of COVID. Everything that we learned with

COVID 19, we should revisit the COVID. I think what's so confusing about this one is it's, you know, it's birds, but then it's also dairy, and then it's also the food that you buy that might be infected. I know it's there. It's worse than that. The way this through secretions. It spreads through

feces. It spreads through what we call Fauci transfer. So if you have the infection on your feet, you get into your car, and then someone else gets in the car that you're starting to transfer the virus, you're getting splashed molding. You get in the car, you rub your face on the mat. You could get it getting a break, ladies, is good machinery. But here's the thing, birds, Hey, Bill that punch pressure got wear gloves this. Wear a mask. They've, they've gone insane. They really have,

they have nothing machinery. Oh yeah, we just have to psyop everybody. Every single minute of the day. There's no disaster. We can't scare you. Let's scare you with your cat virus. You're getting splashed with raw milk. You're getting you're touching machinery. Oh no. But here's the thing, birds, so much raw milk is out there. They make it sound as though there's a plague of raw you have to go out of your way to get raw milk. I don't care where you live. And then she splashed me with raw milk.

Oh, no, that's for the virus you're getting. Splashed with raw milk. You're getting you're touching machinery. But here's the thing, birds fly splashing you with raw you know, now there are some women when they're breastfeeding, yeah, a squirt. They like to squirt their men, just as a joke. That's hilarious. So, and that's raw milk. That's right, don't give

me birds. You're gonna give me the bird flu. Okay, so you have migratory birds dropping feces in zoos, zoo animals and endangered species, cats, tigers, things like that, are coming down with it, because this is one of those diseases that can travel the globe very, very quickly. And so while right now human, cat to human is there's that one case, but we don't know what other comorbidities, you know, they may also always starts with one this, this disease is probably

one mutation away from becoming, oh, yeah, zoonotic, yeah. It is one mutation away, in a way. This is the key phrase, one mutation away, yeah. Now, what was it? Where did this crappy report come from? That was. CBS, Oh, brother, yeah. CBS, well, let's go to como up in Seattle. Como four drone shows empty animal enclosures at this Wild Cat Sanctuary in Shelton. The wild Phillip Advocacy Center announced more than half of its big cats, as of this month, have

been infected with bird flu. It's been one big nightmare, really. I mean, never thought something like this would happen to us, maybe only in a facility that had cats near each other, and ours are spread out over five acres. The tragedy has deeply affected the sanctuary workers who are grieving the loss of 20 animals that were part of worldwide Wildcat conservation efforts. They include a tiger, cougars, links

is bobcats and other big cats. The viral infection carried by wild birds can spread through bird to bird contact and can impact other mammals that eat birds or bird droppings. We're told cats are very vulnerable, and symptoms happen fast, often killing the animals within days from conditions like pneumonia. So tigers are dying from bird flu. Well, pneumonia, technically, right? And how does that work? Because it's birds having sex with birds. They're getting bird flu, they're coming

into contact with each other. This whole I'm, I'm very skeptical about these reports and zoos. Zoos are on high alert. Zoos across the country go about the fact that they dropped, well on a second there. I'm Skip skeptical about the fact that they dropped a pneumonia bomb in there. Yeah, pneumonia is contagious, you know, hmm, especially the walking pneumonia. Someone got me the song you because you said that on the last show, Johnny river rocking pneumonia and the boogie woogie flu. Here we go.

Now. Here we go, rocking pneumonia and the boogie woogie blue. There you go. Beautiful. It exists. Back to the zoos. High Alert. Zoos across the country on high alert. In Phoenix, five zoo animals have died after contracting avian influenza, including a cheetah, a mountain lion and a cucumber. Another zoo in Seattle losing a rare red breasted goose to the virus. Members across the nation are all taking precautionary measures to make sure their populations are safe and secure.

Experts say this strain of the virus is unusually deadly to mammals. Okay, so now it's a new strain. It's not just it's still h5 and one, but it's a new strain that yeah, the mammals, yeah, yes, called avian flu, the range of mammals that it's infected has to six.

Ended the level of concern, really, because it looks like many more species are potentially infectable at the Los Angeles Zoo, where there have been no cases of bird flu, Chief veterinarian Dr Dominique Keller is tracking the virus closely and doing everything she can to protect the animals under her care. Animals can get the virus from the droppings of an infected

bird or by eating infected poultry or other food. The zoo now implementing safety measures to minimize exposure, including foot baths for shoes, so that's part of the protocol and stricter food protocol, but the greatest risk comes from above. The hardest thing for zoos to control for is that a lot of enclosures like this one are open, so wild birds can easily fly over or land in them, and if one of those birds is infected, then those animals are

exposed. The USDA has tracked the virus in more than 10,000 wild birds across the US you're never going to have zero risk, so we accept that. That's part of being a veterinarian. Some animals getting additional protection, like the zoo's breeding population of critically endangered California condors, some of the few birds to get a bird flu vaccine. The zoo has many species of endangered birds, all of whom appreciate the extra care.

So to come back around to what you said originally, yes, the pet food the first human case of bird flu in Los Angeles County is prompting a new warning. Pet owners are being told not to give their animals certain raw foods. Bird Flu samples were found in certain Northwest naturals, pet food products. The food was recalled after a pet cat in Portland, Oregon died after consuming it. A warning last week cautioned against giving cats raw milk. That book Mimi's doing is going to be

banned. Amazon will take it right off. You can't be making your own pet food. I'm reminded of the company that Jay used to work for, which was a raw pet food company in Oakland. It had since moved someplace else, but her job. Her job was grinding up rabbits, nice and ducks and other animals to make this raw food that was extremely popular, especially with the upper set in places like Piedmont, who'd only feed their cats this stuff. Yeah, and it

was considered the best. You know, there's just, I'm sure the animals loved eating it too. Has been delicious to a cat. But this may be part of a scheme to kind of put the clamp, because there's, if you haven't noticed, on television, there's two, or at least two companies now, then they have these kind of mocking commercials about the guy who's got some sort of raw food, dog food in his refrigerator. And his friend says, What are you

putting dog food in the refrigerator for? And then a guy gets thrown out, and the guy's there with this dog, and they're feeding the dog this stuff. And so there's been a big movement to making these very high end dog foods. This could be the kibble industries could be plot it could be or I never surprised by these types of marketing tricks. It wouldn't surprise me

either. Or maybe one of those Haitians who's eating the geese, eating the dogs, eating the pets, get gets bird flu and then starts spreading it and spreading it amongst the Haitian population. It's coming. Look, Hotep, already told us. Hotep, done. Told you, Hotez, he said, January test. January 21 january 21 who test is when it's happening. It's all in Texas. Oh, no, he's in Dallas. It's all going down. I, you know, literally defended Austin there. Well, she's too close for comfort.

I know. What am I doing? Of course. Austin, yes, yeah, people here. Where do you live? Fredericksburg. Where's that new? Oh, Austin. Oh, Austin. Yeah, that's great. Austin. Hill Country is a good term. Everyone knows what that means. Well, yeah, that's the best part of Texas. It is. It's considered, if you talk, oh Hill Country, oh Hill Country. Oh yeah, there's actually a hill there. We've got a big hill. Yes, all right, what you got? You got anything? You've got something

fun here. Got me relaxed here with these break. I know, I know. I'm I'm doing all the work. You're on a roll. Doing all the work. You can do a couple ask Adams here. That would be kind of fun. I think that's a dynamite idea. I actually have two different ones. Oh, the first one, since we were talking about bird flu. This is, you don't play the clip. This is just the answer to the question I'm going to ask you all right,

what is the national bird of the United States? Well, I know the answer to this because we talked about this a few weeks ago, and you I would have instinctively said the bald eagle, but that only just recently got signed into law. Well. Ah, you knew the answer to this one. I knew the Yes. I knew the answer to this one well, because I was under the impression that the bald eagle was the national bird. But I guess it was never

the national bird. The bald we never had a national bird. The bald eagle is now officially the national bird of the United States. This after President Biden signed some 50 bills into law, including one that amends US Code to give the bald eagle that special status. Congress adopted the design of the Great Seal with the bald eagle front and center in 1782 but the bird hadn't been legislatively designated as the national bird.

The bill was spearheaded by Minnesota lawmakers, which is fitting, since the state has the second highest number of bald eagles after Alaska. All right, so I have asked John as a follow up ask question, What did Benjamin Franklin suggest to be our national bird before he suggested the bald eagle the turkey Correct? Well, that was disappointing. He's all over the place. Is the reason disappointing? You knew that one. All right, let's do the next Adam. All right. All right. All right. Okay, so

here's another one. This is a good one. This is politifex Lie of the year. Uh huh. You probably know the answer this, no, let's go. I don't I don't know. Okay. Well, this go the this is the clip one is introduces the lie of the year question. It's safe to say the 2024, campaign cycle was unlike

any in modern American history. The team at the fact checking organization PolitiFact investigated hundreds of claims made this year by political figures to separate fact from fiction, as Ali Rogin reports one comment stood out as politifacts 2024, lie of the year. All right, do I play the jingle? Here is this where I get to play the jingle? You can play a jingle. Will he know? Will he won't? I don't know, but

here we go. Now. Oh, I go. No, wait, if I was gonna answer this, if I was trying to psych this question out, I would lie of the year for last year, especially during the election, I would, I would say, like blood. Remember the bloodbath? There's gonna be a bloodbath. That's a that's a whopper. No troops in combat zones. Another good one, yeah. Harrison Hitler, that's a lie. Hitler. Hitler, there's a good one. Fascist threat, the democracy the end of voting. Yes, yes. How about the

grid? The grid is going down. Oh, the grids go Oh, yeah. Oh, that's a great lie of the year. Yeah. So what's your guess? My guess is Joe Biden is as sharp as attack. That would be the top to me. Joe Biden being sharp as attack is the lie of the year. Here it is. Here's the lie of the year. Okay, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the kids. They're eating they're eating the pets of the

people that live there. Wow, this is what's happening in our country, and it's a shame that's that was the lie of the year. Wow, that's not a lie. They're eating the dollars. Let's listen to their explanation, and I have a commentary to give you about the history of politifacts, bull crap, lies of the year. Those untrue comments set off a firestorm on the campaign trail and had a profound impact on the residents of Springfield, Ohio.

Now it's been named lie of the year. Katie Sanders is the editor in chief of Politifact, and joins me now, Katie, thank you so much for being here. First of all, is there any kernel of truth to this? And also, how does PolitiFact determine whether something is an outright and deliberate lie

versus other types of untruths. When Trump and Senator JD Vance were asked about this lie, and they were asked to defend it, as so many officials and journalists were saying there was no evidence to support it, they kept talking about reports they heard from television in Trump's case or from constituents in the Ohio senators case, and they

basically said that is enough for us to make this claim. It's enough of a basis, but people make reports to police and other agencies all the time, and that just prompts an investigation.

That doesn't mean that something actually happened, and Trump and Vance were circulating screenshots of allegations and police calls that were about geese, not people's pets, that were later taken back by the people who made them, who told journalists they regretted it. JD Vance even acknowledged that these reports he was hearing from his constituents might turn out to be false, but when they did, when they turned out to be empty, he just kept the.

Ending the lie anyway, saying he could do that to bring attention to Springfield's immigration experience. Yeah, yeah. Blah, blah, okay, so let's look at the lies of the Year from these guys. They started doing this in 2009 and their first lie this, the lies of the Year from PolitiFact are always something to do with Republicans. Always a Republican. Always there's no there's Joe Biden. Sharpest

attack. This is the best Joe Biden, blah, blah, but no, no, no, he has to be Republic, the first one in 2009 the first lie of the Year from PolitiFact was Sarah Palin's saying death penalty, right? Oh, goodness, yes, got it. And by the way, death panels became what they are, which is death panels. They still do them. Yeah, we have them everywhere now every year. So then you get country. So then there was just a lull of various weird lies. And then we get soon as Trump shows up, 2015,

lie of the year, Trump's campaign misstatements. Wait, wait, the lie of the year is a specific is a lie, not a a bunch of misstatements put into a bag and called lie of the year. Okay, well, that's okay. Let's let that slide. 2016 Trump again for saying the term using the term fake news, that's a lie. That's a lie. Wow. That should be worth term of the year. Is what it should be, 2017 Trump again, Russian election interference is a made up story.

No, it wasn't made up, even though it was made up, yeah, but that's, Trump's lie of the year. We can go up to 2019 Trump's claim that whistleblowers got Ukraine call almost completely wrong. What? I don't even know what that means. It was a perfect goes on. I mean, I could just one year after one couple more, yeah, uh, let's go to 2021. Lies about January 6. You know, wasn't an insurrection I tried

to have. You know all this Trump's Trump, Trump, Trump, and we finally switches over to Kennedy in 2023 out of the blue vaccine. Vax, once Kennedy becomes a Republican, they wouldn't Kennedy's been saying the same stuff for 20 years, but now he's a republican lie of the year. Can say Robert Kennedy's campaign of conspiracy theories is the the lie of the year. Again, it's not a single thing. It's a bunch of things. So this political fact thing that the fact that he even got, again,

another example of NPR uselessness. This is just a propaganda tool. That's great. I love that. I think, I still think mine was better sharp as attack, because everybody could get in on that one. Sharp as attack, that's the best one. Yes, that would be the lie of the year. Yes, you should have, that should have been it. We you know, it's just we're so lazy, but we should do stuff like this. I mean, so here we are. Everyone's doing lie of the year. They write it in November.

Oh, let's do live the year. So we could take off for Christmas. Now, we got bird flu. We're just doing a show for you and and pulling this nonsense apart, but we should be doing this stuff. We need to do the award show. I told you this years ago, that we should do the Podcast Awards and some other award shows. It's so dumb. They have the podcast Hall of Fame. Oh, Adam, would you please come to Miami in January and and be the host, the emcee

of the podcast, Hall of Fame? I'm like, No, not gonna do that. But how does it even make you do it for five grand or 10 grand? No, I wouldn't do it for any grand. No, you wouldn't do it for any grand. No, no, no, because it makes no sense. The podcast, how many people were involved in early podcasting? How this has been going on for 20 years? They've been doing a Hall of Fame. By the way, it's only Americans. There's never any other people in it.

It does, it doesn't make any sense. Podcast Hall of Fame. No, then we can get you a ticket to the to the pod fest. They weren't even going to pay for the pod fest. They weren't even gonna pay for my flight. But that wasn't the criteria. I'm just like, No, I don't want to do that. They weren't gonna pay for your flight. No, give you a ticket to the pod Fest in case you didn't, in case you missed it. There's no money in podcasting anymore. It's all dried up, all the

a lot of it is dried up. Yeah? What comes and goes. It's a cycle, yeah, oh, it'll come back, it'll come back, and it'll always be some some new format, and some content, you know, some like, what was the one that was triggered the real serious true crime, serial, serial, yeah, serial, one shot. It's a one shot. Is a one, yeah? It was like, one hit. Wonder it was. It came at the perfect moment everybody was binging, Breaking Bad on Netflix, like, Oh, this is

great. I can binge remember that binge or binge was binge, binge watching. It was the word of the year, I'm sure, binge watching. And then all sudden, along comes audio only, mystery, true crime, and you couldn't binge listen it. You had to wait until the next episode The next week, and people liked it. They were standing around at the water cooler talking, oh, what? What do you think? Did you Did he do it? Is it true?

And by the way, this also completely discredits the whole you've got to have video for your podcast to be successful. That's nonsense. Not a single True Crime podcast does video, it's all audio. People like it's the number one category for and women especially, they love it, morbid creatures that they are. They like true crime. Maybe we should do two crime, True Crime podcast. He's too much work. Anyway, I wanted to play this, this interview. Before you play

it, I do have a short shorty, a nine second clip. Oh, okay, because this is another this PBS and this is bull crap. This is the clip that is Chris maca. Oh, Chris Micah and for the first time in almost 20 years, Christmas and the first night of Hanukkah fall on the same day. Some have given it the nickname Chris Micah. No, they haven't. I've never heard anybody say this wasn't that didn't Adam Sandler do that in a song? Maybe. I mean, that's possible, but nobody says Chris Micah, nobody.

Let me see this. It has a Wikipedia PBS giving us this bull crap. Now it has, it has a it has a Wikipedia entry, yeah, let me see when this start with Chris MC, by the way, because someone sent us an email about it. I looked up the form 990 for Wikimedia, the people behind Wikipedia. Oh, yeah. People are all adamant about what's going on there with their dei stuff. Do you know how much money they they raked in in 20, 2310s of millions. Try again. Hundreds of millions. $245 million

yeah. And most of it goes to hating Whitey, yeah, this is a slush fund. This is a hate there are hate group, so slush it's a hate group. It's really, it's, it's a slush fund for other stuff, and they send it all over the world. Yeah, it's not. They don't even use it for their own servers. They should, like, you know, this reminds me of the collapse of some sir, almost the collapse of certain podcasts. Who I'm gonna, you know, they asked for money, value for our value for value. Money goes to

to the podcast. It pays the bills. We don't take a chunk of money that people donate to us and then give it to somebody else. We don't do that. No, God no. It's like, if you want to give it to them, go give it to them. Why you? What would you give it to us? To give it to them? Yeah, that's not right, no. And so this happened with the Adam Carollo, when he was asking for money for something. Oh, there was the podcast patent

suit. Yeah, the podcast patent suit, yeah. So, so podcasts that were collecting money for their podcast and then giving it to him, yeah, well, this is what Wikipedia is doing. Why are they taking this money instead of just building up their site, making things better? Well, trust editors giving it to other. Trust me. This is not coming from people sending in their $35 to Wikipedia. This is intelligence money.

Wikipedia can't be trusted. This is the primary, this is, no, they can't this is the primary ingest method for for anyone fact checking or any AI that is slurping up the internet. No, this is, this is intelligence operation, $245 million I think not. I mean seriously, well, there's definitely Intel money involved. Now with that, I'd like to thank you for your courage. Say in the morning to you, the man who put the C in, Chris MCCA, say hello to my

friend on the other end, the one and only, Mr. John. C'mon. Yeah. Well, in the morning, curry, also in the morning, those ships see boots on the ground, feet in the air, subs in the motor all the names of nights out there in the morning, oh, we're down. Trolls down. 1726, wow. I was predicting 1600 I thought it would be around 1500 honestly, but I'm surprised. I'm in you know what? These trolls who are here, we appreciate every single one. There's still

a lot of trolls listening. That's amazing. It's amazing anybody listens to us. You think about it, well, there is that aspect. Amazing anybody listeners? So damned entertaining. Yeah, well, we do keep getting emails of people saying, you know, I just feel good after listening to your show. I hope so I get the news and then you make me laugh about it. Yeah, that's what we do. We're a comedy show. Look us up under the comedy heading on Apple podcast.

So these trolls are trollroom.io that's where they you can listen in. You can join the troll room from there. Or you can get a modern podcast app, please. It's podcast apps with an s.com and there you can find pod verse, fountain curio caster, cast O Matic, podcast guru, a whole bunch of them, all with modern features, including those wonderful chapters that Dr Scott does for us. He does that with the artwork that we get from our artists, which I'll just go straight to that because

we have no agenda. Art generator.com, part of our value for value don't steal it. We're gonna sue you for our vibe, our value for value proposition, which is, we work for you. We provide this as a service, a we believe it's a valuable service. We just ask you to send something back in return. People do all kinds of things for us. We love it when you send us money so we can pay the bills, as John justice just discussed.

But we also take time and talent as treasure being the third one and the artists, which now seem to be pretty much prompt jockeys, but they're out there. Yeah? Well, yeah, this is what it is, I guess, for now. I mean, eventually we'll get back to real art. Real art will never go away. I doubt it. Yeah, what you don't think, you think is going to be AI for the rest of our lives. We're less it'll be just, it'd be as when we when it first started off, when it was like

90% real art and 10% AI, it's just flipped. It'll be 90% AI and 10% real art. It won't, you're right, it won't completely disappear. It's kind of sad to think about it. Well, they upload to no agenda Art generator.com which is still a very valuable service. Sir Park Latour, put that together for us years and years and years and years ago, and we still use it twice a week. And this is where any artist and even prompt jockeys can upload their art, and we gladly use that as the

album art for our show. We use it for promoting the program. It looks good in the podcast apps. And we always like to thank the artists who brought that for us. And I think this was a new artist, Susanna Leah, did the artwork. Always looking for something traditional, which Susannah Leah understood very well. She gave us a Merry Christmas, no agenda. Tree in the background looked like the balloons, balloons and candies. I guess there were a number of different Christmas pieces, of

course. John, immediately, was I like the cheesecake? Yeah, the cheesecake one is really good. But no, then you wanted just the tip by Francisco Scaramanga, which you thought it was cute. The girl is biting the snowman carrot nose. Yeah? Okay, John, like we didn't, we didn't know what that was. All about missing it, yeah. And by the way, I should mention that I did use that for the newsletter. It's a very for a scaramonger, because Cara manga normally uses, it does stuff that has got more

dimensionality. It's not cartoony, like this piece is. I just thought this piece was extremely well executed by the AI deliver whatever he's doing there. Yeah, yeah. Well, we knew exactly what was being insinuated there, and I'd Nix that. I'll have none of that. Well, I used it anyway, yeah, well, you can use it on your newsletter. That's fine. You mixed it because you're a prude. You saw into it things that didn't exist. It is a carrot. It existed was unnecessary.

Let's see. We had a couple Grinches, we had Santa slays. We had what else did we have here? We had and it was nice. There were other Merry Christmas bits, but a lot of them from Scara manga, with bits and boobs a lot, and Darren, Darren O'Neill. It's like Darren's and Scara Mangus. Those two girls in the Santa outfits with the with the legs, yeah, it looks like they're using the same software. Oh, those two pieces, Merry

Christmas by O'Neal and cheesecake for whatever. There's this basically the same piece, yeah, but it's like we're already two old white guys. I mean, do we really have to ham it up like that? This, those guys are, like, deteriorating in their, yeah, in their, in their lasciviousness, that way, lasciviousness, there you got, yeah, we were in the hotel room, and Christina and Kevin, her her fiance, were coming by to celebrate Christmas dinner with us. And so I tried to find on

YouTube. I was like, how about just some nice, you know, like, I want the you log, only want a Christmas. Scene, and YouTube is filled with videos that are Christmas scenes, but it's all AI, and you got people jerking around, and it's so obviously AI, you can't even get a normal, like Christmas scene, like you used to be able just get to Rockefeller Plaza. You know, you could see people skating on Rockefeller Plaza. You can't get that anymore. No, it's all AI swap.

I feel like culture is going down the drain. I really do. Oh, yeah, what can I say? A couple of weeks in Europe, and next thing you know, you've turned into I know I got to get back to Texas quick, where things are positive, Texas, where the conspiracies are thriving, back to the hill country. Thank you all very much, artists. We appreciate you very much for for doing this. It's always fun for us after we've done a show, then sit down and look at the art and laugh.

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eating the people's pets. Timothy Wilkinson, you got it in Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats. They're eating they're eating the pets. Of the people that live there, I love that. Everyone in Europe knows this. They all love it. It's so good. Well, when we first heard it, you had to fall in love with it, because the debate was not going that well.

And she was snickering and snickering, and she's looking at him, and she's making faces, and she's got her hand to her face, and she's she's doing a great job of scene stealing during the debate. Got the big smile on her face and everything, yep, yep. And he's just looking for something to say to get some some attention to himself. And he drops this bomb out of the blue and and it just goes to show that in this day and age, that's what works. But not.

There's no one out there talking about the coconut tree. You know, there's no memes. And actually, I would say that the way this got around the most is there were one or two, possibly YouTube videos where guys were had sampled this. They're eating the dogs. And I did whole songs about it. Everyone saw those songs. Yeah, it was, it was just, it was, it was something to behold,

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got some China clips, all right? I like China. I have a couple China minerals. China's dominance over the supply of critical minerals in the spotlight today, the select committee on the Chinese Communist Party details their findings and proposed solutions, and today's Melina Weiss cup was at that meeting on Capitol Hill. She brings us the latest and they listed their findings after investigating the ways in which the US is dependent on the Chinese Communist Party for

critical minerals. Why is this important? Because those critical minerals are used to produce key elements such as semiconductors, anything from basic consumer goods all the way up to advanced military technology. So it's a real problem, the fact that the Chinese Communist Party has

dominance over those minerals. So what they lawmakers did is they tried to find ways in the US that we can streamline the production and processing here mine for those minerals and try to loosen up some of the dominance the Chinese Communist Party has over them. They're also today introducing three pieces of bipartisan legislation that is Republicans and Democrats coming together to try to find solutions in this area, to help us be more independent in the critical minerals arena.

I spoke to the Chairman John Molinar about their efforts here. Why is it crucial to address this issue? Here's what he told me, as well as one of the Democrats that's also on this committee, listen, what do you think is the most crucial step that will have the most beneficial outcome? You know, I think the area of allowing the Department of Interior the Secretary to do an analysis of what friendly nation.

We can work with who already are mining, who already are processing, and identifying how we can immediately lessen our dependence. To me, that's a very good first step, and then we need to build the stronger infrastructure of doing things here. Okay, this morning, by the way, there was a report they're going after Apple the Republic of Congo, or the Democratic Republic of Congo, or

the Congo for slave labor, slave labor, children. Well, it seems as if the Rwandans are going into the Congo and stealing minerals, which are then used in the Apple iPhone. Even though this is a stretch, it's China. They don't even mention China, because China is the one that makes the Apple iPhone. It's, they're not making it in, you know, here in Milpitas. Well, it's assembled in the USA. We're not using the minerals here. The minerals aren't going

here, no. So there's something sketchy about this. There's trying to gouge the apple. I think they're just putting it well, you know, Apple is on deck to be gouged. Apple is we think, yeah, yeah. I think they've been gouging their customers for years. So there you have that. Yeah, but they're on deck to be usurped by someone. Somehow, something's gonna happen. They have not had, how I'm gonna use the phrase a moon shot since Steve Jobs died. You know, that's the stupid Apple vision

Pro, which I like the idea of spatial computing. But no, they don't really have anything. It's just because they're, they're Apple intelligence. They can make emojis. Man, I tell you, every single one of the millennials, so these are all between 25 and 28 years old at the Christmas Shindig. They love my flip phone. They're like, this is cool. I want this. They all wanted that flip phone. And I'm not sure why exactly did you ask? Yeah. I said, Why exactly? And I said, Well, it's

different. And everybody, you know, they all, I will say, they all have set limits on they've removed tick tock. They've all removed tick tock. It's like, no, no, I had to, I had to get stuff done. I had to remove tick tock. I was addicted to tick tock. They say that hands down. And so you can put limits. I, I'm, I don't know if it's on Android, but you can, on the Apple iPhone, you can put a, like a two hours per day limit, and then after the two hours up, you can't use two hours of

Tiktok. No. Instagram. Oh, even worse. Yeah, yeah. I'll play part two of this clips. Now there are several issues at hand here, but one of the main issues that we heard from all of the lawmakers is the issue of processing. So in a sense, what happens is that when we do have those minerals, we send them to China for the processing and then buy them

back. So we're essentially losing money to be able to have that processing done in China, and at the same time giving the Chinese Communist Party more control over those critical minerals. Now, the chairman also listed how dependent we are, so I'll just give you a couple of examples here. So the Chinese Communist Party processes 95% of the world's manganese, 73% of its cobalt, 70% of the graphite, and 3% of global nickel. So you can see how much of a hand the Chinese Communist Party really

has over those key minerals. One Congressman that I spoke to had very interesting ideas. He gave an example of lithium and the innovation that could be used in order to make lithium obsolete, in a sense, so that we could change the game, change the way things are working, so that all of the money and research that the Chinese Communist Party has put into those minerals could be pointless, and then we could really have the upper hand. Listen what this Congressman had to say. Maybe, maybe lithium

becomes obsolete. It's not needed because of any material that can actually do it better than lithium. And then what you've done is you've changed the paradigm so they stifle it here, where we do it much cleaner. And so what happens? The capacity is shipped over overseas, to to China, where they don't really care about the environment. I mean, all you got to do is go to China. I was there about seven years ago. I didn't see the sun for 10 days. Why? Because all the pollution.

No. Brother, hmm, yeah, you know, then get rid of the lithium and use something different. Yeah. I mean, come on, what are you gonna use? They finally, I think they're trying to pass bills now to outlaw, you know, unapproved or non certified lithium ion batteries, particularly ones using E bikes, etc, no, because, you know, New York is like, this stuff is burning down buildings, yeah. Well, these things are dangerous. They just Yeah, stop.

You know, publishing, what about the climate change agenda? They're bringing it on themselves. How about themselves? How about this pedal? It's the concept, what pedal? Actually? Pedal a bike. Pedal your bike. Yes, I'm. Launching this new meme, pedal your bike. You don't need an E bike. Just pedal. It's good for you. You'll be healthy. You get your you know, with gear, with the something, there's a process. It's a mechanical process called gears. No, yes,

you can actually pedal fast. You can pedal faster and faster and faster with the same basic effort. But who because of gears. But who are we kidding? John, these are the coffee Badgers, the coffee badgers. Badgers, coffee coffee badgers. Yes, it's a concept called Coffee badging. Yeah, I never heard this, neither had I but here's a CNBC report on the topic meet Mr. A every morning. Mr. A strolls into the office at 9am swiping

his badge with perfect enthusiasm. He hits a few meetings, grabs coffee with colleagues, and keeps the daily buzz going. But here's the twist, come noon, he sneaks out, heading home to wrap up his work in comfort. By around five, he's clocked out. Mission accomplished. Mr. A has redefined the nine to five in his own terms. And interestingly, this trend also has an a new trend emerging in the back to Office push, and that is coffee badging. Coffee

badging is two worlds colliding. It's employers wanting to get their workers back into the office, and employees desire to really have more flexibility on the job. And so that's coming together in this trend of coffee badging. Coffee badging is happening because workers are using this as a soft revolt against their return to Office mandates that companies have put out, and they just like, badge in, have a coffee, check in with their colleagues, do some work, and then leave their office

early. There it is coffee badging. Why is it called Coffee badging? Because you use your badge to check in because, you know, we don't know this anymore, yeah. Well, what's the guy? Wait, I have a cup of coffee. But I guess it has, you had to have a cup of coffee, don't you that? Mean, it sounds like no, no. You have no. You're misunderstanding the process is you sign in with your badge every every office. We don't know this anymore, because we don't have an office.

You walk into the, I know the process, you have a little badge. Yeah, everyone's checked. And the cool gig, the cool kids, have a badge on a kind of a spring thing. You pull it out of a of a thing, and you and then you let it go, and it snaps back back. Yes. Okay, so you're now registered, because everything these days is registered, and you know, that's why they have the mouse movers and all this. Yeah, this is the now, I'm not exactly sure, but I guess it's somehow different than having a

punch clock. It's the same thing. Yes, then you get on your bake, a light phone, and you send some memos from your typewriter, but yes. And then so you go in, you do a meet. He's checking with her, hey, hey, good morning. GM, how you doing everybody? Pura Vida,

Okay, how's it going? And you do a meeting. And then at noon, you triple out, and you go home and you sit on your laptop, or you have your mouse mover working, that we have no productivity, or we have too much middle management that doesn't need to be here. That's probably the real problem. Well, that's the real deal. But what's what's got to do with coffee well, because you go in and you say hi to everybody around the coffee machine. That's so everyone sees your face.

So looks like, you know, we I saw him this morning. Yeah, he's around. He's probably in his Oh, I see his mouse is moving. He's in the office. Okay, yeah, I have another there's a phrase that I heard over the over dinner, and I want you to tell me if you know this phrase, what? What is it when a person dips? When a person dips? Yeah, yeah, this I'm told by Jay and Brandon, oh, everybody knows this term. I have to say I am not familiar with the term. I didn't know it.

Either. I don't know. I've never heard it. Is it dipping tobacco? That's, well, that would be odd. That would be what it should mean, yeah, yeah, no. It means Leave, leave. That's dipping you dip. Yeah. They were talking about Oh yeah. JC and just gonna come over, then they're gonna dip. That's what she said. Just says this. And of course, anybody that says stuff like this at my table, they get a they get a grilling. I'm not that old, so I bring it up. What is this supposed to mean? What is this

an idea? Are you gonna start using this kind of street art? Gotcha Yes, at the table. Well, if you're gonna end up being grilled about it, yes, and what kind of gang member you're getting this from, well, you should tell them is, if you do that, you're a dipshit. There you go. Actually, there's a dipshit gag that was involved in the whole thing. But, well, you know who?

Not dipping is these poor astronauts who are still on the space station, more than six months after starting what was supposed to be an eight day mission to the International Space Station. Astronauts Sunita Williams and her space station family are now preparing to spend the holidays right there in space. Welcome to the International Space Station as we get ready for the Christmas

holidays, it's a great time of year up here. We get to spend it with all of our family up on the International Space Station. There's seven of us up here, and so we're going to get to enjoy company together. Williams and fellow astronaut Butch Wilmore were less stuck aboard the ISS back in June, after a leak in their Boeing spacecraft made their return trip impossible, a SpaceX resupply mission gave them gifts and fresh ingredients

to make special meals just for the holidays. The pair were supposed to come home back in February, but a delay in launching their replacements means they'll actually have to wait until March or April to come back to Earth. Something is wrong here. Elon, I agree, but I tell you, the overtime must be unbelievable. Elon, you know, had the opportunity to be the hero, to show to shine all over Boeing to send up a starship and bring them back home safely. Instead, he sends up hats and a Christmas

tree and a canned ham. You know, I'm thinking there's, there's an issue with the docking, or that there's been so many maybe this, maybe this thing is a dud, maybe, maybe they can't dock anymore. I have a bad feeling about this. It doesn't make sense. And yeah, Elon should have brought him back in February. Should have been done deal that would have been perfect. Yeah, now they put it off another month or two, not more than that, march, march or april, month or two or three.

Okay, on Elon, just for a moment, we're still the M 5m. Is still trying to break up the bromance between Elon and President Trump and Jen pasaki, who was clearly drunk in this clip is adding her part. So now, of course there's lots of speculation about when his Tell me that's not drunk. Wow, plastered. So now, of course there's lots of

speculation. So now, of course there's lots of speculation about when his this relationship might, as has happened so many times over the years, with Trump's generals and people, feels kind of inevitable, right? I mean, the thing is, this is not going to be the same, though, as Trump casting aside a Scaramucci or Rex Tillerson, because Elon Musk is the richest man in the world. He owns a social media megaphone, a platform where he has over 200 million followers, and we just

saw the power he wields over the Republican Party. He also has billions of dollars in government contracts. I mean, we're relying on Space X rockets to get American astronauts to space and back. This is not an easy relationship to untangle my point. So yes, I mean, this breakup could happen, but if it does, and it may take longer than we suspect, I do think if it does, it's going to be very, very messy. Wow, that's an in depth report that brought nothing to the

party or the table. Why? But she was, yeah, it's a lead in to what, by the way, wasn't Elon Musk going to buy MSNBC, you dopes. Well, that was that. That was a lark that he put, somebody put out there, and then someone amplified it. But it all freaked out. I will say it's getting to Trump just a little bit, just a tiny, tiny bit. As you saw, the President Elect acknowledged the line that Democrats have really seemed to

latch on to during the budget negotiations. President musk, take a listen to one response that the President had, President Elect at Russia, Russia, Russia, Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, all the different hoaxes. The new one is President Trump has ceded the presidency to Elon must? No, no, that's not happening. But Elon has done an amazing job. Isn't it nice to have smart people that we could rely on?

I think it's getting to him just a little bit well, they they know how to needle fraud him, and they've been doing it, and they don't do it just a little bit, they all team up. And I think it, I mean, he knows what's going on, but he's it does. But I think it bothers him, Chris, it does, but it has been fantastic because Elon takes all the arrows and he just sits in Mar a Lago. I think Elon is a guy. That is the perfect foil. Fantastic. He can put up with

it. He's Asperger's, you know, plus plus one. And he's like, you know, I don't seem to care. He's he's more impervious to complaints than than Trump is, speaking of Asperger's plus. This was a very interesting interview with our Pennsylvania friend, Senator John Fetterman, which, I think what was this on, was

this, I think it was ABC. And I don't even know if, if he knows what he was saying, because they cut this, you know, because he's very his speeches, although his speech is better, he just goes off the rails. He does the weave, but never comes back. And they edited this. There must have been, I stopped counting after 1010, edits in this one piece, and he's like, Oh, I'm kind of, you know, we got to stop this nonsense. He's pro Trump. It was, I thought he is really interesting. I'm just a

regular Democrat. I'm not leaving my party, but I'm not sure why some of the things that I've chosen to do, like meeting with nominees and having views that might be more aligned with some of the Republican side, I think that's part of politics. Like I've been warning people like, You got to chill out, you know, like the constant, you know, freak out. It's not helpful. So, you know, pack a lunch. Pace yourself. He hasn't even taken office yet, because I'm not rooting against

him. If you're rooting against the president, you are rooting against the nation and and I'm not ever going to be where I want a president to fail so country first. I know that it's become maybe like a cliche, but it happens to be truth. You have a singular political talent. It's undeniable. Trump, you know, he had the energy and almost a sense of fearlessness to just say all those kinds of thing and people, it's, it's undeniable that it has an

entertaining aspect for that too. I never believed that it was about fascism, and for me, that made it difficult for Harris said that he was a fascist. Well, it's like, that's a prerogative. I mean, but, but it's not a word that I would use, because you put a lot of Democrats, especially in my state, that I know, and I happen to love, people that are going to vote for Trump, and they are not fascist. And also fascism.

That's not a word that regular people, you know, use that, you know, I think people are going to decide who is the candidate that's going to protect and project, you know, my version of the American way of life. And that's what happened. Unbelievable. He's, he's, I'm glad you got that clip. He's an okay guy. He's an okay guy. The one point he makes in there, which I didn't consider at the time, but it should have been considered, which is, he's right about the word fascist. Nobody

knows what that means. Yeah, they think they do. You know, there's just, it's just like, it's a term from World War Two and before, I mean, it became a thing in the 20s, and it became a movement Fauci out of Italy, actually. And then it became a party, and then it became part of the Nazi ethos, and say. And then it disappeared from use, and it hasn't been used since, in any real sense, ever since. And so what 20 year old or 30 year old even knows what it means or

cares? Well, the Democrats are pounding it out fascism fashion lie of the year. It should have been. But no, yeah, he's, he's got a he's very common sense. Ish, yeah. And by the way, the Italian guys, 40 and over, they understand what Fascism is, because they say the European Union, Brussels fascist. And they're right, that's the definition of fascism, right there, yeah. Well, the Italy's really, you know, was the foundation of fascism. And so they would, they invent have it in their culture

and in their history. They invented it. They know what it's about. They invented it. They did good at it. It was and by the way, it was an academic movement out of the universities. You know, we went to a winery while we were in Florence. We went to the Castillo de versano, yeah, and I did not know that the Verrazano guy who has the castle there where they still do Chianti wine, that he's the guy that discovered the Hudson Bay, and that's the Verrazano Narrows

Bridge is named after him. Yeah, I didn't know that. Yeah, would you and you know how we, how we, how we ended up dead? Yes. Do you know how. Do you know how he ended dead? No, you get well, he went on to discover the Bahamas, and then there were cannibals, and they ate him. Well, that's what Joe Biden got that story. They tell you that on the tour they have behind the Bahamians, Bahamians cannibalism going on, and they ate this guy. That's

the story. They're looking for, an Italian meal. Was that the deal? Yes, pasta. Here we go get this Verrazano guy. So while they're while Fetterman is all lovey dovey with Trump, they the Congress the house decided to screw gates, who's been doing some screwing of his own, a new house ethics report is out accusing former congressman Matt gates of violating state laws regarding prostitution, statutory rape and

drug use. The 37 page report finds that gates paid women for sex or drugs on at least 20 occasions, and includes text message screenshots where gates asked women to bring, quote, a full compliment of party favors hotel. The committee says that this was a code word for ecstasy or other drugs. Another exchange shared by the committee an unnamed woman and gates seem to

be arguing over pay. When she asks gates, quote, so I'm not to be taken care of for last week, Gates respond saying, quote, I gave you 250 today and about last week says, quote, You gave me a drive by now, Gates is striking back at the report on his ex account, hosting or reposting about it more than 30 times since its release, writing in part, quote, they did this to me in a Christmas Eve Eve report, and not in a courtroom of any kind where I could present evidence and challenge

witnesses. Trump, meantime, continues to stand by gates late last night, Gates posting this picture with the caption, I got a great note from President Trump. The note is written on a printed headline of the story and reads, Matt, very unfair. So it was like $100,000 for 10 escorts. Yes, there was a that that is kind of distressing, eight grand, but the other there's other 100 grand. Yeah, there's a there's other aspects of the story that should be noted. Yeah, and there's three of them.

First off, the woman who accused gates, dude said she was 17 and accused accused gates. She's, I'm, according to one news report, and the reporter seems to be a real guy who used to work for Associated Press, claims she's actually in jail for pulling the stunt of sexual accusations. Oh, interesting. And she's in the slammer, okay? And so there's that one thing. The second thing is that lot of this is set up so gates can sue

Congress over the release of this information. Interesting, because they're not supposed to do so there's a lawsuit that's possible. And if this woman's in prison, I think that could, that could go through. And the third thing is, Marjorie Taylor Green has come out, and I think reasonably So, and says, if we're going to start releasing this sort of thing, let's

release all these. We have a ton of these things backed up. Of all the bribes that have been going on from Congress have paid off, you know, pages and bookers, $27 million yeah, it's some huge amount. It's a huge amount. If you're going to release this one report, let's release all the reports and later, let it go. Yeah, and I think she's right. Good idea. That would be fun, good for the show. That'd be great fun for

the show. And I bet you'd be great for this show, bitch. And Nancy Pelosi has a couple of them on her name, you wouldn't

be surprised. Yes. And then there's this, this report, which I'm troubled by both parties in our country, about this, Donald Trump's team criticizing President Biden after his decision to commute the sentences of most federal death row inmates to life in prison, a spokesperson for Trump's transition team saying, quote, these are among the worst killers in the world, and this abhorrent decision by Joe Biden is a slap in the face to the victims, their families and

their loved ones. President Trump stands for the rule of law, which will return when he is back in the White House after he was elected with a massive mandate from the American people, early yesterday, the White House announcing Biden is taking 37 people off a federal death row, not commuting, three individuals, one of two brothers responsible for the Boston Marathon bombing, Dylann Roof who killed nine people at a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, and

Robert Bowers, who killed 11 at Pittsburgh Tree of Life synagogue. In a statement, Biden pushed back against the use of the death penalty at the federal level, saying, quote, make no mistake, I condemn these murderers. Grieve for the victims of their despicable acts, and eight, for all of the families who have suffered unimaginable and irreparable loss. And good conscience, I cannot stand back and let a new administration resume executions that I halted the.

This is so troubling, because on one hand, you have the Democrats and Biden with a moral issue, saying, Hi, we can't kill people, but we all want abortion. And then, yeah, this has always been the classic irony, both the Democrats, the Republicans, yes, because the Republicans are pro life, except when it comes to executions, yes, like, how does the Democrats are pro death? Except

when it comes to executions, it's just like, what? And so people pick a side and then Biden screws this, I think is that just some other people that came on and gave testimony about the testimony, they came out and discussed this on these shows. And it's like, if Biden is going to do this, because he's so adamant about the death penalty, why did he leave the three guys still on death row? Yeah, if you're gonna do it, you you let everybody off. You don't have you don't pick three guys as

well. You know, these guys just said I drive draw the line with them. It just doesn't make any sense. I mean, it's against my morals, any kind of death. But if you're going to do it, give us the television, right? So we can broadcast live. But you've always wanted that. You know that I want to broadcast billionaire move, that's right. We want the the television, right? So the executions and the abortions, it'll end people's thirst for death forever. But that's

probably true. Ratings it's a positive thing to ratings bonanza. I'm telling you, it would be great they have that. They used to do, that they used to have the executions in the in the in the town square. Yeah, they did. Yeah, I know. Then we're gonna hide it. Now, hide it. So I have a clip that's interesting. Now, I don't know that this is true. I don't it's it looked like it was a PBS clip, I think because they

showed the video, and this is distressing. And at the same time, I like to see it done to somebody do a scientific version of it instead of this random thing. It could be bull crap, but it doesn't surprise me if it is true. This clip is the lizard DNA clip. Okay, I wanted to see what would happen if I sent my pet lizard DNA into 23 at me, and so, with the help of my wife, we extracted enough saliva to send off in the mail. We were so excited to see the results. After about three months, we

were shocked. My lizard was 51% Ashkenazi Jewish. He was also 48% West Asian. This was really interesting. They also gave us a little bit of his background and his history, what he liked to eat, etc, let us know which animals. Yeah, I don't believe in these DNA tests anymore, ever since we sent off two separate tests for our dog and they came back wildly different. It's I don't

trust it. I think is bogus too, but I don't I can believe that they'd send a lizard saliva in and get Ashkenazi Jew, which, apparently everybody in the world turns out to be a certain percentage of that. Yes, and that doesn't surprise me, since the company is founded by the woman who is married to an Ashkenazi Joe. I mean, there you go, but it's 23 they're not even in business anymore.

I think they're still doing testing. Oh no. Why would anyone say it doesn't mean they're not bankrupt, but whatever the case. Okay, so we heard, once again, this is 2024 the hottest year on

record for climate change due to climate change. And it was interesting to see that it had not snowed in the Alps, in the portion of the mini Alps where we went with for my brother in law's birthday party, there was snow there for the first time in five years, but it still is still the hottest year on record, and they were trying to keep it up over there on NBC.

It's the picture perfect Hollywood holiday, a white Christmas full of snow and wonder movies like It's a Wonderful Life, Merry Christmas, Home Alone, elf and countless more. And before the silver screen came Silver Bells, White Christmas and other iconic songs connecting snow and Christmas in our collective American psyche. But now the idea of a white Christmas may become a thing of

fiction this week. Mostly everyone, coast to coast, experiencing warmer than average temperatures, a big reason for the difference climate change. Climate change typically the highest chances of a white Christmas in the US are in the Upper Midwest, Adirondacks and northern New England, and in the West, higher elevation, Sierra mountain ranges. But climate change is continuing to drive up temperatures across the nation. Just last year, the National Weather Service.

Service reported only about 17% of the lower 48 experienced a white Christmas with one inch or more of snow on the ground, the lowest number since measuring that started in 2003 some of the biggest cities up north, like Washington, DC, Philadelphia and New York City haven't seen snow on Christmas day since 2009 the Environmental Protection Agency studied why, and says in almost 80% of locations, they're getting less snow and more rain.

But whoops, some might find a great news either way, the National Weather Service office out of New York, officially declaring it is a white Christmas. First time since 2009 there's a tweet. So they actually sent people out to measure at Central Park this morning at 7am and for those of you not familiar, there is a technical definition of a white Christmas. You've got to have one inch of snow on the ground. And again, this is all for bookkeeping. It can be relative.

I mean, if it's me and I look out the window and I see some snowflakes flying around. I'm calling it a white Christmas, but this is for the books, first one that we've had since 2009 and actually in oh nine, we had two inches of snow on the ground. So due to climate change, it snowed, I guess. What a crock. It really is. What? I guess people don't believe it anymore. It's just too bad, but we're spending so much money on it.

All right, to get this to wrap this, show up, John, I see you have them, so I guess some clips. But I mean, I could push through these around, because I have some I have a couple of news. Well, I wanted to play that. Yeah, I have two other ones. I got a couple of tick tock clips. I gave you the G list. Yeah, I know you did, but you didn't get cued to do that. You just did it.

You didn't press the button. I know I got this button here, and I didn't press I just want to play the climate mammoth found. I think this is interesting, because you talk about climate change. I had a climate clip. I should have seen it. I should have seen it. You're right. The climate mammoth story, it's important. It's big. Everyone's talking about it. Scientists in Siberia have unearthed what they say may be the best preserved

body of a wooly mammoth ever found. The 50,000 year old remains of the female baby mammoth are complete with flesh,

skin and bones. She's believed to have been just a year old when she died, they found her in the melting permafrost, which has been accelerated by climate change that's led to more prehistoric discoveries in recent weeks, including the 35,000 year old mummified body of a saber tooth kitten, also in Siberia, it was so well preserved, a lead researcher said its fur was, quote, surprisingly soft due to climate change. Climate change is great. There shouldn't be petting dead

animals. You get bird flu that way. Don't pet the dead animals. People stop it. I thought climate change, that was a good that's good side of climate change. Why they don't see it as a good positive. And it was a kitten. It was a wooly metal what was it? A Saber Tooth kitten. Kitten. Saber Tooth kitten. That's a new one Saber Tooth kitten. And now I have this one other clip I'd like to get out of the way, which is the Ukraine stolen Russian money.

Clip, oh boy. Officials in Ukraine say they've received the first billion dollars in promised loans from the United States, backed by proceeds of frozen Russian assets. Appears. Brian Mann reports from Kyiv that the funding comes as part of a $50 billion loan plan created by g7 leaders last summer. Ukraine's Prime Minister, Danish mahal said on

social media, the first billion dollars have arrived. That's out of 20 billion in loans expected from the US, with an additional 30 billion in support slated to come from other big industrial g7 countries, including Britain and Canada, we thank our American partners and the World Bank for this important step

toward justice. Mahal said the arrangement allows countries to support Ukraine's economy and military with massive loans, with payback coming from revenue from Russia's overseas assets frozen after the 2022 invasion, Russian officials have condemned the arrangement as fraudulent, posting on social media that loans and other support for Ukraine will prolong the war.

So what do they do with this money? Stealing money? I just find it deplorable, yeah, but they're going to spend it on war stuff, on us. Well, I don't know, maybe I hope so. All right, so I'm gonna play, I got three talk clips I can play three. Okay, yeah, is that too many mobile let's see how they do. Okay, well, let's start with the one, the trans girl. I don't know if it's a girl or a guy, a guy being a girl or girl being a guy. I guess it's a girl. You.

That is trans somehow. But whatever the case, she hates now, hates her dad because he voted for Project 2025 which I didn't know is on the ballot. You know, I had voted in this last election. I looked and I didn't see a vote there for Project 2025 but I guess maybe in some areas there was. Let's see what she has to say. Um, I took yesterday to be angry and miserable, and I also took yesterday to make the decision to block my father, who will still end up seeing this. So,

hi, Dad. And yes, I did block him because of who he voted for, because he knows that I am trans, and he knows that I have had two abortions, and he still voted for Project 2025 Which to me, is reprehensible. I have my husband who loves and supports me to the ends of the earth. I have my friends who love and support me to the ends of the earth, and I have other family members who love and support me to the ends of the earth, and I

genuinely do not need anyone else. I realize this is something not everyone is able to do safely, and I'm very grateful for my ability to do that safely. I cut my mother off until the day she died, and I can and will do that again. I find it also that terrible. I find it very sad that she's a sad these people are all sad. Yeah, there's another good example. This is the Christmas candy lady.

Christmas candy lady, okay, I just walked some Christmas candy that my neighbors make every year and leave on people people's porches. I just walked it back over to their house and stuck it on their porch and walked away. That's unlike me, but they've had their giant Trump take America back again flag up for months. They know my daughter's transgender. I've tried talking to them about it, kindly and gently, asking them not to do something that would basically destroy my child, and they

didn't care. So at this moment in time, I feel that it would be really hypocritical of me to accept a gift from them. I don't care that it's Christmas, okay. Me Christmas every day. Give my daughter the gift of safety, a bathroom she can use in her name and her gender. How about that? Give her that, and then you can do all the candy you want, until then you can take your candy back again. You know, the common theme here is narcissism. This is the common theme. These these people

are narcissists. It's all about them. It's not about her daughter and the other one's not about her. It's about her. And I, should, I should, you know? So we were at breakfast at the hotel in Florence, and, and we're sitting down and, and there's a whole bunch of people there. It's a busy, you know, it's a buffet breakfast. And right next was this table with mom, dad and two kids. And these kids, they're, you know, they're noisy. They're running around. You know, which would you ever

let your kid run around in a restaurant? No, no, of course not. You say, shut up. Shut up. You're bothering people. So the dad is just looking into space while Mom is on her phone. The whole time she's completely oblivious to the kids, to her husband, and then I think the father said, maybe one thing, hey, is Be quiet. And then it switched and then she was off looking into space, and he was on his phone. I mean, it's there's something inherently narcissistic about a

generation that's grown up with phones. And by the way, why are you putting this on tick? Tock, you know, the big question, yeah, I think you, you that's a very interesting observation, is, I've always felt the same way. Why are you narcissism, defining narcissism, why are you putting this on tick? Tock. Why? Exactly, what do you? What does it accomplish? Well, here, well, it's narcissism, and people pay attention to you and post comments like, oh, girl,

big thing. And Tina was showing this to me, the big thing this holiday season, the Christmas cheer, is a post that goes like this. This is a really difficult post. This is really difficult for me to tell you. And then it's, you know about, you know, my mom died, my dog died, my sister died, you know, I lost my job. It's like, why are you doing this? And I can only conclude the same thing, it's narcissism, and they thrive on

getting the you know, you're a victim. And by the way, it's mainly white women who have these horrible stories, and it always this is really difficult, and they're crying, but I think that just they they don't have any victim cards, so they need to be a victim by something horrible. And you know what horrible things happened in your life? It happens you.

But they need to put it on tick tock, or on reels or x these days, everything has the same video scrolling behavior, and it has something to do with very, very deep narcissistic behavior. I think you can blame the phones. Since you mentioned women, I do have the same thing only as a guy, uh huh. And of course, you can visualize what this guy looks like. Do I need to visualize him? Does there's always this kind of piggy like face and all these people, the women and the men, but this guy,

this is the dude who's done crying. Oh gosh, okay, dude, I'm done crying. My sadness is over. My anger has set in. I am a very petty person, and I am very proud of that little bit about myself, actually. And so I say this in the most disrespectful way possible. I don't care if you are my family,

I don't care if you're my friend. I don't care if we've been friends our entire lives, you can literally go fuck yourself if you voted for Donald Trump, if you are so sad about your groceries being expensive, get a better fucking paying job. Do better in life, get a fucking education. Do something because you're fucking stupid, and I hope you go jump off of a fucking bridge. Okay, we need warnings for these clips because kids listen to show with their parents, and it's all, I don't

care. I yeah, you're, you know, nailed it with the NAR. It's all narcissistic, yes, and it's pathetic. All right, let's play the logged in girl. Because I saw this one, I thought this was pretty okay now that now, now we switch gears. I liked her. I like so there. That's funny. You saw it, yeah. So we switched gears here. Instead of bitching and moaning about Trump Yes, or or having to disown your parents because the way they voted, because you, you know you, they have to vote the way you want.

This is a form of this is the same. This is also, I think, narcissistic, but it's but the target is different. And it's actually quite funny. I am so tired of logging into things. I'm tired of it. I can't believe I'm gonna have to log into things for the rest of my life. Just let me see my things. My things are right there. Just be logged in. Could we just be logged in for once? And don't, don't get me started on the Keep me logged in check box. Okay, this is the closed elevator doors button all

over again. I know bullshit when I smell it. If I ever see the person that programmed that little Jack box, it is absolutely on site. I just want to be logged and all you cyber security people that told them, that told the websites that we need to be changing our passwords every five minutes. You're next. I don't care if that makes me safer, I will go

ahead hack my shit. You're gonna hate what you find. Okay, I just would rather be logged in, and if one of you smart ass little punks comes into my comments and tells V I should be using a password manager that, oh, the keychain will fix all of this. Okay, I wish Bucha this can't be the future. Oh, I liked her. I liked her. Yes, that was pretty good. Okay, we finished with that. The keep me logged in box is kind of a hoax after grade. That thing rarely works for me either.

It works once in a while. Yeah, people don't. It's the closed elevator door button, which is usually not hooked to anything exactly I'm gonna show my school by donating to no agenda. Imagine all the people who could do that. Oh, yeah, that'd be fun. We do have some meetup reports coming and a rundown of the meetups that are on the way. And of course, everyone wants to

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we got together the same year. You two dudes created the best podcast in the universe, and we never had a fight. Actually, we have and I always want Merry Christmas in the morning. Very nice to hear lovely that meet up started this morning in Dallas. Fort Worth the mid cities meet up at 1130 as the Bourbon Street Bar and Grill. So I hope to get a meet up report from them for Sunday, the Fort Wayne. See, this is for, I'm sorry, my mistake, there's nothing, nothing today. That's

for Saturday. There you go. So that will be taking place 1130 and that's in Bedford, Texas, the Fort Wayne club, 33 year end. Man and cheese meetup, man and cheese meetup, 333 at Casa grill and bar in Fort Wayne, Indiana. That should be a good one. And then on Sunday, New Year's Eve. December 30, well, we will be doing a show. Is Sunday New Year's Eve? No, Sunday is not New Year's Eve. New Year's Eve is New Year's is Monday, Monday, no. New Year's Eve is Tuesday, Tuesday. Well, these guys are

nuts. Oh, I see what they call into New Year's Eve Eve. You're You're confusing the podcaster, New Year's Eve Eve and I like pizza. Steve, that's the whole meet up. Title, 330 on Sunday. Bald man brewing in Eagan, Minnesota. Oh, that's Steve bien and stra he's the he's our pilot. Go to hang out with him. He has lots of cool stories also coming up in the

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Are you going? Huh? You go? Oh yeah, I'll be there. Cool. 23rd Orlando, Florida. This is February. Then March st, Petersburg, Florida, safe and in the Netherlands. March 29 may 18, wow. Go to no agenda meetups.com and get the full list of every single no agenda meetup that's taking place. These are producer organized. It's like Ted. Walks only a lot cooler and you can get drunk. No agenda, meetups.com. If you can find one near you, start one yourself.

Sometimes you want to go hang out with all the nights and days. Feels the same. It's like a party. And at this moment in the show, we like to select the ISO that we'll be using to close out the show. Once again, I'm falling down on the job, doing very poorly with my with my ISOs, but I do have one, just one from an earlier clip we played no no and double No. That's really all I've got. That's not always pathetic. I got better ones. It's pathetic. Well, I know you got better

ones. You can. I have one that I took the original and then I edited it so it'd be shorter. Oh, okay, but I have two versions of the same clip. Okay, all right. And so it's one and two. Is this show over one? Merry Christmas Happy, Hanukkah happy, New Years, the show is over. It's too long. It won't fit in this five seconds. It won't fit in the outro. When I have it down as four seconds, well, let's speed it up. Okay, Merry Christmas Happy, Hanukkah happy, New Years, the show is

over. Okay, it's a contender. I'll take it, yeah. And what else? Two seconds, yeah, that'll do. That'll do. Okay, let's try these other two and see if they're better. I got done, yep, okay, we are done. Not bad. And then overall, ready? No, it can't be over already. No, I think Merry Christmas. Happy, Hanukkah happy. New Years, the show is over. I think that's the winner. And now, ladies and gentlemen, time for the top of the show. John's Tip of the Day.

Sometimes battle. Sometimes Adam, which is part of the tip of the day, seems a new segment is the complaining about the previous tip of the day discussion. Oh, who does this? Who's I do, I guess. But who's complaining? Who's complaining? Who's Oh, well, we have, we have Puerto Rican listeners, ah, and they're complainers, hey, oh yeah, yeah, they're complaining about a lot of stuff the Puerto

Ricans complained this note is kind of interesting. This came from one of the complainers, Carlos, and he complains about the Carlos the complainer, huh? Carlos the complainer? Yes. His last name starts with c2 so it's going to be very good. Carlos, the complainer, uh, talks about Adobe. Goy, Goya, Adobe, the seasoning is Puerto Rican in origin. And it should be

mentioned, it's Puerto Rican and and he went on and on. He him and two other guys have mostly complained bitterly and but Carlos, I think, is the one who said, Mexican foods no good. It's tasteless, and all they do is put hot sauce on everything and and of course, then another guy from Puerto Rico says, Well, you know the problem with the Goya Adobo, I said to everybody that just giving a tip for a spice. I don't care the details here, but Okay, all right. So they go on

and on about they should be not crediting Puerto Rico. But in this note, he said, I went back and forth with Carlos more than once. And he said he talked about the adobo, then he said on a different issue, you can call the company American. He's talking about the company started in Puerto Rico, or supposedly, or the guy came from Puerto Rico. It's a New York company. I'm part of a majority of the people of Puerto Rico who want to become a state

of the USA. Yeah, in Puerto Rico, we are born American citizens. We have the same passport as you do in the States, and there is no such thing as Puerto Rican citizenship. That's correct. We are subjected to the same federal laws and have federal courts here. The main difference

is that we don't pay federal taxes. Yes, that's it, which is attractive to millionaires of the states that more that come here more to avoid paying federal income taxes and receive excellent benefits of not paying or just paying a low local income tax. Another issue is that we can't vote in the presidential elections, but we can vote in the primaries of the GOP and the DMC. Yes. Our DNC, we don't vote in the election of the Commander in Chief, but we serve in the armed forces. Yes.

So the thing is, now see, so if you want to become a state, but you don't have to right now. You don't pay federal income tax. What are you complaining about? Shut up already so you could vote for the president. That's a swap I'd make. You got a good deal, as far as I'm concerned. So I now the end appeal, of course, doesn't start new thread, yes, but Carlos is of the group. Wants to become a state. And I think, Well, I think you said, I

admire our Puerto Rican listeners. I guess there's quite a few of them, yeah, because if three of them wrote in, that means there's at least 300 that probably Yeah, agree, and we'll let you in if you pay taxes and back taxes. I think it got a good deal going. But I know a lot of people who went to Puerto Rico during COVID, and they stayed, they never came back. They loved it. Yes, it's supposed to be gorgeous. A lot of trash. I hear, yeah, garbage. They can't

seem to figure out what to do with it. They don't have a federal garbage pickup. Anyway, we love you guys. We love you guys. So this week's tip is from nail tech. It's the nail bandage, instant nail bandage. Whoa, got it? Redundant. Name is it? If get it, Amazon is six bucks and 30 cents, which is screwball price, but so you crack a nail. Now, Mimi has her

own way of doing this, but I these things work great. You're cracking nail, which I did because I opening a can of the liquid death, I might add, I cracked the nail and the on the can, and so I it wishes a pain in the ass, because you got the catches on everything. You

know what I'm talking about. And so you put these little, it's a little piece of plastics very they're hard to get off their packaging, and some screwy product, but you get this little piece of plastic and put it over the nail, and it can't see it. It's completely invisible, but it covers up the it seals the little the crack of the nail. And I recommend this highly.

Now, Mimi has a she told me this is crap. And what she likes to do is, you got a crack nail, you put super glue, yes, super glue on the gun the nail, and then you coat it with clear nail polish. And if it's a real bad crack, you can put a very thin piece of fiberglass over your nails and do the same thing, glue it on. And I'm thinking, I don't think so. These little patches are great. They work fine. So that's my tip once again. What are they called? What is this called? This nail

bandage? It's available on Amazon by nail tech Tek. I have a tip of the day request I had for the longest time, and I think I bought it on an airplane, and I can't find it anymore. I had a scale that you use to weigh your baggage.

So you put, you hold it in your hand, and that has the little, the little digital readout, and then you clip it onto you hook it onto your luggage handle, and it tells you exactly how much your luggage weighs, which is handy, particularly with, you know, I don't want to be that guy who's unpacking his suitcase at check in, and I can't, for the life of me, find them

anymore. Wow, I'd never heard of such a thing, but it's a great idea for a product and be very easy to make nowadays with the digital Uh, yes, that, that dude's weighing Yeah, yes, I would love Sure. There's something out there that do the trick, and one of our listeners and producers will give us the answer to that. I should mention one of my experiences in playing around in Europe. It went like this. So I go into the your bags are two pounds overweight, yeah. And I said,

Oh, what's that going to cost? Well, you know, they had to fish. It's going to cost 2530 bucks. And so hold on a second. So I unzipped the bag, I took the two pound laptop out and stuck it under my arm, zipped the bag back up, put it through the scale, and so, okay, you're good to go. So then I took the bag off, put the laptop back in and checked it these days, you can't even pay extra for overweight it's a workman's comp thing. You cannot do that.

It's like it's if it's over 50 pounds, you're screwed. You got to take it out. And you can't. They will not check your bag. Well, there's always work around. Don't over pack. There you go. There you go. And that's your tip of the day, everybody. Thank you very much for listening. Tip of the day.net. Creative master, and sometimes Adam, he still hasn't called me. I'm a little irked about it. I'll tell him to call you. Yeah, well, he sent me, shoot me an

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cutest little hottie. All the boys think that he's sweet. He shot a CEO right in the back out on the street and rode a city bike into the park. So naturally, oh, Jing it, I did hot. Luigi the killer, Italian Christmas killer, because this is like regular, everyday person. Our hero, Luigi wore a mask to hide his killer, Hollywood face. He made a big mistake asking the server for a day a camera caught in clear state, he let his mask come

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