1716 - "Silver Buckshot"

A-b-b-b-b-b-b-b -b-b, b-b-b-b-b-b -b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b -b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b -b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b -b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b -b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b -b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b, Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. This is November 28th, 2024, this is the award winning Kimmel Nation media assassination episode 1760. This is no agenda. Turkey basting and broadcasting live from the heart of the Here in FEMA Region Number 6. In the morning everybody, I'm Adam Curry.

And from Northern Silicon Valley, where we all say happy Thanksgiving and go Lions! I'm John C. Duborek. It's Crackpot and Buzzkill! In the morning! Who are the Lions? Is this the Oakland Lions? Yeah, the Oakland Lions. What do they play? What do the Lions play? That must be a college team. I don't know about the Lions. You don't need to know. There's no reason for you to know. I'm with you. Oh, really? You're with me? You're with me. Hey, hey. You hear him? You hear the turkeys? Here we go.

We are ready for you all. I realize this morning, just as the Curry family tradition, I think many families around America, on Christmas, on Christmas Eve, we all sit down and we read, "'Twas the night before Christmas." And we read, "'Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the house not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse. All the stockings were hung by the chimney with care, with visions of St. Nicholas would soon be there, etc." So that is a tradition in America.

For Thanksgiving? No, that is a Christmas tradition. I'm now saying, for 17 years, the tradition within No Agenda Nation, within the household of No Agenda, has been John's annual explaining why Thanksgiving is bullcrap. And I just want you to know, it has reached so far and wide that it is now even on the radio here in Texas. People are talking about John's Thanksgiving explanation. I'll just play a little bit of it. This is on Hill Country Patriot.

John C. Dvorak, and John puts out a newsletter the day before each of their podcast shows. And so yesterday's newsletter came out, and I'm telling you what, it was this guy, I don't know, he's butthurt over Thanksgiving. John C. Dvorak is butthurt over Thanksgiving. And so I started reading his article, and let's see, he says, I'm always amused by the, and I'm not sure if I can use all these words, so I'm going to just clean my mouth.

I'm always amused by the bull stories about Thanksgiving being about pilgrim maize, turkeys, and Indians, when the holiday stems from, and then he goes into, and I just read it, it was like, man, John C. Dvorak, you completely missed the point. This goes on for five minutes. I'm glad they're picking up on this, on the reality, folks. By the way, he says later, you're not wrong, but you're missing the point. Yeah, I'm not wrong, but I'm missing the point. What was the point?

What did he finally conclude? Well, I mean, you want me to fast forward a little bit? I can skip past all of it. Listeners here, we know that throughout the history of this country, that it has been a regular, regular, starting with the pilgrims, yes, to set a day aside for thanksgiving to God. There it is. Just thank you, and yes, did it come with harvest? Yes, that's when a lot of the thanks, that's when we got the fruits of all our labor, literally. He's making it up. No, he's not.

Somewhere in there, he says, you're right about the history of it. Well, allow me to set everybody up, and then we can do the annual. I feel bad for people that don't subscribe to the newsletter. The whole essay is in there. I've been running it over and over. It's the same old filler. As you can see, it's just copy-paste. Copy-paste. Oh, wait, there's an error. Let me just change the spelling. The mainstream legacy media, that is Matt Long on Hill Country Patriot. He'll love me saying that.

They subscribe to your newsletter. It's show prep. It is literally show prep. Wait a minute, Adam, what was the name of the show again, and who was that? Matt Long Show, Hill Country Patriot. So, we do need to play the Chicago Museum of History. Did a nice little piece on WGN explaining Thanksgiving, and we will do that. Then we ramp up to have the annual explanation of Thanksgiving by our very own John C. Dvorak.

Long after the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock in 1621 and celebrated a successful harvest with a three-day gathering that became the first Thanksgiving, it was the first President of the United States, George Washington, who declared November 26, 1789, a day of public Thanksgiving.

While a lot of people trace the origins of the celebration of Thanksgiving in the United States back to the Pilgrims in Plymouth in the 17th century, our kind of contemporary understanding of it really has to do more with these proclamations that were made by various presidents. Chicago History Museum Director of Exhibitions Paul DeRicca says the holiday was observed on and off for years. President James Madison proclaimed a Thanksgiving Day in 1814 and 1815.

Thanksgiving as a national holiday really kind of takes shape and then becomes part of American culture in the 1860s. But it wasn't until October 3rd of 1863, in the midst of the Civil War, that President Abraham Lincoln made what is now regarded as the Thanksgiving Proclamation. He wrote, The year that is drawing to a close has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies.

He called the nation's people and its prosperity, quote, gracious gifts and said, It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be gratefully acknowledged. I do, therefore, invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States to set apart and observe that last Thursday of November next as a day of Thanksgiving. Lincoln's proclamation took effect just one week after his most famous speech, the Gettysburg Address.

Even though the United States is in the midst of this great Civil War and there are all of these challenges that the nation is facing, there's still a lot to be thankful for. It was the culmination of a decades-long campaign by a prominent magazine editor named Sarah Josepha Hale. She lobbied Lincoln for the holiday. Thanksgiving, establishing it as a national holiday, certainly stands as one of his enduring accomplishments.

And in the 1940s, Congress issued Joint Resolution 41, forever making Thanksgiving a public holiday. No wonder mainstream is losing viewers. Oh, brother. Well, a couple of things. I'll just throw in. Yes. The only thing correct in that report was Sarah being the one who initiated making this an annual holiday. Yes, that was good. That was good. Yeah, they got that part right, but the rest of it, the Lincoln Thanksgiving thing was all about the dead soldiers.

And they did that every year because of all the dead soldiers. It wasn't about anything else, really, and it was to honor the dead. And so that, you know, it was kind of depressing, to be honest about it. When this woman finally got it to become a national holiday, it became such, and it all began with dead soldiers. It had nothing to do with pilgrims or corn or anything like that. What? And then it evolved into, by the 30s, it evolved. This is new, by the way. It's not in the essay.

Somebody sent me this. Time to update the essay. I didn't know this. Time to update the essay. I'm going to update with this. So by the 30s, it was institutionalized as last Thursday of November. November, yeah. And Franklin Roosevelt wanted to move it up a week to the third Thursday, which then became known as Franksgiving. Oh, Franksgiving. Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Franksgiving. Because he felt, because it was in, I think it was in 39, it was 1939 he did this.

He felt that it was important to move it up a week to get Black Friday up a week to get an extra week of Christmas shopping. There it is. There it is. That's the true American tradition right there. That's the American tradition, but nobody bought it, so it died out. So, yes, this is kind of a fake phony baloney deal. Oh, man. Yes, of course. But it's a time that people get together and argue about politics. And what's so beautiful about Thanksgiving, you know, there's two ways to say it.

Thanksgiving. Around here, everyone says Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving. Not Thanksgiving. I grew up saying Thanksgiving, and here it's Thanksgiving. Well, I say Thanksgiving. It's Thanksgiving. I'm trying to get into Lexicon so I don't sound like a damn Yankee. Thanksgiving. Yeah, you don't want to sound like a damn Yankee. You want to sound like a Texan. You've been there since Thanksgiving. That's right.

Thanksgiving. Of course, even though Thanksgiving is not celebrated anywhere but in the United States, our fine tradition of Black Friday is celebrated around the world. This began around 2015, I think, and maybe even a few years before. Maybe a little earlier even, yeah. The internet. It started up. Because, yes, I know. Well, first, Halloween, which most of the EU countries spell Halloween, that was the first thing to kind of creep over.

So everyone could dress up like a schmuck or a sexy barmaid or whatever. Housemaid. Hookers. Hookers, yes. Basically, a hooker holiday. And they don't say Halloween. They say Halloween. And then after that, the internet really, once the internet, shopping kind of kicked in. So I think it was probably 2012 where it really was going strong. Black Friday. Everywhere. Black Friday. From Holland, from Amsterdam to Milan. Black Friday is all over the EU. And I would say in most of the world.

Black Friday. Of course, Amazon, a big part of that. And it's just wonderful. We are so happy. And then we always have the annual pardoning of the turkey. At the White House, President Biden honored an annual tradition for his final time in office. The pardoning of the turkeys. It's not always the turkeys you think he's going to pardon. But these are the pardons that he did. Take a look. Raised by the... Yeah, I hear you. Peach wants to speak a little bit. Peach weighs 41 pounds.

And loves to eat hot dish and tater tots. And cross-country skis. He lives by the motto. Keep calm and gobble on. Based on your temperament and commitment to being productive members of society. I hereby pardon Peach M. Blossom. And back to the view. But there's a much more serious pardon that many people are wondering about. And that is, people are wondering, should Biden pardon his son, Hunter? Or does that make him an even bigger target for you-know-who coming in?

We can't even celebrate Thanksgiving without some politicization by The View. That show's gotta go. Well, it's going to go. And then, of course, we have the biggest problem. Holiday heart syndrome. We're just days away here from the first major holiday of the holiday season, Thanksgiving. And you're tracking some medical news about something called, what, holiday heart syndrome? What is that, and what do we need to do to protect ourselves? You know, many people do not know about this.

I will say, one of the strongest memories I have is a nurse I presented after a weekend of overindulgence. With swelling in their legs, palpitations. And they had all the signs and symptoms of this condition called holiday heart syndrome. So I wanted to help educate. Educate me. Especially as we step into those days where most likely all of us are going to be overindulgent.

This is a reconstruction or reformation of the heart that happens from the fatty food, the salt, as well as the alcohol that we eat. And it can most often lead to an abnormal rhythm. A-fib or atrial fibrillation. It can happen to anyone, but those who are most at risk are those who have a history of heart disease. But again, it can happen to anyone, regardless of their condition, especially if binge drinking is involved.

And the symptoms that you want to look for are palpitations, leg swelling, dizziness, and shortness of breath. And the way to prevent this, of course, is to prevent the causes. Which is making sure we're mindful before we step into those holiday events. Mindful. Being mindful about salt, fat, and alcohol. Trying to limit and portion control as much as we can. This is bullcrap, of course. Of course. The reason for holiday heart syndrome is the stress of being with family. That's it.

The stress of being with family. And this is going to be another one of those years where people are stressed. Because, yes, you're right. Most divorce takes place between now and Christmas. Well, now that you brought it up, this is a very, very, very sad, sad moment here. One of our producers sent me a note. And Dan is his name. And Dan says, well, I'm going to be homeless for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Because he came home from work. And there was a note taped to the back door.

And I shall share it with everybody. Dan, you are no longer the person I fell in love with. You let hateful cult leaders brainwash the humanity out of you. Since you voted for a rapist, felon, fraud, and tyrant, I no longer want to share my home with you. Please find somewhere else to live by Christmas. Your vote for that orange piece of shit tells me that you think all women, including me, are second class citizens. Don't deserve autonomy over my own body and choices.

You betrayed me, Alana, Olivia, and your own daughter by supporting that misogynist, rapist, pedophile. You betrayed Randy with your vote. You know he's gay. And yet you voted for a proven homophobe to lead this country. You voted for a racist a-hole who has no respect for veterans. He calls you suckers and losers. How can you justify a vote for someone that does this? You voted for someone who only embodies hate.

Since that's the person you think should lead our country, then I no longer know who you are. And I can't spend the rest of my life with you. I have purchased a new refrigerator before that orange a-hole puts tariffs on everything. And yes, tariffs means that we will have to pay more for things. All you stupid maghats fell for his lies. If you want to remove that part you replaced and return it, you need to do so before Wednesday. Please find somewhere else to be on Thursday.

There will be no Thanksgiving here, and I'd like to have the day alone. I'm sorry for laughing. But this... Wow, talk about media brainwashing. The media... This is why this show that we do exists. Thank you for bringing that up. This is exactly correct. Because this is not just media brainwashing. This is all media. It's like social media in particular. And your favorite, TikTok, is playing a big role.

If you see the amount of TikTok women influencers who are out there repeating this over and over again. And Trump is going to declare no-fault divorce across America. Which on its face is very uneducated and ignorant since marriage is a state issue. It's not a federal issue. You're married before the great state of. And because... Oh yeah, Texas is already doing it. Some Jamoke state senator in 2017 put in a bill that said, Oh, you know, we should do away with...

Which by the way, no-fault divorce is available in every state in the union. We should do away with it because it promotes wrecking the family. I think only recently in New York. I think New York was a holdout. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, anyway. But these psychological operations that have taken place have absolutely convinced people that this is happening. They are convinced of it. There is no... Oh no, they're not insincere in their belief. I'd like to actually get into this because... Well...

Yes. Since you want to get into it, I do want to... You brought kind of led me into leading the witness into this TikTok clip. There are reasonable people. There are reasonable people on TikTok. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. And I have one of them here. I have my TikTok clip of the day right at the beginning of the show for the people that love these clips. Oh, we're rocking it. Yes. For the five people who have emailed John and encouraged him to bring these clips to the show. Here we go.

I just don't get why we can't have Trump and Kamala both be president. And then Kamala is only president to the Kamala supporters. And then Trump is only president to the Trump supporters. And then we can find ways to identify one another so then only the Kamala supporters get the Kamala's policies. I just feel like that would be way more fair and I don't know why we haven't thought of it before. I don't know. You know? Humanity is lost.

She's kind of cute and dumb and she thinks that she dreamed this up as such a great idea. And she has this look on the end of it as though I just don't get why people haven't figured this out. Before I move into some deconstruction here of all forms of media, I just want to have everyone think for a moment about the victims of Western North Carolina and Florida who are not having the happiest of Thanksgiving.

And let's be quick to listen, slow to speak, and even slower to get angry around all of our relatives today and our friends. If you have a Friendsgiving, just everybody calm down. Friendsgiving. I forgot about that. Oh, no. Wait, didn't Jay have a Friendsgiving a year ago or two years ago? Maybe it was Jesse. I don't remember. It was Jesse and Jay. I try to repress the idea.

So the television and radio specifically, but when it comes to media deconstruction, we now really have to look at all media, including social media. Now the television and radio people, they're so focused on what happened. What happened? How could it happen? What did we do wrong? And how are we losing out our messaging to the podcast laws, podcast laws, podcast law, podcast law auction? And I don't I really don't think it's a podcast election that I'd love for that to be true.

So I have a few clips from PBS, but then I have an old friend of the show who was on NPR. And I think we can learn something and maybe take it to some historical things we've learned in the past 17 years of doing no agenda. So it's kind of a retrospective. And we start with PBS trying to desperately trying to understand how Trump won. Thanks to the Manosphere. On the night it became clear President-elect Donald Trump won the presidency again.

He was joined on stage by members of his family and several high profile supporters. This is karma, ladies and gentlemen. He deserves this. They deserve it as a family. Including the CEO of Ultimate Fighting Championship, Dana White, who paid tribute to a group of men he believed helped sway the election. I want to thank the Nell boys, Aiden Ross, Theo Vaughn. Bustin' with the boys. And last but not least, the mighty and powerful Joe Rogan. Let me know your honest thoughts.

While those names may sound unfamiliar to some, they are all part of a growing online ecosystem that's been dubbed the Manosphere. A term loosely defined as male-centered content published on platforms like TikTok, YouTube and the popular live streaming site for gamers, Twitch. The press is so crooked. During his campaign, candidate Trump saw massive untapped potential to reach young male voters by appearing on podcasts like... Is this that Lopez woman? Yes, correct. Are you mad?

Why are you mad? Oh, she's the worst. I have clips from her, too, coming up because she's the worst. But continue. I just wanted to make sure. OK. A massive untapped potential to reach young male voters by appearing on podcasts like the Joe Rogan Experience. Kamala goes on 60 Minutes, gave an answer that a child wouldn't give. It was so bad.

His three hour long interview has been viewed more than 50 million times on YouTube, providing several viral moments that could then be shared in clips across all of social media. Aha! Aha! We're starting to zero in. But it's clearly Donald Trump only won because of men, which I think is factually just not true. No, 52 percent of the women voters voted for Donald Trump.

So, you know, it's but they play a few more clips just so they can kind of get into this, because obviously, you know, these are the people influencing men. 22 year old Evan Jabot is a longtime Joe Rogan listener and a Trump voter. He says Trump's interview with Rogan allowed young men to see a different side of the president elect. I'd give an answer, which was a very good answer. I always talk about, you know, I like to give long the weave. Yeah, you like to weave things in. But when you do.

And we got to hear a lot of stories that Trump wouldn't typically say on the road. He uses a lot of rhetoric in his rallies that you really didn't get on the podcast. And I think it was a refreshing view of Trump. Reaching young men who often listen to podcasts and get their news from social media was a deliberate effort by the Trump campaign, says GOP digital strategist Eric Wilson.

They had a theory that if you watch cable news, whatever end of the political spectrum you're on, you already had your mind made up about the candidates and who you were going to vote for. They went out to these platforms where people might not be as engaged in news and current events to tell them about the election, tell them about the candidate. A recent study from the Pew Research Center found that about four in 10 voters under 30 regularly get their news from content creators.

OK, so this is notice. They don't say podcasters because they didn't say podcasts from their from Apple podcasts or Spotify. There was no mention of that. It's about what's happening on social networks. And I'm going to add TikTok and YouTube to social networks. So then on on the media, Instagram. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, of course. On Twitter. Yes. But exactly. And and X and Blue Cry, which is the new name. It's not Blue Sky. It's Blue Cry. So Blue Cry. Yeah, I like it. Thank you.

So on the media, which is one of my hate listens, they bring on someone who is who has morphed her. Her presence in media as many times. Rene D'Aresta. Do you remember Rene D'Aresta? No, but can I can I stop you for a second and mention one thing? Yeah. That guy that that that famous Democrat super donor that with the southern accent, I think it's from Louisiana or Florida, was on one of these pot. The guy who said that Biden nominated Harris to screw with the Democrat Party. Yeah, that guy.

Yeah. He was very well connected. He says that. And I think we may have mentioned this, but I should mention it again, that it was Barron Trump. That talked his dad, his dad into doing podcasts. All of them. That's what Trump said. So we'll have to believe it. Trump said that it was Barron. OK, well, I didn't know that. Yeah, because I heard from this guy. And it's interesting that Barron had influence. And so did Donald, because Donald's the one

who pushed J.D. Vance. It's he's he's a family man and he listens to his family. That is in general a good idea. Yes. Yeah. So D'Aresta, she was involved with the Council for Responsible Social Media. She worked at the Stanford Internet Observatory. Whatever. Oh, yes. You remember her now? I know her. Yep. Yeah. She's the one who had the details years ago that most Internet traffic was pirate piracy. Yeah. She had some good numbers, too. Well, and this is even though I don't like her.

I remember even when I when I was on Rogan, I said, Joe, she's no good. She is literally on your show to propagandize stuff. And I think she was involved in some of the early kind of censorship things. Somehow, I I think it was her group that, if I recall, was trying to prove that you could deplatform, you know, deplatform someone by calling out a brand. And they actually were deplatforming people by calling out brands. It's very murky, but she always comes out. She has a new position.

She's somewhere else in some hoity toity place. And now she's written a book. So she's back. CNN has also seen a decline at a time when more and more people are getting their news from social media, perhaps in part because influencers seem less compromised than the legacy press. A new Pew Research report this week found that roughly 20 percent of Americans and 37 percent of adults under 30 are getting their news from content creators.

Most of the accounts with over 100,000 followers are men with no professional journalist. Yeah. You can interrupt as much as you want. I'll be. Well, you know me. Isn't a newspaper reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle a content creator? That would be a reporter is what I'd call that. But he's creating content. It's it's a it's a horrible term. In fact, Spotify is vague. In reality, it is a vague term that's let's say one step further. It's a meaningless trope, meaningless trope.

There you go. That is another great show title, meaningless trope. They use that because they never would want to categorize anyone who who does something that is not sanctioned or part of a mainstream outlet. They're not going to look. They're never going to call John C. Dvorak a journalist or even a columnist. You are a podcaster or a content creator. It's it's disparaging. It's meant to be disparaging. And it's also meant to be able to lump everybody into one category. Spotify just change.

They have a hosting service. They change Spotify for podcasters into Spotify for creators. You see? So, yes, artists are creators. I don't like it at all, at all. But that's what they're going with. Most of the accounts with over 100000 followers are men with no professional journalistic training. They're also slightly more likely to be right leaning to understand this new media landscape. We're going to need to update some old ideas about how powerful institutions spread their messages.

And for that, we turn to Renee D 'Aresta, Georgetown University research professor and author of the book Invisible Rulers. The people who turn lies into reality. So she's moved. She's moved to Washington, D.C. now. She went from Stanford now. She's in the thick of it. She's at Georgetown, Washington University. OK. Spook. I would say so. So she says some very I just have a couple of shortish clips. She says some very interesting things about this new world.

And I kind of got interested in this because we made almost like we had an offhanded conversation. You said the turnover on this show is high. We've got it. That's a problem. And and people started saying, well, that's because you're either a you're not consistent in your beliefs or, you know, what was the other one? I had another one here. Consistent. You're not consistent. I countered that quite nicely. I thought. But then you had something to say. You said.

But you indicate you're going to reveal because the season of reveal on the show. I'm doing this now. I'm in right now. You are. No, I'm witnessing. You are. And I'm being mad about it. You are living in the season of reveal. And so, in fact, one of our producers said, you know, the observation about this is, he says, I agree with observation. The two of you made is I think this infighting. And I was talking about the new TDS versus TDS classic is almost an inevitable.

So he's like, OK, it's because of the broad coalition, Trump, et cetera. But he says the the the problem is that on one show will excoriate someone like we just did and said, oh, you're Yale, you're Georgetown University, you're a spook. And then when I talk about people infighting about Trump's nominees and everyone arguing about that, you know, then I tell them they have Trump derangement syndrome. And both things can be true.

You know, so it's but it's a different problem and a different issue. And I think I can I can find or at least indicate the source of where all of this is coming from, where all of these arguments come from. So we continue with the rest. And now, because the secret sauce to these creators, which we are not, we are. I can squarely say we are not like these creators on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, X, Blue Cry, et cetera.

When you read these social media posts of people who are distrustful of media, they are effectively saying that they really do believe at this point that there is some sort of collusion between media and government and the press is not telling them the truth.

And this is one of these areas where there had been this great hope, I think, that by creating a theoretically gatekeeper free media environment, we would create a flourishing new independent press that would, you know, enjoy the confidence and the trust of the public. Stop it again. Sure. Now, this is an interesting commentary because she was part of it and it was a I would say this was I don't remember how many years ago, maybe 20 years ago when the Internet first started going.

And and of all people, Dan Gilmore and others promoted the idea and wrote a book. He wrote a book called Citizen Journalist and they were promoting the idea that this was over. The gatekeepers were done because we have citizen journalism and approve us. Sources go direct is another one. Sources go direct. Yeah, all that was a big deal. And these are the same people that were promoting the idea of citizen journalists and all this is the way it's going to be. And this is the greatest thing ever.

And now. Yeah. And but the point she makes is that in general, there is a distrust of media thinking there is collusion. And I will say in many parts in the world where there is like a government. Oh, everywhere. Government finance media. Where is it there? There is collusion between government and between, well, news, but maybe all media. So her points are valid about the feeling.

You know, enjoy the confidence and the trust of the public that was not subjected to the same incentives and that we would have this rising trust in a burgeoning new media. And, of course, that's not exactly what happens. And all of a sudden you have new gatekeepers and new incentives and new structures and new means of sharing information.

You have the most empowered public you've ever had as far as the role that individual people can play in shaping public opinion and amplifying news that they like and sharing content with their friends. So you have a fundamental shift in who can be a content creator, who can tell stories. In this particular case, we're talking about news influencers who have over 100000 followers and those followers play a very active role in amplifying them. And this is where it gets interesting, because.

What is happening in the I'll call it view and like and click based citizen journalism or creators, we don't play there for 17 years. We have net we've never cared about how many until funny enough as I'm putting this together, you ask void zero. Hey, man, you got any server stats, which which as I think we both realized again is completely useless. Yeah, we have one hundred and twenty seven million unique listeners in twenty twenty four. OK, sure. Sounds sounds right to me. Right.

So but there's new incentives that this is exactly what we do not do on the no agenda show. I think a lot of people see influencers as these like, you know, the sort of pied pipers like leading around the masses, you know, but that's not what's actually happening. The influencer maybe has more followers, but they're often pulling content up from posts that their followers are making as well.

One of the interesting phenomenons in the influencer crowd relationship is this phenomenon called audience capture, where you'll occasionally see audiences begin to demand. Why aren't you talking about this? Right. That dynamic happened quite a lot in the days after October 7th. Why aren't you talking about Israel?

Why aren't you talking about Palestine, where people felt that they should be applying pressure to influencers who have reach, who can shape the discourse, who can shape political opinion? And the audience feels that the influencer should be using that power in a particular way. Right. And it's really interesting to see those moments take shape because you realize this is not just a one sided relationship. The influencer is absolutely dependent on the crowd being there.

That's how they make their money. That's how they have their influence. That's how they have their reach. And so they don't want to do too much to alienate that crowd. This is exactly the way newspapers work. This is exactly the way newspapers work. You get ahold of the editor, you write nasty notes to the editor. Why aren't you talking about this? Why aren't you talking about that? Why aren't you talking about this? What is she doing? What is she? This is ridiculous.

No, no, no. She's making an excellent point. This is a very good point. And let me bring it home. Come on. And so they don't want to do too much to alienate that crowd. And so sometimes you'll see influencers becoming more and more ideological if their audience grows in a particular direction. My point here is that when we started this show, we never, never thought that we would have to kowtow to any audience because initially we didn't care at all. We've never cared.

We've never cared about numbers. And throughout just recent history, COVID, a lot of people left in the beginning. You guys are anti-vax. You're nuts. You're out of control. We're all going to die. This is a worldwide problem. People are dying. They're falling down dead in the street. I mean, and by the way, the first two weeks, I thought, oh, I like this Berks lady before you say it. And, you know, I was able to say, oh, hold on a second. They're showing me climate change statistics here.

We've got to reevaluate. Then came Ukraine-Russia. Twice, 2014, then again two years ago. Do you remember the flak we got about saying, no, this is bull crap, this Ukraine thing? Do you remember the flak we got? We got a lot of flak for COVID. We got a lot of flak except for the people that stuck with it and finally realized that we were right all along. I want to mention this. One of the reasons that we get things right a lot is because we catch early, like, for example, with COVID.

We caught that French guy, the French Nobel Prize winner who is considered a screwball. Who disappeared. Who disappeared. He is the one who immediately, as soon as the genetic results were released of COVID -19, he immediately saw it as an engineered virus. And he went on and on about it. And he immediately said that it would decay over time naturally because all these engineered viruses do that. And what he said made nothing but sense.

And he was one of those guys that I always admire people like this who can look at something and immediately see things nobody else can see. Because that's their whole, their brain is just structured the way it is. They can just see stuff. And so we always catch these guys early on. And also we can turn on a dime. Thank you. And, but most importantly, relevant to what Diresta is saying here and what you just said about how newspapers work, etc. We have never kowtowed to the mass audience.

Otherwise, we'd be sitting here right now telling everybody about the genocide in Palestine that the evil Zionist Jews have done. We have other things to discuss. We don't see this. Or World War III. Well, you're leading me down the path in my season of reveal. But let's stay with this incentive, which is, and this is the culture war economy. This is the culture war economy. This is why Megan Kelly does what she does. Why Tucker Carlson does what he does.

Why Pool Boy, although he seems to be falling off the map now that his money dried up. Bongino, Alex Jones. They all want to have their audience consistently agreeing with them and them agreeing with their audience. And then because it is click and view based and subscription based media, they're very afraid to blow their business model. So this is just one incentive that is shaping some influencers to the point that they might become propagandists.

What are some other incentives that are shaping this new media environment? The ecosystem relies a lot on direct patronage. You see substack writers making money directly from subscriptions themselves. That creates particular incentives in order to appeal to a group of people to gain your initial following. You're incentivized to appeal to a niche, right? To sort of start somewhere as a person who talks about a particular topic and then to kind of expand out from there.

You're incentivized to be entertaining, right? To be sensational. Get as many engagements as possible. As many people engaging and reacting and commenting and paying attention to their content. And this is an incredible challenge because you have to capture attention in an extraordinarily noisy, very, very fast paced environment. And I'm going to tell you that Rogan does this, too. He has also pivoted along. He was always very, oh, I don't want to say anything that'll make people mad.

And he does that a lot. And now he's switched a little bit with the crowd that has come along with him. And I'm not saying, I'm not blaming anybody, but we don't make our, our income doesn't come from that system. We've always said, if you don't like what we're doing, don't listen. If you don't like it, don't support us. And if we don't get enough to pay our rent, we're going to stop doing it. Has it ever been any different, our message?

Not really, but I want to go back to what she said, which is she's describing mass media before any of this. If you're a columnist for the San Francisco Examiner, the Chronicle back in the day, or the New York Times or the Chicago Sun -Times or the Chicago Tribune, you're competing with other. You have to be entertaining. You have to get people to read the damn column because it goes back to the editors. They're going to fire you. Everything she's saying applies to mass media.

She's extrapolating. This is such bull crap. My point is, say goodbye to the old boss. Hello to the new boss. Thank you. You made my point. There is nothing new about the new media. It is exactly the same model, exactly the same reasons. But there is a twist that I think they're overlooking. When I look at the sensationalism of what was just on Alex Jones with General Flynn, a general, I guess you're a general forever, an important cog. Yeah, you are. Generally, you're a general.

Mind you, I spent Tuesday scrolling a little bit, a little doom scrolling on X, and all the Ukraine flags were out again, all the Ukraine flags. And they're like, oh, oh, Curry host of, in quotes, no agenda, who never even played the full Victorian Newland call. I'm like, dude, we played the whole five minutes so many times. You never put it in context. And there was one of those.

Paul, we're the only, I want to, since you, part of the theme here is tooting our own horn, which is somewhat repulsive, but at the same time necessary once in a while. I will mention we're the only podcast I know of to this day that ever played the Sandy Hook 9-1-1 call. Oh, really? We're one of the only ones? I think we're the only one. So moving on. Just mentioning in its entirety. So we, yes, we played when that Newland thing came out, we played the whole thing. It went on forever.

But so, so I respond to this guy or whatever, John Smith, 52960. So you already know what that is. You know what that is. Is it a bot? Is it just a troll? I have my thoughts. Then all of a sudden all the Ukraine flags come out and they start attacking and you have to look at this. And haven't you seen how this and literally like, oh, look at what's happened to Lauren Southern. She took Russian money. You're right. You're Putin propaganda.

So when this happens, like, OK, now we know at this very moment, NATO is incredibly afraid of Trump coming in, pulling the plug. You know, they they want to keep the money moving the war machine. And, you know, Trump has a different war machine strategy in his mind as far as we're concerned for China. And it's going to be great for our economy. Big, beautiful ships are going to have star shields, all kinds of stuff. But it's not going to be NATO and it's not going to be for Ukraine.

So they're out there trying to work the networks and influence the influencers. I'll put Glenn Beck in there, too. All of these people who are clickbait like old media who need to appease their audience to keep them spun up with whatever they're spun up about. But they're being spun up, too. And they're being, I think, influence. And it's from people like Flynn who go. This is a general who is going on to Infowars to do this. The advent of World War three. We are in the midst of it.

The exchange of nuclear, very provocative nuclear capable weapons have already been have already occurred. Alex has done an amazing job over these last couple of weeks. Really talking about great. And I know we have talked about this, talking about the shift in Russia's nuclear policy, talking about first use. And I want people to, you know, he asked me prior about Secretary Austin and what Secretary Austin's comments were.

And I think that, you know, what Putin did when he fired this missile, he gave what I call the ultimate warning. The ultimate warning message from Vladimir Putin to not to Ukraine, but to the West to say, hey, folks, look, we are not. I have a responsibility. Now I'm putting my my feet, which I've had to do for my entire military career, was to put my feet into the boots of our enemies.

OK, so my my analysis of where President Putin is at is he's got to sit there with his own people and say we are going to protect the sovereignty of our country. We are going to protect the safety and security of our citizenry. And I can't allow a nuclear capable, offensive, provocative weapon to be fired into Russia without some type of of response, without some type of adjustment in my military and in my political, my diplomatic posture.

So this guy is one of these military people who is spreading this this war, fear mongering stuff, just like the grid's going to go down. There will be no election like McGregor, another another ex-military guy. And if you look for since 2011, really since the 70s, but 2011, the Defense Agency Research Project has funded multiple studies about social media in strategic communication. They have been used. And so that's when I when I see these Ukraine flags come out.

This is military operations and they influence people. And I don't want to say they're weak brothers and sisters, but they are. And they're all they are. They are. Totally. They're all. And this is the influencers. This is the creators. And we only need to go back to the State Department with Hillary Clinton to be reminded why Smith Mundt was basically scrapped in 2012 under Obama.

I mean, the old days of, you know, radio free Europe and getting and beaming in accurate information into the homes of Russians. We should be doing everything we can now online to replicate that. It will be very difficult for Putin to plug all the holes in that dike. Information going into Russia about what Putin is actually doing with this unprovoked attack on Ukraine can keep people energized.

And I think that's something that we should be doing, as I say, both through our government, but also individuals who have the capacity to do that. Our tech companies should not be aiding Russia in this attack in any way. They should be aiding those who are standing for freedom, which, after all, is something that, you know, they're supposed to be on the side of. So a lot of this came out of the State Department. It had a name. And Victoria Nuland, when she was the spokeswoman, told us about it.

The Baltic countries, Poland, a number of our Eastern European allies have long experience with responding to disinformation on the part of Russia. Are we coordinating that effort in any way? Absolutely, Senator. I think you know the State Department's Global Engagement Center, which you all helped us stand up and supported. We work 24-7 with other allies and partners, not just in Europe, but around the world to bring to light Russian disinformation campaigns and who is pushing them.

We also work with the tech companies. We work with the tech companies, of course we do. And it's not the censorship industrial complex is the cover. That's the cover. It's not about censoring people. That's so we can all go nuts. The shadow banning me. No one gives a crap. It's about using the networks to actually. You said this so best. The Internet only made it easier for the propaganda. It didn't make it so, oh, we'll all have better information.

No, it made it so that influencers and creators are getting all this stuff. I think tech companies are actually heating some of these accounts to bubble them to the top. It's the opposite, which shows what Mike Benz is really about. He's always talking about, oh, the censorship industrial complex, the State Department's Global Engagement Center. It wasn't about censorship. It was about propagandizing us. As we this is Lumpkin in 2018 from the State Department's Global Engagement Center.

As we work the data piece and it gives us the ability instead of just throwing a message out and hope it lands. We can actually I call that kind of meat cleaver messaging as you throw it out there. And hopefully it hits the right audience as we have the ability. And I'll use an example of something we've started this year, and this is using Facebook ads. I can go within Facebook. I can I can go grab an audience. I can I'll give a hypothetical. I can pick country X. I need age group 13 to 34.

I need people who who've liked, you know, whether it's Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or any other set. And I can shoot and hit them directly with messages for in some places in the world. It's literally pennies a click to do. So you add the ability to actually manage and identify and see your audience based on their social media preferences. Does it get any better than that? The entire advertising system is set up for our own government to propagandize exactly who they want.

So let me get some Dan Bongino listeners or viewers. I can get them right with advertising tools. Here's Tom Shanker of The New York Times from 2011 talking about the U.S. military doing this. Yeah, it certainly did. What the American military intelligence can do is forge the watermarks or certification, if you will, of official Al-Qaeda postings. Because they don't want people going online and pretending to be them.

But, you know, American cyber technology is so advanced that they can have a near near perfect recreation of an Al-Qaeda message. And what they're doing from time to time is going on to jihadi websites and posting conflicting and contradictory orders. Statements that raise doubt about who the jihadi should follow and who's really in charge. And is this person still alive? Are they still in control? And the goal is to really disrupt the entire network by sowing distrust and dissent and confusion.

We've been told that they've had some great successes at that. Yes. Right here in America. Great successes with it. By sowing distrust and confusion amongst Americans. Final clip. Yes. And before you wrapped it with the final clip, this all harkens back to the note that that dumb wife of that one of our producers left on the back door. Yes. Yes. It's all sides. It's all sides. And we all fall in love with these. Oh, this guy's great. He says exactly what I think. Yeah, of course.

That's his or her business model. And meanwhile, they're getting everything from the audience capture. Man, how many how many trolls and spooks and are actually military people doing their business? Because in 2011, the State Department already had 7000 of them working on this stuff. Nearly, we spend nearly $70 million a year on these programs, both in Iran and around the world.

At the same time, we're also developing and distributing new technologies, more than 20 of them, to empower activists around the globe to access uncensored censored content on the Internet and to communicate with each other and to tell their stories. And to date, we've funded the training of more than 7500 activists around the world in these programs. So the old model of the spooks and the spokes holes going on to CNN, MSNBC and whatever to give you the messaging is over. It's now online.

It's on social media networks. And the creators are being boosted, maybe even boosted to make sure they do get a lot of money. Hey, wait a minute. This message I'm spreading right now is really working. I should not stop doing that. And then when you have the largest one of the largest government contractors, certainly for military buying a social media network, you've just got to consider what's going on.

And you're no agenda show is not part of that model because we're struggling with 17 years and we are not millionaires from this business. Because we've never played that, we've never cared about it, and we're not in the right system. This is why everyone. Oh, if you want to you want a podcast, you've got to be on YouTube. Of course, because they have algorithms that can be boosted. If you've got the right message, let's give these guys a little boost, either through 7000 people liking them.

I don't know what they're doing. This is the last four years of this show that we're facing now are going to be interesting. To me, very interesting to see how people fall into what they believe is truth because it's not from the mainstream media and it's coming from their favorite creators. That's a good one. It just dawned on me like, wow, this is happening and it's it's going to be interesting to watch. See, I had this right 30 plus years ago.

The Internet should have been shuttered immediately. Shut it down right away. It's no good. It's too late. It's way too late. And then, you know, when you hear, you know, like this, as you thought, I'm sure you're not following Romania. I mean, why would we? But Romania now has yet another far right populist. And, you know, how did he do it? Gee, I don't know. Rising results that we can see with the far right. All right. First, and he's now followed by Elena Lasko.

She's the candidate of the progressive liberal USR party. She mainly gathered the votes of pro European voters, but also undecided voters. On the other hand, was not expected to to to reach the runoff. He was credited with about seven percent of votes maximum by by the polls. The previous before the elections happened. And this is a surprise. But many analysts are saying that the power of social media, especially TikTok, has been largely underestimated.

And so and so when you read that Trump, that Trump is going to credential creators, YouTubers and podcasters to be in the press briefing briefing. What do you think that's about? It's obvious. That's the that's the new way. And Trump gets it like you got to bring. And these are all. Hey, man, if I got invited to the White House for anything, I'd be like, wow, this is cool. Yeah, well, that's like, remember, they brought the years ago for it started with bloggers.

They brought the bloggers to the convention, the Democrat or Republican. You know, it's a bunch of bloggers, but the bloggers. Yeah, but the bloggers see this is this is what they gave way to the podcasters. Well, hold on. Bloggers got no juice and they got no juice. That's why the social I mean, when Twitter started, it was RSS feed based, actually. And that's why it failed all the time.

But it was the algorithm that heat stuff up to the top that made it interesting so that somebody could go viral. Your ego kicks in, your greed kicks in. Now you're wide open. Hey, come to the White House. Yeah, I'll post whatever you want. Trump, you rock. Clinton, Obama, whatever. You rock podcasters. We have no algorithm. So there's no way for us to be go viral or go to the top. That's why these social networks are the key to the propaganda, to the messaging. This is how it works.

It's so human. Like if all of a sudden you're doing 100 million views, like I got to do more of this. Yeah. No, you get 100 million views on something. You you you have to assume you're a genius. Well, no doubt. I really know. I'm that good. I'm that good. So clearly we need to have a no agenda reporter at the White House and we're going to credential someone. Someone because it's in D.C., we probably thought D.C. girl would be the good one to get. Well, she's got D.C. in her name. She does.

So she should be our no agenda representative in the in the briefing room. I mean, it makes so much sense. This is and you're right. It's goodbye to the say goodbye to the old boss. Hello to the new boss. It's the exact same thing. And when you step out of your out of your line, well, you're not doing it right. Then all of a sudden your views are going to drop. It's so obvious. And I'm not even accusing Elon Musk of doing anything nefarious. I mean, they just go in, use the advertising system.

Who do I need to target? OK, let me get some. Let me get some Megyn Kelly people here. All right. I'll just select all of them. Click, click, click. I'm going to start to start making some noise that I think is important. Bubble that to the top. It's perfect. It's a perfect system. It's a giant scam. And we're not a part of it. Somehow we've missed every single huge money making opportunity in the lifetime of the show. Yeah, but the problem is it's a double edged sword with us.

We have at least we have a baseline of consistency. We even know people say we're inconsistent. That's not true. We're extremely consistent the way we look at things. We are pretty much apolitical. People don't want to accept that because, you know, we don't didn't like Harris. I think we can both agree on that. She was just a no good. No good. No good. She's no good. She was I have my thoughts on it, which is even more extreme. And you're a California boy. That's why you're out there.

You know, you know the story, you know, the background. And so they in fact, we Mimi was always mentioned. We would run into her and Willie Brown at Star's Restaurant quite a few times. Yes, yes. You have mentioned this. And I bumped and Jeff talked to him. He's a he's a close talker. Another one. Oh, does he spit or just. I didn't get any of that, but he's a close talker. And he I have learned a lot of close talkers over over the years. It's always like you.

You keep very slowly trying to back up. And it's just like you can't do it. And by the way, just so just to show you how rampant this corruption is. I mean, this is a very short clip and it's really there's gambling going on. But, you know, the ongoing feud between Drake and Kendrick Lamar, Kendrick Lamar. They're doing these diss tracks back and forth like, hey, man, you're not a part of the culture, Drake, because, you know, you're a Canadian. First of all, you're part Jewish.

You're half white. So you're not part of the culture. You need to shut up. And now Drake is like, well, hold on a second. Someone's playing. I'm not playing fair. A heated feud between two popular rappers is now turning into a legal battle. Drake has filed a lawsuit against Universal Music Group or UMG, claiming it falsely infiltrate inflated. The popularity of Kendrick Lamar song Not Like Us. Lamar released the single back in May as a diss track against Drake.

According to Spotify, the song has more than 900 million streams. But Drake's suit argues that UMG use bots and launched a pay to play scheme to increase those numbers and make the song go viral. UMG denies the claims. It's also worth noting. Drake is currently represented by Republic Records, which is a division of UMG. Yes, there's gambling going on. Of course, it's the same mechanism. We want this feud to keep going. So now we're going to boost him and then we'll.

Yeah, there's all you know, I don't. By the way, I'm not following any of this. I don't care about it. I think it's dumb. But the fact that there's a kind of one company zone by the other and they're suing each other, but it's not really is it's a phony bologna deal. Like the fact that Taylor Swift has the same basic agent that that Kelsey has the same, you know, running through the same sports agency. Yeah, it's wrestling. It's wrestling.

Yes. Yes. And by the way, there's there's Dana White with Trump saying this is all because of my great fighters. I mean, the great podcasters, it's literally the wrestling guy talking about his, you know, is not really his stable, but talking about the players in the game. You know, Joe Rogan works for him. Yes. It's the players in the game, not I'm not I'm not saying that Joe is phony because he's he's not. He's obviously not phony. He's not.

He's just a naturally, you know, I've watched him on and off. And I have to say he's a good comedian. He's not a super a class, but he's good. He's a good comedian. He knows what he's doing. He's a good actor when he was acting. He's a great host. He's done a lot of TV. He is a tremendously good commentator on UFC and conversationalist. He's a great conversationalist, fabulous conversationalist.

But when you have not an interviewer either, it's like, no, but then people come on his show, you know, because they're doing the rounds there, you know, there or they're bubbling under or there's something interesting. And he's just talking in there. They're throwing out the messaging. And he has he's he's probably the most talented guy there that has been around for a long time. It's just, in fact, he's probably underpowered. Now, there's a way to look at it. He needs more flavor crystals.

He's underpowered by underpowered. I mean, he could be at, you know, George Clooney level of celebrity. Easy, but he's I think he may be that level. I think in a subtext, he is, but not in a in a in a worldwide sense that Clooney is, let's say you'd be surprised how many people. I'm not saying the fact that I'm saying what I'm saying indicates that he's not at the Clooney level. Close, though, I think he's close. He needs a tequila.

He's a tequila brand that he'll really not like, for example, he's not showing his pictures, not showing up in the in the gossip rags. This is not. No, it's not. No. Well, it's because he doesn't play that game. He doesn't play that game. No, he doesn't. He plays that game. But that's what I'm saying. He's underpowered. Yes. Yeah. OK. And I think he likes it that way. I bet. Yeah. Yeah. Who the hell needs the other aggravation? Tell me about it.

I have two clips, quick ones, which is just kind of fun, because, again, because you mentioned you brought up Kamala and and they're still trying to figure out who. What happened? I don't understand what happened. Well, no one wanted her. And the most important, important thing you could have in today's world is authenticity. And that's why. President Trump going on Rogan and talking for three hours, people could sit there and make up their own minds. It was that easy.

No one can talk for three hours and be cagey and couched and not show their three hours and show their true personality. So they're still trying to figure it out. And they have this woman on. This is Pod Save America, who are supposed to be the people who got who got Kamala elected because they're podcasters. It was a podcast election, wasn't it? How come you didn't do your job, Pod Save America? Aren't you the number one podcast? This is Jen O'Malley Dillon, who was the campaign chair.

This is a series of great clips. I would say I mean, look, look, I am not a media hater by any measure. And I think that she's I'm not a media hater, but it was the media's fault. You know, we women don't get far in life talking about double standard. So that's not the point. The media is misogynist now. I do think a narrative. One hundred seven days, two weeks because of a hurricane, two weeks talking about how she didn't do interviews, which, you know, she was doing plenty.

But we were doing in our own way. We had to, you know, be the nominee who had to find a running mate and do a rollout. I mean, there was all these things that you kind of want to factor in. But real people heard in some way that we were not going to have interviews, which was both not true. Real people like CNN, MSNBC, all of your real people were saying this. And also so counter to any kind of standard that was put on Trump that I think there was a problem.

And then on top of that, we would do an interview. And to Stephanie's point, here's the best part. The questions were small and processy and about like dumb. She is actually claiming that these obvious softball, lame, lame interviews that they didn't want that. And that was the media who decided to do that all of their own accord. And they I mean, this is very hard to believe. They were not. Well, hold on a couple of things. I've just heard her buddy that's also there says dumb.

She throws a word dumb and twice, actually. Yeah. And it was pointed out by the Fox folk. Fred Bear had her on it. She'd only do 21 minutes, period. And they were cut. They were jumping supposedly behind the scenes. They're talking about this. They told her to cut it off, cut it off. You got to stop. You got to stop. You got to get off the stage. They were late to the interview to begin with. This is bull crap. She's just a liar.

And processy and about like they were they were not informing another point. She uses the word processy. You notice. Yes. They were small and processy. What she meant by that was they were asking her. How to questions, in other words, the process, he means, well, what are you going to do to stop inflation? Well, what are you going to do to end the war? Well, what are you going to do? What are you going to do to do this and that? That's that's what she means by processy.

And those are questions they didn't want to answer. No, of course not. Because she had no answers. Small and processy and about like good catch. They were they were not informing a voter who was trying to listen to learn more or to understand. And I'm not saying that that, you know, the whole system was focused on us incorrectly. I'm just saying, like, again, of the things we need to explore as we move forward as a campaign and as a country.

From our viewpoint, actually, this is quite interesting because our take has always been that the system wanted Trump to win. So it is entirely possible that she's telling the truth from her perspective and that the whole system was geared toward getting Trump to win by doing this purposely against their wishes. Seems hard to believe, but it is a possibility. That does a disservice to voters.

And, you know, I think back and think we should have signaled more of our strategy early on about podcasts and who we were trying to reach. And but we had a limited amount of time to reach. The people are trying to reach and we were trying to go to them. But being up against a narrative that we weren't doing anything or we were afraid to have interviews is completely bull and also like took hold a little bit.

And we just gave us another thing we had to fight back for that Trump never had to worry about. And they were unfair towards Trump, again, going towards our basic thesis. Now, the the money shot question, of course, is about the appearance on The Rogan Show. This is where she falls apart and just lies. Should Kamala Harris have gone on Rogan? Can you can you just not to be tedious about it? Could you talk a little bit about how close you came to doing it? Why it didn't happen?

Yeah, there's a lot of intrigue around this. A lot of theories. It's it's pretty simple. We wanted to do it. It you know, I hate to repeat this over and over, but it was a very short race with a limited number of days. And for a candidate to leave the battleground to go to Houston, which is what? Did you hear what she said to leave the battleground to go to Houston? It's not a Houston. No, no. Listen, you'll hear it in a second. Houston, which is a day off the playing field in the battleground.

You know, getting that timing right is really important. So we had discussions with Joe Rogan's team. I love the team part. It's one guy, Matt, one guy who answers the phone. Hello, it's Matt. Oh, you want to go on, Joe? Well, yeah, we can do this. Sure. When do you want to do it? Well, you only want to do one hour. No, that's not the for you. Don't want to do it in his studio. No, no. We do everything in the studio and it's open at least three hours. So talking with his team is a lie.

They were great. They wanted us to come on. He's not they them. It's a he. It's Matt. It's not they them. Great. They wanted us to come on. We wanted to come on. We tried to get a date to make it work. And ultimately, we just weren't able to find a date. We did go to Houston. And she gave a great speech at an amazing event. The Beyonce event? Yes. Well, I'm going to call it Reproductive Freedom. There you go. So they chose the Reproductive Freedom event with Beyonce over Rogan. That's it.

They thought that that would play better with the audience. That was the decision they made. And they could have done it. They're in Texas. Hop, skip, and a jump. You could have popped right down, but no. Yeah, you can take a puddle jumper. They had a private jet. They did not. They were afraid that she would, as we say in Holland, in the old country, do it a month fuller. She would fall out of the bottom of the basket. I know. It's another great Dutchism, isn't it?

I'm glad you have a long tip of your tongue. I want to play two clips that are pretty obscure, but it's James Carville who's been on everything. Because he was right about everything. Well, he was wrong about it. He's the one who got by him and Axelrod, or the two guys that were part of the system, which included Pelosi and Schumer and others, and George Clooney, who's now hiding. Hiding, yes. To get rid of Biden. And he was part of it. He's the only one that's still talking.

The rest of them all shut up and they took off. But this is on an obscure podcast. Somebody sent it to me. And I want to play these two clips, because it refers to this woman, and here we go. I think you place some of that blame on the Harris High Command. I love that scene in the movie, The Graduate, where he says, Benjamin, one word, son, one word, plastics. Plastics. One word, audit. So I have people that are contacting me to run for DNC chair.

I promise you I'm not going to get in the middle of that. What is he saying? You have to give me some, I can't even hear the context of what he's talking about. He said the one word he wants, like the word plastics in the movie, was audit. He wants the audit. He's sitting there steaming in his own juices about the fact that they spent, and he has numbers that are higher. He claims they squandered $2.5 billion, $2 .5 billion, not $2 billion, not $1 billion, $2.5. And he's demanding an audit.

He thinks that this is, the whole campaign was just a giant money laundering scheme. Well, how about this? Everybody was on the money train, and it was like, yeah, yeah, I'll do the podcast with you. Give me $500,000. We'll build a really nice set. Now, this brings us, you can play this clip. We can continue the clip in a second. You want to play the clip? Okay, go ahead.

Well, no, this brings us to the, as it starts to be revealed, that's why the audit would be interesting, is that our buddy, the Rev, picked up $500,000 to interview her on MSN, this is MSNBC, who I complained about over and over again, but MSNBC is obviously one of the most corrupt news operations out of NBC that the nation has. You don't give somebody a half a million dollars to put them on and interview them with the softball interview, which is exactly what happened.

By the way, the No Agenda show is very open to this kind of operation. Yeah, we'll take it. Yeah, we'll, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're good. We're good. We're good. Don't worry about it, boys. One word, audit. So I have people that are contacting me to run for DNC chair. I promise you I'm not going to get in the middle of that. Anybody, and I don't have a vote, or I don't have an opinion, no one cares, but I would say the policy number one is we're going to audit everything.

We're going to audit the campaign. We're going to audit Future Forward. We're going to audit the DNC. So people would know, but I'm telling you, without complete transparency, the campaign, we think, raised a billion and a half dollars. Okay? We know that Future Forward, last we saw, was 900 million, so we can assume that they got to a billion before election. That's two and a half fricking billion dollars. Do you have any idea where that money went?

Does anybody have any idea where that money went? I mean, I have some places I started looking, and it's all, Albert, I promise you this, the amount of money and the amount of lobbyists that were involved in this campaign is staggering. It's staggering. Well, talk more about that, James, because that's not what the Democrats are supposed to be. So we had this discussion that we thought when Harris was asked the money question, would you have done anything different than Biden?

I thought, I think you did too, but I'll let you speak for yourself. She just froze. She just, I want to be loyal to Biden. I just can't bring myself to her side, which was a very bad answer, but an understandably human answer. So then, sorry, Stephanie Cutter, and she goes on Pod Save America. No, that was by design. The reason she gave didn't even make any sense. Oh, oh, okay. Who's Stephanie Cutter? That's the woman that was, you were playing on Pod Save America.

No, that's not Stephanie Cutter. That's someone else. No, the woman that, she was in that group. Oh, okay, okay. I think she may have been the one that said dumb, dumb. Okay, okay, okay. So that was by design. But it's all part of the same. This is the echelon that he's bitching about. So let's go to part two. All right, so Stephanie Cutter owns a firm called Precision Strategies, who Jeff O'Malley, Dylan, used to work for. That much we know, all right?

And we think we know that they got a lot of the buy. I don't know, but there has to be an audit. Oh, so a lot of the money went to Pod Save America? No, no, they're talking about this strategies company that Kamala hired, and he says they got a lot of the buy. Oh, so they got a percentage of the advertising buys. Right, when you got a piece of the buys where you're the advertising agency, and you're doling, you got all this money, you're throwing it out there because you're getting 10% of it.

Yeah, so she's, I think it's 15. I think agency fee is 15. Okay, could be 15, could be 20 by now. But whatever it is, the more you spend, the more you make. So you have to get rid of this money. So they were throwing money away to get money. That's great. That's what he wanted the audit for, and that's what he's bitching about. And I think that's exactly what happened.

They had these, there was just too much, they got a, if you remember when Kamala first got nominated, as it were, if you want to call it that, they picked up like almost a billion dollars on the spot. Right away, yeah, it was in the kitty. And so they had, all of a sudden, it's a bonanza.

You're sitting there on a pile of money, and you notice that you're sending out these messages to everybody two or three times a day, begging them for more money to get all these little old ladies to throw their $50 in. And people who can't afford to donate, donating. And you're sitting on all this money. You've got to get rid of this money as fast as you can to make the money on the buy. This is a giant money laundering operation for all practical purposes.

What do you make, and I have a minute 15 of it, what do you make of the reason for Kamala Harris' obviously drunk message to be put out there? Is this more sabotage of her as a human being? Did theory, based on what I was watching, because I've seen this thing played and played and played, I don't know if you have it or not. Yeah, I have a minute 15. Well, let's discuss right now. And once you play it, then we can talk about it.

And it means so much to me and to Governor Walz that you knocked on doors, you called friends, you called in favors. You said, hey, you know, I showed up at your softball game, now I need you to show up at the campaign office. By the way, anybody who has been in a bar after 2 a.m. knows this person. I mean, this is not even questionable at this point. Showed up at your softball game, now I need you to show up at the campaign office. You put in the time, it was personal for you.

And you gave all that you could to support our campaign. Because of your efforts, get this, we raised an historic $1.4 billion, almost $1.5 billion. Again, I'll say, yeah, no, the election didn't turn out like we wanted it to. Certainly not as we planned for it to. But understand that the work we put into it was about empowering people. That's the spirit with work we did. I just have to remind you, don't you ever let anybody take your power from you.

You have the same power that you did before November 5th. And you have the same purpose that you did. And you have the same ability to engage and inspire. So don't ever let anybody or any circumstance take your power from you. That is the most drunk rant I've ever seen. Hey man, don't let them take your power. Don't let them take your power from you, man. Ever. You've got power. So why would, Meghan McCain reposted this herself with a note on Twitter saying, take this down.

This is a humiliation. She went on and on about it. It was quite an interesting post by her telling them to take this down, as I guess Meghan McCain voted for. But yeah, this is a sabotage move. This is the leftover people that, or the Democrats themselves, said it's because she threatened to run for governor. Yes. Yes. Yeah, I think that might've been, you know, we can't have this going on. We've got to take her down right away. Hey Kamala, just say what's on your heart into the camera here.

I believe that's what happened. It's a sabotage move. And she's too dumb to know. Sabotage. I mean, she's dumb. She's a dummy. Yeah. But I have another dummy who just, I could not believe, you know, sometimes these old -time Hollywood celebrities, they think, oh, I'm in Italy, so it doesn't really matter what I say. Oh, this is the most pathetic thing that you're going to play Sharon Stone. Yes. And this is a pathetic, I mean, Sharon Stone, there's one other one too.

Alec Baldwin, but I'm not interested in him. No, Baldwin's no good. But Sharon Stone's rant here is probably as pathetic as they get. I have some thoughts on it after you play it, maybe. You know, Italy has seen fascism. Italy has seen these things. You guys, you understand what happens. You have seen this before. My country is in its adolescence. Okay, can you stop it for a second and start backing up a little bit? Of course. You should know that, I'm going to give you a Sharon Stone story.

She used to live in the Bay Area. Well, then you happen to know her ex -husband-slash-boyfriend. Yeah. Okay. Bronstein, Phil. Phil. So they used their best, their restaurant of choice for years was Florida Lee. Where you and I have been many a time for lunch, Florida Lee. Yeah, it's because the chef's a friend of mine. It's gone now. Is it gone now? Is it gone? Is it still there? Oh, it's long gone. He moved to Vegas. I can't even get a hold of him. He's the one who wrote the forward for the...

Of course not. He wrote the forward for TooManyEggs.com. Oh, that's nice. Hubert Keller, yeah. Yeah. And he wrote the forward like forwards are typically written. John, can you write the forward and I'll sign it? I'm not reading this book. I'll just sign it. I like Mimi. She's cool.

So I talked to this couple of the wait staff there because they would call, Sharon So would call and demand a table at any given spot where there were reservations, whether the place was filled or not, and they'd always accommodate them. They're very accommodating. Of course, it's Sharon So. To superstars. Of course. The guy says to me, he says, the problem was... This is a good story time, Uncle John. I don't think... And I'm reminded of that story. It could be bull crap.

This is just a story I was told. Maybe she was sober as a judge all the time. I don't see no evidence of it, but I get the sense that she was in the same bag that Kamala was in when she gave this little talk here in Italy. And Italy is a place where they got good wine. Yeah. What happens? You have seen this before. My country is in its adolescence. Adolescence is very arrogant. Adolescence thinks it knows everything. Adolescence is naive and ignorant and arrogant.

And we are in our ignorant, arrogant adolescence. We haven't seen this before in our country. So Americans who don't travel, who 80% don't have a passport... We're stupid! ...who are uneducated... We're uneducated! ...are in their extraordinary naivete. Naivete. We're naivete. What I can say is that the only way that we can help with these issues is to help each other. Now, we can't just say that women should help women... No, no. ...because that's the only way we have survived so far.

We must say that good men must help good men. And those good men must be very aware that a lot of your friends are not good men. Hold on a second. Let me get this right. So, John, you and I have to help each other, but we have to be aware that one of us may not be a good man. Yeah. I'm worried. And you can't continue to pretend... Isn't this kind of like a unburdened-by -what-has-been speech here? It's really bad. There's more. ...are good men when they are not good men. Uh-huh. Few good men.

And you must be very clear-minded and understand that your friends who are not good men are dangerous, violent men. Oh. And you have to keep them away from your daughters, your wives, and your girlfriends, because this is a time when we can no longer look away when bad men are bad. Boy, this is like some sort of a virus, this word salad thing. I want to like her so much. Yeah, I want to like the old Cher. Well, a lot of people defended her because I think they've always liked her early acting.

Sure, sure. She was a very good-looking lady. Yeah, great stuff. My producer on the old Software Hard Talk used to go to high school with her... Yeah. ...and said that she was well-known, and it was in Pennsylvania. Yes, she's from Pennsylvania. She's a well-known roundheels in the high school. Roundheels? Yeah, you can figure that out yourself. That's as far as I'll go with it, but Sharon Stone is quite the personality. Oh, oh, I just looked it up. Okay, it's offensive slang, by the way.

Offensive slang is what you use there. Uh-huh. The, I will say it, the phrase alludes to the heels of a woman's shoes becoming rounded to her frequently falling backward. Wow. This is very old English. And that's the term that she used when she described it. Speaking of great words... Next, the word of the year. According to dictionary.com, it's demure. It's defined as characterized by shyness... ...and modesty or reserves.

Demure went viral over the summer when TikTok creator Jules LeBron used the phrase very demure, very mindful in her videos. Oh, yes, boy, thanks, mainstream media. Thank you. Demure, very demure, very mindful. Beautiful. It's beautiful. All right. Do something on this. Since we talked about Joe, you brought in, you said to one of our producers, I have the best clips of Joe Rogan with Marc Andreessen. Can I tell my Marc Andreessen story? I have one, too, but go ahead. No, you start first.

Well, my story's not as interesting as yours is gonna be because you got your stories after he became, I think, a VC, probably. No, no, my story is before he became a VC. Oh, well, my story is before he became a VC, too. Here's what happened. So I had condemned one of the... Oh, I had to think of his name. One of the... Partners? Jim Barksdale. It was Jim Barksdale. Boom. I had condemned him because I had offered him a ride at some event, and the way he shrugged me off was extremely insulting.

And so I kind of wrote it up in one of my columns, that, you know, it's what you do. Jim Barksdale, very wealthy man, had this very famous yacht. Yeah, and he's a southerner, southern drawl, he said. Yeah. Gentleman. Yeah. And so I wrote this thing up about Barksdale being an asshole. As one does in the turn-the-other -cheek world of John C. Dvorak. It was, you know, it was done in a way that was okay. It wasn't like I was, you know, I was just pointing out what happened. And so they...

Oh, it was a big fuss. And so they had to have a... Wait a minute, what magazine was this for? PC Magazine, the big boy. Oh, boy. You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Dvorak. And so I had to have a sit -down with Barksdale, and Andreessen showed up to it, and it was a sit-down at Florida Lee, of all places, once again. It's like a Nexus for a lot of this stuff. That's great, that's great, that's great.

So we had a dinner there, and we talked, and it was, you know, it was like it was a misunderstanding, and all the rest of it. It was a good dinner. I thought you were trying to run me over. I didn't understand you were trying to give me a ride. It was just, it was... But Andreessen was there, and Andreessen, when he had hair, he actually had hair. I don't know if you met him when he had hair. But he had hair. He didn't look like an egg. Elon had hair at one point, too, but not for long.

Elon's got hair. He has a bristle rug. Are you kidding me? That's plugs. Well, at least he's got hair. What's hair, though? It's hair. Andreessen's bald now. Yes, yeah. So when he had hair, and it was like... Andreessen was very reticent. He was a shy guy, and when he became a loudmouth venture capitalist, I just said, wow, I didn't know he had it in him. And, you know, and he's like... Yeah, there's a lot of stories about Andreessen. I've got others, but...

So that's when I first met him, and that was when he was still at Netscape, so... We'll play the clips, and then I will tell... Before the IPO, I believe. We'll play the clips, and then I will tell everybody my Marc Andreessen story. So what are we listening to here? This is on Rogan. We don't play that many Rogan clips, but this is a good one. This is news to me, and it was news to Rogan, and it was news to everybody. You didn't know about this? About the debanking of 30 venture capital...

Chokehold 2.0? Defunded companies? Yes, yeah, I knew about this. I did not know about this. Hmm, all right, here we go. And then my favorite twist is we have this thing called independent federal agencies. So, for example, we have this thing called the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau, CFPB, which is sort of Elizabeth Warren's... Oh, by the way, stop the clip for a second. When I met Marc Andreessen at the Florida... He wasn't a fast talker either. I know, I know.

What is this fast talking thing? Silicon Valley venture capital nonsense. It's milieu, milieu. It's milieu. Of course. That she gets to control. And I got to do a lot of this. Yeah, he's sniffing a lot. We should do this a lot. I actually had to cut a couple of them out of the clip. Oh, that's too bad. Independent agency that just gets to run and do whatever it wants, right? And if you read the Constitution, like there is no such thing as independent...

I'm just thinking, fast talking, does that remind you of anything? An agency. And yet there it is. He never... Okay, I know what you're hinting at, but he doesn't have the other affectations. He doesn't tap his nose. No, he doesn't have any of that. No, I don't believe that. I think it's just maybe too much coffee. Black rifle. Agency do whatever she wants. What does it do though? Basically, terrorize financial institutions, prevent decrypt Fintech, prevent new competition, new startups.

Whoa, that was a good one, Marc. Terrorize financial institutions, prevent decrypt Fintech, prevent new competition, new startups that want to compete with the big banks. How so? Just terrorizing anybody who tries to do anything new in financial services. Can you give me an example? You know, debanking. This is where a lot of the debanking comes from is these agencies. So debanking is when you as either a person or your company are literally kicked out of the banking system.

Like they did to Kanye. Exactly, like they did to Kanye. My partner Ben's father has been debanked. Really? We had an employee... For what? For having the wrong politics, for saying unacceptable things. Under current banking regulations... Okay, here's a great thing. Under current banking regulations, after all the reforms in the last 20 years, there's now a category called a politically exposed person, PEP.

And if you are a PEP, you are required by financial regulators to kick them out of your bank. What? But what if you're politically on the left? That's fine. No, really? Because they're not politically exposed. So no one on the left gets debanked? I have not heard of a single instance of anybody on the left getting debanked. Can you tell me what the person that you know did? What they said that got them debanked? Oh, well, I mean, David Horowitz is a right wing. You know, he's pro-Trump.

I mean, he's said all kinds of things. You know, he's been very anti-Islamic terrorism. He's been very worried about immigration, all these things. And they debanked him for that? Yeah, they debanked him. So you get kicked out of your bank account. You get kicked out of the... You can't do credit card transactions. By the way, you can't run... How is that legal? Well, exactly. So this is the thing.

And then you go to this thing of like, well, there's no... This is where the government and the companies get intertwined. Back to your fascism point, which is there's no... There's a constitutional amendment that says the government can't restrict your speech, but there's no constitutional amendment that says the government can't debank you. So this was called... I don't know what you're saying. You want to play the second clip when we talk about it or what? Well, you had something to say?

Well, so choke point, two point... Choke point 2.0. Yeah, he talks about that in the second clip. Okay. Then they don't have to debank you. They just have to put pressure on the private company banks to do it. And then the private company banks do it because they're expected to. But the government gets to say, we didn't do it. It was the private company that did it. And of course, JPMorgan can decide who they want to have as customers. Of course, right? It's their private company.

And so it's this sleight of hand that happens. So it's basically, it's a privatized sanctions regime that lets bureaucrats do to American citizens the same thing that we do to Iran. Whoa. Just kick you out of the financial system. This has been happening to all the crypto entrepreneurs in the last four years. This has been happening to a lot of the fintech entrepreneurs, anybody trying to start any kind of new banking service because they're trying to protect the big banks.

And then this has been happening, by the way, also in legal fields of economic activity that they don't like. And so a lot of this started about 15 years ago with this thing called Operation Truck Point, where they decided to, as marijuana started to become legal, as prostitution started to become legal, and then guns, which there's always a fight about.

Under the Obama administration, they started to debank legal marijuana businesses, escort businesses, and then gun shops, just like your gun manufacturers. And just like you're done, you're out of the banking system. And so if you're running a medical marijuana dispensary in 2012, guess what? You're doing your business all in cash because you literally can't get a bank account. You can't get a visa terminal. You can't process transactions. You can't do payroll. You can't do direct deposit.

You can't get insurance. None of that stuff, you've been sanctioned. None of that stuff is available. And then this administration extended that concept to apply it to tech founders, crypto founders, and then just generally political opponents. Yeah, so that's been super pernicious. I wasn't aware of that. Oh, 100%. So it was Operation Chokepoint 1.0 was 15 years ago against the pot and the guns.

Chokepoint 2.0 is primarily against their political enemies and then to their disfavored tech startups. And it's hit the tech world hard. We've had like 30 founders debanked in the last four years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's been a big recurring pattern. So Chokepoint 1.0, actually there was a document called Operation Chokepoint, and I think we probably even talked about that years ago. That was mainly the pot shops. I wonder if I have Chokepoint. Let me see.

Yes. Oh, it looks like clips that you had. Let me see. What purpose did you hold for Missouri Rise? Oh, yeah. So there was a whole hearing in Congress about it. I don't think there was ever a document called 2.0, but he's a little disingenuous. I'd never heard of the Peps. So that's something I wasn't familiar with.

I don't think there was ever a document called Chokepoint 2.0, but in the Bitcoin, and as he says, crypto circles, this is really something that's been discussed around, particularly the SEC and Gary Gensler because there was such. And so, yeah, Elizabeth Warren was in there as well. So against crypto, which of course, except for Bitcoin, everything else is what they call a shit coin. It's just it really is no good.

In my opinion, these companies and subsequently the people who are running the companies were being debanked because of the danger to the system. And I think there was definitely pressure from the SEC and from Gary Gensler in particular. And that's why you saw the Bitcoin conference, all this, I would just say pressure on Trump to say two things. One, he will pardon Ross, Silk Road Ross. And two, fire Gary Gensler. And that's because of this.

But to me, it's more about the, we don't want your fake money to come into our system than about the political stuff. Andreessen's making it very political here. I'm not sure that's, and some of it may be true, but I don't think it's entirely true. I can see that.

Now my, well, for him, there's a lot of reasons why Silicon Valley, people like Andreessen Horowitz, why they want Trump because he, you know, they put a lot of money into his campaign and he was, he said, okay, I'm going to make sure that you're good with your Bitcoin. And here's the key, your stable coins, your stable coins. Because that's going to be the, I believe that's going to be the Trump money printing system without actually printing money. Because the biggest stable coin is Tether.

It's backed by U.S. treasuries, in fact, and Bitcoin, but Tether buys, the biggest buyer of U.S. treasuries right now to back their stable coin. So you get this company to buy the treasuries. That's your lending. So you already are creating money by doing that. And then you get to bake on top of it an equal amount of stable coin. I have a feeling Trump sees this and somehow that's how he's going to print money without printing money. We'll see. Now my Marc Andreessen story. We go back to 1993.

So this is before your Fleur de Lis meeting, way before your Fleur de Lis meeting. And I have set up MTV.com with a Gopher server. Do we remember the Gopher server? Oh yeah, of course. Not everybody does. But Gopher, I remember seeing my, so this is before the World Wide Web. Go for this and go for that. Well, there's two parts to this story. So I set up- So you met Andreessen when he was still at the university? Let me get to the story.

Okay. So I set up a Gopher server, which is what blew me away about the internet, is you could have this document, a page of text, and you could say, all right, link here to go to this other server and get their page of text. And then you could have document pages on that server and it was all connected and this was basically the web. And so the first part of the story is I set up this Gopher server, which is made by the University of Minnesota. Their CIS department had created this.

And I was on MTV going, hey, go to MTV.com. I've got a Gopher server. And then they called me up and they said, you're going to have to pay us a $5,000 license for using the Gopher server. Like, what are you talking about? It's open source. Yeah, but it's, you know, we own the, we own this and you're using it commercially. I'm like, MTV is not using, it's me. I'm just a dude. I don't have $5,000. And we struck a deal.

And the deal was they would forgo the license as long as they wore a University of Minnesota Gopher t-shirt on MTV. And you can still find that on YouTube. So around this time, I get an email, Adam at MTV.com, I get an email from this guy, Mark Andreessen, who's at the University of Champaign-Urbana, Illinois. He says, hey man, hey man, I love what you're doing with this MTV.com. Try out this software I've made. It's called HCTPD and it's version 0.9. You can install it.

And then I have this thing called Mosaic and you can do multimedia. And so I set it up. And then that was the last I ever heard from him. But that was my encounter with Mark Andreessen is he asked me to... MTV.com was one of the early websites on the World Wide Web because Andreessen asked me to set it up. Did that disappoint you? Well, that story tops mine, I think. A little bit. Because my story really didn't have too much to do with him. And I will say that that's a really great story.

Oh, well, thank you. Rarely do you think my stories are that good. Well, I say because it's a historic moment. Yes, it is. And what makes it even greater is the irony of the entire... the way it came... the way the whole thing fell apart. Because you were like, obviously at the time, it's some sort of a savant visionary who put this thing up. And MTV was so clueless with the boneheads that were running it that they not only... they basically fired you. It's a story for another time, kids.

Yes. But in the meantime, I want to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you, the man who put the sea in process, he say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. John C. Dvorak! In the morning to you, Mr. Adam Curry. In the morning to all the ships, the seaboots in the ground, feeding the air, subs in the water, and all the dames and knights out there. In the morning to all you turkey trolls out there. Don't move. Let me see what you've got.

Yeah, it was kind to be expected. It's Thanksgiving. 1,512 trolls at the peak. Kind of to be expected. It was 300 low. It's still pretty good for considering people are arguing with their in-laws right now. I mean, some of them... Some of them are just sitting in the corner with their headphones on, you know, rocking back and forth like Bill Gates, like, don't talk to me. What are you doing? I'm listening to something important. Yes. Those trolls are very... You should be listening to the show.

Those trolls are very important. They are listening to the show. And they're listening live at trollroom.io or perhaps using a modern podcast app, which is free of ALGOS. ALGOS, L-A-L-G-O-S, Greek for pain and suffering. Look it up. The modern podcast app, which you can find at podcastapps.com, will in fact alert you when we go live, even if you're out and about and like, oh, that's right, the show. They got a show. You already saw the newsletter.

Like, you kind of remembered, but oh, that's right, the show's starting. And then when we publish the show, it notifies you within 90 seconds. We've got all kinds of cool things. Transcripts, you can search those. Oh, you know, this is an anti-AI story. So bingit.io, which forwards to the Clip Genie website that Sir Deenonymous put together bingit .io, which is fantastic. It's a search engine. You search the transcripts, you search the clips, you search articles.

I mean, everything that we've created up to a certain point because we lost a lot in a previous system we were using. Drop.io, if you remember that. Yep. And they got Aqua hired, and then all of a sudden, everything was gone. We lost all of our show notes for a couple of years. So I get this email from one of our producers, and he says, bingit.io, emergency. You've got to look at this. This is very important. He sends me a screenshot. He says, I just tried the new Grok

website analyzation on bingit.io. Bro, it expired two days ago. And I'm looking at this, so I'm looking at this screenshot of Grok, which is the ex-AI, and it says, to analyze the website bingit.io, here's what can be gathered from available data. And then it says, domain registration, domain bingit .io is registered November 25th, 2017, with an expiration date set for November 25th, 2024. And it has all this who is information. And I'm like, this doesn't make any sense.

You know, first of all, it's working, so it hasn't been turned off. So I go in, it doesn't expire until November 25th, 2025, and it's set to auto renewal. And I said, this is insane that people believe these, that they trust these systems. Yeah. It's crap. It's 100% crap.

Well, like I'm reminded that when I was looking for that blonde woman that was sitting next to the podium and all these systems failed, including the one you did, Chet GPT, by identifying her, we had three people that wrote in and identified her. That's NAI. No agenda intelligence. Right, no agenda intelligence. And if I pushed it harder, I probably would've gotten 10 people to help me out. But three people, which is out of the blue, just always so-and-so, I can't remember her name.

She's the head of the, she's the one who organized the whole event. And you'd think these AI systems could figure out who that was, but no. It's no good. It's good for very superficial stuff. Yeah. Well, example. So Horowitz, who is very pro-AI, and I'm very anti-AI. I mean, I'm not against it. It's just I have poor experiences, and I don't think it's good for very much. It's good for a few things. So he sends me a summary of DH Unplugged.

And he's run it through Chet GPT or something, and it's this incredibly long, tedious document that completely describes your episode. And he's like, it's basically like, look at how good this stuff is. He likes it, yeah. I'm like, well, I didn't read it. I'm not going to read this. It's tedious. Just tell me what you talked about. It's a very long, so I appreciate his his trust in it all. You know what's interesting, not to mention, I was just thinking about this.

These systems that do the writing, they are verbose. Oh, flowery. And what you really want is abstract. You want things like, you want it boiled down. You want a reader's digest version, not a war and peace version of what you're thinking. You don't want something that goes on for days and days. You want something that's really tight. That it cannot do. No. And why not? That's what you want. You want tight. You don't want verbose. You know, it's interesting. We didn't play this clip.

Let me continue with this complaining. When you have that phony baloney podcast that they do, I've pointed this out, you know, with the two people, they're already going to do a deep dive. They stretch stuff too. It's a stretch. They take a simple idea. I proved this with a couple of things we posted. One, we used to play on the show. But instead of keeping it tight and short and sweet, they will go on and start bringing other stuff into the conversation. It's not necessary.

It's just, it's interesting that they can't do that right. So I put that whole thing into chat GPT that he sent me. And I said, summarize the content of this in 400 words or less. Well, it did exactly 400 words. The podcast episode features John and Andrew engaging in a dynamic, wide ranging discussion on topics spanning personal plans, financial markets, current events, and social trends. But there's already a waste of time. Yes, you're wasting my time.

The conversation begins with lighthearted Thanksgiving plans, including John. Again, this is who cares. Yes, including John's experiment with smoking a turkey in an electric smoker and updates on their new t-shirt designs delayed by issues with an artist. Unimportant. I know. This discussion transitions into current events, highlighting the resignation rumors surrounding Janet Yellen. It's like, this is not a good summary of this podcast. It's not. Anyway, I guess people like flowery language.

I do have, just because we're on it and then I don't have to do it after the, after we thank some people. There's the, this is, did we do this, the podcast about from nobody special finance, about the AI job bots. Did we do that already? I don't know. There's a new generation of AI job app, applier apps. So you go to a site, you upload your resume, you give it some keywords and then. Yeah, I think so. We already did that. Okay. Well, I remember it and maybe it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

Yeah. Well, I have, you're going to start doing a showdown on the AI stuff. I do have my AI clip, but I mean, AI news is AI news, not an AI clip. Oh, hold on a second. Hold on. Amazon says it's investing another $4 billion in the artificial intelligence startup and traffic amid the ongoing battle to lead the AI future in the Silicon Valley. The additional money brings Amazon's total investment to $8 billion. Anthropic is the company behind Claude, a chat bot like open AI.

The money pouring into AI ventures is fueling a search for the next chat GPT. Okay. $8 billion. So far. And what do they got to show for it? It's a drop in the bucket. It's a drop in the bucket. It's nothing. All right. Thank you, trolls for being here. They are an AI, no agenda intelligence. Sometimes it works. They're never wordy though. They're always very short and to the point are NAI. They just go, boom, here's what I think of you. Sucks. That sucks. Rap sucks. Thanksgiving sucks.

Yeah. They're very, very short with all that stuff. We have many ways that people can help us or N AI. We have to say, right. The N AI is one way. We appreciate all of our trolls who participate in that. The other way is, well, you could do lots of things. We like time, talent and treasure. As you've heard, clicks, listens, views, makes no difference to us. Never has. We only care about, can we pay the bills? That's that has always been our mantra. And as long as that's happening, we're happy.

And we'll continue in the last four years of the show doing that. See, I've switched now from four more years to the last four years. I'm preparing everybody for soft landing, soft landing, time, talent and treasure. You can do a number of things and including hitting people in the mouth, letting them know about the show. Lots of like void zero, but many people.

Uh, and who were very thankful for, by the way, and all we did, we did have a note from one of our, uh, artists or would be artists or an artist. Do you have it? Did you get this note too? Does it really enjoy the discussion of the art? I have the note. Oh, I would like you to read it. Listening to no agenda, 1715. You said someone complained about the art segment. What a Philistine. I vote. Yes. For the art segment. It's almost worth the whole show. I was following along in the art generator.

It wasn't ill. I was an illustrator for many years, a cartoonist, a professional in graphic arts, fine arts major. And I can say authoritatively that your cover art community is really something. It's hard to believe that you have such an embarrassment of riches to choose from two times a week. I hope you appreciate it because it's astonishing and you get it all without any cash changing hands. Keep up the good art segment says a non Mark.

Well, no, it's, it's a, it's part of our value for value model. So, um, cash is good, but we like time and talent as well. So we're going to take a look at the artwork. First. Thank the artist who brought us the artwork for episode seven 15, which was scruples. Um, yes, of course it was a Darren O'Neill who did Darren O'Neill has some amazing prompt skills. I mean, we just have to recognize how good it is.

And yet he comes so close to a perfect 10 and somehow gets the wrong ear for the bandaid on Trump's head. It's astonishing. It's astonishing. And this is, he's done this before. Hasn't he got the ear on the wrong side? Yeah. Or I know we've rejected art before because, but this was just so good because this was the new TDS. Um, the can was great. It had this whole additional no agenda soda company logo, which was gorgeous. That really was good by itself would have been just good.

And then he says so good. It's insane. I mean, it really, we had a lot to choose from. A lot of artists, um, went for this. Um, and now I'm going through all the turkeys to just scroll down to see what else we were looking at for that episode. Um, let's see. Fred pound had kind of a classic. Uh, it also had TDS classic, you know, um, we liked the one that had both, which was also Darren.

We had the classic T instead of saying TDS classic, he had classic TDS and the new TDS, two cans next to each other. And with Trump, one without the bandaid and one with, I just don't see why he didn't put it on the correct ear. It was very, that was true. It's not him. Oh, it's the AI. Yeah. How dumb is the AI? Um, clip custodian had an, we thought it was nice. He had the, the TDS soda, but again, the classic should have been under the TDS and not above it. Um, was there anything else?

Wow. I'm scrolling off the page here. That was more, um, max buffer. Okay. There was a number of decent pieces that we could have chosen other things, except for the fact that the Darren O'Neill piece was so outstanding. Yeah, it really was. And I think it was also the no agenda soda company that really that really, and again, concept, it was concept execution happened to be good, except for that one flaw concept was just good.

Uh, and the other thing is the originality of the can, as opposed to looking like a Coca-Cola can with the Coca-Cola colors. I think, yeah, that was important. I don't know if it was important, but it did work. Yeah. Because Nessworks did a TDS and Ness, I don't think that was AI. It was a mess. And it was just, you see the curry, it just had just too much going on. He had too much, too much happening in it. Uh, but this looked like a very classic energy drink. Like it was a new energy drink.

He just couldn't get past it. It was that good. And if you're good, you're good. I mean, Darren has figured that out. He's going to be producing tons of stuff for today's show, and then he won't get anything picked. Again, it's, it's more of the conceit. by the way, Turkey, Thanksgiving theme. This is going to be, it's got to be a Thanksgiving theme. We're not going to pick it. I can tell you right now in advance. We are traditionalists that way. We are just traditionalists.

So thank you, Darren. And of course, thank you to all of the artists, whether you do it original. I can see the farmer's wife. The farmer's wife has already put one of her kids pieces up. It's, it's definitely in the running. Do you see it? Up at the top? Up at the top. Yeah, that's pretty good. She has, she puts her kids to work like kids. We're not doing AI here. She's homeschooling him. Like you draw a Turkey for these turkeys. I love it. I love the kerning on no agenda. It's a whole thing.

It's awesome. It's awesome. It's fabulous. Thank you all very much. No agenda. Art generator.com. Follow along. And in the modern podcast app, we have chapters. Dreb Scott. Thank you, brother for doing that so diligently for us. And he takes these images, uses many, if not all of them often to put those into the chapter. So everybody gets a shake at the stick. Now let us thank the executive and associate executive producer for episode 700, 1,716. We appreciate anybody.

Who sends us any amount, particularly those sustaining donations, which are any amount, any frequency you set it up yourself at no agenda donations .com. We will thank everybody with the amount above $50. And we like to always stop and give a special thanks to our executive and associate executive producers. Here's how it works. Associate executive producer, which is a real title. It's a show business credit. You can use it anywhere they are accepted, including imdb.com.

We will read your note and you get that, that credit and that, that title as associate executive producer, $300 and above you become an executive producer. And we also read your notes. So I'll kick it off with sir. Dan, the man who comes in from Cape Coral, Florida with 1473 62. I don't know the significance of the number other than it must be with PayPal fees. I'm guessing, or maybe not. We don't know. He does not allude to it in the note. He says, you'd have to go look. He says, good evening.

Good evening, Adam and John and Adam. Good evening. Good evening to you, sir. I'm buying. Oh, I'm buying my doctorate and completing my earldom. There you go. Please dub me, sir. Dan, the man Earl of Southwest Florida, happy Thanksgiving to you and your families. It's been a pleasure listening to you, especially over the last few months with the run -up and post election commentary. P.S. John, your vasectomy opinion is just BS. Every time you mention it, it's just cringe worthy.

I guess he's a victim. Love. You mean it. Thanks to the best, to the best podcast in the universe and no agenda nation from sir, Dan, the man. Thank you. I haven't mentioned it for, I don't know, six months. I think he's, I think he's hurt by it, but I, but now that you brought it back up, there has been a few politicians and others that have shown come forth. That you look at him, you go there. Yep. There you go. Yep. Would you want to mention any so we can. I have to think of that.

I can't remember his last name. I think it's Goldman, Dan Goldman or something is, is a, he's one of the congressmen from New York and he's, you look at him and it's like, okay, there's one. And I'm trying to think of some other ones that have been popping up. I just haven't been thinking about it. I'm pretty sure Schumer. You could be wrong about him. Yeah. Okay. Louie Kellogg is up a Lewis Kellogg from parts unknown, $1,030 and 26 cents.

Oh, and by the way, for people don't know what I'm talking about, but the vasectomy, the vasectomies were used, were invented for two purposes. First, they were invented as a workaround for a castration of criminals who were sex offenders, which is part of the original invention. And then it turned out that they had a, they would develop a certain look. And so it was used as a, a methodology to keep people. It was considered a youth cure.

You could, you'd get a vasectomy and you'd look younger over time. It would change your appearance just enough to make you look like you're not as old as you were, but that parents always, to me, turns you into looking like an old lesbian. So that was my thesis. Yes. And you're sticking to it. And we would point out people over the years that had this look as a certain look you get. And we'd call them vasectomy victims. And I guess, I guess Sir Dan, the man is likely suffering from this.

I'm guessing I, maybe not. Maybe you could be wrong. You could be wrong. I could be totally wrong about this. And he's just doesn't like talking about it. But some reason I will say the Earl of Southwest Florida looks pretty young and healthy to me. So Louie Kellogg came in with 10 30 26. And he'd say, I'd like to be known as Lord Lubro. Please de-douche me. You've been de-douched. So I guess it's going to be nighted today. This is my first contribution, contribution to the show.

Uh, we, uh, it's a show course. We need mead, mead at the table. Anyway, we need, it says mead and I, and, and I don't know what that means. He needs meat at the table. He just wants me. You got it. You got it. Well, thank you, Lewis. First time contributing straight to knighthood. Beautiful. Dame lady, get over it. 1,030 and 26. So that is, uh, she has collecting all the credential I can before my exit strategy. Does that mean she is getting a, uh, a doctor of education? I would guess so.

Um, I might have used up the last jobs. Karma. You gave me on a small win at work. May I please have a Trump jobs, karma for the super secret squirrel 4d chess. I still have in the works. Why? Yes, of course. P.S. PhDs were offered when I was on unpaid maternity leave. If that was offered again, I would enroll. Love is lit. Says Dame lady, get over it. Jobs, jobs, job. You've got karma. And you've got this one too. I do. Okay. Yeah. Captain chem trail. Uh, okay.

So I have some jingles already that he needs me to put up here. So make sure I get these. Um, I've been an avid list. This is six 2164. I've been an avid listener of no agenda since show 1348 in may 2021. My brother turned me onto no agenda show. Well, I was searching for a replacement for the rush limbaugh show. Thank you. Well, that's quite honorable.

Thank you for providing Gitmo nation and me relief from the bias babble of the M five M your show provides me laughter, sanity, and relief from the relentless M five M propaganda. However, I have been a freeloader. I have benefited from the show, but did not support it. This ends now, please. D douche. You've been D douche. I am a captain with a very large us airline based in a large metropolitan area along the east coast.

Fellow citizens of Gitmo will know they're flying with me when they hear my subtle yet obvious ITMs. Thank you for your courages, FEMA region notifications and 30 threes during my announcements, please stop by the cockpit and say, hi, I love that. Yes. Start by the cockpit. And yeah, because these captains usually stand in there as you're leaving. You say ITM. Yeah, exactly. And then maybe you get like a special tour of the cockpit or something. You never know.

You might, you might hook a brother up. I request massive amounts of no agenda, health karma for my beautiful wife. She has been suffering from stage four kidney cancer for the last two years. She lost a kidney and the cancer has been kicking her, but the treatments have slowed, but not stopped the spread. Please send her cosmic healing karma. She needs it. Well, of course I will pray for her. And he requests chemtrails, rubble, lies, or F cancer.

Here's the four more years of awesome M five M deconstruction. And to keeping us sane, captain chemtrail, chemtrail of CVG, AKA Hannibal of Hebron. Sir, sir. Tyler in Alaska, Alaska, Alaska. Yes. AK Alaska. Uh, keep up the great work and supporting your media deconstruction at three, three, three is all Tyler systems.com. Tyler systems.com can afford right now, but we're working on it with the abundance of opportunity and AI.

Is it possible to build a software company with the value for value model? I don't know. I don't know. And he says, I don't know, but I'll keep you and fellow producers posted. So he's going to try to do it. It's called shareware. Don't you? Yeah. Shareware. Shareware. I've heard of that. Yeah. Shareware. You know, it used to originally be called freeware. No, but then it became shareware. My software is shareware. Now it's a, no, I, I think you can make a lot of money with shareware.

If you've got something that that's good, everybody gets, I mean, if you, it's again, a percentage of the total, but you can get a lot of money if you have a super popular product. I support a software that asks for donations all the time. I turned down my opportunity for Y Combinator this spring to chase exciting things going on in Alaska.

Better to invest in one's community and build what you want and want to live in rather than be whisked away to their groupthink reeducation sorting center in Sunnyvale. Yeah, that sounds about right. Or, I'm sorry, incubator. There you go. I still, oh, can an email, but it's coming. Thank you for getting more nation. Tyler systems.com outsourcing problems and insourcing solutions. Best sir. Tyler in Alaska. Go check it out. Whatever that is. Tyler system. T Y L E R systems.

Aaron, Aaron, boy or quest boy or cares? How would you pronounce that? Bojo cares. B O J O R Q U E Z Boyer cares. I think it's a size B boy. I think it's Boyer kids. Boyer kids. He's in mission. I'm guessing. I mean, I don't have to be wrong. He's in Mission Viejo, California. No note for three hundred and thirty three donations. So instead, he gets a double up karma. You've got karma. Jeff Botten in Greensboro, North Carolina, three, three, three dot three, three.

Thank you for your courage, John and Adam. Happy Thanksgiving from Jovial Jeff in Greensboro, North Carolina. On my way to knighthood. Kindly accept my second executive producer donation for 1716. My at a glance kitchen calendar informs me that this is more than just a Thanksgiving day episode. This is also magic number day episode. No, this episode airs on November 28th, 2024, the 33rd, 333rd day of the year. What? Yeah. What a squandered opportunity with 33 more days to go. Can you believe it?

Keep watch for my magical three, three, three dot three, three donation via PayPal, a leap year exclusive magic number day donation. Wow. Yeah, it doesn't happen that often. No jingle, please. 33. It's the magic number. May you both never need an exit strategy. All the best, Jeff. 33. That's the magic number. It's the magic number. There you go. I would say if people that want to get on this good, go to the no agenda donations.com right now and, and donate three, three, three.

Well, there's, you could, yes. And we'll still credit you with that magic number donation. Yeah, I think something like the next show. Yeah. Yeah. We'll do it for sure. We move on to Sean Simmons in Stanford, Virginia, three 33 dot 33. And he says, John C. Adam 33, Robilizer, Trump come and Dean scream. Thanks for working the holiday. I make triple time work in the holiday. So you should as well. I also owe you for working on the 4th of July. That is included.

So he wants Robilizer, Trump come and Dean scream. Stand by 33, 33, 33. Robilizer out. I'm going to come. Matthew Ross and Indian trail, North Carolina, three, three, three. Please look at the link for message clip of the day.com slash family slash PayPal. Blah, blah, blah. Okay. Adam Curry and John's John C. Dvorak. I don't know what. Okay. So did you get something from him?

Yeah. So he has clip of the day.com and he sent a very breathy three and a half minute audio message talking about what he's going to do with clip of the day.com. And I really appreciate it, but there's no way we can, it was kind of all over the place. So we're not going to play it in the donation segment, but anybody can go take a look at it. If you go to clip of the day

.com and he does have plans for clip of the day.com, which is a great website to have since clip of the day is something that you can collect from the no agenda show. And we thank him very much for his $333 support of the show. As I move on to James bats, old bats, old Davenport, Iowa, three 33. I made this donation honor of my mom's birthday on the 29th, November 29th. It's also, there you go. The 333rd day of the year. Hence the donation.

I made a donation earlier this year and commented that my mother, Katie bots old, listen to the show and ends up falling asleep by the first donation segment. Adam proceeded to say, Katie, Katie bucks. I'll wake up. She loved it. She turned 74. Oh, happy birthday, Katie. We are also celebrating her being cancer free. Well, where's my, thank you for all you do for more years. No jingles, but F cancer for all regards, James bots old. Yes. Congratulations. That's great. You're here, Katie.

You've got karma. Nice Eloise of the woods in Vancouver, Washington, two 33 dot 33. She becomes our first, uh, associate executive producer. Uh, she writes a note, a handwritten note says there, uh, Adam and John remember when the ballot box was set afire in Vancouver, Washington about a week before the election.

Yes. The election office solve the situation, not with cameras, but by hiring highly skilled temp workers like me, Oh, to conduct 24, seven in -person stakeouts of the 22 ballot boxes in the County for over a week. Nice. Please. D douche me with half of my stakeout wages of two 33, 33. You've been D douche. She says, because the no agenda episodes kept me half alert and entertained throughout all the all night shifts, half alert, inflation era coffee and taxes used up the other half of my wages.

Eloise of the woods in Vancouver, Washington. Great note. Eloise. Thank you. Appreciate that. Calipages. Colin is in Willow spring, North Carolina, row of ducks to 22 dot 22 says, please accept this short row of ducks. In appreciation for all your great work, it's not as lucrative as the money you'd be receiving as a Russian asset. True, but it does vaguely reflect the value I received from your work. By the way, I'd like to let my fellow slaves know for certain baby making karma works.

I'm happy to inform you that my smoking hot wife is now carrying our third human resource do this spring around Passover, by the way, you Zionist chills, he says, well, as long as you name him or her, Adam, John, Colin, or great name, great name, John Adam, John Adam. There you go. No jingles, no karma. Thank you for what you do. Calipages, J a Calipages, Colin dub spring, North Carolina. Thank you. And congratulations. That's that's great. We love it. We love it.

So let's, let me do Linda Lou Patkin and Lakewood, Colorado. We were getting to the end here. Okay. Uh, 200 bucks. She says, I'm so grateful for you both. Happy Thanksgiving and four more years of jobs. Karma for a winning resume that gets results. Go to image makers, Inc. .com. That's image makers, Inc. With a K and work with Linda Lou, Duchess of jobs and writer of resumes. Thank you. Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's vote for jobs. Karma. And we have, uh, Eli, the coffee guy with two 1128.

Happy Thanksgiving to all out there and get one nation. He says, today's the first time to enjoy a good meal and time with the family tomorrow, black Friday, the season of consumerism begins. Remember to support small businesses to help your community and America thrive, visit gigawatt coffee roasters .com. We have a site wide sale. Stay caffeinated. Eli, the coffee guy. Yeah. He said in the second note in that thing, making sure that he wished everybody happy Thanksgiving. Yeah. Uh, yes.

Okay. Happy. Thanks. Fuse nine, six, nine LLC, uh, in Newark, New Jersey came with 200 bucks. Top of the morning, Adam and John, happy Thanksgiving to you, your families, and all the no agenda folk, long time listener, finally donating to support this amazing show. Can I get a jobs and money? Karma jingle. Well, there's no money. Karma jingle. The karma jingle does it by itself, but we proceed it with the jobs. Of course, jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs. Let's go. I'll add a goat.

Brian Schmidt, Canton, Michigan, almost done $200. He says, Adam, keep pushing blue sky people. Probably the people John follows on Tik TOK are buying up blue sky digital stock like crazy. The only problem is blue sky digital. Isn't the social media company. It's a shit coin company out of Toronto and it's hilarious. It's up to 49 cents. It is now blue cry. My friend loved the show. Here's the four more years.

I would call Michael Schmidt a douche bag, but it's the holidays and mom would get mad. So I'll just say happy Thanksgiving to all Brian Schmidt, Canton, Michigan. And he says, I would like Mac and cheese followed by ants. The short version. And then he has a link to that story about blue sky digital. Thank you very much. Happy Thanksgiving to you, brother. You slaves can get used to Mac and cheese. Macaroni and cheese cheddar melted together. Mac and cheese, Mac and cheese, Mac and cheese.

I got ants. I got ants. You've got karma. Steven man's last on the list here. Good list. Very good. Yeah. He's in Plymouth township, Michigan, and he says, and he's came over 200 bucks and says simply nice. No here. Happy Thanksgiving. Keep up the great work. Well, that's easy. That's easy. Thank you very much. And thank you to everybody who supported us. We'll be thanking more people $50 and above in our second segment.

And as always, whatever you do, if you want to keep the show going, we love sustaining donations can be $5 a month. You, I mean, that's a coffee, not even a coffee these days. You get to determine the amount and the frequency. You can set it up at no agenda donations.com. Once again, the support, the show financially, no agenda donations.com. You'll remember it. If I say it three times, no agenda donations.com. Thank you again. Our formula is this. We hit people in the mouth.

Well, I have something I want to play off. All right. This is where I got some stuff on the ceasefire, but I also have this since it relates to the last segment. This is the, I can start it with the teaser or what we're going to play. And this again involves that horrible Lopez woman on PBS. Oh, you even labeled it horrible teaser. Okay. Do I just hit it? Yeah, I hit the teaser still to come on the news hour.

How Donald Trump's reelection fits into a broader acceptance of authoritarian leadership. Authoritarian leadership, authoritarian. So they're going to stick with this because we've been, you and I have both been trying to find what thematic things are going to do about Trump. Yeah. And so they're going to go with this crate. This report is so ludicrous. Let's start.

Well, unfortunately I use the at sign instead of the number two for the second clip, but this is the horrors, horrid PBS report on Trump, Trump's authoritarianism. Just so you know, I speak to Vorak. So when I see the at sign, I know it means number two. You said something to the banker about this, by the way, she told me. What? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What, what did she tell you? I want to, cause she, all right. No, just tell me what she told you.

I can't remember the phrase, but you use some phrase I've never heard. Uh, the Vorak is, um, or something. No, that's not true. Oh, she, here's the story, the backstory. So we do a distribution of the funds. And I just, Adam has a local bank account here at the same bank at the Albany mechanics bank. And I had had to change the account number for, for a reason. It's not important, but it had to be, Adam's got a new account there.

And so, unfortunately, I don't know what happened when I did the cut and paste, cause I'm a cut and paste guy. I left the old account there. So the banker couldn't get ahold of me, I guess, and calls you up. She says, um, yeah, John, I want to deposit, uh, um, you know, you're like your end of month. I love it. We're so like your end of month salary. Um, but, uh, he got the number all screwed up. And it's, uh, and, and I think I said, Oh, well that's John.

I don't think I said anything like a John. there was some, it was a phrase. I'm sorry. I didn't write it down, but I thought it was hilarious. And I called her out on it. She got, you were a sheep. I wish I, she's really nice, by the way. She's really nice. I, the fact that she called and just said, you know, no, she's a great, she's the vice president at the bank.

She's really a great banker because, you know, you show up with checks and gold coins and all kinds of like, it's, it's a huge ordeal the way people support us. Am I right? You get a lot of different things that have to go into the bank. The owners of the bank. What are all these checks for $33? What kind of outfit are you? What are you guys up to? What are you doing? It was years ago in the original bank manager called me.

I says, uh, can you explain what all these, because we get all these crazy checks from all these, from these sources that mostly pay by mail sources. So there's piles of these checks and they've got the weirdest numbers on them because people always put their birthday or 7333.33. There's a lot of that. I had to explain to him what we were doing. I'm amazed we haven't been debanked. You know what I'm saying? We haven't been debanked. All right, back to the horrid PBS lady. This is clip two.

President elect Donald Trump ran a lot of his campaign promising retribution for his enemies and asking absolute loyalty from his supporters. Now, as he prepares for a second term in office, Laura Barone Lopez has a look at what that might mean for the future of us. Democracy. William, according to the associated press, 55% of voters said they were very or somewhat concerned that Trump would steer the US toward becoming an authoritarian country.

One where a single leader or small group has unchecked power. Still, more than one in 10 of those voters supported him anyways. To discuss further, I'm holding on a second. I have a real problem with this from PBS, and I just don't like it. It's bothered me for years now. When did the word anyway become anyways? And since when is that correct English? I, we don't, I'm not a grammarian, but I'm sure someone in the audience can explain it. Don't you?

Doesn't this bother you when someone of it sounds true? It sounds like you're trivializing the story. Anyway, anyways, it's just not correct. Anyways. All right. It's like saying humongous or gazillion or like holding your fork wrong, you know, irritates one where a single leader or small group has unchecked power. Still, more than one in 10 of those voters supported him anyways.

To discuss this further, I'm joined by Jason Stanley, professor of philosophy at Yale University, an author of erasing history, how fascists rewrite the past to control the future. Professor Stanley, thank you so much for joining. why did voters on one hand acknowledge and express fear, uh, that the country could very well tip towards authoritarianism under Trump, but then on the other hand, still vote for him.

The idea that democracy is a value upon which voters vote, uh, or place enormous priority on is false. Uh, voters prize a number of things over democracy, especially voters who have regularly lived in a country where you can replace leaders and parties by elections. This, this is actually quite amazing that he's saying this, this book writer anyways, book writer. I was at, uh, remember, um, I went up to see that thing where, where Flynn was speaking.

Yeah. Uh, next to Fenton, I think up there in Dallas. And there were these two people, they were probably closer to 70 and they come up to me and they're, and they're chatting and they're, they're short people, Brown people. And they say, we are so happy to be here. We are so, and they were really talking about, because this whole thing was about Trump. We are so happy. Uh, uh, we want Donald Trump to be president because we come from Venezuela.

And if America goes down the path of Venezuela, we'll, no one will have anywhere else to go. So what this guy is saying is just so polar opposite to the actual reality of the world. It's, it's insane. This guy is insane. When you watch him, it's like a doofus goofy looking guy. Who's he written a couple of books, always about fascism and how it's going to take over in Lopez is all in on this. And this is the PBS, uh, doing this thing. It's a socialist operation.

Now it's all that you can say, this is all about promoting socialism on PBS. It's a terrible product. People should not give them money. They should give it to us or anybody else for that matter. But here we go. Anybody with them, the idea that democracy should be a value. Well, that's something that schools and universities teach. That's something we try to emphasize, but it doesn't mean that people are born that way. What?

So as soon as he said that I had to stop it there because born that way, what is this? A Gaga song? I mean, what is, what is the point of saying, well, you know, we teach at the university, but people aren't born that way. You know, freedom loving, I guess they're not born that way. You have to go to the university. What he's really saying here is you have to go to the university because there's a, there's an overlying pitch going on.

And this was also done on a man and poor show when they had brought David Brooks and was just written a new book and his book, Brooks of Brooks and K part. He is new book is that, well, they were the divide. And I had a bunch of clips on education that from about five shows ago, I never ran them, but they're trying to promote the idea that if you're educated, you're a smart Democrat. If you're a dumb fuck, then you're a Republican.

And this is the thing that's been, they've been promoting this and promoting it. It's not going to work. Don't they realize this is not going to work? Well, there was another thing that people said, I don't know if I linked this on my Twitter account or not, but there was a, a threesome of historians doing their, their, that, that show at Stanford Hoover Institute does with that one guy is always asking too many questions, including David Hanson and two other guys.

And they were excoriating this notion that the, the universities are like, if you go to university, you're, you're, you're going to be a better person. You're going to vote Democrat and all this. You're going to improve the country. This is where it should go. And Brooks is now promoting that all year. Yeah. There's dummies. I'm very educated person. As far as I'm concerned, I went to Cal Berkeley of all places and I went to other colleges and, and I, I'm not a, you know, a high school dropout.

And I find this incredibly offensive that they, they make this assertion that it's everything's based on education. It's not true. That's not true. It's not true. It's crazy. But anyway, Victor Davis, I found this born this way thing to be very offensive. This is an offensive that I'm obviously offended by this personally. Yes. Victor Davis Hanson, not David Hanson, David Hanson, David Hanson, the Hanson boys, the Hanson brothers. Whoa. Hold on a second. Where'd you go? Hold on. Come back.

Something's wrong. Got a problem. Adam fell into a pit. Oh no. Yeah. See, there's a trap door in these studio. Oh no. One of my monitors just went out. Oh no. Yeah. That is an oh no. Whoa. And now everything's glitching. Oh, it's back. Okay. Next clip. We can go. We'll do it live. We'll do it live. Don't worry about it. We'll do it live. We're running with scissors, people. President-elect Trump has openly embraced a number of strongman leaders, including Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban.

Trump has also said that he would be a dictator for a day. He has expressed a desire to seek revenge against his political enemies. And he's also threatened to use the military against civilians during times of civil unrest. If Donald Trump ends up governing like a strongman, what does that mean for the future of democracy? He will end up governing like a strongman. He generally does what he says, which is why voters consider him authentic, perhaps rightfully so.

He's appointed Pete Hegseth as his defense secretary, whose writings show that he regards leftists, political opponents, university professors as the enemy, as the real enemy. So every indication we have is that he's going to rule like an authoritarian and maybe not step down from power, certainly adjust the levers of power in our very flawed democracy so that Trumpism remains in power for some time to come, perhaps a very long time to come.

And we know that they've been taking advice from Orban. And for a long time, people said, including me, that the United States was too large to do what Orban did. For example, Orban took over the media, forcing the media to sell to his cronies and friends. And the thought was the United States is too large for that. However, couldn't Elon Musk just buy the whole media? Oh, let me add to your sound effects. Couldn't Elon Musk just buy the whole media? The whole media as though it's a thing.

They brought back the trope about, oh, he's going to stay tonight, he's not going to leave. He left the first time. This is a pathetic indictment of PBS. This segment right there that I just played is an indictment of PBS as a bunch of douchebags. I heard them- And the Lopez woman is terrible. Yes. Well, the thing is, in our last four years, we won't be doing much PBS stuff because the media is now elsewhere. What people are watching and listening, well, watching, is different now.

We're going to have to be playing Rogan clips. And Megyn Kelly clips. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard her mention Hegseth. As Stephanie Ruhle, a favorite with the boys on the trading room at Goldman, she has a real problem with Hegseth, particularly his name. But he votes. Meanwhile, Pete Hegseth, excuse me, Pete Hegseth, I'm sorry about that, Trump's pick for defense secretary. She says, Pete Hegseth, and she keeps doing it. We'll have a conversation about rationality.

What do you think about Pete Hegseth? Excuse me. She keeps saying pig Hegseth. Pig. Pig Hegseth. This is really odd. It's like it got stuck in her brain and she can't get rid of it. Very, very odd. They really hate that guy. He's been on Gutfeld and all these shows on Fox a lot. He's a really nice guy. He does seem like a nice guy. Oh, that's a neo-Nazi tattoo. No. Yeah, he's got the Jerusalem cross on his chest. It's huge. Neo-Nazi. Yeah, all right.

Okay, there's a lot of concern in the ether for big agriculture, for big food and big pharma. They all know that RFK Jr. has his target set on them, and we already played the clip several times, what he's going to do. He's going to open up the vaults. He's going to uncover everything, and there's a lot to be hidden. And the big food guys go first. So this, I think, is the cover-up story, the story you want everybody talking. I think the lawsuit may even be bogus.

Well, it's a real lawsuit, but it's just bogative. This is, and it even made, I guess, is it Nora? Maybe it's CBS. Oh, no. Oh, this is the lawsuit. Everybody pay attention to this lawsuit. No, this is the NBC lady. Sometimes we all just need a meal to be fast and convenient, right? Especially when you don't have time to cook.

So if you're at the grocery store, you're looking at the aisles, maybe you'll pick out something that you can make real quick, like in minutes, maybe just three and a half minutes. But a Florida woman is now saying the Kraft Heinz company misled people by claiming their microwavable Velveeta shells and cheese is, quote, ready in three and a half minutes. She says that's actually not the case at all.

It's raising bigger, broader questions about food marketing in this country, consumers and companies. Here's Zinhle Essamuah. This microwavable pasta is at the center of a new lawsuit. Amanda Ramirez from Florida is suing food giant Kraft Heinz, alleging the company misleads customers about just how long it takes to prepare Velveeta shells and cheese cups.

Velveeta shells and cheese packaging says ready in three and a half minutes, but Ramirez says the claim is false, since microwaving for three and a half minutes is one of several steps needed. The suit alleges the company is misleading customers, allowing the company to sell more of the product at a higher price.

In a statement, representatives for the plaintiffs said in part, I've gotten a lot of flack about this case, but deceptive advertising is deceptive advertising, and we want corporate America to be straightforward and truthful. So I think the media, the media, television news, is playing this one up as, oh, look at this crazy lawsuit. Everyone can argue. That's right, it takes me four and a half minutes. They're lying, they're lying.

The real lawsuit is obscure report, obscurely reported like this. A federal judge refused a request by Kraft Heinz to dismiss a class action lawsuit against it, accusing the food giant of lying about its mac and cheese claims of no artificial preservatives.

District Judge Mary Rowland ruled this week the plaintiffs made a reasonable allegation the mac and cheese contains a synthetic form of citric acid and also has sodium phosphates, noting the synthetic citric acid is different from the natural variety. The lawsuit specifically alleges the ingredients were used as preservatives, making Kraft Heinz's claim of no artificial flavors, preservatives, or dyes on its labels false.

Kraft Heinz contends the allegations are untrue, and its ingredients do not contain artificial preservatives. The plaintiffs are seeking damages for fraud and violations of consumer protection laws. So you watch, we'll see the morning shows talk about the other lawsuit, which I think was just set up so people talk about that one. A smokescreen. It's a smokescreen, exactly. A straw man. And then, well, we got to really move as fast as we can. We don't have much time.

We've got to get as many big, the biggest by far, the biggest pharmacological product of the century. We've got to get it moving before RFK Jr. comes in. Let's go, go, go, go. The Biden administration is proposing a new rule that would have popular weight loss drugs like Ozempic covered by Medicare and Medicaid. Public health. By the way, did your Noah Jenner show predict that a year ago? That's what it's all been about. The answer is yes.

Insurance programs already cover the medications for some people with diabetes. But this proposal would allow anyone considered obese, meaning a body mass index of 30 or higher, to also qualify for coverage. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, or CMS, says 22% of Medicare recipients fall into that category. Without insurance coverage, these weight loss medications come with a notoriously high price, some costing $1 ,200 a month.

CMS estimates the proposed rule would cost as much as $35 billion over the next 10 years. CBS News medical contributor Dr. Celine Gounder joins me now. She's also the editor-at-large for public health at KFF Health News. Doctor, these drugs have been in the news... Doctor, hold on a second. The teleprompter's scrolling. Let me get my scripts to ask you the right question, Doctor. The editor-at-large for public health at KFF Health News. Doctor, these drugs have been in the news for months now.

What is the idea behind this, allowing more insurance coverage so more people can essentially afford this medication? So this is really a recognition, a formal recognition, that obesity is a chronic medical condition, that taking these medications is not just about weight loss to look more attractive, etc., but really that it has an impact on your health.

And what we are seeing is accumulating evidence that whether you're talking about diabetes, cardiovascular disease, stroke, kidney disease, dementia, different kinds of arthritis, we are seeing that these medications have a really beneficial impact for people who have obesity. This is unbelievable. First of all, accumulating evidence, you might as well say no evidence, accumulating evidence that these medications solve all these problems because you're no longer obese.

It's not curing these problems, but that's how they're positioning it, which is... I like your catch there, because I would have missed it. The accumulating term, using accumulating, meaning it's like, well, eventually we hope to see evidence. Whatever you do, just remember RFK Jr. is against this, really. He's wrong.

Well, as you know, President-elect Trump has picked Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, which encompasses the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid, among other agencies. Kennedy was on Fox News in October. He was asked about a similar bill to this proposal that would have covered weight loss drugs. Let's go ahead and listen. That alone will cost $3 trillion a year.

If we spent about one-fifth of that giving good food, three meals a day, to every man, woman, and child in our country, we could solve the obesity and diabetes epidemic overnight. A tiny fraction of the cost. What is your reaction to that? Is it that simple? Well, look, the GLP-1 drugs, these weight loss drugs, they're not the silver bullet. Clearly, diet and exercise has not been the silver bullet either. I would talk about it as being silver buckshot.

We need a lot of different solutions to chip away at this. The Biden administration, the FDA, has sent to the White House proposed guidelines for front-of -package food labeling to make it much more clear to consumers, hey, this food is healthy or not healthy. It's really hard sometimes to read the fine print. I can see me walking into HEB. What is this? Hmm, this is not healthy. I think I'll have some of that. ...to consumers, hey, this food is healthy or not healthy.

It's really hard sometimes to read the fine print and figure out what all that really means. We're waiting to see if the White House signs off on that. But that would be another strategy for addressing the obesity problem from another perspective. We also know that the incoming administration has Medicare and Medicaid in the crosshairs for budget cuts.

And so something, a rule like this, with respect to the weight loss drugs, that would increase spending by Medicare and Medicaid really don't seem very consistent with those plans to cut the budget. You're bloody, bloody, bloody, blah. Boy, they're just doing this. She's doing the soft shoe. She's doing a tap dance just to promoto -zemp it. The silver buckshot of all things. I love silver. That's a great show title. It is. And she says, oh, diet and exercise.

No, you need, stop with the mac and cheese, people. It's not real cheese. And it may not even be real mac. It's crap and cheese. Crap and not really cheese. Education in your elite schools, please. Last clip. So you think it's probable that when the next administration comes in, it would get rolled back? I mean, you understand sort of these public health rulemaking better than anyone. How long would something like this take in order to come into effect?

Will anyone even feel the effects before the next administration comes in? So with respect to the weight loss drugs, the Trump administration would have to finalize that. So that would not be until after inauguration, based on the current timeline. With respect to the FDA food package labeling, assuming the White House signs off, then you would have to open that up for public comment. And again, it would be the Trump administration that would finally act on that.

So first of all, we're talking about months to years in some cases. Oh, good. With Medicare and the weight loss drugs, we're talking about 2026 at the earliest. Okay. But even so, a lot of this will just depend on how the politics play out in the incoming administration. This, the whole industry, the keep people sick industry is so, and finance, the insurance industry, you know, the Zoomer, she was here for the summer, she got her knee operated on because she tore her meniscus.

So outpatient, now she is on the Affordable Care Act because she's very poor, and which is in this case good because she got affordable care and she had to pay, I'm sorry, we had to pay, I think, $1 ,100 out of pocket for the surgery. Okay. But it seems fair. It's reasonable. Very reasonable. So it's an outpatient, it's in and out same day, good to go. So we got the bill today, which shows what insurance paid, et cetera, et cetera. So what do you think the bill was?

Just the bill that the hospital billed the insurance company for this procedure, one knee, one torn meniscus? Well, having experience in this with these deals, I can tell my story after you're done. I would guess $45,000. $119,000. I'm low. The insurance company- Wait, let's back off. This was outpatient. Outpatient. Then you go in. And you go out. And you go out. So you go in, they do the quick operation, poking away. And then you go out, and that's $120 ,000.

That was just the hospital, not the surgeon, not the anesthesiologist. So I'll just leave it at that. The insurance company paid the hospital how much, do you think? I'm sorry, they settled on an amount. What do you think the settled amount was? Wait, this is above and beyond the 120? No, no. So no one is going to pay $119 ,000. No one has that. It's not going to happen. So then the insurance company does a deal with the hospital, and they wind up paying the hospital how much?

Am I going to guess higher or lower? No, lower. Much lower. Yeah, $60,000. No, $20,000. And then the hospital says, well, the bill was really $2112, so you owe us $1 ,200, which is probably a reasonable amount for the surgeon. What? Oh, yeah. This is ridiculous. Yep. The anesthesiologist, I think was, Tina would know, but it was something like $17,000. He winds up getting $550,000, which is reasonable.

So they just have all these numbers going back and forth, and they always try to just soak you. But, well, I'm sorry, insurance only covers $20 ,000, so you have to pay the $1 ,200 out of pocket on top of the $1,000 you already paid, which is really $2,400, kind of reasonable just for the hospital, for a bed, a room, in and out, boom, done. Yeah. But if you had no insurance, then you're screwed for the rest of your life. Right. That's why they forced insurance.

Yeah, you'd have to pay the $119,000. Yeah. Yeah, that's the point. Yeah. This was a – probably something like this happened when Jay had her appendix taken out when I was working for Mevio, and Mevio was – Blue Cross picked it up. Mm-hmm. And the bill was – and this was outpatient. She went in, you know, gave her a local or something, and then they went in with two probes. They didn't even cut her open. They just had these little – No, just stick a little tube in there, a little fiber optic.

A couple tubes, yeah. One tube to look and the other one to cut. Pull out the appendix and then patch her up, and out she goes, $35,000. Nice. And then to make it even more of a joke, so this is the kicker, was after I had left Mevio because I'd moved to L.A., they also got rid of me. They didn't even offer me a job down there. And one of the reasons was because of the – It was ageism. It was ageism, I tell you. Well, it was – there was ageism involved.

There's no doubt about that, but the – and I should have sued. But they told me afterwards that what they were paying for my Blue Cross. Yeah, you told me this, like $5,000 a month or something. $4,500 a month. But that was for the whole family. Oh, gee, yeah. Me, Mimi, and Jay. The kids are all grown up, so it was only the three of us. That's why we have crowd health, man. We've got the crowd health. That's how that works out. It works very well. It's a scam. It's a scambola.

Yeah, but Tina has used – these collectives, they work very well. They negotiate with the hospital. The hospital says, okay, well, it's really $20 ,000, okay. When I was a kid, this system never existed. You just rubbed dirt on it and kept going. No, they had doctors that did house calls. Oh, yes, good times. In their Cadillacs, did very well for themselves. Everybody paid cash. There was no insurance in between, no go -to in the middle. Here's a chicken. Here's a chicken.

TooManyEggs.com. Thanks, Doc. Yeah, Doc Holloway. We love you, man. And there was – you pay cash. The prices were reasonable, but they were – it was a doctor, so you had to pay something. Yeah. And they made good money, but if you look at the real – the kicker here is all you have to do is look at these insurance companies and the billions and the billions and the billions of dollars that they put on their annual report of profit.

That money is being taken out of your pocket to support just a bunch of bureaucrats in an insurance company. Which is a bank, basically. Yeah, so this is not a healthcare system at all. This is a scam. It's a scam care system, yes. We're going to wrap it up, John. I have one more clip. It's an important development that has taken place in Australia, the first of its kind ever in the world. Australia has gotten closer to banning children under 16 from using social media.

The country's House of Representatives passed the bill today, leaving it to the Senate to finalize the law, which would be the first of its kind in the world. The law would make platforms like TikTok and Instagram liable for fines of up to 50 million Australian dollars if they fail to prevent young children from holding accounts. Those platforms would have one year to work out how to implement the age restrictions before the penalties are enforced. This is a very interesting development.

It's a testing ground. Yeah, you know what's good about it? It's definitely going to work because, for example, when you're a 60 or, let's say, a 14-year-old, there's no way you're ever going to get any alcohol or even drive a car or do anything like that or smoke weed in the bathroom because it's illegal. So none of those things happen with kids, teens. No, no. So how are they going to do this? So this will definitely work because kids are stupid. They don't know anything.

Like Kamala said, they're stupid. They don't know how a VPN works. And then when one of them finds out, they don't tell the others. That never happens. Okay. Yeah. Just saying. Just throwing that out there. I understand. But it's going to be interesting to see how. And there's amendments now being proposed that, you know, you can't require. So not only can you not have kids under 16 using your product, but you can't force, you can't tell governments that they need to provide digital IDs.

So the whole thing is a mess. I don't know how they're going to do it. Doesn't it just come down to parents? There are a lot of parents around here who just, you know, I've been at dinner with parents and their young boys, you know, ages ranging seven to 13, 14. And we'll be having pizza and we're chatting. And then they say, you know, because everyone always loves my phone, my flip phone. Like that's kind of fun. And I said, well, our kids aren't allowed to have phones. And they understand why.

And you always look at the boys and they always have that really sad look on their face. It's like, I'm the outcast of the group. I don't have a phone. But the parents are doing it. And there's a lot of parents who make agreements. My buddy, Dave Jones, the parents within the school, within the class that his daughter goes to, they've all organized themselves. They got together and said, we're all going to agree, no phones for these kids. And none of them have phones.

It's good development here in Fredericksburg. No phones in the school. That should be, I don't understand why their phones in the school in the first place. How did it ever become okay to have phones in the school? It's the parents who say, well, I might need to reach my daughter or she might need to reach me in an emergency. How often does that happen?

But it's like having a, it's like, if you go, I remember in the olden days, you'd go to some restaurant in Beverly Hills and there'd be some, some top producer. They'd put a phone on his table. It was like a phone with a wire. It's like, excuse me, Mrs. Dvorak, phone call for you. And so you have that situation. And that was always seen as like a little bit pretentious. Now everybody has a phone at the, at the restaurant.

And there was a, the first few years of these phones that restaurants people would, ah, it's rude. People were talking on the phone in the restaurant. And then after a while, it's just caved. And they're okay. So now everybody's on the phone all the time, everywhere. It's like, ah, how did it become okay for that? And how did it become okay to have a phone, a phone that can ring in a classroom? It's not about the phone port. It's about the internet part. It's about the apps.

It's about the dopamine hits. It's about the, the social media. It's about, it's about, it's about why do they allow it? If we were running the country, things would be better. Yes, we do some exciting things on the way, including, including John's tip of the day. We also, we have a couple of doctors of education to congratulate today, along with title change at a night and of course some meetups.

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Now, did you have any bring any ISOs? Yes, I have to. But before we do that, I want to mention something. Did you know that yesterday, Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving is called Blackout Wednesday? Is that when you get blackout drunk? Yeah, I guess that there was a report on the on KTVU or local news station about the police are out in force trying to pick up drunks as they arrest more drunks on Blackout Wednesday than any other time of the year. I did not know that.

I think you'd know that by the you know, I never heard of this before. I don't know. I was too blacked out to hear the report. Blackout Wednesday. All right. What are your ISOs? I got two. Okay. I got amazing. That show was amazing. Not bad. Not bad. And then I got the dummies. Happy Thanksgiving, you big dummies. Well, they're both kind of good. I don't think I have anything that can compete. I have this. No, that's no good. Compared to those is no good. I have this one.

And then the only possible contender. You probably couldn't hear it. Yes, mumbling. It says what you got in your mouth, which is kind of which is, I guess, semi appropriate for Thanksgiving. But let me see. Happy Thanksgiving, you big dummies. I kind of like that. That show was amazing. Wow, it's a tough choice, John. What do you think? I think you can pick either one. They're both a winner. Yeah, but I'll ask you. You choose. I'm too tired. I think happy.

Well, the problem is going people let's do amazing. So we just do amazing. That show is amazing. The show is amazing. Not only is the show amazing, no one else is amazing. John's tip of the day. So this tip came from Jay, our back office worker. Also known as your daughter. She and Brandon, who got married, I don't know, over a year ago, they they could finally going on their honeymoon. Oh, how nice.

And they're going to go to Japan and Dame Astrid and Mark are both going to show them, you know, take him somewhere. Oh, no, no. They're going to meet up with him and they're going to hand deliver the Commodore ship to him, I think is a surprise. But now it's not a surprise. They are going to be shown a good time. That's right. Mark and Dame Astrid are top notch people. Yeah. And I told them, you know, well, who are these people? Well, they're two famous architects.

Yeah, they're just kind of really famous. I'm just saying, yeah, they're just kind of famous. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of famous. So but Jay's got chickens. Oh, who's going to take care of the chickens? Who's going to take care of the chickens? I asked her because I said, do I have I'm thinking, do I have to go there and put the chickens in the coop? Me, I mean, so I doubt that. So somewhat they're going to have friends go over there and look at the house daily, daily.

But the chicken thing is going to be taken care of by the automatic chicken coop door. Oh, no. Which is today's tip of the day for you people that think about having chickens, but don't want to deal with putting them in the coop every night and locking them in the automatic chick. And you look at the Amazon's got a good one that they want to sell. It's forty two bucks. It's cheap. It's digital. It's got an anti pinch feature. So it doesn't crush any chickens. It's got a timer.

So what happens is that you set it up and the chickens are out roaming around eating bugs and cleaning your yard up. And then when it gets dark, chickens naturally go back into the coop. They always do. They just do it. And then as soon as it gets dark, the chicken coop door closes. Yes. And locks them in there. And of course, what happens if it locks in a raccoon? Well, you know, well, you're going to have a raccoon in there anyway. And then it opens the next day and the chickens go back out.

And I guess they've been using it for a couple of weeks and I guess it works like a champ. So people out there looking to get chickens look into the automatic chicken coop door. And when will they be coming back in three weeks? No, no, no. Coming back in like 10 days or so. OK. OK. So in 10 days, in 10 days, tip of the day will be the Amazon chicken remnant vacuum cleaner. You can guarantee it. There it is, ladies and gentlemen. Tip of the day. Dot net. No agenda fund dot com.

Great advice for you and me. Just the tip with JCB and sometimes Adam. Oh, my, my, my. What a great tip. Always a good tip here. John's tip of the day, everybody. And that does it for our Thanksgiving spectacular. Thank you all for being here. The trolls, our live studio audience and those of you who are out there, all of no agenda nation, all our producers who produce in all facets and all manners. Thank you. I am personally very thankful for you. And I'm sure I speak on behalf of my partner.

End of show mixes. We've got the media. So Michael Anthony, the mayor of New York City, wish you a happy Thanksgiving. Jeffrey Crocker, David Kector, who is auditioning. Um, what's he auditioning for? He's auditioning for a band. That guy's an amazing drummer. He has a drum kit that's out of control in his, in his, in his house. Go look him up on YouTube. David Kector. He's good. Up next on the no agenda stream. We've got that Larry show. That's right.

That Larry guy and Darren Oh, and their episode is the greatest comeback since Jesus Christ. Well, wait until JC comes back. He ain't seen nothing yet. Uh, coming to you from the heart of the Texas Hill country in the morning, everybody and happy Thanksgiving. I'm Adam Curry. And from Northern Silicon Valley where, Hey, there's a couple of football games on. Let's watch that. I'm John C. Dvorak. Remember us at no agenda donations.com. We'll see you on Sunday.

Adios, mofos, or who we, who we, and such. Happy Thanksgiving, New York City. As your mayor, I'm going to eat a plant-based centered lifestyle. Even on a holiday. Don't eat turkey and ham while I am eating turkey and yams. Enjoy your meat while you can. We already had meatless Mondays in school. Then I'm on vegan Fridays. And we going to keep trying to make a holly all plant-based. But if y'all still got to eat meat, the FDA just approved lab grown chickens for human consumption.

And if y'all still not satisfied with that, we're going to make only crickets and cockroaches. Like I said, enjoy that roast while you can. Y'all going to be eating rats. But what is Lindy hop? You can actually kill somebody's cat and punch her their tires to get them to shut up. So, uh, you know, uh, this is what you get when you go to a trailer park with a hundred dollar bill. Yeah. No. Well, whether you like it or not, I really don't care.

We can make money and have an economic relationship for Ukraine to be very beneficial to enrich ourselves with rare earth minerals containing bad guys. I don't even understand what that means. Let me come back and, uh, you know, give you a better explanation. This war is about money. Lindsey Graham's not the problem. Here's the problem is I see it. If you don't have any friends, don't make some friends, fight this bullshit. This is going to destroy America.

We're going to fight back at the ballot box. We're not going to give in what you say. Step aside, partner. It's my day. Listen to my version. Pardon me, boy. Is that boy? You can give me a chance. That's how this wins. I just want you to remind you, don't you ever let anybody take your power. The platforms are not regulated right now, which gives them car blocks to whatever they want right now. Elon is not someone who likes to be regulated.

And so to buy MSN, he would go under some federal regulations. Who's regulating CNN right now? The FCC. We are under attack. Russia has been using different levers. In this case, it's influencers like Donald Trump, like Elon Musk, to really kind of sow discord. And it's particularly troubling with Elon Musk in this case, because Elon Musk has access to state secrets. He has top secret security clearance. It's possible that some of that is seeping through.

Putin has been very effective in playing both Trump and Elon. We are under attack. What is it that the Democrat Party has to do differently? I think that they need to change their policies. That show was amazing.