The Battle for Answers - Part 1

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All right, we are moving into the portion of the program where you get to express your opinion on some issues that we pick. We promoted today two issues, one of which is the Secret Service on the grill dealing with the July thirteenth attempted assassination, how that possibly could have happened in Butler, Pennsylvania. And we also later on tonight want to talk about the success of Israel's strike that took out the life of a Hesbalah leader in

There any doubt in your mind or in the collective mind of the FBI that President Trump was shot in the ear by a bullet fired by the assassin Crooks.

There is, Senator, There is absolutely no doubt in the FBI's mind whether former President Trump was hit with the with a bullet and wounded in the air.

No doubt.

There never has been. I've been part of this investigation since the very beginning, and that has never been raised.

You're sure, Yes, it wasn't a space lacer No, it wasn't.

A murder hornet, absolutely not.

It wasn't sasquatch, no center.

It was a bullet.

It was a bullet, Senator, fired by Crooks.

Yes, sir, that.

Hit President Trump in the year and almost killed h Okay, glad, we'll cleared that up.

They did clear They did clear that up. So that is again an unforced error by the FBI Director Christopher Ray. The Secret Service, of course, is under intense criticism now for allowing this to happen. There's a new video out tonight that apparently was shot by one of the two victims who have who were shot and who have survived,

You need to investigate to know that there were critical enough failures that some individuals ought to be held accountable.

I mean, what more do you need to know?

What I need to know is exactly what happened. And I need my investigators.

To do their job.

And I can either cannot put my thumb on this scale otherwise what do you mean, put your thought the objective theje You're asking me, Senator, to completely make a rush to judgment about somebody failing. I acknowledge this was a failure of.

Is it not primo facia that somebody has failed?

A former president was sure.

Sir, this could have been our Texas school book depository. I have lost sleep over that for the last seventeen days.

Just like somebody.

I will tell you, Senator, I will tell you, Senator, that I will not rush to judgment, that people will be held accountable, and I will do so with integrity and not rush to judgment and put people.

Unfairly persecuted.

Wow, that was interesting, an interesting exchange for sure. Uh. It's not often you hear a US senator going after the interim director of the Secret Service. It's interesting the phrase that some of you might remember that the interim Secret Service director used. He said, I will not enter into a rush to judgment. That phrase with the title of a book by an author back in the nineteen sixties about the Kennedy assassination, Mark Lane, who felt that

Now, back to Dan Ray live from the Window World Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

All right, let's get some phone calls going here. We will talk later tonight about what has gone on in the Middle East in the last twenty four hours. That is, the the killing of the Hamas leader Ishmael I hope I've pronounced this right, hanayah Uh and a leader of a senior military commander of Hespola Fawad uh Shook Shook Shook. I think they that that situation over there is is

Uh.

I'm having trouble hearing you again. Speak your phone if that's okay, Uh.

Let's see. I give it a shot, Give it a shot. I don't know why you're not hearing me, Rob, Rob should have been.

Able to phone. Can you hear me? Is that okay?

I can still hear you? You go right ahead, Ken, yep, okay.

I don't know.

With Trump, I called you after January sixth and said I was done with him.

Yeah.

And again he's just not a likable person. And I don't think he is uh making comments like he did today to get out of the race. I just think he can't help himself. And I wonder about his advisors, someone like a Kelly and Conway or I mean, they must get in his face and tell him that, you, you know, whether it's an hairdresser or somebody say you can't you know, call your hair like that, or you can't make comments like that. Do they do they tell him that? Or can he listens?

I do no, No for those who have. For those who haven't heard the comment, ken, let me let me play one of them. Here, he's speaking to a group of black journalists. I believe it's in Chicago. I could I could be wrong on that, but we I believe it's in Chicago. And an ABC News correspondent, Rachel Scott asked the first question.

And I thought he was at antagonistic to be honest in the beginning.

So well, it was a tough question. It was a tough question. Okay, it wasn't like, oh, gee, great to see you. How is your fly? It's it's well, let's just play, let people respond to it. And then he just goes off in my opinion unnecessarily, but hey, obviously it's my opinion doesn't really count too much. This is cut a rob.

Well, first of all, I don't think I've ever been asked a question so in such a horrible manner. A first question. You don't even say, hello, how are you?

Are you with ABC?

Because I think they're a fake news network, a terrible network. And I think it's disgraceful that I came here in good spirit. I love the black population of this country. I've done so much for the black population of this country, including employment including Opportunity Zones with Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina, which is one of the greatest programs ever for black workers and black entrepreneurs. I've done so much much and you know, and I say this, Historically, black

And nobody else was doing it.

I think it's a very rude introduction. I don't know exactly why you would do something like that.

Yeah, I think you could have handled the question a little more diplomatically.

Ken, I agree.

I agree, Dan, But she she was clearly she had a clear dislike for him. In her tone of the question was probably set up to anger him. And you didn't play that part. But I've heard it multiple times today and you know, it's set him up a little bit. I think she was very unprofessional and biased, and she showed her through colors, so to speak.

Okay, so you then, I guess, I guess the point that I'm trying to make is if you're trying to win an election and you know that these sorts of missteps are going to be called out and maybe and even in some cases taken out of context. I do agree with it that the question was of fairy direct question, but I've asked questions of politicians, including politicians running for president. I remember I asked Bill Clinton. This would have been

Yeah, And I said, you were respectful, and you're you're a much more polished. She came out angry and fired right at him, like she's he's a former president, show a little respect, and you know, at least be uh a little bit down the middle of the road when you're asking the question. She clearly dislikes him, and it was obvious in her questioning, and uh, that set him off. And I agree, I agree with him being a little defensive, but you know, it's Trump and he does go over.

So okay, my question is this Okay, whether or not she was if she asked a question could have been asked better. What let doesn't matter now he answers that way. Does his answer help him or hurt him? It probably helps him with his base, but does it help him or hurt him with undecided voters, voters on the fence?

Well, what black voters or voters of color, whatever term we want to use. I think he's made his point in the past that he's what he's done for historical black colleges. Sure, you know, black entrepreneurs, opportunity zones. He made that point and that's what he's done, and that's why he's rising. The poll numbers show that black voters are increasingly going to vote for him more than any other Republican. So I think he made his point.

Okay, So let me ask you this. I'll ask you the question, the same question a little differently. If there was, if there are, and I'm sure there are black voters who are on the fence, okay, and who is still making up their mind? Do you think he pulled many black voters or white voters who are on the fence over to his side of the aisle with that answer?

Again, to quote the great UH agent what's his name? James Carvell, economy stupid. We're all feeling the economy. That's not whether I'm down in Massachusetts people people are feeling them when they go buy groceries gas.

So my question, can you duck in my question? Which and you're doing a good job at it, My question is in no sense no, I mean it in the sense and please take this respectfully. What I'm saying to you is that question, okay, That answer to that question will be played for people across the country.

Right.

Is there anyone who listens to that question and or listens to the answer and says, you know what, Trump's my man, I'm now with Trump for that.

I don't think yes, because if you're on the fence with Trump versus Harris, I can't see that you're either one way or the other in his comments. You know what you're getting with Trump, you and against those comments.

Will agree to disagree on that. We will agree to this, agree on that one. I mean, if you're what you're telling me is this, there's not a single American who at this point has not made up their mind about this race. That's what I'm hearing here.

So they're gonna be But I mean, I think the vast majority has made up their mind. Okay, and independent. I mean you're either come on now, you've got an extreme leftist and you've got Trump, who's uh, he's in and of his own category. So I think if you haven't made up your mind now, I'd be shocked.

Okay, Well, maybe we'll hear from some people who haven't made up their mind. I don't know. Ken has always I appreciate.

You taking the time say allow to Boston for me.

I absolutely will. I know it is the city that you love. Thank you very much. Can't finciate.

I will maybe up there this fall, but we'll see.

All right.

Thank here, Thanks Tucson.

I got to take a break here. It's news time at the bottom of the hour six one seven, two four ten thirty, six one seven, nine, ten thirty. If you did hear this comment, today, or even if you heard the question and the comment, I'd love to get your reaction to it, and let's get the conversation going again. I think the story that I was intending to start on today was the fact that the Secret Service is now pointing fingers at local police, local police appointing fingers

If you're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

All right, let's go to Larry in New York. Larry, you were next on Nightsiger.

Right ahead, Dan, good evening. You know, as somebody who has for the last forty or fifty years, as I have watched and seen dignitary protection, this thing is needs much more perspective. There's no question the Secret Service made some mistakes, but the reality is is that the local, the state police, the local sheriff's department, they need a

Now I saw that I happen to see. I know exactly what you're going to say.

Now, these guys, these guys were responsible for providing security in the secondary security zone, as you know, because you've done it for years, as have I. You know, the first zone, the tight zone is run by secret Service, the local cops, whether it's New York City PD, whether it's Boston PD, they coordinate and run the secondary security zone. Now, these guys told told Katski that they had eyes on this guy for more than ninety minutes, and all they

And everybody's saying I watched the same interview with Katurski, and I came away with a very different impression. Okay, the impression that I had from the interview was that the Secret Service blew them off on a meeting they were supposed to have. Okay, that that's the and that the instructions from the Secret Service as to what their area's responsibility are or were u was was inadequate. I

And that's right.

That's when I on the interview, not to disagree with him, but just what I saw was that it was Kuturski seemed surprised that there was no communication prior to the event.

Well, that's a question that needs to be raised. But at the same time, these guys aren't amateurs. These guys are snipers. They're highly trained, they've been in the business for a long time. And again, the bottom line is the Secret Service protects the close end first zone. These guys. So again they saw somebody who didn't look right, and nobody said, come on, police officers, snipers whatever. Out on the street. You see somebody suspicious, you go put the

And let me play. Let me play this somebody if good for you. This is the Secret Service Director, now the interim Secret Service Director, Ronald Rowe. He makes reference in this sound cut to a problem with the cellular connection. It almost sounded as if he was saying that the connection, the cell phone connection between maybe Secret Service and these agencies. It's unclear to me, but it's an interesting comment that I heard yesterday. Cut number five, Rob.

That is something that I briefed in the closed door and again something that has cost me a lot of sleep because of the eventual outcome of the assailant. That what if we had a geolocated him because that counter UAS platform had been up. It is something that I have struggled with to understand and I have no I have no explanation for it. It is something that I feel as though we could have perhaps found him, we

He referenced the connectivity challenge. He also referenced cellular connection, which he had talked about in a close door hearing. It almost sounded to me as if he was acknowledging that they did not have adequate communication between the various law enforcement groups. Could be wrong, but that's what I picked out of that.

I've got to spend a spare amount of time with this kind of communication stuff. I think it was more connectivity as far as the drone and stuff, and that definitely that's spooky. The fact that anybody is flying a drone over that site and nobody's putting the grabs on them. That isn't right either. I'm not making excuses for the Secret Service, but I think you know, the down and dirty situation is. I listened to and I watched it a second time to make sure. As I watched these

What I want to I want to see is an investigation uh as more thorough than the BORIGN Commission. And this is simple, Okay, they don't They do not seem to be unless some of these encrypted uh sites that this this twenty year old had access to that opens up Pandora's box. But this, we know who's the shooter is, we know what his background is. Oswald had this myriad background where it was just so complicated. And then Oswald

Oh sure, absolutely, but this one.

Should be resolved a lot more directly and a.

Lot more quickly.

I'm with you one hundred percent, But I think what they need to do is they need to really take a close look and put some perspective on the actions of everybody involved.

Absolute situation. And I will come back I heard what you said. I will come back to the fact that the guys who I watched in that Aaron Koturski interview seem to say that there was a meeting schedule the Secret Service didn't show up. Was that the point where the Secret Service was going to say, look, we don't deal with text messages, the urgency of textmasts. Unless you're looking at the phone, you don't see the text message.

And you know what's funny is it raises a great you raise a great question. Have we become too reliant on technology, you know, phones, texting all this? Maybe we need to get back, you know, to to us analog guys, the good old basics of good police work, good detective work, and saying, you know, pick up the radio and go.

Dance about that, and let's find out if that was communicating. I don't know. I don't know, Larry, great call, challenging call. Thank you very much.

Always a pleasure, my friend.

Take you catch it all right. We've got to take a quick break. Coming right back. We got one open line at six one seven, two five, four, ten thirty and one at six one seven and coming right back on Nightside.

Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World night Side Studios on w b Z the news radio.

I'm back, we go. Let me go to Jack and Jack. Appreciate your patients. You are next on Nightside. Jack, right ahead, Yeah.

Hi Jack porter An, sure enough. About a year ago I did a book called Mathematical Models to Predict Terrorism, And in that I had a chapter about the lone wolf killer. The lone wolf killer is the most difficult killer to predict. So the you know, response to some of your callers that you really shouldn't, you know, we shouldn't be so hard on the Secret Service, or on the FBI or the local it because they are they're so difficult to predict. It seems like they're almost obsessing.

Jack, look if Lee Harvey Oswald had been spotted in that window of the Texas school Book Depository fifteen minutes or thirty minutes before the President Kennedy's moticade rolled down Elm Street and he still got those shots off, you don't think that the heads would have rolled. I mean, where's the responsibility here is? This is not a guy who somehow, I don't know, you know, fired a rocket from his house three miles away that landed on the podium.

Well, I guess my expertise is how to predict the lone wolf killer. Uh, you know even Israel has difficulty doing that.

Well, let me ask you this question. If the lone wolf killer which this guy was, parades around for an hour and a half before goes by and spends some time over there earlier in the day, flies a drone above the the area, which goes undetected and then is seen by people crawling on the roof and also seen seen by people as much as half an hour before the shooting, and they're trying to call attention to it.

I recommend that people read a book by Malcolm Gladwell called Blink What Gladwell the great writer and sociologist Stephen. He says that the best decision is the immediate decision, like the blink of an eye. Intuition. You do it, by the way. But the Secret Service and the FBI and these are bureaucracies, and these are very hierarchical. They're always looking to get permission to do it. They don't do it immediately because they might get fired. They're afraid

Well, Jack, they saw this guy for upwards of an hour before him. He was acting strangely. I mean, if if you and I go to a rally and will Jack let me finish, I'll let you finish. If I'm at a rally and I'm acting strangely in whatever I'm doing, I'm at a Trump rally and and I'm mumbling to myself, I Hey Trump, this Trump? What is this guy, and I'm getting into fights with people in the crowd, and and and I pull out a gun out and take a shot at him. I've basically advertised to the group.

Well we pull out a gun, that's an action, but just acting weird. You can't arrest somebody for that kind of Oh.

You go question him, Jack, you go question him anyway. All right, Well we'll agree to disagree. Thanks Jack, appreciate it. Talk sooner by. Let me go to Gary in New Jersey, Gary, New Jersey, next on Nightside.

Hey Dan, how you doing.

I'm doing.

Well. You know, the whole thing was. I listened to that guy, Josh. He did on your show before, and I've seen him on YouTube a couple of times. He really needs to cut this guy some slack, because one, if you want heads to roll, there's a procedure how to roll them. And this guy just got in a chair. I'm sure he put him on the Bow and Arrow

No I said that. But my question is, I looked at this interview that Larry from New York, looked at Aaron Katirski, did any news and these police officers, and they seemed credible to me. I don't know why they're lying. They're saying that there was a meeting that Secret Service had scheduled and Secret Service never showed up.

For, and that's probably one hundred percent true. But you know, if they tell you, hey, you're going to watch the president, make sure no one shoots him, and you see a guy kind of tinkling around, I could guarantee you if they were on patrol, just doing their regular job and they saw this guy in front of a seven to eleven after it closed, or a convenience store, they'd have pulled over and said, what the hell are you're doing,

The Secret Service should have someone from the Secret Service should have gone to the meeting absolutely with this group of local police officers. Well you know what it is, that it's the biggest day. They're going to brag about it. All of that, I guess.

YEA one of the problems. I'm not looking to cut you off, but one of the problems right ahead, one of the problems, I'm sorry, one of the problems that they have, in my opinion, with the Secret Service, especially not the uniform Secret Service, but you know the ones who do the plane clothes and everything like that, and the FBI, they they draw from the same wealth, which is usually these left wing ivy league colleges, And these

Gary, I have no stats to back that up. I have no stats to refute you, but I'm told and when I listened to it hearing yesterday, the new interim director said that I think that they accept two percent of the applicants, actually less than what Harvard or Annapolis or West No.

But what I'm saying is they draw from the same well, they don't open it up to other people like you know.

I don't have those stats. If you have them, let me give them to me. But I don't think that they're all left wing people there.

No, no, no. What I'm saying is they're not usually not street people. That's really what it is.

I know, I've known a lot of Secret Service agents in my dehye.

And I knew a few, you know, and I've had a few come to our dinners and stuff.

With the PBA, and they're pretty sharp people to be honest with.

Yea.

Well, I just think they need to draw open it up a little more to other people.

Okay, sure enough, I certainly can can agree with you on that one.

That that's for sure.

Okay, we're going to take a great Thank you much. Always have a great one.

Bye bye, buddy, you too.

Uh okay, So we get in different points of view here. I'm kind of surprised, but that's fine. So everybody seems to be very protective of the Secret Service. I just want the truth, whole truth, nothing but the truth, unvarnished truth. That's not too much to ask. One line at six one seven two thirty. One line at six one, seven, nine three, ten thirty. We're going to get back on the horse right after the ten o'clock news are at night side