It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
All right, Icole, thank you very much as we head into a Tuesday night eight o seven here in Boston. My name is Dan Ray, and we have again a double team effort going on back in the control room. Not all these rob Brooks back tonight after a wild night off last night. He is again working with Dan Cantano. So we got double double coverage here. You know, this is uh, this is not off and doesn't often happen, but we're in we're in good hands. We have four
good hands back there. So no phone calls this hour, but they'll go to work next hour. Next hour, we'll talk about ballot Question number three, which is a question that could, if passed allowed, would allow ride share drivers uh TO to unionize here in Massachusetts. And then later on tonight we're going to talk with Emerson College polster Spencer Kimball about the state of the twenty twenty four race.
But before we get to all of that, we will begin our conversation tonight with we'll have three doctors and a mayor in this first hour. We're going to start off with doctor William Berger, who is an allergist and Medical Advisory Council member for the Allergy and Asthma Network. And I guess a lot of us have been feeling a little under the weather, and a lot of us are wondering is it allergies, is it a cold? Or
is it something worse like covid? And doctor Burger is going to help us work our way through that set of circumstances. Doctor Burger, welcome to night Side. Sir.
Oh well, thank you very much for having me.
So how can we figure out I mean, their fall has a lot of allergies, we know that. And of course when the weather one day it's hot, the next day it's a little cooler. We sometimes people get colds around the time of the year, you know, and and COVID coming make it a little bit of a comeback. What should we look for? Obviously we want to be able to figure out or our doctors. I'm sure we'll figure it out. But before, but before we get to the doctor, is there anything we can.
Do well first to be able to differentiate between the causes of these symptoms. COVID, as opposed to allergy, is almost associated with an elevated fever with the temperature we also see that with the flu very rarely in the COVID and not at all analogies because allergies are not an infectious process. The symptoms obviously with COVID are our fever, cough, shortness of breath, and the one that people complain a
lot about it is that loss of smell. With allergy, the most common symptoms are sneezing, running nose, watery, itchy eyes. Usually they're on set is pretty quick as opposed to to COVID, which you know can appear several days after exposure. The one that you that is a little more difficult to differentiate is with influenza because influenza, also like COVID, can give you fatigue and aches and pains and fever and chills and cough, So that's hard to tell the difference.
But but covid UH definitely causes greater and more severe symptoms.
Well, I had one case I had COVID but I guess now a couple of years ago UH, and it was mild. But my daughter had advised me that as soon as you were diagnosed with some of those at home tests, to get your doctor to prescribe packslovid UH to to kind of cut it off of the pass and that, and it really seemed to work for me either I had a really mild case of that, pax
slova worked great. Are you an advocate of early intervention as soon as you get a positive tests to get something to fight it off and specifically pack slowed.
Well, there's certainly certainly underlying conditions would make it more urgent that you do start unpackslod and as you may know, you need to really start it within five days symptoms. The earlier the better. These are anti viral medicines that prevent the virus from replicating and causing more severe symptoms. You still may have some COVID symptoms but doesn't get
rid of it completely. But people, for example, over the age of sixty five, people who have any kind of chronic illness, especially in respiratory illnesses such as asthma or the chronic substructured pomony disease empazim and bartitis, or anybody with liver or kidney disease. Anybody who has any chronic illness certainly should consider pack slovid.
If you're a young person, would you advise generally a healthy young person, meaning someone in their twenties or thirties, just to write it out. Even though pax slovan is the most doubt, is there a downside to the pax slovak, which would you wouldn't recommend it for everyone?
Well, there have been cases of rebound where after you felt better five to seven days later, the symptoms did come back. The other thing is that you need to
be careful about drug interaction. So if you are going to start past packlovid, it's really important that you checked with the pharmacists or your physician if you're taking any other drugs, especially drugs that affect liver function, so and if you are in any immunosuppressive drugs, So those are those are the types of things that you have to
be concerned about. The you know there can there can be some issues with liver problems if you are taking other medicines that also affect liver function.
Yeah, it's so important to make sure you do this through a doctor. Obviously, packs alov it is a prescription drug. You know, you're not to be able to buy that over the counter, like a lot of medications, so it's important there. Let me just go back to the to the allergies, which I guess in a pyramid here. Uh, it might be the base of what we're talking about. There may be more people impacted by allergies as opposed to a cold or the flu at this time of year.
Allergies are different around the country. So if we're in Massachusetts and if you're in California or Florida, there's there's different allergies at different times during the seasons, during the every every season, I guess. So you've got to almost figure out where you live and what you might be exposed to when you when you start to get like a little minor case of the sniffle. Is that fair to say?
Yeah?
And the person that can help you out with that is analogous certainly. People have who have allergies can have complications, for example, chronic sinus problems. If it gets it affects you lungs, it can cause difficulty breathing. As far as pollen seasons, the usual pollen seasons in the spring, we usually see tree pollens and that usually starts February March, April, and then into May and June you get the grass pollen. And now in the fall, especially in the Boston area,
ragweed is the major pollen in the air. Weeds are seen throughout the country, but different weeds could be causing different brows. For example, in southern California we have sagebrush. Not a lot of sagebrush in Boston.
No, not within my memory. And then one other point, which which I'm sure you're aware of. I just learned this the other day. I'm on the wrong side of fifty. So I had gotten an RSV shot last winter, and I thought, well, maybe it's like the flu shot. You have to get a second one. And I went to a local drug store, a chain drug store, and they were bout to give me the rs They said, oh, by the way, have you ever had an RSV shot before?
I said, well, can you check my records? Yeah? They said you had one last winter and they said RSV shots one and done. I did not know that.
Yes, the concern with RSV again are the higher risk patients who have respiratory problems asthma, COPD, bronchitis. But the place that we get particularly concerned RSV is in very very young children. Is the cause of what we've heard it was bronchiolitis, and there's not a lot of good treatment for it. It's just supportive treatment, giving fluid, giving oxygen.
But we really don't have a definitive treatment for RSV other than supportive care, and so we really want to do everything we can to prevent RSV infections.
In I assume that RSV would not be a good thing for grandparents, but the secondaries, you don't want to transmit it to a young child, to your grandchild. So there's two reasons why grandparents should be thinking about that particular inoculation correct right now.
Fortunately, we do have very good treatments for allergies, We have very good treatments for asthma. Allergists and promonologist certainly can can help with that. And this group the patients who have allergy, and as with the ones that we worry about with with covid and the ones we worry about with influenza. That's why it's so so important to get vaccinated. Right now, they're doing vaccinations combinations of influenza
and covid vaccine. Personally, I did that. I feel that you know, you should try and do everything you can to try and mitigate, meaning decrease they of the symptoms because there is no there's no way to predict how
bad you're going to get young and healthy. People have gotten very severe cases of both influenza and COVID, so I would recommend you know that you get it and the younger people now we have an influenza can be vaccinated with the use of a navals bro It's called flu miss in between the ages of five and forty nine. You don't have to get the shot if your nervous around the needles. It's a weakened form of the virus, so you can you can sniff it up your nose.
Okay, Doctor William Berger, I really appreciate you. You founded the Allergy and Asthma Associates of Southern California Medical Group back in nineteen eighty one, so you've been doing this for a long time and you work with the Allergy and Asthmen Network. You were great, You've been great. Thank you for giving us some time tonight, and love to have you back as we roll through into a different allergy season. Hope you have a great rest of October.
We've had fabulous weather back here. I hope you have good weather out there as well. Thank you so much.
Yes, we do. As a matter of fact. Our national meeting the American College of Allergy is going to be in Boston starting this Thursday, so I will be in the Boston area.
Well, it's gonna get a little cooler, by the way, so pack a sweater. Okay, it's gonna right.
Yeah. Well, thanks thanks for the advice, and thanks for having me on your show.
My pleasure, Doctor William Berger. Enjoy Boston. Okay, it's a great city. Thank you so much. All right, thanks, all right, and we get back on to talk about another really important issue. Uh, and that is the issue of breast cancer. Going to talk with a surgical breast oncologist, but we're going to focus a little bit on breast cancer amongst men, which I think is an important aspect of this Breast Cancer Awareness Month. My name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside.
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Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World Nights Side Studios, WBZ News Radio.
Well, I think most of us know that October is breast cancer Awareness Month, and rightfully or wrongfully, most people associate with breast cancer with women as the victims of
that disease. But that's not true. And we're going to talk with doctor Sam Nordello, who's a surgical breast oncologist at Toughts Medical works both at Toughts Medical Center and at the Melrose Wakefield Hospital within the tough Medicine health system, and we're going to talk about the reality of breast cancer in men, Doctor Noddllo, I knew that men are not immune to this disease, but how prevalent is it amongst men? Is it rare? Somewhat rare? How would you characterize it?
By Dan? I just want to take a moment to thank you as well as all the listeners free opportunities to speak this evening. As you mentioned, it's breast cancer Rare Month.
Honored doctor, now teller you can we often we get a lot of great doctors here and we are very grateful for all of them. Go Red ahead. I did not mean to up your interrupt you. I apologies.
I yeah, I wanted to take a month to express my admiration to all the listeners here who have personally dealt with or have a family member with cancer. Every day I'm reminded of their strength and courage, and it helps motivate me and all my colleagues to find a cure. So you had mentioned the prevalence. Unfortunately, it is rare. Unfortunately,
cancer is very very common in men. There's about twenty seven hundred men diagnosed with breast cancer every year, and it makes up about one percent of all the breast cancers that we diagnosed annually.
So this is this is in America, not in America. Yeah, in America. Okay, So if it's you said, it's it's one percent.
One percent of all breast cancers are in men.
Yes, okay, fine, okay.
So fairly on, fairly uncommon, but not something that people should ignore. And you know, if you have a family history or if you feel something, I think that that's the reason to bring that to the attention of your doctor.
So most obviously men do not take mammograms. I assume that they probably are not available for men. And with that such, you know, a low frequency uh, it probably would not be worth the risk. So what what should men do? I mean, would they feel a lump somewhere, you know, in their upper upper torso and in the in the what you know, their breast area what we would call the pecks.
Yeah, that's right, Dan, you know, it's surprisingly I see a lot of men. A lot of men do come to see me because they feel a new lump or their significant other feels a lump and they come in. And in that case I do recommend a self exam, especially as there's a strong family history. So if a man has as a strong family history of either other men in their family who has had a breast cancer or a first degree relative, I think it's important not only to do testicular exams, but to do breast exams.
And if you feel something, that would be a good reason and an indication to get not only a mammogram, but an ultrasound. Now, if somebody has a mutation in a gene such as a brack a gene which places them at a hundredfold increased risk of developing beast cancer over the lifetime, that is somebody that might actually benefit from getting a mammogram on an annual basis, and in that case, we typically would start mammograms starting at age fifty.
So the conception of just because I'm a man, I can't get a mammogram, that's something that you should talk to your doctor about because you might actually have a reason to get one.
How do you figure out if you had that gene?
Yeah, great question.
It's usually a strong family history. So if you notice several family members have breast cancer, pancreatic cancer, of cancer, melanoma. If you just notice there's a cluster, that's a good reason to talk with your doctor or meet with a certified genetic counselor to determine if you could get genetic testing.
And is that particularly I think as it was the Braco gene, that is the gene that can can signal perhaps early on or proclivity towards the cancers you just mentioned. Or are you saying that if there's a preponderance or a number of each of those, then you have to be concerned about pancreatic cancer or whichever the cancers are Those cancers all somehow related, is what I'm asking.
A lot of times they are related, and that's why I had mentioned though, So if that's something you notice where you just have a strong family history of a certain type of cancer or many cancers, that's definitely something worthwhile mentioning to your doctor or making an appointment to meet with a certified genetic Counselor the gene that we most commonly associate with male breast cancer or is the bracket gene or b RCA, which stands for breast cancer
gene and most significantly bracket too. There's BRACCA one in bracket two. Bracket two is a gene that is most commonly associated with male breast cancer.
And what obviously, the earlier anything is detected, the better chance of survival. But it is the treatment for breast cancer for men basically the same protocol as for women that could involve some serious surgical procedures.
Yeah, you hit the nail on the head with early detection saves lives. So we see a lot of men they think that they can't get this disease and oh, this isn't something that affects men, so we typically would see them at later presentation. So again just emphasizing the importance of self exams and self awareness. So if you feel something, you may notice a hard lump underneath your breast. You may notice skin tethering, may notice that there's a mass that seems like it's fixed to the skin or
to the peck muscle itself. You could notice some bloody nipple discharge, whether it be on your t shirt or your sheets. That's a great reason that you should be concerned and bring it to the attention to your doctor.
Well, thank you so much. Boy. That's a lot of information packed into a brief period of time. You're a great communicator. I'm sure you equally or even better surgical bristoncologists, but you gave the clearest answers of many of the physicians that I've had. So I just want to say thanks very much again doctor now dello, and again long day for I know most of you start early, those of you who are as surgeons, and thanks very much
for being with us tonight. You may have helped some people in my audience tonight, or maybe some people in my audience tonight will carry the message on to other men and to others in their family. So hopefully you did a lot of good tonight.
Thank you so much for your John, Thank you Dan, thanks for spreading the message.
You bet you anytime. We'll do it again. We'll do it again. Doctor Sam Nardello, surgical breast oncologist at Toft's Medicine, works both at Tough's Medical Center and at the Melrose Wakefield Hospital within the Toughs Medicine Health System. All right, now, when we get back, we're going to have our one non doctor of this eight o'clock hour, and it's going to be Salem Mayor Dominic Pangalo, and we're going to
talk about Salem's haunted happenings. Oh, that's where you either want to be on Halloween or the place in the world you don't want to be. We'll talk with the Mayor of Salem right after this.
It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.
All right, back to the calls now, and we are delighted to introduce the Mayor of Salem, which will be the center of the universe on Halloween. Mayor Mayor just Dominic Bengalo. You we got a busy month coming up, by assume, how are you tonight?
It's been a busy month last month and a half here, so it's a busy season.
I am absolutely certain it is. I mean, how much prep when do you I assume you begin prepping this probably last November my right or wrong?
That's right.
Yeah, we have after action meetings, we start talking about what worked what didn't work in November, and we work all year long to prepare for October and even mid September when we really start seeing the increase in visitors.
Just a point it in context. Salem at this point, how big a city is it. Does it have a couple of three thousand people?
No? No, Salem is a city of forty four thousand people in eight square miles. And last year in October, we had about one point two million visits to the city just in October, so you.
Had the equivalent maybe of about twenty five visitors for every resident.
Yeah, and we have four thousand parking spaces downtown, so you can do the map about the parking situation.
Yeah. So is there a website where people can go and get all the information they need about what's going on and when is it going on so they can time their visit And then I know what you're going to tell us about driving into Salem. So let's hear that too, Go right ahead, mayor.
Yeah, Yeah, So the website is haunted Happenings dot org. Haunted Happenings is the month long celebration. It's hundreds of privately organized events, fairs, balls, haunted houses, attractions, parades, all kinds of activities that are happening in Salem. You can find out more about those events at Haunted Happenings dot org. And really we encourage people take the train, take the ferry, take your broom. Don't drive to Salem. There's not enough parking.
You're going to spend a lot of time sitting in traffic if you drive, and it's not going to be a fun experience for you. The train from Boston's only a half hour, it runs regularly, it's very affordable. On weekends in October, we have a ferry from Boston and Long Wharf, and this year we're running a ferry from hang Them on the South Shore as well, So if you're coming from the South Shore, get to hang Them. Take the ferry. It's about a forty five to fifty.
Five minute boat ride.
It's very pleasant, and that takes you right to our historic waterfront.
Now, my listeners know that I don't do scripted interviews, so I sometimes will ask a question to which there really is not an answer, But I always like to ask questions. That's that's basically what I do for a living, done that most of my life. So of all the people, this one point two five million people who will come and visit, do you folks in Salem have any idea about how many continents or how many countries have someone
come there? I mean, I would assume that over time you've you've kind of realized that not all those one point twenty five million are coming from the nowesth Shore.
Definitely not.
We have a lot of international travel. I mean, the October tourism in Salem is really a boon for the entire region and for the Commonwealth. We fill hotels across the north Shore and into Boston along the commuter rail line on the Newburyport Rockport Line. People will fly here from other countries and other continents, travel from other states
to experience Salem in October. And if you're one of those people, we encourage you to plan ahead and think about traveling and other times of the year, because what makes Salem special and magical in October it's all there. In November, it's all there. In February and June, we're here at twelve months of the year.
So I'm just I'm curious and this. Have you ever met someone from I don't know, you know, New Zealand or some far away place that you look at them and you say, you've come from where? I mean, yeah, oh yeah, somewhere like that.
I mean yeah.
We have a lot of international We have a lot of international travel from Asia, we have we welcome people from Europe. We had a group of dancing which is from Germany coming to city Hall about two weeks ago to visit, which is a lot of fun. So people come from all over the world. They celebrate Halloween, they celebrate history, and they get a little taste of what our historic city has to offer.
Now, how is it that the legend of Salem, the history of Salem has so penetrated not just in America, but as you indicated, around the world. I mean, I'm sure there are cities in Germany that or other countries around the world that people go to. I just had some listeners. We took a trip with WBC listeners to Rome. We went to Rome and the Mouthea Coast, and a year ago we were in Ireland in Dublin, and those
are the cities to think of. But I think sometimes, you know, people come to America, go to New York and Washington, d C. Maybe Boston, But Salem is such a fun city. How does the word get out there?
I mean, it gets out there for sure. We're Salem has a notoriety because of what happened in sixteen ninety two that can never be changed and the impact of.
We're not even going to talk about that.
The impact of the witch trials affected the American jurisprudence, that affected our values. But Salem's history is connected to the American Revolution, It's connected to American literature, the abolitionist movement, architecture, maritime history, and trade. There's so many connections that you know. We love when people come for Halloween fun and they're surprised by the stories they discover about our connections to so much about America's history. In twenty twenty six, Salem
turns four hundred years old. We'll have our quad centennial. We're getting ready for a big party that year and really speaks to how we look to our past and informs our future. And we love to share our story with the world.
So Salem four hundred years old, Yeah, Salem was founded in what year I'm trying to do.
The map, sixteen twenty six was the.
Twenty six I mean they landed at Plymouth in sixteen twenty. I couldn't walk. It would take me six six years to get up the coast to Salem. That's I did not realize that in terms of the oldest cities in America. Obviously you're amongst the oldest cities in America. Is there any sort of a sort of a standing that says Salem is the twentieth oldest city or I'm just curious. I would think that someone must have.
Been research on that, not that I'm familiar with offhand. It's pretty early for European arrival because of you know, just the settling in Massachusetts Bay Colony by the Europeans was fairly early in the arrival of Europeans on this continent. But it's it's up there in terms of age. You know, America is going to celebrate the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the American Revolution that same year, twenty twenty six, seventeen seventy six, and we're excited to tell Salem story
about our connections to the revolution. And what happened with the gunpowder raid unless there's retreat. And the first meeting of the Massachusetts Provincial Congress was actually in Salem before they moved to Concord. But really Salem's history and its influence on the development of the nation go back even further than the twenty fifty year mark. So we're ready to celebrate in twenty twenty six.
Unbelievable Boston was founded. I think Boston has had its three hundred and fiftieth anniversary, and I think Boston was founded in sixteen thirty, so you were founded before Boston.
Yeah, Boston, it's a yeah, Boston's a quaint little suburb of the greater Salem area.
Spoken like the Mayor of Salem, and it is the mayor of Salem, Dominic Pangalo, Mayor. I enjoyed the conversation, Thank you very much. It was very informative and it was fun. Appreciate it a lot.
You're very welcome. Thanks.
Okay, talk to you soon when we get back. We're going to talk about We're going to talk with an author and speaker and a board certified psychiatrist, believe it or not. In a few days. We're going to move those clocks, which at spring forward and fall back. We're going to we' g in the game an hour of sleep, but it's also gonna it's gonna disrupt our our internal clocks. We'll explain with doctor Susan Truckman right after this break on night Side.
Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World, night Side Studios on w b Z, the news Radio.
All right, we are delighted to be joined by a bird sort of board certified psychiatrist, author and speaker, doctor Susan Truckman, double board certified in adult psychiatry and forensic psychiatry with over thirty years of clinical and academic experience. Double board certified. I like that, that's for sure. It's almost like double secret probation.
If of it's just a lot of paper, and it's a lot of paper.
I got it, I got it. I gotta get a good sense of here. Thank you. I'm sure you did a lot of work to be double board certified. It's almost time to change the clocks. Not this weekend, but is it Halloween weekend? Are the eight weekend after Halloween?
Oh gosh, I think I dreaded so much that I probably you know, haven't looked it up, but it is coming all right.
Well, one of my friends are going to going to look it up for us and they'll tell it to me in my ear. But I think it's the weekend following. It might be actually the weekend before the election on Tuesday the fifth.
Oh, that'll make everyone real happy.
Well, well, it's it's one hour. If exs to sleep. I love the fall because it's spring full, would fall back? I get an extra yeah, sleep, I mean plus November third. I was right, doctor, how about that?
Intuitively you're better than me, then you're better than me. Like you said, I haven't been paying attention because I think, you know, I am one of those folks who really would prefer that we would just pick one and just leave it.
You know.
Yeah, it's a little frightening that first Sunday evening when all of a sudden it's getting dark at four thirty, and you say, wait a second going on here. But it's nice that moment that morning, if you're going to some sort of religious service, all of a sudden, it's actually a little like daylight. So this this does impact the circadian rhythms of animals.
As it impacts the circadian mythimum of all of us and of us you know, I noticed that even you know, my animals. When I have to get up and it's dark and the alarm goes off, I look at them and and they're sound asleep, and I go, okay, it's time to get up, and they're looking at me like, are you serious? Are you serious?
So we also very smart, are very smart?
They are, they are, and we are all really affected by the sun. And and that's the basis of the circadian rhythm. And the circadian rhythm is a twenty four hour rhythm that basically regulates you know, many human behaviors, sleep, mood, appetite, energy, and it's hot, it's easier in the fall all to fall back, and not just so much more that we get more sleep, but we are less affected by the
change in light. And the two the key, the two elements that are most important in changing time and how it affects human health and human mental health is number one, the amount of daylight that we get, and I can go into that in just a moment. And number two is the effect on sleep, and that's the more critical one.
But the amount of daylight doctor, and you're the expert. I'm not. But the amount of daylight doesn't change. It's just you get it at a different time, so you well in the morning and you'll lose it in the afternoon.
Right, true, but that also affects our sleep. And the way that it affects our sleep is if we get up in the fall, and we get up and it's effectively you know, an hour later, Yeah, we get more sunlight, and the brain thinks, okay, great time to wake up. However, it actually kind of throws off the sleep cycle in that the hormone melatonin that is important in the process
of sleep is also affected by light. And people do tend to feel sleepier in the winter, and that is possibly one of the reasons is that you're spending more time in darkness, and so your brain thinks, oh, okay, darkness, we produce more malatonin. We're going to get sleepy. So you've heard of seasonal effective disorder, which is akin to the hibernation in bears, for example, Right, so they hybernate in winter. Well what do humans do? Humans kind of
they get more sluggish, they exercise less. We're spending less time in daylight, we're spending less time outdoors, we're spending less time socializing because it gets cold and people stay indoors. And guess what that can contribute to depression, which is why depression is higher in folks who are predisposed to
mood disorders in the winter. It also has an impact on how our brains produce an important neurochemical called serotonin, Meaning the less daylight your brain is exposed to, the less likely it is to produce serotonin, which we think also is an influence and why people are more depressed or some people are more depressed in the winter.
Yeah, that's seasonal disorder. I am very familiar with it. I have someone who I know is who's a public figure who has dealt with that and dealt with in a very public way, very public way, to her credit. But you know, it's still it's still funny. The push for you know, daylight savings time, I believe came from farmers across the country who wanted to be able to see the sun a little earlier in the morning when they were doing them morning choice. Is that folk tale or is that actually true?
Well, the truth is, I mean, there's two stories that are told about the beginning of daylight saving time. One was that Benjamin Franklin wrote a piece in one of the Parisian newspapers kind of as a joke, suggesting that the Parisian should get up earlier because they would use less oil in their oil lamps that way. However, he
intended it as a joke. But then there was an American entomologist, which is someone who studies bugs, and he thought that daylight saving time was a great idea because then people could get up earlier and have more daylight to go find bugs. Most people don't tell.
That in the winter time, there's not too many bugs around.
I mean, well, they're there, but they're sleeping, so I mean, you know, if you're looking for bugs, it's harder to find them when it's dark. But I think most people's or not. I thought, don't care.
I'm not an entomologist, No, what do I play with in the radio. But I thought that bugs buried themselves like in tree bark or underground, and you don't see any bugs until sometime up here in Boston up you know, sometime in late April or early main they say, oh, yeah, I remember that that's an inn, yeah or whatever.
Yeah, but they come out in the daylight right, because there's more daylight starting in April. Oh yeah, I know that.
But I'm saying if you look at if you look at for bugs in December and January different, I don't know. Yeah, But so the thing about the farmers is really, you know, a fairy tale. I thought that was the people who pushed to get it done and have pushed against those in Congress who wanted to change it back to the way it used to they should be before.
No, I mean, I think you're right. And when when this country, you know, it was more of an agrarian society, you know that made sense. But you know, as the time has gone by, you know, we're less and less of an agrarian society. And you know, the majority of us, you know, go buy a nine to five schedule during the week, you know, including kids who go to school, and they're very much affected by the change in time.
I want you to know, doctor, Yeah, I really want you know this. You're talking to someone who has never had a nine to five schedule. I worked in television years. I worked on the late news, and I worked on the early morning news, and now I do a talk show from eight to midnight Monday through Friday. Been doing this for eighteen years. I've and whenever I drive and there's like other cars on the road, I'm thinking to myself, how do people handle it? Ni?
Oh, listen, you don't know what you've been missing.
I've been in traffic though you travel a lot, and you've been in traffic, particularly down in your neck of the woods in the DC area.
Yeah.
I really enjoyed this conversation. You're you're a fun interview and I'm serious.
Thank you us.
It's a serious subject, but you're a good sport and I can see why you're double board certified in adult psychiatry and friends.
Like I said, it's just a lot of paper. But thank you for having me. I very much enjoyed this.
Well, thank you very much. We'll have you back. Thanks very much, Doctor Susan Trouckman.
Alrighty, take care bye.
Yeah, so November third will be the day when we change the clocks by an hour. When we get back, we're going to talk about question number three on the Massachusetts ballot, and that is the question that deals with the potential for Uber and Lyft drivers to form and join a union. This is a confusing question, but we'll sort it out not only tonight at nine, but tomorrow night as well. So we're going to have both sides of this issue on back to back nights, which is
the way you should do it in radio. Coming back on nightside