It's Night Side with Dan Ray WBZST Radio.
All right, everybody, welcome on back, Welcome on back to Nightside, a Tuesday night edition. Here weather forecast that is going to get a little chillier as this week went on, So I'm kind of bemoaning that. I mean, it's like still been summer for a while. Okay, we are as always here at WBZ, committed certainly on Nightside to explain as best we can, both sides whenever possible. The various
ballot questions. There are five ballot questions this year that we are going to be talking about, as I'm sure we've talked about some of them already. I think many of you are familiar with our support for the state auditors authority to audit the legislature, which is Question one that has the question that the state Auditor, Diane Desauglio is basically would ask us to vote yes to allow the state Auditor to audit, to have the authority to
audit the legislature. The legislature has not been cooperative there that we have the elimination of the mcast as a high school graduation requirement. That's kind of funny because if you to eliminate it, you have to vote yes. To keep, you have to vote no. There's also minimum ways for tipped workers, which we're talked about a little bit, and the limited legalization and regulation of certain natural psychedelic substances, which we have talked about, but we have not talked
about today. Question three, unionization for transportation network drivers. And we're delighted to be joined tonight by a representative who is opposed to this question question three. Her name is Kelly Cobb Lemir. She is with an organization which is entitled the Massachusetts Drivers United. You're an organizer for that, Kelly Cobb Lamir, Welcome to night Side. Thanks for being
available tonight. We will actually have a representative on the yes side of question three, and I believe that they will be joining us as early as tomorrow night in this same hour, So give everybody an opportunity to hear both sides of the issue. And this is kind of this is a complicated one, Kelly. From our conversation today, we'll keep it as simple as possible. First of all, you are not a driver, correct, but you are a union activist. I have you a fair way to describe you.
Yes, definitely, we definitely. We're pro union. We are on grassroots, one driver led organization, and we've been fighting for rights and protections at drivers.
How many members makes up the group Massachusetts Drivers United approximately.
We have about probably about eighteen hundred to two thousand members.
And these would be people who drive for either Uber Lift those I assume you could also include bus drivers or cab drivers. But are they Uber and Lyft drivers or are similar ride share drivers.
They would be ride share drivers Uber Lyft. But we also we also have in our group a whole group of workers, which would be delivery drivers. So okay, so those people, those workers are left out of this ballot initiative, and that's one of the reasons why we're opposed to it.
So those would be the folks that deliver food, door dash and those sort of drivers. When you order a pizza late at night, that driver is out there hustling, just like an Uber or a Lyft driver, but they're transporting in most cases food. I guess they could also transport other items, but they're not transporting people.
Right, I mean, basically this is you know, the ride share drivers, so it doesn't include food delivery or passenger. You know, there's also medical. Uber has a medical transport, so they are transporting passengers, but they are leaving out all the food delivery drivers. And you know, most drivers work for multiple platforms, and so you know, Massachusetts Drivers United has been advocating that all app based workers, including
food delivery drivers, be included in this. So there's a huge group of workers that would be left out of this law, those that work for door Dash, Instacart, and Uber Eats.
Well, my understanding, and I've tried to do a little research on it, is that ballid questions in Massachusetts are fairly closely monitored and it's not as if you and I can get it just to just have to get the signatures. They also have to sign the stand and qualify.
And the correct question would be if you try to include again food rivers or or people who are not Uber lift type drivers, meaning you know, the people who drive another person from point A to point B, would that disqualify this issue from even getting on the ballot or would the Attorney General have said no, there's there's too many internal questions here. You will it down just a single question, right.
Well, you know, as we we've been advocating that it is a complex issue. There has been legislation that mirrors this ballot, and that's been legislation that mirrors what we've been fighting for, which would make you know, drivers employees and give them full rights, including all app based drivers. But unfortunately the legislators thought it was too complex. I think they were leaving it for the Attorney general settlement. They were leaving it for.
Well, I'm sure that probably the legs or as they are often influenced my businesses and companies who who might maybe Uber Lyft. I assume that Uber and Lyft are not thrilled about this question from any perspective, correct, They would probably make me keep everything the way it is.
Well, it basically is in a lot of ways. I mean, that's one of the reasons why we are against it is that Uber and lyft a not against question three. You know, customarily they've allocated hundreds of millions of dollars into election battles to keep drivers from having rights. You know, they did that in California when Prop twenty two was on the ballot. And the fact that Uber and Lyft are silent on this is really a strong indication that it is benefiting them to some degree and not necessarily
the drivers. Obviously they're being classified as independent contractors. The Attorney General. The Attorney General settlement, you know, solidify that. But the lawsuit was actually about misclassification and they didn't get a ruling on that. So this, in my mind, because they're silent on it means that they're benefiting from it. They actually are advertising to drivers. Oh look, we came
up with this settlement. You know, we're going to give you thirty two to fifty an hour, We're going to give you a few benefits, and they're actually promoting it. So I mean that's a red flag for any labor union to look at. Why is uber and left?
You know?
Okay with this?
Okay, this is a complicated issue and we will sort it out as the evening goes on. We'll take it little bites at a time. My guest is her name is Kelly kab leamir. She's an organizer for a group called the Massachusetts Drivers United, and they are opposed to Question three. And again, your instinct would be that rideshare drivers would support a question which allow them to unionize, but this is a group that is opposed to that. And as they said tomorrow night, we'll have on another
point of view on this issue. So if you'd like to join the conversation, you're more than welcome if you If you can help us bring some clarity to it, that would be great. Uh six one, seven, two, five, four thirty six, one seven, nine, ten thirty. I'll be back with my guest, Kelly cobb Lemire of the Massachusetts Drivers United, which is opposed to mass ballot Question three,
which would allow Uber and Lyft drivers to unionize. So, uh, if you have a question, feel free to join us back on Nightside right after this.
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Now, I know that I have a lot of Uber drivers and Lyft drivers who are driving around right now and listening to night Side, and I'm specific looking for perspective from drivers, whether you're a member of the Massachusetts Drivers United, a group that Kelly cobb Lemir represents, or you're on the other side of this issue. The question is Uber came on board? What about ten years ago? All of a sudden Uber pops up and at least that's the history that I recall. Are you with me on that, Kelly?
Yeah, I'm about that time frame.
Yeah, And I was stunned that Uber could actually work in cities like Boston where for many, many years Boston had had eighteen hundred Hackney licenses and to get a Hackney license you had to pay an arm and a leg about a half a million dollars, And all of a sudden Uber arrives and I just watched them decimate the cab industry because the vehicles were cleaner, and the drivers were younger, and they were more flexible with their hours. So Uber has some pretty good lawyers and uh business
people associated with it. Those are the people who the drivers are always going to be sitting across the table from. And what you hope to do is to be able to level that playing field. But why not take whatever victory you can get and support this, uh, this ballot initiative and then go back a year from now or two years from now with another ballot initiative. What's what's wrong with taking half a loaf or you know, three quarters of a loaf, uh, at risk not getting any of the loaf? Right?
Yeah, A lot of people have said that, you know, isn't it better to have something than nothing? But you know, The way I look at this, Dan, and the way we look at it from a labor perspective is, uh, this not only does it maintain the drivers as independent contractors and doing nothing to confirm Massachusetts law that would you know, cover drivers as full labor you know, with
full labor and employment rights. But this would actually create a second tier of workers, you know, by granting this group of workers some rights but not guaranteeing them access to the rights of other Massachusetts workers, it really does a disservice and in our minds it you know, it creates a second tier with fewer rights and less power and ability to even enforce those rights.
Assuming this statue, this ballot indership were to pass, what rights would the drivers at least in the short run miss out on.
Well, for sure, no unemployment insurance, no workers comp and no overtime. And you know they're saying, oh, we're giving you thirty two fifty an hour, but not really, because it's only when you turn the app on and accept a ride and then you deliver the passenger. There's no overtime, there's no wait time. So it's basically you know that one particular you know, when you're you know, you've accepted
a ride and you're delivering the passenger. And a lot of times you'll ask uber and lyft drivers they're waiting for passengers, they're they're you know, they're waiting for rides. They're looking for the good rides, and they're looking for things that work out for them, and so they're they're waiting a lot. So you know, that doesn't really help them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I know a little bit about this. But whenever you know a little bit about something, it's my understanding is that because I've been in situations where you say, yeah, I want to you know, I'll take some over driver says yea, I'll pick you up, and all of a sudden, the over driver disappears because they have found or the lift driver disappears because they've found a more lucrative fear. Does that happen, Well.
Yeah, I mean it could. But I think what happens is sometimes there's not a lot of transparency. Like I know from some drivers they said they didn't even know where the passenger would going. How could you accept a ride with a you know, with a fair amount and then not really know that you're maybe picking up multiple
people because there's also multiple stops. So I think, you know, one of the reasons that we were promoting, you know, wanting to pass legislation is because we want transparency, not just for the drivers, but for passengers so they know what what's happening, because a lot of times passengers are assuming that whatever they're paying Uber and lyfts for this fair is going to the driver, when actually, you.
Know, it's not.
They may be getting maybe if they're lucky, thirty percent and maybe a tip, but the drivers, you know, aren't. Really there's not a lot of transparency, and that's why we've been pushing for legislation.
Well, when they started out, I thought you told me today that the drivers would get eighty percent. Has that never been decreased by the big camp exactly?
Originally a lot of drivers when they started driving, we're making eighty percent, and that's because Uber and left we're luring them in, and they were saying that, you know, once they got in. Pretty much shortly after that, they were they were not getting that same amount. They were
going down to like thirty percent. So yeah, that's and they have Here's the thing too, Dan, if they really were independent contractors by by the legal standard, you would have negotiated your pay, So they're really employees subject to
whatever uber lyfticides to pay them for whatever fare. So, I mean, that's the part that we really are trying to point out is there's still this misclassification and you're not giving them, you know, any of the benefits that go along with being an employee because you're maintaining the independent contractor to status, which isn't really true because they they they would have already negotiated, you know, getting seventy or eighty percent. But that's you know, that's part of the problem.
All right, let's do this. Let's get some phone calls going here. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty or six one, seven, nine, three thirty. I'm going to get Johnny, and Johnny's been waiting. Get Johnny gets you in here before the news at the bottom of the hour. You were first on Night Side with Kelly cobb Lemire of the Massachusetts Drivers United.
Go ahead, Hi, Dan, missus Johnny from Selfie. Yeah, you know, love listening to your show, and I just I just need to get this twelve bye. I read the missiative petition and it sounded like they were union people that were preventing, uh, the independent people, the people that work for wolver Lift or whatever they were, they were preventing them from becoming unionized. That did I get that right? That pass?
Well, let's see what Kelly says. Kelly's a union person, she's opposed to the initiative. So I assume you could come to that conclusion. But let's let Kelly defend. Okay, sure, Kelly, why don't you tell John you what your credentials are.
We're definitely pro union. We we definitely part of our you know, mission statement is for a pathway to a union. The reason why, you know, there's multiple reasons and multiple layers and the complexity of why we don't support this ballot initiative is it And it's not just because we don't want a pathway to a union. It's because of all these other things that go along with it. So we're definitely pro.
The other reasons, well I mentioned that.
Was that it maintains the drivers as independent contractors. It creates a second tier of workers. It was no overtime, no unemployment insurance, no workers comp So these workers are getting some rights, but not access to all different rights. Another huge reason why we are questioning. This is because this pathway to a unionization that is in this ballot initiative leaves out the National Labor Relations Act, which is a national law that protects workers' rights to organize. That
law is much stronger than question three. Question three completely leaves out some of the rights, for example, the right to strike when workers don't take.
I'm sorry, you're talking about the National Labor Relation for.
The National Labor Relations Act, Yeah, the Wagner Act. It's a national law that protects workers' rights to organize, and that would be stronger than this because because this isn't isn't national law, it's only state law. So state law would not give them as many rights. So what kind of leverage? You know, why would Massachusetts want a law that didn't give workers the basic right to strike? You know that leverage?
Yeah, so if they got their foot in the door. I'm sorry, I just get clear because I know how I feel about it, and I've never heard in all my years of being a union activist and a union elected official that unions were trying to prevent other people to get to where we got by just being middle class people.
And so.
If they got the foot in the door by letting them unionize, then just by getting in the getting a foot in the door, they can work on those things that we're trying to prevent them to go to the next step.
Which John, that's a good argument. But again, I think that Kelly has explained it a couple of times, and I think that I asked for your question kind of the same way. Isn't it better take half of me?
I'm sorry, I.
Nothing, No, no, no, that's fine.
Just get on to you.
That's fine. No, I just wanted to know. I'm glad you got the same answer that I did. Kelly has been very forthright with both you and me, and I appreciate you. Call. John, thank you. We've got the nine to thirty news, so I got to take a quick break. The only well, we got two lines open, one at six one, seven thirty and we have one at six one seven ninety. Fill them up. We'll get you in. You can ask whatever questions you would like of my guest,
Kelly kabb Lamir. She's with a group called Mass Drivers United. This group, she says, about eighteen hundred to two thousand right share drivers are as well as other people who DoorDash drivers who basically make their living transporting in the case of Uber and Lyft, transporting people in the case of door Dash, and others importing uh transporting products. Kelly Cobb LAMIIR opposed to question three, which would allow Uber and Lyft drivers to organize. Her group is mass Drivers
at night It feel free to join the conversation. Ask a question. Be back on Nightside right after the news at the bottom of the hour.
If you're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's news radio.
My guest is Kelly Cobb LEMIR. She's opposed to question three. She represents. She tells me some eighteen hundred to two thousand Massachusetts drivers in a group called mass Drivers United. She says that membership includes and if I'm wrong here, correct me, some Uber, some Lyft drivers, but also people who work for door Dash. I mean Uber Lyft drivers transport people. There are other drivers out there that transport documents, They transport food and things that are that are not people.
But she feels that this question three does not go far enough to cover all of the concerns that any of these drivers might have. Let me go to Ryan, who's calling in from Fall River. Ryan welcome your first you're actually your second this hour. But I'm beginning to think you might be a first time caller, Ryan, because I can't recall someone from by from fall of Ryan.
Yeah, I am a first time caller. I'm actually one of them members of massachus Drivers United along with.
Okay, well, I just wanted we just give you a run of applause from my digital studio audience. I wanted you to be honored properly. You go right ahead. So I assume you're in agreement with Kelly. Kelly kobb Lamir tell us, tell us, why yes.
So I've actually been dealing with a lot of issues with being a lift driver. I am a full time lift driver, where being uh classified as an employee would be very beneficial to me and to all the other drivers for simple reasons of like doing taxes. Having them be required to do all of our taxes and we just get the normal tax from that everyone else gets.
That'd be very beneficial. So we're not having to sit there and go through all of our dass receipts that we have to get any service order receipts that we've done throughout the year, and we have to keep every single thing that we do and so that we can make sure we maximize.
Let me ask you this, right, how would that change? In other words, if let's say you maintained your car as a normal business expense, you you would be you'd be able to take that as a tax deduction as long as this you know a certain amount of money based upon how much you made, But you'd have to be able to show that receipt uh to someone whoever's preparing your taxes. Sound to me like you're not a guy that wants to do the work of preparing your taxes.
Well, yes, you do still have to have certain receipts doing normal taxes for everyone and even now, but doing basically being your own business owner, you're required to people far more information than a normal regular person doing a normal W two job does. All they get is they get their W two.
Erstand there there were some people who liked the idea of being their own that's fine, there are some. But but you don't fall in that category, which is perfectly understandable. So that that makes it this attractive to you. So you're going to vote no on this question?
Yeah, as well as there's also other reasons like I believe that the uh the type of unions that we will end up getting if the question gets voted yes, will essentially be or could potentially be yellow unions because of the fact that a lot of the h information and like h you call it, literature that went into how this question got written was heavily influenced by Uber and Lyft, not directly.
Okay, you use the term yellow unions. I heard that term before. We mean that somehow Uber and Lyft is behind this unionization because it would be beneficial to them. Is that sort of correct?
So if for anyone who doesn't know what a your union is, essentially it is a union that is funded or uh controlled by the company that is a union of so it all benefits the company and doesn't actually fully end up benefiting the the employees and union members.
How much research did you have to do on this, Ryan, You're well spoken to come to your conclusion.
I've been hearing everything and doing my own research for since I've started driving with Lift because it's been headaches since I've started because they do so much different things
that affect me and affect how make money. Like Lift has what's called these bonus clouds on the map when you're driving around and you could be driving up to one and then all of a sudden just disappears out of your sight, and then you drive through the area, or you go out of that area for a few seconds and it just comes back in, but you try and go back and it disappears. Is things like that that could.
Be So that sounds like the employ that It sounds to me if that's true, that uber Lyft is kind of playing a game.
Right and so being able to have proper unions that are good and that what me and Kelly have been trying to fight for and our group has been fighting for. We're also employees as well, so we can have those type of proper type of unions. As being an employee, we could fight to have actual changes done to the app because currently the only way for any of us drivers to get hold of people is to call there.
For me, as a lift driver, all I have is their driver Help Center call line, which goes to a foreign call center.
Direct I'm deal with. I'll tell me I feel your pain. I've dealt with a lot of those foreign Can I tell you that that if you ask for what is called then here's a trick with some companies. If you say I'd like to speak with an onshore representative, they then will treat someone in the USA.
Yeah, maybe I'll try that next time.
Put it in your back pocket. Now, if they don't have any on shore representatives and they're dealing with everyone you know overseas, obviously that doesn't work. Hey, Brian, that was a great call. Thank you. I just got to get a couple more, well few more in here before the hours up Best Alive. It was a good call. Do me favorite shot listening to my program? Okay, I really mean that. How old are you are you selling your young guy?
Oh yeah, I'm actually twenty seven.
Well good for you. This is this is the type of type of work that you like to do. Yes, good for you. Good for you. Work hard. Thanks, Ryan, appreciate it very much.
Thank you for having me here.
You're very welcome. Let me get take some courage when you're twenty seven years old to pick up the phone and call a talk show for Attleborough. John, you were next with Kelly kobb Lemire on Nightside, Right head John?
All right, Dan, I listened to your show a lot when I'm out late at night. How are you tonight.
I'm doing great. Nice to make your acquaintance. Have you called before?
And no, I no, I don't believe I have.
We'll give you a round of a clause too, John, It's good. What's your what's you're taking? What Kelly had to say?
Well, I'm driving Uber for about seven weeks, so I'm relatively new at it, and I like it. I love it actually because I sit behind a computer all day doing it work, and I go out and drive four or five hours a night part time, and it's it's it's social time for me.
Yeah, you talk to the human beings. I get that. Yeah, you talk to people.
I get that exactly. So to clarify a couple of things about what you guys were talking about before the nine thirty YEWS book, Sure, relative relative to how much money of the fair that drivers receive, Yes, as far as Uber goes, I can't speak for Lift, but for Uber, we get between ninety two and ninety three percent of
what the customer's fair is. And Okay, the way that I know that is that we can using the app, when our ride is done, we can actually drill into we can actually drill into that ride and they give you a high graph of this is how much you were paid, and this percentage went to insurance, this percentage goes to Uber for you know, corporate profit. This percent went to such and so, and they pick it down by the percent.
Right something. So you're telling me that, you're telling me that as an Uber driver today. Uh and this isn't it because you're a first a Nubia, a new driver. This is what Uber drivers get if they drilled down. You're telling me it's ninety two, between ninety two and ninety three percent. Right.
It does change a little bit from day to day, but they tell you when you take the wrine, you you know you received.
Well, let me let me get Kelly's Let me get I just wanted to. We got a real difference here. Let me just get Kelly's quick comments on it. You don't need to debate it. But Kelly, uh, John is saying something significantly different than what we talked about before the news.
What do you yeah?
I mean the drivers that I talked to are not getting that much. You know, like I said, when they started out, they were getting a higher percentage. Now they're lucky to get uh you know, maybe thirty percent. Sometimes they sometimes they've worked all day and they've had two rides and they've made no money. So you know, are you relying John on what Uber and lifted telling you, or do you actually are you able to see from your app what the passenger paid and what you received?
No, I am not able to check. We we only we only get to see what we get paid. But I've checked with riders. Geez, if you don't mind you telling me I'm getting paid twenty one dollars and seventy six dollars twenty one dollars and seventy six cents for this ride to Providence, just so that I can keep.
Track, Do you mind telling me how Coober is trying you? And they'll I've had people tell me, oh, you know, twenty five dollars or twenty four dollars, twenty six whatever it is, and it checks out.
You'll check out, right, John. I appreciated your call. This is a complicated subject, but I'm past my break and if I don't get a break, I'm going to be driving Uber next week.
Okay, good night.
Thanks John, Please call again. I enjoyed the conversation. Will we'll take a break. My guest is Kelly kobb Lemire. She's a group called Master Ivers United. They are against Question three, which would allow Lyft and Uber drivers to unionize. Will be back. We're going to try to get everyone in between now and ten o'clock. We're going to be talking at ten o'clock about the state of the presidential
race two weeks from right now. You'll be hearing different broadcasters tell you this particular state went to this candidate, this particular state went to that candidate. So we are now within the two week and I thought tonight we'll check on state of the race and we'll talk with Spencer Kimball, Emerson College's premier and I mean truly premier polster. Great guy and a great polster. Back on Nightside after this.
Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Okay, we're getting tight on time. Let's see what we can do with everybody. We'll try a quick question of comment Mike and Boston. Mike. Next on Nightside, Dan, how are you. I'm doing great, Mike, We're tight on time.
I'll get I'll be quick here.
I'm a big supporter of unions, but I thought the whole business model for Uber was flexibility for the workers when they only work when they want. So how does that square with you know, uh, you know the ago debate will be independent contractor versus employee. And then I had a quick comment on waiting timerect.
Go right ahead, So I mean sorry, no, go ahead, Kelly.
Oh okay. Well, actually, Mike, thanks for the question. I think that's one of the things that Uber and Left have been really like pushing, Oh, you need flexibility, flexibility and benefits. You need to be independent contractors in order to have flexibility. But actually, flexibility is not tied to your employment status. You can be at W two worker and be flexible, you know. So to me, it's a
fear tactic. You know, they're not going to put Uber and Lyft drivers, as you said, their model their business model. You can't put them on a schedule, so you know you are going to be flexible. So the fact that they're saying, oh, you know, only to maintain independent contrast, you know, the only way to obtain your UH or keep your independent contractor status is to be flexible, and you know, to be an independent contract and not an employee.
It's just because they don't want to pay you. You know, they don't want to pay you to be an employee. They don't want to give you the benefits and the rights that they would pay you if you were an employee. So it's it's just a fear tactic.
Yeah, fair point. One quick comment you mentioned about being paid for waiting time. My niece is a flight attendants one of the major airlines in the bomb. I was shocked to find out she doesn't get paid.
Till the door closes, so forty five.
Minutes while they're they're passenger, they don't get paid.
It's amazing, right right.
Yeah.
My brother's an airline pilot, the same thing. They don't. They don't get any waiting time either. But you know that's negotiating. They're a union, so they could negotiate that, but for some reason they they don't.
I got to keep rolling. Got to keep rolling it, Mike, Thank you much. I want to get to a couple more calls. Thank you, sir, appreciate it. Jannis and Melrose. Jane's got to be quick, real quick, go ahead, Jennis.
One thing I didn't understand reading the ballet question is why the state is so involved.
I mean, if ups drivers had an agreement with their company. Massachusetts doesn't have to approve it, does it. And they've all served the public. I just didn't understand there was a lot of arbitration with the state, and I didn't, I.
Guess in order for them to they tried to get it through the legislature. Didn't work, and so therefore they're trying to They're trying to get the right to unionize through the.
CRE and we don't. We don't. We want to do away with arbitration. So absolutely, yeah, Okay.
Okay, thanks Jenny, good question, good clarification question. It was very good. Mary and Lynn. Mary next on nightside, we're gonna be able to get you in.
Go ahead, Mary, h good night.
Then, thank you for that opportunity that you've given us today to open, you know, and talk about this. Look, I'm gonna talk to you. I'm an uber driver and I'm gonna talk to you me personally. Look, I just got home. I left home this morning at six o'clock in the morning then and I just got back home. In order for me to make my goal, I have to work twelve to fourteen hours. Okay, okay, what it is.
Let me ask you this, Mirry, if I can, and I don't mean to rush you. You've called in light. I'm so glad you did call in. How do you feel? How are you going to vote as an Uber driver on this question in favorable?
Yes? Yes, we need is an abuse they charging our allergic to a people and giving us thirty percent and forty percent. Sometime. I drove fourteen hours Monday through Saturday and Sunday. I treat myself. I drive a hour in order for me to make money. I done thirty thousand ride with Uban, thirty thousand ride with Uber and a right.
I'm flat out of time, but yours was a great call.
You.
You express yourself really well in the passion. We can hear it and feel it. Thank you for what you do, and please keep listening to Night's Cyber. We'll always be there for you, okay, and.
I love to be a Uber driver.
Okay, all right.
I love you, Mary, I love the people, I love people, and I love my job.
All right, Mary, I gotta let you go because I'll lose my job if I don't, if I don't break time for the news. Thanks Mary, Doug, Okay, have a great night. Thank you, Mary. Kelly. We got about thirty seconds left. I give you a thirty second elevator pitch why people should vote against question three.
Go ahead, Okay.
One of the biggest things that we didn't talk about but Ryan tapped upon is that we want a union. So we're pro union. We're just we're against this particular union because this union. Okay. The creators of this ballot initiative is IDG Independent Drivers Guild. They were set up in twenty sixteen by Uber. They receive large sums of funding from both Uber and Lyft and along with SEIU.
So common sense will say a union must be financially independent of their employer, and this is not the case here when drivers.
It's like the end of the ride here, so I got to stop you. We will talk to someone on the other side of this issue tomorrow night during the nine o'clock hours, during the nine o'clock hour, Kelly, I thank you very much, and we will follow this closely. Thank you very much for joining us.
Thank you for having me on. I appreciate the time.
You're welcome. Here comes the ten o'clock news. This is Nightside with Dan Rabiack. Right on the other Side'm going to be talking with Spencer Kimball about the state of the race. You know what race I'm talking about. He's a poster for Suffolk University.