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Nightcap - NFL Week 2 SNF Reaction

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Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson discuss Deion Sanders and the Colorado Buffaloes hanging on for the win over Colorado State, the Dallas Cowboys beating the New York Jets, Joe Burrow’s continued struggles causing Cincinnati Bengals’ 0-2 start, the Denver Broncos not winning with Russell Wilson, and Stephen A. Smith's beef with Terrell Owens. 

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Speaker 1

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Speaker 2

Crown is yours.

Speaker 1

Hello, everyone, Welcome to another episode of Night Cap with Unk and o Cho. I am Unk, Shannon Sharp, He's my co host, Chad o Cho Senko Johnson, and let's not waste any time. Last night one of the best college games, Ocho, that I've seen in the mary very long time. In state rivals, there was a lot said Jay Norvel took his shot, and you know my mom taught me that when I'm in a room, I don't take I take off my sunglasses, I take off my hat, basically implying or inferring.

Speaker 2

Or you can make reference to that.

Speaker 1

Dione Sanders' mom didn't raise him bright way, but there was a lot to be said, and so we knew the game was gonna be a lot of pushing and the shoving. And I thought they'll let the emotions get get away from them for too long.

Speaker 2

I understand that.

Speaker 1

You know, look, you can't take no shot at my coach, you can't take a shot at my family, because I'm gonna take my shots back at you. And so for me, o Cho, I thought that I thought the coaches, both coaches should have got a hold of their team a lot sooner Thatwithstanding, it was an outstanding ball game.

Speaker 3

What was your takeaway, listen, It was a beautiful ball game. It was a great ball game. Penalties, in fact, are the reason why Colorado didn't win that game, for except for a buck eighty two, if you take away some of those pillars, and it had a little bit more discipline. If the coaching was better, yeah, if you the mom ain't teaching that he would have been even if been able to stand on that hat and glasses comments. But obviously it didn't. It didn't go. It didn't go in

his favor. But that was one hell of a goddamn game. All jokes aside, that was that was a great game, one of the one of the one of the best collegiate games I've seen this year so far.

Speaker 1

Oh, it's the best game I've seen this year thus far, one of the best games that I've seen in a very long time. You know, you say, seventeen pillars for eighteen for one hundred and eighty two yards.

Speaker 2

One of two things is going on here, o Jo.

Speaker 1

Either you're coaching it or you condone it with you at Jay Novel, there's one of coach players take on their coach's attitude. Yeah, so either you coach that or you condone that. There were two cheap shots and it almost put out it put out one of their best players. To put out one of their best players, Travis Hunt. I don't know why that's not a targeting call because the safety waited til his guy got out of the way,

and then Lord a chief shot on Travis Hunter. And then we saw the defensive end Camara basically bear hug after the ball is thrown pin him, so now he can't get his arms out to protect himself and drop all of his body weight on top of them. And j Novela is talking about after the game, well, I don't know how we double them up in penalties because you were playing dump football and he's coaching dump football.

Speaker 3

That wasn't even coaching dumb football. That was it's okay, I'm gonna take that one. That's what that coach said. And now he condoned that. You can tell by the safety's mannerisms after he made the hit. He relaxed, he's not even chilling. He knew it was okay to take that shot, right, and he knew said if you get a flag, don't worry about it. Coach, that one's on me. I guarantee you. You could just tell. You could tell.

Speaker 1

Yeah, they were trying. They were trying to send a message because there were a lot. If I'm not mistaken, I think the Buffaloes were favored by twenty four points. Obviously they didn't win by twenty four and the game was in the ballance. You have eleven point lead in the fourth quarter, and if you play smart football, you play discipline football as you mentioned earlier, you're probably gonna get out of Colorado out to see you out of Boulder with a dub with a dub. And now you

get bragging rights. Now you get to go in front of ESPN, you get to go on your soap box. And you know this is why I take my glasses off. If this had I take my hat off. Now you gotta take your head off, your sunglasses off, with your tail between your leg and going right back up to Fort Collins.

Speaker 2

Call you caught that l shrdor Sanders.

Speaker 1

I don't know if you saw this, O Joe, but I tweeted, I said, you know what, he has a single digit number like Alway. Let's see if he can put a drive together. Make it reference to the drive that Alway had in eighty six in Cleveland. He goes ninety eight yards touch right, they're going to overtime kick the game winning field goal. Shador Sanders goes ninety eight yards touchdown, but he has to go for two. Get the two, and coach Prime did something I don't think

I've ever seen a college coach do. Going in the overtime, win the toss to take the ball. I want to know what I need. Do I need a field goal to win? Do I need to touchdown? Or do I get the touchdown? Do I go for two? He says, you know what, I got a hot quarterback and should do it. I trust you know on money they got in God, I trust. Coach Prime says, with the football game, it should do it. I trust he put the ball in his hands, and he says, I would have put pressure on them.

Speaker 2

I don't want it. Ain't no pressure on us because I got the.

Speaker 1

Best player on both teams teams, and I want him with the ball in his hands.

Speaker 3

Listen when Prime made that decision and take the ball first. That is the ultimate trust in his son, trusting his offense, the ultimate trusting everything that he talks about in believing in everything they have in that locker room. The fact that he did that, which is almost frowned upon as a coach, Yes, always wanted you don't want the ball first.

Speaker 1

Because you're letting them know what they need to do. And plus you give them an opportunity because I also tweeted, I like, I believe they go for two and try to win it here because now you got them on their heels. You just going to touchdown and he didn't do that. So now he left the door open for them to come back and play and to play on. But I'm not so sure in that situation, I really don't have anything to lose because I was expected to lose anyway anyway.

Speaker 2

I think I think I'm going for two, O Joe.

Speaker 1

I don't know how you feel about it, but I think I'm gonna go for two in that situation.

Speaker 3

Yeah, most definitely, most definitely. I'm trying to get up out of there, getting get him up out of it. I don't want no more pressure. I don't want no more pressure on my back, and I'm trying to get up out of there with at w at all costs, going the kitchen sink at them.

Speaker 2

Man, I'm looking at your door.

Speaker 1

And he had a slow start, but he ended the game thirty eight or forty seven, three hundred and forty eight yards, four touchdowns. He did have that pick that krram off if his receipt off the receiver's hands. The question was, Ojoe, is that you heard and I heard all last year. Yeah, he's putting up those numbers, but look at the level of competition he's putting those numbers up against and so now what's your argument.

Speaker 3

There is none, There is nothing, and I will always I will constantly say this. This is a testament to players that feel that they have to be at big power five schools in order to get noticed. If you can play the game, it doesn't matter where you go, they will find you. You could listen, you could be if you was a nun and you was playing with the Sisters of the North at a Catholic church in the North Pole. Yes, and you good. They will find you.

Speaker 2

They will find you.

Speaker 3

Where you go is what you do once you get there. I don't care who you are. You know what understanding. You don't have to go to no school and sit down for three years. You have to go sit down and wait till your senior to play. You can go somewhere and if you really like that, if you really him, let me story when I was in you know, when I was in high school.

Speaker 2

Right.

Speaker 3

Let me tell you something real, real, small, real, real real, just about being in high school. My head coach, you know what my first name was? What I am? You are?

Speaker 2

No?

Speaker 3

No, I am? You know what my last name was?

Speaker 2

What him?

Speaker 3

Yeah? Yeah, it don't matter.

Speaker 2

What ojo they say.

Speaker 3

You didn't start to your Oh Jo, they say you didn't start to your senior year. Don't don't do me like that.

Speaker 2

That doesn't matter. That barbershop, but you know that barbop, I don't know what's true. It was real.

Speaker 3

Don't do me like that. Listen. You know who was on my high school team. You want to listen to me, Dwayne Starks.

Speaker 1

That's why I know you wasn't no dB because see, if you see what you keep telling me. You told me I wanted to be a DV. But this is what I know about what players about athletes free rise to the top. I don't care how crowd of that dB room was. If you like that, guess what I go in there and cleared out.

Speaker 3

Oh no, mister Brown wasn't having that. Mister Brown wasn't having that.

Speaker 2

No, your skills wasn't having that.

Speaker 3

But let's let's get back. Let's get back, let's get back on time.

Speaker 2

But but I'm looking at that.

Speaker 1

But I'm but but that game last night, the Buffalo's had every reason to say, you know what, man, we just don't have it tonight. We had some penalties and costly situations. Uh, how many times did they allow them to run the drag or what we call a shallow cross.

Speaker 2

Oh Joe, oh joe.

Speaker 3

He over and over, and they was in man every time. I'm I to myself, I'm like, where we just goes on?

Speaker 2

Just passed out and pass it off?

Speaker 3

What are we doing? Oh? Who?

Speaker 2

Number?

Speaker 3

I can't even remember number fourteen named. I don't know how many drags he caught.

Speaker 1

And sixteen passes, screams, Uh he caught, he caught, uh sixteen. He had seventeen targets, eighteen targets, caught, sixteen passes.

Speaker 2

But it basically all he was catchup was shallows.

Speaker 3

Yeah, the shallows, over and over and over. And they didn't want to make the adjustments. They didn't want to make the adjustments. But everything panned out the way it was supposed to the way, not the way I thought. Listen, I'm gonna be honest with you and not gonna see him.

Speaker 2

Lie.

Speaker 3

I love Prime to death. I love Prime to death. I thought that was that game was gonna get away from me. Yes, I thought, honestly, I really thought the game was gonna get away from I was rooting.

Speaker 2

I thought he had his guys.

Speaker 1

I thought he had his guys too, am I thought they were too am I thought they were too Yeah.

Speaker 2

Here's the thing.

Speaker 1

You can take something personal but not make it personal, right, And I thought they had started to make it personal. And I thought that they had started to get out of who they were in order to get at them. Once he was able to get them in at halftime, settle them down and let him know he hey, calm down, Calm down. At the end of the day, it's not whether or not a only the twenty four points.

Speaker 2

It matters. The draft came.

Speaker 1

It doesn't matter to us. As long as we win the game. I'm good.

Speaker 3

I believe it.

Speaker 1

I believe in all of your guys. And the one thing I love most about Coach Prime is that good or bad, he's always encouraging his players. He's huggling you. Okay, maybe maybe coaching, because I remember and you grew up. Probably you're a little younger than I am, Ojo, but I remember when coach you used to grab you by your face mask, pull you put your kick butt. Maybe coaching.

Maybe maybe because Coach Prime doesn't do that. He's not coach material because he's so incurencouraging, because he's so loving, So he's so complimentary, and he treats every one of those kids like they're his actual kids, right.

Speaker 3

I mean, Coach Prime is different. Coach Prime is different, is one that the players can relate to. I think a lot of coaches envy that envy that he doesn't have the typical style of saying all the right things are going into your home and having to lie to your family and taking your things just to get you to come there. And once once you get there, they really don't treat you the same. Once they got you in the house, you don't changed all of a sudden.

But Prime is very authentic. He's original, It's the original. One of the things that very many coaches at the collegiate level aren't from day one. They have to be someone that they're not, and I think that that upsets him. Prime. He took the position, one of the most powerful positions in collegiate football that not many of us are afforded the opportunity to do, to lead men, black men, white men, bringing everybody together and changing the program like this, right

the snap of a finger. That's unheard of. Man. You got people tell you got people taking shots at you that have nothing to do with the game of football.

Speaker 1

Nothing said, My blessing ain't got nothing to do with your blessing at all at all.

Speaker 2

How many?

Speaker 1

How many times have we seen Coach Prime give in of you with glasses, with his sunglasses on, with his hat on. It wasn't like he just started this when he did it this week. Oh I'm playing Colorado State. Well let me see if I can get up under their coach's skin by doing an interview like this. He's done this before, so this is not out of character for him.

Speaker 3

He's been doing it since the eighties, the eighties, since the nineties. You know, it's just him. It's it's always been. It's always been him. But the fact that his makeup in DNA isn't similar to theirs. Right, Okay, something may write, Okay, we don't like it.

Speaker 1

Right, they find a reason, you know what I'm most excited about why I wanted him to win. Obviously, I want him to win because I believe in Coach Prime. He's a good friend of mine. But I wanted these naysayers and these haters to wait another week before they got something negative to say.

Speaker 2

That's all That's really the reason, you know.

Speaker 1

I mean, yeah, I wanted coach Prime to go three and oh, but I just wanted the haters to have another week. They got to bite they tongue because you know, as soon as they lose a game, they gonna everybody, they're gonna spill out.

Speaker 3

Yeah they are, they are. And that's that's the part of every Everybody waiting on that downfall. Everybody's waiting on that downfall. And what it makes me, what it makes me think about it, think about some of the best players ever that have done it. You're Tom Brady's, You're Floyd May, Withers, your Serena Williams. Yes, it gets to a point where you're so good at something, you're so good at something, you do it your way. You got people watching and tuning in just to see you fail.

Speaker 2

That's the thing. They're not watching. They're not watching.

Speaker 1

They just want to say, you know what, I was there, or I watched when Floyd got beat I watched when Dion lost your first game, or when Tom Brady. But see, they wanted to be in dramatic fashion. They don't just want you to lose. They wanted Floyd to get knocked out. They didn't want to go to a decision. They wanted to get knocked out. They wanted the Serena to lose in straight sets, six one and six moves, So that's

what's most disappointing. And a lot of people, yeah, yeah, it's something for the other side, but it's a lot of people in our community that's rooting against time, and that's what's most differ you.

Speaker 3

Think, So listen, I listen. I mean you, you would know better than me the landscape for you and your moral compass and your antennac is out there a little bit more than I am. But everybody on my end or we loving it, I'm sure you you probably on the other side of the spectrum. I seeing none of none of us really not root for How could you not? Could you not root for that? Because how could you not root for that? Because it's not your success?

Speaker 1

I want my success, and I am if I'm not successful. When they say misery loves company, why would I want? Why would I cheer for you? When I'm over here sad and I'm disappointed and my life isn't going well. Like the reason why your life isn't going well is because Coach Prime is doing good and bolder. That's that's why your life isn't well. That's why things are not going well for you.

Speaker 3

And that that's what I told That's what I just told you last week. That's what I just told you last week when we just talked a few days ago, not too long ago. If you focus on what's on your plate, if you focus on what you got to eat, and you lock it on what you got to eat, on what you need to do to prepare your meal, and stop worrying about the everybody else's recipe, you gonna be all right. But we always in everybody else's food trying to see what they eating. And you wonder why

I shit, don't taste right. Ain't got no goddamn season of flavor. Yeah, man, don't getting man. It ain't even Sunday. It's Sunday too. Don't don't make me prees today night.

Speaker 1

The Cowboys beat the Jets thirty to ten. I try to tell you, but your head hard, but you're gonna learn sooner or later. Turn the ball over four times, three picks a fumble as dominating as the Cowboys of being. And I think the thing is is that because they've outscored their opponents seventy to ten, seven their off struggles have gone unnoticed. Right They've been in the red zone ten times, they've scored five touchdown, the twenty first in

red zone touchdown percentage. They've had ten drives in the red zone, They've only scored touchdown on five of them. Dak is only responsible for fourteen of those seventy points to touchdown drive.

Speaker 3

So I don't think this is a good a good test or a good testament to who the Jets really are. I do this. This is not a good testament, not at all, because if you're gonna if you're gonna base testing the Jets off a plan against the best, the best right now statistically deef of the team in the NFL, that is unfair. That is justusin.

Speaker 1

I'm not I'm not I'm not basically there. I'm not basically off that. I'm looking at the body of work that Zach Wilson has drawn from me.

Speaker 3

When you talking about the past, man, you talking about the past, theoretically everything resets everything where it's a new season, it's a new spirit.

Speaker 2

Theoretically.

Speaker 1

See you say everything is the past four thirty four twenty five, today is the past. But I'm just talking about what I saw today now, how many games do you think they'll win with that quarterback player like he played?

Speaker 2

Okay?

Speaker 3

Well, one of the things that they don't have to do is they don't have to fix that goddamn Cowboys defense every goddamn week. They don't have to fix that. So I think I think defensively, offensively, they'll be in better situations. You can game plan a little better because other teams are gonna have weaknesses and other things that you can manipulate offensively and help Zach Wilson out being able to put other being able to put. Can you help read thess? Can you help him not throw the

ball to the other team. Let's it's hard to read the defense when number eleven hitting you every time you drop back. Whoa, it's hard. It's hard to read a defense. What about Makai Parson's hitting you up upside the head every player you drop back?

Speaker 2

Hold on, I need to I need a red flag.

Speaker 1

I want to challenge something because when I told you on Monday night about Josh Allen turning the ball over, you say that's a part of the game. Now, all of a sudden, defense ain't a part of the game. The other team not to have not allowed to have a good defense. If we got a crappy quarterback, they need to have a crappy a defense to match our crappy quarterback.

Speaker 3

You know what we're not gonna do is we're not gonna call the quarterback crappy. If you have an engine right, you listen to me. If you have an engine, when you put your key ignition right and you crank the car in order for that engine to work, don't every part inside that engine have to be working in unison right for that? But there we go, so we can't, you know what? And I ad just off, thank you.

Speaker 2

I know how we do? You know what? You know what I do? See you and I come from basically same kind of upbringing.

Speaker 3

You.

Speaker 1

We wait till the car put us downside the road before we get rid of it. Now, if the fail to crank, you had to have your cone boy, your auntie to come pick you up and take you to work.

Speaker 2

You know that cargo put you downside the road? One't they? But you know what you said? Nah, nah, it's I'm good club.

Speaker 1

I can't use spark pro spark plug, automattery, aboded regulatory matter of fact, just for just for context purpose for people watching Honda two thousand and six, and they and when it puts you downside the road, you like, and you they're like, man, that'll like, oh your fake man, I know that. And oh Joe, hey, not everybody about to get our thing and go live if you got you walking side the road, because it's gonna put you down.

Speaker 2

So you're gonna wait till Zach Wilson actually put you down side the road.

Speaker 3

He's not gonna put me down. You understand. Understand the analogy I just use. It's a it's a team game when things go When things go well, most of the time, the quarterback gets the credit. When things don't go well offensively as they did today. Again again you're going against the best defense in the NFL. Like it's not fair. It's really not fair to judge him off of this game today and then being thrown into the fire, and then being thrown into the fire with Anon Rodgers going down.

All I ask from you and the people, the people, the gestination it even you, Shannon, a love patience. It's only week two. I asked you just give me, just give give Zach Wilson another week, another week.

Speaker 2

We're not trying to see that's all.

Speaker 3

That's all I'm teach.

Speaker 2

We're not trying to teach kids how to party over here.

Speaker 3

We're grown ups, were grown ups. I know we've grown. But you have to understand the situation at hand. Understand the situation in hand, have some type of have some type of sympathy and compassion.

Speaker 1

How about this here. You've heard people say this a lot. You can never out exercise a bad diet. No team can overcome bad quarterback play, not in today's game, because they've made it so restrictive. That's why the running back is not as valduated as he once was. Because of what they used to say, bring your run game and your defense and you can go places.

Speaker 2

Well, now they devalued. They put so much.

Speaker 1

Emphasis on Think about it, the defensive receiver, the incidental contact, the holding the quarterback. You basically only hit the quarterback between his letters, his numbers. That's the only target you've got. You can't hit him in his head, you can't hit him below his waist, and you can't touch anything. You cannot protect. You cannot hide him. There used to be a time you could hide your quarterback. I can hide every other player on the offensive side of football. I

can slide the line one way or another. I can leave a back end, the chip his way.

Speaker 3

Through your receivers. You can stack you stack him up. I put him in motion. If they can't get over.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, I cannot hide that quarter I cannot. You can't hide him. Peekaboo, they see you. They're gonna make him play because once upon a time you can make you can make your quarterback a cheerleader. Now they made him a participant in the game. No longer a cheerleader. He's gonna have to get exponentially better. O Joe Gold places Miami. I don't know if you noticed, but Miami looked real good.

Speaker 3

But very good, very good. I think listen, I always, I always believe in tour, and I think for a little bit, is the same way everyone was doubting tour. It's the same way they doing Zach. It's the same way. Oh no, I mean it's it's a little bit different because the supporting cast in Miami is a little bit different than that in New York.

Speaker 1

I'm all, here's the thing, just what kind of and we're gonna talk about since in that a little bit. But Joe Burrow, I'm always a little lary when guys just have that one year. But we saw tour over over over a span play well, we saw Zach Wilson for one year, and it was like the Jets were sold on him, Like they didn't have they had their mind made up.

Speaker 2

Okay, Joe Burrow's going number one.

Speaker 1

They identify Zach Wilson without even looking at any of the other quarterbacks. And he had one year. He had one year, go look at the year before at.

Speaker 3

B y U.

Speaker 2

Right.

Speaker 3

I mean, the talent speaks for herself, because when you turn the film on, that's what it's all about. It's about I mean, obviously scouts what they look at, they do their homework and they see the film, and when you see the film, it jumps out on you. Based on what he said. What jumpsie was his ability to throw the football. He throw the ball on one leg or he's on one knee and throw the ball sixty yards. How many times he gonna do that in the NFL? How many quarters? Not?

Speaker 2

Not?

Speaker 3

Not many? But there are others, there are other variables to him that makes him a special a good quarterback. It just hasn't panned out there. Obviously, he has multiple multiple angles they can throw throw the ball from. And when he was come out in the draft, I called, I said, he is Patrick Mahome.

Speaker 2

Miss.

Speaker 3

I didn't say with Patrick Mahomes, so people don't run with oh I Chad said he was. I said, Patrick mahone, Miss. You know the ability to throw the ball, throw a side arm, throw it over the top. He can throw it with his left and you can do all that, you know, all that pretty stuff too. He just hasn't

been able to do it. I think right now one of the problems playing that god damned New York media can really hurt your confidence having games like having games like today you're throwing, we turn the ball over and one of the picks is the goddamn running back fault. But I'm not gonna get into that because there's no I don't have a presentation to show the people that it ain't always Zach Wilson. That's Messin's not having these mistakes. But who do they blame it on?

Speaker 1

I mean, you know what, Ojo, If I was in the courtroom, I would really like you to be my defense attorney because you're trying to put up a formidable case.

Speaker 3

But I'm not I'm not. I'm not.

Speaker 2

I'm not trying to go I got your video. I got your video.

Speaker 1

I got I got your own video going in the store and coming out with the TV. That's your OO. So I got I got all this film on Zach Wilson, stak it up the joint. I got it, Okayed, what ojo? When you got into the league? What did they tell you that I in the sky don't lie. It doesn't know how much money you make. It doesn't know how fast you are. It doesn't know. It doesn't know if you black. It don't know if you why. It doesn't know anything. All it does is record what its the

It captures whatever it is. Now what has that taped captured?

Speaker 3

You're right, you're right, you're right about that. You're right, you're right, you're right about that. But again, today's game is really is it does? It's just does. No no justice, no justice for that team offensively, no justice for that for the quarterbacks confidence to have to play the best defense in the in the NFL right now at all that that's just unfair, especially coming off what just happened last week.

Speaker 1

What about the Cowboys, because I think the Cowboys offense if going unnoticed because the defense has been sold playing so well, and that you know what things The tides are gonna turn.

Speaker 3

Now, tides are gonna turn when when when when you first start off I still remember this day. Defenses all they gotta do is read and react and just go. They flying to the ball just reading react. Offenses take a little time to jail the chemist.

Speaker 2

Shit build up.

Speaker 3

I say, by the time the cowboy gets about week three or four and all they turning on all cylinders, then you'll see a different ball game. And the good thing about it is and the defense can continue to play well right as you know, the deep and continued to be in that offense start to catch up and the identity is showing on both sides. Man.

Speaker 2

Shit.

Speaker 1

But also we're gonna get four game tapes on that defense, and we're gonna see what they like to consistently run to formations and what they like to do in certain areas of the field. So we're gonna get some more We're gonna get some more intaeil on things that they're doing.

Speaker 2

Right now.

Speaker 1

They're relentless at getting at your quarterback because what they've done is that they're tackling the running back on the way to the quarterback. Dan Quinn said, the hell with the running back the bichel But Diggie Zua, go get d Lost, go get the quarterback. Damn the running We'll let wolf runner. We'll let the other guys work about the running backs attacked the quarterback. Yeah, and that job would have got like twelve thirteen sacks in two.

Speaker 3

Games already, Diggs. The Digs them locking up everything.

Speaker 2

Yeah, because the note ball gotta come out quick. I mean, you gotta do it? Are you doing all?

Speaker 3

You gotta do it? Sit down? You ain't got to move read three steps for what I ain't budgeting, Because let me get that you.

Speaker 1

Got a double, move Diggs. Because Diggs biting everything, he looking, he looking at your cheap picks.

Speaker 3

You ain't even got no no double.

Speaker 2

You got no time, You got no time.

Speaker 1

Uh So the Jets Aaron Rodgers had surgery short laughter doctor Neil Latrosh or the Curling Joe clinic out here. I know doctor Latrosh. I'm not surprised that he did the surgery. He's a world renowned. Top athletes around the world. Come get their knee done repaired by him, get his get their achenes uh. He did what they call a speed bridge, and Rogers is hoping to be able to return during the playoffs, so basically in four months.

Speaker 2

Now.

Speaker 1

I don't like that, especially with the advancement of medicine and the technology that they have.

Speaker 2

These surgeons are great.

Speaker 1

Medicine and technology is great, but to we pushing the upper threshold.

Speaker 3

Hold on, I need to put on a name tag because you just you just call me too.

Speaker 2

Then, I I mean, oh, yoh yo, my bad man.

Speaker 3

You gotta be up here sweating four months, four months, four months?

Speaker 2

Oh Joe is Yeah, that's that.

Speaker 3

That's that's that's unheard of for something that takes what sixth six to eight to recover. That's six eight that's six.

Speaker 2

To nine month injury.

Speaker 1

Easy, easy, because I think you I thank you non weight bearing for at least the first six to eight weeks.

Speaker 3

No, right there, right right, listen. I'm not a I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor. I don't really.

Speaker 2

I mean, where'd you stay at? So pretend to be what right now?

Speaker 3

Pretend to be one. Well, if you're gonna have a surgery, and I'm not sure what a bridge is, but technology actually is at a point in twenty twenty three where it is that advance where him actually coming for the playoffs logically can happen. It can, It can happen, It can happen. But I just that's scary. It's scary that. It's scary with that. You think there are two things you don't play with. There are two things in life

you don't play with them come to playing sports. That scare me, even though I mean, thank god, I've never had those injuries. Your achilles. You don't want to play with that growing you don't want to play with Yeah, you don't want to play with anything.

Speaker 1

So off tissue because move any sudden movement is gonna irritate it.

Speaker 3

You don't know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 1

They said it's an internal brace called and this a speed bridge, so basically it helps. It says the speed bridge protected repair and opened up the possibility of an earlier return.

Speaker 2

That's what I'm reading here in my notes. Four months though, that's that's oh, cho, four months. Here's thinking about it now.

Speaker 1

October, November, December, January, January, that's four months.

Speaker 2

That's four months.

Speaker 3

I don't know. Maybe maybe it's something else going on. We don't know about it. Maybe it's something maybe maybe it's something else, you swapping out, swapping out something and placing something else in there. Man, I don't know what.

Speaker 1

I don't know if they could do that with with the the ki les. Now, I have heard of them using cadavers for acls.

Speaker 2

Now.

Speaker 1

You remember ap came back up in the I think he tore his a cl in December, and he came back and finished about eight yards nine yards short, breaking Ed's record rushing yards in the season. He won the MVP Rush for twenty ninety seven yards on a very bad team. That was I've never seen anything like it, but that was. That was like December January. That's so January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September. That's nine months. You're talking about half the time more.

Speaker 3

Serious injury injury. Yeah, that that that that's that's scary. That's scary to man.

Speaker 1

And he's late thirties, ap Ap probably was in his late twenties.

Speaker 2

Ye when that happen. So you as I mean, you know, you add ten years.

Speaker 3

Does does does age really play a fact when it came through injuries in the healing process though, do you you.

Speaker 1

Have yes, yes, yes, it's a proven fact. Are the longer it takes you to hell, the older you are, longer it takes you to hell.

Speaker 3

Yes, I ain't every really, I ain't never really believe it. Yes, I'm just saying, I just just honestly, just honestly, I've never really believe in that. Everybody's bodies different. Everybody's bodies different they have, everybody's body reacts different to different things. I think people hear faster than others regardless of yes, yes, your DNA is your makeup, and just the way we are.

Speaker 1

I'm not saying I'm not saying, yes, some older people what I'm saying, but we age.

Speaker 2

You know, it takes longer than you remember. How Remember when you first came into the league, you.

Speaker 1

Could play a game that if somebody say, hey, oh Joe, we need you to play a Thursday night game, You're like, man, I ready, Yeah.

Speaker 2

Year five, You're like, no, man, I think I'm gonna push that thing to Sunday.

Speaker 3

And then by the time you got the year eight or nine.

Speaker 1

You're like, yeah, Monday night game would be even better. That body, the recoverability that the body had when.

Speaker 2

We were younger that think, no, don't, don't, don't.

Speaker 3

Function like it once dead Tea, you call me Tea again. But if somebody didn't listen, you just said t you know what you listen. I know you ain't trying to say we look like because I'm I'm I'm I'm handsome, handsl T t O facing the challenge man, that one. You know what it was, because you know what it is. You know that man been trending. That man been trending on my social media, on my time. Listen, I listen, listen, you talk to him. I need you. I talked to him. I talked to him.

Speaker 2

I was gonna reach I was gonna reach out. I was gonna reach out doing tomorrow.

Speaker 3

I talked. I talked to him in length yesterday. I talked to him in length yesterday. I said, T. T told me the issues that that they had. I'm not gonna share mere because that's not the place to share him. I also talk with Stephen A.

Speaker 2

Smith.

Speaker 3

I talked with Steven Ason. I said, Steve Man, listen here, man. I love y'all. I love both of y'all. You man, both of y'all are inspirational and very motivation motivating to me in different ways, in different ways. I look up to y'all in different ways.

Speaker 2

Afar.

Speaker 3

I don't even tell you that all the time. Just know I admire the ship y'all got going on and what y'all done. T been watching ta all my life, stephen A. I've been watching you even when I was playing, and actually couldn't wait to hear you at times. You know this, this ain't. This ain't what y'all need to be doing, not not not not This ain't what y'all need.

Speaker 2

Not us, not us. We did not, not not.

Speaker 3

Us, not giving not giving them something to talk about. Oh hire gods, and again, look at the you.

Speaker 1

That's why we can't have nice things, because y'all gonna tear it up between you.

Speaker 3

I'm not even trying to see it, but I'm trying to find a way. Yea, Let's facilitate each other each other, man, listen and talk about it.

Speaker 1

I'm a firm believer. We can disagree. You got your opinion, I got mine. You see something one way, I see something another way. But for me, if I got something to say, I'm gonna call and you and I gonna discuss it. And it's not gonna be for the world.

Speaker 3

To hear, right right, right right, So.

Speaker 1

That's that's that's just Hey, look, people people attack me all the time because a lot of times, a lot of times here this is what I found out, Ojo. Yes, a lot of times if you can do something that they can do, but they but they can't do what

you do. You see, I sit up here, and I was the first athlete skip Baylor's and Fox gave me an opportunity as an athlete to sit across from a journalist and talk about not only the sport that I played with basketball, baseball, social issues, golf, hockey, whatever the case may be. I was the first athlete to do that full time. Now there are others that have come since me, but now a lot of times people look at me because I didn't come from a journalistic background.

I'm sitting across from a journalist and do and what he does, right, he could never live in my arena. And that breeds envy, that breeds jealousy, that believe, that bleeds.

Speaker 2

A situation where I've got to try.

Speaker 1

To well, I know just as much as you, right, but you know why you why you especially if it's like me and you Why would I?

Speaker 2

Why would I? Why would I feel.

Speaker 1

The need to say, Oh, I'm gonna tell y'all what what Oh Joe really like?

Speaker 2

Behind the scenes? I got this t on Old Joe, and I can't wait to spill it. What even if I knew it, I wouldn't tell it.

Speaker 3

Right And I ain't really got no t because I lived my life publicly. But listen, they need They're both They're both individuals that took different paths and Stephen, they might not have played. He might not have played. Maybe he would have a dreaming plan, but he wasn't able to, so he went a different route. T t did play. You feel Me? But boots of them climb that mountain obstacle in any way. They both made it to the top and the pinnacle of their childhood dreams. Whatever it

may be. There is no reason, there's no reason why they are at that top to be going back and forth to each other when they're the only ones that can hit themselves screaming, because that's where everybody else trying to get to a we all trying to get where y'all at, Oh Joe.

Speaker 1

One climb one side of the mountain, the other climb the other side of the side.

Speaker 3

But they're both at the peak screaming at each other. You you both think about it. You both great at your chosen profession exactly exactly.

Speaker 1

I love you, I love you. Know, I've known I know, I've known too. I've always been a t O supporter, and I thought he got some brad rap, bad brad bad press at times. I think some of the things that he did bring upon himself. I've known stephen A for the better part of a decade, have gotten to know him a little better over the last year, and so I have nothing but love and respect for both guys. But I agree with you. This something that I believe

that we can handle behind closed doors. Yeah, I don't. I don't know what the issues are. I don't really care to know. But I think both of knowing steven A the way I know him, he's done with it.

Speaker 3

Yeah. Yeah, Well, knowing Tea as much as I know t he's done with it. He's done with it.

Speaker 2

You both.

Speaker 3

But I'm glad I had I had to pause for a minute and think about it a little bit because I love him. That's my brother I'm talking about. I'm I love him like ain't nothing none of that. But but I think I talked to him, you know, and I think things are gonna be okay. I want them, too, gentlemen man to sit down and and and hash out their differences and and just just let bygones be bygones and just keep doing what they do and they respect the worlds.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I'm all. I'm all for that, bro, because like I said, I ain't I ain't out here trying to bash. I'm not gonna bash one. Look when I when I when I when I'm on television, Oh I talk about somebody talk about I'm just talking about someone from our community that plays a professional sport. I'm talking about you in that arena. I'm not talking about you personally. I'm not talking about your family. I'm not talking now. If you're getting yourself in trouble, you getna du y, you

do something crazy, I've got to address that. But normally, when I speak, i'm speaking about your performance or like so, and when a lot of times the new telling the truth is labeled hate, it's jealous.

Speaker 2

I'm just telling you that you didn't play well.

Speaker 3

Right and and and that's something that I'm gonna need you and I'm glad. I'm Steve, I'm god damn so, I'm so glad you said that. Now that I'm in that space I have there's one of the few things that that have a hard time doing. If you follow me throughout theirs, if you follow me on Twitter for people that are watching, I have a hard time critiquing people. I have a hard time being critical of people because there is no harsher critic to these athletes that are

playing in those arenas today than themselves. And it to me, I feel it doesn't do them justice or me justice to sit on any platform and say, well, so and so didn't do this based on whatever regard or standard I hold him too, If that makes sense. I have to get a little bit more savvyate it the way you are, or the way stephen A does, to where I can be critical of an athlete's performance without him being upset or be considered. Hayden for that matter.

Speaker 1

Well he's gonna be up first of all. Oh, Joe, let me tell you. Let me tell you what Coach Prime and he and I used to talk all the time. He said, the reason why they get upset with you is that the argument that they used to use is that you didn't play the game, and if you did play the game, you weren't very good. Okay, I'm a three time Super Bowl champ right right right, four time first team All Pro, and I got something. I was

number two hundred and sixty seven. I'm in a room with less than four hundred bus So now what's your argument. You can't say I didn't play because I played fourteen years. You can't say I didn't win anything because I won three chips. You can't say I wasn't that good because

I got a gold jacket. So it cuts a little deeper when I say it, But just take it and says, you know what, instead of saying that man is hating that man got an eye, because I heard he was a student of the game, and I know where he came from and how hard he worked to get the word he got. So instead of taking it as a I'm gonna take it as constructive criticism. Critics this man, this man is trying to give me something that's gonna help me, not hurt me.

Speaker 2

And so if they were to take if they were to look it at.

Speaker 1

That, because you have to understand, they put you up there because you played the game at a high level, and you see the game through a lens that the person at home is watching, so you can offer an insight.

Speaker 2

That's what you're giving.

Speaker 1

If somebody like I'm telling you the coverage that that the defense is in and where the ball should have gone or what the route the receiver should have run, you can't get mad at me because I'm telling you they take it like man, you try and they always hear the thing. Man, you know you bringing a black man down. Bro, I'm not you. Bro, I ain't trying to bring no black man down. All I'm saying is

I'm critiquing your game, right saying in that game. I'm not trying to take away anything that you've done in the in the past. So whatever you've done, the All Pros, the Pro Bowls, the deplete dp O wise, the m v PS, that's yours. But today, Sunday, Monday or Thursday, you didn't play.

Speaker 2

Well, That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3

Okay, I got you, I got That's That's something I have to learn to navigate and get a little bit more comfortable with, get a little bit more comfortable with doing and and and in the right way, because I just you ever have players come up to.

Speaker 1

You, Yes, but you know what, I look the best the thing that they come up A lot of.

Speaker 3

Them like they like they were gonna beat you, They were gonna beat you up. Nona happen.

Speaker 2

We will have a here, We're gonna have a healthy discussion.

Speaker 3

But that ain't going that ain't going down.

Speaker 1

That ain't happen like that. But you know what, you know what they tell me, they'll know what they tell me. Real talk, real talk. They say, man, you hard, yeah, fair, fair, And at the end of the day, that's all that's all I can do. As you get further and further away from the game, you'll have less and less guys that you played with and played against.

Speaker 2

It gets easier.

Speaker 1

But I never had I never had a problem telling the truth because I would tell the truth when I played bad, or I would call up my own teammates when they didn't play good. So for me, just tell the truth. I'm never gonna ask a man more than I'm willing to give.

Speaker 2

So just take it like man, man, shut a shop. Man. I mean, look at what that man accomplished. He must know something.

Speaker 3

Right.

Speaker 1

Accidentally, you can't accidentally, You just don't accidentally and stumble up in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2

You don't follow your way into three Super Bowl O Joe.

Speaker 3

You're right, you're right. We'll shooting mich I ain't got no job. I made my own jacket, So I'm like kind of qualified. I inducted myself.

Speaker 1

But you are qualified because you played the game at a high level.

Speaker 2

You are a student of a game of.

Speaker 3

A good too. Hunh yeah yeah, And because you offered opinion like this is you know what, this is what I saw. It's just unfa me. A territory for me, it's unfa me. I'm just gonna be honest. And you you you you might not have followed me closely throughout my career, but people that do. It's one thing I always do. I'm gonna lift up and pump up any and everybody. If there's something negative going around the individual, who will be the first one on Twitter to find

the littlest positive, the littleist. So just having to critique and analyze anybody and the negative. I know what it's like to have a bad game. I know what it's like the drop of ball, all that matters. I know what it's like. Yes, I've been in my mind. In my mind, I'm thinking, like, who in the fuck I think I am to be not be playing and be criticized and do that our plan that are going through the same thing I went through when I was playing.

That's just it's hard. It's part it's part of the game. But it's it's it's just hard.

Speaker 1

But because you offer a critique of someone, that doesn't mean you're you're you're criticizing him. You're criticizing his performance or the play. But that particularly, they can't separate the two. That's the problem, a problem. So let me ask you a question.

Speaker 2

Who cutting the checks? Draft Kings or they?

Speaker 3

What you mean for me? Yeah, you mean in general?

Speaker 2

You know right now?

Speaker 3

Okay, well it's it's too it's two separate checks being cut. Draft then you know, my old lady cut the check. You know, I'm a stay at home dad. I got a little allowance. What Yeah, that's that's that's another story where when we finished football, we'll get on that. We I gotta I'm want to talk to you real quick. The revisit something back from January, but go ahead, okay, Yeah.

Speaker 1

So that's the that's the thing, and I think ain't once guys understand that because I'm not gonna take a personal shot at you.

Speaker 2

I'm just gonna say, you know, this is what transpired. Blog.

Speaker 1

You shouldn't have let this happen. Okay, you know a zero coverage. Why would you let the guy inside of your DV?

Speaker 2

Okay? You know you see the blitz coming? Okay? Why would you let the guy beat you inside? Okay? You gotta stick with you.

Speaker 1

You gotta be strong with your inside foot because you see the guy it's gonna come inside right right, the guys, if you see that, if I see the safety down, if I see the safety down, where do you think the guy in front of me is going he's gonna cross my face? Because he has because the safety is down. And if you study, take what they're gonna do. Now you know what, O Joe. They get the practice too. Now they gonna give you a look or two that

you haven't studied. But more time than not, they're gonna be true to who they are down in distance area of the field.

Speaker 3

Yep, not not much changes to a game plan or wrinkle here, a wrinkle there. It'd be the same place you watched on film, just different formation and different salad dressing. As I called it.

Speaker 1

But what you're gonna do, You're gonna react improvisation. The really great players have great improvisational skills.

Speaker 3

Think that.

Speaker 1

Well, why'd you do that? I said, because let me tell you what happened. I say, See, when y'all drew them excellent nods on the boards, they didn't move. I knew some game time he was gonna move right right, I.

Speaker 3

Did, right right?

Speaker 1

Oh, I can't. We got to talk about this. Your Bengals, Your Bengals, who they When day go get win? When day Joe Brow, Hey, Joe Burrow not looking good?

Speaker 2

O Joe good? Listen.

Speaker 3

We started owing to last year? He wasn't looking good then either. We started Oh, we started owing to last year. We weren't looking good either. Always ride to the crop. Have you ever made Pillsbury croissants in the oven? Have you ever made them? No? You know how they start out? They start out flat, start out flat, and over time, when you put the oven on three fifty, they started to plump up.

Speaker 1

All I know is a Croissan's gonna start at a pancakes mixed. So all I know is that when yo yo guy came into the season with a calf injury, and he said after the day he aggravated that injury. Now, let me tell you something how my thought process was and when I went Normally, when you limp into the season, you limp out of the season. Isn't that true, Ojo? Normally, when you come into the season with an injury, how

you get healthy? How you get healthy? When you go out there and you got to go out there and practice and you got to play every Sunday.

Speaker 2

So how do you get here healthy?

Speaker 1

Because when you have surgery, when you're a normal person, what you do, Oyo, you have an injury, they give you, they say rest, rest, rest, I compression elevator.

Speaker 2

Now how you do that? In the NFL?

Speaker 3

Listen, this is the NFL, right, yeah, not long, not for long if you don't get it right. But you know, even though it's week two, is it about eighty percent of players that are don healthy? Every everybody ain't fresh. Yeah, that's a part of the game. Everybody ain't fresh. People got hurt in the preseason, people get hurt in practice. Nobody, nobody is one hundred percent and it's only week two. That's a part of the game. It's gonna always be like that. And it's it's going to continue to stay

like that. No matter how much they try to protect the players, You're going to get hurt. You're going to have Nicks and Nick's naxt.

Speaker 2

Yeah, but you don't want that guy to stay hurt, he said.

Speaker 3

Wait, of course, of course you don't want to be hurt. He said. It bothered him a little bit. Did it affect his game play today?

Speaker 1

I don't know. I know he won seven in his first two, in the first two games in his career, he's won in seven.

Speaker 3

We scored three points. Last week, we scored twenty four. We scored twenty four points a day. You see, you see what's direction we're going? Or are you with me? Are you? Are you with me? We didn't win the game.

Speaker 2

But let me ask you, Let me ask you. We're going.

Speaker 1

Let me ask you a question. Does does this offense? How does it look to you? How does he look? How does Jamar Chase look? Do you see the frustration building on Jamar Chase? Okay, it's only we two, it's only we two. We were going to be fine. We are going to be fine.

Speaker 3

Listening, I remember, I remember uh being frustrated two in week two when things weren't going well. But Carson and I I wouldn't getting that ball like I felt I should be getting it. And then listen and then wait, wait a minute. We got about week three. We got about week three, I probably had two after two games, I probably had about forty five yards. I'm mad, I'm upset. I'm side eye and Carson on the sideline. You know, but I ain't saying nothing. You know, I'm not saying that.

We well, we get the week three and then go for one. We get the week four, I go for two sixty?

Speaker 2

What you had a you had a sixty?

Speaker 3

And now what bo You ain't never seen me play? You better google me playing? Yeah, and then it all, it all, it all just started to fall, it all, Just start listen. God got favor on them Bengals. We're gonna be all right, Jamal Chase is gonna have a hell of a season regardless of what's going on right now. Is never how you start. And I know, Jamal, I know you're gonna see this. It's never how you start,

it's how you finish. And I guarantee you this, you will still finish top five and targets and receiving yards when it's all said and done this season, guarantee you.

Speaker 1

And they still got they got the Dolphins, the chiefs Uh package?

Speaker 3

When when? When?

Speaker 1

What was working against you for the division you're owing to in your division?

Speaker 3

Huh?

Speaker 2

Are you o in two in your division?

Speaker 3

Let me talk to you real quick, stay with me, right, it's Sunday, hunh Yeah you know Mary? Yeah, you know what Mary had? But yeah, lamb, Yeah, she had a little lamb.

Speaker 1

You know what you know, you know what they do, the little lambs, lamb chops, lollipops.

Speaker 2

I like my little on the on the rare side. I don't know how you like.

Speaker 3

Your Listen on a serious, on a serious note, we we're gonna get it together for some reason, all serious, all Joe decided on on a serious note, for some reason, the Bengals. We always have a slow start. We always have a start. It's happened now three years in a row with us having a slow start, and these same questions always happened to the media, always wrong with the Bengals, always wrong with Joe Burrow or man, we're gonna be We're gonna be all right, We're gonna be all right.

Speaker 2

What y'all gonna do with that old line.

Speaker 3

The old line has been the same problem. We went to Super Bowl. The old line was the same problem we went to the AFC Championship. If y'all try to the old line, we are gonna be okay, gonna be all right.

Speaker 1

O Joe, you can't keep taking those lists. You see what that you see? You see Andrew? Look they forced Andrew look to retire thirdy not cut that.

Speaker 3

What you're not finna do is say our offensive line as bad as that offensive line and Andrew look had Don't do that. Don't do me like that. Don't do that. The devil, the devil is a.

Speaker 1

Lie because Burrow was so historically great in that playoff run. That man got sacked nineteen times in four games. That's unheard of in a playoff run. He got sacked nine times and still won a game that's unheard of.

Speaker 3

You know, you know it is heard of. That is a testament to how great Joe Burrow is. Yes, yes, how great he is.

Speaker 1

Yes, but you can't consistently overcome poor offensive line play.

Speaker 3

You are right, listen, adjustments will we made. Those adjustments will be made in house.

Speaker 1

I don't think I think he has an opportunity to be his accuracy, his ability to go to football with Higgins and Chase. Yeah, he has a boyd they have. They got a decent running game with mixing, great running game.

Speaker 2

Go ahead, I said, good, So you you you've lost, You've lost, no no confidence in your you? You good?

Speaker 3

I'm good. No, that's see. Sometimes in relationships, right, sometimes in relationships.

Speaker 2

Oh oh, here we go ups.

Speaker 3

And downs, ups and downs, just like they are right now.

Speaker 2

How many ups and how many downs?

Speaker 3

Well, she has only been it's only been two downs. It's only down. It's been two downs. Y'all have had two arguments and looked like you ready jump ship? You read you ready to jump ship? After two arguments? Did she talk about my mama? Because I got to go? She talked about my mama. Granted I got to go. Nah, No, okay, I work it out. I'm working out.

Speaker 2

Well, work it out.

Speaker 3

You can work it out. You can work it out.

Speaker 1

The Broncos they have an eighteen point lead, that were twenty one to three, and we turned this talk about this new culture. You got a coach that's making probably somewhere between eighteen and twenty million dollars. You got a quarterback making a north of forty five million dollars, And.

Speaker 2

I mean, what's going on with you?

Speaker 3

We put up the point? Who put who put up the points?

Speaker 2

Today?

Speaker 1

The Broncos had a twenty one three league out in Arizona. No no, no, no, he was played. They played the Commanders.

Speaker 3

Yeah no, I mean I'm the Commanders. Yeah, yeah, my bad.

Speaker 1

They played the Commanders. Got out to a twenty one three league league. And you know, a couple of turnover, a couple of you know, the quickest way to get yourself out of a game and get the other team back in turn the ball over, give.

Speaker 2

Them the ball?

Speaker 3

Yeah, man, every time?

Speaker 2

What's going over? Russ? What's going on? I like?

Speaker 1

I like Russ's football still number one to him because.

Speaker 3

He promotes nothing else outside of just football. He promotes nothing else. He lives, eats, you know what football always had He's a quarterback. He had no choice.

Speaker 2

But but what happened? Have you seen it?

Speaker 1

I've never seen a guy without an injury look like he looked the last year half, the last part the last part of when he was in Seattle last year. Okay, we're gonna okay, we can blame that on Nathan your Hacket said. Okay, maybe Nathaniel Hacket was over his head, maybe he didn't deserve to be a head coach, but you gotta look at Russ the last the last half of when he was in Seattle, and look at Denver last year.

Speaker 2

Now some made something ain't right.

Speaker 3

Oh Joe, we got it. Nah, I ain't nothing wrong. Ain't nothing rolling them, Ain't nothing rolling them. It's just I think what we have to do is is we have expectations for players. We have expectations for players and partnership. When certain partnerships come together, Oh, we got Sean Payton, we got Russell Wilson. Sean Payton comes in with the

iron fist. That's the way he's gonna rule. So we expect with Sean Payton coming in with the iron fist, telling Russell Wilson, well, this is how things are gonna go. This is the thing that's gonna be, and we're gonna get you back to this way and play football the way I want you to play football as a quarterback of my team. It just it hasn't panned out and the way it should. But is it the time to hit the panic button? In Week two?

Speaker 2

No, No, I just think.

Speaker 1

I think the thing that made Russ's sensational the deep legs, his legs.

Speaker 2

Yeah, the defense and his legs. He can still run like man, I saw them joke. Look, I saw play today.

Speaker 1

Russ would have been out of bounds, grabbed him a cup of water on the posing gate on the sideline, drank it and got back in the game.

Speaker 2

They ran him.

Speaker 3

Down and uh uh and time ran up the clock.

Speaker 2

They had to kill the clock. He's not He's not. He's not. He's not the same.

Speaker 1

And I think I think he's a phenomenal I think he's a phenomenal man. I think he's a phenomenal husband. And I'm just basing that on what I see. I don't know what goes on in that man's household behind closed door. It could all be a lie. I don't believe it is.

Speaker 2

Nah.

Speaker 1

I think that's but I'm not judging him on that. I'm judging him. I believe blue and orange, all that other stuff. He can have thirty three kids. I don't care. Right I need you to.

Speaker 3

Play quarterback, quarterback from my brother at a high level level.

Speaker 1

And right now it's not getting done. Now you've lost your first think about it, o Jo, You've lost your first two games at home.

Speaker 2

You got to go on the road, on the road.

Speaker 3

Yeah yeah, Well listen, if there's one person who's gonna make it happen, you get you're paying one person forty forty what how much Russell making forty what forty forty eight? But what they're paying the coach that is you brought.

Speaker 2

In probably somewhere probably eighteen twenty.

Speaker 3

That magic gonna happen. That that magic is gonna happen. It's gonna happen. It had no choice to It had no choice but to turn around, just based on the work that they put in to this point.

Speaker 1

Man, I'm tired of I'm tired of I'm tired of jumping on everybody else's bandwagon because my team not good and everybody else team in the playoffs in mind not.

Speaker 3

Listen life football ups and downs.

Speaker 1

We just we just had an anniversary, our twenty fifth anniversary with our second super Bowl. Then unfortunately I wasn't able to attend. That's what that's what Bronco fans are used to. They used to winning. We ain't been to the playoffs and says Hammer was the hatchet y'all.

Speaker 3

Just y'all just won a Super Bowl not long ago. Now, come on longer. That wasn't even that long ago. Now, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't don't be selfish. This is what we're used to out y'all. You see this. If you're not, I'm just saying I ain't never had one of them. That's pretty though.

Speaker 1

Well, I help, I helped get three of these. That's what we used to out, y'all. Know what I'm saying, That's what we used to in them.

Speaker 3

I want, I want, I want a few of them on Madden though. I know. Yeah, I'm I'm just I'm just being honest. I wanted to bring one of them to Cincinnati too. I tried, I did everything I could. I mean, that's just what happened. You know how many teams done done, got got one of these. My homeboy got two of these since the Broncos won their last one in fifteen, the Patrick Tampa Yeah, I don't know what you want, Brady. You want Brady to come and play for for Denver.

Speaker 2

I'll take it. Hey, I take it. I'll take it. I'll take it.

Speaker 3

Your answer, your answer is Russell Wilson will always be Russell Wilson.

Speaker 2

Give me Thomas Edward, Patrick Brady Junior.

Speaker 3

Your answer is Russell Wilson.

Speaker 2

Trust me. Listen.

Speaker 3

Okay, what's the question Seuerle's husband. Yes, is that a question you asking? No, I'm telling you that's the answer. Trust me, trust me. Look on, I dropped a little in piece.

Speaker 2

Go ahead, grab it right quick.

Speaker 3

Well, what's the next topic? Uh?

Speaker 1

Did you see uh Gardner Johnson? He came to the game with the ski mask on. I mean he was decked out. He had a back, he had a night little ensemble. He he just like, yeah, man, I'm just gonna wear that.

Speaker 2

He like, man, hey, this thing gonna be like that. He told the.

Speaker 3

Fans that wear masks too.

Speaker 2

Yeah. And then when the Seahawks Beatle, now they got masks on. Listen.

Speaker 3

That's listen, that's that's that's that's that's the that's that's the la, that's the nature of the beast. But again, but listen, this is what I like though. What This is a different Lions team.

Speaker 2

Man, Yeah, for sure. This is a.

Speaker 3

Different Lions team offensively and defensive. This is a different Lions team that I have every year, every year, the same it's always the same teams and contention. And every year there's always one team that comes out the blue and has a phenomenal season and surprises everybody and makes the playoff runt and guess who and guess who that's gonna be this year.

Speaker 2

You like the Lions.

Speaker 3

I like the Lions. I like the Lions. I don't know what the hell Dan Campbell feeding them boys over.

Speaker 2

There, got believe.

Speaker 3

He believing, just like Prime. He got him believing. But not only are they believing, it's showing up on the field of play when you turn on the film, when you watch the games, they competing, They compete with teams normally that they couldn't compete with. And of course people, of course people be like, well, so and so didn't play. That's a part of the game. Injuries is part of the game. Sometimes you're gonna play somebody and they won't have a certain player plan. You still got to go

out there, next man up, next man up. I'm telling you, the Lions got something special going over there, and I don't know what it is, But I like C. J. Gardner man. He leading that defense man with a certain type of attitude. He walked a certain way he talk a certain way, they gonna be all right.

Speaker 1

Well you petty, I mean, did you ever do did you? I mean, I mean you're in the same division as Ray. Ray had the coldest intro in the history of the NFL. Yeah, thing about when you scored a touchdown on the Ravens doing his dance?

Speaker 3

Nah, no, no, because when they made they made fun of me. I think they made for me, and they were still some of the stuff I did, But I never I never mind. I never mocked any of them. I know it's funny, is entertaining and fun. As I was, I was very respectful to my opponents, very respectful, even though I.

Speaker 2

Talked trash you thought, sending them peptal. Yeah.

Speaker 3

But see, the stuff I did wasn't malicious. It was more of an intent to It's time to compete because here I come. But I'm gonna do it in a fun way.

Speaker 2

But here's the thing.

Speaker 1

Intent only matters to you because the difference between manslaughter and murder is intent.

Speaker 3

One is malice, one is accidental. The victim is still dead.

Speaker 1

So whether you intended to be a.

Speaker 2

Thought jolio, he's still just as offended. Right.

Speaker 3

Well, that that ain't I ain't had nothing to do with me, because when it was time to line up, you already knew it was coming. You was finna get that work. You get that, And it's a reason it's you know, it's a reason games are played on Sunday. Huh. Yes, yeah, So I could bless you. You're oh, listen, I wouldn't you know what I would to know?

Speaker 2

I want to know.

Speaker 1

Can you tell the people at home what you were thinking when you try to crack back on ray?

Speaker 2

Oh?

Speaker 3

You try to sneaky, Hey, I try to sneaky. But this is the funny part about it. A lot of people don't. If you if you look at the film right, And this is what people fail to realize. You know, let me talk, let me listen to me. Now, I lie for you before I lie to you. Baby, you know that lie. But go ahead, if you if you look at the film right, if you look at the film and replay it again as I'm going, you'll notice my shoe string on my left shoe is untied. So

when I'm getting ready to go into ray. You understand physics, common sense physics. You learn this when you're in elementary low Man wins. It's about having leverage, right, I ain't had a leverage because my trajectory was thrown off because as all Finna hit Ray boom, I stepped on my shoe string and it caused me to raise up a little bit. And so when I raised up and Ray went through me, I had no leverage to go through him. That's why I fell back. That's that's all.

Speaker 2

Step on his shoe string, you fall down. So I ain't never seen nothing.

Speaker 3

No, no, no, listen, I'm going forward right and you know you got to go through him. Yeah, So I stepped on a shoe string on contact, so it's easy for me to go up that way. That's what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 1

I'm trying to think coming this way, going that way.

Speaker 3

It it ain't about that. It's about this right here. It's about this right here there. A lot of people ain't got this. Oh you can't see my heart. You see my heart. It's about that that that in there. Listen. I played rap for a decade straight, a decade straight, and every time I seen him, I tried to knock his head off. Ask me how many times? I asked me how many times I won?

Speaker 2

None?

Speaker 3

No, don't care. I ain't care. I didn't care. I give you coming back type of person every every day, every day, every day. If I if I seem right now, I'm a running to him again. We ain't got no pass. Run into him every day. I love Ray Man. This is you know, you know a funny story. A lot of people don't know that. A lot of you don't know man. Ray and I this is a funny thing. Man. For ten years straight, before every game, Ray and I read a scripture every every game, even if I was

playing away. I'll never forget. At ten o'clock we always get that Bible. He'll he'll get that scription. We'll read it together before I go out there and play. And the damn is thing, even the games when we would play, the fact that you would sit there and read a scripture with me and talk to me about the man upstairs and then permit to try to hurt me on that field whenever blow. It's mind boggling how the switch just goes completely off and it's about football. Yeah, that's

my dude, Man, that's I love him to death. Man, good good memories, good stories.

Speaker 2

I'm uh, whoa, wha, wha, what what?

Speaker 3

What? What are we going we're going. I'm not finished, because I ain't.

Speaker 1

We we're back tomorrow. No, we gotta double headed tomorrow. We do what you want to talk about, what you want to talk about. We talked about whatever you want.

Speaker 3

You want, you want to save it, No, go ahead. I just I just wanted this. This would be It would be like the extended version for the people at home. Now be talked about. We we all football. Now, we talk about life.

Speaker 2

We we just we talked about like.

Speaker 3

I talked about you a long time ago. You said you didn't have no partner, you you were single. So I found somebody for you. That's what I wanted you to know. I found somebody for you.

Speaker 2

Man, I look desperate. No I'm not.

Speaker 3

I'm not saying you desperate, but you look it.

Speaker 2

I'm thirsty.

Speaker 3

Why ain't saying you're thirsty, But I'm trying to make sure you quenched.

Speaker 2

Nah, Noah, noah.

Speaker 1

If you if you got, if you got anything to do with it, I don't want no parts of it because I already know, I already know you off.

Speaker 3

Some bull dyy No no that listen, listen, you know listen, I'm listen. I want I want you happy and smiling like me. You see I'm smiling. Look, I'm happy. I know you you think you happy?

Speaker 2

You think?

Speaker 3

Listen, God said, when a man findeth a wife, he findeth a good thing.

Speaker 2

You got a.

Speaker 3

Girlfriend, a wife.

Speaker 2

He's a headaches not see.

Speaker 3

That's that's the problem.

Speaker 2

You fight you. No, no, no, no no no.

Speaker 3

I already give your number. I already gave you a number.

Speaker 2

What your number? What did I tell you? What did I tell you?

Speaker 3

What?

Speaker 1

If you date in private, you can break up in private. But if you date publicly, you have to break up publicly.

Speaker 3

If you got the hidder, no, no, if you got the hidder, you ain't not going to get behind her.

Speaker 2

No, don't do that.

Speaker 3

I need if you got the hidder, don't try to get behind her. Don't do that. I need I need you to love her out loud, brother, I need you to professional relations See how this relationship between her and I? Right? Yes, you know, between you and her and that man upstairs?

Speaker 1

Yes, seven, even if I even if y'all don't see he sees Okay, he's omnipotent.

Speaker 3

I want you in a position like our men. I got I got one problem. You know, I found a good I found a good one.

Speaker 2

But I'm having a small issue. What's the issue she talked about?

Speaker 3

We get married next year, right right, that's what you told me. Stay with me, Stay with me, though had the nerve to bring me papers to sign the prenup. Oh yeah, you listen. I'm trying. I see what women. I see that feeling women have because this woman has provided me with the ability to be a stead at home dad. I ain't got to do nothing but take care of the kids, play video games all day. I ain't got to go to work. You know that. You know what that feel like, you know, to have somebody.

The roles are reversed nine. So now I see how women be feeling when they be like going crazy over you. They got when the dudes got money. Oh I get old, booby, I get it. Now you get the chilling. You ain't got to do it?

Speaker 1

Oh yo' I'm a guy, and that's what I tell my my friends and even guys that don't have money.

Speaker 2

Yes, I say, sign, They say, well, Sean, why should I sign a prenup?

Speaker 1

I ain't got nothing, I say, because therefore, when you leave, you take all of your nothing and not half of it. You see, because see what happens in divorce, they take half the money and all the huha. That's not a fair trade off to me.

Speaker 2

Oyo.

Speaker 3

See you hear what you're just saying. That's why I ain't signing nothing, because you like this lifestyle that she has provided me. You know how women are women to fickleed with women to file one day, one day, one day, she gonna love me, she love let me take Let me what happened, what happened with what happened?

Speaker 1

Maybe wake up one day and be like, ojo whatever whatever. Listen, if I had a guy, if I had to married my college if if everything had gone according to plan, I married my college sweetheart. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, I'm worth nine figures.

Speaker 2

Did you did we? Did I lose you? Ojo? Yeah?

Speaker 3

Oh you're back nine?

Speaker 2

Yes I was. I was saying.

Speaker 1

I was saying that if, if, if I was worked, if I worth nine figures and she was with me in college and I get to that number, maybe you take half.

Speaker 3

I appreciate everything. I'm good, but I'm not finna. I'm not finna.

Speaker 1

Let you come in and I'm on standing on top of the mountain, and you ain't help get me there, and you think you're finna get half.

Speaker 2

Oh, that's not gonna happen. That's not gonna happen. That's not gonna happen.

Speaker 3

I like it.

Speaker 2

I like it. Whatever.

Speaker 3

Whatever we said in the prenup. That's why we had a contract. You know, back in the day.

Speaker 2

You know what the contract was, ojo.

Speaker 1

It was a meeting of the minds. Right, I can't Okay, you know what I'm gonna do. I'm give you my calf. You give me some of your your grain, or you give me some of your your your produce. But somehow along the way somebody started backing out, and so now we had to get one of these. We had to get that thing on paper because there was no longer a meeting of the minds. Right, So now I ain't got no problem. I'm I'm a very generous person.

Speaker 2

To a fault.

Speaker 3

You can tell my mom, my sister, my kids. They you know I help my kids.

Speaker 2

I don't do all for them.

Speaker 1

Now, I say, y'all at an age, I paid for you to go get educated, and you can do for yourself.

Speaker 2

But as long as you're doing for yourself, if you need.

Speaker 3

Dad, I'm here.

Speaker 2

I'm not your first choice. I'm your last option because I.

Speaker 1

Sent you to school and I gave you great tools to try to figure it out for yourself before you Now, I'm not gonna let you go under unless you're doing some bullge.

Speaker 2

Eye now, if you can do BULLGEI.

Speaker 3

Yeah, but nah, noah, I'm good on yo, I'm good.

Speaker 2

I'm good. You know I got a guy. But eye old Collbee Snake like.

Speaker 3

No, no, no, no, no, you ain't we gonna do that. We ain't gonna do that. Listen, you done had listen listen, Snake, you would have had you done, had the eye on many for many of year's. You done had your eye on many for many of years, but it hadn't panned out. You need listen, listen, listen. I need you next year. I need a plus one. I need I need you

to stay with this plus one. Listen to me now, I ain't gonna stay you wrong when you get married, Listen when I next I'm trying to I'm trying to get out of sign this prenupt man, because if she leave, I need half. I want I want I want the same lifestyle.

Speaker 2

Man, you got bread. Don't do that on you. I ain't spending that.

Speaker 3

I don't spending it though.

Speaker 2

Who side? Who side you on?

Speaker 3

Man?

Speaker 2

I'm on, I'm on the look.

Speaker 3

I just for me.

Speaker 2

I don't know even like I said, what never we agree to.

Speaker 1

If I say I'm gonna give you, if I will give you fifteen million and the pre en up, take your fifteen and go.

Speaker 2

Okay.

Speaker 1

If I say I'm gonna give you five dollars, take your five dollars and go will I'm gonna be fair. I'm gonna be fair because I think your time and and and having it. Because I'm not an easy person. I'll be the first two minutes. I'm not an easy person to live with or to be.

Speaker 3

That's the that's the problem right there. It all starts with you. It all starts with you. So you talking about what you got your eye on. But we need to work on you.

Speaker 2

So yeah, that's what.

Speaker 3

Let's work on you. I owe you. That's why.

Speaker 1

That's Look, I'm trying I'm right now, right right now, right now, right now. This empire is that I'm trying to I'm trying to assemble.

Speaker 3

Okay, we that's what we we what we I'm trying to assemble with you. You know, I'm trying to assemble the empire. I'm trying to build legos.

Speaker 1

Okay, well, we're gonna do this thing together. And that's what I told you from day one when we sat down to have the conversation.

Speaker 3

That's up. We're gonna get it done.

Speaker 2

But I need that.

Speaker 3

I need that plus one though. Yeah next year, next year in the in the in the Bahamas, and yeah yeah yeah. Her name the play, her name Matilda, So she probably gonna text you tomorrow.

Speaker 2

Bad look here bad. Yeah, Hey, y'all, O your player. He ain't serious ship.

Speaker 3

I told you now, I lie for you before I lie to you, don't.

Speaker 1

Hey, ladies and gentlemen. Sometimes he said he'll he'll lie for me. He wouldn't lie to till me, but sometimes he'd just be lying. He's a chad Ocho Seco Johnson, Shadow Sharp. Thank you for tuning in to another episode of a Nightcap with U and o Jo. We'll see you tomorrow after the doubleheader. Good night, ladies and gentlemen.

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