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love the Charlotte Hornets for some reason. Really, they were a very hot basketball team because they were new I think you know, around the time that we were kids, and they had this hip like logo and everything, like the very mischievous looking hornet. I don't know, those sassy Hornets always that's no good. That was my video game basketball team for some reason. I've never been there. But

Loyalty Sports Loyalty, it's based in nothing. It's uh, well, all their sports teams have really nice colors and like everything gets lit up really pretty in blue when they're having games here, like when they're having a Panther's game or something that's that's the football team. So uh, you know there could be worse colors. Yeah, picking sports allegiances based on color schemes makes more sense to me than picking it based on the place you live, because that's dumb.

I mean, I've been lucky, I think, because most of the places I've ever had any kind of sports allegiance with the reception. I really I can't stand the Iowa colors. Um, what are They're black and yellow? So it's like Steelers colors. Um. It's just like, really it's sort of an ice or. But other than that, most of the sports teams anywhere I've lived I've enjoyed. I like a blue colored team. I like the Seahawks colors a lot of especially once

they got the neon green in the mix. This is a good icebreaker for us to talk about sports logos sport. I have a lot of feelings about it. I enjoyed the Miami Dolphins like era for some reason that color scheme was. I think I like those new wave of color schemes. Test you have any feelings about this at all? I mean no, I'm a Dodger fan, as I feel like has come up on this, uh this podcast. But in general, blue like that kind of like medium tone of blue is a turn off for me for some reason.

Dodger blue, Dodger blue. It's like I've grown fond of it because I like the Dodgers, but I don't like that blue. Molly's shirt right now is like it has more depth, like a darker blue, like a Yankee blue. Well, no, I really don't like the Yankees because I grew up with Red Sox parents, so it's sacrilege. Um. Growing up, I went to a school where our colors were maroon and gray and we were separated into either maroon or

gray teams. And when I first started school, I was like, these are awesome colors, Like I think maroon and gray goes so nicely together and it's like a very kind of fall festive thing. And then I ended up hating the school and hating hating the teams, like both the opposite team and my team. And I was like, you can't just base it on color. The idea that you can brand something with a color or like a couple of colors together so wild. What would your color brand speak? Guys?

I like green and I like it I was a nightcall logo nightcall logo flag. Yeah, the nightcall flag, I would suggest, like a forest green and then nice slate gray or is that weird? Do they play off each other kind of off? I feel like we're going to get really quickly into some like neopaganism, because that's where we all overlap, because like maybe like some oaken branches and the green and brown, green and brown, the forest man coming out to say hello, that's definitely our sigil.

It's the green man um. Barely related to this, by the way, but I have to visit the corrections dust from the night Callers group. Yet again, the waffle house belonging to the South and the waffle house being an icon of a state Southern nous has been proven false. You guys, there's a map, kidding, there's a map with waffle house locations, and it's like, I mean, it's going to replace our mind map with facts Denver, Arizona, Michigan, Arizona. I know, you guys, Michigan too ridiculous, So so we

just we stand corrective. Wait, do you're saying waffle house can get all the way to Arizona but it can't like keep going on the Oregon Trail long enough to get to Los Angeles, where I mean they have like a Canners invade. Guess that doesn't make it a Vegas Frustram. I think it's in Arizona. Nothing means anything. That just yeah, that blows the whole theory. Are anti globalist podcast? I think we've time and again, No, we want waffle house

available to all. I think, yeah, I'm I'm a big fan of you get the thing where where it's good, Like, you get the thing that's good where it's good, Like I don't eat Mexican food if I can't have good Mexican food. I feel like that was the most Midwestern sounding you've ever been. That sounds like the way I would be able to enjoy, like whatever the Midwestern thing is. That's like cereal with mashed potatoes on it, right, and

everyone's like, this is the thing exactly. I've never really had a Beignet before, and I'm like waiting to go to New Orleans to have a Beigner. You know, I'm that's true. That's the best Beigner. There. Used to be a really good Beigner truck in Los Angeles called the beign A truck and it compared to the rest of the beignets in l A was the aske benn It was a different kind of like Test and I have had text conversations that were just about fried dough wonder

what are the best? Because I was going to say I was like, Bennys are great, but like, yeah, the fact that you can't get them here it doesn't like drive me crazy because I'm like, there's other like fried dough things I can have here, not good donuts though. I have to be a realist about the l A Donuts. Donuts sweet guys, too sweet. We need apple fider donuts and you have to drive really far. You guys like those weird dry New England donuts. I love a dried don't.

Well come on, now, come on with coffee. Yeah. First of all, I do not rep for Dunkin Donuts, um. But the thing I liked about Dunkin Donuts on the East Coast is that it was open twenty four hours, which is the number one quality any place can have to me. Um, but it's not very good. I am sorry to the Doe. I have to say, I really I still like that have a fondness for coffee. It makes me nostalgic, but it's like it's it's not objectively good. Um,

Crispy Creme is good. No made Crispy Creme. One day I was just like, I really loved Krispy Creme for a long time. And then there was a day when I just went to the Krispy Creme when they were making the doughnuts, and I sat in my car by the flickering lights of like a best Buy and was like, I'm just gonna eat all these donuts because they're great. And I never had another Crispy Cream again, So I won. You smoked the whole, the whole donut. I did Colorado

Donuts and Eagle Rock. Okay, it is good, it's hot, Yeah, Leslie, they are great and reasonably priced on like some other donut establishments. Yeah, those are pretty good donuts, but they're still not as good as East Coast Donuts. I don't know what you're talking about off of those donuts. Yeah, but I have a weak constitution when it comes to donuts, Like I'm not the biggest fan of donuts in general. I usually only go for a donut if it's like, oh party, Like what other crazy thing could I do.

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What were you going to say on the fried food tip? Oh, well, first of all, if you have any strong opinions, theories, um conspiracy theories about fried food, you should give us a night call at one to four or four six night on the fried food tip. I was just going to say that I was in Key West, Florida this last week long weekend, which is uh. I think I think one of the one of the stronger fried food h cultures I've ever. Did you eat all of the fried things that came out of the sea, I did

not I did not have a confritter. That's like kind of the big local dish there. I've had a conforter before and I didn't need to repeat the experience. You're so gross. I'm sorry. I like, I really like clam cakes, which is basically a conference. I said I was going to get you to talk about clam cakes on the podcast. What happened? It's our fried seafood fritters, another subject we all enjoy talking about, if not eating. Listen, clam cakes are the best, and you don't them and clam chowder

and it's like the salty donut for the sea. But for some reason, conk and clam are our cousins. But they're not more closely related than that. I mean, there's like a textual difference. Yeah, I agree with Emily the conquert or you have it once and you're like, I'm good, that's fine. But we're saying we're like pro other seafood pancakes. Yeah for sure. Yeah, I like seafood pancakes. I like.

I mean, I'm trying not to eat like the foul pods anymore, but I do like too smart Yeah, like octopus pancakes and stuff like that, like it's good, like like like tago yaki, like the I personally don't have a taste for octopus, do you know. I don't need octopus on principle, But I will eat clams for sure. But I eat eel, which is like just as creepy if you no, I don't think eels are as smart. They're not. Yeah, that's true. I'm reading a book actually

right now. Maybe we should have a night called book club about it because it's actually right up our alley. But it's about um octopus's brains, like like their consciousness. Um, and it's really creepy so far. My mom gave it to me for my birthday. Thout out to my mom. I really do like octopus, Like girl, octopus is good, but I don't know it's so much that it's like a huge sacrifice for me to not eat it anymore. But yeah, I didn't actually eat that much through there.

I just watched a lot of people eat fried food. UM. I was in Key West for the Key West Film Festival, which they very kindly brought me down for to be a critic. Uh kind of curating the opening and closing films there with Justin Chang of Um l a times and it was fun. I've never been anywhere like that before in my life, so it was like a very I was just sort of like walking down Duval Street, which is like the main like party street. You've never

been to a party a party city I've never been to. Well, I've never been to New Orleans, as we established, um, and you know, I guess I've been to like party cities before, but not in the South. But it's also like the Keys, which feels like this whole other situation. Somebody described it to me as libertarian New Orleans, which kind of tracked as far as I could tell. But it is the home of the original Margaritaville, so it's got that going for it. And it is the home

of was the one time home of Ernest Hemingway. So I went to go see that asshole's house. Hey, how are the cats. The cats are amazing. I mean, that's the reason to go. I highly recommend they all. Yeah, otherwise known as Hemingway cats. They're all they are all six toad right. Yes, Um, they're not all. Actually they're

not all, but the majority of them are. I guess that's a dominant gene, which feels strange, but they're also so he was given a polydactyl cat um when he was living there with his family, and it was because it's like a good luck thing for sailors, because they're supposed to be for for catching vermin or whatever. The ship cats. There's a Wikipedia article about most famous ship cats because there's a bunch of them from like famous

like British warships and stuff. Did they name them or oh my gosh, share they name them and they take pictures of them with a little like medals and stuff, and it's crazy. Um, it's a good Wikipedia hole. Guys. I like Hemingway too. Wait sorry, you like Hemingway. Well, okay, here's the thing about this tour. Listen, we've all we've

all read some Hemingway in our day. The thing about the tour is that it's like not really aimed at people who have necessarily read Hemingway, but like people who have an idea of like, who is it a lot of hunting trophies. It's like, um, it's less hunting trophies. It's more just like, well, they definitely have some like not lawn jockeys, but that kind of thing U little like like porcelain sculpture type things are explicitly racist. Yeah,

it's a bummer, um. But in the tour is very much like about like like playing up the idea that he's he had these four wives and they were all fighting over him because he was such a manly man. But it also like glides over the fact that he actually had like pretty great taste in women. He's sort of a um caricature or like has gone down in history as being this total you know which's mo. He's a little baby sensitivo. He just loved the cats even

more than the women. And also his mom dressed him as a girl when he was a baby, like you, oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, him and also Charles Bronson like grew up so poor they had to wear their sisters hand me downs. And I think Ernest Hemingway his mom specifically was like, I'm going to make you a pretty girl, baby, And there's pictures of him as a pretty like a little pretty baby. Had a very you know,

good features, delicate features. So that's yeah. He liked he liked a mouthy broad and so do we here on night call. You know what other enjoys the mouthy broad You've Got Mail. It's changing, guys. Let's take it back to ninety eight. Molly, did you have you just seen this movie? Yeah? I just saw You've Got Mail for the first time, and I suggested to You've Got Mail podcast because I was like, isn't it also technically a

Thanksgiving and Christmas movie? It's both. It spanned both. That's that's the way to do it, is like hit them both well. It was one of those ones that opens with people being like, I love fall in New York, and then five minutes later they're like, Christmas tree going up. It's like, is it like Thanksgiving, Christmas? And New Year's? Maybe? I don't even remember if it goes to New Year's. I was rewatching it before I came to the podcast, but I had to cut it off. I saw it

in the theater. They get Mail, They Get Mail. No, I've seen it. I've seen it a few times. It's one of those weird movies for me that I genuinely loved so much, and as time goes on, I love it less. I think most people still love it as much as they did the first time, but for some reason, it's charms have worn thin. Emily tell us about your You've Got mail you in the theater? I definitely, I definitely saw it in theaters, and I think I'm pretty sure I watched it, like we rented it at some

point afterwards. What is the phrase in it that she has about Like, does she have a phrase about like when you meet somebody and like you click or something? I mean that sounds like we could make up a bunch of fake Nora aphronisms about Yeah, it's hard is that Sleepless in Seattle was like right before It's Hard

Time to um? But yeah, I um, I remember I remember Fox Books being the like evil behemoth and at that time, I think it was around that time this eight Okay, Yeah, so my mom was working part time at a UM at a Barnes and Noble and like hated it, and it was at this time, like's if you can imagine a time when Barnes and Noble was seen as this evil encroaching Yeah, that's what the movie

is about. That. It made me remember Tessa's husband also worked at Barnes and Noble, worked at the borders, right, Okay, we all know that chain bookstores were perceived as the ultimate evil until the point when they drove out all the indie bookstores and then themselves got driven out by Amazon, which is the other reason that I'm remembering now is why I wanted to talk about You've Got right. Yeah, it's our window into Amazon. This is our globalization episode apparently, Um,

You've Got Mail. I don't know why I watched it, just because I've never seen it and it was like on HBO, and I was like, You've got Mail. What's funny is that I've seen they came together, which I love and which we all love like a million times, and not parody. It's literally like a scene for scene parody if You've Got Mail, which made You've Got Mail a lot funnier because oh yeah, that's where that comes from. Um,

You've Got Mail has its charms, though. Another dramatic performance from Dave Chappelle Lean Stars Born, which is also just so Dave Chappelle is like such a funny person, and I feel like the casting in this movie is just hilarious. Like Parker Posey is really great because you you know, as with any Parker Posy movie, you're like, I would like to see the movie about this kid exactly, can hear? Yes?

Greg Kennear is amazing with his typewriters. Yeah, yeah, because he's like he's like a journalist or he's writing for some paper and he's like clackity clacking on his typewriter and he's like, she's from the new generation of computer and she's an Apple person. And Tom Hanks's character is

a mechanism. There was like such rampant product placement in this movie obvious, like the war box is like a pivotal character in the movie of like Starbucks, this new thing called star but supposed to like when it was a hipster thing or something, or it was like a iconoclastic thing to have a mat I thought, But also is it supposed to be with Starbucks at that point where we're supposed to acknowledge that it was like a global corporation pushing out all the neighborhood coffee shops. Because

it seems weird, like they just both happen. It's super weird. It makes no sense with the other politics of the movie. The fact that they both are going into Starbucks and talking about how like Starbucks defines us as people. And I'm like, Meg, what do you do know? I thought they were going to have the conversation like on The Sopranos when when Pauli talks about how they stole espresso from the Italians and the Starbucks and they steal all the stuff off the wall at Starbucks. UM. I thought

it was gonna be critical, but it is not. They're just like critical. Oh, I'm a like skinny vanilla latte and you're a hazelnut macchiato kind of guy, and like

that's what we're like. It's also really funny because there was an article and Wired I think like right around the time it came matter, or maybe even just prior to when the movie was released, talking about how the product blazement was so crazy and I guess that Barnes and Noble UM that the producers had gone to Barnes and Noble and been like, hey, can we use you, like, can we take over your location and use it for like Fox and Friends? And they were like, no, is

that what it's called? No Fox and socks? Fox and Friends is a different bookstore. That's bookstore that we don't like. Um, but A O L obviously was you know, used in it. And Apple IBM, like I think Apple went on the record with the Wired um with the Wired writer and they were like, yeah, for sure, like we just gave her a computer. Apparently Meg Ryan didn't have a computer until that movie in real life. And then one eight

hundred Flowers had like you've got male Bouquet. It was just really interesting because like all of these companies were so prominently displayed in this movie about like how companies. Yeah, it's so weird. It's it's a weird movie. It was.

It's like a dot com bubble movie. And it's like the first time that any of these entities like a Flowers or I can't remember dot com showed up and if I wouldn't be surprised if it does, like like would have a chance to be acknowledged in a movie, and it would still be kind of an ad to be. Like now, when movies acknowledge I can't I don't know, it's always so hackneyed now, but if it's something like Snapchat or something, it's always like, oh wow, like they

acknowledged that Snapchat with a thing or Snapchat played. I didn't even realize that there was like Apple product placement in this movie because I was just like an old timey computer computers. It's also really funny because at that point A O L had sort of a monopoly. I mean, it had just pushed out Prodigy a few years before. I think. So it's like A O L is this like monolith, and they're like, look at how it brings people together in this old timey way with it's very

much about like the Internet brings people together. One of the things we always talk about is the idea of like brains and jars, no bodies, just brains floating around

having conversations that lead to love in romance and not fascism. Yeah, but now I feel like a lot of you know, when people talk about you've got mail, everyone kind of acknowledges that it's also like catfishing, you know, so there's this like nefarious No, I mean not really, because they both agree to be anonymous and also said it was catfishing? Is it a cat fishing? Once one of them like one of them, I feel like, wait's way too long to tell the other one that they know who they

really are, doesn't yeh, a really long time. And he's kind of like fox with her and that part is weird. And also you're like, you're going to destroy her business like she should not fall in love with you. Yeah, and he does destroy her business, doesn't he. I feel like I fell asleep towards the end. See that no I did, but I think he does. But it's weird because I found a Reddit thread. But a small group

of people on Reddit and elsewhere we're like. I remember her in the Fox and Son's book store at the end, reading like a children book in a corner of the bookshop that had been dedicated to her, as if it were like her own tiny bookstore. But then people were like, but it's not. I can't find it anywhere. This is what I did, reading a book to kids though at the end of that the little shop around the corner. Yeah, but it's like but apparently people were like, but then

it doesn't end that. I have to watch the end of this movie again now to find out what happens. I think I was such a film snob. I had probably seen the shop around the corner, but was not interested in You've Got Me Al. I definitely didn't see Sleep Was in Seattle until later on. But we are like a pro Nora Ephron for sure. Although singing in this movie, if I have to sing with the piano, I can there's a lot of singing in many of her movies. I think we all like Heartburn probably the most.

Emily you. Oh, I mean I'm not a huge That's okay. Are you a rom com person? I'm not. No, I'm not. What do you Where do you fall on Nancy Myers. I've seen a few of her movies, and you know, I don't think I have any like strong feeling one way or another. I'm not as like like I feel like some people are super into like you know, cozy white women, Christmas stuff, you know, like like I hate love actually, yeah, I don't think my love actually. Oh, Test is making a face. Look I don't I'm not

admitting to Test is making a face. I don't want to talk about it. It's to the point where like there are a lot of things that aren't love actually, but you know, have been art directed to look and

feel like love actually. Well, anything that like purports to show people in love falling in love but feels fake and artificial is like the worst thing I know that you love, like chunking express, which is like a good I like everything without like to strip away all the conversations and you don't want people to have any meat cutes. You just want them to like see each other across the room and like a beautiful cigarette, yeah, and then

be smoking very slowly about them. That. I like that. Also, I never really realized how often Joni Mitchell is referenced in um like warm holiday movies like River River. Yeah, and but also both sides now it's like it's one of those things where Carly Simon also Christmas Nora, Well, Carly Simon, she did the Hartburn soundtrack, right yeah, and that's a good soundtrack, but it's you know, you can't revisit it now to taste it's a taste. Well, that's

the thing. It's a bad soundtrack. But in nineteen everybody has things that are like a like freed sweater that you like to wear, you know, and that are like your own comfort movies that you like to watch over and over again. I think there's like a weird pressure for everyone to have the same comfort movies sometimes. And like if you feel alienated from like you've got mail makes me feel nothing, then everyone's like you're heartless, but it's like no, no, it's just it's just you've got mail.

It's got to punch your buttons. It's gotta Yeah, it's you've got to feel it in your own way and like some movies do that. Can I tell you what I really like as a holiday movie that's not a holiday movie is Adam's Family Values because of the Chippewa that camp chipping a Thanksgiving because it has a Thanksgiving moment, but it's also just like a really good, feels like between seasons movies. Yeah, and it feels like warm Jammie.

Somebody's a movie supposed to take place at the end of summer, I think, or like over summer because they send the kids there at summer camp, but they do a Thanksgiving play but it's fine. But also because of the Adams family, it's never like a warm sum you know. It's like because it's always winter or fall to them. So God is the best in them like five times in theaters, but most are like these are our cozy movies or the family movie, but it's specifically out of

Stately Values. Was like a better The first one is good too, but it's not as good. The second one is better, but yeah, it's the ultimate like nineties sequel actually, because we're all a bunch of Wednesdays exactly yeah, podcast would That's why I saw it. Podcast is like three Wednesdays. I just was tweeting about this. But and this kind of goes hand in hand also with but I met my mom's house in North Carolina, so of course I'm like digging through all I was trying to find my

high school yearbooks. I don't know where they are, but instead I found issue of Premier Magazine from yeah, when Star Wars was about to come out episode one. Sorry, those are like not the new ones at this point anymore at all. Um. I owned a lot of magazines in that era that had like you and McGregor on the cover of them. Oh yeah, no, mine has here

McGregor on it. But there's like just the cringe eest letters to the editor thing because I guess they had had like like Christina Ricci had been on the cover of the last issue, or they all like be my girlfriend, it's so gross my girlfriend, Like men just writing in probably like writing a postcard and putting a stamp on it to talk about how just blatant comments about her body.

It's kind of incredible. It made me realize that like as much as this, like I'm nostalgic for a simpler time and movies and publishing, and yeah, there was a lot of bad stuff and it was like supposedly the best year film, but yeah, I guess who didn't make

a lot of movies women. That's why I like, that's why you've got Meal is tough, is because I remember seeing it and just like being this naive, little like optimistic teen on a date at a movie theater seeing a heartwarming film about a O L And now I'm like, look, everything was bad then, and it's bad now. It's worse now. It was bad then. That's why people like those movies, because that's not what that makes them think about. The nights were so long ago. The nineties were long ago.

But people need to get over the idea that the nineties were like this progressive, amazing were They also weren't Emily's right. They should have known better than to run. Those letters made me think of like all the you know, because I was on like, of course, I was like on eight of cool News and stuff, and those are all dudes like being really disgusting about women constantly, and you know it's uh, it was good and bad. I was also on ant Colony cool News. Yeah, I think

to a large extent. I always just just like people say crazy things online but they don't mean yeah yeah and now because online is not real, it's just a playground for people to be ghosties and just kind of chat with what Your ID can just live in a jar and that will never overflow. Oh, I was just because you were talking about being like a kid going

on a date with you got mail. But I was going to ask you, guys, if you could remember the movie date you ever went on, what movie it was, because I feel like sometimes I can like maybe crossover with uh, your cozy movie Cannon. This is a good question. I went on. It was like not a double date because my friend didn't have a date, so it was like I was on a date with also my friend there. But I don't remember what we saw because I was

in such a panic. But then after that, I saw Bullets over Broadway was like screening at my high school, and I went on a date to see that. Uh, but that maybe doesn't count. It was like at school too, which is just speaks to like how late it was in terms of dating. I'm like, I'll just stay at school for my date, and that's fine. I think I went on on a morphous group date where like nobody was really paired with anybody. It was just like I

like that, like a blob date. Yeah, it's like see what happens guys um And we saw the animal, the Rob Schneider. Oh my god. Uh that's my story. And this was what like seventh grade, No, like ninth maybe when did the It was like whenever the first year Survivor after that, because oh yeah, it's co starred Colleen from Survivor. Oh and she's fantastic. I love her. The movie is about Rob Schneider. He turns into an animal. Remember there are all those Rob Schneider turns into something movies.

Molly is that when you dropped twenty five in quarters on the ground. Oh, it's my favorite thing that's ever happened that Molly had. How much was it was? He was literally like literally in corners that I had in like a bucket. She laid a bucket a track to bring to Westwood to bring to you her date to see the animal. It was a group date. We're also going to go to the record store, so you were going to records with your bucket of gas. All the money I had at all tracks. Why were you collecting

the quarters? I think it was just like every time I got a quarter, I put it in like a bucket there one time, one time, while I was on the phone with Tests, I made them into dominoes, and then I took a picture of it, and the picture was on the wall forever? Was this before? After you dropped every single one on the floor of a movie

theater in Westwood in the middle of a movie. Though those were the same quarters, I'm saying that I brought them to Westwood, just dropped them on the floor, picked them all up, and then used them to buy a CD. I forget what it was. It might have been like the wall. Nice. Okay, it's such a perfect portion. I know I'm doing a great story of sounding like a champion sex have her Molly, when did you start dating? Um?

I arranged these quarters and two dominoes. Nothing happened because I just cared about my quarters and my Pink Floyd double album. I was so obsessed as Molly in high school. I've only gotten more obsessed with her. But when this happened, it was like the pinnacle of me being like Molly's my soul in me. This is amazing. Emily, was your Key West trip kind of like a Key of Florida

big chill for film critics. Um a little bit. There were a lot of film critics there, and we kind of just like hung out a lot of the stuff with stuff we've seen before. But I had to just work so much. I didn't get to do that much. That's why it seems like film festivals always sound like fun, but then everyone's like it's not fun because you're on deadline in a hotel lobby on a laptop for like, I mean, there are works places to just be sitting

around on your computer all day. Agreed to deal, but I was glad that, Like I was glad that David didn't come because they were just betting like me, rushing around even though it wasn't that busy with a film festival. But I don't know, but I did, like rent a bike and I biked down to the southernmost point of the United States. Was this your first like spring Breakers, your first true spring Breakers experience springs? I guess that is like harmony Create was literally there, like he got

some special award for being like a Florida filmmakers. I love Key West. I do. I'm not Florida's is a mixed bag, but Key West, I think is. I mean, you know, it's definitely beautiful. It's definitely like there's chickens everywhere. It's amazing chickens. Chickens live too long? What sorry, it's true. We I mean, we've discussed this before. How like animals have you know, like like the most heartbeats or some Yeah,

they get too many heartbeats. And like, honestly, the more I I for a time considered getting a couple of chickens because I eat a lot of eggs and I like having animals that live in my house, I was like, why not I have a little backyard space. And then the more people I talked to, the more I was like, now I'm not down for like ten years of having a chicken. Because also a friend of mine had a bunch of chickens and two of them were very bonded.

One of them died tragically young, and then the other one wouldn't trust anyone after that and became like a really mean chicken. But because she had suffered the loss of her kind friend, they were like, we're not gonna get rid of her or eat her or re home her or whatever. She's been through enough so they's kept her around. But she's like just a really mean chicken and now she's going to live to be really old. But would you have a tortoise? I have, and I

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I wanted to talk briefly because we're talking about behemoths taking over the little guy. So Amazon is moving into New York. I actually read two opposing views. Justin Davidson at New York Magazine and then the New Yorker had very Justin Davidson at New York Magazine was saying, like, everyone is freaking out, but it's really not that bad. Um. I mean, he still was like, it's not great, but it's not that bad. But then the New Yorker took kind of or dim view. What do you guys think, Oh,

it's bad, it's all bad, bad, um bad. I mean it's interesting because it's actually like the way that this Amazon bid works is so similar to the way that the Olympics. It's this thing of like you know, it's literally it's like the monorail. It's like, you know, they come to every town and they promise all this stuff, and they're like, now have a bidding more for who gets this great thing that's gonna like reinvigorate this economy

that doesn't need it. Um. And then that's the thing is that it's like all these second tier American cities were like prostrating themselves at the feet of just Jeff Bezos to like get these jobs. Put it in put it in Cleveland or whatever, right, or like not even Cleveland, just like some rust belt city that like really actually needs any kind of industry. This is so like it was always going to go to a big city, um, and it's gonna just displace people that live there already.

That's what's going to happen. It's bad. It is so much like the Olympics. Hours after was announced that the bit like it was official and that they were splitting it between Washington and Queens, there were like reports like in the Wall Street Journal of just like people buying condos up just like yeah, in a slight argument when the friend of the pot. I won't name who was like, but it was good for Seattle, and I was like, for who it was not good for Seattle, Like people

that already lived in Seattle. It was like another place

for tech bros to colonize. I think I would wonder what Seattle's like kind of Actually no, I wouldn't, because Seattle is just like laid out in such a way that I think it's easy for it's it's downtown to stay like relatively thriving and be a place with like lots of foot traffic in a place where people like they shown that they're not interested in like investing back into the places like that was the thing that Seattle was that there was like this one percent tax or

something that they wanted to have for the homeless in Seattle, and Jeff Bezos refused it, you know, refused to pay it. And it was like, why would you refuse it? It's like the least you can do is look like you give a fuck. You have so much money. We all know that you have so much money. You don't know what to spend it on. And you're building like a murder house full of like corridors that go nowhere. Because

you're like, what should I even spend it on? Everybody's like spend it on like social issues if you if like like nobody cares if you have money if you're

gonna just I don't know, it's bad. They're just so I mean, it's it's more anecdotal the way that I because I didn't really like I didn't seem like my own property or anything in Seattle, and like I didn't really experience all this in that way, but I just I remember feeling just this market sense of coming back to Seattle after having lived there as a kid, and just like people were just grumpier there and there was just like a I don't know, it just felt like

the vibe was off there. And there are a lot of good things about Seattle, like I do think it does have like it's one of the best cities for just like being out on the town in and walking around in like you can do a lot of stuff. But I thought grumpiness was the vibe and that's why gung. Yeah, but it's like a more San Francisco grumpiness. Like I I every time I would go to San Francisco be so turned off by how stick up there ask people

were like it plays love New York. Then oh yeah, I love New York and we've talked, but um, but the I mean, there was a big homeless problem in Seattle when I was a kid, and and it's still there. It hasn't gone away despite how like rich and thriving or whatever, and putting this in New York finger quotes, you can't see Seattle is like they just you know, it's same as l A. They just shunt the homeless people like throw this out right, like who is it

profitable for? If it's only profitable for the rich people that are already making money, Like why should anyone else care support it? We're not like stoked for people to

like do that. It's also hard when it's like it'll create all of these jobs, when we know that so many of those jobs are not desirable jobs to have and they're not going to be hiring necessarily in Queens like they're they're going to be right next to a housing project, and I I would love to see the numbers on how many unemployed people who live in these housing projects that are right like who could literally probably walk across the street and go to work there because

none of them not have to take the broken subway that they weren't fixed, right, and like none of none of these are structured as being social projects in any way, And I feel like maybe people are finally starting to reject that and to be like, oh I cannot Colin Jos sorry, I just keep like scoffing during this time. Um yeah, like not like smug dick bags for whom it's not going to have any effect anyway. It's like very much the arguments I have with people about the Olympics.

They're like, oh, well, I can't wait to like drive through the city with no traffic and it's like cool. Well, like also, people are going to be arrested so that they can like sweep the streets, you know of like encampments. They're going to do a lot of funked up ship and displace people, and everybody should be outraged about that happening. It's not like Long Island City like needs Amazon. And the New Yorker I thought something that they pointed out.

There's something very unsettling. I think they called it a game show quality of the bidding. Well, that's again like the Olympic, that's the thing, and you know where it all comes from us from the World's Fair, Yes, yeah, which also was like a traveling carnival, and like, well, there's also just the disconnect between elected officials being very enthusiastic about this and then when there's a public outcry, it shows you, you know, how how little we're kind

of understood sometimes by our representatives. I think that in l A that's been very very evident, especially recently with um Garciti not being here very much and really failing to solve you know, these like horrifying critical crises and focusing so much on the Olympics and so much on you know, the kind of quote unquote bigger picture of

his own ambitions. It's tremendously unsettling. There might be benefits to Amazon coming to New York, of course, but they're so outweighed by, you know, the cost that it's like, unless Amazon itself is radically restructured, wouldn't that be nice? I think that that's like the new line is like, well, obviously Amazon is too big to ever go down, so what if we just make it a social life. No.

I liked that you were like, stop using it. Like also, I started to think a lot about the fact that it's named Amazon, and be like, that's so fucked up. I never really thought about it that hard before, but it's so like a gear a the wrath of God like over here to just like pillage the existing environment of like all resources and hopefully die of madness on

like a ship. I remember early on when I started using Amazon, it was like, it's curious that there's no way to make this an appealing shopping experience, Like people don't really talk about much, but it's so unappealing. I also think it's like we all thought we wanted every access to everything all the time, but that's not actually what anyone wants. I've been talking about this a lot recently.

I feel like, in terms of being able to like watch anything at any time, like people like it to be a little curated for them, And that's what people liked about Fast so much. Is it's like here's someone telling you, like what to watch that actually like has

an opinion and can give you good suggestions. But I also understand the necessity of like a lot of people can't just forego Amazon, and I get that, like there are things that I can only get on you know that I I need to rely on it and and I don't That's the thing is, I don't know, just getting obscure things. I mean, especially like there are like medical supplies that are impossible to find and on Amazon

they're like pretty cheap. Like you know, if you have kids, there are certain things that you can only find on Amazon. I also remember my parents like just talking about Christmas shopping for me when I was a kid, and how like they would, you know, months in advance and it was out and oh no and dada. And so there's like a certain amount of the ease being like a real need, and then there's the ease where it just ends up being a ton of stuff and you're part

of this horrible corporation. Do you feel like garbage? I mean, I think that the availability of everything is one thing, and that's kind of you know, maybe a little bit more of a philosophical conundrum, but I think that it's just the it's more the working practices that I yeah, they couldn't look to pay people well and right and and the whole like they're you know, they're really trying to get out completely abusing um any of these career services or usps or anything and just rely solely on

their weird little like totally depressing like uber fleet of drivers whould bring around packages. I mean this was this was actually my last straw with Amazon. Well, and they want to replace those people with robot pots and we all know it right. Well, so it's like this weird holdover where it's like, oh cool, get a job with Amazon where you can like drive your own car and pay for your own gas, go take packages around to people. And you won't even get to keep that job for

probably more than a year or two. But in some weird way, it feels like the beginning of like the factory era. It's like industrialization of just this idea of like giant factories full of people like working in terrible conditions that are like supposed to just be happy to have any job. And then these like robber baron rich guys wearing stupid vests and making flying cars and ship that won't even pay those people a living wage. And we have like a zillion up to Sinclair's you know,

like reporting on this stuff. But you know, I feel like everybody is so so driven by convenience now that you can even read one of those things and recognize that there's bad stuff going on and still not be incentivized enough to change your habits or anything or try

to find alternatives or even just like lesson. My last Amazon purchase was during my wedding, which is of course like the thing where you're trying to just go for convenience and cheapness at all costs because you have to like throw a party for people, like give me those tiny hats. Yeah, well I but yeah that I I had ordered all this like fake greenery that was you know, if you rated well, but was being you know, you know,

obviously shipped from China. From what it's like they all have these really apocalyptic names, all these like Chinese manufactured places. They're kind of like what's the thing where it's like the two words portmanteaus but like a few words you couldn't figure out what what the original words would have been. And they were delivered to my mom's house here in Charlotte, and um, this woman came up and just like like she looked like she was on her way to go

pick up her kids from daycare or something. Um like she had her kids car seat in the back like I've and and seeing one of these um delivery people

before because we don't have them in New York. But I was so immediately started asking her questions and and yeah, she told me like she had to pay for her own milege and everything and um and her own car repairs, like none of that was covered and and and was oftentimes didn't know where to go because she's not you know, a trained delivery person who knows the neighborhood or the city that she's working in. She's just like relying on

Google Maps to figure out everything. And that sounds really dystopian. Yeah, it's super dystopian. I was, you know, I'd read about it, but then I think to like actually talk to somebody who was doing that. Was it really kind of was the last straw for me. So once I was done, you know, being a part of the wedding industrial complex, I I was like, no more Amazon. Yeah, I mean I think I think obviously and that call we endorse

no ethical consumption under capitalism, but sometimes you can't avoid it. Look, I'll be honest with you, I would have quit using Amazon except they discontinued. I can't find my dogs dog food relying on if only pets dot Com had made it, I know, Well, actually I should say, this is not even spa con because we're not running an ad for them today. But bark Box weirdly has uh, the only dog treats my dog has ever liked, which I'm really grateful for us. So maybe I can like find stuff

on bark Box that she'll eat. But she has all these weird allergies. And she had this dog food that was called like Simple Solutions and it had like two things in it, and then the fucking pet stores didn't carry it anymore, and we were getting them to special order, but they'd only special orders. Fascinating Amazon. Here's what I'm going to say, we all need to start making our

own dog food. Yes, yes, in some level, I'm like, wouldn't it be cool if we did know how to do more things ourselves and weren't so reliant on having to buy everything? Well? Hey, speaking of making things yourselves, Oh yeah, A while ago, we wrapped up the saga of a friend of the podcast who had made a morally complicated we g board we job board we g board who knows spirit board Apparently spirit board the term if it's not Brandon. But we have a call that

might solve our woodworkers problem. So we thought we would check in. Hey, my name's Andrew. There is a traveling Museum of the Paranormal. And my understanding is that, um, it's a it's a husband and wife who run it. Um. She is I believe, a medium or some kind of psychic. Um. No, she's a witch. She is like a wicked witch. And he is just like, I don't know, he's a fucking husband whatever. I think he's also like a journalist, but

not whatever. The point is they have a Traveling Museum of the Paranormal UM, and they have all kinds of haunted and cursed projects. So when there is some kind of concern, UM, people can call them uh and come by to take a look figure out what the deal is. So I think that if they were willing to, um, you know, like swing by and potentially pony up a little, that UM traveling the Team of the Paranormal would be a great home for the Murder Board. So I just

wanted to throw that out there. Uh, And also to say that every time you guys say murder Board, I think of the late great NBC sitcom Trial and Error, which was good, and UM, that's all right, thanks. I haven't seen Trial and Error but I've heard some really intense support for trial and error. Now I want to see trial and error. Yeah, it's a parody of the Staircase. Oh is it? And making a murderer? Is it? Yeah,

it's already gone. Their stands to standalone seasons. The first one I think was John liftgow as the accused murderer, and the second one was Christian Chenowes. Awesome. Then they canceled it and people were like, this is a great format. Every season is like a new murder case. Well this is This was a great night call because now we have a potential topic for the future, which is trial and error, as well as a solution to the murder

board problem. I had heard about the museum, the Traveling Museum of the Paranormal, from another podcast I went on called Bizarre States. I think they had done something with them, but seems seems like a great idea, seems like a I think this is I think it solves it. I think that's like this was all meant to be, because that would be the perfect ending to this story. Yeah. Yeah, this also seems like the more wholesome of the paranormal museums.

I looked into some of them, there are a bunch of like that Black Mirror episode, the Black Museum with the creepy artifacts. There are a bunch of museums like that. It turns out, um one of them is here is called the Museum of Death, and we've talked about that. Yeah, but there's one in Las Vegas also that's like a museum of the haunted, and it has apparently the world's most haunted box that is called the Diibic Box. Oh. Yeah, it was the story that post Malone touched it. Yes, no,

I I got so deep and then got haunted. Yeah, because then a bunch of backs. When was that when the plane thing happened? This five bad things happened to him? Right afterwards there was the planet plane crash. Did he touch it at the museum or did it end up in the museum After he touched it at the museum, he went to the museum. The guy who runs that museum is a real like mystery the pickup artist kind of looking magician guy who's like Vegas, Yeah, very Vegas.

And he like brought post Malone there on a tour and totalone touched it and then he had like almost a car accident. The plane accident. Don't touch haunted boxing. Give them to the traveling museums instead. Let the professionals handle it. Donate them to an educational institution. Here we go, you guys. I think that's all we have time for today. As crazy as that is. Well, we got a lot of mail to You've got You've got male WHOA that was amazing? Than you can do it again? Got mail.

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