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podcast garage, a classic classic Mark Marin style, a tradition. Um. But Test warned me before we went in here. She was like, yeah, everything's fine, except there's like a fencing dummy in there that might scare you. Wait, is this a different garage than you guys are Usually we're usually in a house, and this week we're in a garage. It's my garage and it's not a podcast garage, Okay, it's it's a garage that I cannot get my car into because I have a long, narrow driveway and it's scary.

So it became like a repository something room. It's abby hole, a hobby hole. At some point it was determined, not by me, that it needed a dummy for fencing practice, made out of like a coat rack covered with like a super scary sheet and some batting and it's just

kind of right behind us. When test set a fencing dummy, I was like, I don't know what that means, but I was picturing like a crash test dummy, which would also be but this is literally it's just like a human form, like a dressmaker's form, just like covered in like a mummy sheet and wrapped so it looks like somebody. It looks like a dead body, dead body standing up. What who was Peter? I mean nex fencer is an ex fencer. Wow, I didn't know that. He parried his

way into her heart. And then he was like, you know, I think I'm gonna do like an art project and create and I was just like, not in my house, not in the house, get it out of the house. He was like, garage it is. It's on a Christmas tree stand. I'm going to take a picture of it. Um. But even scarier maybe than the form of the body is there's like a hand sticking up behind it. That's a glove. I didn't notice. So it looks like there's like a hand reaching out of the couch a little bit,

which adds to the spookiness. This would be very spooky at night if you were alone. Yeah, that's like a kind of form that seems benign during the day, and then when it's silhouetted at night, it just looks like a person the day. It's terrifying during the day. We're in here right now, and it's a little I'm not Joanna Gain, It's okay, I didn't not design this space. Well, where's the ship lab? Where's the ship? Honestly, it would be fun now that I'm in here for the first

time in a long time. It is a long story why we're in the garage. It's very spacious, though, I was gonna you know, this isn't like full of stuff. There's like it's like a room, an empty room with a body, and you're welcome. I think it might be an escape room. It's yeah, come and leave for free unless you cross me, and then we'll see and we'll see where we are. So we test garage. So we wanted to follow up real quick um with some feedback that we got from a nightcall. A couple episodes ago

at this point. The call that we got about the phone call, um a call about a call, the one that had the ice cream truck music and the little voice that said hello Hello, which sounded really um. Yeah, I think that gave us all recent a recent episode, but already a classic A nightcall, classic ice cream truck wow. Um. When I was in New York, I heard so many ice cream trucks and I thought about it every time. Did you make any calls? Molly? Did? Know? I should?

That was a ripe opportunity. Didn't occur to me to call any of you and ambiently leave terrifying ice cream truck music, because but if you picked up and you'd be like, why are you calling me? Molly? Molly? Um? So yeah. A lot of our listeners told us to check out a reply All episode that was pertinent to this. This particular scam Um summarized, Yeah, so the collar on reply All had had an issue that it sounded similar.

I'd be interested to hear from all our collar if her story at all overlaps with this, because the main difference for the caller and reply All is that she was getting a bunch of calls and they were on a toll free line at her office, so it wasn't a cell phone, which I believe our listener had called had gotten the call on a cell phone, because I think she I remember her saying that she had been in the car with friends when she decided to answer it.

But um so this person on reply all had gotten a series of calls that she started recording, um because they were these they just sounded like they were coming from all these different places. They almost sounded like field recordings of different spots, and they play them on the show and it is kind of eerie, Like there's one, there's a series of ones that are like at a

basketball game with a kid talking. There's some stuff that's like seems to be out in a field and you can hear something that sounds like a um like us an arraid siren or something going off. It's just really kind of eerie stuff that feels kind of creepy pasta ish or something like just this sort of unexplainable uh kinda I don't know, like found art type or something. Um So, she she called and was asking about it.

So they investigated and um the thing that they kind of figured it was, and they like went all the way to like talking to an FBI agent who had been assigned to this case, UM is that it's a form of phone fraud. But that only applies, I think with the UM the toll free number, because like these people will put all these calls into these UM like just kind of create a bot essentially that that sends all these calls to these toll free lines and then gets UM like has at one point along the chain

of towers and carriers. They get a kick back for that call being sent through. So the longer you can keep the person on the line, which was the reason for like the weird recording, and have a longer call, even if it means just like making it a minute as opposed to thirty seconds. That all adds up to being, you know, quite a bit of money potentially. I want

to know how much money that really is exactly? Well, yeah, I mean they were they enough for the FBI to get involved, because I think the phone fraud is fairly common, but it's not something that's reported a lot because it's kind of opaque and boring. But I think a lot of UM like there's stuff where UM podcasts the phone fraud scam. They keep you on the line as long

as like three hour podcasts. Yes, Um, I I think, well, there are some cases of um of people doing uh doing a phone fraud to fund terrorism because you can just like do all these junk calls, but if you get a kick back from the carrier, then it can

like totally add up. So um yeah. So this was this was their theory about it, and they they more or less solved it on on the show, even though the lady still was getting calls, and one of the guys who was involved in figuring out what was going on said that there are so few people who would know how to do this or have the like time like He's like, this person has to be retired if they're doing this, and probably worked in the telecom industry because they know what you know, and yeah yeah, so

so they're like he was like, there's like five people in the world and I've probably talked to them, like who do this? Um, it was a very interesting that's interesting. I wonder if that is what this is part of or if it's its own thing, because my my immediate response to that was that if you're going to call somebody and you're trying to get them to stay on the line and you do something creepy, and then you keep calling back and it's like the same creepy thing

over and over again, such as an ice cream truck. Uh, my response would be like hang up immediately the next time they called, I wouldn't be like, I'm going to stay on the line longer to see if like more context reveals itself. The thing about the field recordings makes more sense because it's like you would stay on the line to try to gather protext, you know, is that also why tell? I mean, this is maybe stupid, but is that why there you'll often receive like telemarketing phone

calls with like such long lag. Yeah, definitely, that's why people in telemarketing take a really long time to like introduce themselves and say what they're doing. And sometimes I'll stay on the line with them because I'm like, I know you're getting paid longer than Yeah. Is that why they have the lag? I thought that was just because the calling machine had to have was taking time to connect them. I thought it was just to make the whole experience longer because because that lag is bad, because

because most people hang up, just hang up. Yeah, I always talked to the telemarketers. I'm always trying to get them to break the break the facade and like tell me some personal detail about themselves. I do that occasionally, but I you have to really catch me in the right mood for me to stick around. I mean it's that I never begrudged the person who's calling. I always feel bad for them. It's just like I don't have time to have this conversation right now. Hey, guys, Mother's

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Flowers dot com and use the code nightcall. Did you guys call into any weird eight hundred numbers or anything? When like a kid like call a hotline? Oh, I called hotlines. I feel like I called love line. Probably really, I mean not, that's not yeah, I mean I think I did. Like you calls on the phone, Did you have a problem or you just wanted to call to see what happened? I just wanted to say what's up?

I mean, I just have this memory of, like, you know, if there was a number to call, calling it kind of And I also tend to stay on with telemarketers. Although the Windows PC there's a virus on your Windows computer, it's gone. Every time I've had a real engagement, I get so sad about that scam. What are you talking about? I have a landline, so I get like a lot

of telemarketing calls. And there's this one scam where people's you know, you're called by a supposed technician who says that there's a problem that you have, like a virus on your Windows computer, which of course the likelihood of you having is not. You know, a lot of these are targeted, well, these are targeted at older people. And then they can kind of block you out of your computer remotely if you have you know. So yeah, that's interesting.

But also I feel like the people who get into those scams sometimes it's because they're lonely and they're like, somebody called me. Oh, I mean, I don't know it kind of praise on this boomer fear of like, you know, the like computer vibe. I growing up, my dad was so preoccupied with computer virus. Our listeners about your nightmare. Oh well, this is off topic because it's not related to fear and terror and nighttime. It's so over the weekend. I took a nap. I feel pretty guilty about it.

I don't often you always feel really bad about it. I took a nap, and of course I don't know why I should have been doing other stuff. I took a nap um and of course because it was a nap, I had a nightmare, like a terrible nightmare, and I only it was so brief that I only really remember the point just before I woke up, where I had my computer in my lab and blood just started gushing out of all of the courts. It was the most terrifying nightmare I've ever had. Like it was a very

it was awful. I was like, you saved that for your Stephen King novels. Yeah, BE'TI ful? Scary image it was, and I like I woke up and I was like, what would I do if that happened? Like would I take it to the Genius Bar? Like I know it would be somehow my fault, Like the blood was like my fault. I just was watching the original it the TV movie one was so good. It is not good. I'm sorry. We were talking about the Harry Anderson. Yeah,

oh my god. I watched it semi recently. I found it to be like all borderline unwatchable, but you know, it's so good, you're crazy. I also liked the stand TV movie. Um, yeah, me too. I love all the Stephen King TV movies. Team Stephen King TV movies on the West Coast over here, all right, But I was just gonna say the part in it when Beverly is in the bathroom and the like balloon starts just like a balloon starts inflating out of the sink and then it just like pops and it's full of blood. Yeah,

super scary. Also, we were watching it and my boyfriend was like, wait, is this about puberty could be? Did you see the new It? Uh? No, I did not. Actually they do that scene. The version of that scene that's in the new one, I think is pretty great. Uh it's you like the new It more than the original It. It's a more competent movie. I would say, Yeah, I mean I don't love it, but it's like there's some scary stuff in it. Yeah, what I said, Oh man,

I'm just I'm riding for the original. Emily. How old were you when you saw the original It? Oh? I didn't see it until I was at an adult. I mean there's the thing. Yeah, um, that would be it. I saw it as an adult and a person who writes about movies. So yeah, Like, all I'm saying is if you saw Tim Curry as that clown, if you like, turn the corner out of the Audio Boom office in a moment and you see Tim Curry at that clown in Times Square. Oh yeah, no, he's he's great, and

he's he's better than um, what's his face? The Scars guard brother? Who's who's um Pennywise Elizabethan Rough? Yeah, um, fancy clown. That's how you do. That's what I thought was so funny. I was like, for the gritty reboot, they gave him like an old timey, doesn't he have? He had like a frilly thing going on in the made it more Victorians. It's like one of those stiff collars. It's like, yeah, so it's more baroque, say a little a tad steampunk, speaking of things that belonged to a

certain time. Emily wrote a really, really, really great piece on Vulture about E d M music and the recession. I highly recommend you check it out. So, Emily, did you want to talk about more about that? Yeah, so, yeah, VICI passed away. I think it was a Thursday. It was Thursday night and he was twenty eight years old. But um, I think I that was when I saw that that had happened. That was there are very few deaths now, and it feels like there's another death every

every week. But that was one where I like, I like like held out my computer like it was on fire. It was like what, because I mean, yes, he's very young, but it also just felt like, um, I don't know. There it kind of felt like, uh, an end of an era in a way. And I texted you guys and Molly sent back the picture of from from Boogie Nights where they have the Goodbye to the seventies Welcome

eighties banner. Um, and that is definitely what this feels like. Um. And I and morbidly I was telling Sam, my coworker on Slacker, was just like I was like, just for writerally purposes, because I've always just been interested in writing and thinking about a d M. Uh, and it feels very much like it felt like it's on the downswing for many years now, and I was always kind of having my antenna out for the thing that would make it feel like it was over, like you know, some

big club closing in Vegas, or or you know, some drastic change to the lineup at Coachella or something like that. And uh, and this, you know, kind of undoubtedly felt like it was it. But it was certainly not what I ever would have wanted to have happened or or

predicted or anything. So it was really shocking. Um. I thought maybe the early I thought the first end of d M was when people died on the hard Fest boat, when that girl disappeared, you know, And then you realize it happens that every festival, all one of the big things was when they moved Electric Daisy Carnival from a late of Vegas. Um. And part of the reason they moved it was because they were like, too many underaged

kids are going right at the colasum huh. And some of these raves that they do in like these giant indoor arenas. I find that like that seems like the worst possible to go to a raven. Uh. But yeah, this obviously retired from performing a couple of years ago. He had he had such bad issues with I think drinking mostly. He said he had UM, he had his like pancreas removed or something, and pink he had pancreatitis.

He was just having really really bad health problems and he yeah, he was like maybe we'll come back when I'm sixty. Yeah. People, somebody was saying, like, now this turns uh. I took a pill and abisa into like Hotel California that J Brooks. Yeah, No, it was it was it was candle in the wind. It was candle in the wind. Yeah. I know, but we respect you know, we can just transpose it onto music that you like. You can transpose it. Um. I was always trying to

get you to do a column called Eat Emily. Yeah, well I always wanted it was one of these things I always wanted to write about, and it was kind of hard to like pitch in a convincing way like why I thought it was interesting and like a handful of us that like like the d M and we talk about it, um. But you know, it's very much like the way that it was talked about. I feel like it was always like hair metal where ye um.

You know, there's obviously a lot of problems with the d UM in terms of like what kinds of DJ has become the biggest DJs in the world, and the fact that they were all straight white guys, um, you know, especially because dance music culture comes so much out of queerness and uh non whiteness, and the fact that all these big DJs were like Calvin Harris, you know, a VICI diplo, Like all these guys are the same kind

of guy. Um. And you know, just sort of the advent of like brow step and dance music becoming just browy in a certain way. Um. Yeah, it became this thing where it was like fat guys wanted to go essentially to the disco, which felt like an interest in her ecstasy. Yeah yeah, I mean that's what I like about the movie Saturday Night Fever is it's about like the end of disco when it is like meatheads in the suburbs, you know, just using it to pick up women.

Going off of that, like, I was looking at some old blog posts I had written, and like it's and I was pointing this out at the time, and in retrospect it feels even more soon that like Jersey Shore was a great harbinger of e M because of yeah, it was about house music in in the Bridge and

tunnel house music. Yeah yeah. I mean I argue with my boyfriend a lot about Saturday Night Fever because I'm always like, it's such a great movie and he's like, it's a bad disco movie, which is true, you know, and the person who wrote it was actually writing about up the mod scene and just like transposible to details to be about disco. And I'm like, that's what's good about it. It It doesn't matter what the scene. But he's he's very firm of like, yeah, but there are no

good disco movies. There's no movie about like Paradise Garage. There's like fifty four and and just like why it's so hard for people to make a good artifact about uh dance music culture. And a lot of the best things are documentaries, right, I mean down for any old a d M documentary, not the one there was one that was about like everyone going to a festival uh and I can't remember even what the festival was, but it was like just like a infomercial for the festival.

But it was actually really interesting. There is one wa um, there's one people from all over the world going to a festival and like following their stories. Well they did do it. Um. They did an e d C documentary a few years ago that was like because they do like a kind of big like Victory lap clip every year for a d C in Vegas where they show everything. But then they did an actual feature length I think I think it was because I think it was the

year that I was out there. Um and yeah, and it is just an ad for I mean like the Swedish House Mafia documentary, which I always recommend to anybody because it's like so it really especially in light of of Vici's death, like I think really sheds of pretty uh like unflattering light not on them, accidental spinal tap yeah, because it's like the people around them, you know, like when you see what it's like, it's a lot actually, like have you guys ever seen Cocksucker Blues the Rolling

Stones documentary. You're like, I'm not supposed to see it's so good because it's just like really depressing. It's like the height of the Rolling Stones, like Glamour and Coke Years, and it's just like these super sad hangers on and all these junkies following Keith Richards round, and it just like makes being backstage and like just anyone who's not the Rolling Stones and even the Rolling Stones because you're

like everyone's trying to get something from them. It just feels so gross and like really demathologizes it because you're like, oh, this would be like a horrible environment to be in every day of your life. And with these DJs, especially like a lot of them, you know, end up getting sober because like to just be in the club every night,

you cannot be getting sucked up every night. And even though that's like what the crowd might be there for, you know, is to like have their party their brains out, it's like it's you're at work, Yeah, you're in your office. I mean that's the thing. Like they all are like we don't drink or like we don't do drugs or anything. And like first you're like, yeah, right, you're saying that because you're in this documentary and you want to look at But then you watch it and you're like, actually, no,

I believe you, and I understand why you wouldn't. Like it just makes a lot of sense. Yeah. I profiled Martin Garrick's when I was at MTV, who's like a young Dutch super world star world Star or superstar dj UM and yeah, I mean his just his schedule was like so incredibly regimented, and he had just like a lot of handlers who were like, you know whose job it is to like wake him up and making sure

he goes to the next place. But it's also like like I ended up feeling a weird kind of empathy for him because I was like, even though this is like the greatest life and he's living his dream, he has like all these people on his payroll where like he can't get sick or funk up or like their you know, their days fucked, and he like has to just be in like a different he has to be like Vegas and then like you know, Antwerp the next

day and like Tokyo. I think that Martin Garrix's career also it's like totally um follows the model of the Vichy career where it's like he had the one song. He had the one really just like kind of culture not to the degree of levels, but like the song

that was a lot of places. Yeah, animals, and like my argument for like why that was great also was I was just like, how often do you hear install metals become like a big song, you know, even though instrumentals are so much a part of like d M, it's like very rare for an instrumental song to become a radio hit for whatever dumb reason. Um. Yeah, And you know, I definitely have a weakness for like d M and big room techno and super clubs and all that stuff. Yeah, I've talked about like when I went

to see Martin Garrix. We went to like Caesar's Palace to the super club and went in through the back entrance, you know, and it was awesome. And then you know, I was like, oh, this is this is good, Like I am not too jaded for this ever. Um, well, I mean I think that it's it's a weird um. I mean I I wrote about this somewhat in the article, but like I think that I think the levels was sort of the one that broke it. But this whole

kind of um post recession. Uh, like people like us, who I don't think that maybe prior to that, I don't think either of us would have necessarily been like, oh, we're gonna like Lee, you know, be glamorized by Vegas superclubs and like think that that's the coolest thing, and actually like forget about it. Tell me something. We bonded over it greatly. Yeah, we're the ones who we both

like Las Vegas and like glitter. Yeah. But I feel like the whole Vegas boom around that and the whole culture and how it the way it just became the part of the fabric of just like capitalist culture, just like that there's a dubstep drop in like a Macy's Thanksgiving Day sale ad or something like that. You know, it just became the texture of everything and came to signify like party, yeah, or like yeah, just some I

I don't know. I feel like I could spend the next five years just trying to dissect what what it's signified. But it didn't feel so processional. Music has changed. I was just listening to Jonesy's jukebox on the way over, as I often am, and like sometimes when I'm listening to Jonesy's jukebox and I'm like, you know, they're playing all the classic rock, I'm just like rock music is kind of over, like it's been over for play some

weird stuff. He does give a lot of weird stuff, but I'm like, I like this music, but also like, does it sound like ragtime? Well, it's like jazz, dusty dusty music. Yeah, it is like jazz. It's like a specialty form. Uh. And it does feel like in order for a band to like the next really big band, I don't know, maybe we're going back to like DJs and bands going back to rap rock. Yeah, I mean now Ben just shook his head. Um, I mean a

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wherever you listen to your podcasts now. They're are like parents, especially like Brooklyn parents will send their kids to go to rock school in the way that I feel like we like our parents would encourage us to do jazz, Like I didn't do jazz, but like I know a lot of kids that I went high school with. It's like, oh, you like play the trombone and then you joining the jaz as like group at school or something. It's like became a part of your formalized education instead of something

cool that you did when you weren't at school. And I feel like that's sort of where because rock still has that, like that theme of rock is that it's like, you know, for the kids, like breaking away, you know, yeah, it's I don't know, although I've been arguing with people online about the band Greta van Fleet. Have you guys heard them? They're like a bunch of twenty year olds and they just sound exactly like led Zeppelin. And then there was a something with Robert Plant where he's like,

I know where we got that voice. He took it from me. Yeah, But Justin Bieber's been posting about them a lot like Greta Van Fleet, but it's like it does feel almost like it's like rock seventies rock cosplay rather than like and it does feel like the last iteration of rock that we even really got, which was the you know, the New York uh meet me in the Bathroom stuff, was also very like cosplay e reference to end in like you know, we're a shitty gang

of four bands. I appreciated that E d M because so much of that I was so like not into the Strokes Wave stuff, I think because so much of it was about like rich people posturing that they have no money. Um, and E d M is like the opposite, because it's like not rich people posturing that they're incredibly wealthy for like one night. You know. It's like you save up all your money and you go to the club and get bottle service. Um. Although we did a

little bit see the dark side of it at Hakkasan recently. Yeah, yeah, the the completely mobbed version of it. I mean I didn't actually go to a club at in Vegas until I was there to like, right, I never went um for fun. When I went with you guys, that was the first time I actually went, you know, on my

own accord. Um. I mostly preferred like going to festivals and stuff for that kind of thing, because you could just sort of wander and you're not all cramped in this place where you have to spend some money on alcohol or whatever. Um. And yeah, I mean I have very I have great memories going to hard Fress with you,

great of going to Coachella a few times. Uh, I was saying, like the night of the Avici's death was announced that it was like, I want to be in the Saharitant right now, just just like because it feels like this day E d M died thing and I just want to see what's going out, like what the vibe is. If any if any night call listeners were in the Saharitant on Friday, Uh what was that? Um? Oh yeah it was four twenty then please um yeah,

give us a report from on the ground. I'm very interested. Yeah, if you had a if you had an Avici emotional breakdown, we would like to hear from you, because we are we are our listeners, we are your friends, we are your friends. We care about your d M feelings. I thought one of the best things, Emily, that you kind of talked about and described was that the kind of like adrenaline that went on, you know, around the recession.

Being of an age where you don't like you're kind of scraping your way into a career and needing to

like almost give yourself. It was almost just like kicking your body and being like, you know, just keep going, and I E d M is not like I'm not like anti E d M. It's just not like it doesn't get give me the feelings, like you know, I know we like but I mean, but I connected to everything like when you you know, we're writing about like couch surfing and then just having to like you just watch everything kind of collapse in an age where you

can't really handle seeing that. But at the same time, I just thought that was like just what everyone's twenties were, like, you know, I was like, oh, I was so excited for my twenties always because I like watched too many Sonic Youth videos and then they're like pretty to pressing and suck, especially if you like can't you know, find a steady job. It's like, well, I I can be rough.

But I just I conflated that with the recession because I didn't it didn't occur to me that there was ever a time when you could like get out of

college and get a job. Yeah, And I mean I think also there's a key difference between like growing up and being in your early twenties and having somebody like Sonic Youth, like a kind of disaffected like uh and and too cool for school and like you know, too cool for your corporate culture or whatever, like for a while anyway, uh, like band versus something that's just so nakedly capitalist as dam, which I think is maybe kind of the generational split on that, because maybe it was

just hard for some people to see why you could ever like that the same reason people that just stay in here metal, which is just like it's about fucking party and yeah, and it's like not about it felt so refreshing, I think because we were all poor and like unable to imagine ever having ever being gamefully employed or having any money, and so something that was just so like yeah that felt such the opposite of reality,

but also wasn't trying. Like the last thing you would want to listen to is like yeah, like like something like like garage rock or like you know, people like rich people pretending to be poor or something that's like the furthest from like where you wanted to go with music. I feel like at that time, you wanted to escape to like the computer generated fantasy. Uh, and that is

what that is what Levels offered. Yeah, yeah, I mean I was totally not like a pure rockist, but I was definitely like an indie rock person throughout my life, and then like after college was probably the first time I started really like getting into dance music because it just also felt so vast to me. I was like, yeah, I don't even know where the entry point is, and like warehouse parties are great, it's great. Uh, it's awesome to be in a weird, sweaty church with a bunch

of people that are all just bonding over music. That's the other thing I could talk about for a zillion years is like the way it just all feels like Hillsong after a certain point it's really hill Song. Well, I think about that a lot because I'm really interested in, like, you know, group dynamics, and weirdly these things cover just all the things I'm interested in, from you know, E d M to the Olympics. Yeah, you know, like there's

something scary about the power of crowds. We should I should also say that hill Song is like justin Bieber's church and like the big mega super church from Austria. It's a mega church. There's something really comforting and amazing about like losing yourself in a group that is also really scary and the back and feeling like experiencing the same feeling as a huge group of people and with E. D. M.

It's so based around the drop. It's like, yeah, you know, it is like they revs up your serotonin, you know, and like a really good I feel like a really good DJ. You know, some of those super DJs are not that good, and some of them are great. You know, it really depends on who you're talking about. And I won't name and shame, but you can feel free to

ask me all my real opinions. But yeah, a really good DJ can like manipulate your brain waves in a way that is so pleasurable and does take control, you know. I mean, I guess the ideal is like something where you have like some control, but like you're giving up some control. Yeah, yeah, you're not totally just being manipulated. You're like part of the manipulation of yourself. Yeah with ru Yeah. Well. One of my favorite like recordings of any A d M ever is UM an Above and

Beyond live recording. UM. I think it's like at Wimbley or something like that, and UM and so you can hear the crowd noise and it's like this remix of like one of their really big songs and like as it's building, something about the way the crowd is recorded makes you just envision everybody being inside like a big tilt world and everybody's like screaming and stuff and like because they know the big thing is going to happen, and it's like so joyous to listen to um yeah,

and like you know, and I remember being like going to whatever, like a modest mouse show or something and like two thousand two or two do three or whatever and being and were probably there. Yeah, it was it was all Tomorrow's parties, UM and being so irritated by everybody around me who liked the band that I liked, because I was like, fuck you, this is my band. Like there's also there's like a thing in indie rock that is the arms folded at the show thing. You know.

Like so much of gen X stuff was about like not yeah, not selling out, but like not really experiencing pleasure in anything that should give you a fun time, being cooler than everybody, just punishing yourself, like punishing other people withholding information and you know, and the way information was dispersed was so different, Like mixtape culture did so much come out of like you need someone to turn

you onto stuff you can't just find it yourself. And then we were totally the kids from the LCD sound System song who were like, Hey, I learned about all this stuff on the internet and I know just as much as you, And it didn't take me like any money to create dig because that was the big thing I always resented, was like, if you wanted to have a great record collection, you had to have money to spend so much money and have the time also to like you, like, you know, go out and search for

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com slash Start. So trans issitioning from the end of one era to another end of an era that feels kind of connected to to this, Uh, we wanted to talk a little bit about the end of Craigslist, personals and back Page and what that means for the Internet

in the future. Well, we were talking last week about UM right bell and kind of message board radio and and the kind of equivalent on the Internet of of places where really genuinely felt um not necessarily unmoderated, but definitely not there for UM, like making people a ton of money is more just like an open town square

where people could wave their respective free freak flags. UM. And yeah, this so this was I think it was at the end of March that this act uh basically made it made uh it rendered Craigslist personals and back Page more culpable in the case in cases of um uh human trafficking and and and sex abuse and that kind of stuff. UM, so that they would be considered accessories to a crime if something was to pass through there.

So that is why, um those places had to shut down their their services basically, which also made it so that a lot of sex workers who were not trafficked are out of a very vital part of how they make their money, UM, which is obviously very bad. And UM, I'm not sure where the activism is as far as like or not where it is, but like you know what the status is on trying to get it reverse because I know that there's a big movement around that

right now. UM. Yeah, it seems crazy. It definitely feels like trying to litigate the Internet and privacy in the way that they're trying to do now is crazy because you can't put it all back in the box. And that's just what they are trying to do well. It's so wild that you can do that. I mean, it's

not wild. I guess it's very predictable. But you can do that for something like Craigslos personals because it's so small and really not that much of a um economic force, Whereas I think something like Facebook, which if you want to talk about stuff on the Internet that has led to a documentable harm uh is definitely more, has way more going on there, including I'm sure some if you, if you are are that concerned about sex trafficking, I'm sure that you could probably tie some cases to Facebook.

That's the thing. It's like, you can't you know, they're not like litigating people's private messages on like Instagram, on Twitter, where you know, you could use all these things exactly the same way. The fact that it's just Craigslist personals and back Page, which yeah, are totally resources that sex workers need to work safely, just feels like just part of the part of the garbage time that we're in. And Craigulous personal especially, I feel like that was just

one of the first things on the Internet. Yeah, it feels like so early. It feels like this first flag plant planted down or something like our missed encounters gone. Yeah, a good question. Miss connections are still there. I believe that is the one remaining part of um, of the personals there. That's so fucking weird. Maybe there's a way to migrate everybody who used personals onto andectioning right now, I haven't I haven't looked, That's what I would do.

That's the thing without like the way you know, with Sesta Fosta, which was a really evil bill that really targeted sex workers, um, you know, and it's all these horrible right wing idiots who are advocating for this kind

of stuff. Um, And it's so weird in the Trump era obviously, where we have like sex workers who have encountered Trump, you know, and just that those are the people, the people that pay sex workers are also the people that are like, this shouldn't exist, and if it exists, it should be dangerous for the you know, I don't know the way that this This just seems like such a bad fix for any you know, I don't even

know how much of a real problem this is. And in the meantime, it takes away this whole community, and I think especially for LGPT people who are trying like there's still that's still like a pretty vital place for people to meet each other and um and to you know, explore their needs and everything, and that it's like the Internet that we talked about a lot of, like oh the Internet where like people can meet that like need to meet each other. You know that, Like wouldn't the

Innerne the Internet in North Inner North? That's like the lame Internet after after the Inner North. Yeah, that the promise of the Internet was like I'll be able to find the other people that share my interest especially if those interests are like things I need to keep secret for like safety reasons. Yeah, you know. Yeah, and just this idea that you're making it that much harder for people because it's not like sex work is ever going to stop or go away. You're just making these people's

lives like much more dangerous. And there's no there's no real re um like replacement for any of those forums. I mean, I was curious because I saw that this had happened, and I went to go check on this um this app, I guess you could call it that.

I did a story on a couple of years ago called Olallah that's like a paid dating app um that is based in Germany and they were trying to roll out in the States, and I think that there was a lot of legal problems with it obviously because of the way that I heard they're like doing stings on

seeking arrangement and stuff like that. Yeah, just all of these sites which I totally feel like should be allowed to exist because who fucking cares if somebody is paying for sex as long as everybody is getting paid, you know, and can be safe. Well, the women who have started OLAH like originally had a site or had an app that was for that was four sex Workers where they could advertise themselves and contact people and like you know, have it be this sort of moderated messaging service, um.

And you could also report people and stuff like that. But that you know does in in Berlin and um, where you know, it's legal. Um, so it's it's very different here. But that that didn't even last because people were I think didn't want to have their names attached

to it, like the Johns didn't um. And Yeah, but it just came such a thing where it was like you know that for a while, when it was when it was working, and when when people were using it was like, Oh cool, I don't have to like stand outside in the cold anymore or like potentially you know, being an unsafe area. Yeah, that's the thing, is like what we need is regulation and legalization, not like not just shutting things down that you know, might be flawed

but serve a crucial purpose. And it does just seem like they made it about trafficking in order to sort

of shove all this other stuff in, you know. And a lot of people were calling out Bernie Sanders because he voted for SASA fasta um, and then like retweeted a Cardi B thing recently, and everybody was like, hey, Cardi B was a stripper and a sex worker, and like she just gave a whole speech about how like sex workers at her level and like the strip club don't get the same attention for like me too, stuff that like Hollywood actresses might get. Uh And yeah, so

you know, fucking were trying to co opt that sucks. Um, Cardi B for prez obviously, no no celebrities for president, No celebrities for president. Miranda legalize it. Yeah that's Randa fix the subway. That's as far as I guess. She just wants to be governor. I you know, I was suspicious until she started putting her money where her mouth is and already, like even her presence is. I'm just saying, everything Cardi B has done so far has been unprecedented, so you know, and she loves FDR, So I am

will never rule out a Cardi B presidency. I have to say I was a little shocked in that article. I forget who wrote it now, but just the person who who reported it didn't know that that FDR like started Social Security. I was like, come on, guys, oh man, like we need to know this. Maybe they were just leading her to talk about it. Who who is that? Franklin Delano Roosevelt? Tell me more? Um, yeah, no, I

mean she's great whatever. I mean, I don't need her to run for president, but she's great and she should continue talking about the New Deal. Um. I think she deserves way better than to be president. To be honest, Yeah, it turns out being president kind of sucks. Yeah, just like being in a rock band or being an e d M. There are all these glamorous jobs are actually not that glamorous. But podcasting from a garage. Podcasting from a garage, it keeps on two million, living the recession dream?

Did you say you're gonna flip it for two million? Because you know that's how much Mark Marian is. I haven't checked Redfish, and I haven't checked red did it close. Everyone's just been posting about it because it's like the famous podcasting garage, the podcast this is also a famous

podcasting garage. One day, one day it will be we're gonna take a picture with the scary fencing Tommy to show you all, and then take a picture here and in the shiny audio boom studios, just to take a picture with leather jackets so we can see what it sounds like. It's some members only jacket. Also you should know it's a leather members only jacket. Oh I say members only jackets make a lot of noise. Dial can

hear them? Okay, let's get some nightcall members only jacket yea, and then we'll wear them to the super Club together. I'll drive you guys there and back and then we'll do a choreographed answer team looking girls trip that we've been practicing. Please, if anybody, if any of our listeners have any ideas for merch that they'd like that they would purchase from Nightcall. They should let us know because

that's a very real possibility on the Good Nightcall tinfoil hat. Yeah, if we can have such a good idea, we have a talent baseball hats and oh that's a great idea. Actually, I saw a picture of art Bell. I was looking at Art bell pictures for sourcing the art for last week's podcast. There's really cute one of him. Also, like one of him holding his cat. That's really good. Um. I felt a real kinship to him because there are a lot of pictures of him in a weird podcast

garage with a cat like us. So yeah, us millennials reveal our nakedly capitalistic ambitions to sell you merchandise for our podcast. That's what that's what the millennial dream is all about. Like selling out and being genuine about it. Good luck, there's a good bumper stick or two. Um, but yeah, give us a call at two four oh for six night. Um, give us your merch ideas. UM, share your e d M memories ask for um, I

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