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just stay and you might not know the difference. You know, you also maybe back in a week's right, No, not, maybe I will be back. I will not. We do. We do have a ghost Mike set up for you today. We're looking right at it. Put some hair on it. I had a really fun adventure that I told you guys about right before I left, on maybe the second last day before I left. Um, And then I feel like we all had stories that were somewhe what like this from our our years spent in Los Angeles. Um,

but I am UM. I am a person who likes to hike. Also shout out to Outside Magazine who shouted us out recently in a post of recommendations. We love to be recommended by people who like the outdoors because we are stealth outdoor people ourselves, even though it might not seem like that, not the outside. So it's true we're indoor kids, but we also love we love the outdoors. I like to look outdoors from indoors, like greenery I've seen, you know. I love greenery, love trees. I like to

sit outside. Yeah, you like to be out I do. It depends on the weather. I'm wearing gloves inside right now. Their fingerless gloves. I love a good um. But I was. I did a hike. I had been feeling very very um stifled by my schedule and not being able to hike, even though the weather was beautiful in Los Angeles. After the rain went away, it was like my favorite kind of l a weather. UM. So I eventually did get out snuck away to go do a hike at Runyon Canyon.

I don't do Runyon Canyon a lot, and I didn't do it a lot when I lived there. Um And I feel like every other time I go to Runyon something weird happens, like I get lost snakes and Runyon. Well, I've run into snakes and Griffiths. I don't know that I've ever run into a snake and Runyon now that I think of it, I think I always start thinking about pumas and Runyon for some reason, even though I think there are more of those in Griffith Park. But

I the other kind of pumas. Yeah, well, if we all, if we all get together for a hike, then yes, uh yeah. I always something about the dismount at Runyon Canyon tends to throw me for a loop. Something weird happens. And this time I was trying to get back and I was sort of pressed for time because I was really squeezing in this hike because I needed to get back home showers so I could go out for a meeting.

And I found myself kind of in this weird area that didn't really seem like it was part of Runyon Canyon, which I guess is the Wattles Garden, and I was like, oh, well, it's really close to curse On Street. I can just like it looks like the path goes out, there's an

exit out onto the street there. I'd never been to this part of the park before, and I don't know how I got there because I don't think I was doing anything weird, but um, so I followed this path that was on Google Maps, and then there was a gate that was closed and locked like with a chain link gate, and I, uh, I could see through it went into this path and as far as I could tell from the map, if I kept going, I would get to the street. So I, um, I hopped the fence,

which I was telling you guys. I was very impressed with myself for being able to do uh in my old age. I did poke a hole in my running leggings, I discovered late later, so the victory was a little

bit diminished. But then I got on the other side and I found myself in this like empty, spooky, like very opulent courtyard with fountains, uh, this kind of Spanish style courtyard, and I could see down that there was this mansion there, this completely empty mansion like and there were just all these like kind of fallen leaves around, and there was one groundskeeper there who was sweeping. I was very careful to use my highest pitched, least threatening

voice to announce my presence. Tim But so it's kind of like in Runyon Canyon. I looked at just like Brunnian Canyon. The estate is called the Wattles Mansion, named for Gurden Waddles bank or wealthy Omaha banker Gurdon Wattles. I had never heard of it before, but Tess had not only heard of it, but been there. I had indeed, yere was picture it. I'm wedding scouting for a place to have a wedding, and I think you can just

waltz in if you do it from the street. There's a parking lot um and then you go in and there are a bunch of like little seating areas. There's a pond with some turtles. The park is open to the public sometimes it I mean, I thought of always open. The garden is like this public garden, and it was you can't go into the mansion though it's owned by

the state. That is what's interesting. It's definitely like recently park in that it's it says it's like an old such an old mansion that it dates back to when it was like a hacienda for a rich person from somewhere. It was it was a winter home for this guy from Omaha to switch guy from Omaha, which is crazy

to think ab out well. I one of my favorite like not very like obscure facts, but fun facts about Los Angeles is that Western Avenue was called Western Avenue because it used to be like the westernmost street in l A which now runs through Koreatown, which is basically like right in the middle of what we consider the city, but like everything everything to the west of that was

really considered like the hinter lands. Well, I saw they have really great archival um photos of Franklin Village, which is kind of just west of Western around like you know, Bronson Canyon and beech Wood and stuff. And in the thirties it was like, I mean a lot of it was like farm. In the twenties too, it was really like country ish, Well was a farm like that was another fun thing I discovered. And it went into like major disrepair in the seventies and eighties and was used

as all right, they said it was like a punk hangar. Yeah, this is interesting because a lot of the stuff about it sounds really similar to Tompkins Square Park, which later in a later segment, but it was like it was like an open place for people to congregate, and then

people congregated there, so they closed it. Well, that was why I really when we were planning our wedding, we were just it was like a very small wedding and we were just looking for just a place that wouldn't be like too far from everybody kind of lived in the same vicinity. So we're like, oh, we'll just find a place at Central and Waddles has so many rules and I was like, oh, that's I don't want that

for the wedding. But I mean it makes sense, but it's kind of a bummer considering that it was a punk hanging and everything that it's like very strict. It used to I think be a lot more sort of atmospherically decrepit um. And I found it was a location in Diana Ross music video from a song called Eaton Alive, which sort of seem like her thriller. But you can look it up. I'll put it on the Twitter. It's a very low res movie or a video, but you can kind of see that it wasn't like there were

like vines growing and stuff and all this. You know, it was really kind of crumbling. Um. Yeah, and it apparently has themed gardens. That's one of the first tourist attractions with the themed gardens. Well, look who did her homework. Look who read the Wikipedia read. I was inspired by Emily's trip into Wattles to finally go to brand Park were I was. I didn't know this, yes, but I didn't. It was late, so I didn't venture all the way up to the haunted part because I'm screwl It's scary,

it is. But did you go, like, did you drive through the big post around Resplendent Gate? Yeah? I did. It is a very resplendent gait. And uh. I took my daughter up to the library, which is like it's beautiful library, beautiful building. Yeah it's and there's like a little tea room that it was those I did almost get into like an altercation with someone though, who parked

taking up two spots in front of me. Glared at each other, and then we had to push our kids next to each other on the swings, which is something that happens like it's not the first time that's happened to me, but that was That was my hiking experience. Did you feel the spirits around here? Totally felt the spirits. It was really beautiful, But it also got me thinking

about Glendale, how Glendale is like the suburb iist you know. Yeah, that's such a different vibe, creepy because it's sort of not in the middle of nowhere, but like in the middle of like a really rich neighborhood in a way like Vendale does. It's like on the cusp there. This park is weird because it feels like it's like a World's Fair type thing. And then I looked it up. It was designed by the architect who designed I think the Chicago World's Fair, which is like the Yeah, yeah, um,

I wonder if it was the same landscape architect. Apparently it was like it has it's very like Spanish fake Spanish castle kind of looking. Apparently it was like so people liked it so much that that's why everyone started making their own houses fake Spanish Spanish revival. Yeah, it's I mean, it's truly beautiful. There's something very kind of threatening about that architecture though, it's just a lot of like it's a little fascist, Yeah, a little bit fascist.

But yeah, it was beautist exactly like a World's Fair exactly. Some of you may not know the Olympics were originally just tagged onto the World's Fair. Um, would you guys like to take a night call let's take a night call speaking of plants and shrubbery. Hey, this is Gloria. I'm calling with the question, UM, so I just moved across town. I moved from one part of Los Angeles to another, and I had two plants suddenly die in my kitchen, two points that I've had for years, and

nothing really changed except for the house that I'm in. Um. And it reminded me of something that my mom used to say when I was growing up, which is like, when plants suddenly die, it means that they've sacrificed themselves, um, to protect you from a spirit that's like, you know, not looking out for you. And I'm wondering, what do you think about this? I asked a friend and she said her mom has said the same thing too, and I mean both of her mom's are Latino, Like it

might be a thing. I googled it and I can't really find anything. Uh So, what do you think can plants see ghosts? I loved this. This is a great call and a great question. Um. I don't know. I I have such bad luck with plants other than like a few real dummy proof plants, that maybe I've just been surrounded by ghosts this entire time, and I had no idea. I had never heard of this idea before. But now that I have, it's all I want to believe forever. Now I have several things to say. I've

been sitting here being really stewing on it. So I I had not heard of this previously, But I I love plants. I have like maybe two many plants, and there have been several times when plants that had been thriving and doing well. I think twice it was jasmine. And actually we moved so we moved into the house that we're in now about six years ago and there was like basically like a hedge of jasmine. Um and we have the same like we have gardeners come once a week. They we they kind of you know, had

worked for I think the previous two families. They've been there forever. We hadn't changed the watering schedule, we hadn't

changed anything. And there was like this period of time I think I've talked about on this podcast before where I felt like maybe there was a curse placed on me and my family, not like a serious curse, but a light curse, but a lot of things were going wrong and in the middle of this period, the entire hedge of jasmine plants literally overnight died, to the point when I was like, did someone like bleach them or something? And we have the gardeners. They hadn't done anything. Differently

my kids. I'm always watching my kids when they're in the yard. They hadn't dumped anything on them. And it was seriously spooky. And after that things got a little bit better, but it was weird so sacrifice, but until I was just like, well, it's another thing that went wrong in a series of a lot of like little things going wrong, but it may have ended the curse.

And then I also had an orchid that I had I think I had gotten right when I moved to l A. And I had another like super super bad year basically like two thousand nine to like MI and I had, and this orchid had been doing super well, and like it would orchids kind of go dormant and then they come back. But again it was like and that took a little longer. It was like, over the course of maybe four days, it had always been in the same place, it was getting the same light, same watering.

It just like turned brittle and it was like it had been like, you know that, I think it's saw goes. So I put on Twitter after we heard this call a a pole asking if when a plant dies suddenly, if it maybe was because it saw a ghost or not due to ghosts. Forty percent said because it saw a ghost. Now that was the losing option, but by such a small margin. I honestly believe I believe this. Yeah, a hundred percent believe that this is a true thing. I like the phrasing of not do to go. Wait,

I need to find your poll here. When did you put it up? Is it is it done? Is it closed? The poll has been closed. You can run another pole and that call though now that people have there were three hundred and twenty four votes guys, and it was like a really it was a tight race. But I was like, it's true that when a plant. I find that, like for house plants, the biggest factor in whether or

not they survive is light. So if you moved to in your house, you're probably getting a different light source. Even if obviously you were like, oh, the kitchen is a good place for this plant, maybe in your new place, the kitchen is not a good place for the plant. But usually they'll give you signs that something that they're not liking where they are and instead of just like

dropping dead. If you have any stories like this, listeners, would you please to four oh four six night or Nightcall podcast at Gmail because this is like, this is my new beat. Guys. Yeah, let's reiterate that not all plant death is necessarily due to seeing ghosts, because I don't want anyone to most attribute plants failure some of us due to the planet dying. But maybe that's the biggest ghost of all. Maybe the ghost. Maybe he's always there, it's like those sci fi movies. Or the ghost is

just like a pollen. Uh, speaking of sudden deaths, we all watched the hottest show on Netflix right now as far as I can tell. Um. I had to wait until I got back and then I had my recuperation day from traveling and watched six out of eight episodes of Russian Doll, the news show from Leslie Headland and Amy Poehler and Who's the Third Personal Natasha Leone. We Yeah,

so I watched six out of eight episodes. It is about a woman who mysteriously finds herself dying over and over and over again, and especially The first couple episodes are really about that, really about all the crazy accidental way she dies, and I had a crazy nightmares about getting hit by cars over and over and over again. It's colored my reception of the show somewhat, and maybe it will be a while till i've bench something again. But I kind of dig it. I still have one.

I have one more episode to watch. I didn't finish it. Finish it. You also had a tweet where you said that you've been hit by a car a few times. Oh, yeah, a few times. I think we've talked about that. How many times have you been hit by a car? Three times? That horrible? Yeah, all all on my body. So not

seeing that is different for you. Yeah, it's kind of insane that I like to drive as much as I do, because I am actually really terrified of cars, probably in a comparable way to you guys talking about being nervous about flying. That's how I feel about driving. Cars are scary to people. Should be more scared of cars. Car. You can die from a car some yeah, easily. I've been in two car crashes where I'm in the car,

and I've been in three accidents where cars hit my body. Uh, did you guys know not the same but uh, Ariana Grande was hit by a hockey puck twice as a child. Really, yeah, I've heard this weird fact. She just posted a story about it on her Instagram. That's a picture of her as a child riding the zamboni and it's like, Ariana Grande boutera like the little girl who was hit by the hockey puck at the Florida Panthers game twice. It's fun and what like that can really change your whole

I just feel like that's such a good origins. Yeah, totally, and then she could sing like from that point, um, but yeah, Russian doll. How how much did you guys watch of it? I got through four six, okay, so none of us have made it to the end yet. I find it in a way, it's a really good show to binge because obviously it's kind of a play on the fact that you're binging it, um. But it also it's not as like light of a show as

you initially think it is. I mean, I didn't give me nightmares, but eventually I felt like I needed to like take a breather. The emotional intensity is played both for laughs. And also it's like it just is intense. It's so dark. I love Leslie Headland speaking. Sure, we all, we all love Leslian It's cool. It's very dark and funny. And Natasha Leone also special shout out to Greta Lee, who went to high school with and who was She was a triple threat in high school. She was an

amazing singer, dancer, and actor. She was so well cast in this She plays Maxine. Okay, she's so good. Yeah, he's so good, very good. The casting in this show is fantastic. Everybody in the show was great, all the character people. I really like the guar who plays Alan too. Yeah that's who is it, Charlie Barnett. Everybody likes him. Yeah, he's great. I did think that the ex John who's played by yule Vaska, who said he was like Chris Nottham season one of Law and Order, which is exactly right.

He gave me the diet yeah exactly. I was like, this is the diet code, it's the trench code general New York, New York eighties. So the show is the New Yorkist show. Yes, yeah, it's I think it's like so beautifully shot in all the outdoor kind of street scenes because it's all a lot of takes place at night, because that's kind of where she keeps getting dumped every

time she has to restart a cycle. So it's all kind of on this Sunday night in New York, and it's very atmospheric and makes me appreciate it's recognizable, but it still feels kind of heightened in a way. Yeah, it really reminded me of After Hours totally. Obviously a super high compliment. And one of the things that I hear them talking about a lot of the press far is just how they were, like, how come there's no

like seventies movies about just like broads. Yeah, just really self destructive ladies out on the town, out on the town. And Natasha Leone obviously is like somebody who was a beloved child actor who then had a rough time and was a junkie. I don't know if that comes into play directly in the show, but it obviously seems like that's one of the things the show is a metaphor for. But I was looking at up because there was that thing.

I don't know if you guys remember this, but Michael Rappaport was her landlord once and read this horrible op ed from magazine. It was about it was brutal. I remember this. It was awful. It was like he was her landlord and he was like, she's a terrible tenant because she's like a junk It was just like shaming her for being a junkie. And it was really awful, horrible. And then she did almost die. She had like her lungs collapsed or something really intense, and so that all happened.

We're talking about I just want to make And then I looked up I looked up her backstory also, and it was like she was basically her parents were Orthodox, which is interesting because there's some stuff about that some Orthodox people in the show, and that she was basically like liberated from her family by the age of sixteen. Yeah, she was very much like a self made person I think, who was like, you know, got into show business. Um. And I found I found this delightful. Yeah, it was

really it's really good. I also I had just watched Can You Ever Forgive Me? And I was like, I love kind of taking like taking the lens of like what's charming about New York and putting kind of like grabbing it and giving it to like bitchy complicated ladies. Yes, I love it because that's like they're very of a piece, these two characters exactly. Yeah. And so I feel like I've said this on the show before, but I really

enjoyed the last o G recently. I was like a New York show that made me be like, oh New York, Like what a wonderful place, but so lovely and atmospheric, and just like shows that do the thing people like from Wy Allen movies of people like strolling along having and is. I was like, you should take that man and give it to women. Yeah, did you guys? Then

Private Life Jenkins film, No, I haven't seen it. I mean that's like another good Like it's like it feels like the Wody Allen movie that I actually want because I'm not that big of a fan of Woody Allen, but like it's just sort of talkie people haven't They're neurosis about a problem and it's a lot of dialogue stuff. But it just kind of feels like wearing a chunky sweater. This was like wearing an itchy jacket but in the little but it's like a really cool jacket, Yes, you

know it. Also, I love it's self reverential in like a very smart and good way. And also, um, I like how they like blew their budget on the harrys Hay. This is what I was going to talk about. Yeah, that's like all their budget. It's because every episode they have to pay for the rights for it. Well, there was a maximum number of time, the times that they were allowed to use it. Yeah, so you'll notice it

peters out after a while. And then they have Alan, who's like the character who comes in and he's in a similar predicament and his song is a Beethoven concerto because it's like in the domain exactly, which I thought was also just like funny, and I mean such a perfect choice of songs to like have Harry Nielsen in there, who's so great. Um, but yeah, such a good show.

I'm also I always go into these shows that are like being I think it has like a ninety percent on Rotten Tomatoes, and I always am just like, oh, I won't be the rain class. Wix is advertising something to me on the front page puts me off, Yes, exactly.

You know what puts me off to it though, is not not not just the putting it on the front page or suddenly everybody's talking about it, but that there's usually I feel like for me, there's no fore warning about it, Like they're suddenly there and suddenly it's like, oh, there's this thing that everybody's talking about. I had no idea to even be anticipating a new show starring Natasha Leone and like finished by a by Pohler. That would have been something I would have liked to know about

a couple of weeks ago. And now apparently I'm totally behind the game. Not that I need to be on top of the game with TV. I feel like I've taken that pressure off myself like years ago, but still it's like the sort of like suddenly everybody seemingly has watched the whole thing over the of course two days, and you have to catch up. I don't know, that's why we we like wait a week on this jazzy podcast.

I wonder what would happen if someone started a streaming service that had like it was just a dump where they never told you anything that was going to happen, and there was no marketing once it did, and they just put everything lumped it all, are you revealing night dump? Well, now that you want to roll it out like this, it's blowing the pr It's like a dumpster full of videos. Dumpster full of videos. Well, because I've been for like

the longest time, I've been pushing live tweet the location. Yeah, right, whoever gets there first, you get the content, get of a woman. But I was really like with too many cooks, which I talked about every third episode of this podcast Alive talk about, but too many cooks, I was like, where's why aren't things dealt with? Why is it not everything like too many cooks? Where you don't know what it is, you don't know why it's there. There's it's

like you'll talk about it afterwards. But ideally, no one who's been in the comments that have been saying, which is that what people really want is to watch television that's been programmed for them like it used to be of like here's a show, now, here's another show. You

don't really get to choose, don't get to cheese. I think we should start this and we should call it You get what you get and you don't get upset, and it's just probably just like real back and bonk your head that you've been saving that in your back

pockets just snorted. Affected way. Tess is wearing fingerless gloves and announced when I saw her, and I like almost sliced my finger off last night, which is also this because we're watching Russian Dollars, because we're like aware of it because we're watching Russian doll Yeah, I'm not getting into any staircases anytimes, and it's funny that the stair the stair got her every time and didn't get the

other guy. Spoiler alert sorry, very important. It's also nice because this show is very much like everybody's probably like big chill age. Yes, and you're like, oh, this is the recognizable reality where people are still having like birthday parties for themselves. Okay, but wait, that's not a recognizably realistic birthday party. What that somebody would make you chicken? I would make you chicken lavish party at a loft

where everyone like sleeps together after eating chicken. That's what I imagine New York is, like Emily fact check, Yes, I do that. Every night, A new chicken in a new a new warm body every night, two warm bodies, chickens body. That's New York I was very drawn in also by the Lost Cat narrative aspect oh Neal, which is a very cute cat, extremely cute cat, good cat cat casting on Russian doll. There were a few moments that I was like, I'm I'm in on this show.

One of them was I think it's in the first episode she goes I'm in the game, I'm Michael Douglas and made me laugh so hard, But I'm all in. I have yet to see how it all pans out, but like, I really like between trying to figure out what it's about and whether it's about like coding and gaming, which is her job in it, so that was like kind of a hint for that, and then whether it's

about um like psychotherapy. On the other hand, those are like the two things I've been bouncing between thinking about and the context of the show, which is sort of fun to think about them in tandem. But it really does feel like it's more about the ladder near the end as far as like especially and no spoilers, but just like playing things over and over and like trying to process things in a way. But that, yeah, and also the therapist who's played by Elizabeth Ashley, who is

so so good. Uh yeah, where did she come from? I forget? I looked her. I looked her up. She feels like you know her. She feels like you know her better than you do. She sounds kind of like Candice Bergen sounds now like um or somebody. I feel like I was maybe somebody who is in book Club, which was like one of the best movies of last year. That nobody. But well again, it's like people that you know in real life. This is the thing is you're

like everybody that's the show is about. Also two is it's like everybody in real life knows like women over the age of whatever that are like cool and interesting in people, but there's like none of them in movies and TV. And so when you see them in things like this or like in Slums of Beverly Hills, which was Natasha Leon's big breakout, you're like, oh, like real people. Yes. Also, I love that the women are cast to be these kind of like sparkling, interesting, layered people, and then the

male characters are just like whatever, whatever. You got a good line about Colombo because he's wearing a trench coat. But I was like this is I loved seeing the men as accessories. Does this kind of feel like Alan is going to be like an NPC, like a non player character, just because in this apartment it's like he's like a sim Uh but I don't know he is. Hey, speaking of Sims and uh no, there's no, there's no I know we want any excuse to talk about the

Sims SIMS article about fucking love Sims. It was about something sucked up about it. I thought it was interesting. Oh it was sim City Sims in the city know about how sim city is um like a capitalist nightmare horror thing. Yeah. Yeah, do you remember how scary it was when like a like a hurricane would come to your sim city and like the old doss one, there would be this horrible sound like that. Maybe. Oh, hey, speaking of terrifying things, why don't we take a night call.

It's actually a night email, so you can go again. Uh here, I'll read it because it's right on my phone right here. Hello night folks. I just finished listening to the Alt Milk convo at the end of the new episode, and the question of whether or not Spider silk Milk exists had me trying to figure out where I'd heard that before. It turns out, I think it's this with a link that we will put somewhere in

the show. Notes. Because spider silk is so strong but inefficient to harvest from spiders, some folks made goats make it via their milk. Goat milk, while not my favorite to drink, necessarily is tip top for yogurts and cheeses and all that, and apparently for producing spider silk. Best Daniel,

this is true, and this blows my mind. I this is what I was sort of indirectly referencing when I said that there was spy ther silk milk, was that that there were these goats who were genetically modified to make spider silk in their milk. Yes, that's what it is. Is that it's like they squared out the milk and then you turn the milk intein spider goats. They're like, actually, they're like the closest thing to Spider Man that actually

exists life. So I guess the deal is that scientists were like, Okay, so spider silk is really strong and elastic, and they wanted to use um. They wanted to use it to make artificial ligaments and like suit your eyes and make bulletproof vests and all this crazy stuff. And they were like, great, we'll get a spider farm where we have so many spiders spin and spin and spin and all the day. But then the spiders were just like didn't like to be near other tires, and they

ate each other. They just ate each other. And they were like, all right, next in line, that's a problem with your workforce. Maybe the spiders. Yeah, it was bad work conditions for the spider. Spiders were like, we don't have to spin for you for twenty four hours a day. No way. I'm so I'm so sad that I missed food moods UM when you guys had your podcast by yourself. I just look, I really love this new addition to the Nightcall family. Well guess what, it's back right now

with Emily. Emily, you had expressed interest in UM in talking about how you're trying to get spracked. Oh. Yes, well this was a discussion because Molly was talking about milk tea. This was a revelation to me that it is mostly vegan. That opens up a whole new world to me because I've never had milk tea because I figured I couldn't and I haven't had ti iced tea for a zillion years, even though I love it so

very much, so sugary and caffeinated and good. Um. I feel like I mentioned on here before that right now I'm in a Macha latte face, which was a very expensive habit um, and I wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't because my brain is broken and I'm tired all the time I odeed on macha. I had a bad macha encounter. See, I feel like I've been chasing a dragon with macha because I had one that was really poorly made at Panqutitian, where the lady clearly did

not know what she was doing. She just like took like what looked like a third a cup of of of macha powder and just like plucked it bad. And it was like well, but but it ended up being however it was it was so sugary. No, it wasn't sugary. It was so macha e. It was like it was like you could the purest hie I've ever had in my life. It was full body. I was gonna say, I feel like we always just end up talking about Le pen Quotitian here on this podcast. I am always

I have I have nothing bad to say about pan Quotitian. Well, I've got plenty and she'll save it is Molly right in between this course. What do you how do you think? Yeah? The perfect ven diagram night call right. Yeah, I so that's been my thing lately. We'll check out milk tea because it blows your brain a little bit about just eating espresso means, I know that's a very nineties Does

that worry? There's there's different qualities, uh to getting spracked, And I feel like at a certain point the caffeine, the coffee caffeine thing is just a kind of body and a heart thing and not cold brew. Yes I work with cold brew, but not past like two pm ce haven't gone. Have you tried bulletproof? Yes? I have or coffee bulletproof. Bulletproof coffee is very good. You can also do it with coconut oil. I read that article about that guy in the New York of that from

the guy, such a guy. He was such a because he was such bullshit. He was like, oh, it's like the butter bio essences into the coffee. He was such a scammer that I was his But the main thing, And this is the takeaway. This is anytime there's like a bullshit m food trend uh going on the like claims to do one thing or another, I feel like I'm pretty good at like trying it, being open mind and then figuring out what the actual base principle that's

not bullshit is. So in the case of bulletproof coffee, I think the important thing, and I do this generally, is that you need to have some fat at the beginning of the day, especially with caffeine, Like you need to have some fat to just like give some the caffeine something to like glue onto. This is not scientific. Yeah, they put milk. Put milk in the coffee. You're using whole fat mil fat non fat milk is not going

to do it. And even like full fat coconut milk, yeah sure, yeah, but does it Does coconut milk have the same Omega threes? I feel like coconut milk has everything because the deal is it has to be grass fed milk because it has like the Omega three. We're going to solve the milk problem. But the real thing that's wonderful is to please advertise with this neutral bullet

My favorite product that I own in my home. It's I've had one for six or seven years now and it hasn't failed me yet, and it's like the best thing in the world. But that's what I put my coffee in if I've done the bulletproof thing, which I haven't done in a while, but when I did do it, I would put it in that and it just like made into this delicious, like frothy, fatty cup of coffee. So good. Don't you think, people, just what we enjoy

about all of these things is like the ritual is um. Yeah, some some of it is due to that, But I found so I made the switch over to full fat milk a couple of years ago, have not turned back, And I honestly do think that there's something too. If you're getting grass fed milk that's full fat and you're putting it in coffee and drinking a ton of coffee, it's another key factor is that you have to be

drinking a lot a ton of coffee. Uh. But I did notice that it made me feel more coffeed up more quickly than what I had been doing the low fat milk in my coffee. By the way, guys, now that we're talking about brands taking over food. We got a night call that references are Big Kale conspiracy discussion from last week. I think this belongs in food Moves. Yea a night Kale A night. Oh nice one. So this night email comes to us from Grant pronounced Grant.

Thank you Grant, dear ladies of Night Call, big fan of the podcast, been following you, Giles since Grantland. I wanted to reach out because the previous episode, Molly and Tests mentioned the rise of Kale and how it is bullshit. My girlfriend shout out to Karina pronounced Karenna. Sorry, shout out to Karenna turned me onto a podcast called Why We Eat What We Eat. In one episode, they take a deep dive into the rise of Kale and how a single woman is behind it all Oberon Sinclair, I

mean everything, even the American Kale Association. I'm providing a link to the podcast. It's only twenty minutes long. I suggest you ladies give it a listen. More people need to know the truth about Big Kale. Thank you Grant. Did you guys listen to this? I have it yet, but I planned to because I was also there were

several articles written, um, I think like a year. Yeah, there's this one in paper here, yeah, um, and it talks about how, yeah, this was like a big PR push for her, but there was also a like a farmer who may too much kale and made these shirts that said eat more kale just to get rid of the kale that he or she made. I dipped a toe in and I have more reading on it tonight,

Older sincl Um, I crazy. Yeah, I mean I remember in high school I worked at a deli or like, I worked in the deli case of the grocery store, and I just knew of kale is a thing we'd just be sent out into the produce section to grab because it was like fifty cents a bunch, and we would just use it as garnish on a big bowl of jello salad. Um, just kind of like wedge it in the side. And that's like my only because my only knowledge of what kale was good for for a

very long time. Well, would you guys like to hear some kale facts and also some PR facts about food that I'm learning from this article called the Strange Mystery of Who made Kale famous? Um? Apparently kale by sixty percent between two thousand and seven and two thousand and twelve. Before that, the largest buyer of kale was Pizza Hut. But apparently orange juice was created by ad agency Lord and Thomas to help the California Fruit Growers Exchange utilize

an overabundance of citrus trees. In nineteen o seven, the concept drinking orange made orange juice a staple morning drink. Oh my god, do you remember when you were a kid and you saw the Tropicana ads with the orange with the straw stuff in it, and you were just like Graham and try that next year. I know, of course it won't work. And I was like, Oh, there was a woman, Linda Resnick, who was behind the pomegranate movement, The Wonderful, the Wonderful Company or whatever they're called. Okay.

Oberon Sinclair, founder of My Young Anti pr in New York City with a client list including er Ma, Vivian Westwood, and Jack Spade, was hired by the American Kale Association in to make kale cool. But that doesn't seem right. If it started in two thousand seven, that's about when I feel like, I mean, when I started eating kale It was because I was dating a very crunchy vegan and it was like the cheapest thing and we would just have it all the time. Vegans have always loved

to kill. Yeah, I mean, I feel like it became cool somewhat after that, you know, around two thousand nine or something like that. It's a very post recession food. I feel like the American Kale Association doesn't exist. What um go on? Okay, So this person like talked to Oberon Sinclair, who was like, I made kale cool by putting it on like the menu of all these trendy

New York restaurants and like grilla marketing it. And then he had a call schedule with Drew Ramsey, Assistant professor of Clinical psychiatry at Columbia University and the founder of National Kale Day and the writer of Fifty Shades of Kale. He said, I've heard I've heard that before. Have you talked to anyone at the American Kale Association. I'm not

sure they exist? Um. Apparently she and then the writer said they'd assumed the American Kale Association was a group of kale farmers, but in fact the opposite is true. Many kale farmers are actually suffering from kale sudden popularity. The demand is rising, but the supply is outpacing it. It's like Kima, it's like all these other crops. I have to just say that I am going to be a champion for Parsley right now. Personally call no. Everyone does.

And that's because it is cilantro more controversial. Yes, I'm saying, Parsley is completely uncontroversial. It has more vitamins then kale. It's so good for you. It is great for your stomach, it's great for your breath, gets rid of varlet, it gets Yes, you got to go with the Parsley. So I'm going to go ahead and call it now that I'm going to do for Parsley as a hobby, you know, just out of the kindness of my heart. I'm gonna

elevate it past Kale. We're gonna cream kale. I can see it having in a Rugla like place in um the American consciousness, sort of a spicy green that you can use as a base salad pora fry it that would yeah, oh you can, I've had that. It's very good? Is it good? Quite good? I thought I invented it. Damn.

This is the thing about any of these foods though, including kiwa, especially including kale, is that a lot of times when these foods are introduced and they're made into things that you like are supposed to eat all the time because it's cool, or somebody tells you it's gonna make you like live forever, whatever the case might be, or make your skin beautiful. People do not get educated properly on how to prepare it. There's so many stupidly

prepared kale salads. I bought a salad once somewhere in l A this last trip out, I can't remember. It was just like a raw like chunks of raw kale in the salad, and I actually like rolled up my sleeve. I put in the dressing that came with it, and I massaged it myself, because you can't eat just like rock haale like that unless it's very I don't know that people don't care because it's also like if you're selling something is being super healthy, then like people are like, yeah,

give it to me. Yeah. The idea of someone else massaging my kale is like to gross. That's that's why kale is so funny, is because it's marketing. It's all just marketing. It's just like a tough green. Yeah, that's been marketing. Leafy broccoli. That's all that it is. Broccoli is probably so much better. You have to really stand for broccoli here. I love broccoli. I grow my own broccoli. Now. Wow, Well, I hope I hope it doesn't see any ghost. I hope it doesn't see it ghost. But I would rather

eat see a ghost than me see a ghost. So if that's what if, that's how it has to be, that's how it has I want. I want a pin now of testas petrified broccoli, like I can do that. Fair. Did you guys see the ghost apples? Did I send you the ghost apples? It was so cool. It was going around. It was a place where the apples froze, but they were full of water and then the like skin rotted off. But they're just like, yes, I saw

hanging in the shape of apples. Did you also see the thing about after the rain in California, all these strawberries were left on the beach, and yeah, the beach strawberries. This is the best food news of the past week. I have to say it is food news. Land Art is where all my Nightcall would like to get into some some land art. If you want us to come draw squiggles on some beaches for you for real. If you want us to do that, please give us a call four six night or email us at Nightcall Podcast

at gmail dot com. Also, please follow us on social media. We are Nightcall Pod on Twitter, Nightcall Podcast on Facebook and Instagram. AM And if you haven't already, please rate, review and subscribe to us wherever you listen to podcasts. It's nice thing to do. Yeah, I want to mention the writer Audrey Wallen made a meme once that was about how men don't own the void, and it had a bunch of land art made by men that was crossed out and is how I know about the strawberries

on the beach? Oh cool, we hear it, and I call agree that women own the void? Which women own the void? Give us the void, get it back. I also enjoyed all the parts in Russian Doll where she was like, I'm the abyss, Yes, I did too. Good show, Russian Doll, very Pacino E, very Pechino. Good show. And and honestly her hair is so great and it made me again long for curly hair, because I would, you would not, you have no idea. I hope we freaky

Friday so you can see how much you don't. I'm hoping we Freaky Friday since stay one, because eventually it will happen. Can we do a three A three keys a Secret Santary Thursday? It would be a three D Thursday. And Thursday is a great day to switch, I think because Friday you have the whole weekend. That's what I'm saying.

When it when it's when it's you're not rushed. You're not rushed on Sunday, get to experience a little work, you know, and a little play, and I like, I think that's a good balance when you're switching bodies with a friend. It's over. Shout out to homestar running. This is basically teen Girl Squad. It is. I showed my six year old son Girl Squad and he was kind of like equal parts, like what is? What is? Where

is more of this? It's like when I found my parents alternative tried to hide for me from Yeah, exactly. That was a good That was a good end of the show. Fake out and then we came back for one last night and now we've gone again the end every week, but we come back. We come back. We'll see you next week. Thanks for listening to Nightcall.