Valerie Solanas Was Just Writing What She Knew

test Lynch. Hello, please feed me. It's so strange. It's like you're It's like you're our imaginary friend that we you know, we have. There's like a secret number that only works at certain times of the day and we can access the line. Speaking of secret numbers and hotlines, you should give us a call at one four six night and email us at night Call pod cast Night Called podcast gmail dot gmail dot com and ask us here questions, share your share your spooky stories. Um, yeah,

just drop us a line. Tell us what's on your mind about the shadow people. Tell us about how Art Bell changed your life, Molly. Before we get into Art Bell, which we will, I know the people want it. Um tell us about New York city and how it's changing your life. I'm in New York City, New York, Citay and and you're on you were So the intro is

actually accurate for the first time. We are actually on Madison Avenue, but we've always been on Madison Avenue, and I did not lie in because I didn't know where the studio was until now. Molly was telling me as we were walking into the building. Was like Molly noted, if not most noted mad Men recapper in the history of the show told me, I didn't even know it was named after Madison Avenue until like the fifth season.

It's just incredible. It was like a pun on ad Men, which is but I didn't realize that mad Men was like a thing, you know, it's slang for ad guys. It's all come together. This is why you have to come to New York so you can get the well this building it's also super mad Men. We walked inside and it has like a crazy Art deco lobby, like it's like first or second season mad Men before they move into their their fancy mid century place. And I am a sleek sucker for the Art deco glamour right

by the Empire State building. I was saying, whenever I come to New York, I go full Kimmy Schmidt, where I just like walk around like delighted by everything, just like amidst all the jaded New Yorkers and I'm like, look that was me the first tall building. The first year I was here. I would just walk around with my head up, you know, like looking around because it was all kind of new to me, and people would be giving me the weirdest looks, like why you have

the sense of wonder in your eyes. They don't even really look at you. They just kind of like shake their heads. They're like, what are you doing? Yeah? My my brother and I were on the subway that was like above ground and there was a part where we were like so excited that it was above ground. And then we were like, look the statue of Liberal Get up out of your seat and you run to the window. Did We were like standing by the window with our faces pressed against the glass. It was just a magical,

magical time. Molly, when you visit New York, what what are your must does? Um? You know, what's what's Molly Lambert's New York and eating an authentic New York bagel? From Duncan Donuts across the street. Right now, I see the evidence of it right in front of me. It's true. Um, I don't know. I mean I'm usually here for like family visit reason, so I it's not like full freedom that you do a lot of Queens. I do a lot of Queens today. This was the first trip of

my brother and I explored Queens. We went to Forest Hills and walked around, and I was enchanted by Forest Hills. Um, I love Queens because it's like the valley. Yeah, oh, it totally is. You know, like, uh, we're out near like Jamaica, which I love, which you know, it's the suburbs, so it's far away from everything. So it's also hard to get into the city proper. But my brother and I went to the Met. I love the Met. I love the ancient Egyptian my favorite place in the world.

Had the realization that my dream home is like an Egyptian tomb, you know, you you can have that be your final resting place. They were like those like little like darkened rooms that you walk in where they have the panels on the wall. I was just like, okay, just like a bed, like right here, my brother and I talked about Mixed of files and Mrs Baisley Frankweiler a lot, because you know that's the dream dream is to find a way to stay the night in the

night or the Natural History Museum. Well I did get to go in Natural History Museum after hours the last time I was here. Oh yeah, that's right. My friend Brianna works at the Natural History Museum. And you know, she was like helping them close. It was amazing. It was so cool, and they're all there's like offices and stuff. You know. I love to seeing the backstage of anything, so like the backstage of the Natural History Museum, Like I was just as excited about, like, look, this door

leads to a mundane hallway, isn't that crazy? Uh? So when do you do? You leave tomorrow? I leave tomorrow. So well, you know it's going to be hard to top going to see a screening if I feel pretty Yeah, Emily and I was like, hey, want to go to a free screening? And I was like, do I a press screening? Again? I'm just do you know thinks that everyone else's is has done a lot. I will be quickly de glamorous new to me, uh and then I'll go back to l A and I can be jaded

about all the beautiful sunsets there and it'll be chill. Guys. How are you? I'm good? Uh? We lost an icon this week? Did we lost probably the single biggest inspiration on the podcast, saying god Father of Night called Godfather of Night call Art Bell R I P R I P died on Friday, but also or did he? Right? Right? Well? Right now? The number one search if you look for our bell is cause of death. So I'm glad that

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feel like I'm possible to be nostalgic for what it was. Yeah. Well it also like started as like a regular like right wing talk radio show. Yeah. So the fact that he also his politics were interesting though. I mean he was technically a libertarian. Yeah, technically a libertarian. Such a terrible friend. It's interesting to think about like what those alignments meant. Yeah, nineties theory people, you know, the idea of the conspiracy theory libertarian is such a thing obviously,

but it's interesting to think about Art Bell versus Alex Jones. Right. Well, I mean I remember we had a neighbor who was really into Art Bell and um, even before I really knew what it was to be like a paranoid like, you know, conspiracy the theorist guy. My mom would always be like that guys. You know, he's like, he'sn't a conspiracy theories and but we were friends with him. He was like our you know, funny neighbor. Uh. He was like harmless. And you know a lot of people are

into conspiracy theory. Yeah, and you know, I think we're all of the mine that like some of them are true, you know, some some of the big ones, especially you know, like the government did a lot of shady stuff. Uh, and some of them are not true, and the not two ones are the most fun. Can I tell you a nine eleven conspiracy that somebody just told me that I've never heard before, just to get right into it because we're you know, honoring, honoring the legacy, say um uh.

There was an episode of The Lone Gunmen, apparently the X Files spin off in the year like that showed something about like people doing a terrorist attack on the Twin Towers or something, and then people after nine eleven were like Fox, like that's proof that, like it was an inside job because like Fox, the channel that The Lone Gunman was on, you knew it was going to happen, and so they aired that episode so that it would seem like too much of a coincidence. If it did happen,

what would possibly be the game coincidence conspiracy? So I think I'm confused. We're saying, like, what's so great about

it doesn't matter? Yeah, no, no, no. What's so great about Art Bell is that, yeah, it didn't matter if you really believe in the conspiracies or not, because it's about just sort of going to those weird places of the mind of like what if all you know, I think to most people it's like satisfying to make connections where there are none, you know, because like, wouldn't it make more sense if everything did have all these weird interconnections and the world all was a universal theory of

lizard people. Um, it can just get politicized so easily. But when it's just like I wonder why that is the way it was, is just like a weird like imaginary playground kind of. Caleb Horton wrote a really great thing about art Bell that he reposted on his Twitter uh that he wrote a while ago, but it was just about art Bell and about how like art Bell

is the perfect thing to drive long distances to. Yes, no, that's my that's my relationship with you saying it's also because it's like that's when you really have time to meditate on like what are those lights in the distance? Like what's that weird grain silo? I just passed? And that art Bell really just you know, creates this environment where you're allowed to just like indulge in wondering about those things like what if it was planted there by

the aliens? And just the colin aspect to is I mean it just creates this sort of It kind of feels like the radio equivalent of like, you know, the kind of Internet that we talk a lot about that I've lost, the kind of ungentrified weirdos only and a message board. Yeah yeah, totally, Like it is a message board radio show people who care about aliens and who aren't like trying to get the biggest audience possible, but are just like I have to find all the other people.

I need to leave my freak flag so that I can find my people. So that was a big reason we wanted this to be a call in show. Yeah yeah. And the other thing is like I think that the the long drive thing is totally I mean that is like that is my It's not like I listened to Coast to Coast all the time, but definitely if I was on a road trip, I did. And the other the other inspiration point for this podcast, the Delilah Show, is like another one like that and like friend friend

of the podcast. Remember Brown was talking to me about like how he has such a relationship with Delilah because you know, you just if you're if you have to do a long drive at now, what's Delilah? Oh man? Oh my god, she's like the advice Colin um Adie. She's like, she's amazing, She's the advice. Yeah, she's it's like a syndicated show and it's night. Um. I you know Tess and I grew up on Love Line for sure, Yeah,

which I also enjoyed a lot. Delilah is much more than like she'll do a dedication of a song for somebody. And Art le Beau, these are all like our favorite people are the radio personalities where you're like, you know, they're always there for you. It's that weird para social thing where you're like, that's my friend. Yeah, And it

is like a little more. It's not just like a celebrity, like there is a kind of communication line going back and forth, which does you know Art le Beau, especially because he's taking a lot of dedications from people that are like incarcerated, where it's just like it goes like about like above physical space, you know, it's like into the metaphysical space that is like the radio and the air waves. Did you guys ever hear Art Bells show that he started like after midnight in the Desert, Yeah,

I mean it has the greatest name of all time. Yeah, I mean we should that should just be our permanent sign on you shouldn't stand back and done that. Um. I was surprised, actually, Molly, that you didn't do midnight in the deserted in the morning that morning, you know. Um yeah, it's I mean, it's sort of interesting. I am kind of curious about his politics, which is something I was never thinking of at the time. But I was telling you, Emily, because I printed out my note,

yes notes, way to call back to the songbird sun Finch. Um. So this is from the Washington Post obituary that posted today. It's it's full of good stuff. It has like just everything you want, but it says, regarding his politics quote, his politics were all over the map. A self described libertarian, he opposed abortion, supported same sex marriage, and was skeptical

skeptical of the science behind global warming. He lamed Richard Nixon for spawning a nation of cynics, supported Barry Goldwater in nineteen sixty four, and Ross Pero came to consider Bill Clinton a great president and said he voted for Barack Obama in two thousand eight. What a free spirit like a white guy reaction, Jim, It's kind of it's a little more like those puppies that turn their heads from side to side, like huh, twist, there's some good and bad comes. Next said I like this. Mr Bell

had no stomach for haters. He had a white supremacist on as a guest, made him uncomfortable, made him comfortable enough for him to spout racist views. And then Mr Bell informed the guests that quote, I am married to a brown skinned Asian woman. Well, there was this whole crazy thing I guess where he he like moved to

the Philippines. He married a Filipino woman and then moved to the Philippines, and then there was oaks against him where it was like a letter that they you know, somebody sent to a newspaper and said, like Art Bell wrote this and it was a bunch of terrible things about Filipino people. And then it was proven to be a hoax. Um, but it's still kind of came back to bite him a few times. It would like recirculate, So I think it was something that he kind of

had to address. I knew he moved to par ump Nevada because he thought that like somebody was out to get him. Uh. That is also where Heidi flies moved when she was fleeing. Yeah, that's where that great documentary about her takes place where she has all the parents. Is the place that's our next field trip. Didn't he stop broadcasting too because he thought like somebody was, you know, trying to get him, and there are people like perty.

What also is interesting about art Bell is obviously the ways it overlaps with like Philip K. Dick and people like that, where you're like, how much of this might even just be in your head? Yeah, but also like it's very interesting in your head and I want to know, but it might be scary in there. Seems a little

scary in there. Sometimes it's like what are you experience? Like, you know, there's enough to make you feel paranoid, but to actually like uproot your life and take action and that Well, that also shows that maybe it's not like just a character, because obviously some radio personas are No, I don't think character. But the voice, it's like, it's such a good voice he has. I mean, he's so great at what he does that, you know. George Nori sort of demonstrates what is so great about Art Bell

that is not just immediately replicable by anyone else. Um, and I you know, I don't hate Alex Jones. I mean, I hate him, but I don't you should hate I hate him, but I but I thought, but I think he has like an interest, Like his voice is so weird. You know, he's got a bizarre but he got it. Yeah, like over yeah exactly, like I understand like why there's a cult of personality or you know, well and he yeah,

he gets very animated. Yes, he's like he's chaotic, evil, charismatic. Yeah, as opposed to and also he lets the white supremacists on his show, which is what you know, if we're if we're keeping for our Bell, we're gonna go with the narrative that but at least our Bell shut them down. Yeah, because that's what I'm saying. It's a lot of conspiracy

theories lead to lead over to white supremacy. Uh. A lot of the more recent conspiracy theories like Berthers and people like that are just straight up straight up racism. So it's interesting to talk We talked about this. This is what the podcast is. It's like we're like leftist conspiracy theorists and pat unite radical feminist conspiracy theories, but also like radical feminist conspiracy theories you know are real, are real, They're all true. Valerie Salanist what she knew? Yeah,

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radio shows. It was a proto It was a proto podcast um where he had on a Native American and he said shaman, and the shaman corrected him and said, shaman, there's no shame, and he was like, all right. But it was such it was such an interesting conversation. But art Bell had received of I think more than four thousand emails from people from callers, you know, an emailers,

saying that they've had experiences with shadow people. And here at nightcall we have received a couple of emails about shadow people who Hey, nightcallers, this is John in Chicago. And I don't have a ghost story per se, but I do have a shadow person story, and I'm curious

if others have shadow people stories. To share as well. Um. But this happened when I was living in Minneapolis when I was in college, and my girlfriend at the time and I were out for a walk, um really late at night, and there was nobody around, and um in the distance up on a hill, we could see a sort of silhouetted figure that was clearly wearing a top hat and Victorian garb of like a cape and a cane.

And I didn't think that much of it. I thought, perhaps it was an eccentric actor out from a show or a costume party or something. Maybe a little odd that he was walking alone that late at night. But I didn't really want to mention it either because I didn't want to call attention to it and scare my girlfriend. But I could tell that she was noticing it too,

And this is the part that's hardest to explain. So he started walking toward us from the hill, kind of coming in and out of these um street lights, but he would move at these intervals where he would skip several feet at a time, kind of coming at us like shuddering lee. And I was noticing it, but I

didn't want to acknowledge it. But then she eventually said she was getting scared, so she suggested we run, and we started running toward her house, which was around the corner, and as we started running, he started moving at us much quicker, so we ran into her house closed the door. She was very worked up. She was the daughter of an episcopal priest, so she suggested that we pray, which I found like a little much, but we did and

then didn't encounter him ever again. At the time, I didn't really know how to classify it, but later I would look it up online years later and realize not only did it match the shadow person description, but it matched a specific shadow person who's the hat man, and people see this hat man a solid black silouette. We never saw any facial features, which at the time I thought was just because it was late and it was

at night moving out of streetlights. But that's an attribute of shadow people, and um they usually portend something bad happening, like usually people see them indoors, and usually they're by themselves, and usually it means someone close to the person will die, and that didn't necessarily happen for us. The only thing I can think is that within the next year or two, both of our parents each set's got divorced and her

brother did die but years later. So I don't know exactly what it was that we saw what we experienced, but it was certainly otherworldly, and it's it's the description of shadow people in Hatman very closely. So I'm curious here what other people have seen. Thanks for the great show. Keep it up. That is so scary. I got chills listening to that. I'm looking up the hat Man. Yeah, look up the hat Man. I love that he was like,

maybe it was just a wandering lesbian. Um that the fact that you saw it with your girlfriend and that you both noticed the movement and everything is really freaky. That's always the thing that I have a hard time explaining when two people see the same thing. Are yeah, you're with somebody else or I don't know, Um, I'm not. I don't really know that much about shadow people are like what makes them differ from ghosts? Um? Or Like, does Babba Duke wear a hat? Y'all? Yeah, I think

that Baba Duke wears a hat. Yeah, Like the idea of like the hat but you can't see the face is like very scary. Slenderman doesn't wear a hat, right though he did? He seems like the type to wear a hat Slenderman some people. So I'm looking at the Wikipedia and it says that sometimes like people who suffer sleep paralysis. Um, it's tied in with sleep paralysis for sure. That's like, yeah, the Wikipedia really makes a point of that. But then it's I saw a shadow person out and

about and I've never had sleep paralysis. Shadow very talk about this. Oh my god? When and it so okay. I went to Boston. Um, I think it was actually over winter break of my I was in two thousand three, so you know, maybe like sophomore or junior year of college. And I went with my friend Rachel. We stayed at a hotel and we went out to see Something's Gotta

Give and ladies, nice context for you. We're leaving the theater and it's cold, like really cold, and we are walking out of the theater to our hotel and we see a figure walking towards us from very far away, and Rachel looked at me and was like, that person has no face and I was like, no, there, I think that's a scarf. And she was like, I'm really

freaked out. That person has no face. And so we were going to pass each other, and as they get closer, I see that they have like a hood and a big I don't know if it was like a parka or like a heavy coat. But their face was like a void and I didn't see there were no eyes, no facial features. And it turned it as we like passed it. We couldn't tell if it was a man or a woman or what. It turned and just kind of stopped and turned and stared at us, and we

just ran with its no face. It had no face, It had no eyes that it looked like just blankness. Like it was just like blackness. So was the features? Was the parka like did that look more or less normal? Was it just the place where the face should have

been that was dark? It was the place the place where the face should have been in the parka looked north, it looked I mean, it looked I don't want to like add any you know, I'm sure in retrospect, I'm like it was a creepy parka about the park it was. It was garb it was a cloak um. But it was weird because it was all alone. It was late at night, like you know, we were coming out of the movie. But other than that there wasn't much there.

I think it was actually a week night too, and it was cold, So I mean, when you see someone bundled up, it's not like that's strange. But what was weird is at the point that we would have been able to see facial features, there was nothing. And then when we were like right up on them, there was just nothing. There was no face. And you both worked about it for years after that. Yeah, And so how

close were you when it passed? We were like we were walking down the same side of the street, so we were probably like a foot away and you were in and there was nothing that we were in Boston. Something had to give. So both you and our collar. But if you and our collar saw them outside, which this Wikipedia is also telling me, they usually appear inside.

He yeah, he mentioned that too, that they like typically appear inside to people, which I feel like if I saw something like that inside, it would be like so obvious that you wouldn't like, there'd be no question, you'd be like, oh, that's a terrifying shadow person, an intruder in my home point. Yeah, and also with art Bell, I think a lot of the people who were calling

and writing in about it we're saying that. It was like you wake up in the middle of the night and there's this and sometimes a group of them just around you. Um, and I let the red eyes Sarah at you, and it's like plus your sweep paralysis. It like what a fun time. But you wake up from your sleep paralysis and you see shadow people. I knew

that sounds like the worst thing in the world. It's like you entered the level, the between level that always exists that you're sometimes accessing when you see the shadow people. But then it's like sleep paralysis. You're there. He was trapped there. Oh that was awful. Um. Wow. Made me think about the no faces from Spirited Away. Also, yeah, well there's there's there's but one no face, but it is the it was the best no face, not to be nothing nerd out about. Maybe those no faces are

are like shadow people cousins. I wonder what they want. I mean that they like what the shadow people want. Like, yeah, I guess that's the thing I can't understand, Like, what's the thought about what what makes them different? Are they a ghost? Are they a dead person like a spirit

of a dead person, or are wandering printer? Uh? I think The two theories are that they either come to kind of like be the opening act for some terrible thing that's gonna happen to you, or else they're like benevolent and they're just trying to make you aware of the spirit realm to like open your third eye, et cetera. Open test. I don't think it is, and I don't think it ever has been. You never saw another shadow person? No, I never saw another shadow person. That was the only

time it's happened. Nothing like terrible happened. I mean like medium terrible things happened, like I mean it was it was not a great year, but nothing catastrophic happened. I mean definitely. I was like, Okay, we're about to die. Man, this stuff is so scary. We should have like a caution to spooky warning on this week's your warning ghost is ghost warning. Just see the ghost emoji. Yeah, um, thanks for the call um that. Yeah, I'm gonna have

nightmares now for real. And I usually don't get scared by that kind of thing. And I gotta I gotta chill though. Oh I have another ghost story you guys. I know I was telling you that parenting boards often have the best ghost stories, and one of them, um that I read earlier today was a woman whose daughter said she looked at her and she said, you remind me of my other mommy. She had long blonde hair and long eyelashes. She put me in the bath with all my clothes on, and I stayed there forever? Is

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We're gonna put Emily through an audio haunted house right now. To preface, we were talking about this in between pauses during last week's recording, and you guys were freaking out over so to speak about this song Freaky Friday. And I was like, I've never heard this because I live in New York now and I never listened to the radio because I don't drive. Uh. And then I started to look up the lyrics and then I felt it

and I but I never listened to it. I listening to it will be an immersive haunt experience for your ears because it should this be a listen along. Yeah, so it's the worst song I have of all time? But is it the worst? But it's also a catchy songs, A very catchy song. Let's very freaky Friday for Emily I got an open mind right now. My third eye is open for freaky open mind and open ears. Okay, So Kendall get Jenner just showed up and that's the end of the song. That's the end of the song.

Play this song on the radio, the last the last lyric and the song is I've Got a Vagina, I'm going to learn the inner workings of a woman. And it's Kendall Jenner singing it, and then the song just ends. They play this on the radio like a hundred times a day. You know what, do you know what my takeaway from this? I don't know who Little Dickie is. I sound like a grandma right now. I know I know who everybody else knows. I know I know who

everybody Little Dickey guy, little Dickie, little Nikki. Is that his name, Little Dick Dick, little little little Dick nicks from Pennsylvania? Okay, sure, Pennsylvania. He's gott knows ring Does he look like g easy? He looks like the guy that freestyle raps at like the cafeteria. See, I know who Gezy is, But can you know who Geez he's dating? Is he still laying Laana? No? He dumped Laana for Halsey.

Was it wha It was a scandal, but also good for a lot of get away from serious crash man that that made me I had my doubts about okay, so um, so I just wanna I just want to say my gut take away from this song, which is that, Okay, So, I don't know who this guy is, but I know who everybody else is. These are all pretty at least among an under crowd. I would say that these are A listers, right, Yeah, everyone knows who had Cheering is. Everybody knows who cheer and had the biggest song of

the year last year. And Kendall Jenner is a popular model and a Kardashian and DJ Kalett is a walking meme. Everybody knows who these people are. This makes the people that are popular, This makes young people fucking stupid like that. That is my that is my takeaway is a two year old now. I just I feel bad that these are like the like these are the like hot celebs that they have, like they all sound like idiots for even walking into the studio for this thing. I'm I'm

embarrassed for them. Do you feel like the song requires too much world building. There's a I mean the fact that you're blaming the premise in the chorus, it's like a it's like a Huey Lewis song. It's like it's like a movie theme. Don't uh, don't you dare to same Huey Lewis on this podcast this is a pro Lewis podcast. But I'm saying that it's talking about the

Pineapple Express song. Yes, I'm saying like explaining the premise of the song, but especially doing it in the chorus, like I understand, like in the first verse you need to do some set up. Fine, sure, whatever, When you are actually saying I'm in Chris Brown's body in the chorus of the song, it feels like you maybe had too much to explain. It's also the weirdest person to pick of anyone to do this song, well, because it

wouldn't be that weird if it wasn't Chris Brown. But there's literally one reference to my controversial right, and that's like, but you're like, I don't think it would be great to be Chris Brown like at all. No, No, if you could, if you got to choose, like do you think he wrote it? Like I woke up in Kanye's body, and then Kanye was like hell no, and he was like, okay, Chris Brown, know, third down the list of people. I wonder how many people had to be asked before before

they got to Chris Brown. But it's also it's such a Chris Brown song, and what it does sort of well is remind you that there are some good Chris Brown songs and that they are very catchy. Oh look, you know what, like before all that should happen. I love No, we all loved Chris Brown. That's why it was so heartbreak. It was horrible. I mean and also like you know, he I don't know, he hasn't done the things you would need to do to get back to a place where people are absolutely muding for you.

He's done nothing to anybody. So it's weird that this would be his like his new hit, because uh, well it's just it's it's it's totally baffling as a career move for him at this point in his career, like what and then and then the fact that it's being played on the radio. I mean, I would almost more understand if if he did it and nobody cared, like it would just be like, oh, he's lost his mind. There's a hit. It's a hit. It's insane. It's insane

to me. God, people are fucking washed. I don't care. Like I am so glad to be in my fucking thirties. Dude. My parents have been going out like every night in New York. I stay out later than they see that later than me and my brother every night. What are they doing clubbing? Where do they go clubbing? Can we go with? They went to like Randy Weston's birthday jazz show. That sounds you know. I like the idea of a ninety two year old just being like the coolest person

in the world, which she is. Oh, for some reason, I thought you were saying it was like on ninety two Street. For some times it was also chill. That sounds amazing. I so, yeah, none of us are allowed to get washed? Is what is? You know? Well, I mean I think it's I think it's it's okay to look okay? Are we talking about this a lot? Like none of us, none of us have any fomo about being a teenager right now, because it seems like a horrible hellscape. Did you have any phone? This is this

is the big phono question. Did you have any phono about Coachella about you know why because I just watched Tom Sandoval from vander Pump's Rules entire Instagram story, which was like three posts about Coachella, and it was great. I felt like I was there. Oh, I thought you were going to say it looked exhausting, and I was like,

I'm so glad I'm not doing it. Did look exhausting, but I was like, I want to ingust this because it's like they go to every promo party, so they're like the all that stuff and they're like enjoying it, so it's like fun to watch. I mean, I watched Bachella on YouTube. I haven't even watched I watched it live and I stayed up and I was like, this is exhausting for people on the East Coast. So yeah, you were out here. I mean, I was that happened when I was fast asleep. I was not. I mean,

I'd love to watch it at some point. It's great. It was amazing, And then Cardi B was amazing. Yeah, she um got booked in a slot that was like not a headlining slot because it was before like her album came out. She got booked a long time ago. But then obviously she became a much, a much bigger deal by the time it happened, and she looked great. She wore this outfit that was like a tribute to Left Eye. She twerked pregnant. It was great. Cool. Yeah,

it was a really fun show. I mean I did kind of wish I was at this year's obviously, Um, but there's no way I'm gonna There's no way I'm going to get my body out there. What if you woke up and cats, well, I'm pregnant. Uh yeah, there's already someone, So there's no meme for you. Occupy. I want the party V remix a Freaky Friday with her and her unborn child. That would be amazing. Yeah, I'm

sure there's a million parody songs of this. I mean, that's the thing is, it's like when a song is constructed to be a meme like that, it just feels cynical because you're like, the best memes aren't constructed though, like right, because like, look, if you want to feel depressed, you should just read about how Little Dickey wanted to raise like seventy thousand dollars to produce his sophomore I think album and instead raised like a hundred and twenty

thousand dollars or something, and he wants to be a comedian. Is he a YouTuber? I was like really wanting to hate a little Dickie and the song you love Him, And also the song was really catchy and t singing Mustard putt. I like it on some level. And then also you just aart like walking around going man, cruis bounds bod. It's not the thing you want to be walking around. But and yet this is why I'm washed, because my my music right now, I'm like, I haven't

heard Freaky Friday. I've just been rediscovering Magnetic Fields and all the Magnetic Field side projects and uh, you know, human humming sad songs to myself all day. The songs are also catchy. Yeah, well that I'm washed, And don't I don't. I don't give a funk. I'll take the Stephen Merritt cover a Freaky Friday. You're gonna hear it. It writes itself, that is a melody. That is a

Stephen Merritt melody. Ule It's a Stephen Merriton. Good job. Well, Well, if you guys want to make Friday you're freaky Friday, a little spooky or spooky Saturday. Perhaps we have time for one more ghostly night call. This night call comes to us from Kate, and I'm just gonna kind of summarize the beginning because it's a little long. But she's a librarian and uh at a museum, and she says that her workplace is haunted, and uh she has seen three separate ghosts kind of off and on throughout her

time her time working in there. So she says, the first ghost is a woman dressed in late early nineteenth early twentieth century clothing, and she carries a rifle. I'm located in the Southwest, so this isn't too much of a surprise. She was a former head librarian and according to the staff, she keeps guard over the collections. She resides in a specific area in the stacks in reading room, and if things get out of order, she will get annoyed and make it more difficult for you to find

what you need until you clean the area up. For example, I was looking for a folder of photos I know was in a specific box because I saw it the day before, but the next day it had disappeared. Sure enough, when I spent some time reshelving and checked the box later in the day. The folder was where it should have been. The second ghost is a man who haunts as somewhat somewhat deserted area of the stacks that used to house offices when we had much a much larger staff.

I don't know much about him, but he seems the most aggressive of the three. When I was walking up the stairs to that area one time, I felt a hard bop on the top of my head, like a hand hitting it. I looked around, but there was nothing there, and there's no way any part of the ceiling could have fallen on me. I mentioned the incident to a colleague, who then said she was coming down those stairs one time and she felt two hands on her back, almost as if she was being pushed. She didn't fall, but

it was a strong sensation. I'm not sure what her what his deal is, but I'm always a little careful when I go up or down those stairs. The last is another woman who haunts another area of the stacks. She's dressed in all white and also in early twentieth century close. I've only seen her out of the corner of my eye, but she haunts the area where her

personal collection sits on the shelf. We have a lot of personal artifacts that people have donated over the years that have sentimental value, so I'm not surprised the owner's energy may be tied up to those objects. And then she says that she has a volunteer who's seen things like pencils being thrown and and uh, cobwebs have have had some movement in them and stuff. But yeah, that's uh, that's three, three ghosts haunting a library. I feel like

ghosts are a ghost in libraries. I feel like are now They feel so appropriate, I think just because of Ghostbusters, but because it's like spooky down in the stacks. Yeah, if you were a ghost, wouldn't you want to be

in a library? Yeah? Well, there's always that feeling of like cool or even if you're not in a basement or something, but like in in some stacks, so there's nobody walking around, or you feel like you're in some in a really big library, you feel like nobody's been down this this corridor for a while, and that that kind of like chilly energy. I think. Also you're like surrounded by ideas and words and stuff and it's it's it's a charged area. Books are a lot discover the

power of books. Um, they come out of the books and then they eat soule. Would you be afraid to be a librarian who had like a night shift if you lived in if you worked in a in a big old library, in a museum library like that, I would welcome my ghost friends. Great, I think, yeah, maybe it's also just like to break up the break up the workflow you have some ghosts around. Well, thank you

very much, Kate for your for your email. Scary at a library than like a meat packing facility, Yeah, you know, yeah, I mean there are a lot of literally places I might be the night watchman. I think in me, I think your your position as the night watchman as a meat at a n meat factory happened like many alternate

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