The Yogurt Comes with a Cult

Check out Weird in a World That's Not. Welcome to Night Call. I'm very excited to be here. We're very excited. Um. The first thing we were going to talk about today is a really important moment, uh in culture in so many ways. Kylie Jenner took her lip implants out. Maybe wait, so is this confirmed by Kylie or is this something

that we've just noticed confirmed with a k UM. I think she posted a picture and somebody said it looks you look like the old Kylie and she confirmed She said, yeah, I got my lip injections out, which is a really complicated process. How do you do it? Well? I don't I don't actually know, but I think I think that you have to inject another thing in to dissolve the thing, and then I think it takes like twenty four to four eight hours to whatever that chemical compound is the strength.

I mean, this whole thing sounds so gross. I think it's interesting to think about, like shriveling the thing inside your lip that is making it bigger. I just want to know if it leaks out or if your body absorbs what used to be like this little like deflo aided kind of Can your lips feel anything like it? Because lips are so sensitive, Like when you're doing all of that and shrinking them and blowing them up, what

do they feel? That's a really hard question. I mean, I'm just imagining like the sensation of deflation that must and how are they not super wrinkly. Did she get something in them to like plump them up naturally? They just kind of look like they used to. It's really interesting. I don't think I knew you could go back. It's just a strange choice for her, Like what does it

make so much sense? It's because like it's been the time for it to end for a while now, you know, like the look became the Kylie Jenner look became so prevalent with like lip implants really really strongly drawn on eyebrows. We've talked so much about the full trows microblading a lot because I didn't know what it meant. I thought it meant vanilla eyes, eyebrows. Also dying your eyebrows. Everybody's dyeing their eyebrows. That's just a lot of eyebrows, you know.

And then I think Mary H. K Choi was saying recently that like it's it's time for like thin nineties eyebrows to come back, Like if that has to be nice, no, it is going to be next. You know what's really weird? But I noticed I went to a kid's art show recently, and all of the drawings of people or animals had eyebrows. And when I was a kid, nobody like, you didn't do eyebrows until you were like fifth grade or so, and then you were like, wait, there's more things on

the face than just what I know. But I feel like kids now, it's like the eyebrows are so prominent that they're like they're like stick figures and they don't have noses, but they have like really crazy eyebrows, because they don't know a world without eyebrows like we do. I know I lived in that world. Did you guys have really skinny nineties brows? I know the answer for one of you, yes, I did, and they never I had these great, like Brookshields brows at one point, and

then I did that thing and they never really came back. No, they never come back. Yeah. Well that is Kim Kardashian's main regret, she says, was getting her baby hair and like eyebrows laser when she was younger, because you can't on laser, you yeah, uninject, but you can't. Yeah. Yeah, that one was like, oh, like my one ethnic feature I got rid of, and now I wish I also heard my whole personality. I mean, yeah, I saw a picture, don't.

I don't even know how I got there, but I ended up last night on a page of photographs of a two thousand nine J C. Penny Charlotte Ronson store opening, and it was like a really long time ago in Kim Kardashian's space. And then just like all of those like two thousand celebrities like Lohan in Paris, Hilton and all those people, and I was just like, what a horrible time I miss I missed, but also so innocent. I miss Kim Kardashian's old face, but not her old

old face. There's like a face in the middle that that's what everyone says she reached, but you can't, you can't help but go into the uncanny valley. I think her face is just meant for print, It's just meant to be still. And like you see, it's interesting about her is when she laughed, she always covers her mouth

like she's very uncomfortable with her movement of her face. Yeah, I think that's true of all of them, and I've thought I've also thought about that a lot, because especially Kylie, her face is like for Instagram and her makeup is for Instagram because it's like stage makeup. It's like if you see someone in real life with that much makeup on, you're like, wow, that's a lot of makeup for daytime.

But that's hot. Yeah, but that's just the look now. Also, it's like it also just that's the thing, is just young girls who have like a shipload of makeup on that they don't need. I spent a long time on Haley Baldwin's Instagram page. We should talk about that too. Yeah, congratulations Haley Baldwin and Justin Bieber soon to be newlywed. So you had a poll on Twitter, I think Molly about who who would make it to the aisle first,

or like what would happen first? And it was Haley Baldwin and Justin Bieber, um Pete and Ariana or like the world just engulfing itself in flames? Is that you? Okay? Just someone else, added Jackson Brittany, who also are engaged. But that's like a whole, it's like a long yeah. Well, uh, you know, getting engaged can be a great publicity stunt

for somebody like Justin Bieber or Ariana Grande. And then somebody conspiracy Theory pointed out they have the same manager, Scooter Braun, and they were like, the devil works hard, but Scooter Braun works harder. And Ariana responded and was like, just because two people are in love, it doesn't mean it's a publicity stunt. So I think she and Pete or for real, I mean that tattoos are forever. The

tattoos are forever. I'm really enjoying. They're like, I don't know it feels like natural born killers, and I love it. You know, I'm just like, I'm worried about them. They seem like kids to be crazy. Worry. No. I love a folly. I love when two people go insane like together, because that's what love is all about. I think they're all getting engaged because they want to project the summer Instagram kind of fine. I think it's the summer of instant It's like, what's the best life. We're all having

the best. Meanwhile, it's like a hundred and fifty degrees and everybody just goes away for like six months. It feels like, well, that's the thing people's trips on Instagram. It's like the time is worked. So you're like, is this person still in fucking vacations? Yes, because of the timeline while they've been gone for three months. Listen to

this ic coffee though, it's very refreshing. So Molly and Emily and I have all gotten our fab fit Fun Summer Editors boxes, and we were like shocked at how much we loved these things. They are really awesome. If you don't know, fab fit Fun is a seasonal subscription box for women to discover new products for a life well lived. But it also had it just covers all of the bases of the things that you would want

in a subscription box. That had a lot of makeup, a lot of bath items, and some like really cool kind of gap. You're really excited about it. We did the unveiling. I guess it wasn't public, but me and Testa and Emily we're all texting each other pictures of the things we got in the box. Yeah, that's sponge a lot, that's sponge. It makes your whole bathroom smells so good for like two weeks, it was insane. I really liked the chorus shower gel in. Yes, it was

so good. I got really up touched with it and I think I'll definitely buy it again. The other nice thing is that if you like something, you're not dealing with like a tiny, little trial size, everything is full size. So yeah, it's all like full size products, and there's like a lot of things in the box and they fancy. Yeah, we like super fans. We liked them all. Yeah, so I think the Summer Editor's Box, they all kind of vary, but you get a really cute train case, um haab

a mineral hand cream. I super loved and it was like a giant. And here's the thing that you loved the most is the Spongeel Papaya, Uso box Flower body wash and fused buffer. Oh my god. Well, first of all, I loved it, but I also felt really bad because normally with that kind of stuff, I will let my kids like play with our experiment with it, and I

was like, don't touch it. It's it's mine. Um. You also get one from each of the following sets, the Furio Luna Phofo or Trina Turk Turkish towel, the shower dell that we talked about. Oh did you try the lip palette. Yeah, it's amazing, really good. Yeah, you were wearing it when I saw you the other night. I was The Ish Lift Statement palette is the one that I got. The other one I think is the Doctor

brand Pore is no More luminizer. But the Ish lip palette is really good, and it also is nice because it doesn't like dry you out, which some of them do. There was a really cool gadget. It's the softest feeling thing. You put it on your face and it like vibrates and it tells you how old you're it's amazing worth getting obsessed over. Um So, anyway, if you want to sign up for a fab fit fund today to get your summer Editors box, you can use our code nightcall

to get ten dollars off your first box. You go to fab fit fun dot com to sign up and start getting the box for a life well lift. Use prom code nightcall to get ten dollars off your first box, which is over two for only. Go to fab fit fun dot com and use our code Nightcall to get ten dollars off your first fab fit Fund box. I kind of like other people's vacation, Jen, you had a really great vacation, Jen, Come on, you went to Malta did but it's all forgotten. Like that's the other thing

about time on Instagram. I did good Malta. It was amazing. It was like Europe in the seventies, the best thing that ever happened. It looked amazing and you were there. Are all these pictures of you, like wandering cobblestones, looking like the food pictures were also pretty good. Um I, but it also looked genuinely like a beautiful, cool place. I don't know, I guess because I'm like always just hot and sweaty in my apartment. I like, take a

vacation with my eye. But you you've taken some like brief you'll go to the beach, for instance, which is like, you know, it's a formidable drive, Like that's that's not nothing that takes effort. I love the beach d vacation. Yeah, I know. But it's funny though, because it's like I wanted to be off Instagram when we were on that trip, and I had this old dad friend who was like, do do me a favor, just get off Instagram? And I was like, but will it even happen if I'm

not on Instagram? Like I just couldn't stop. You can't. You just know, it's like it's it's almost like an obligation. Yeah. Emily Yoshida was on her honeymoon and posted some amazing uh forest crab Instagram. He said that they, well, we talked about this. We talked about stop talking about these forest crabs. They were crabs in a forest. They were it was raining so hard they thought it was the ocean.

So they were like climbing around on rocks and being super cute and poll and just it was very hot here. It was so hot. But I like watched that video a hundred times because I was like, this is making me feel better, you know, And like I've been watching this reality show made in Chelsea that's all about like just really posh people in England who all their problems are about like Love Triangle because they have no financial problems,

you know. They just like go on vacations and shop all day and hate each other, hate each other and be mean. It's a great show. But I follow them all on Instagram and like they're all on like yachts, but I like to look I like to be like sure speaking of a courting Kardashian, he's bringing back like it's She's obviously the smartest court Kardashian, at least this summer, you know, like she's just in Italy or someone was saying she didn't want to be a Kardashian with she

seems like she opts out the most. She's always she's always been the most interesting and the smartest. Her mistakes have been more compelling mistakes. You know. Her insecurity is like a little more who among us cannot relate to like being in love with Scott Disick and like not knowing what to do about it, you know, although I don't know, I feel like it was a more strategic move than that. I think she was like, you have good genes, I would like children with you. Boom boom boom,

And now I'm in a dated young bull. It always made sense at the time, but also like I loved the Kardashian arc for a long time and then I got bored of it. But I can I never was on the train, and now it's almost like they're just fine art where I'm like I just see pictures of

them and feel like I get enough. There was a lot of like a lot of like real trauma came in, you know, like Scott's parents both died and he wouldn't deal with it, and then he just like went to the club all the time instead, and it was so dark, you know, he was like drunk at seven am. Yeah. Carrie Batan wrote this amazing article a while ago about him, where it was about how he was like his career is getting paid to go to clubs to be Scott to say, but he has all these addiction issues, so

like he can't but he can't like stop. If he stopped drinking and partying, he can't be in the club without partying, and if he stopped partying, he wouldn't get paid anymore. He had like an Instagram that was like a Span Cohn and he just cut and pasted the copy and all the ad words in it. Yeah, it was like ad personal experience. It was the best. Yeah, what is your guy's favorite summer Instagram? Mostly? Mostly I have to say I've been digging Courtney Kardashian. I've really

been like, there's so much like good Italian China. There's like so many foods. You know, what's the best summer Instagram? I wanted to talk about this. Amy Nicholson and Kazakhstan. Yes, yeah, yes, do you follow this? I've seen I've seen it since it's been in my highlights. Yeah, Amy Nicholson. Our friend is on a trip to Kazakhstan because she went to

the Kazakhstan Film Festival. And she's in a town called Astara, which was apparently built in and it's just like a giant, crazy Las Vegas city that is all a tribute to this one like sort of dictator seeming leader, the president. And she just does it so well. She does like people who do it well and people who don't like your people who are like, Okay, you don't have to humble brag, you don't have to be self condo. Just it's just she went by herself and she's like just

instagram storying all this crazy stuff she's been seeing. There's been like three circuses. She's yeah. She was like, yeah, so I'll start like the big tourist attractions are these three giant malls. One of them has like an indoor beach in it. They all have like an amusement park inside. I was like, this is the best, and she was like, oh, I knew you would, like yeah, just like a Jurassic Park ride rip off in that's amazing. She went to another film festival in Turkey that she had posted amazing

photos from. It's just like she'll go to these film festivals and then I get to go to a place like Kazakstan I know nothing about, and it turns out the part she's in is like all weird, like pyramid tomb.

That sounds amazing. She also seeks out the weird and she like accepts the you know, whatever comes from the experience, which seems great, But um, I mean I'm saying that because She's posted about how they keep serving her horse at things and how she is polite enough to eat it or not to say no. You know, it's a cultural well we've all been to Ikea, so yeah, you know what you didn't remember what the meatballs are made

out of horse. There was a thing a couple of years ago where they tested They were like, what's in these meatballs? And then they were like, oh, it's horse, but they did not say it was horse. But I am an Ikea meatball addict, and I also love horses. I rode horses for a long time, and I still was like, I'm sure it's fine. Maybe not in America. Maybe it's just the meatballs in Sweden. I don't know. I like convinced myself that did some bargaining I did.

I was like, please, let's go back. If you're eating meat, you're eating That's what I'm saying. If you're eating meat, you're like making making. The double part is that I think it was trace amounts of horse. I don't think it was mostly horse. Well, if it's one horse that dies over the course of like, it's because meAll, you know, I hate that. I know this, it's because horse me is like cheap, right, Well, because horses, when they become lame, you have to put them down. Is that what the

glue factory is? Yeah? No, Wait, didn't really really make them into glue. I mean I think they used to. I think it may have been ethical blue only. Speaking of ethical glue, can we talk about the forty four dollar yogurt? Oh my god, Oh my god. Wait, I already forget what it's called. It was like it was called yogurt cult or something coconut cult. It's forty four dollar yogurt. I mean, it's at lessons, which I should never go into, but it's I walked in, I was like,

what is this coconut yogurt? And then I looked down at the price and it was I just can't How how did you not like look at all the ingredients to suss out what? I mean? I don't know. I think I was so disturbed and embarrassed to be buy it. I didn't want anybody to see me picking it up a picture exactly to take a picture of what's happening to us is a culture that we're buying forty four dollar yogurts. I'll turn upon intend buys that who buys.

And what I said earlier was if there had been weed in it, because I've also seen like cookies and are like twenty five bucks and lassons and I'm like, oh, that is weed in it, ok, but it's CBD. Yeah. And it's not even fun weed in CBD yogurt. No, No, it was just plain probiotic whatever. It was like Jamie Lee Curtis large with it. I mean it was like the normal like family size. It wasn't like the small container, but it was like not that. It wasn't like you

get it for a month. I mean, you know, a couple of couple of yogurts in granola and you're done. I'm totally planning to visit this yogurt, like paying audience to the yogurt. There's like a flamingo on it. For no reason. I'm always interested in like what is the most expensive like silly homeopathic products, because somebody's going to buy it because they'll be like forty dollars, it must be the best. Yeah, yeah, like this has to be better than the than the Jamie Lee Curtis yogurt. Are

probiotics a scam? Or is it real? I mean probiotics are real. The question is like do they really hang out in your guts or do they just know that there's so many different kinds of probiotics and like it doesn't like I don't know how much good bacteria do you need. We all are a little bit interested in, like I want to say, snake oil. Yeah, test wasn't the oil pulling for a while, and that's right for

outing you as an oil puller. You've done it twice now it's like, well, I thought it was fascinating because I was like, what if that's? What if that works? Here's the oil in your mouth? Yeah, and like spit rins it around minutes gen how do you not get long? You do get but you're like I want white tea. Yeah, but to be fair, it's cheap because it was coconut oil. It makes it makes your teeth really clean. But that my dentist was like, you could do it with water.

I was like oh, and they're like it's just the exact same thing. You're just like basically flossing or like you could do it with like mouthwash. It's like the same mouthwash. You know. I gotta say I'm very skeptical of mouthwash because the alcohol in mouthwash is like bad I mean speaking of good bacteria, you're just like zapping all of it. Yeah, but you should zap all the bacteria. My dentist was like, why don't you gargle with bleach? What about all? What? Wait? What what did you do

to your dentists? Well? I have I have messed up teeth for for many reasons, but one of them some of them in my own fault. But when I knocked them out of wedding once. But anyway, I am. He was like, he was like, you have so much bacteria. I think that you should I think that you should try bleach. And I was like, okay, this is really messed up. I can't, like I'll die right um. Anyway, Also today in lessons they have ear candles. Don't do that. They're all in these like buckets and you can't pick

them out. You have to bring the whole If you want one, you bring the whole container up to the counter and they pick one out for you and wrap it. And I was like, this seems there's something wrong about the will is right for you. You should never do that because first of all, like you can light yourself on fire. But second of all, I was reading about someone who did that and it melted the ear wax and then plugged their ear and then they had to go to the doctor and have it vacuum. Oh yeah,

I think you're definitely not supposed to do your candle. No, you can't mess with your ears. You want to, it seems like they're there to be messed with, but you're not supposed to. Not even que chips. No, I know, we all learned a valuable lesson from that one episode of Girl. Yeah, that was like TV movie about like, don't do that. It was very effective, was very effective. I said that you should dump like a half cup of bleach in your bath water to like cure psoriasis

or something, and call is not endorsing bleach. But if we were sure that there are some things you could do, No, don't do that, guys, don't do bleach. Uh, but maybe you could, like gargle with yogurt. Yeah, gargle with coconut yogurt in the coconut cult from the coconut cult. Maybe if you eat the yogurt, you like join a cult. May maybe that's it, maybe it comes or like maybe it's a cult. That makes yogurt, and that's how they support the cult. That's why it's so expensive because that's

the only idea. Well, that's how some cults make money. As I thought about this, have you ever thought about making yogurt um more recently? Yes? What in order to make yogurt you need yogurt, which just to me like blows my mind. I'm like, if I'm buying yogurt to make yogurt, how is it making anything? There's a place and silver like that teaches you how to make you. Emily was treating about how everybody needs hobbies and I was like, I agree. I love hobbies. I want more

hobbies all the time. I made a friendship bracelet. Today I want to learn how to make soap. Maybe we should get chickens. My friend has chickens. They're so cool. They're assholes though chickens are not nice. Oh, we didn't talk about this in advance, but I'm just gonna throw it at you guys. Do you guys have feelings about the couple on the plane the creepshot. Entire feeling is that they are awful and I hate them. The couple are the person who set the people who set people

who set them up. So first them doesn't know, but I'm sure everybody does know because it was like mind blowing the viral for something that was ethically okay, So things always tell what it is. It was these people live tweeting that they were like setting up the people

next to them on a date. It was a couple, and then they weren't sitting together, so they asked a woman to switch seats with them, and then the woman sat next to a guy and they were there flirting, and they were live tweeting the flirting and like live tweeting like the couple look hanging out and just live tweating every moment of their interaction in this super creepy way, and then implied that the couple went and had sex in the bathroom, which was like a bridge too far

for anybody. I think the whole thing was creepy from the get go. And then they posted a picture like the people's faces blurred out, which was super creepy. Like the woman that they of the couple. The guy was like a former soccer player I think in personal training. Yeah, they docks and then the internet docs the woman. Yeah, but the woman was like, I'm not going to appear on the Today Show to talk about that she didn't

be weird expla part of it. And I think that is the thing we all talk about and think about a lot on this podcast, is like surveillance, surveillance, and like when is it okay to take a photo of a stranger and when is it not? It's like probably never okay, okay, but also find her own content. It depends.

I don't know, because I think about that a lot, because I'm like, if you take a photo of just like a place that you are and there's like people in the photo, and then you post a photo online, but like singling out one person, I've done it, but I not in a while. I one time saw Instagram influence or at a restaurant we were at and I saw her taking pictures and then I looked at her feed and I was like, oh, there I am really

and I was just like this world is wrong. I was someone tried to tape me on a plane once when my daughter was having like a really bad my daughter's clustrophoba. She's a baby cloustrophobe, and she was like one year old and she wouldn't chill and we were for six hours, she screamed. But it was so crazy because he did he tried to shame you by taping. He tried to shame me by taping me. He got up in my face and was like talking into his phone being like, oh god, it's like I'm in hell

right like two in just from my face. And it was super crazy because I was like, the balls on this guy, what are you doing. The overarching messages that planes are like crazy spaces planes. Nobody should be allowed to do anything on a plane. Nobody who knows what to do because it's like it's supposed to be glamorous, but it actually is just like riding on a really crowded bus in the air. But you're like trapped in the air with all these people, so like any interactions

you have, you're like you can't escape. It's also strange because it's one of the places where the rules there are so many rules for adults that there's this weird thing of like you feel like you're a child and that in the crew or like your your bosses, yeah, and like well you have to like enter into the t s a space, so it's very like you feel very you know, nobody he feels like chill and there's a social code and people break it all the time. It was like a lot of feet, so many feets many.

But I also like like when people when somebody has like there, you know, the person next to them is like putting their feet up, and they take a photo of that. That's passenger shaming that whole Instagram account. Oh see. So there's so much just like shaming, I guess involved in social media and that I think. I mean, I don't know is there ever good shaming? Is it ever good to like share somebody's foot and be like put your put your foot away. Yeah, it's not. You become

the rude that I think that's it. It's like when you take the picture and you're like, look at this chump. Then it's like then you're you chump yourself. Yeah, maybe it just can't be visu Maybe I also I'm just a luddite and I'm like we shouldn't have Wi Fi on planes, you know, like maybe those experiences should just be like suffered through and then by the time you land, you're just happy to be there, so you just kind of leave all the grossness of the plane behind you. Well,

I kind of now like Loki don't fly. Yeah, you hate to fly. I hate to fly. I have to take so many drugs to fly because of that guy. But then also like at one point, I like noticed that I had some like weed edibles on me on my way to an airport and just ate them all. And it was like a lot of I was like, oh no, I can't fly with this, like I'll just eat them all. And then I was flying virgin and I never had before, and it was like, you know, it's like you're like, I'm in the club. And then

I like I was like what should I do? So I had a bloody mary. This is like before I had kids, and I was so it was just horrible. I was like, die edibles. I feel like, no, that sounds like my worst nightmare too. I mean, you ate them all. I ate them all. I was alone. Needless to say, high out the plant sounds like a nightmare too. I don't like people take with people like eat weed or I don't even were planes. I don't even understand how people like drink on planes. I just sleep. I

just pass out. There's situations where you shouldn't be stoned. I got I got really super stone one time I was invited to the Emmy's from like Buyout brand, and I was like with all these very girly girls, and I was very uncomfortable and anxious, and so I was like, I'll just smoke this big joint and then it was the worst nightmare of my life. That was really just

there's places you should not be stolen. I think. Yeah, mine I remember was that I had to find a library book once and I got really stoned, and then I was like I should have gotten stoned to do this. This is like a thing that is like easy when you're sober, and yeah, impossible. It took like three hours, and I think I got locked in the line. You think it's going to be fun everywhere, and like it's not.

It's stating. I never understood people who would like get stoned for high school all day, oh, because the clock spins backwards during like maybe take longer. It's not like fun to be stoned in school. You're just like I'm in school. Also, if you're doing like a customer service job, it's the way. Yeah, I remember that when I worked for like Payola music magazine. Uh, that was the first time I experienced getting high at work and I was like,

maybe it'll make it more fun. And then I was like, actually the video video store, Like sitting there, you're just like, get the video store, record store, podcasting, retail, actually retail. Though. I was working at the mall and I did get stoned time, just one time, and I remember trying to fold a shirt with a collar and like, all of a sudden, it just looked like someone was like, here makes like a Glorian for you. Guys are both waitresses. Oh my god. It was just I just get stone

waiting tables all the time. It's always a mistake. And I remember one time a customer came back. I've forgotten about them and I was back. I was like in the back eating a cake, and and it is your worst night man. Yeah. My favorite thing about this idea is that Freaksing Geeks episode where Lindsay Weir gets really stoned for the first time and then has to babysit.

And you always see people getting high and it's fun on TV, but that episode where she gets high and she just then has to do something where she's responsible, she just can't do it, you know, speaking of me not being that cool, We've had some feedback on the bike shorts issue, but I would like to share, Um, I've really come around to bike shorts in the weeks since I said I wasn't. I wasn't into them. This is a night email from night Email or Nora called

bake shorts. I'm like two weeks late. But nobody whose thighs touch can survive summer without them. I think the reason it became popular with Instagram thoughts is because a lot of them are thick. Fashion Nova also caters to the thick population. Trickle down thickonomics, if you will. I think that is a great argument, And my only counter argument is that the reason I think just like loose shorts are more appealing is because like everybody's just sweating

so much. I feel like the tight shorts seem like they would be less cool on the body. No, but she has a really good point, because if you wear the loose shorts, they actually chafe when your thighs are up together, like the fabric ends there and so it chafes worse. And if you have something that fits exactly and kind of holds you in, then you're not going

to get the chafe. I started wearing them under skirts, and that's my kid does, and I was like, that looks comfortable and I just started doing it this year and I love it. Yeah. Yeah. Darcy Wilder at Night Night Call fan has also talked about how her summer look has been bike shorts and like a big old T shirt and I was like, that seems very appealing. Also, not that you mentioned it, um, So yeah, I changed my opinion on on bike shorts. Bike shorts are good

bike George for all. Maybe not for me personally, but maybe I'll try someone and see how I feel. Maybe not from men, yeah, maybe speaking of men and fashion. Oh yeah, this one's a little bit old, but I just pulled up a night called that we wanted to address on the podcast. So this comes from Kate richardson

Dear Night Call. I've been studying for the July bar exam and I came across this question in the studying materials and she sent us a picture that will try and post on the social media accounts, but it's a hypothetical situation. Niles is prosecuted for the murder of his brother Frasier misspelled with a Z. Niles and Daphne are a married couple. Niles comes home on the night of Fraser's demise, wearing a bloodstained Armani top coat, which Daphne observed.

At trial, prosecutor calls Daphne to the stand to testify to her observations about Nile's top coat, but she refuses to testify. The prosecutor seeks to compel her testimony. Assumed Daphne is willing to testify against Niles. In addition to the top coat observation, she seeks to testify to the following Niles told me when he got home that he stabbed Frasier Nile's objects, she says, thought you might appreciate it.

I find it very odd that they chose to set the hypo and the Frasier verse gets spelled his name wrong. Extra weird since they got the details right. Armani top coat. That is so fascinating. Guys. Uh, you know, I love when a textbook reveals itself as being written by a human being. Exactly. Yeah, it seems a little more fun, although I won't want to answer that question. Yeah, very fascinating. It seems hard and it's like I got the idea

also of bringing murder into the Fraser verse. I mean that would actually be like a reboot that I could totally get involved with this, Like all of a sudden, it's just very dark, like someone has been slain. They're like after the Roseanne reboot, the hot thing is like remaking shows and killing off the character that the show is named for, Niles is a serial killer. Yeah. Well that also, like it feels like a crossover with The Simpsons.

You know where the brothers cream are such a Bob and I forget what the brother is named to Niles place. Oh yeah, there's like an episode where they have both brothers and it's like very Fraserie. And then it turns out that like the Niles Brothers like framing side Showbob and side Showbob is actually innocent. Such a Bob is terrifying. I was just going to say that I had to stop watching The Simpsons as like a kid, because I was like, this guy is terrified. That's what I mean.

He's a great character. I went back later and really loved it, but like as a child, that's like it's just too much. Yeah, I mean, it's too dark. There's some crossovers with things about Kelsey Grammer, like the just the Gilbert and Sullivan stuff, so weird was one of those shows you watched. I mean before there was like

cable that was just always on. It was like Coach. Yeah, I've seen Coach a lot, so much, just so much Coach because I would come one from waitressing and I had like three channels and I was like, oh, Coach. I guess the nineties were just a really big time

for like aeradite serial killers. Yes, that's also true. Um. Speaking of which, speaking of serial killers who write letters, nice Jen asked me what show to watch, and I recommended a show called The Hunt for the Zodiac Killer that is a five part documentary from last year on the History Channel. Why don't we miss that? I don't know. That's like something that Netflix should have pushed on you. I thought it must have been a new because I

was like, how would I not know about this? It's impossible. I watched the little thing, Jen, how much did you get through? I only watched the first one I was. I really couldn't believe how much it reminded me of storage bars. It just feels like it is a very similar production, where no, it's just it's just the way it's set up in the driving and everything. And then my other favorite thing is that Seal is that his name has the worst nickname in the world old, which

is lap D murder Cop. It's like like that's like all of them. It's not, it's exactly what a sah. It's like a great travel show that happens to be about the Zodiac murders, because what it is is like a real life version of Zodiac the Movie of just like driving up and down California and this guy who was this x L a p D officer supposedly, but who seems like a real TV cop. He looks like

a dragnet, like a guy you'd cast. No, it's just kind of hard boiled looking, and they just drive up and down California trying to get police departments to open files about the Zodiac murders related in those counties. Because the whole thing about Zodiac the Movie is that the Zodiac murders happened around different parts of California, and that because California is so big, it was very difficult to

coordinate between. So the reason they didn't figure out it was like a trail of the same person for a long time was because the murders were sort of happened in different countries, so it became like a bureaucratic mess. It became a bureaucratic mess. They didn't have email, you know, or fax machines, so it was like you wanted to go get the records from Vallejo and bring them to

San Francisco. Uh and dropbox. Yeah, and so on this on this show, they are investigating also some murders that happened before the official timeline of the Zodiac murders, but that are believed by some to be Zodiac murders as well, and that they were trying to use a lot of new DNA technology and stuff and some of the stuff that got the Golden State killer case solved. So did they just make this Yeah? They made it in like

ten minutes, like let's go nice. They made it. It was on December of last year apparently, And sometimes it's the whole thing. But basically it introduces these two really strong candidates for being the Zodiac that you've never heard of before that a knowledge. Okay, not the guy who's son was like, it's not that guy, not Arthur Lee Allen. These are two guys that I had never heard of. My boyfriend who follows that stuff, even more was like, oh, yeah,

those guys at Um. I don't think so, but there's a Gilbert and Sullivan connection now that I think about it. Yeah, there's like a lot of stuff in the Zodiac letters about the Makado. He quotes the Macado a bunch of times. And they at one point find out that one of these suspects lived like in the San Francisco theater district and liked the scene at the theater seeing the Mikado. Everybody took note of him because he was like a giant man everybody, you know, he was like and he

was drawing hieroglyphics on the wall. Yeah. And also they get into like all these different zodiac suspects that also have like code knowledge, Like one of the guys it's it goes to Riverside, starts on Riverside, you know. It's basically like there's a murder river side. This girl was murdered by a guy who worked in the library and who was a major in code made a like learning how to do ciphers and codes, and he was like a theater student. Uh. And he was a real tall, blonde,

scary looking guy with glasses. It looks like the zodiac. Um, and then he murdered this girl. And it is a really good documentary because it goes off in a million weird directions. Uh. They program a supercomputer to emulate the zodiac, the Supercarmel. It's amazing. That's the other thing is they're also simultaneously trying to solve one of the zodiac ciphers that's never been broken. It's like Zodiac letter like three forty or something. We're talking about the next show should

just be about Carmel like taking over everything. Okay, well, I not to spoiler alert, but in like episode four three or four, so no, but it starts generating its own zodiac letters. Um, it starts writing its own weird zodiac poetry because they've put all of the information into it about how Yeah. I was like, when if it starts making phone calls, like, you're also screwed. It's such

a weird turn. I was trying to sell Jen and Alex on it at your barbecue on the fourth of July, and I was saying, I was like, it's great because like in the first episode there's all this hard evidence and then by the third episode they're just like digging a hole in the Forest, Like I kind of see the History Channel has like a lot of really good programming that you're like the History, they also have some

really bad programming. So I was really skeptical if this was going to actually have any like new meat to it, because there's obviously a lot of stuff that you can just sort of retread in the Zodiac case, but there was like a lot of new stuff in this. Yeah. No, I mean, well, to be honest, I've only seen the Zodiac movie and I thought the case was solved. So I started watching it. I'm like, well, what's they already know? And this was like, um no, that's not so the

movie is about how it's like not solved. Yeah, you know, I'm probably stone going back to an earlier conversation, Yeah, um, Zodiac movie sort of heavily implies that it is arthurly Allen, but then there was like DNA evidence that exonerated him, and this documentary ends, what's sort of like, you know, now we can maybe take some of this code to like it's it's great. They do solve the cipher. That's

the big thing. They solve the Zodiac spelve Zodiac Cyper three forty, which is supposed to have the Zodiac's real name in it, but uh, he put his real name is Richard Nixon, and he spells it like and I c K. And I mean they do get some real stuff. There was like a guy, a local journalist who covered all this stuff in Riverside, and they like go to that guy's house and go to the basement and find all these clippings and stuff. So it seems real like

there's some new stuff happening. Sometimes it's so hard to care if everybody, all of the suspects are dead. That's also the Zodiac. That's why Zodiac is a good movie, because it's just like you can never get justice. You go insane trying. It's about the survivors about But I mean that's the thing too, is it's like even if these guys that they put a suspack, like Arthur Zoe the Act, there's still just like random psychopaths who murdered women, you know, so yeah, uh and that's her true time.

If you're a lady, sometimes becomes a bore. It becomes it becomes a boar, but it also becomes just like it can kind of like paralyze you into not wanting to live life, you know, because if you like read too much of it or watch too much of it, it's like a woman was murdered for like minding her business. Um. There's a show on the History Channel that I think it's in its third or fourth season. It's called Alone,

so super good. Although this season maybe a deer gets murdered, so I had to pause and your favorite show, and you were like you were like upset because you were like, it's good for him because he needs that deer. He needed the deer, But it's sad for me because it's really the deer your horse. I did, I know, but I didn't kill the horse. He also wasn't a good show. It was like he got the deer in the neck of the deer was like looking at the camera. I

was like, fun this suffering deer. Yeah. But I have to say that the really good thing about Alone is that in the first couple of seasons it was mostly men and who were getting really far, and this season they're bringing back people who didn't win their previous seasons. And there's this woman who has ms and she like got it into remission with like herbs. She's like an herbalist or something. Like she had like an m S attack, like and she was like carried on a stretcher. She

was like, I just want to go back. There are some really incredible like women survivalists, and I was like, okay, yeah, let's see if this is a pretty good you know, this is increasingly becoming a survivalist podcast. There's been a heatwave in Los Angeles this week. The DWP keeps calling it a heat storm, keeping guys stop, It's just it just sucks. This is my summer instagram was when I got back from going to the beach all day my power was out and it was like eleven PM and

a hundred degrees. Yeah, it kept There was one day when it kept getting hotter until like midnight where you were just like okay, now it's a hundred and fifteen and there's no SOUNDWP Twitter was literally like their last tweet was like all set for the storm, nothing will go wrong. And then it was like people at least like well that's what I was saying to It's like like also rich people were inconvenience by this and they were pissed, and also the mayor was out of town

because he's never Then they went to hotels. Yeah, if you're rich, which none of us are I think, but I did hear a good tip, which is you always go to a hotel near an airport or a hospital because the DWP restores service to them the fastest. Yeah. So yeah, I think what we've learned from this experience is that l A is like super unprepared for even

like a minor inconvenience. Yeah, and Molly's definitely been talking a bit about gar Sadi, but it's so it's really hard to deal with when you have such a huge power failure. There's so many on housed people. It's the pavement has to be like a hundred and fifty degrees and he skipped to I mean that's just bad. Sorry. Before we wrap up, though, I just I do want to say that Jen's book is really amazing and you should definitely check it out. It's not your typical career

business guide type. It's it's really a great read. It's a good summer read. Yeah, great book. Yeah, excellent paperback, so weird in the world that's not. Go check it out. And thank you so much Jenn for coming on the pod today. Thanks sitting in the hot garage. Thanks guys, it's fun.