The Metaphor and the Thing That It Is

effect of all. Today we're going to talk about out the movie Hereditary. Also way back in on the Mayo Wars, get some follow up on the murder Board. We got to update our stories and as always, give us a call to four oh for six night or an email. This week, I am in Los Angeles, as previously established, UM, and we had our first ever Nightcall live show at Text Slash Tay Restaurant in Echo Park. It was fabulous.

It was so much fun. We are forever grateful for everybody who came out and hung out with us and had a weird buffet style French dinner with us. UM. It was a cult ritual. I think we just have to set spoiler alert. We made everyone stand and repeat a pledge to Satan and our podcast. You know, Test was not as comfortable with a hailing Satan as aspected that. I was shocked by how uncomfortable Catholic jumped out, classic

jumped out. I said it did. I went home and I staged myself and I was I like, cleansed my aura. I felt really it was weird in the abstract. I'm totally fine with that. Uh. And then when it was my mouth having to say words, I was like, no, I don't think I can do. That's how I fell after watching Hereditary last night. I was like, that was evil and I needed to take like a silk word shower in rose Quarts right now, say it. We're not there, Okay,

we'll get there. We were very grateful for everyone who came, and especially everybody you know who stayed as we d J and party and our special guest, Ryan Johnson came to talk to us about The Exorcists and other satanic evil films. Yeah, Ryan Johnson told us about other horror movies he wasn't allowed to watch as a kid, since we found out he was forbidden from watching movies because

of Christianity, as was Emily. Ryan wasn't it Ryan couldn't watch Readers of the Lost Arc because it was it was dark sided, I know, but it's it was a shocking revelation. Yeah, it is. It does really explain a lot about I mean, but of the Lost Arc, like believes that the Ark of the Covenant, like it was a thing that exists, you know, like, yeah, but it melts your face if you get too close to it. Well, I believe that if you're evil, that is um, if you are a Nazi, But I also feel like being

having raised with the Lost Dark withheld from you. If somebody was like, you can't see that movie because it will melt your face off, of course, then you would see it. The Forbidden Fruit, forbidden the ar face smelt um. We have a call, a night call that we wanted to start off with, just to jump off of what Molly and Tests were discussing last week when I was away men Men was Emily. It was in Venice and

Tessa and I took that opportunity. We were going to have a discussion about asses and what the best sauces, and we just ended up talking about mayonnaise for like the whole time. It's a hot topic right now. Yeah, but we're saying like when we left, were like we didn't even get into hot sauce at all. That was one of the main things we're going to talk about is how the best sauce that we both agree is

the best sauces Crystal sauce. Okay, I was gonna say, yeah, I was gonna ask what Crystal hot sauce because it has the hip tang, which is a term that we learned from Dr John when he was on what Top Chef. Yeah, he was on Top Chef and they did a make a hot Sauce competition. He was like, the thing that makes a hot sauce good is that hip tang, which is vinegar. It's like a tang. I would say that.

I would say Crystal gets that right, But Tabasco also is extremely vinegree and I think that that it kills it. Tabasco is not as good as Crystal. That is our because you can't use as much with Crystal. You can really dump that sauce. Well, before we get into this sauce question, can I just also read a follow up

text we got from Andrew t about sauce. He says, I almost put my head through the windshield when TESTS called black vinegar that sauce they have a Dent'tai fung I'm sorry, And then he said, whoops, should have saved my outrage for the ponds versus soy sauce take. Oh sorry, Andrew, what was the versus soy sauce take? Well, I think

that's pons was better. Well, here's when I said, I wasn't calling the black vinegar the sauce they have a Dent'tai fung I was referring to the trinity of the soy sauce they have at didn't there's everybody knows like there are. It's the combination of what they offer with the ginger soy and black vinegar, right, and black vinegar is not easy to come by at most, you know, like Welson White Person markets, So you go out of

your way to get the black soy sauce. But then it's also like you're you're having to go to a lot of effort to get the ginger. You know, you have to get the strategy, have all the elements to make the most delicious dumpling sauce in the world. That is the the combination of all the things they have. It's so what I'm referring to is the ease of

having all those things in one place. I agree that black vinegar is its own thing, but I would not put black vinegar on the same level as the sauce that you make at Dn'tai Fun or any good restaurant in the San Gabriel Valley where it's like Din'tai Fung is a place that we've all gone correct, except I sometimes I have a hard time remembering if I've actually gone, because I've gone to wait in the line many more times than I've actually eaten there because it's like, oh,

let's do this and giving up like halfway through. Emily, what's your number one sauce? Um? My number one sauce is probably like Q mayonnaise, Like do you just squirt

it on stuff? Yeah? Well, my take on mayonnaise is that I think I think right now everybody's talking about how it's like the whitest condiment, but like Asian people go for mayonnaise and do mayonnaise better than I think most europe and cultures who can't see my fingers right now, the superior it is it is is more it's got more that that hip tang in it um cup mayonnaise on like fried foods on like on like ocono miaki, which is like the like cabbage pancake is like one

of the best delights to man. Kind of reminds me of like when you get Belgian fries and there's an aoli if you took out the garlic but kept the like yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's a very good way to think. There's got to be a flavor that overwhelms the mayonnaise. The mayonnis has to be a vehicle for some other flavor. It can't just be oh, you know what else. There's a good one. And I couldn't believe you guys didn't bring this up because you said the words spread several times.

But the spread at in and Out Burger. But that's thousand Island, I know, but it's called spread. Hey, can I tell you guys a secret? Though? So the Bob's Big Boy thousand Island is so far superior to the In and Out spread that I remember you were talking about, like, oh, I got a grip of thousand Islands, so you can only get it's it's a refrigerated sauce but I'm going to say that Bob's Big Boy. If you get it, it's in the refrigerated. Island doesn't have a long shelf life.

I buy like seven of those, and then you can get your burger from In and Out and it makes I'm telling you, it elevates it. Do you bring back the burger and put the sauce on at home? Do you go to In and Out and then you just have like a container of Thousand Island in your purse that you pull out. I have not because it's not shelf stable. Otherwise thousand Island in your bags. This is

probably a really basic question. But its Thousand Island like catch up in mayonnaise and relish mixed together, essentially, but it's more sugary. I find, like, you know, you try and make it at home, it doesn't capture you know what. I like. Fucking great read is like the superior Thousand Island to my mind. Well, it has a time and a place. Yeah. This episode of Nightcall is brought to you by care of a monthly subscription vitamin service that

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Com and enter code call Listen. I think we should get the email to this email. Yeah, this email comes from Megan, Hello, Molly, Tess, and Emily. I agree with Molly's opinions about mayo, and I find that I will only eat dishes with well hidden mayo. I'm from Iowa and grew up around a lot of mayonnaise based foods. I once went to a funeral of a distant relative. They served kinds of salad sandwiches like chicken salad, egg salad, ham salad, etcetera. I ate the top three rolls and

didn't touch the mayo salads. This is getting along, but my main point is miracle whip. My sister loves mayonnaise but hates miracle whip. A quick Google surgeonfor me that miracle whip was created in ne by Craft as a less expensive alternative to mayonnaise. My sister will not touch miracle whip and will even avoid restaurants if she knows they use miracle whip. Any thoughts about the sauce that has been called boiled dressing or salad dressing? Spread? Also,

have you ever heard of snickers salad? We've had it at my grand Grandpa's house growing up. I've attached the recipe here, which we will add to the notes on this podcast. I want to know what salad to start off? Well, first, talk amongst yourselves. Well, so I um, as some of our listeners may know. UM, I'm also from Iowa. I worked in the deli, the grocery deli at our grocery, at our grocery store, and I was city for about a year. Um and it involved sling in mayonnaise based um,

potato salads and ham salad is the worst. Ham salas pink is the worst idea for food and I and I am not opposed to chicken salad. I think I think it could be quite good. Ham salad is the funniest term in the world. Have ham salad, mall I have have hams. I have seen it. I once made friend of the podcast Max Selvestry. Take a bite of a ham salad sandwich and then spit it up into

our other friend's hand for a film I made. Well, so this is this is the technical thing I want to get into here, which is that, um, we had giant vats of mayonnaise, of course because this is a grocery store in the Midwest, but we all have to

make the salads. There was actually a different substance that you use as the base for it that was called salad dressing that was also white and basically was I think it was basically miracle whip, but it was a little more runny, yeah, um, and and not quite I think you had a more tang to it too. There's a British thing called salad cream. Yeah, yeah, that I feel like falls into this category. It's somewhere between like a runny sour cream and mayonnaise. It's also the idea

of you, just like mayonnaise is your salad dressing. You just want like a runny mayonnaise for your salad, haven't Haven't you ever mixed up of salad dressing from some mayonnaise and mustard and like vinegar and stuff. It's great, that's really good. I'm gonna tell you really quick about snicker salad. So this is from Taste of Home magazine. The recipe candy bar apple salad. This creamy sweet snicker salad with crisp apple crunch is a real people pleaser. It.

Oh you'll you'll see. It makes a lot, which is good because it will go fast. One and a half called two milk, one package instant vanilla pudding mix, one carton frozen whip topping thought, four large apples chopped, four Snickers candy bars cut into one of finch pieces. Well, I got to eat that fruit somehow. I don't even understand what that would make. So that's like, that's like gutting apple. It's like a thoroughly bastardized Waldora. But Waldor

doesn't have candy. It's just like apples. It's like the Snickers is your nuts portion and it's kind of mayonnaise. You have pudding. Yeah, it's real. Seventies dinner party, right, Yeah, seventies dinner party. Shout out to one of our favorite Instagram accounts that Justice all stuff like that. Um, youre talked about it not mayonnaise. Yeah, we should talk about not mayonnaise, and it is. It's awful it belongs to nowhere.

You know. I also worked in the cafeteria, and I want to know, like my main experience of working with bulk food was that it would like put me off some things forever, you know, Yes, like it did. It put me off a fried chicken forever because I had to fry the chi right. Like the fact that you dealt with big vats of mayonnaise and came out of it just like pro mayonnaise. Well I didn't at that time. I was not that big of a mannaise fan. What got me into mayonnaise? This is again my argument for

why mayonnaise is not necessarily the widest food ever. I like this argument was one going to six Flags when I used to like work with these kids like at this after school program, most of whom were Hispanic, Um and Mexican, and they would they introduced me to the joy of getting like a cone of French fries and dumping mayonnaise and hot sauce all over him, which I hated mayonnaise before that, And I was like, oh, this is this is like Belgian, but like on a different level.

Like you're right, so there's also like there's mayonnaise on a lotus, there's like, yeah, argumently like mayonnaise is used widely. I I'm not. I'm not trying to make like a grand objective argument against it. I'm just saying, like, subjectively, to me, it tastes bad the way that to you, Emily an even more controversial opinion you like, don't eat cheat, which is like, but to you, cheese, like all cheese

like just doesn't taste good. It doesn't. I mean, I appreciate the idea of cheese, but I can't personally do it. I'm not trying to get other people on my wave. Like you said something once who you were like, I think I don't know if you were talking to the thirty Rock episode. We were like, yeah, other people talk like you know how other people just will like eat a whole block of cheese at night. And I was like, what do you? I have no idea what you're talking about.

You were like, I can't imagine ever doing that, Like what is that like? And I was like that's crazy. Do you eat a block of cheese at night? I eat cheese, yeah, But like I am lactose intolerant. I just like sometimes I just I just you know, Chase the cheese Dragon. I'm on Craft's website right now and they have reviews of Miracle Whip um and wow, yeah, somebody contacted them about Okay, this new blend is now sty It is still labeled the original, however it is

far from it. Check the ingredients. If you have an old bottle around versus a new one. The old bottles say salad dressing on them. The new something about creamy mayonnaise taste. I for one, will never purchase Miracle Whip again and its current mix. Yeah no, And others may they follow your example, like let's drive out the Miracle Whip. The other thing about Miracle Whip is it is full of sugar um and it. I think that because it was supposed to have like less the fat, less fat

or something in the mayonnaise. But I think it's just like like eating. There's got to be people who like miracle It better than mayonnaise though, just because they like enjoy the taste of it. But there is no taste. Is it the point? Right? But you know some people like they just want the want the moisture. You want them it is ham lotion. It is Oh, you guys are really selling it to me, Hey, I some delicious hamleh,

just right. I think I think we have now eve good time to talk about other things that they feel like. I was going to throw up for two hours, guys. Hereditary is now out on video on demand. I was counting the days I've been so excited we're talking about this movie and when it came out in theaters, which must have been in the spirit it was over the summer, and the early summer time is such a roller coaster

right now, who can tell, but yeah, I was. We were tests was like definitely doing a watch clock of how many days were left until this movie came out? And then she watched it, and then y'all were like, Molly, you have to watch it, and then it did. You kind of volunteered. I well, I was very profoundly disturbed by her editory, but I loved it, and I was like, I'm not going to force her to watch it now.

You had a diplomatic way of putting than it was also like I don't want to be the person who didn't see the movie, and like I managed to not get spoilers for it until now I should just watch it. And then I couldn't convince my boyfriend watching with me, so I watched it alone and that was a mistake.

So Hereditary, Uh isn't interesting. So we were talking before we started recording the podcast about how Hereditary is the first feature length film from Ari asked story believe is his name and he was known for two really controversial shorts that he did um before Hereditary, one of them Munchausen,

which deals with a problematic mother child relationship. One of them, I think it's called The Strange Thing About the Johnson's which was his a f I thesis um, which is spoiler just look it up if you're but just is yeah, it is. Perhaps he makes movies about familial horror, which is probably our favorite genre of horror. I think it's the most affecting genre sub genre horror. I would stay you're talking about it's like The Exorcist? Is that? And

Rosemary's Baby? Is that? The shining is that all of these things are about parental ship. Guys, I've never seen politic. Oh my god, I just know that the parents smoke pot and that it's like a chill, a chill movie. Well, very chill chill. Ye Should I watch it? Yes? It's so goody we just do a horror movie like every week until the end of Halloween season, because it's already begun as far as I'm concerned, let's do it. Last week after the podcast, I walked to the Halloween store

in the old Circuit City down the street. That was like the Me and some other people were like the first people in the Halloween store, Like, hey, great, it's September seven. Um, so I was ready for Hereditary. So Hereditary Um. I did not see it at Sundance, and it was there, but it was one that everybody like,

this is the thing. Now Sundance is like the best place, Like it's iffy on other things coming out of there, but like all the horror stuff that comes out tends to be pretty a plus, there's so much good horror coming in general. And my friend um Um Aaron also co wrote the other good horror film that came out of it this coming out this week, I think um called Many with Nick Cage in it. I watched the trailer for that also, and it also seems like it's there's a lot of just people are tad time horror

a good time for horror. I mean, I know there's a lot of debate within horror about the sort of art house horror. Well, yeah, I kind of wanted to talk about that a little bit because I think that a lot like after this film came out and the first wave of people saw it, and people talked a lot about how like it's not like a dumb horror movie, right, which the people it's like, all the good horror movies

are smart. Also, I mean, if you like horror films, like there are some that are clearly made with a bigger budget or with producers who can get like fancy actors like Toni Collett and Gabriel Burne, and then there are ones that don't and doesn't really actually reflect that much on the premise or the ability to be scared. You know what producers got those stars Tony Clette and Gabrielle burn Um. Tony Collette is so amazing in this film.

It cannot be said enough. Um, I think that this film worked better for you guys and it did for me. I really like it and I appreciate and I think it's very smart and well made. Um. But I think that we can all agree that Tony Collette is just like, like there's I haven't seen a more, a more performance.

All the performances were great in this movie, though, and I mean I thought that they were really like the girl whose name is Millie and I forget her last name, who she originated the phenomenal um in it as well. I mean, everybody in this movie really carries their load. Also thought it was funny she originated Matilda because then they contact her through the seance and there's like chalk

writing on a chalkboard. Spoiler, we're gonna maybe movie. I don't know how much we should spoil it necessarily, but we'll we'll, we'll feel she was not the one who communicated viat chalkboard. She was. There's a there's another person beyond Yeah. Um, we all like Natt Wolf. Alex Wolf, one of the Wolf brothers, one of the Naked Brother's band brothers selling is Alex Wolf. They're both in movies. Uh, he plays the Sun. He was really great. Gabriel Byrne

is really great. Tony Clatt, we were saying, like she should have the Tilda Swinton level of fandom from people because she's she's the mom of this family. Um, she's an artist who does miniature. So we're saying it was like a side cold to tiny furniture. But um, I love miniature stuff. I love like shooting miniature stuff on film and that depth of focus, like I I like a lot. But there is something unsettling about it and I've never seen it used to like a horror purpose

and the same it was used very well. It was like using the tweenness of it to be creepy. Yeah. Um, so she her mom has died and her mom had this like special bond with her daughter, and so they're doing the funeral in the wake and everything, and um, and the daughter is kind of not dealing with It's like hard. I mean, the daughter is a how would you describe the daughter is evidently disturbed? Yes, yeah, and does a has a tick where she goes like a

daughter is disturbed. And the actress who plays her is very interesting looking and has a very memorable face. And and then they're like some twists that you don't see coming that I just thought it was going to be a totally different movie. Um. It was reminded me also of Get Out in that it was like what I thought it was going to be was so different from what it ended up being. We'll just also like it went in places that like I hadn't didn't see before,

it didn't see come right. It has that feeling that I think makes it more scary where there's not a symmetry to it that there is for a lot of horror films where like everything you plant at the beginning ends up kind of like coming back, and some like a way that you could appreciate it is being clever or something something that does happen but then makes you

want to unsettled. Well, I thought, what was interesting. My husband keeps being like, let's watch it again and find all these hidden because there's a lot of hidden symbolism

and stuff. But one thing that I almost missed was that in the Brother whose character's name is Peter, in his high school class, they're talking about Greek mythology, and in an interview, and I think maybe variety um, the filmmaker was saying how he was really into the idea of in Greek tragedies, how little kind of autonomy the characters have, how they're just kind of pulled along by fate and they can't really change the outcome of their story.

And so he said that this was kind of a story about characters who despite anything they did to try to correct the course, the outcome was already predestined. You were just kind of caught in this you know system um, which is super interesting when you think about it too, in terms of there are obvious connections between like the hereditary kind of curse if you will, that has been you know, put on this family by this matriarch who died,

but also um. Tony Collette's character talks a lot about how mental illness in her family has kind of like

caused all this trauma. She has two kids, and she's you know, clearly kind of talking about the hereditary nature of you know, the trauma well, like the trauma inflicted by like the death of her mom, who was secretive and crazy, and also just like the genetics, right, it gets away with both being a metaphor and actually the thing, which is great because then there they're the boundary between the two is so fuzzy that when you're thinking about it on your own, you're like, you know, if you

if you've known anybody who's dealt who's dealt with the like realistic half of it, and you're like, oh god, that makes it like so much more. I don't know, it just gets under your skin more. That's kind of

what the I mean. I know you guys weren't super into it, but Sharp Objects also was very into a lot of the same territory of just like inherited sorrow, inherited, Yeah, inherited issues and like you know, acknowledging them and then changing them or like repressing them and then also not being able to change them, and yeah, just sort of

like you don't get to choose. What do you guys make of the discrepancy between the critical reviews of Hereditary and the audience it stemas score, it got a D plus, but on Rotten Tomatoes it got like a ninety or so. It became like a viral hit, like it went wide really fast. I think it made the most of any a two forms. I think I thought it was more

of like a conjuring type like jump scares movie. I thought the whole movie was going to be about the creepy little girl and her like becoming the grandmother or something, and then that's not what it was at all, you know, if I'm not Maybe they did one unlimited release like New York l A. But I think they very very quickly went wide, and I don't think it was. I

don't think it was a box office thing. I think it was that they just knew they wanted to release it to it because I remember being in North Carolina, like the second week it was out, and seeing it at like a multiplex there, like I think it went and I think I think it was one of those ones where they just like built the right kind of word amount of mouth about it, and then by the time people actually saw it, you know, some people were disappointed because it ended it made them feel worse than

they were prepared to be. Another like low cinema score film that I think is fantastic and like maybe not even a horror film necessarily, but certainly a spooky film is The Witch, which is like another you know, I think all of us probably are in the category of liking like spooky, psychological horror, not not completely like the Expense, like I also like slasher films. I definitely like tuned out of horror during the Torture Porn Pass because it

wasn't for me. But then I like, I think the first saw A movie is good, you know, like there's nothing gimmicky in this movie that relates it to like other types of horror. I feel like there's a lot to dissect, and I think, I mean, it reminded me a little bit of It Follows, which I understand. I'm like very basic for loving it follow But it's good.

But if you unpack it for a lot, like a much longer time than you can unpack most recent horror, it just builds all this dread and then it releases it all at the end, but then you still feel really bad. I was saying. The movie it also felt like to me was a serious man, which was another movie I made the mistake of like watching alone, you know, And then I was like just sitting there, like I just want like to hug like anyone, Like I feel

so bad right now. I think there's something Maybe this is a part where we can spoil it briefly, or we can tell people to let's say spoilers starting now. So I I thought it was interesting to think about Hereditary as it compared to The Witch actually and sort of other general narratives that have been going on right now in horror, and this like idea of this kid the boy in this instance, like the sun being the like King Payman, the King of Hell or whatever, what's

this actually, I think the God of Mischief. Okay, it's a little puzzo man. Yeah. Um. I saw a really amazing fan art done of King Payman, like recently online that was very spooky and good. And then something like as opposed to The Witch, where it's also about an adolescent girl this time who kind of discovers that she has satanic or cult powers or potential or something like that. But I think the end of The Witch is much

more almost victorious in a way. Um, even if it is a little bit like if it has a dark side to it, it not, it doesn't color the entire way that the ending of that film feels um. And also frankly, the ending of The New Susperia feels um.

And I think that's interesting that, like the story about the boy who comes from this cursed family and has this destiny to be this like demonic leader or god figure or something that feels like he's just fucked as opposed to like, yes, girl like flame that crown, like cover yourself in blood, Like I think that's I think that's super interesting. And what if I a little bit though it was like yes, queenly you did it well.

My husband after we watched it and before he suggested we see it again and I was just like no. Um. We looked at paim On and he was like, oh, he's he's you know, kind of like a you know, trickster.

And he was like, maybe what this is really about is like the mind playing tricks on the character of Peter the Sun, and that the whole thing is really just about you know, his kind of like nervous breakdown and spoiler spoiler, spoiler spoiler, like he murders his family and then like has basically had a complete psychotic break and the final scene, which everybody was very divided, and I think a lot of people who didn't like the movie kind of point to the final scene as being

too heavy on exposition and stuff like that. But what if that scene is not what it is, but it's just him completely breaking with reality and in a way, the Treehouse, how you know, she deals in miniatures inside this house that's kind of like this weird like a lot of hallways and little rooms, and then there's the treehouse, which is small and it's a single room and it's usually lit up red. What if that doesn't actually exist? And that's kind of like a realm unto itself where

people go to be crazy. Essentially, well, there's yeah, there's like the moment when like Peter looks in the reflection and it's like he's very settle and takes me out very bad. I mean, it ends up being Peter's story, despite him having the least to do for most. Now you think it's going to be all about Charlie and then spoiler alert, Charlie gets dispatched with Yeah, you know

that was so intense. Um. I mean, I think I think the thing about Greek mythology is super interesting and that it is so also not away that movies now, especially horror movies, tend to work. But maybe that's one of the big differences between what people are calling artie horror movies and non artie horror movies is the agency of the hero. This makes the Shining team upbeat though, because at the Shining they get away. At the end. Yeah,

it's a it's a very downer movie. I mean, it's in the Shining it's like he ends up that it's like he's just fucked. Jack is just like stuck there, but the other people get away. This is like, no, you're fucked. And nobody else can escape, especially your fans, specially your family. Well, because that was so much fun, maybe we should have to take a time to have an update on a question that was called in a few weeks ago that we've all been mulling over. Now

for some real life murder. Yeah, alright, so here is a nightcall update. Hey guys, this is Jazz the woodworker who apparently has now become known as the guy with the murder board, um cralling to give you an update. I guess. Uh. I listen to the show and all the advice you had in the commentary, and there's a lot to think about. I really appreciated that I had no idea that you're fans were going to get so interested in start having polls and things. But anyway, just

to clear up a couple of things. Um, A lot of people asked about it, was it unsolved? Uh No, the murder was not unsolved. The person who did it was in the house when the police are. They were found like immediately, So it's not a thing where you can, you know, solve the mystery and be like Nancy True or whatever. Um. I guess. The other update is that I did decide to take the job. Uh. After listening to a lot of feedback, including yours. Um, so that's

pretty much it. I got a couple of things in front of it, and I already told them it's going to take a probably at least two months. But I will try to email you some pictures when it's done. No, I do not think I am opening a portal of death to anything. I you know, And as far as the questions about the wood that was used, no, I cannot prove that that would have blood on it. It has weird discolorations. I'll send you a picture. Uh, but again, you know, it's a paying customer. And how much I

believe in it, I don't know. Hopefully my next call will not involve my basement turning into like an Indian gerald ground with you know, two stones coming up to the floor. But that's pretty much it. And you know, thanks for answering question and take care. Jed, thank you so much for the update. I really hope we didn't put you on the spot. No, thank you for the update. I feel like this is great. This is our second actual I don't want to call it a case because

we didn't solve anything. It's a mystery. Kind of after the mystery of the ice cream track ghost, which we did solve this and the family texted us the same ice cream track. Yeah, I passed by an ice cream chuck that made the Hello sound scary inchronicity guys. Um, I'm glad Dad that you're getting that money. Um. I am glad that they caught the perpetrator of the Grizzly murder. Yes, that was I think that was probably our biggest piece of miss information. So I'm glad that we have that

now and I look forward to seeing the results. Molly, Guys, you know what you'll say. That's what I was just gonna say. I'm such a hypocrite because I'm the person who's don't do it. But then I made everybody say, Hale Satan, you did because I'm just a cavalier. Well, I I sensed that it was not a bloody piece of wood from his call. I think that I feel like we wouldn't be having this conversation if it was. No, he said it didn't. He literally just say like, I

can't prove it, but there's discoloration. Now, he said, I can't prove the discoloration is blood. He doesn't think it's blood. Yeah, yeah, but he doesn't think it's he doesn't necessarily know it's not blood. It's just a funky piece of wood. It's just a humble woodworker, like the time to make his bread. Who played Jake Ryan. We're saying, what if it is the guy who played Jake Ryan, because we know he's

a wood worker. So well, you should tell our listeners that we were just talking about sixteen cattles and that's where you got Jake Ryan is the name of the hot guy, and say, just sound. It was funny to talk about people whose professions would working. He's a woodworker. Now he retired from acting. He's too hot to have retired from acting, but that's the decision. And I went to the Magic Castle for a magician swap meat that my friend Emma Cunningham, who came to he came to

Our Lives show. Emma both help set up the stereo that sound and did card magic for people. She did practical magic and magic for show. Emma and her friend and you both did some some strolling card tricks and it was the greatest. I was informed that we actually interrupted like a really good card trick of the news. We just waltzed in and he had to stop his card trick, and I felt terrible. It was like, why are we even doing a show? We should just let

our friends practice their card magic. Next time there will be more magic. Yeah. But I went to the Magic Castle for a swap meat, which was amazing because it was all magicians just selling tricks and pamphlets that explained tricks. Um. Just none of that exists, exists. They all be as they are all doing real magic. Um. But in the lobby where you are allowed to take pictures. Um. In the gift shop, there was a Wigia board that is made of wood from the Magic Castle, and people were like,

that must be haunted also for sure. But I did need a big factor into hereditary as well. Yeah. I think I just and uh the Exorcist. I think I just didn't realize that much that. Um. We also heard an amazing story from a friend of the podcast that involved a demon possession and a Weijia board. Two different demon possession stories. I don't want to say their identity in case the demons are looking for them, but well, I'm glad to hear about this update. UM, keep us posting. Yeah,

if the Hell portal opens. How does it take too much? I guess it's going to be a really nice Augia board. Um, he has to do in front of it. He has others too, he's queuing in putting in the queue. Also, having tried to like do woodworking before, I can imagine that that takes a long time. Board actually robot for me and he whittled one out of wood and it took making a wage. Board does seem like it would be like a really fun woodworking project, like as an endeavor,

because it seems approachable. It's just it's doing that scoring, just doing all the letters and stuff in it. That would be the time consuming things. Yeah, that's like drawing. Maybe someday we'll get a night call wag aboard. Oh and speaking of making things on the night call Facebook group Night Callers, which you can go find. Uh, if

you're good at finding things should be easy. But somebody was like, hey, we should talk about what merchandise people want, and it was just a person a listener said this, which I'm very grateful to them for doing. But if you have an idea for merchandise, we are starting to talk about the possibility of doing merchandise in the future. So please weigh in. So far people have suggested Fannie packs and bike shorts, and we think both of those are great ideas. Him and I'm all into branded board

games for things. Should be easy to make those. We just have to figure out the rules of our own game. And what about a night card Tarot deck, Night Cards? Night Cards? Um? Do you guys want to hear some comments about mayonnaise that were left on my Instagram? Sure you're gonna, You're gonna skew these results, though, no, I'm not. People are all over the place. Um. Somebody said, I'm no Mayo evangelists, but it's a solid and vital condiment.

That's exactly how I would describe it. In front of the podcast, Rachel Trio says, I will listen, but honestly, Mayo is the devil semen, Rachel, come on the podcast. Come on the podcast please. We've been wanting you to come on the podcast and we can talk about this too. And another person said was surprised how long the sauce talk went on for and yet there's so much left to be said. Well, actually, speaking of which, I just looked at the nightcall Facebook and so far the mayonnaise pool.

Let's talk about mayonnaise, Baby, Marissa, thank you for doing that. So the winner so far with three votes. Mayonnaise is okay in an altered state, a Oli, doubled eggs, etcetera. Mayo is Delicious comes in second to may it is delicious, It's coming in second, and Mayo discuss Me only has one vote. Wow. Yah. Well, if you take enough acid, the mayo comes alive. Well, it's it's base. You need your acid and you need your base. Love note. Thanks

for listening. Thanks for listening, Emily, see you soon. Thank you Garden the Sound for having us in your your padded booth thrash around and conversationally. As always, if you're enjoying the podcast, please rate, review, and subscribe wherever you listen to your podcasts. And if you have a question, comment or are we call us at two four oh four six night or email us at nightcall podcast at gmail dot com. We'll see you all next week, okay,