The Loneliest and the Most Abstract Sense

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us things that you think will be interested in. So we all were very very sad, as was pretty much all of l A and many people who enjoyed the writing of Jonathan Gold to find that he had passed away. Um this past weekend. By the time you listen to this, that the news will be a week old. But um, Jonathan Gold meant a lot to each of us. I think we all had kind of different personal connections to him and his writing, and he was one of the most,

if not the most talented food writer. He was. He had his beginnings as a music writer at l a weekly, and he was also just a very generous person when it came to encouraging younger writers. Um. I was looking through my old g chats and I found one with Molly from ten years ago when she was telling me that Jonathan Gold had gotten in touch with her and uh, we were all kind of like scrambling for jobs and it meant so much, and I was like, who's Jonathan Gold.

It was so weird reading a g chat from ten years ago because I didn't know. I mean, I was like, on some level aware we could do that, but you were like, hey, here's the g chat from when you were going to meet Jonathan at a restaurant top lunch, and you were so nervous that I was reading it. I was like, this is very weird. Also weird that the chat mentioned Mama Mia and turtles, and Molly saved a turtle from crossing the road that same day. But

that's beside the point. I want to know how how you first got in touch with Jonathan and how you got that connection. He's a family friend and my friend Vanessas and she told me that she had been at a dinner with him, her family and his family had dinner together a lot, and that she had mentioned me and he had been like, oh, you know, Molly Lambert. I was like, why how does he know who I am? Um?

But he read my old blog, this recording um, which was really cool, and you know, I was doing it for free, so it was obviously like very gratifying to hear that somebody who was a huge hero of mine like liked what I was doing at all, and it really like gave me a lot of it get pushed me through just like several more years of like not getting paid to write because I was like, hopefully I'm doing something that like somebody will want someday professional acceptance

from the people work up to. Yeah. I mean he's such like a sweet person and so generous and like a lot of people have said this, but like he and Lorio Chowa, who was the editor of The l A Weekly for a really long time, we're just like so welcoming to young writers, which is like not how most people are at all, you know. And they were so like genuinely interested in like nurturing people's talent and like encouraging people to write about things they were actually

interested in. Um. And one of the things that sucks so bad about The l A Weekly getting bought by this right wing company and firing everybody and becoming sort of a zombie version of itself is like there are really just no local publications left in l A that cover the kinds of things that like Jonathan Gold covered, you know, and there are lots of great writers in l A that, you know, want to write about l A and have things to say and maybe don't have

a place to do that because there's so much national news. It's like, you know, very difficult to get people to care about local stories. But local news is so important, and I feel like what made him such a great

voice is that it was so local and so specific. Yeah, I mean, between him and Laurie, I feel like if there was enough of a nurturing If there wasn't enough funding and just like enough space, you could even easily imagine many more kind of mentors and editors and just just like I don't know, uh, intellectual, I don't even

know what you would call what they do. They're just like the people who care about writers in Los Angeles and want there to be a really strong community and tradition of writing about Los Angeles, whether they're actually doing reporting or if you're writing about culture or food or And there's something about that where maybe it's because there's less of us, are the people that are really competitive and petty or you're all like only trying to make

TV and film, you know, but like there's something about just journalism in Los Angeles where it's like everybody, because we're so spread out, everyone just like bands together and encourages each other, uh, you know, and and it's nice.

And I have met a lot of people doing the boycott l A Weekly stuff, um, a lot of great writers and people like Jeff Weiss obviously we've known for a long time who covers local rap in l A. And a lot of stuff that ends up becoming a big story later, you know, because nothing starts as like

a big story. Things start as like people start locally, um and Captain Spires, Yeah, Katherine Spires, who was the food reviewer after Jonathan Gold in the l A Weekly, who I think is just like brilliant and a great writer. And there's all these people and there's just no publications

serving that need. And yeah, I think we all just probably grew up thinking of like, oh, it would be great to work at a magazine and have like a magazine family, you know, like a Mary Tyler Moore thing of just like a group of people that are all interested in what each other are doing, and competitive, and like a healthy way that is good for the greater, good for the work everybody's doing, right, competitive and a like you want to be better because your peers are

doing so well, not in a like you don't want anyone to succeed because that you can't wait, which is like, you know what a lot of things feel like because everything is so bad in journalism. I was just going to ask, what if you guys had any favorite Jonathan Gold reviews or pieces or moments or anything like when you first discovered him. Yeah, I mean, I you know, I grew up reading him in the weekly, and getting the weekly it was like a religious experience, you know,

like it would come out. It was before the Internet, before I think there were just calendars even for things. You know. I would go look through show listings and be like, someday I'll be old enough to get into these class believably too soon, you were. Even then, I was still excited about it. I was like, you know, like cut out the schedules and put them on my wall. But yeah, I would just like devour the whole thing,

you know. I would read the old comics and the back page classifieds and all the phone sax ads for the whole thing. Yeah, I mean for me having moved there, not growing up with the weekly, but it being there when I moved at seventeen years old and being a college student and also really not having that much money. There's a lot to be said for reading you can do, and journalism you can read, and any kind of writing

that was free. But yeah, but it was I mean, just the whole all weekly model has obviously kind of collapsed, you know, And part of it is because you know somebody who's saying they were, like, journalism is not dying, like rich people are killing it. It's not passively dying. People are stuff. People still want to know about shows and places to eat. There's obviously a huge audience for that. People spend tons of money on that stuff every year.

It's just that on a local level, it's not being valued or it's not it's not going to make you a billion dollars, so therefore it's not considered worth anything. Yeah, I mean news newsroom resources are spread so thin and there's so much there's such a glut of national news that people don't want to cover local news because they have to cover the national news. But you know, obviously, like there is a big news story in l A

yesterday with a hostage situation at a Trader Joe's. That was was a few days ago, but it was the same day, a really bad day, and I'll uh yeah, but people are saying, like, the only place you can find information about this right now is like on Twitter. You know. Well, I mean, I think that's the one thing about l A coverage is that you can find a lot of good stuff in a hyper hyperlocal sense, you know. I mean the East Sider was covering it.

The east Sider covers just a small group of neighborhoods and the Sider. I know, you've got to they're friendly East Sider. But I think one of the great things just going back to Jonathan Gold, Um, I didn't start like I I was looking at the l a weekly for like just mostly the like creepy porn and the like terrifying news stories. I was like death Murder, like it's free paperback. Thank used to write on Attack. Yeah, yeah, those are my stops. But I after Molly was like, oh,

you know, Jonathan Gold emailed me. I looked him up and I was like this is this is amazing. So I came to him kind of late. It was only ten years ago, but um, I mean, I think one of the best things that he did was to push you out of your neighborhood and out of you know, your regular haunts and and to you know, I probably wouldn't have gone to the San Gabriel Valley ten years ago to just be like, oh, I just want to try like this little restaurant. It's like forty minute drive.

I'm just gonna go and try it, or like going, you know, driving to Encino and like you know, taking the time to kind of like find these places that he would recommend oftentimes I thought he was wrong. I'm just gonna say it. I was like, I'm not I'm not feeling that you're not going to have the like blood cubes or whatever, not gonna have the blood cubes. I think it was I think I even can blame him for pie and burger, which I still everyone does but me. But look, I'm gonna it's my hill to

die and burgers only know because of Jonathan Golden. I've never eaten there, but I'm just like, like, I know that name because of like, well, you would like the vibe anyway, because it's really great. But I don't think I mean I So I was saying like coming there as a newcomer to the city but not having a lot of money, and and just like also not being honestly that psyched about Los Angeles when I moved there, I the tables have turned. I told you, I've told

you guys. You know, like I I thought that I was going to move to New York and I was going to go to film school in New York, and that did not end up happening. I ended up coming to l A instead, and so I definitely had a period of like it's so spread out, like every single complaint that everybody's ever had about l A. And I think that Jonathan Gult writing which I immediately just like I can't remember not reading it as soon as I

got there. I think there was something where when it's something as kind of um uh, deceiving the deceivingly minute as food or or contained as food, you can find it.

It's it's more approachable. So it's like I can't learn everything about everything in Los Angeles and the entire history of it, but I can start by learning about the food and what food you can get in each neighborhood, and and what these different cultures are that like have formed this history, this like food history in these different

areas of Los Angeles. And that kind of became a way for me to make sense of what arriving there was just like this Hodgepodge and I posted h I posted his review of Oky Dog, which I've always loved. I always remember the line about like not being able to eat it unless you have the time of a sixteen year old. But that's how I felt about Los Angeles.

Moving there, is like it was so overwhelming. I ate so much junk food, and horrible stuff like okay dog and every single hot dog in Los Angeles, I think at some point and uh, and kind of found a way to find the joy and being like overwhelmed by

the unfamiliar. Yeah, I mean again, it's like he and I talked about it because we're both locals, and it's like one of the things I loved about the way he wrote was that he didn't write about Los Angeles to address like an He didn't write about it in a way that's like for people who don't know, or he wasn't like trying to convince you that it's good. He's like everybody who lives here who's like a regular

person knows it's good. It's only people who come from other places and tell us what they think it's like in an annoying way. It's like, yeah, yeah, we know there's a lot of like people who want to be actors, but there's also a lot of people who are just like regular working class people who live all over Los Angeles. And food is like a way that people, you know, bond and socialized. Well, speaking of that, speaking of how and I just say something really hatery really quickly, and

I'll keep this. I'll I'll tell you guys who I'm talking about when I when we go up the air. I was talking to somebody who lives partially in Los Angeles and um, we're talking about Jonathan Gold. And she has a job in the entertainment business and said that nobody that she worked with, who are all people who came out there to work in the entertainment business somewhat recently in the last few years, Uh, none of them knew who Jonathan Gold was, uh and didn't understand why

he was important. And this is just like again, like he contains this microcosm of every single problem or thing that that is in Los Angeles. Because that just made me feel like, you don't know who Jonathan Gold is, Like you're not You're you don't care about living in Los Angeles. I feel like like, especially being a privileged person with a in entertainment industry income, you're not going to find out about let You're not going to go and read some of his old columns or something like.

I feel a lot of rich people who moved to l A aren't interested in like in particiscattering l A anticipating they just want to turn it into like what they wanted to do, which is why then when like the hills are on fire and they're like, we didn't move to New York for this, I'm always like, go home, go back home, don't come here, but also don't come here. We're full exactly. Okay, Emily, you can take a night

call about food. Hey, night call, ladies. It's PM in Hot Austin, Texas, and I've got a question for you. My name is Maggie, and I just found out what muck bang is in the U K B A n G. It might be nuke thing, and I want to know what you girls think of it it because I think it's horrifying and I also feel that it's a tool that anorexics could use to, you know, essentially get their fixed without eating food. Um. Yeah, So if you guys can weigh in on muk bang or muke than, I

appreciate that. Thanks. Bye. Had you guys heard about muck bang or muck bang before, but I've heard of like I feel like eating interviews or feeder porn. Yes, I would say, first, I don't think that it would be something that you would use for eating disorders, because like, doesn't seeing someone eat just make you want to eat. Like when people see someone smoke on screen, it makes them want to smoke. It doesn't make them go like, oh god, you're saying, it's not it's like the opposite. Yeah,

I think. I think when I when I saw that she before I looked it up, I thought that she was talking about one of these like kinds of calorie free noodles that you can get. Yeah, yeah, me too, zoodles. Yeah, And I was thinking, it's like that kind of thing that just fills up your stomach. But no, it's it's so so can some of these people eating like a grip of spaghetti on camera and camera with its streamed live to write and people it's not it's not competitive eating.

It's like just people doing like a live stream like a twitch of them eating. Well this on on the Wikipedia, it says that the hosts call themselves b j's Broadcast Jockeys, and they interact with people who are watching the broadcast through chatting. Bj bj is sometimes claim to be the audiences avatar and will exactly follow what people ask them to do. So in that sense, I kind of could see someone with an eating disorder be like stuff yourself like eat pizza like I could see that. Well, that's

feeder porn, right, it is feeder porn. I mean, is everything that involves live streaming yourself like a form of cam girling? I am? I mean, how far do you want to stretch the definition? I mean I guess not, Like, how is it different from like somebody being like, here's me playing video games, like watch me play video games,

which like tons of people watch. I mean, I remember where I was when I worked at a camera store and one of my one of my coworkers, would like you borrow the cameras on the weekend to help his friends shoot these videos. I think he did some for suicide girls, which dates this, but um where it was just like videos of girls smoking, like that was it? Okay, Well that's a fetish. So I'm sure there's people who have a fetish for like girls eating, but this doesn't

even sound like it's just hot girls. It's just like they thought it was like for people who live alone and are lonely and want to like feel like they're sharing meals with somebody. I mean, to be fair, When I was in college and I was living by myself, which was great, but I would cook and then I would eat and I was like, it felt like I had to either be like watching TV on the internet because you're like it's kind of weird, just like and focus.

It's like too much focused. So I could see how like, you know, if you just set it up like a bunch of people eating with all their webcams, just like we're sitting down eating having a virtual potluck. Like a lot of people also just like to have that sort of para social company if you are alone, which is why people like leave the TV on. That's why people

like twitch is so popular. It's also like people like podcasts. Hey, it's that thing too of being like they are speaking just to me and then we are also come up again in our final topic for today, I was gonna say, yeah, but but we when we were doing girls and Hoodies, we would get some super creeps who would just be like, I like your cough, remember that, People who were like I like it when you clear your throat, And I

was like, don't work that. Those were all the YouTube comments. Yeah, that's the things I didn't even know you could sexualize, like somebody like sneezing, but like, of course you can, so like I wouldn't be surprised if people like were into eating videos for reasons other than just wanting to

have a friend to eat with. Biological functions can be really big triggers for people who don't have a lot of like really intimate time with other people, Like if you're not in a close relationship with somebody or living with your family. I think that sometimes hearing, like if you happen to be standing in a train or something and you hear somebody cough, Are you still hear somebody

sniffle or something? Sometimes it can be alarming because you're just like, oh my god, I haven't heard another human sound in a second. I think especially in like bigger cities too. In um in college, there was this girl who wrote an op ed for the paper that was called touch the Loneliest and most abstract sense. What we'll talk about that after the podcast. I just I always

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which I love. I mean, it really is. Like I so, it's a film by Boots Riley, who it's his first film, but he's a musician and he has a band called the Coup Bear, a guy, super progressive, lefty socialist type dude. Um, and I have never I think maybe since Get Out, and I hate it. There's already been a controversy about comparing the two, Like obviously we can have to wildly

creative debut films by black directors. Uh, we don't have to compare them directly to each other, but just in terms of like how much I've had people g chat me or text me and say, oh my god, I saw Sorry to Body, just like out of the blue, people I haven't talked to for a really long time. It's like a viral movie. Everybody who sees it tells everybody else to go see it. I saw it this weekend and the theater was totally packed, and I was just exciting that this movie was getting a packed theater.

I mean, yeah, I think it's a very different movie from Get Out, Um, but it is also sort of a horror comedy, uh, a dark satire of what is going on. What's crazy to me is that apparently he wrote the screen plan but yes, and that was after I think there was a New York Times article about

it that it sounds like we've all maybe read. But he was he wrote the screenplay, and then he snuck into a like NAPA Food and Wine private event because he wanted to give it to like Vigo Mortenson, but right and then he Vigo was like no, and then he emailed Vigo's resume. Well he may have been like I don't know, because I think like nobody you know. And and Boots Riley has been like I didn't expect anyone to take it, because it's like if a musicians like, hey,

I have a screenplay, like everyone should run away. But then after Viego passed, he emailed Colin Firth's wife because I guess maybe Colin Firth was a fan of the coup, and Colin Firth was like, I don't know, and then he I think the first person he got was David Cross because they did a benefit together and David Cross is like, I'll do it, and then he Cross needs so bad really, and then Patton Oswald and then uh, and then Dave Eggers like made and published this greenplay

as a book for mc sweeney's and now it's here. But it feels as though it could have happened, Like it feels as if someone wrote this like last month, and stuff has been happening for a long time. I think one of the amazing things I've seen him say on Twitter like he's a good fellow on Twitter right now, even though most of it is him retweeting people who are like, oh my god, I'm all sorry to bother you, but he is answering some people's questions and it's pretty interesting.

And one thing was somebody asked him, like, did you write in that there were these tensities all over Oakland, because like that's the thing now, but I know that you wrote the script a long time ago, and he was like, originally it was sort of like, oh, five years in the future kind of postal apocalyptic type thing. And then it was like, well, no, they actually just like ended up being there, and we've used the actual tensities that are in Oakland. I just assumed intense tensities

in Oakland always because we do in Los Angeles. I think I think that they're more like there are more of them now. Well, the Bay Area is obviously they have all the same problems that l A has in and they're bringing bringing some of them here now with tech and stuff. Uh, but you know, this is the movie about tech that needed to be made. Uh. I

was so stoked coming out of it. And I was like, somebody made a postmodernist movie about something, you know, because I was like, I was like it reminded me of some other things like that, of like being John Malkovic and stuff. But I was like, not all of those movies were just about like, you know, man pain, and this is like a movie that actually has like a point and a purpose and it uses all those techniques, but it all feels very just like yeah, it's like

one degree removed from how insane everything is. And then uh yeah, and it's just creative, like I mean, it's really I think, I think pulling off the thing where you do have a point to make and you are making a statement and a very political statement, but also being really creative and funny, funny and like staying light on your feet and continue, that's like a hard thing to pull off. I think it's a super hard thing to pull off. I mean, all the performances are so great.

I love Tessa Thompson. I think the best line in it is when when he's he's introducing her, her name is Detroit and they were like other people in the car like Detroit and she's like, my parents wanted to name me something that sounded American, you know. I was like, wow, it's that's just perfect. Obviously all of the names are a prime, isn't there Also at some point um in like a propaganda video, it's it's like directed by Michelle Dongrey,

which yeah, yeah. That two felt like sort of like it was like a movie like just a huge leap forward for that kind of like postmodern joke exactly everything movie movie. Yeah, but I feel like something, Yeah, I feel like we shouldn't give too much way. I saw some between the other point the other day there's like what's the what's the expiration date on talking about the ending?

I sorry to bother you, because it is. It does have an insane ending that I somehow managed to partially forget and to all the trailer started coming out for a theatrical release because I saw this at Sundance and then I was like, I was totally I mean, it was one of my favorite films there obviously, and I remember a lot of like there was kind of a

muted reaction among not everybody. I mean a lot of people there were very stoked on it, but there were a lot of people who are like, it's too much for me, And I'm like, I feel like, though, like we want this much stuff. Um. But I had kind of, for whatever reason, I guess this time, like forgotten or made myself forget about the ending of it. And then I remembered it a month before and just started laughing

to myself because it's so insane. I was like laughing my brains out the whole movie, and not just because when I first walked into the theater, they were showing the trailer for A Star was Born, and I went like ha. I was just like I can't wait for that movie. I don't know either. I was just laughing. I know, the trailer is just amazing. I hadn't seen

it big, and I was just laughing so hard. When Bradley Cooper shows up, look at all, looking all Chris Christophers, Um, everybody should go out and see Sorry, I see it. It's also a real I mean I I rarely go to the theater to see movies on opening weekend, and this I was very glad I did because it was great to see it with a crowd, and everybody should go see it and about it. Don't don't leave the theater right away, because that happened in my theater and I was like, no, yeah, don't do it. I hate

to have to say that. Armie Hammer was amazing. He was I know, but you know he's been he's been difficult. And then I was like, god, damn it, he's perfect. And um, speaking of group experiences, you know, speaking of having a TV family, that you feels as real as real people. Um. I wanted to talk about terrace House before I left because I had just gotten into it and was like, what is this thing that I've been watching and it's your vander pump Rules. It kind of

has become that I feel like it's my Maide in Chelsea. Um, for you, it's it's a little chillen than than vander Pump Rules. I think vander Pump Roules definitely has more of like a it's got that cokey glaze on it, people yell at each other. Made in Chelsea is like people are very polite because they're so posh and British. They would never like raise their voices, you know. So even when they're being very mean, they're like, you know, a count in it, they would never say in it

because that's not posh. Um. But so terrace House, which I think the week that this comes out, there will be new episodes on Netflix, so you have enough time to binge watch the first two parts of the current season opening New Doors, um and terrace House is a reality show Japanese reality show that is on Netflix and it is also I think broadcast on for the TV

in Japan. You and Brian Phillips are the only people only know who watch it, but you both watch it so much or no, Lindsay Webber too, Lindsay Webber, Yeah, I mean I I know a handful of people who do. Uh yeah. Bryan Phillips has been posting a lot of like Terrace House jips as they relate to soccer, which I feel like is a very specific ben diagram. There are so many. There's a really really good um Twitter account that's terrace House out of context that just has

the subtitled like especially of the commentators. So so I'll explain the show for those who haven't seen it. It's just a reality show about um. They explained the premise in every episode, like six people are chosen to live in a house. To live in a house, all they provide the house and two cars and basically people just live their normal lives, like including having jobs. They don't give them money, they just give them a place to live.

They have to buy their own groceries and stuff. Um, but you know they get to live in this fabulous house and be on TV and um it's uh so it's about thirty forty minutes per episode, and the seasons instead of just having one cast that stays there the entire time. People can decide to leave at certain points

and then they're replaced by somebody else. So it's kind of the feeling of like actually living in a house with housemates and then somebody decides to move out, and then you get a new roommate and and they is it.

Is it boring? Well, you are kind of amused by it when you start watching it, because you're like, wow, this is so chill, Like I I love what counts for a conflict in this, you know, like like somebody is gossipated about how somebody's hot pot isn't as good as they expected it to be, or something, um like

very very low stick stuff. But then I think, because it's almost like by turning down the volume, you start to be attuned to these little subtle dynamics and personality traits that I think that normally you don't get to really think about in much noisier and edited um reality shows. It sounds like it really replicates the stress of living in like a coopy environment people and I hate like I I have had roommates in the past when all

of the experiences have been terrible, but in general. Having grown up as an only child, it's incredibly stressful to me. I think I feel like you can relate. Not a fan. Yeah, it's just a lot like even the slightest thing like that feeling of like somebody looked at me weird as I went up to my room after the kitchen, like, I bet they hate me. I bet they're thinking about me and how much they wish I would move out

in their gospel. I was watching Interview with the Vampire the other day and I was like, this movie is about cohabitating for like hundreds of years, and how that's what it's like to live with people. It's just like weird. Yeah, I mean I do think it's like in real roommate situations, the things that bother you aren't necessarily like the big crazy things. It's like some weird, little annoying things somebody does over and over again, and eventually you're like, I'm

going to kill this person. It's when people leave glasses of water all over the house and then deny that. It's Oh, I'm a person in my relationship who does that because I need new Water's so weird because every room in these in the corner of every room is like this glass of water. You have no idea when it's from right, Like that seems like a real terrorist housey conflict, Like while they're cleaning up after themselves, like

the water thing, I feel like it's very sure. So I'm like, I'm so the current season takes place in this like semi rural like kind of ski resort type town. But then I went back and I'm watching Boys and Girls in the City, which is two seasons earlier and just takes place in Tokyo, and those kids are like they've been the waves of it, but like they tend to trend very sloppy MESSI millennials. Yeah, I feel like

there was a shift after maybe Jersey Shore. No shade to our friend Nicole, who I love, but of the like the grossness of the living spaces in Jersey Shore eventually just started stressing me out so badly. And then I felt like I noticed a shift of maybe other reality stars being like, oh, I can't be that gross, Like things got cleaned up. If you think of early Real World too, it was like, really is what happens when six people are picked to live in a house.

It's like it's the tragedy of the comments. Everybody's like somebody else was supposed to clean the living room. Whatever does discussion of like house cleanliness makes me want to talk about since we don't have a lot of time, but I just want to highlight this character that has been really on my mind lately, and she left the show recently and where I am in Boys and Girls in the City, I mean, it's not summing. She's an aspiring actress from Osaka, shout out to Osaka and uh.

She she brings the drama she does. And I was so refreshed by her because everybody on this season had been kind of boring up until when she showed up, and I was like, Oh, she's fun. She's like a little more like direct with people and tells them that they need to clean up like on her first day,

and all this other stuff. And I've been reading the reddit for terrorist how as I go through this and trying to protect myself from spoilers and realize that like almost everybody thinks that she's just a complete sociopath and her last her last uh kind of blowout before she leaves is genuinely scary. She has this thing where she gets drunk and you can see like this raged thing turn on in her where it's like it's like her

personality leaves her body. And the commentators that like comment throughout the episode, which is the other reason why the shows so weird. There's comment. You know, it's incredible. It is the smartest thing. It makes it so that you really feel like you could binge five episodes because you have a break because you're like talking to your friends about the show. Are they going to wash that dish or what we'll find out? It's it's really yeah, it's

so addictive. But anyway, I actually like talk to my therapist about Natchan not to me because I was like I had this like experience where I was like, oh, finally somebody who feels like I feel like I can like get with her, like I understand her thought process, Like everything she did, even if it was bad, made total sense to me. And then everybody was like, she's

a ceopath, she's a psycho. You know, some people just don't like a bossy lady, and it sounds like she came in with a strong personality and tell people just didn't like that. There's a type a type a lady. But It is interesting because in reality shows it's not

always the leader types who succeed. Test says the world's foremost scholar on Survivor, It's well, if you bring too much attention to yourself competitive situation and you're putting a target on your back, right, it's often like the people that you think are gonna win or like be the best at it, like they are perceived as threatening by other people and taking down and the person who like is behind the scenes stirring the pot and being like, you go, you should be mad at them for this.

That generally ends up success. That's on a on a like vote amount kind OF's there, yeah, but people will kind of decide it's their time to go, usually when they don't have to boyfriend or girlfriend and they are not interested in anybody else in the house or like

their romantic prospects are over. It sounds kind of like the Japanese version of the long forgotten favorite starting over house that I feel like I've talked about on podcast, Just when people wanted to start over and they'd all moved together into this house, and then when they felt like they had like their ship together and they figured out like a halfway House. No, it was starting almost like people at all moments in their lives. I mean that is kind of what Terrace House is accept it's

mostly twentysomethings. Um. Yeah, wow, I've heard we should all watch Love Island. Oh yeah, I'll watch. Love has been saying Love Island. He just has been doing tweets that are like straight people are insane. Yeah, that's agree. Do you guys remember a show, another like mostly forgotten reality show called Forever Eden. Yes, I didn't. I didn't watch much of it, but there's still a seed of whatever it was that was like in the it like kind

of theoretically never ends, like it just keeps. I mean it did end because it wasn't very popular, I know what you want. The premise was that that it would just keep going until everybody found you know, I was a big fan of Utopia Utopia Do And when they canceled Utopia, I was like, I hope they just keep living on this commune and then we find them like twenty years later and they've just made a society outside society.

You guys, we have to wrap it up. But I'm thinking that because we're talking about this, that we should ask our call our our listeners to be our callers and call to four oh four six Night with your favorite reality shows, whether or not there could be a reality show that goes on forever. And and yeah, I was gonna say if you if you've watched terrace House, is not Sumi a sociopath? And what you would like to see us eat? And for how much? Yeah, mook,

bang we're taking bits. We're taking bits on the book. Bang. I don't like blue cheese or olives, so those are off the table. Molly doesn't eat meat, but she will eat fish. I don't know what Emily dietary restrict You don't like cheese either, Emily, I can't have cheese. But everything else all right? Any much? What anything else is okay? All these rules are off the table. If the prices, the prices, throw it all that. Thank you so much

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