The Bees are Back in Town

and your night emails and your night questions. Give us a call at to four oh four six night or check out our email at Night Call podcast at gmail dot com. Hi guys, we're in a silly mood today. We are in a super silly mood. It's just me and tests in the Weird Garage looking at each other in the face super close. Speaking of intense close ups, We're going to talk about my new favorite Instagram accounts,

celeb Face. We're also going to talk about Felicity, the TV show Felicity the shadow Man, and we're gonna solve the mystery of the ice cream truck Ghost. But first I wanted to tell everybody about little podcast. I guess it on called The Shining to thirty seven that is really awesome. It is My Friends Susan's podcast. Each episode is about the Shining in two minutes and thirty seven

second segments of the Shining or analyzed. Well. The reason being for people aren't familiar with the Shining fandom is that Room to seven was the bad room. Yeah, it's the scary room, the scary room. Um. But also it's part of a trend of in podcasting that I didn't know about, which is that there are a lot of pod has that do movies where each episode takes a

minute of a movie at a time. So this is also a riff on that where it's it's just the Shining, but it uses the Shining as a jumping off point to talk about kind of all sorts of things and

so on. The episode that I did, which you can find at the Shining two three seven dot com, that's the Shining, the number two, the number three, the number seven dot com, we did an episode that was a lot about Shelley Duval because that was what was in the clip that I watched was a scene between uh Shelley Duval and Jack Nicholson where they are having an argument. This is one of the ones that just also just feels like listening to like someone's parents argue, where it's

just very stressful. And then they cut to Danny and Danny's like, you know, bleeding out the face and like chicken and thinking about the blood Elevator, and they're playing a lot of good Wendy Carlos music and it's very intense. Um. But yeah, we also talked about Shelly Duval a lot and how much we love Shelly Duval and just all of her great work in Allman movies and on Fairytale Theater,

which was a weird anthology show that she produced. Um, that was a children's TV show that totally I watched them and it went took me to the weirdest part of my brain when it was eighties and it was like everybody cool. It was in these Oh you gotta watch it. It's like these weird Fairytale adaptations. The first one is The Frog Prince and it stars like Terry gar Robin Williams, Van Dyke Parks. That's awesome. Yeah, they all seem really fun to have made, but they're also

super weird. And but they were actually the first original show that was ever on HBO or one of them. They were one of the first original cable shows. Yes, I was saying, like Shelly Duval, perhaps an underrated pioneer. Definitely an underrated pioneer. Yeah, and that wasn't the Christopher walkin Puss in Boots, was it? Or I believe that is part of it. Oh, then I've seen that like four times because that is a master field, Like that's it holds up. It's better now than it ever was.

That's what I was saying. I was saying, they're weird, and they don't like condescend to children. They're just like this, they really make an impression on you as a kid. And then I was watching them again and I was like, still weird, still got it, Still got that weird, the shining energy of just taking you to like the innermost corners of your mind where you're like, oh, it's some spider webs in these corners because they are weird. Hey, and I call listeners. Have you ever tried a kind bar?

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talk about on this podcast, and we were brainstorming. For some reason, Tess was like, I've got an idea for a segment. It's called the Bees are back in Town. So this was almost an entire year agast a year ago we started getting getting the gang back together. So if you're not familiar with where the bees were before they came back to town, let me just tell you that for a while, the bees were suffering from a mysterious disease and the honey bees were disappearing, and I

guess it was called colony collapse. And I love bees. I'm I'm a bug friend, a friend of all bugs, and this is gonna this is a reoccurring segment. I know we've talked about bugs before, we will and we will get forever. Um. So this is Insect Corner, a k. The bug Bag, bug Bag. But I got very interested in what was happening to the bees because there was a colony. I guess they just follow the queen. If the queen gets like confused, and goes to a bad plate,

like a bad neighborhood or whatever. Everyone's just following her anyway. So there were a bunch of bees that followed a queen to the pavement outside of my kids preschool, and they were just like on the ground, like a swarm of bees. And everybody was pretty divided as to what the approach should be to deal with the bees. But eventually, um, a bee saving company was called and they relocated. It was a pretty crazy scene, like it was a ton of bees. But then I was googling the bees, and

bees are obviously very important. And if you've seen B movie, you might also understand you seen the movie like fifty times. What have you never seen B movie? But I've made a lot of jokes about it. Okay, so be movie. You know a lot of times when people get really into being fans of a movie that's like, on its face, maybe you might call it a bad movie. I think that the obsession with it is a little overrated. Not the case with the movie, not the case at all.

There's just so many weird, weird choices and decisions that were made in the making of that movie. There's the quote at the beginning about how bees are like too fat to fly and it's like goes against nature that I some people can quote this quote, but I cannot. If there's a movie your kids like or do you like the movie this? So I came. I came to find out about this movie after everybody else, as is my my custom, and uh, my kids tend to watch

things into the ground. So I was. I got up Netflix, and I was like, we're watching something you've never seen and you're gonna love it. And I was like, what's this. This looks like a fun movie, and I turned it on. And usually I just kind of like, you know, sit in the background and not watch the movie, but this movie is impossible to do that with because it's just like right off the bat, a very strange movie. Also, Rene Zellwegger, for some reason, is like doing something. She's

disguises her voice. She plays a human. She falls in love with a b she falls in love with a be. Oh my god, Molly, where do I begin? Where do you vegin? Where do I begin? How about the ray Leota branded honey that prompts the hero of the movie to have a lawsuit against humans for like stealing the profits of honey, it's about and you love it because it's about capitalism. Did somebody write this on drugs? And like Jerry Seinfeld wrighted on drugs in a weekend because

he wrote B movie? Wait he did, Yes, Molly, I kind of always thought it was like the B version of Ants with a Z. No, it is very different than Ants with his Is it in the Abugs life universe? No? The thing is I believe I don't even know if it came afterse No, it's not. It's it is its own self contained. The movie with Where the B Barry Benson Renee Zellweger spoilers. Renee Zellweger saves Barry Benson from being killed by her boyfriend, who's like a really dochy guy.

Barry Benson is not supposed to talk to humans, but feels as though he needs to repay her act of kindness by like introducing himself to her and then making small talk while he's like sitting on her countertop and she's really freaked out. How does this resolve? I can't. I can't do it, and now I have to make

everyone watch B move. But it's like Beauty and the B. I'm like, can their love ever be Well, the other thing that's interesting is at one point in the movie, so it's Barry Benson has just graduated from school and at some point during the discussion, because they basically go in the hive and they're assigned their job roles, and he's like, I don't want to be working this job for the rest of my life, like turning out the honey.

I don't want to And there's like a you know, a little like homage to the graduate where he's like floating in the pool of honey and his parents are taught being like, what are you going to do with the rest of your life, Barry? And then he has like a fantasy that involves like an exploding plane. Anyway, but they mentioned the fact that bees only live for like not long, and so it's so confusing because he's having this relationship with Renee Zellwagger and clearly he's just

gonna die, like on their third date or something. But I mean, the courtroom scenes, it's a really it's a really strange movie, and it's so strange that it's good just because it's strange. Al Right, Tess Lynch endorsing b movie. Yes, But anyway, back to real bees. Bees were dying off. Then they came back a full year ago. This was all this all happened. You were like, the bees came back, and it's like where were they? And you're like, they disappeared.

They were dying and wandering around confused. But now they're back, which is amazing, which is kind of surprising because I did not. When you hear something like colony collapse, you're not like colony is going to come back real strong, necess but it's very encouraging. And these are bouncing back. These are bouncing back. The bees are back in town. The bees are back. The bees are back in town. Do you have a favorite bug? Um? Well, right now?

Like bees? Bees? Bees? Um? Also, when you said the B expert, my friend told me about a B expert whose name is a B Man. He changed his name so I would come up first under under be looking for bees. It's a a B man and he's the B expert. Um. I do like bees. I love bees. I think they're really cool. I always would rescue them from pools. My question, thank you. I also think spiders are really cool. You know some big ones, but you're more of the bug the bug lady. Um, what are

the best bugs. I do like a praying mantis for obvious reasons, but also just they look the most like aliens ants. I've been back and forth with those guys. For sure. There was some hanging out out front. How do you feel? You just respect it and I live and let lift because basically, like I think I may have actually already talked about this on the podcast, which

would be like really embarrassing. But after I learned that ants colonized aphids and they farm them and then they have this system where the aphids bring them nectar in exchange for the ants basically like being their bodyguards and location scouts, I was like, I just can't spray them anymore. Wow, you did not say that before, because I would have been impressed. That's really cool. So what happens is if you ever see if you're in l a who have a citrus tree to examine, um, you might notice what

looks like like fuzzy mold. It kind of looks like cotton, and those are a fits. They're like wooly a fits, and you'll see a lot of ants next to them. And I assumed that that was the food chain thing, but it's not. The ants aren't eating the aphids. The aphids stuck out sap from the tree. Ants go up and tap them with an antenna, which is a signal like give me. I mean, they're like mafia don that's

so cool. And then the ants kind of protect them, they like lead them to the best places, they protect them from other predators. Interdependent species. It's interesting, right, It's so interesting. I also this makes me want to recommend there's a documentary on Netflix right now about Rachel Carson. Uh, the nature writer and all around cool, cool lady. I think it's American Masters Rachel Carson, and I found it

so inspiring. She's most famous for having written Silent Spring, but she kind of started the like seventies environmentalism movement because she was writing a lot about how everything is interdependent and how this idea of like putting man at the center of everything is just insane and also not how anything works UM, and she tried to write about DCT before anybody wanted to talk about it about UM, just because you invent something doesn't mean you should use it,

which is something we think about a lot in terms of tech stuff that not every idea that people have that's profitable is good for the environment or human beings. But we've really gotten ourselves into a bad predicament with the mosquitoes. I have our fault. I'm saying it's our way, and also like if they take over, that's what we deserve a little bit. Well. Check out the Rachel Carson documentary. I also just found it really inspiring because it's like

she did what she had to do. She knew that the fish were important and she had to write a book to teach everybody. And her book about fish became like really popular because it was like post war and everybody was like excited to read a relaxing book about fish. And maybe it's during the war and that's why. Anyway, check it out. It's a great documentary. That whole series is good. The Walt Disney one is also amazing and

I recommend it highly. We're gonna answer one of night calls great mysteries, the most burning question, the most burning question that we've had, the ice cream truck ghost mystery from our friend Kate. Kate called us with a night call about how she was getting mysterious calls from a ice cream truck that would say hello Hello, a scary ice cream truck and she didn't know why, and we heard about it a lot. A lot of people suggested to reply all article episode that implied it was a scam.

We were waiting to see if we would ever find out, and now we found out, Tess, would you like to do the honors? I would love to. This comes from Kate. Hey night, call per your request. I called back and left another message explaining what happened. Here's a backup email in case my call cuts out again. I'm in a rural area. Sometimes services bad. We're relying on the email because oh right, because she called back and it got cut off. That's why we were like, oh, we're never

going to find out. But no, okay, go on, okay, okay, back to Kay. The big reveal came as I was leaving New Orleans a few weeks ago. Some friends came over to say goodbye, and when they said we have something to confess, I realized immediately that they where the ice cream truck ghost. They would call me number blocked and hold the phone up to this YouTube video, which

she links. I had apparently mentioned to them in passing several months ago that I used to live near an ice cream truck deep depot in Brooklyn, in Bushwick, off the Morgan l stop, so I would often hear the hello and the songs from my window. I probably should have placed this together, but instead I spun out an elaborate and terrifying theory in my head, story of my life. Anyway, I'm relieved it was just my friends being goofy. However, I still believe that ice that ice cream trucks are

deeply haunted. Wow. So it was interesting. Yeah, everybody, we got like fifteen emails or something UM suggesting we listened to this reply All episode, but there were differences between what Kate had originally described and this scam that they looked into on reply All, which obviously is such a good podcast and you should listen to um. But yeah, it was it was just her friends punking her right,

which is also scary. It is kind of scary. But it's funny that you would mention something haunting and then forget it, because that's totally something that I could picture. It's funny you would forget mentioning that you lived next to an ice cream truck depot. Yeah, that's awesome, because that's hilarious and awesome, but also it makes more sense that way because it's such a specific Brooklyn. Everybody in Brooklyn is like, oh, yes, the ice cream truck that

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there was like a like a time split. They did like alternate worlds of like if she'd gone with Ben or if she'd picked no Let's just start off with the heavy hitters Ban or no Oh. In the end, I was a nold girl, what I know. But that was the thing is that eventually Ben just Ben had like Ben was a hot douchebag. He was like the blonde Jordan Catalano a little bit, but Noel was a little bit of a Brian crack out. He was totally a Brian crack out. But I think you should data,

but you don't want to. Well, also, he was her resident advisor, so there's like he was he had that kind of like paternalistic thing that I think is kind of gross. But then eventually they kind of moved out of that, and I thought like he just had a little more like pizzazz than Ben. In the end, Yeah, Ben was very like he has like darn catalano, right, just like a cipher. Well, he's like, yeah, he's hotter before you know anything about him, and you can just

project like how deep you think he might be on him? Right, and then you talked to him and you're like, oh, maybe not so smart? Yeah, do you think she should have gone to Stanford? I forget even that was the setup was like the set up. I just had to look this up before we started, and I was like, how did this start? It? Also, it was like Felicity was like it's like porn for College's like go to college, It's so fun, and I totally bought into it and then I did, and it was ye, you left college.

I enjoyed college, but it also is just like living in a dorm, like she had a Wiccan roommate, which roommate. I mean, the most interesting thing about Felicity in the end was that there was the writer on Felicity who was like, I'm nineteen years old and here's my Felicity script and they're like, you're so great, and she was on all of these lists, and then she was like, actually, I'm thirty two and you're very agist. Who thinks about that story all the time? Oh? Who could it be

who constantly is like, is now the time to do that? Yeah? Well, she was four ft eleven and I think that that may have been she also, I think was passing off her her husband as her older brother. Okay, that's weird, right, I mean, there was a very thought through experiment. But props to her for exposing the fact that as soon as she was like, actually I'm older than I said, everyone was like, oh, then forget it. They're like, well, we only hired you to give us the youth voice,

and too bad you got scammed. Drifted drifted Um. Yeah, but she the show started because she was going to go to Stanford and be premed, right, and then Ben signs for book. Hey, a graduation. I remember thinking that was ridiculous. It's super But it's also interesting because after settling on college, which feels like such a huge decision, then being like, you know, ready to go, it would

have been a very exhilarating thing. I think you can easily imagine if you're at that phase in your life, which we were in high school at the time, just being like, oh, all that work that I did and all that decision making, I'm just gonna like flip it over and do something else instead. It's kind of like an intoxicating thing because then she goes to college and it's as if she were totally unprepared, which obviously you are, even if you've spent a long time thinking of what

college is, because you have no idea until you get there. Um, but yeah, she she decided against Stanford and went to the University of New York. The University of New York. What's the one in SPU Hudson University, But you know, n YU apparently doesn't mind being mentioned in shows. But with Felicity, they were like, no, no, it's the U n Y. The U n Y. But I mean, I guess Dean and de Luca must have let her let them use her name a real capsule two thousand's pre

nine eleven capsule. Well, what didn't span nine eleven? I can't remember. Well, it was the twentieth anniversary of the debut, which would have been ninety eight, but it went for four seasons. Well, I remember also that it was going to get canceled. And did you come to the protest? I went with our friends Nicky and Annie and we like skipped skipped class to go to the save Felicity protests at I think she looks good with her new hairs studio? How was it really sad and funny? But

what's what's odd? So it went through until her graduation correct, and maybe after even we I mean, this has been making me like, I haven't thought about the show in a long time. And you were saying, you were like, I don't remember anything about it, but I was like a fervent Oh yeah, I remember the theme song more than anything. Yes, it was, and they changed it at one point. It was a very haunting. It had like

the my so called life theme song. It was very like my so called life, but in college, which feelings feeling feelings, And then she would make the recordings. To Janine Garofolo, it was just like a fantasy about not having to live at home with your parents anymore, which is like very appealing when you're a teenager. You're like, yes, my life is going to begin. Yeah. I mean, I

like watching TV shows about New York so much. New York has a really good TV propaganda department because there's so many good shows that take place in New York that make you be like, oh, that looks fun. But most of my friends who went to college in New York had very mixed feelings about that in the end. I mean, obviously, so when we entered college that was

right before. I think a lot of people who went to college in New York who were freshmen in two thousand and one, there were obviously like a lot of people left because of that. They were like freaked out and left. I think it's like some percentage of the class that year just was like, Okay, don't well. In a way, I mean, having a TV show about college in New York kind of creates the sense of a

campus you're following. Just the characters who are on campus send a lot of time in the dorm rooms more than you would maybe if you were actually attending college there. I think a lot of people I know who went to um N y U, I think in particular, found that it was you know, maybe they at some point questioned, They were like, Felicity lied to me exactly, sold you all good, it's going to be in a love triangle.

And J. J abrams first show. I mean, that's also what makes it funny is to be like that was J. J Abrams like entry into the world of entertainment. Do you think J. J Abrams was shocked that Felicity was like you can imagine him like pitching all these things and then they're just like, we'll go. We just remember because like I read the Entertainment Weekly like TV preview issue every fall, you know, and that was like the buzziest show. Felicity like this show about a girl going

to college, like everybody wants it. I have not watched any of the Americans at all, but I hear she's good on it, and uh, it seems like everybody turned out. Well that's why I saw about the reunion post. Everybody was like, hey, everybody looks hot from the show. You know, here's a little story you might not know about a man who's made of shadow. Hello, women of the night. This is not exactly a ghost story, but one about an encounter my family had with what I recently learned

people call a shadow man. When I was around seven years old, I hadn't experience one night that later I thought I must have dreamt, but didn't. In the middle of the night, my dad, a very low key gentleman, burst into the room I shared with my sister and told us to get up and go across the hall to my parents room and wait there with my mom. He got his handgun out of the lock box he

kept on the top shelf. Then he had us close the door and wait while he checked every room in the house for what he was sure was a man that had broken in. You see, my parents were both asleep when my dad suddenly awoke to find a figure that had the shape of a man but no distinguishable features standing over him with a knife about to plunge it into his chest. He yelled, which woke my mom and sister, and I jumped up and began struggling with

the man for the knife. My mom also jumped out of bed and can see my dad struggling with what she said was a figure that looked around the same size as my dad. My dad thought he had a hold of its wrist, but it slipped out of his grip and ran down the hallway towards our living room. That's when he came and got my sister and I. He checked every window and door in every room for the man, but found nothing. My dad has passed away since then, but I recently talked to my mom and

sister about that night and now many years ago. My parents talked a lot with each other about the incident over the years and always puzzled about it, and it was one of the few things that ever happened to them that challenged their understanding of reality. I found out recently that many people have similar stories, and some worry that talking and thinking about them attract and feed their power. That is such a bad reveal. For the end of the scene, you know, we're not quite done, Sweet Dreams,

she says. I hope they're wrong, so she's not trying to trap us. But yeah, Sweet Dreams, thank you for writing, Jennifer. I believe this. That is fascinating. It is you tell me what you think, and then I'll tell you what I think. It sounds kind of like it was maybe a night terror. That's what I thought too. It was sleep paralysis and stuff, that's what I thought also immediately. I like to be open to the idea that this experience is accurately reflected at the same time night terrors

and sleep paralysis. Like I could see that, you know, he he like springs into actions like wrestling with a person, and you wonder, like, and then maybe that just started, you know, this chain of events with his wife freaking out and believing that he's actually doing it. But doesn't sound like have you seen those paintings that like represent night terrors where it's a demon sitting on your chest. You have physical symptoms that are then misinterpreted in your dream.

I don't know exactly. I know it's like you you feel like you can't move and it's very scary. Have you ever had a night ter No, I've had really terrible nightmares, but I've never had a nightmare, a night terror or sleep paralysis. But they're very common in young children. Apparently, like a lot of kids go through um periods world, they'll have night terrors UM and it can appear as as dramatic and scary as a seizure. Um, like your your child will just start screaming, screaming. Maybe Danny from

the Shining was having night teres. Maybe that's something that the Shining two thirty seven ship should look into. Um. Yeah, that's like a super super scary shadow man's story. Yeah. I was thinking it was going to be more about the hat Man, who's a ghost whose face you can't see. There's a lot of ghosts whose faces you can't see, which seems like the scariest possible the faceless. Yeah. The

idea of like a faceless person. Yeah, like a person turns around and they have no face or you're like struggling to make out their face and you're like, can't quite is very scary. Well, why do you think it's so scary? Well, I mean what's interesting here is obviously the other family member, the mom, corroborated the story, and then the kids went with it because they just you're like, yeah, sure, we're freaked out, and they all kind of describe it as just a dark a dark figure, like a shadow,

like a human shadow, a three dimensional shadow. I mean a psychiatrist might have like a field day being like, well, that could have been your dad's fear of his dark side. He had wrestling, he had the gun ready to go, so he might be paranoid about somebody getting you know, that's obviously his fear. Every dad's fear that someone will come and attack your family, and in the shining, it's that it might be you. But this sounds I mean, I want to say night terror, but I also feel like,

I mean, but that's the interesting thing. He was able to spring out of bed, so it couldn't have been the paralysis. And you would think with a night terror that by the time you know, he was chasing the man to the living room, that he would that the night terror would have ended by then. Yeah. I mean, I think anything like that that does undermine your sense of reality, then that stays with you for a super long time because they're like, oh, what if I can't

trust my own eyes? And experience speaking of not being able to trust your own eyes, I got really into this Instagram account called celeb Face, and I was telling to us about it yesterday because it is super nightcall e. I think it's very in the uncanny valley. It's run by somebody who's like twenty or something. They posted about

how they were a real person. The other day, accounts like this too that have a ton of followers, you're like, oh right, or one regular person might still be running this account that just does this for free, presumably, although somebody should pay them to do this because it is a skill. They collect a celebrity photo and compare the candid photo to the version that the celebrity posts on

their Instagram and then show you what they photoshopped. And it's crazy because a lot of people photoshop things that you would not ever notice, and also a lot of it's a lot about Instagram personalities who a lot of them have a lot of plastic surgery. But then on top of that they are photo shopping. The pictures um to this like super uncanny point and it's super weird. I mean, Molly showed me a bunch of these pictures and what was I found super interesting about it is

the arbitrary choices. Because of course, you know, a lot of the choices makes sense in terms of the beauty standards that are being pushed of, like you know, waste are kind of nipped in, legs are tanned, all of that kind of stuff. But then there are just really random choices of like the hair, Like you know, it's if if a woman long hair is like walking down the street, they will take in her hair to almost

like make her hair thinner. Just things that that don't make sense, that reveal these insecurities that you would never

have thought about in your life. Yeah. Dorian st Felix most posting yesterday about how everybody has kind of the same plastic surgery face right now, She's like somebody should profile perhaps Bellahodie just denied having surgery, although um, all of these girls have the same face because they all go to the same doctors and the face is like this very specific type of nose job that somebody described

as looking like a four leaves clover. Oh, and you see all of these people that are famous and sort of Instagram famous and a lot of the new crop of models that all have the exact same face, and it is super weird because it makes you question reality. I noticed that with micro blading it which I am fascinated, but I didn't know what it was until like a like a few weeks ago. I could have talked with you about this month. I tell you what I thought it was. Yes, I thought it was like somebody well,

you say what it is. It's like threading in little tiny hairs to people's eyebrows. It's tattooing your eyebrows with a semi permanent tattoo that each individual eyebrow hair is tattooed on, and it creates the look of a very full, very bold and everybody. How's that. Well, it's much like when you first notice, for instance, when men start dyeing their hair like black, when they start going great and then they start dyeing their hair black and they're not

very good at it yet. Like that first time that you noticed you're like, oh, he's dying is because you see on this library. You're like, I see it, and then you can't unsee it. The micro blading is the exact same thing where you're like, wow, look at those eyebrows and then you're like, well I see them everywhere and they're all the same eyebrowser these like extremely thick eyebrows. But it's creating this this new I mean, it's just kind of, yeah, a link between faces. I didn't realize

because because I thought it was just makeup. Because that also came in to just like do the really thick like the dip paint, you know, put a lot of product or powder or whatever on the browse to make them really thick. But I didn't realize what micro blading was. I thought it was like when like vanilla ice like shaved off half aside. That's what I thought it was. That's micro raising, That's what I was like blading, it's

like you chopped. I don't know. I thought they like took it off and then like we're like threading or something. I mean, I should have looked into this more, but I think it's that they use a very small blade

to like achieve the look of the hair. Um. It has become so normal and I'm so naive that when I looked at slub Face and some of these people, when you see the before shots and you're just like bah and some of them are really young also, which is super freaky because you're like your face is still changing, Like who even knows if you'll grow into the nose, then like your new small nose will look weird in comparison to your like real adult face. Uh. Everybody has

lip injections. Uh, and everybody's photoshop their waist really small, um, which is like a thing you would never notice, except then when you see it in like a hundred consecutive photographs of like Victoria's Secret models and they all do it, You're just like, this is crazy, because like things have

kind of spiraled out of control a little bit. It feels like um And in a way I found slip face like comforting because I was like, Wow, even these like incredibly hot people whose job it is to be hot professionally are so insecure that they photoshop like their elbow smaller. Wouldn't it also be sad because you're kind of rewriting your own history. And I think what's really interesting being our age and not having a digital archive

of what we looked like. We have like printed photos and we can scan them or whatever, but there was no a for your average twenty year old whatever to like do a good photos. We couldn't face tune ourselves, and we weren't talking about the You had like a spring break photo album that we were looking through that no one will ever see, but it's amazing. It was a disposable camera, and I also had my cannon test is the real spring Breakers? She did some spring breaks.

She went to Florida on spring break in college Live and live in the felicity lifestyle. Um, but yeah, your photos are all candids because they were like pre digital photography, so they were like just whatever you got, you got, and you didn't know how to pose really because you know, you there was no way to like instantly review. I mean you could later with like digital cameras obviously look and review, but there the like selfie was I now find it like because that's the thing. It's like we

didn't like learn how to take selfies until we were adults. Uh, And it's it's kind of like charming to me when I look at the spring break photos, like a lot of them are just like wildly unflattering and funny and like you know, catching people with like they're like their weirdest face because you're just like, I got to capture this moment and also I'm drunk on spring break in Florida. Pictures, pictures, and then you just like print them and you're like,

like these are funny. It's that's the thing is you're just like even in like candid photos of people post now there's still like the cutest of the hundred candid photos you took, you know, as opposed to like the one photo you got of that day that everybody looks stupid, But then you see it and you're like, oh, I

remember that day. That was funny. It's a way better. Well, it's also a better trigger because yeah, I mean it's untouched and and you weren't thinking about the photo when I realized this, when I was learning how to take selfies and stuff, and I was like, oh, being like like femininity is just pretending like there's a camera on

you all the time. And like everyone I've ever known who was good at it is like also good at taking pictures because you just like are always like as though someone might take a picture and like, you know, posing yourself in that way. And I was like, that is exhausting. You know, if you're an actor and you're delivering things to camera, it can be really difficult. In one of the ways that sometimes you're taught to loosen up is to pretend that the camera as a person

you're in love with. What it's pretty sorry, wait, so when people are like, make love to the camera, that's what they mean. I mean. It's to be able to look into a lens and to trust the lens as you would trust of human you love means that you kind of lose the self consciousness because you assume it loves you back, right, you know, you can tell. It's like it's interesting because like I don't I have enough of an opinion where I'm like that's a good model,

Like that's a bad model. Like that model looks like they're looking at you, and that model looks like they're like dead in the eyes. And that's the difference between a good model and a bad one. Um. But especially with all the models now, it is so weird because they do all have the same face. The one that have that makeover all come out kind of looking the same, and it does make you start to really just be like, like,

real faces are so nice. Yeah, I don't know. I saw a picture of Cindy Crawford on somebody's uh some photographers Instagram that I followed, but it was like an outtake where she just looked kind of goofy, you know, and I was like, oh my god, even Cindy Crawford is just like a regular person. You know. Magazines have

always been photoshopped. Like I remember the first time I saw like celebrity Holly, you know, I saw like what an unretouched photo of Betty Davis looked like versus like what the Herald portrait that they put out that's like, you know, airbrush to the Gods. Wrapped ran a really interesting UM series of essays a couple of weeks ago, and one of them dealt with how um like Dove and the campaigns that that kind of we're all about

embracing your real beauty and not. You know, they kind of showed some behind the scenes like we don't photoshop, you know, photo shopping is evil in instead of doing something positive, instead kind of shifted the onus in the end to women who didn't feel like they were beautiful enough, as if they should feel guilty for that. Well, they're also still being like, we're going to make you insecure in some ways so you'll buy our thing. The Dove campaign, I think two of them that were called out in

the essay on Rack that I read. One of them was the one where a woman had to choose which door to walk through, the like beautiful or average door, to reflect how they felt about themselves, and another one where they yes, it does and also, you know, as was pointed out, average it does not mean hideous. No, that's what they're saying I saw some of that stuff to where they're just saying, like then it's like it's

you're bad if you can't love yourself exactly. But then if you think about I mean, for instance, if you're not able to shop at stores that don't cater to your size and then are being told that you should be able to wear whatever you want and it's your fault if you're not confident enough to wear them in confidence is beauty, but they're not available to you, you know, I mean, so it's it kind of exposes this weird double standard where you're doing. It's just like all the

like like empowerment, feminism, like capitalism is still bullshit. It's not still like you need this thing to be happy. And the idea that a brand is looking out for your mental brand brands don't fucking care um but slub face. Also, I was just like, yeah, I was like, oh, like even the really beautiful people who are professionally beautiful, like nobody thinks they're hot. And if someone does think they're hot, we like everyone thinks they're like a psycho, you know,

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