Sexy Unique Podcast Podcast with Brooke Baker

Brooke has been on my other podcast, Molly Sleazy Friends. She came on to talk about vander Pump Rules, which we're going to talk about a little bit again today. A lot of things have happened in the vander Pump verse. UM. But first we wanted to say congratulations to Emily Yoshida, who is now a married woman. Congratulations Emily at least on your hate to wait. We will see you soon when you get back from your honeymoon. But congratulations on

doing the thing, doing the damn thing. I think that you were going to explain that Emily and her husband have a podcast connection. It is true. Emily met her husband on our old podcast Girls and Hoodies when he was a guest. Real super fans can track down that episode to hear the sparks fly in real time. But also, I feel like I've told that to people and people get really excited at the idea of a podcast romance. Have there been more? Um Mark Marin reconnected with Moon

Unit Zappa on. So, I mean I believe that Mark Marin interviews his ex girlfriends. Yeah, I think Mark Marin is DTF anyone on WTF. There may be some podcasts where people like have guests on for the purpose of you know, I think part of it is, so there's three of us right now and we're huddled around, huddled around one mike, and I think maybe it just kind of forces you this intimacy, like we might all get married by the end of this. There is something really

intimate about talking to somebody just on a mic. Uh. It feels intimate and even more intimate when your faces are all smushed together. It feels funnily enough, like a like a slumber party. Yeah, like we're recording this just for fun, Like we're all like curled up on the sleeping bags in front of the TV. And this does feel like we're about to do a musical number. Um,

maybe we will, we will. We're going to do a little routine first about the Kylie Jenner leggings that she just wore today, because I brought this photo to show the class and everybody was like, so we're recording this a week before, right, will be heard by you? Yeah. I think it's important that we illustrate for your mind right now these leggings. Yeah, somebody tell me, what do you think about these leggings that Kylie Jenner just debuted. Well,

they look a bit like spanks meets a wetsuit. They're heavily seemed extremely compressed through the waste. And I thought they were interesting because they're Alexander Wang. And this weekend Beyonce and jay Z the Carter's dropped Everything is Love and Beyonce shouts out Alexander Wang, And it was the same day that Kylie like worthies. I thought that was a coincidence or a weird one, because Alexander Wang isn't really on the thought Instagram circuit, like it's all Gucci

and like whatever else. Um, and they look really weird on her. They also look like a diaper. I would I'll take a stab. So these are I would say, an off white kind of gray legging that goes It's hard to say exactly where they cut off. I mean, because this is of asleep. There's a band um and the seams go straight down the midline. And yeah, I mean they look like if you were wearing underpants over

leggings that were illustrated to almost look like a skeleton. Um. It looks like somebody drew a vagina on top of her vagina. I would feel like I was dancing around saying that exact same thing. This seems now we love leggings here at Nightcall. We told you about our love of leggings before, but this seems I'm really excited to get into the bike shorts debate here. Oh yeah, Molly hates bike shorts. But I like, I've been processing my feelings about it all week, and I'm like, why do

I hate it? I don't hate yoga pants. Those are just long bike shorts. And then I heard a woman in a store telling the people at the store about how her boyfriend had objected to her bike shorts. What do you objected to? What? She was like, you know, like, men don't understand it's fashion. Like I was gonna I put on my outfit and I had like these bike shorts and I was wearing them with he holes. And he was like, what are you doing? Fair question? What

was she doing? Why she's not biking in those names? Like you look like you just ran a k And I was like, maybe I side with her again, because if that's what you want to wear, I mean, I get if it's functional. Like my friend, my friend Elizabeth the Rhine Course sent me a picture of her wearing bike shorts like to ride a bike in a bike race, and I'm like, I have no problem with that. Pro bike shorts is function. Bike shorts under a dress or

a skirt. Well, that's been big a lot. But it just reminds me of like third grade so much, I think, and of like I don't know, I'm just like it reminds me, I was saying, of like the kid on the playground that like maybe eats their own bookers, you know, just weird whoa whoa my friend always talked about like she's like, you know that one weird kid on the playground. She just wears like a huge T shirt and like sweatpants like that isn't like, yeah, are our kid like that?

He used to like stand against the chain ln fence and just run against it. And then it took us until we were all sixteen seventeen to realize he was just like masturbating it recess for years. I mean, yeah, I grew up, like I spent some of my childhood in a very rural area and there was like we were biking frequently, and I feel like you didn't have

that many options when it was super hot. You didn't want to wear leggings, like, but Kim Kardashian has options and she's I get it because it's like it became I don't know if it started in high fashion or if it started like on Fashion Nova, but it just became like a thing in streetwear where everybody was wearing bike shorts as like a thing like bike shorts, and like a crop top is like your look, and it does look good on people who have amazing bodies, like

anything does. But the thing that I'm always like very stressed about when I see it is like can can your body breathe? You know, like it seems to defeat the purpose of shorts to me, which is to like be comfortable, comfortable, and like have as much airflow all over your body as possible, and that I'm always just like, I'm just they just look like a yeast infection to me. It's very easty. Yeah, it's super easty. So it's like I try to avoid things that just look like east

infection just as a rule. East. Well, here's a question. Do you guys have any items of clothing that are repellent to you? Or is it bike shorts or I mean is there something else? Oh? Wow, you mean that? Like I don't like that. You you don't like them on other people, you would never wear them yourself. It's like a it's a just for yours. I feel like you have turtlenecks. Wow? You that fast? Well, because I was talking about this yesterday with my one of my

kids who was telling me that. He was like, I don't understand why everyone started wearing these baby outfits. And I was like, what are you talking about? And he was like, they look like what put babies in. They had their like pants that go up to your your chest and they have straps. And I was like, you're talking about overalls and he was like, I just see all of these grown ups these like there's kids in my class and they were like, they look they all

look like they're dressed up as babies. And I was like, well they I've actually been considering getting a bear of overalls. Yeah. I was like, I would you be embarrassed? And he was like, please don't do that to me. And I was like, well, I have the same thing, not a cowl neck, but a tight turtleneck. Interesting. I think it makes people look like penises. See. I think I'm pro turtleneck because of Nora fro the double header of Nora Efron and Audrey Hepburn. Yeah, well Nora felt bad about

her neck, you know, I know the Steve Jobs turtleneck. Like, hey, That's what I'm talking about. But you know, for some reason, I looked at the picture of Sharon Stone when she wore the gap turtleneck to the Oscars and I was like, remember what a huge moment that was. That that was like just months of news like she bore a turtleneck from that she was promoting or had just done basic instincts. Everyone had like seen her vagina and she was like going the op, but don't look at my neck. Right. Well,

sometimes I think that's funny. Tess and I have a long running joke about how the funniest clothing is a turtleneck with like a hole cut out for the nipple. Yeah, just to two nipple holes. And that's we didn't we discuss doing this for Halloween, but we just never a lot. Is like why, like it's so funny because it would be just like, you know, so risque. I wonder when

Kylie will get to that. I mean, maybe we can we can push culture in this direction if we just say, like, you want to do something really subversive, then dress in a head to toe shroud, but with only your nipples. That's what I was saying. Also about these Kylie the Alexander Waying leggings, is that what makes them funny again and like acceptable to me is that they look like a jock strap. Yes, and that was like it's funny for like women to wear jock straps. You know, keep

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have a zipper like she's zipped into them. You can see on the photos on the side. Yeah, full disclosure. I'm wearing fabiletics like you're writing a full plate, full plates outfit. I did do pilates, I earned it, but still I'm going to wear this for the rest of day, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't going through a little gap turtleneck on. Yeah, I'm done. I'm ready for the Oscar, I think. Um, but like the point of leggings is that you don't have to zip

into them exactly. Now I'm seeing, like, what if that's the next turn is They're like, now we're going to add a bunch of stuff on the street where that

like formalizes it and makes it uncomfortable. Well, there was a really good thing in Sense magazine that I think I have no idea how to pronounce, said it's s S E N S E S. Since the Canadian fashion magazine that I've written a couple of things for, they had a really good thing that was a review of the Balenciaga Triple S sneaker, which is like the sneaker that's like a joke about sneakers. They were like, it's like non functional basically, they were like, it's a postmodern sneaker,

so it's like incredibly heavy. It looks like it's like the ultimate athletics shoe, but it's too heavy to walk in, so like walking around in it is really uncomfortable. And just like, but it signifies status. Also, wait, don't you guys remember there were sneakers like oh Man fifteen years ago that were super heavy and had kind of curved souls, and the whole thing was it was supposed to They were supposed tone your legs, got your shape ups there, Yeah,

there were shape ups. But then I think that there was maybe I want to say that they were called m B T s, but I feel like that might be the wave of people being like I wore them, my mother wore them, and they weighed a billion, and you felt like you were on some kind of like a surfboard and lifting your feet was such a shore and of course you got like great calf muscles, but you were wearing these shoes all the time. The only thing I ever wanted was moon bounce shoes. Oh yeah,

I never got that. You were going to talk about soaps the skate shoes that allow you to grind on rails, Remember, dude, great sneaker period. Do you remember that, Kate, where were they called kapas where you could um They had these little like triangular colorful things that you would pop into them so that you could like represent your cheerleading squad. I've had those. Were you a cheerleader? No, I'll tell you what I really want because I'm like a closet sneakerhead.

I just said that out loud, and no, I want to take it sneakerhead. Um. But there's like these nikes that are coming out that are just Nike sandals that have little fanny packs. What get them? And I just do you just see something? Sometimes you're like, I want that care if it can hold anything. I actually I remember on a podcast, I don't know what podcast it was, Molly. On some podcasts you were talking about the fenty slides that were like satin and you said on the podcast

like they're the ultimate fetish item because they're not functional. Update. I've had mine for a year and they still look flies. I take back everything I just wanted. But when you said that, I was like, maybe Molly's right, and my

shoes were going to fall apart. And it was probably more thinking about me and how dirty they would get if I wore them outside, which is why I bought the Target knockoff version of those sides, because I did want them, but I was also like, I can't justify buying these all just like ruin them immediately, which is how I feel about the people who have like the white broken stocks, you know, that became such a thing and I was like, who are these people that are

wearing white broken stocks in like Manhattan and walking around all day? And then they like, don't just become like disgusting. Well, you can magic eraser anything, but it's just like a status symbol of like I only have to walk from like the cabs totally house or whatever. The uber the uber black. Do you guys wear clogs? No, my sister does that. How How do people wear cloths? I tried to. Everybody's like, oh, everything's better since I started wearing cloths.

And I was like, it hurts so bad to wear these people a lot and shoot people people like it? Do they like the pain aspect of it? They're like, oh, it must be working because it's painful. It's it's I mean, I had such a heart. I had to take them off within five minutes. I was like, I cannot wear these. Have your sister call in and tell us how a person. Um, I'm okay, So there are two kinds of clogs. I'm realizing my sister has shoes that are the brand clogs

that are insane. I'll send a photo for the pod um. We're talking about crocs here, clocks are made of wood and she doesn't have those. I think there are people that are really into the like, you know, oh, I'm so like minimalist. I just like put my feet just need wood to walk across. So Scandinavian. Yeah, it seems like it's part of that. Scandinavian fetishism. Also seems like

low key racist to me always, the Scandinavian fetishization. What are we because it's Scandinavia, Like, what are we really like fetishizing here? You know? Would? Yeah, I was a bevel last night? Is that how you say it? And it's like a super like Scandinavian wed dream. I will say that. It's like really amazing food, but it's fun. They serve it to you on like some wood. The whole thing is would. I mean, it's just like it's wood,

it's crochet, it's plants. I mean it's like it's like that can Folk magazine, like the food is good, the wineless is great, whatever, Like Can Folk Magazine turned out to be Mormon. Everything turns out to be lost. Mormons have great esthetics as we all know, right Mormon Mommy box. Maybe we're not trying to be Scandinavians. We're just trying to be warm trying. But if the found out i Ka was warmon, I would not be surprised we found out Ikia was made by a Nazi. That was a

previous episode. Guys, moving on to the brunch lifestyle that you wear clocks to brook you went to a very special brunch. I did so last weekend in Los Angeles, Hollywood, California was Pride. Um. My good friend was like, do you want to go to sir for Pride Brunch? And I said, not only do I want to, I want to be there first. So you got there at ten thirty am. Um when Sheina we walked in and it was like Sheina la la Um Katie and they were all like still doing their makeup, and the film crew

was there and they were just shooting b rolled. The whole restaurant was like empty, so they were like shooting b rolled like sandbal like making drinks like fast, and like there was like they put they like pushed everyone up to the bar so it looked like it was packed and d J. James Kennedy was so high on pasta um and just like DJ fake djaying hiss like on his heart out, but he kept like getting up. He just kept like singing along and like staying at

DJJ has it goes. It was like that, do you guys remember that photo of like Paris Hilton, like fake DJing and there was like the guy picking up. It was like that, there was like a dude that was like actually DJing. And then to be fair, a lot of DJ's ghost dj their own mixes. Oh do you think DJ poly D does that. I'm not going to say no. I mean you can find you can figure out who doesn't who doesn't if you watch them perform live.

Look at Molly unwilling to offend any DJ by naming you, And I'm just going to say, well, I don't know for sure. It's like an allegedly situation, you know what I mean, Like some people preprogram their mixes, especially people who play like big shows like that whole time. But also you know, more honest to just have the GHOSTDJ.

Just like personally, I'm going to keep the dream of DJ poly D alive because like I could say, pold might really I know how to spend I think, you know, listen, he has that Italian flag laptop, Like, I think he knows what's going on. You all love DJ, and then he knows how to beat match. I would have sex with him like it wouldn't take anything, it would take no effort on his Well, I'm just saying, you know, Nicole called into the pod, so we do have a I saw that I need to listen to that. I'm

a sicky. Tell your aliens to send DJ to night Call. Yes, tell um, snooky. You can tell Poldy that I have been to Italy. And even though I'm not Italian, I was raised Catholic and I am d t F. I live in Los Angeles. I'm easy to find. UM. So I was at this brunch and so we had to sign releases so I might be seen. So we'll do an update pod um in six months when it airs. Um. But it was really amazing. I mean they should be roll and we were like standing in a lot of shots.

So they made us like sit down at a table um and then we just sort of like watched the show get produced in front of us. And I keep joking that it was like I'm not joking it was like interactive brunch theater. I mean you just like Jackson Brittany, who had gotten engaged. I think like three days before,

we're like paraded through the restaurant. I was in the shot and in the way and they had to like physically move me out because I wasn't paying attention, and then they walked past me and then like went to the back to like talk to somebody who I assume was like against the engagement because like Jack's got really heated, and people were like recording on their phones. We were told by the producers that were allowed to take still

images but not video recordings. And then there was like a fight in this hallway, and I realized that they all fight in this one hallway in the restaurant because it's really good lighting. And I was like, oh, no, wonder this is where they all fin fight in that one hallway, right, And it's also because it's like the entrance to the cigarette smoking area. Then when the show started, they all would go out there to smoke cigarettes all

the time. But they were people who worked at a restaurant and we're all on ouderall and we're two was it you made the joke? But like Basically, these were all people that like, if the show hadn't started, they would have realized in the next six months l A wasn't going to work for them. And well, that's that is the best thing I've heard. That's my friend Lauren her stick to Lauren. She made that joke last night.

She's right, um so, and they're what's great about them is I think they all know that, and so they're all like super like you can go there at any moment and take photos of the cast and talk to them and congratulate them on their engagement, like firsthand, Like I did that snobby not snobby reality famous people because they are dependent on being reality famous to like exist Los Angeles Um and Sina's extensions look worse in person. I mean, I'm saying Shanna should go on Queer Eye,

just like the emotional like build up. Yeah, exactly. Did you watch the like outtakes episode? I watched the first half of it rules that was like just all these other plotlines they didn't air, But you just made me realize also how much they must film, because there was so much good stuff in this episode that wasn't a real episode, and I was like, this is just as good as all the episodes. We I have to interrupt you guys, because I know that I'm not the only

person who doesn't watch Vanderpump Rules. So Brooke, can you

give the elevator pitch for why everyone should watch? Vander Pump Rules is a show about a restaurant with Hollywood called Sexy Unique Restaurant, Sir Restaurant, Sexyna Restaurant, Restaurant, Um They're the show started, it was about as Stacie h Stacie is one of the main kind of the main girl of this show, but um Stasie sort of said like, we're the hottest at the hottest restaurant, Like neither of which are true, but like that's the delusion that runs

the show. And what's great about this show is all of these people were friends before they started filming, so they're like reference ship that happened like before they were on TV, like the reference like that fight they got into in Florida and like two thousand four, so that was that was when we only knew of them kind of through Real Housewives, and they were like it was a backdoor pilot from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills because at least the vander Pump's restaurant, and the idea is,

like I keep saying, it's like melrose Place. It's like a group of people who like basically lived together, work together, and love together. And there's like a lot of dating between everybody, and then breakups and then everybody cheating and lying. Everybody still has to work together. And because they were all real friends and really like they basically all say like,

this is just what we were like. And then we started filming it and they were trapped in who the characters that they had been when they were twenty trapped as relative but I would say that they own it and are happy to be in these saucy left at one point, which was actually but I was saying, it was like it became like it becomes more relatable the more you watch it. I started watching it because I

was like, who are these people? I would never care about this, And then I was like, they're just like us. They're all like trying to get by in Los Angeles and like make enough money to pay rent and like stay here. Uh, And would you guys on a show like Molly, I feel like you would not look. I don't know. But then I've also thought a lot about like the dystopian future, where like you get to like have a house if somebody like films you in it

twenty four hours ago. Just hypothetically say that someone was like, I'll give you whatever a hundred grand a year. You get healthcare through SAG, which I'm assuming they joined screen Actors guilled and because some guild policies. Right, let's talk guilt politics. But would you what would you be willing to do under those terms if you were going to be a reality star? Okay, I would not do reality circa Jersey Shore first run. I would do Jersey Shore.

I would do reality now so you do like meta self aware kind of Really, I would do it now that it's more fourth wall breaking, and now that there's a way to actually make money when you're not on camera, and now that reality stars are not necessarily in the town square to be pilloried but just sort of accepted

as part of the celebrity class. Yeah, I would do it. Nice. Um. I would never do one of those shows where you have to sign a thing that they can film you twenty four hours a day, which is how love and hip hop I think works really Yeah, which is also I love and hip hop is amazing, but it's like I wouldn't do that because I would need to have

a work life separation. But like if someone came to us tomorrow and was like, hey, we're trying to make like the real bloggers of Tessa's garage, if it were just two friends who smoked, we also like that that you're right though, because like we we couldn't even deal with like being filmed doing a podcast because we are like, well,

we couldn't for our current price tech. But it's perhaps if somebody wants to film I'm I'm leaning towards of rook saying, I mean, really, well, if it weren't twenty four hours a day, if you could say smart like I'm on the clock, I'm off the clock, right, Yeah, I mean that was a smart caveat because I think that that's really the trick, is that it's performative in

much the same way that blogging was. You know, I think we've talked about this a lot with vander Pump, Like the thing with the reunion this year on Van or Pump is that like some of the people understand where the line is more than others on that show, and like figure out a way to have the work life separation. But then if you have it too much, they threatened to demote you if you're like not due

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and every other listening destination. I think reality shows have changed so much in the past fifteen years and what we expect of our reality stars is different. I was listening to a podcast um Invisible, and they were talking about laugh tracks and how laugh tracks were initially brought in to kind of teach people how to watch TV in their homes because it was the first time they were separating from like seeing entertainment live. I was like

sitting at home. So they were like, now you can you can laugh like alone, you can like laugh along with the audience. And I feel like there was a period of time where we had to learn how to watch reality and so they didn't acknowledge that it was a reality show, and they tried to teach it, teach us like, oh, this is just like a normal show,

but it's just like real people. And now I think that wall is breaking down and so they can be more honest of like, this is what I chose to put on camera, and this is what I chose to not put on camera, and this is why. And I think, like Stacy a few years ago, one of the reasons she had a big falling out with Shena. She felt like Sina was spreading around that there was like a sex tape of Stas and saucis like, you know why we're not friends, Like it's about this sex tape, which

is like a common shop actually in reality show. Yeah. Um, but you know so I think like now that we as an audience like understand what reality shows are, I

think it's safer to be a reality star. And I think also, I mean when you consider that fourteen years ago or whatever, you know, nobody was We talked about this, I think in the last podcast of the difference between looking at printed photos, you know, and then the selfies, and like also just being comfortable sharing so much with people, and then all of a sudden, you're like, why is

it really something to like feel self conscious about? At this point, it doesn't even seem that way, right, reality is sort of crossing into just like this is like not that much different from scripted programming. It's just that it's more like improv drama sort of how I think about it. Yeah, And it's on that like incredibly long time scale. The good shows like Mander Pump Rules is amazing because it starts out really strong and then it

gets crazier every season. So at first all the seasons are about like somebody is accused of having cheated on someone, and then the whole season is them denying it and then at the end being like, yeah, Okay, I did it. It's like reality show meets Veronica Mars. Yeah, it's a little bit like a murder mystery of like, you know, did Jack's have sex with a girl? Spoiler always yes.

But then it's like that pattern repeats itself every season, and by like the fifth or sixth time that Jack's is like blowing a relationship by cheating, you're like really invested in Jack's, you know, and you're like it's like Don Draper, You're like, is he gonna like figure it out?

Canny be redeemed, like he seems really self aware to like what makes Jack's a great character, And there's like a lot of like, well, how can you not be self aware in a way after that many seasons of watching yourself on television because not everybody is like but I mean, you get to see what your arc has been formed as right, But if you were Jack's and you like saw your arc, you'd be like, I shouldn't be on television because like, I'm really embarrassing. Its long

con all the time. I think it is like the ring he bought Brittany is worth seventy and he paid fifty k for it. Like that's the kind of money these people are making now. They never would have made that legit, but for the show, they sort of have to pretend that they're still struggling, you know, because that's

like how the show works. Like my friend was talking about how when they opened Tom Tom, it's like they can't invite Jennifer Lawrence and like Rihanna, who are like fans of Vanderpump Rules, because that'll break the wall of like they're dependent on Vanderpump Rules. Though, so in a way because it's not you know, it's not like a building block of a career. It's like you're kind of locked in. So they are still struggling, just in terms of the fact that if they lost vander Pump Rules,

they have to keep the show interesting. Tests you were really excited to hear that your favorite reality show of all time is coming back. Oh, Temptation Island, you know, yeah, it's coming back, but so it's being rebooted along with Wife Swap and Shipwrecked Island, which is a British um it's really Contemptation. Yeah, well it's not exactly. It's not the Crux. Isn't that it's a couple. It's like just a bunch of hot twenty year olds being like, I'm

on a bitch, I'm on a bit. Survivor just like Survivor, but not not making them do anything. I love Survivor, as everybody knows, that's my favorite show. Um the last Survivor, I am the last. The first season of Survivors maybe one of the best things that a person who kept going even though it doesn't build, because it's like new people every y. This is how reality is changing. It's true. I mean, I think what's interesting too is talking about

being dependent on a show. Is Jeff pro just like the best host of all time, and then he went on to host a talk show and I was like, oh my god, Jeff like put him back on the island. It was bad. It was canceled, immediately passed. Would you go on Temptation Island? No? I would never go on Temptation. So Temptation Island the first season was mark during our I think senior year of high school, and uh, it blew my mind that this is on television, like it

really did. It was so so shamelessly horrible. I mean it was like, we're gonna and especially after a couple was revealed to have a child and they lied about it, and then you look at what was shown on this show and it was like a morality where they were really testing the boundaries of what you could do on TV.

And like we always talked about it, but The Swan was really the apack with the Swan was the reality show where they gave a bunch of ugly women plastic surgery makeovers and then they had a beauty contest and it was like the world and then it ruined all their lives. You know what it You know what someone

should do and oh god, there's someone. Someone should just do some kind of a cut on YouTube of the Swan but with Requiem for a Dream music because that's like exactly how you experience I remember this face on the woman that one and I was like, young, yeah, we watched it. I remember also being like wow, like that was what I thought America was going into the dark timeline. But then there was like in between purgatorial

period before things got really weird. I don't know if it's like because I was in high school during the odds, but like, I just have such an obsession with the aesthetics of like of like the two Girls one Pizza thing or two in like the Who's an Instagram person? But like Paris Hilton from back then and like the Rachel Zoe like that was the thing was like I thought I couldn't get worse than that, like oh, this empty consumerism, and then I was like, you know what's

worse than that. It's like white supremacy just but also you ever thought that we would get to white supremacy Parishi And that was also like there's like video of her being racist, Like why are we letting this person be famous just because they're rich? Like it makes no sense. It was all like a dry run I guess maybe a wet run r I p America. And there was like we had the writer strike and so then reality shows blew up. You know, Yeah, that's right. That was

why reality people don't have. People don't talk about that enough, and that's I don't have to pay the writers because reality shows like do have writers really just there in different guilds. Yeah, it doesn't count. It's so funked up. And that was also two dozen seven leading into the writer strike is the summer of Britney Spears using her mind publicly and the beginning of the fall of Lindsay Lowen. Like a lot of things happened in a seven and

very important year. We're gonna look back on it. What was it now? Like eleven years ago? I can't believe. You know, we should we should also just yeah, we should, we should also just be proud of Brittany. I love she looks really happy with her personal trainer boyfriend, and she's painting a lot, and she loves her kids and wear's funny outfits and battle them. She's perfect. You're gonna talk about vaping for a second as a lead into a segment about jam bands, because I feel like those

things are connected. Do you guys have feelings about vaping? So this is all right? Listen. So I've been like often on smoking for like a billion years, and I keep quitting, and I'm about to quit again after having fallen off the wagon. I'm like a most people who know me don't know I do because I do it like during like specific times. Um But I obviously hate that I do it, as I think most everybody does. UM. So in the past, when I've been like leading up

to quitting. I have tried vaping, and I hate vaping. I hate it. Why do you hate about it? A plastic element, which is psycho because I'm like, it must be so unhealthy forget. But it is strange to be like, I'm a cigarette comes from the glass, yes, because there's something about heating up plastic having it be kind of like a rogue industry where they're like anything's better than the old school ways, so just don't worry about it.

I got a really cheapy one because I was like, Okay, I'm gonna quit, like over the weekend, but to like, I'm not going to buy any cigarettes. I'm just gonna like vape and then I'm gonna quit. And it was like a week of me just like staring at this thing, being like what is this thing? I don't know what it is, and then sucking on it. I was like, it feels there's like an element of like putting a toy in your mouth, like a cheap plastic True Detective

Season two, I Tried, Molly Tried my Best. It was a part where one of the characters since he doesn't like vaping because it's like sucking a robot stick if it were a robot stick. It would be metal, and in a way, I'd be better with that, but it's instead it's like Barbie's leg or something. Right, it doesn't seem good to heat up plastic, That's what I'm saying any reason, not like it's good to light a bunch of stuff on fire and suck smoke into your lungs.

But at the same time, it's like I feel maybe vaping has advanced. I'm like, it's always advancing. That's what's

scary about it. They're constantly updating the technology. I don't smoke cigarettes, but I smoke weed vapes, and I've totally like gotten a million different kinds because the technology has updated so many different times in the time since it first became a thing, And every time I'm like, this seems kind of unregulated, and like, uh, you know, if they're tomorrow like this kills you will all be like, well,

we didn't. But it's also so different like if you if you smoke weed and then you vape using one of those pens, it's like a different sensation where you're like, I'm not stoned, I'm not stoned, and then you leave the house and you're like, oh, I was super stoned, but it's a totally different sensation. Yeah. Gia Tolentino Rede a really good article for The New Yorker about jewels and like the cult of vaping. Um that was mostly about like kids vaping and how the kids loved a

vape and you can't stop them from vaping. And I was like, of course they loved a vape for the same reason kids love to smoke cigarettes. It's because adults don't want you to. And especially really with vaping, it's like they can do it anywhere. And we were talking about this so as like as the listeners may have noticed, I am watching the new season of Jersey Shore and um, so I haven't watched MTV and years and they have the anti vaping ads like all the time do they

make They said that there's one that tastes like Captain Crunch. Yeah, that's the thing that I was, like, what the fun is everything I've ever wanted? Yeah, Like the ads, the anti vaping ads that they put out are like, uh, supposed to get you not to want a vape by being like they're advertising these two kids and kids are gonna like get if. They have a campaign called Flavors

hook kids that I saw Flavors hook me. I saw the billboard and I like almost took a picture of it because it was like it was like vapes with like vapes as an ice cream cone and then just like ice cream on top, and all of the ads are like that. They're like a vape with like a cloud of cotton candy coming out of it. I was like,

these are the best vape ads I've ever we're seen. Honestly, these are going to do more to get kids start vaping than like any actual When I was in high school, I smoked clothes because I didn't like, Yeah, that's what it reminds me of. Yeah, the clothes like tasted like so good, And that's like what vaping is now, I think, because it is a rebellion, but it's like drinking. It's

a rebellion. And like the fact that adults hate it and that adults wanted to like be gone, it's of course going to make kids want to do it more. Like my friend who's a teacher at a high school was saying that like all the kids do is vape during their breaks, you know, and that he just makes fun of them by being like Hey, you guys vaping some fat clouds like mock them and they're like yo. But like I I personally find the flavored vapes really gross.

They remind me of like flavored hookah kind of you know, it's like that too. Really I'm into this. I'm like brook multi layers. Now. I grew up in like trashy white like white Trashville, USA, so like I have a lot of trash. Are you drinking Fresca? Um? No, I've never been a soda person because I've also always been like California. So it's just flavored vapes. It's like the yeah, clothes, Yes, I love clothes. Um. For a while I was drinking

Fresca and going fresca vodkas and hookah. I think that's like just the worst, Like before I die, the flash that's very vodka gives me like full on like two thousand five visceral bad flashbatts. Yeah. The thing of like I don't know, I'm just like, am I being a libertarian If I'm like, don't you can't ban flavors? Like what's the point like the genies out of the bottle? And also like all these people make like homebrew vape juice.

So even if they do band flavors, I feel like there will still be people being like, yo, I've got the cotton candies. Speaking of two thousand seven, remember when there were all those gossip stories about everybody doing like blow cut with strawberry quick No, oh, well because Diane Feinstein didn't she recently? Uh like last day, Diane Einstein getting super lit on strawberry day coke is the best thing. I would vote for her if she did that. Well.

I feel like last year she was like everyone, we have a lot of problems, but right now we need to really worry about the strawberry quick cut with drugs. And she got made fun of also by me. I took it. I was like I care about this cause where I was like, just it's not a real thing,

like Snopes looked into it. It's not really I mean it was a real thing with like Lindsey Lohan and people who we're gonna put whatever you want in your drugs, but you're not like I'm going to market this meth to children by making it taste straw All those I know that this joke has been made, where all those drug dealers that are giving me free drugs to get hooked. I never met that person. Well you know, don't look for us standing outside the playground handing out the vapes

or anything. But you know, I got it. I got a side with the kids that vape. It seems like there are less downside than like regular smoking. I guess the idea is to like get kids like hooked and then they buy the things forever, which is still you know, but um there was the main thing I saw that was from Geo's article was that you can get something called popcorn lung which well what I envisioned was much worse than what I'm envisioning envisioning like lungs made of popcorn.

But it's actually I think it's like the thing you would get from being in a movie theater lobby that had the like coconut oil haze in the area at the time, where it's just like you're like, lungs get clogged with oil. But that happened, happens with like some bad vapes, I think, but are like movie theater employees like at risk. Yeah, that was like another like eighties news story. I feel like where it was like people are getting popcorn long from like working in the pop

hashtag the rig and era, why the problem? That's why they stopped having that butter wasn't that called world that was in the cafeteria college. Stuff that burnt doesn't burn. It's a super high temperature. But then it's like in the air or something. Guys speaking of something in the air, spaking of hazes in the air. Um, we were going to take a nightcall. Hey, Molly tests and Emily. This is Mike Ferguson. I was just calling to Reference for

the Nightcall pod. The conversation we were having on Twitter about Fish and the Grateful Dead, and I want to hear opinions. I'm curious to what people think about it, if there's been an impact, Emily, if you like it

or hate it, or are unexposed to it. The real question I have is, if you were to introduce somebody to either band, what song would you choose that would lead them to listen to a lot more of that band and part two of that What song would you choose if you were going to play something for someone who had never heard Grateful Better Fish and get them to never listen to another Grateful Better Fish song. I hope you're well and looking forward to it. We've been

wanting to talk about jam bands for a while. Tests and I have a lot of feelings. Well, my my first feeling is fuck Fish so much. Uh and uh the Grateful Dad are great, Tess. What about you? Do you like when someone exhales like that on a podcast? Exhales like you were Drake about to tell me your cat, exhales like that approaching him because he isn't about to attack Disdane. Just so. I got into Fish in high school.

That's when everyone gets into fish. Um. It's hard to know that you don't have a leg to stand on, you know what I mean? Like, I can't defend them, but I like them. I also love the Grateful Dead. Similarly, there are so many I think I talked on Twitter about this. So Molly's dad is a really big deadhead. Both your parents are deadheads. Yeah, yeah, more you're dead Maybe I don't know. Yeah, your dad wouldn't play. My uncle is on like a dead radio show. We are

deadheads in my family. It's not that I reject Fish because it's like they're they're newer. It's just because they're bad. They are bad, but they're also good. It's one of those things in life. Their lyrics make me feel like

worms are like crawling all over me. They have the most embarrassing lyrics of all They're so embarrassing, but you can't explain if you're into fish, there's you know, the lyrics are embarrassing and you've been through that embarrassment internally and processed it and from being like hard to explain why like one is good and the other's bad, because it's like I understand why they're superficially similar, but it's like it's like South Park and Family Guy. You know,

it's like interesting. It's like no, it's just it's different. It's like one, they're good musicians, and like they're bad. Singing is good, and Fish, I just even they're good, singing is so bad. I found this I was looking at like really hot takes on fish, So you have to if you haven't already, watched a short video called what Fish sounds Like to people who don't like Fish.

Um Gawka reposted it in and it's just this mash up of concert footage with like isolated instruments, snippets and vocals that just sounds like if you had like a toddler in a room with like a bunch of kitchen stuff. To be honest, that is what it sounds like. You have to earn the noodling. You can't just like start from outer space. You have to like start from earth, says who says the jam band decider that is me.

I mean, I think to answer mixt question about what song would you play to make someone be into this band and against this band? Like I'm curious what you would say grateful. I know you can't name a fish song. I can name several fish songs, like what name them? Welcome? This is our farmhouse, that's the I think the name is armhouse. Right is at an album called farmhouse album called owned a fish album? Because I wanted to like fit in, uh and I threw it in the trash

trash did you have lawn boy? I know, I hate that you're just like you're looking so disgusted right now. It's because again it's like I can't fully articulate why like why it's bad and the Grateful Dead are good because again it's like it's the same kind of like fan culture, I guess. But you know one thing we can all agree on is that the Dave Matthews band garbage. No, they're good. If they're good, they're they're kind of okay, they're Oh my god, you have to go through. It's

not my wheelhouse. I will say my two favorite flavors of Ben and Jerry's are cherry Garcia and fish food. There you go. Um, and I really loved the finale of Freaking Geeks where she goes on tour with the Dead So the being a Deadhead has always been an aspiration of mine, But whenever I've started a song, I just immediately switched it. It It came not and that's just my truth. Well, you're like a more of a club kid.

I'm like a basic bitch from you know, You're like you're you're specifically a club kid, which I feel like is like adjacent to being a Deadhead. It's just a totally different style of music. But it's still about like late night psychedelic Thanks Molly Vibes. It's true. And we didn't meet in the club. We met in a club

back and I are friends from the club from the club. Um. Well, that's what I like about it in theory is the idea of like everyone's your friend at the dead show, and that is what I liked about that Freaxing Geeks episode two. I also love that whole thing where the hippie girl that becomes Anna and Osi and she's like, I wish I'd never heard American Beauty, so I could they listen to it for the first time? Yeah, Like I've always wanted to be that person. But then it's

just I'm not you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean I like lots of other music, and I don't think I could subsist on a diet of like pure jam bandary. No. Never, you have to you add it in when you're in the mood. It's like a good driving like you're having a thoughtful drive. Like my thing about Dave Matthews band is I just feel like they

were like our journey. It's like it was like mandatory to like go see them for you know, which is why I think also and Ladybird people were so like ready for that, because it was like if you grew up in California in a certain time period or like any kind of like I don't know, any suburban place. I guess it was just like that's what everybody liked. I mean, it's not that it's not embarrassing to acknowledge how many Dave Matthews concerts you went to, which I think,

like we're talking doubled we went to. We went to see some Tim Reynolds solo. Oh my god, I'm just outing us as some true damn behead. But then you go through the period of extreme self loathing where you're like, no, I never did, and then someone finds your case logic and the like you did, you didn't if we're going to redeem it now, like it's actually like, you know, it's a pretty a better band than Fish obviously. Look, but with Fish, I mean, there are just times when

you feel when you have silly moods. That's why you can't hate Fish is because they're silly people. You know. Jake Kang was making an argument on Twitter the other day that Fish age better than Pavement, which I think also is what spawned this. Well Pavement, I mean, Stephen Malcolmus.

We went to a Steven Malcolmus concert and he just seemed like so upset to be there, like he was such a grump, And I was like, you know, that's the thing about a Fish show is it's all about just like you know, being in a certain mood, like a jelly bones mood, jelly bones dinner in a movie. I think, I just want to watch you. I don't know anything, but I want to watch you do covers of this. I think, Oh, I'd love to cover fish

my musical talents. I'd like to like build an ideal sort of like Lot scenario because I'm a big fan of like imaginary commerce of the Grateful Dead Lot universe. You know, people make like bootleg shirts. I like all the bootlegging. Do you have a favorite a favorite song of the Grateful deads? No, Man, you know there's too much.

I have to say that if I were going to make someone not like the Grateful Dead, I would play them the version of St. Stephen that was on your dad's bootleg where it sounded like they were just like, it's like the vocal equivalent of if you're stumbling around the dark. Yeah, I should admit that. I like also don't have a leg to stand on with some of my Fateful Dead fandom, but like because some of my arguments were like, yeah, you know, when they funk up,

the harmony is really bad, really sounds so human. Yeah, you know they're not Crosby Steels and Nash they're not going to nail it every time, even when they're flying high on a unicorn. I'm just saying so funny. I

love that, you know. It's like cool because we did a pot about goths and I was like, I always wanted to be a goth, but I'm just like such a hippie and like my friend Caitlin and my friend from elementary school, she was like, you were kind of like Ta Panga from Boy Meets World on like the early Boy Meets World, and she was like the girl who wore like a big earth T shirt every day and before she turned into like business suit, right, yeah, she turned into into hot to Panga. Yeah, but you're

also just Lisa Simpson. Well, we're all Lisa Simpson, and it is just like different versions of Lisa Simpson. We're all Lisa Simpson. In that episode where they go to the beach for the summer and she like wears a tight eyed shirt and follows the grateful dad. Every like smart girl on every TV show is said to like the dead. It's like every smart girl on every TV show is like trying to be less neurotic and more more loosey goosey, and that's what's good about the jam

band culture. I mean, the good thing about jam band culture too, is that I feel like there's something where it has been inaccessible to women at times, you know, like almost everything, um, but when you get into fish and like you're not doing it as a like, you realize how embarrassing it is, but just feels good. I think there's something that's very You've made me fish mom. Fish. I'm going to call you fish mom from now on.

As you know what, You're right, there comes a time when you should not care what other people think about what music you like, and that time is definitely now, and uh pro fish mom. Yeah. I feel like that's an important moment for everyone to just like own what they actually listened to and stop like trying to be cool.

Like I was listening on some Spotify playlist. It like my Girls by Animal Collective came up, and I think someone made the joke on Twitter a while ago that like my Girls ruined music, and I was listening to it and I was like, oh, like, I don't have to ever pretend to a dude ever again that I like Animal Collective? Do you not like Animal? They're fine?

But when I was like in high school. I was like, I'm like obsessed, but I was literally only listening to Snoop talk like but to every dude it was like I love the books, but like, no, I didn't you know. I'm will collective, a very jam band, possibly a jam band. Let us know whether you're thinking I'm all collective or a jam band and what it means to be a jam band today and a fan of jam bands. Um, I feel like post Malone is a little bit like

inching into jam band just with his general esthetic. You know, he looks like a guy that sells T shirts and a lot. Wouldn't he just get tattooed on his face? Um, always tired? I think that's a very jam band tattoo. It was also, this is maybe what made me think of jam bands, was that there was a new story that a fan of his did a meet and greed and passed out from smelling. But yes, I'm a fan of his, A fan of his inhaled his musk. Couldn't take it, couldn't take it. Um, So that's probably the

downside to the jam band lifestyles. The smells, the general smells. Um, let us know your thoughts on smells at too four. I love this spot. Wait wait for real letters. Let us know your thoughts on smells, questions about smells, thoughts about jam bands, banderpump rules, leggings, jockstraps, uh podcast based romances, and also email us at Night Call Podcast at gmail

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of course. Everybody vapor fat cotton, candy Cloud to some sweet sweet jam bands and go watch the ape Ship video because it's cool. Yeah. Nice, bye guys, Thanks for having me, guys, Thank you so much, Broke. This was awesome. It's really fun. Thanks for coming. See you not next week. We're taking next week off and we will be back the following week. More Night Call Pod. Easy for me to say I've been jam banding too much. Past Husbands President pussy Ca