Night of the Night Mouse

a slightly more awake than last week. I agreeted Test by saying like, I've had the perfect amount of coffee, and she thought I was commenting on how much coffee she appeared to have had, which is not the exactly right about of coffee. It's a real victory when you hit it, and then it's very easy to go over and under from there. I went over the line on milk tea again the other day. I like, when will you learn? I waited back in It's just it's too delicious.

It's the problem. I need something like coffee that takes a little longer to drink. Although very specific gripe, I know the straws. The straws debate, um, the plastic straws are bad. I have to say that paper straws. Paper straws are the worst foible. It's like people are like, this is my Curb your Enthusiasm episode where like something there's a mix up with a paper straw. But like, I am a person who drinks to drink very slowly and paper straws of ruined my ability to do that

because you have to get five minutes. You're gonna embrace against the straw. I went out with my whole family, and it was like it was just so funny to see people struggling with their straws, with their paper straws, like it's disintegrating in your mouth and get pulp and like the liquid won't travel through. It's such a ridiculously stupid so it's like a pixie stick. They're like they just don't work very well. No, they're not very good as straws. Uh turns out, but I think I might

get a metal straw because of this. I have a reusable plastic straw. Refused to give up my straw. Yeah, what are the logistics of the reusable straw? Do you carry it in your person? Gets filled with like question and I use it home and then I have a to go cup that it fits in so when I'm going out, I put it in the cup and then take it out. I did buy a reusable cup, like a decent thermis. I'm trying to use more. I hate drinking with my mouth regular without the accessory of a

strike straw. Love a straw called straws called straws. What about bamboo though, I'm serious, is there is that just as bad as plastic? Somehow seems like it's probably more recyclable than plastic. I mean, the only with bamboo grows faster. It is a more renewable. It's renewable, and doesn't it kind of it grows like in the shape of a straw. It's already be a straw, stand up, hemp straw, straw,

braided straw. Also, though, we should all raise ourselves if you say anything even remotely against the complete banning of straws, Like if you're even dissing the paper straw, there's going to be someone who's very well, it's just listen, I'll take the hip for us. I think it's ridiculous. It's one of these things. It's it's it's a it's a it's a trees for the forest type of things. It's a. It's targeting one thing and being like, look, we solved

this enormous I'm drinking from Gregory's coffee right now. I'm calling Gregory's coffee out. They put it in two cups because I guess they're out of sleep, So I've got double the paper and then I've got a plastic glud on top of it. That's ridiculous. Uh yeah, then when make you sit down and use a washable cup and say enjoy your tea. Hey, folks, if you love true stories about extraordinary life experiences, we think you'll love the

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Who's who's to say we're late? We're right on time for us, We're on our Remember does does everyone remember the NBC campaign if you haven't seen it, It's new to you. Yes? What is that from the nineties when they ran from summer ran reruns summer reruns That that was the ad campaign was if you haven't seen it, It's new to you, something I think about all the

time because it's true. It's also how all of my jokes are that I try on people before doing them on the podcast, or if someone is my friend but doesn't listen to my podcast, I'm like, hey, this joke. I haven't heard this show Trade Secrets Um. We are all watching American Crime Story The Assassination of Johnny versaci Um, which was on FX last year but is now on Netflix. So uh, those of us uh slash all of us who don't have cable can watch it at our leisure

on Netflix. I don't know. I was a big fan of the first American We all loved the People Versus o J. I think every episode of North Mollywood my old podcast was about the People Versus OJA or the

ESPN six part oj documentary. Oh yeah, there was. I mean that it's funny because it in some ways it feels like it would be redundant to have both things come out within a year, but they were so different, like they scratched different itches, and I think it's really it remains hard to make the argument for People versus o J as a piece of entertainment that's not pure camp because I think that that's kind of how it was announced, especially when they were just announcing who was

playing who, it was like, oh my god, like John Travolta is going to be playing Robert sha Biro, that kind of thing. Um, So that I think some of that sort of overshadow, and like the whole Kardashian stuff

was a little wee key in it, but also great. Again, I feel like that show was less camp than I expected because I was very afraid about it because I was like, Wow, what an interesting thing to do a show about but also like Ryan Murphy not known for his nuanced takes on racism, but then I didn't write it, so it was pretty nuanced and good. And again I think it's like if something is camp, but you play it seriously enough, then it's like melodrama. And that's what

this show that we're going to talk about is all about. Well, I skipped it the first when it first came out.

I have effects, but I didn't watch it because I felt and also I think I had I had seen the people versus O J. But then in the assassination of Gianni Versati American Crime Stories, like it's official title, UM, I think when the family was coming out and saying how deeply hurtful it was, I was kind of like, um, I don't know if I can like go for this because again, like you think it's going to be camp.

This is based on Maureen Orth's book Vulgar Favors, which I think the family had like denounced the you know when it came out and said it was based on speculation and gossip, and like I just kind of imagined how it would feel pretty much. So it was Versagi's family and Antonio Demiko, Um pretty much everyone who was close to Versacey and then Andrew Cunanan's family also were obviously very upset by it, and I think, um, two of his siblings co wrote a book that was like

a more sympathetic version. I think I've heard, and I'm not sure that this is verifiable, but someone in his family said that he was like framed by the FBI

and that he was innocent. I think it may have actually been his father, Modesto, But that was all after I finished watching this and was like I need more, And there was a threat on Reddit about it where um it was like a distant family member of Andrew kinnin In came on and was like answering questions about how the family felt about the series and all that

kind of stuff. Yeah, I mean I went on the jazz Abel podcast The Dirt Cast and talked about some of this true crime stuff about like where do you draw the line of like it being exploitative of actual humans? It is exploitative, Well, the question is united can it stand on its own? I feel like the question is also like does it have something to say besides just like some gratuitous violence like the Ted Bundy one. To me is just like too depressing. And that's where I

draw the line. I'm like, are we just here to gauc at the murdering? You're here to actually have some hindsight, have the ability to have the hindsight. And I think what Emily said, think about it. Yeah, what Emily said about the o J Show and other things is like, what makes the o J Show or the o J Case in general interesting is that it's like not just

about a murderer. It's about like a murderer, and it's about like systematic racism and policing and the world the murder takes place, yeah, and the world and like this rich yeah, a bunch of different. It's about Los Angeles obviously. Also so this murder the Versaci show is about also about class very intensely. Uh, But it's also about homophobia and policing, and that is what makes it sort of

more than just like, uh a lionization of a serial killer. Completely. Yeah, I mean I that was definitely like some of the more kind of redeeming moments. I loved it. I super loved it with no reservations. But you know, I think the only reason that I could feel like it wasn't just exploitation was because it did have kind of like broader themes than you would get just from a sort of straight telling of it. Can I make a request

right up top? I am not finished it. No spoilers have so I've gotten basically through the second Finn wit Rack episode, the one about Jeff Trail, who was um Andrew Canyanion's first victim. I believe. I've been also like very hesitantly googling, even though it feels so stupid because it's like on the it's a matter of public record and it's all out there. But I'm like, I don't

want to know what happens. Like it's very suspenseful, and yeah, we're saying like it's difficult to be as a show because it makes you feel kind of terrible and like

full yeah and anxiety. But the interesting thing is, as far as I can tell, is that I have now gotten through all the episodes with murders in them, which I feel like it's a very interesting dramatic structure for this show to topload it with the murders because of the nature of it's going backwards and time structure, and so you get all that stuff first, but you still have a ton of questions about what happened and who this guy is and why this happened. So then that's

what it. That's the actual climax is Like, that's funny you say that too, because I'm like, oh, the top loading with Murders is like psycho and he's giving such a like Anthony Perkins and Psycho energy where you're like, oh, this person is like a sociopath, but like for some reason they have this like you feel sad for them. Yeah, yeah, no, no,

tote really. I mean I think Darren Chris is doing a very good job and he's amazing, which not everyone used to give him such a hard time when he was Somebody said something really smart on my Twitter where they were just like, oh, it's like somebody saw the sort of like polished thing he was selling on Glee and was like, let's lean into how that could possibly be, which you could probably do for every single cast member on Glee. Yeah, any of them is anyone with a

theater energy. There are some great performances in this show from the most random assortment of people, like yeah, Max Schmidt, Schmidt fucking steals the show. I have never seen him so against type and he was. It was such a like forever to identify him. No, if you don't know it's coming, because like I didn't know who was in the show. Yeah, you're just like who is this amazing actor? And then you're like, holy shit screen Field. Um he

plays a meth head hustler. But he um they like make friends when when when Andrews like hold up in this beach side motel before and after killing VERSACEI um, Judith Light was so amazing as Marylyn Midland. Yeah, and who knew I mean people knew Marylyn maghlan is interesting. If you've ever seen her on the home shopping network, Um, she's still on it. She I'm not sure she still is, but she was for a while after I had never

heard of her. And that is a whole interesting plot. Yeah, I mean it just made me find out that I knew nothing about this story. Actually. Well also her so like Lee Migland's estate, I think like vehemently denies any kind of relationship that um he may have had with Andrew Cunanan that was put forth in Earth's book. And so that's like another kind of yeah family that's like

not right without without spoiling anything. Like what is interesting about this show is that it sort of deals with this like under world of you know, stuff that people don't want made public, uh, closeted people, and that he sort of took advantage of this by being like a hustler among people that he could then you know blackmail

or well. I was like, I haven't watched it all the way at the end, but the feeling I'm getting from this first half of episodes and he's kind of like this boogeyman of gay shame in a way, like because he the position that he has and you know, kind of moving in and out of people's lives and sort of especially closeted people, like kind of sort of taking advantage but also like fulfilling a need and um in a way kind of disrupts a lot of people's lives.

Like it's kind of different for everybody, and UM, I just think it's super interesting. Like in this one, it is interesting because so far he's such a cipher canyan is UM, but everybody else is kind of really fleshed out to the degree that they can be. In one episode, the episode that where he passes through their life and you kind of see all these different shades of this guy kind of um yeah being Yeah, I I Boogeyman is like the only one I could think of to

like character, very talented Mr Ripley. Also, Yeah, just generally it's this idea. It's about class also in this idea of like people being feeling entitled to a certain lifestyle and then being just like ruthless sociopaths to get there. Yeah, there's something about him where he cleared like a talented Mr.

Ripley type character. He just hates himself so much that like the only way he can accept himselves is by like being having some kind of proximity to power or you know, a higher economic class or something like that, or like some level of security that other people have. I was watching and I was like, you know, in some ways, sociopaths or this kind of person, they're like a one person cult. Like the way that they kind of prey on somebody else's insecurities. It felt very uh yeah,

it was really interesting. Also, they featured religion in really interesting ways. And Emily, I don't know if you got this far, but um, there were there was like an altar in yeah, yeah, and Lee Megan's house that's super interesting. Also, we should maybe even talk about this again. But um, the penultimate episode, I think where they kind of go into Andrew's relationship with his dad is a really I know everybody is like, just wait till you get to

the dad episode. It's just it's it's like it has all the strengths of the show, which is that it's like it's basically an anthology show inside an anthology. It's like each episode is a different episode in his life that tells you something about him, um, and usually brings some actor that you're like, wow, who is that? Yep? Oh. Also, I have to say that, like I had never seen the woman who played his like former best friend Lizzy who Um, if you followed what you know, if you

followed the assassination and you may have seen her. She had like a televised plea for him to turn himself in that was right around when he committed suicide. No spoiler alert. But she was so good. It's Annalie Ashford and I've never seen her before. She she's like a

Broadway person. She was really fantastic. But it's interesting because watching the whole thing, there's really only one person who was always like who was never wronged by him and who always was kind of loyal to him, and that's her um, And their whole relationship is explored in like bits and pieces, but she doesn't get her whole episode. And she knew him. I think Wikipedia said that they met in junior high and then we're friends for a

long time. That's different from how the move or how the mini series portrays it, but um, I don't know. It was interesting to me because I was like, what's her deal? That he never targeted her and she seemed to have like no clue what was going on. Everyone else seemed kind of aware. We gotta help one person in the cult with you. I guess he was the godfather to her kids. Yeah what what spot We're going

back to the true crime thing, Molly. Like the fact we're all like spoilers, like, you know, for a real life event. Yeah, I feel like that's the one kind of tricky thing to do is just like, no matter how smartly or kind of incisively are able to dramatize a real life tragedy or series of tragic events, you do like you just by putting a plot on it, like suddenly it becomes a thing of like like yeah, spoilers or or it like it becomes a commodity for

your or anything that's like a real life story. I've been talking about like the Oscars or last night and had a lot of those, a lot of oh you

guys want my hot take about real life stories. Real life stories are the franchise for people who think they don't like franchise, totally agree with things cannot get greenlit that are like purit fiction and nata um uh part of a franchise, like can you just do the Fargo where you pretend it's based on real events, although actually Fargo is based on a real incident where somebody puts somebody in a woodchipper, very loosely based. I found it's

like the first episode of Forensic Files. It's like some famous Midwestern I think murderer were somebody put their wife in a woodchipper, so he used that as his cue for like the herald. Uh yeah, And it was the same thing of like they saw they saw the blood in the snow, and that was how people figured it out. Um. Also I read that so Donna tell of or saw she had kind of she I think she kind of stood with the family and saying like this is bullshit,

like this movie shouldn't be made whatever. But my bro, Johnny, I've been doing my my Cruise as Donna Teller around my house and she's great. She's so good and also interesting. Is that so? Yeah? Donna Tella didn't like the movie. But then Penelope Cruz is like friendly with Donna Tella and was like, is it okay if I play you? And she was like oh sure, and then and maintained

like no, no, no on this movie. And then I guess like when Penelope Cruise was at the Golden Globes that year, Donna Tella center a bouquet that said good luck because of course it's who doesn't want it very flatter? Yeah, yeah, they do portray her flattering. I think that was a

very like orchestrated decision there. I also could not at the time believe that it was not going to be Lady Gaga because she had just done American Story and want to Emmy for it on our way to the egot any moment now um, and it was just so so obvious that she should play Donna Telliver Sacci, and then she didn't do it because I think Donna Tella

would have been like, no, well, there they're buddies. Though, Like I feel like it was around art pop or something, because she has a song got Yeah called Donna Tella. I think, well, I do think that her performances Donna Tella would have been like a little more art can't be than Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, they quiet dignity. She got an oscar. It's fine, that's true. I also love the Maya Rudolph Donna Tellah. That's all I was thinking give out. And I feel like Donna Tella must

love that too, because it immortalized her further. Well again without spoiling anything about the show, but again talking about like the themes of the show being kind of like class and striving and all this stuff, and they talk about the Versace siblings also, maybe I'm just like I love the Versace siblings because they're siblings who work together in Santo even talk. Yeah, for a while, I was like, oh, that must be Donna Tella is like significant others. Let

us now praise Ricky Martin. Oh, yeah, he's so amazing. I love how like there's genuinely a sweet love story between them in the middle of all this It doesn't feel like it's just shoehorned in to be manipulative. For sure. It's like a complex, like years spanning relationship between them that I feel like. It's really smartly played and so good.

The reason it works is because it has so much sympathy and empathy for all the victims, you know, like, you don't come out of it like team Andrew Kunanan. You come out of it like this is such a fucked up, complicated situation and the police sucked it up so bad, much like the O J Show. You know You're like the Lee Meiglan episode I have to say was particularly difficult for me to watch. Yeah, it was a really tough watch, especially considering how the family felt

about his death and like the circumstances. It's so intense and yet at the same time there's this layer of like, wow, older actress Judith Light is getting this roll of a lifetime to emote and do all this stuff. Well, she's also she was so good and transparent and it's I mean, she's just it's interesting to see how often how like her career has kind of taken off in like this

different direction. Now super strong but super like tiny, frail she's like boss No, but she I mean it's I would say she was a tough lady, but then you know, Tony Danza had to do all the domestic labor. What she says to be so brittle now I know. I mean it's the boss um. One other thing that I really appreciate the show that kind of runs counter to how upsetting and like troubling a lot of it is. And some what night we're inducing is like, oh those

interiors nineties Miami buttery leather. Yeah, it's very it's very brettystone Elsie totally well, the room that they're the lobby. I I just said this out loud, like while I was watching it, but the lobby of the like shitty motel that he stays in on the beach. Suddenly I was just because it's just like this perfectly pink room with like tons of light flooding in, and I was just like, I want to be in that room right now.

That's also why I wanted you guys to watch, because I was like, this is such a night call bait because it's like it's such a lazy. Yeah, it's the most glass bricks show. Yeah, I really like this show it's very depressing. Also great music. I was, Oh, Gloria used to the best effect I've ever seen. It was

it Lisa Brannigan or whatever. I know this because my dad for a long time would be like that song Gloria, and we would think he met the Van Morrison Gloria, and then he would try and sing it Gloria, right, But it's like he wouldn't really remember the tunes like Gloria Gloria. I was like, right, the Van Morrison, No, no, no, Gloria Gloria. But that's one of my favorite scenes from you know, singing in the car to Gloria. What a

care free murder spree moment um? What what song would you guys set your murder scene too in a show? Such a good question. I have my answer. Okay, go ahead, okay, Oh Sherry. I've just really been enjoying o' sherry recently because you've been listening to Ca ser Yeah, and it has a little intro, that weird keyboard intro where goes like dune done, Dune, Dune, Dune, Dune, Dune done, Dune done like a carnival ride is breaking. Yeah, I don't know.

Crimson and Clover can't go wrong. You gotta pick something that's like ironically upbeat. But the funniest thing in the movie The Snowman that I will talk about all day every day. Have you guys seen The Snowman? I talked about on Molly's Mr. Mr Police Officer. Mr. Police Officer, I gave you all the clues. I haven't seen it. They had I think a whole Johnny Greenwood score that they scrapped and instead just put in some music at

the end. And one of the things they did is set all the murder one of the murders to the popcorn dance. No, so somebody is getting murdered with an accent. It's like a whole bad for the popcorn song. I have to recommend everything about everybody should watch The Snowman. It is the funniest, unintentionally funniest movie. Well, we should watch The Snowman maybe next week. So we have a night email and subject of two things we like a lot all the time. Anyway, this comes to us from Jordan's.

Jordan writes, hello, nightcall. My college was built in eighteen o eight, but there has been a Catholic church here since since the sixteen hundreds. Anyway, we have this massive graveyard that's that's just chilling in the woods that's not on any campus maps and they just don't tell anyone about it. But there are also a lot of Confederate soldiers and Union soldiers buried in it. Since we were

close to the Gettysburg Battlefield. Freshman year, me and my friends used to drink cheap liquor late at night in the graveyard, which really wasn't fun since it was bloody, terrifying drinking in the pitch black forest. Not to mention, there were all these wild cats that would just pop out randomly and hiss, causing much screaming and running in terror,

just normal college stuff. The cats every once in a while venture around the normal part of campus, jumping out at unsuspecting victims from the bushes late at night, most likely the seminarians and the priest lea food and water out for them. Due to this, I am graduating with a very real fear of cats and a useless degree. L O. L au revoir Jordan's Uh ghost cats, guys, So Molly recently saw a magical cat. I do see

a magical cat. That's right. We got this email no the day it's no. Yeah, yeah, uh, we're counting it as snow. It was technically I'm going to call it sleep sleep and it only has it was a wet snow. It was a wet snow, but it was frozen. We're counting it. But yeah. I went into this store. There was a kimono store in Pasadena called Kimono No Koba

that is cool. And I was in there and the woman was who owns up was talking about how her cat was feeling sick so she had brought him in to come hang out, and how it was a lucky calico cat that looks like the lucky cat, the like cat that waves its hand. She's like, it's because there's three different colors. That's the calico um And so I said high to the cat. It was so cute. It was really cute and awesome and I'm pro shop cats

in general. Yeah. And then I walked outside and got in my car and it started like pouring rain that then became snow. Uh for about two minutes. And you think the cat did this? Yeah, for sure, the cat did it. I'm pretty sure that sounds right. It was a lucky cat. I also bought many tapestries because I was saying, what I have to have to help feed this cat? You bought many taps. I just bought a tapestry your coat of many colors. I bought a tapestry

of cats and hot tubs. Oh my god, it's great. Um, Emily, do you believe in pets having magical abilities or being kind of portentous? My experience with like ghost cats sort of is more on the realm of orbs and photos. Like I've known some cats that just like don't turn up in photos very well, Like they turn up, but it's like like they never exposed correctly or something. Um. Like, there's this cat in a house that I was house

sitting at once, and I like it was back. I was like still using a film camera and I was like trying to take a picture of it, and it just like never the picture would come out fine, but it would just be like an outline of the cat where the cat was. But that's that's all I have really for ghost cats. I'm I'm I'm allergic to cats. Um. This doesn't really affect my opinion one way or the other on what about ghost dogs or the movie Ghost

or the movie Ghost. Um, I don't know. I don't know that I've ever encountered anything that I would I would think of as being a ghost. Dog or cats seem much more likely to be able to come. What about a ghost coyote? Um, I mean like a coyote

is plenty. Regular coyote is fine. I asked on the night Call facebook page if people had experiences with their pets like seeing ghosts or you know, being other worldly in some way, and many people said that yes, which is unsurprising because obviously I know this to be true. I have like way too many animals, so I feel like I know that they are in touch with spirits, et cetera. Um. But someone had a picture of their cat just staring at a place on the or which

has if you google like do cats see ghosts? People are like yeah, because when they stare at that spot on the floor, what do you think they're looking at? It's a ghost. Um. Someone else said that they're like their parents cats I think had passed away, but they still smell the litter boxes in like waves. You know, it's like the cats ghost visiting. Um. But I I

super believe in ghost cats. I was like, that's the rudest ghosts just like sprits as it's ghost, get to like keep the like a nice memory of the cat. It's very territorial ghost. Yeah. Um, we used to have a cat who came by our house like he was someone's outdoor cat. And his name was Mr Kitty and he was like a very very smart, wonderful cat and he always, like you know, he seemed to like come by whenever we were outside, but when we look out

the window trying to spot him, we can never find him. Uh. And he passed away, But then we kept seeing a cat who looked exactly like him with a exact same collar in our yard. Very weird reincarnated Mr Kitty. Oh you know my parents first my first cat was my parents took it in because it looked exactly like our old cat who had passed away. We had a cat whose name was Bluey. And then this cat just started like appearing all the time that looked just like it was a black and white cat, and we took it

in and named Schmooe. I really liked the cat. She was great, and she was a reincarnated version of the previous cat. That's the thing. But that thing, it was like she just appeared and was hanging suddenly appeared after that cat was no longer around. Um, it felt a little bit faded. I guess the reincarnation thing always seems like the right tack to take when interpreting the meaning of it. I don't know, would times like wouldn't that

be nice? Like Barbara sand We've already had an entire podcast. I've just said, like, if I had the money, I would just go out my dog tomorrow, Like I would just do it. I wouldn't think about it. Correct, I've already signed the papers. Yeah, it's been done. But I would not clone my cats, even though I like them a lot. In fact, one of them I've had for

like almost seventeen years. It's the longest relationship I've ever had. Uh, And I love him, but I don't I don't think he would want to be reincarnated, whereas I think my dog would. It feels like cats will just like find their way back through the spirit world anyway, whereas like dogs might need a little bit of help. Dogs, I think are more often young souls and cats are old. I'm a dog person, just putting it out there that I did I prefer dogs. I could just you can.

You can go out and about with your dog, but with your cat. It's like, neither of my cats would like go on a leash. I'd feel like I was putting on a big show about them when I see a very different kind of relationship. It's like a friend you only see one on one instead of like one that you go out parties. I'm saying, is what you want to be on a leash? Look, this is you're tying it back to American crime story when a donna Tella's dress, where it was like is she on a Yeah? Exactly.

I'm not king shaming. I said, if you have thought said against your willified against your will, you don't know. It's a dog asked to be put on a leash? Why your dog is? It? Is dogs orselves. They look up at you while that they're putting the leash on. Some of them get their leash and bring it to you. Yeah, So don't king shame, is what I'm saying. Um, if you have a story about a spooky pet that you would like to share, please give us a call at to four oh four six night or an email at

Nightcall Podcast at gmail dot com. You can also just call or write about whatever, speaking of creatures that may no longer exist but still are with us in a spiritual way. Good one. Thanks. I wanted to in the Creature Corner a new segment that is based on many other segments about new animals. Uh the night calls new patron animal, saying, I believe the tiny dino your own night mouse has been found above the Arctic Circle. Finally

found it. There's a drawing that shows a bunch of dinosaurs, and then somewhere in this pile of dinosaurs is a tiny little mouse. It's like whereas well, though it's so hard to say, can you even find it on there? I just know this is the thing on the Life

Science article. Okay, so there's like an artist rendition of the age of dinosaurs and dinosaurs running about and stuff, And at the bottom of the article there's an editor's note that says this article was updated to indicate the fact that the night mouse, which was supposed to be scampering at its master dinosaurs feed in the illustration, is in fact not there. I was gonna say, it looks just like here's some compatriots, some mouse of the imagination

again a perfect mascot for us. Was supposed to like just like kind of be like it was almost like a page a parasite of dinosaurs, like it would just like hang out around on their feet or something. Tiny marsupial that lived in the twilight of the dinosaurs as well as in literal twilight for much of the year. Mm hmm. They're saying it's not a mouse, it's mouse sized, but it's a marsupial and you just have to imagine what it likes. It lived sixty nine million years ago

on the northernmost land mass of its day. It's high latitude would have put it in total darkness for four months out of every year, which is why it's the night mouse. So it's kind of like an early mole or vole, but this is a marsuits marsupial. So it's like a little teeny tiny kangaroo. Yes, all right, now we're talking. It was It was found amidst dug Build dinosaurs in Alaska. Oh, I found the artists conception. I'm going to show tests it's that a foot. Oh no,

it's nothing like what I wanted it. I don't like that at all. The first like bad review of it. Well, first of all, the way it's drawn, it looks like it's heads on my cupside down, and it has like its mouth is just goes way too far up to its ear. I think it's a bit. I mean, look, it would be better if what I think is a fern. It would be better if that were an antler. I don't see anything. Okay again, then it would be a jackalope and I'd be like a hundred playing God. Sorry,

I'm not really into that night mouse. Um. I like how it looks like a tiny, weird antelope with teeth. I'm gonna go a head and say that. Instead of that, I want the bumble bee bat, which is the world's smallest mammal. I'm gonna nominate that. Somebody sent us something on the Instagram about a giant hornet. Also no no, no, no no no no no no no no, no, no no no. The bumble bee bat, which should be called the bumble bat but isn't, is like super adorable. It

can fit. It's like the size of one section of your index finger, and it's super duper cute. And it's like does that include wingspan or just its body? No, I'm watching I'm looking at a picture of it hanging out on someone's finger. It's it's only two point seven centimeters. It has like the world two little teeny tiniest little feet. It's so cute. And I love bats and they also are nocturnal. So I'm gonna go ahead and say, like,

I'm not into that night mouse. Are we gonna take on the Twitter and we're going to have will be bat square off against the night mouse? Fair? The bumble be bat shoulda in having a picture of the night mouse. Molly, Well, the night mouse is extinct, Tess is out here. Are you even defending the night mouse? Because I'm not into like luxism against ancient polar fauna. Um. By the way, the bees are back in town. There's a bunch of bees seemingly making a hive right outside my house because

I set it up on the word got out. They listen to a nightcall and they're like the bees. There's this lady who's a fan of bees. We got to go all live at her house. How are you feeling about that? I feel great about it, Molly, You're gonna loving it. Are you going to start a farming them? I've been thinking about it. I might. I don't think my neighbors would love it. But whatever they should, I mean, wouldn't that be good for them for their plants and whatnot.

Some people have an irrational fear of bees. I've heard. Well, that's the thing. If my gral if they've seen Migra. You know, I've never seen my girl. You've never seen no, but I know. But what happens? Um? We have one other call, and it's a call if I'm not mistaken about flash animation. Okay, I just want to say that Strong Bad and Homestar Runner are probably registered trademarks of Mike and Matt Chapman. Um, but I'm not making any

money off of this. In either you or so? Okay, here you go either like, oh, making a night calling. You're so excited that I might call dear night call? Definitely really strong good and not a guy named that to reform the Facebook group a freaking voice. Um. Anyway, I was just calling because I wanted to know what's your favorite? Uh, mid two thousands of cards, please answer correctly. I gotta go. The cheek just came home and he uh, he's got the soundtrack to The Big Chill on vinyl.

That was awesome. Oh my god, thank you. You know what, we had not listened to that first. We get a transcript of the call, so we're usually actually hearing the audio for the first time, which was definitely the case there. Um, thank you very much, Uh, Andrew slash strong bad for the call. Um. This is because of like I feel like it was a couple of weeks ago. We were just like had an outro that never ended and then just started like quoting ting Girl squad Um. We were

talking then. I think after we finished that recording, just about like the weird era. That definitely feels like it was a couple of iterations of Internet ago where watching flash animations was like a featured activity on the Internet, a way to kill time at your job perhaps, or something you would send to somebody on my Space. Um, yeah I was. I was definitely a homestar runner watcher for a while and not ashamed to admit it. Oh yeah,

we all I think we all were. This is yeah, yeah, I feel like we call it like the old weird Internet. It's like before before whatever this hell world is. Did you, guys Dove that article today about the people who have to Facebook videos? Emily you posted it right? It was a Verge article was, well, yeah, Casey Newton did it at the Vergi and it was it's about, I mean,

something that Adrian Chen reported a few years ago. I feel like I'm the New Yorker, but this was kind of a little more in depth about the working conditions that one that that was. It's in the United States, because I think the article that Adrian Chren did was I think in China one of these um content hell whole farms uh in in other countries, but there's one in the United States. So there's an article about this. It's in Arizona, and they like anyone to know that

it was connected to Facebook. But it's like some company called something And then Cogni isn't sitting cubicles all day and look at like beheading videos. Oh yeah, I remember the Adrian Chen article about the yikes. Anyway, this is not that. Anyway, I wanted to say that my personal favorite. Yeah, just when the Internet seemed like a fun, weird thing to explore and not like a horrible thing that you're just trapped in forever. Um. I loved You're the man now dog. Oh I loved it. Yes, that was my

time waster. That's to me, it's just the perfect art form. It is. On the Facebook group, people were talking about both salad Fingers and Fight kikoman Um. I don't know much about salad fingers, but my boyfriend always mentioned salad fingers gave me. I couldn't. I did not enjoy the

feeling it gave. Yeah, he described it. I think then some of that stuff turned into like off putting anti comedy, and that was asked me, maybe, yeah, it was the kiko was fight keikoman like the superhero the Keiko mon Superman guy. Yes, it is Koman. I will never forget that song. It's so amazing. That was great. There was there were several like add like brand flash animations for

various Japanese companies. That was That was one, and then uh like the company that has like um like really Kuma and like san X. They had one that was Beer chron that had like a full um full length like animation about it. That was I swear to I hope it's still online somewhere. It was the funniest, cutest

thing in the world. I feel like I watched it once a week in college, so I feel like there was one called like Strindberg and Helium that was like about like August Strindberg and like a little pink balloon that followed him around that my friends were into. I was lessened to that one, but I remember that being like passed around a lot. Yeah, did you guys ever do like horror flash animation? I I could never do for some reason. It was too scary for me. Yeah, yeah,

I find that too scary. It's like, what's an example, like all those like scared Maybe they're just YouTube videos, but you know what I'm talking about. I feel like an image and then something scary happens when you're not working it. Yeah, something jumps out and screams at you. That those are YouTube, those are mostly YouTube, but even like I feel like there was something and I might be making this up, but watching salad Fingers, I was like, I think that there was another thing around this same

time that was just creepy. Like salad Fingers is just visually kind of like unsettling and it just doesn't make any sense, which gives you, you know, I don't know sid saw the salad fingers. Salad Fingers is it was created by David firth Um, and there's like always kind of like Brian eno ish music or like a f X twin. I think he used the one in the

background and it's like like homestar runner. I think it started from like an in joke that he had with his friends where it was like, you know, just a silly like salad fingers, and then he created this kind of like gone yeah, like a like a who likes rusty I like to feel rusty spoons. They feel orgasmic, and it's just it's not funny. It it's sort of fun it's when it's it's sort of funny. It's like in that Mighty Bush like acid trip. Yeah, like unsettling,

just unsettling. Yeah, but I think there was another, but I can't remember what it was. And definitely let us know if you also share this memory. If I'm making it up of their being a more creepy, more surreal flash from around that same time, that would have freaked you out. I want to say so many of the creepy ones, but yeah, go ahead, I was just gonna say. I Also I wanted to say, my dad confirmed stairs on planes. Yeah. See, there's so many confirmations of the

stairs on plane said they're just in first class. There was like a lounge route first class only could go to you before it was upstairs. I was like, where the plane on top of the plane. I'm just picturing these like giant sick planes, like picture the flintstones, like when people like ride on a plane and they're on top of it. And it seems like I didn't make that up just now. I was just gonna say that.

One other thing that I feel like is for me at least, the progenitor of like the era of watching funny cartoons on the Internet was the Fenclor films G I. Joe shorts, which I feel like, I feel like I poured many hours into and probably all of them are just permanently embedded in my brain, like the entire text of them. Uh those were the yeah and the like.

It's all these things too. Still where I was saying, like, I still have like bits of of like a quote that's not even like a full quote, it's just a sound or a word said in a certain way that like will like sometimes just be drawn out of me out of context. Test and I were both really Intociphil and Ali, which yeah, we've talked about that before in the pod too, but every time we talk about old school Internet. I'm like that like things that existed right

before YouTube, that this was made for YouTube. There was like a brief like a brief era of things that were like both on MTV and or like felt like they were from that world, like Wonder Shows and stuff like that. But yeah, cashing in on that digital video crazy. Um, guys, Before we wrap up, I thought of my murder song, So I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Bulbs by Van Morrison just because there's a part in that song where he goes like ha ha ha ha, like a weird

sinister laugh. But it's a very uppy song. And so I've been stewing on it the whole time and now and now I'm officially going to peg that for my murder songs. What's a great answer? Okay, thanks guys, good job, Yeah, thank you. And changing my answer to be the theme song for Succession, which I think I mentioned last week and I was still stuck in my head a week later, So that's going to be how I die. We can do a succession you don't, you don't have to, don't

want to. It's great, but you'll have the song stuck in your head. Forever just be warned. Um well, thanks everybody for listening to this week's Nightcall. As always, you can find us on Facebook and Nightcall Podcast on Instagram at Nightcall Podcast and int or at Nightcall Pod. You can also subscribe to us on iTunes if you have not already, and leave us a review and a raining

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