My Affair With Satan

by Lisa Mattresses. Welcome back, everybody. Hey, so, um, I want to start off just to get us rolling at the beginning, because I think we I think maybe when Claire was on, we kind of off handedly mentioned send us ghost stories, and we got a lot of people sending us a ghost store is so thank you, we feed us more ghost story Um, so thank you. But but I'm very impressed with everybody's stories and also jealous. But I feel like we can get into that in a little bit. Yeah, well we I set this up

as a transitional episode. Uh connector last week with the Atomic Museum that I wanted you guys to watch Haunters The Art of the Scare. Yeah, the documentary on Netflix about people who are are obsessed with haunted houses. Because I thought, hey, it's the beginning of spring, let's I'll watch a documentary about Halloween. Well, you kind of you sold it strangely because you said it was about people who are obsessed with haunted houses. But these are people

who actually their life is being scarers or whatever. That's what. Yeah, yeah, they are. They are the They are the men and women behind the curtain and behind the bowls of blood and whatnot. And the stories. Tell me. Tell me your reactions to Haunters the Art of the Scare. Oh, I loved it so much. I was. I watched the first ten minutes. I was like, I'm not going to finish this documentary. But you have to kind of like immerse yourself in it for a bit. You have to like

marinate in it, and it gets super good. I felt like it reminded me a lot of Cannibal cop in that even if you don't think you'll enjoy it, you you will if you give it a chance. Or maybe not. I don't know. Emily, Um, I mean, I am fascinated with this stuff and um in addition to having done a lot of the haunts around uh the l A area, UM, I also worked with the writer at the Verge for a while who was doing a lot of these experiences

and like did black Out and all that. So I've always been really interested in um and kind of what the latest is an experiential scares? I really so, I really liked the doc for that. I liked I liked um needing shar shar mayor the like Queen scares incredible. I mean I love that, like, I love that was. Yeah, I love the I love the coda. We won't we won't spoil listeners about shar So shar Is she has been a scarer or like what is it, what's the

actual word? Scare actors, scare actor since the seventies. I think she's um and she has worked in like all of the you know, she's done Scary Farm, she's done Blackout, She's done like a universal um what do they call it? Halloween hornets. Yeah. I should pause you though, because I had no idea what blackout was. So for anyone who doesn't know what blackout is, it is a haunted house experience that involves nudity and touchings of of uh haunts I guess in New York, right, Yeah, they set it up.

They usually have like a month or so that they're set up. Um, I'm sure I think they've done other places as well. I think that they did it at Comic Con one year. Um, it's like yeah with naked naked. Yeah, it's it's part of the general wave of new haunted experiences or haunted attractions that have safe words, um, which

is another big part of this documentary. Um. But yeah, I'm really close to experimental theater right right, right right, Yeah, Like Sleep No More is is like the big one in New York that isn't It's not as like, um, exploitative necessarily or is like um specifically gory or like over the top or doesn't have torture scenes or anything like that. But it's more of like a like a thing you walk through and you're involved in. You definitely

have like contact with the actors and everything. Um. But so yeah, so Shar Shar has done everything and she's also gotten like crazy injured over the course of her career. That's how you find out is people punch scare actors in which makes sense. But it's like she's like, oh, yeah, one time I was posted around this corner. I was just like everybody who came around the corner. As soon as I popped out, they all like punched me in the face. And she like had she has like a

back injury. She's basically like unable to keep like being a scare actor, which was very sad and you can like know, but then she retires into being like an actor and jumping out scare actor. She's still an actor in haunted houses, but she's like, now I play the teacher in the haunted schoolroom instead of like the student with the chainsaws, so much happier because I don't get punched in the face as much anymore. The scare widows,

all the scare windows. She okay. So shar is like she's like a Jane Lynch character, is what I thought about her. She's just like a kookie broad who just

loves to scare. Like it really comes across that all these people's relationships are very strained by the fact that they're so obsessed, which is also what makes it a good documentary because I just like documentaries about people obsessed with things, and they're all just obsessed with like being part of haunted houses, and it totally alienates their partners from the room. Also because a lot of them spend so much money on these things and as much time.

I mean, it's you even if it runs for the whole month of October, where they're spending like six months of the year. I kept comparing it to Burning Man, because like Burning Man, Natos and Widowers are a real thing to write write in person is really into Burning Man, and they spend all their money and time and energy thinking about Burning Man. So I think that the filmmaker

John Schnitzer, who directed this documentary, um, he does. I I think I appreciate his like even to the like with the subject, so that he isn't going in depth with like he asks everybody what they do for a day job, like maybe that he doesn't ask anything else

about their life or their family or anything. But so you get to like get this picture of just all these people who you know, I'm a I'm a executive assistant or whatever, and like this is my vacation every year, Like I go to southern California so that I can be a zombie universal or whatever. Like this is how I choose to spend my time off. Which is so it's it's very um, it's very interesting. It's very revealing,

I think. And so there's like one half of the documentary that's like the American movie half that's like the people that are like really into scaring, but they're sort of like wholesome ultimately, uh, and they just like love they love craft. They're they're like they're actors. They love like the theater and you know. And when I went to Not Scary Farm, where I'd never been before, but

I went and loved um. And I totally liked the part where you like walk through the old West town and people come out and scare you and they were things, which is terrify. They tell that some of them had worked so hard on their characters, Like there was one guy who was like the old timey like railway station man, and he was just wandering around in a bar with like all this weird stage makeup on, like ghost railwayman,

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shirt barbecue dad. Guy kind of got a little bit of abuse, look, Or who's the actor who's in the Americans who's like their neighbor in the first season. I don't know. Definitely abu see is a good um he yeah.

This this part, I well, the only the only misgivings I have about this documentary or it's use of the footage of the people who go through the McCamy manner, which is like obviously a huge part of the McCamy manner, which is the super extreme like way beyond blackout, which is typically build I guess among people who don't do this all the time, it's like being the most extreme

haunted house. But there they have a safe word um that's like a part of it is that you can opt out at any point if you want, and you cannot opt out of the McCamy manner. And he makes he he makes videos of the people that go through, which I guess this is a huge wait list, but he films them while they are like crying, covered in their own snot and vomit like like you know, people who are like literally being waterboarded in Haunted House signed up for So here's the deal. So Russ mccami super

was super interesting to me. First of all, He's a wedding singer stage job and I'm obsessed with that. It's like frightening, like daytime horror, like the black Hole Sun. What do you know? I mean, he reminds me so much of these people I know he is. So I looked him up and he spent twenty three years in the Navy, and he doesn't smoke, he doesn't drink, he doesn't drink coffee. I think he should drink where well I'm like, wait, is how is it like person in

the world was like a dry drunk too. It just makes you want to torture people. I guess I just think it's interesting, but I think that it's interesting how he kind of uses his detractors as publicity because even in the documentary, when people were so traumatized by the experience, like they go back, what's okay? So what the name not all the not the neighbor, but the neighbor did not go back volunteerly, she got tricked into coming back.

It's really fun three times. What I think is the c of this documentary that makes it so crazy is that at a certain point they like interview everybody who's gone through the crazy torture water boarding. So it starts out with like he feeds you bugs, and then he like ties you up and tortures you, and then he's

like water boarding you and like hard buried alive. It's a little hard to tell what actually happens because like every time they show the footage, it's so chopped up and has all the stuff step music over that it's really hard to like tell what's actually happening. But people like they talk about what they do in it. They talk about what they do in McCamy manner the whole documentary.

He's like, it's this crazy, extreme haunted house and they talk about it, and they lead up to it and then they show it and there's like fifteen minutes of them showing which is what happens inside. And I was watching this at work. I was like, very worried about people seeing what I was, like what I had on my computer because it looks like a snuff film, like a film. Well, that's what I'm saying too, is like, ultimately this guy is shooting a snuff film. It's just

a really long snuff film. But eventually he's going to kill some but right, yes, well, the other the most problematic thing I think about it, besides the lack of safe word, which I think exists at every other haunted everything another haunted house does. That's why mccainey manner is kind of notorious because they leave it up to the scare actors to gauge when a person has had enough, which let out the watching people beg for their lives.

And you see that. That is when he gets a boner too, And that's what's so girl, literally see the boner. But you can set his eyes light up and it's like he spends all the TA It's like he like all his free terms, he doesn't spend filming people in the manner, he's like editing the footage because he considers himself a filmmaker, which is also kind of weird. The

wife makes a movie. His wife is just sort of like it's a thing she has seen so much ship Like she looks like when the most haunted people in this entire she was actually she may have actually just been. I'm not sure that they were married, but I read online this may not be true that they split up, which is interesting because she was the most supportive spouse.

I mean, she was kind of raining him in at certain points, but she seemed like she was supportive in words, but like her eyes were dark with But there's another twist in this documentary that you don't see coming, but you're thinking. Okay, So first of all, when the people get out of the thing and then they interview them and they're like, how do you feel about it, They're all like, I want to go back and charge them. Molly, you're misrepresenting, like the there's like a few people that

that do. Like it's like, how about Mario and Luigi. That's the scariest part. The two guys, the two brothers who go through it wearing Mario and Luigi and the like we want to go funk people up after this, but like, that's not everybody, Like the people that he sits down with and they watched the footage at the computer,

those people are not having it. They were not happy with their experience and they say that they hate Also, they sign waivers, but they only sign waivers after they have been initiated into the experience by being basically, you know, giving permission to be kidnapped verbal permission, and then they're like tortured a little and then they're handed a form.

And some people, because there are a lot of on Facebook in particular, a lot of forums dedicated to how much McCamy manner is terrible and it's like a liability and shouldn't exist and uh, and they all say that the biggest issue is that you sign the waiver under duress. And at that point you feel like these people are so sick and like you've kind of given yourself over to them that you have to do whatever they say.

So that, I mean, that's really well. That's also what makes it interesting that he was in the Navy for so long. And then also the other twist is that you find out that his dad was part of the Nevada tite project. That's the real tie back. And his dad got melted by an atomic bomb, and they're like, he didn't die because of the atomic bomb. He died he killed himself because miserable. And then you're like, this guy, I signed a waiver for the government, being like, I

trust you not to melt my insides. Uh, And it like kind of explains the psychological motivation of the McCamy manner. Guy explains but does not excuse. But I would, you know, I feel like it would be even scarier if it wasn't motivated by anything, you know, the fact that there's like a backstory and like a psychological thing that you're like, well, obviously this guy is obsessed with like control and death because like his country killed his dad, and then he

served and then he served his country. Well I did. I mean, I think that the Shar puts it really best, like the best at one point, because obviously all these people, it's like a kind of small community, so everybody knows of each other, and everybody knows of McCamy manner, and so Shar, this woman who's been in it forever and seeing like all these different stages of the evolution of this stuff. She's like, she's like, I love being a scare actor, but the whole fun of it is that

somebody is there voluntarily. Like it's like a cat in a house, and like once the mouse is dead, it's not fun anymore. So like why wouldn't you want to give people away to leave? Like otherwise you're you're not playing anymore, and it's not fun. And I feel like, you know, even with the most extreme stuff, even with the full contact hunt of houses, that's still a part of it. And like there's everybody has a different threshold

of what they can deal with. It's like, you know, like if you it's it's very there's so much crossover, especially with safe words and stuff with like um with like b D S M stuff and and like you know, getting dominatrix or something like that. But there's not gonna be a dominatrix who like you hire who like literally doesn't let you out of a cage for two weeks unless you specifically say I don't want to be let out of a cage for two weeks, you know, and

there are people who want that. And again, yeah, and if you do, that's fine. Yeah, But and that's what's interesting about this also is you're like, it just shows you. You're like, there should never be anything where you can't withdraw consent at some point if you feel the need to. Because all of these people go into this thing being like it'll be fun, which is also like I'm already lost when they do the tagline for the experiences, you don't want to do this. But that's of he got

kicked out of San Diego. He got like run out of San Diego because his neighbors complained about him waterboarding people in the backyard constantly, which they were like, slates can see you torturing people, Please don't do that. Although there is also like a black Ops military base right in San Diego right there where they do some stuff, uh, but you can't see it from your backyard. They make it really hard to see. That's why what they do

with Black opsites purposely difficult to see. One thing that became like fucked up? Is it? So it started off and this is alreadie like messed up. He would just have like teenagers come and teenagers who don't know how to like properly interact with people in a way that doesn't like cross the line into assault, like he just had teens running around who were like being fed pizza and mountain dew and letting them just like like you know,

run rampant on the guests. And then there was a problem because apparently one of the adult scare people was sending inappropriate text messages to one of the teen scare actors, and so then he replaced them all with like fucking like skinheads and like people would like assaulted and awful.

Like what, I can't believe that any of it is legal at all, Like I hate to be the alarmist like Christian radio person right now, but it's like skirting the lines of legality because but you know what, like I I know another person who's really into haunted houses, my friend Eva, who I asked her about this documentary, and she's like knew who everybody was, but you know, people who go to home haunts. There is like a whole culture of people where it is also very like

it overlaps with experimental theater. She paid a theater troupe to do an experimental play on her for a year what what like it was like two She's really into haunted experiences and so she she paid a theater troupe to like do a haunted experience on her, where I think it was like people would just show up sometimes and be like asked her questions that we're confusing and be like I'm the doctor. And then herself. I was like, what are you going for with this? Like are you

trying to make yourself unhinged? Because like I have enough problems with that without hiring people to come man like, so she and well, she said like eventually it ended because they ran out of money. They never like came to the conclusion of the play. She never like found out the answer to the mystery because they're like they're like a theater troupe from San Francisco who like moved down to l A to haunt her, and then they ran out of money. I was like, are you sure?

Is that just part of the play? Six months later and they're like hey Eva, And then I was like how much did it cost? And she was like five And I was like, well, that's very reasonable for like a year of haunting. I always wanted to do that thing, which I don't think they do anymore, UM called Street Wars. It's like the Assassin game that runs over like it basically as long as it takes where you have a real life target in town and like in the city that you live in, and you're supposed to just like

squirt them at the water gun. But like everything is it's like the geocaching games with like it's kind of I mean, I think it's like a similar appeal, but it's like it's like you actually have to find out where to find the person that you're assigned to, and you have funds like LARPing it is, Are you into cyberpunk LARPing? Yeah, totally, dude. Yeah, what I had read about it sounds it sounded super fun, but also you have to have a huge amount of trust in the

people who are doing the game with you. Well. Eva said also that like somebody at a different Haunted how she went to almost got killed and I was like, well a McCamy man and she was like, no, another one like in Riverside or something. No. It was like

they do them out of people's houses. They're like small skial ones that are like experimental place and so some of them are like participatory, and this one I think it was like they throw you on the bed and then there were people under the bed who like come out and grab you. But they threw somebody on the bed who was like too big, and they like almost crushed the people under the bed because the bed broke.

I was like, great, it is this totally unregulated industry and it's like such a micro industry because it only happens once a year. But everybody in this documentary is like talking about the mccabi man or guy be like this guy's gonna get us all banned forever from haunted houses, which is like I understand why, Like yeah, that that thing of like the existential threat to your entire like

hobby slash way of life is real. I also I looked at John Schnitzer on IMDb, and he is the co owner of the Brain Factory, so he creates horror attractions and he does um It says he directed and produced the Flatline Experience, a virtual reality project that gives audiences the ability to become active participants in an act

school near death experience. It's like, yeah, so I thought that, like one of the really good things about this documentary was that mckemi manner obviously is the most you know, is the biggest example of how this is like maybe a terrible idea that shouldn't exist, but it's dealt with very diplomatically because there are people who find a tremendous release from this, Like I'm not one of them, and I would be so upset if this were next door to my house and I was like constantly hearing people

by the way squeamish, like turn off your ears right now. But it was really intense to see him force people to eat their Yeah, that was awful. I mean that was like, for some reason, that was more than anything else was where I was just like, I don't know, Russ, I think it kind of like I couldn't that it

was on Netflix. I have to say, like there's so much nasty stuff on this that I was like, Wow, the things I'm like, if somebody wants to do that, I'm not judging because hurt anybody, but like the water boarding where I'm like, you could literally just murder somebody by accident. I don't believe what you're doing. This know what they're actually doing for sure. They make that very clear. They're like, we we got rid of the teenagers who didn't know what they were doing and hired a bunch

of racist skinheads. He's like, not reassuring all and now he does it in the South traveling show. Well, I was also like, this is right up. He's going to turn into that guy from the last episode of Black Mirror, the Black Museum guy. You know. I was like that, that's exactly his vibe, but exactly it's bad. You're like, this guy wants to like torture people for like racism, which she probably already did in the Well you wonder

it's hard to tell because he doesn't swear. So when he was like, yeah, this one guy was into the KKK and some of that junk, I was like, well, it's bettered up to me, So it was cool, Like

he came clean, he came clean. Um, do you guys, what would be Do you guys have any like deep seated horrible fears and if you were going to have your own horrible experience in one of these night marriage houses, would there be like certain elements that you would go for, Like none of the stuff where it's all like people gagging you and pushing you around and like simulating rape on you or whatever. None of that sounds like that sounds scary, yes, but it doesn't sound like something I

would ever volunteer for. But I did do this, Like what part of the Grantland story that I did where I went to all the haunts was like this thing called alone, which they showed the logo of it at one point during the documentary. I think they still do it in l A and that one is much more like, yeah, you get you get pushed around and like touched by people, but it's not like Gore. It's not like it's not this torture porn aesthetic. It's like just like unsettling weird

environments like kind of way. But why is it called alone if there are people there to touch you? Because you have to go through it by yourself, Like I think a lot of these, even blackout and stuff, you can go through with your friends or they'll like separate you a point, but then you come back together like but but alone you have to go through all by yourself, Um,

which is kind of great. I loved it. I thought it was I thought it was it was scary, like it was the scariest thing of everything that I did, But it was like scary in an interesting way and not like where I was like that that was different than anything that I've experienced before. Like the way that these people are like chasing after the like I just want to see if I can do it. Like that felt more satisfying to me in that way without having

my haircut or whatever else they do to you. Yeah, I mean I feel like, just like torture porn, I find kind of boring as a horror genre because it's sort of just you know, it hits you over the head, over and over, agad and enough enough. I like, I do think there's like a lot more space in the haunting space. Well, you guys are invited to my haunting space, which is going to be in an office building, and you get into an elevator and then it stops, and

then you don't know when I'll let you off. Because that, to me is the most I'm like put me by my self in a way I prefer that I'm not finding Like I don't think I would have any kind of like a breakthrough and epiphany being touched by other people, because that's kind of something I avoid. But like being in an elevator by yourself and then having someone else like make the decision when to let you out, I think I could crack out. Yeah, Well, I was afraid

of elevators to really like me. I got stuck in one and was like, this is a justified fear. I'll take the stairs. I've never been stuck in one, but I saw so many sitcom episodes where people got stuck in them, and then the movie Speed. Yeah, you know, lots of scary things can go wrong every day, but I was gonna say, I like a Disneyland haunted mansion. I like a spooky vibe um. And also the James Turrell thing that Emily and I saw in Las Vegas.

I feel like, is that another yea, yeah, it's in a plane of like you feel, you feel kind of like out of your body in a way that is great and crazy, and you're sort of like I could just go off into the forever. Wait, which one was this? Because I did the one where you're in a tube and there's the lights. Not that one. I loved that. The one that's like the gans Field one where you like the hotline blend bling one. Yeah. Speaking of things that will make you feel weird, have you guys heard

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it with you. Hello, Nightcall. After listening to the discussion in astrology, psychics, etcetera on the most recent episode of Nightcall, I wanted to reach out and get your take on a past situation I dealt with at a past job. My boss, who fancied herself as my mentor, was into all of this. She had quarterly calls with the psychic who lived across the country, where she'd ask specific questions

about everyone in her life, including me. She was always happy to tell me when he had good news about me, most often related to my love life. But I do have a suspicion that my eventual fall out of favor with her had something to do with one of these readings. What advice would you have for past me? How does one tell their boss to knock it off and quit asking their psychic about me, or at the very least

not tell me about it. Also, on the off chance that she listens to anyone other than her psychic, namely this podcast, please don't use my name, thank you in advance. Um, well, this, I mean, I would be terrified if my my boss was consulting a psychic about me. I would feel like my fate was even more out of my hands than it normally was. So I'm not sure what a boring person to be like asking your psychic about your employee. Yeah,

I mean, do you have nothing else? That's a very it's kind of passive aggressive to It's like my psychic said, I don't like you. I'm gonna actually I'm gonna say that this woman or a man's ass was totally lying to her, and I think she was I think she was messing with her. I'm just closing the question, do you think I mean if if? Okay, So she finds out about her boss seeing a psychic, uh by her boss just saying like, oh I my psychic told me

a few interesting things about you. Wink wink um. I think at that point I would like lightheartedly be like, okay, cool, please don't talk to me about your psychics, like to me with your psychic anymore. You know, like it's so weird because it's your boss, so like you can't be like I don't want to hear it, and you're like, oh God to hear whatever they want to talk about,

even if it's some weird thing about me. But obviously as soon as they're like I asked my psychic, it's like someone being like, oh, I was talking to my therapist about you. Yeah, but that's definitely a therapist at least will like ideally give you some kind of like uh you know of studied. H No. No, if you talk to your therapist about someone and then you report to that person what your therapist said, that is a

truly terrible thing. You know, definitely don't do that. But I'm saying that if somebody did that, I would feel less alarmed or like out of control than if somebody said that they were asking my who knows what this like? At least they're going to their therapist with like an account, accurate or otherwise of something that I did or some way that I was. But when the psychic is just like could be, it's drawn out of a hat who knows,

it still seems inappropriate. You shouldn't be talking to your therapist about your employees, and if you do, you shouldn't tell your employees it. I'm just saying that it's it's like a ship, not quite as bad. But I gotta say they always do an amazing job with that on the real house, so I have franchise. They always bring in a psychic to like uncover things people don't want to say, but do what we all recall on Beverly Hills, the pen or whatever that was iconic iconic. Guys, you

want to take another night call? Well wait, we haven't even finished talking about this. What's your advice? My advice is she's lucky she got out of that job. They say, especially the only person is your mentor. I would say, like, find another mentor if not another boss, or start looking for another job, but definitely find another mentor person if

if seniority to assist you with your career. This person doesn't have your I think what you should do is I think that you, if you're ever in this position again, you need to tell your boss that you too have a psychic and you too are consulting with your psychic, and just non and be like interesting and then just be like, that's the opposite of what my psychic said, and stare directly in her eyes, stared directly into her soul, and just like really let her know that you see

her her poisoned aura. That's what you say is you're like, well, my like Satanist preacher. Oh there's that too, said that if you keep giving false prophecies about you're gonna die, I will not get you fired at all. That well, and then bring together. Okay, it's freedom of religion act. Yeah, um, all right, let's take another night call while we're at a friend A nightcall, A night call from Sarah. Sarah says,

high night call. You asked for some Ghod stories at the end of the episode with Claire Evans, and I thought i'd email mine. My friend once told me that growing up, she used to play with a friend of hers in the alley behind their two houses. At the end of the alley was a house everyone knew to be abandoned. One day, they thought they saw a figure in the window. The kids told an adult, and this

is where it got strange. For some reason, the adults suggested they go into the house and see who was there. Once they got in the house, they saw no one in the rooms, but saw a staircase leading to upstairs. My friend said the staircase was too small for an adult to walk up, so the adult had the children go instead. The children obliged and found nothing up the stairs. As they were leaving, they saw a staircase to the basement.

She says. Her next memory is of the following day, when neither her, her friend, or the adult chaperone could remember anything that happened. After they saw the basement steps, they went back to the house to see if they could piece the events together, but found the entire house but had been raised. She has no memory of any fire demolition and doesn't know exactly what happened. Uh did they hallucinate it? Was it the adult or was it the work of ghosts? I am sure the three of

you can get this figured out. I like your confidence definitely as people who are like what tertiary? Uh, listeners of this amateur ghosts investigators? We was ghosts? Sarah ghost raise the house? I mean, who was this adult go up the stairs? Well? I think that's one of the questions.

Is is this like a repressed memory thing like an eighties yeah kind of kind of thing, or is it like a weird vivid dream that you have that you then remember as like a childhood memory, which I feel like also happens because I had a weird thing that I think was a dream where I like visualized that the swimming pool was full of worms time. And then I asked my parents about it and they were like, that didn't happen really? Yeah? How old are you? Like a kid? Crazy? Yeah? And it was like very vivid.

It's one of the things I think about. Have you guys, have any had any really convincing ghost experiences? Uh? I had an experience like two days ago. Whoa UM. I was like alone on a rooftop and I heard a rustling sound and I was like, it's a person. It sounds big, it's a person or like an animal in

this like rooftop vegetable garden. And then it was a balloon and it was like a children's happy Birthday balloon, and it just like floated along past me and then like floated away, and I was like, that was as scary as if it had been a person. Um. My my bedroom at my parents house, where I only spent a couple of years because we moved around, but they've had this house for a while and they now live in it. Um. I had terrible insomnia starting when we

moved in there, and my parents are sleeping fine. We come from New York City and they had been sleeping on the street side, so they could never sleep in New York. And then they go up to the country and be like, oh, it's so it's like so peaceful at night. But as soon as we moved there, I could never never sleep. And it also was, you know, no matter how they tinkered with the temperature, my room

was always freezing cold. And when I was younger, I was like, I don't know, guys, everything's kind of pointing in a ghostly direction for my room. And they were like, oh, that's bullshit, Like no you just wish that you lived back in New York where you had friends and you have no friends here. And I was like, that's a

good point. But it's also a haunted house. So a few years ago, my parents bedroom was being painted and they moved their stuff into my room for like a week or something, um and neither of them could sleep. And they were like it was crazy because our rooms are like really close together in the house, and their room would be a normal temperature, but mine was like freezing, freezing cold. And whenever I go back to visit and bring people with me or whatever, nobody can sleep in

that room. Like you just stay up all night, kind of like staring at the sea and being creeped out. Can I ask a question, do you have one of those weird compartments in the wall that like weird East Coast houses have. Do you know what I'm talking about, the vacuum closet. Not in that that room though, it's like it's there's like a tree with a branch that always like scratches against the window. It has like a bunch of like the New England kind of like creepy.

I mean, all of New England is definitely haunted, and definitely that house might be haunted. It feels mad haunted forest. Yeah, it's like, you know, there's just something it's like it looks like if you I mean, it's beautiful house, and I think it's just my room that's haunted. It's probably just haunted. And read a lot of Stephen King around that. That's the thing is that I got really into Stephen King. Would just stay up on my reading Stephen King and

go to school and like the goths and not happy. Emily, do you have any ghost stories? Well, I don't really, and I was kind of getting at this earlier. I am a little bit jealous of people that do, Like I would like to have my um my idea of what what constitutes reality be challenged in a way where I saw a ghost or really anything like a ghost is one. Yeah, i'd I'd be open to it and curious about it. But I've never had anything like that happened.

I think, you know, I didn't really watch a lot of scary movies when I was a kid, or read Stephen King or anything like that, so I just don't think that that stuff was in my imagination. So I wasn't able to even like trick myself into thinking that I saw anything. But I've heard so many like convincing ghost stories from people, like a ghost experiences that uh that make me you know, I'd be interested in I'd be interested in their their reality or like what was

behind them. Like I had a roommate who um was staying at a friend's parents summer home of course on the East Coast, that's where all these happened, and there was um there was like a little boy who she would say every night like at the top of the stairs were like a little sailor outfit, and multiple people have said that they had seen him. Like that kind

of thing creeps me out. So I went to a hotel in Santa Fe specifically because I had seen it on a haunted celebrity show Celebrity Ghost Stories, where Joe Pantoliano said he had been haunted there. Yeah, well he was also like me and my lady friend were like fighting a lot. But it definitely had like some some

old timey vibes, but I didn't feel haunted specifically. Yeah, there's this whole like subset of hauntings that happens where people on when they're watching their baby monitors of their kids. They see floating glowing orders. So if there's about like aphex twin faces and your baby monitor, like there are

things like off that you know related to that. But um also there's a lot of discussion of and this is something that you can look at them like baby Center and like weird like you know, giant parenting groups where people talk about how their young children will refer to like you know, like my kids have actually have one called baby Sam. Baby Sam wasn't died in England, but now like haunts them. But you know, it's like a comment thing where your kid will have an imaginary friend.

But then sometimes they tie it in with like yes, my imaginary friend he's dead, and you're like, tuft, you were always really into Rosemary's Baby. Were you afraid you might have like a demon child? No, because the timing was off with my affair with Satan. I looked at my calculator as like the period No, that's the title

of this episode, my Satan. I mean I think that I think that there's been some research into the fact that like most children like hallucinate a good deal, like as their brains are developing, like that, there's totally like that's where the idea of imaginary friends come from, and or other things where you're just your memory can be a little bit warped about your early early childhood, just because like so much of it is of a little bit uh yeah, not all solid necessary, like the scary

neighborhood house everybody has, like the scary house at the end of the street. Uh, that represents your subconscious and burns down. But you know, I think a lot of stuff about like kid geography, and that is what's so good about it and those good Stephen King books is that they are like about like you're a kid and everything's weird, and also you're afraid of your changing body and maybe it's a clown. What's the most like, um, I guess notoriously haunted place you guys have ever visited?

Oh well, that's easily I can answer that. Devil's Gate in Pasadena. I was going to say that one too. It's yeah, yeah, which is definitely haunted. And but again I'm like sometimes I'm like, oh, I like the like the lay lines thing, you know. I like I like going to nature and having that thing where you're like overtaken by nature and you're like, I'm a I'm a tiny little dot. That that's the best feeling, twiny little

dots surrounded by ghosts. And I do feel like you know that there's that spirited away thing where you do sometimes in nature just feel like everything spirit ye is reel annihilation Yeah, annihilation um ego. By the way, like we we were so happy to get the ghost stories that we got. So if you have a ghost story, please give us a call at two four oh four six night or you can email us at Night Call Podcast at gmail. And it's not limited to ghost stories,

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