Momo Videos, Momo Problems

meme mom for momoh. If you haven't heard about the Momo challenge, Molly and Emily and I just kind of talk about it. There was this hoax going around that um there's this Japanese sculpture, uh that is called Mother Bird, and it looks it's like a chicken. It's it's like a breasted bird lady like a like a junji Eto slash Tim Burton, like like circa Beetle Juice creation. It

looks specifically like the bird face people in Beetlejuice. It's like a woman with a bird face who has like crazy bulging out eyes and like a mouth that's just kind of a straight line in a v and it's scary. It's super scary. Yeah, but what what exactly happened? I have questions happened? Is that somehow I don't know how

it started, but this meme, essentially it's a meme. There was like people started hearing that Momo was appearing in YouTube videos in the middle of YouTube videos aimed at children and telling children, like in the middle of like a pepper Pig video, this is the story urban legend. You don't know, like YouTube for your kids, and in the middle of a puppet pig video, Bomo appears and tells your kids to kill themselves and their parents. Yeah or yeah, it's the Momo challenges to kill yourself and

get others and kill your parents. So I was so I was under the impression that the Momo challenge was to watch the pepper Pig video in question and come out of it not wanting to kill yourself. Challenges to kill yourself and your parents right to kill yourself. But then I was researching it and there was another one called the Blue Whale Challenge, which is what that Black Mirror episode Shut Up and Dance I think is based on.

And the Blue Whale Challenge is another like apocryphal urban legend, like you know, the challenge kids loft challenges, and that one supposedly starts with like mundane things and then escalates to like you have to kill somebody. You know, it's do this challenge first. It's like, you know, go take the milk and a bike and starting scavenger hunt and ends really dark. Again. I couldn't find any real information about it. They are like news articles from every country.

It seems like that one was more like Eastern Europe based. So it feels like the deal with Momo though, is that all these parents have been talking about it, like saying it's traumatized their children or something. But yet the videos that I've seen are all like videos taken of somebody else. It doesn't exactly panic however, breaking news, which won't be breaking news when you listen to this episode. The sculpture has been destroyed. Why the creator of the

sculpture decided to throw it away? I'm sure it'll reform out of the pieces, the shattered pieces. Maybe Momo is getting all the blame here, and I am a Momo stand I think Momo is stand legend, stay allegend. I feel like almost just the female slenderman. But for some reason, the fact that it's female and like just a weird looking like weird girl makes me be like, Momo has never done anything wrong. Did you see that somebody tried to face tune Momo? They were immediately like CUTEI Momos.

I have two things to add to this discussion. Number one is that my husband had mentioned to me that we need to be careful of that he had heard about the Momo challenge. She bought into it. He was like, no more pepper Pig, and so I sent him this

really great article from the New York Times. John Hermann wrote it called Momo is as real as We've made her, which has like a lot of good points about how Momo looks like a sleep deprived mother, Uh, exactly the kind of person who is handing the phone to her child saying watch all the pepper Pig and the streaming

to crap that you want. So how it's basically momos kind of playing on our like guilt of the fact that you know, the real threat is that you're just kind of giving your kid a stream of YouTube and you don't know what they'll see, the possibility that they'll see something that's like, actually horrifying exists also, So I

texted this to my husband. Then on Sunday morning, I was sick, so I decided to let my three year old have my phone and watch Pep a Pig on YouTube and I give her the phone and she like sees that there's a thumbnail of Momo that I've texted to my husband, and she's like, what's that? And I was like, I don't worry about this Momo, and she was like, I can't wait to tell my friends about Momo. And you can't mention Momo. You're gonna say you've just

unhoaxed the Momo. Sometimes that happens that like a fake thing becomes a real thing. So I don't think anyone ever did the tide pod challenge, but all the articles that were like these children stop eating tide pods. Hysteria. Um we you also want to revisit real quick at the top of the show, Um, the city of Denver,

beautiful Denver, Colorado. Uh, we have gotten somewhere. Intel. For one, there is a mobile game that was released just last month or I guess two months ago now, in January of this year, about Bluesifer, in which you are Bluecifer the horse and you run around rampaging through Colorado. Um, well, link to that on the Twitter. Actually I already did link to it on the Twitter. Um. And so the

mumification of Bluecifer continues apace. And then the gargoyles. UH. For a fun anniversary trick, they made the gargoyles come to life at the Denver Airport and start talking to people, which is not at all horrifying. Again, Denver Airport way to just continue to meet the meet the expectations of all air travelers that they should be just like surprised and frightened upon landing. And you're, WHOA, what's that? I saw gargoyle the other day. I was doing a hike

and there was a gargoyle in somebody's backyard. I thought that was a good thing to put in your backyard. You know, I don't like gargoyles, but I like them better than I like murals. Well, it's like the least amount of chill. Again, in keeping with all things d I A. Yeah. Also on the subject of art that kills, which somehow has become a running theme because we love, we love Haunted portrait for the Velvet buzz Pod. I just watched that again with David and uh and uh

it's it's real fun. It holds up on a second joid. I gotta say, uh. Still Velvet tide pod nice. Uh. This this comes from our listener rum. This is going back to we were talking about there's um ah, there's a sculpture that's uh that that are these holes that basically the way that they're presented, it looks like they just go down forever because they're painted. Um they're painted this particular shade of prietary black and the artist is

a Niche Kapoor. And our wrote to me on Instagram, So, I hope it's okay to use this, but I feel like this is this is a night call. But uh, he said an Italian man. He shared an article from Fast Company but about an Italian man who fell into Nichs hole a few months ago. Maybe I misremembering, but the first story I read about it said the man stepped into the hole because he was trying to prove a point that the hole wasn't really a hole. It was just a circle painted on the floor in vant

to black Capor's proprietary black paint. That's apparently the darkest paint ever produced by science UM. And there's there is an article about this that somebody tried to call the Hole's bluff and it was a real hole and they fell. Don't the Holes? By the way, Holes is great, great movie, UM, So thank you for bringing that to our attention. This episode of Night Call is sponsored by Rath. These stylish, sustainable and comfortable shoes you'll never want to take off.

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Go get yourself up here today. Raw These dot com promo Nightcall to get this deal while it lasts. Speaking of calling bluffs exactly, Molly pointed us to this article in the New York Times magazine, which will be a couple of weeks old at this point, but it's definitely worth a read. That is about this sort of operation, or I guess multiple operations. They all have very fun names. Um done by a woman named Susan Gerbick to kind

of debunk these psychics, which you said, celebrity psychics. So I was thinking at first like psychics to the stuff ours, but these are like psychics who are actually celebrities and like commanded crowd, and you buy tickets to go see them do uh, you know, readings and stuff in it, although some of them are also like yeah, there's an

overlap for sure. I thought this article is super interesting, especially the ending, Like I feel like, um, I've definitely not just for stuff around psychics, but uh, you know,

astrology and everything like that. You and if you write about this stuff or or um, you know, you you express any kind of interest in it, you automatically kind of come in contact with these types of rationalist debunker types who are um, you know, just trying to make sure that nobody believes in astrology or whatever whatever the

case may be. Uh. And I just thought that the ending was so interesting because it was kind of about I don't want to spoil it too much because it does feel like a spoiler, but it was sort of about the way in which even like a you know, supposedly bullshit psychic reading can have some kind of power or be important for people in a way besides it just being like actually accurate and somebody talking to a

spirit or somebody uh, from Beyond the Grave. I thought that was really interesting, but but the whole getting into the operation was super interesting as well. Yeah, I mean I think it definitely. You kind of start reading thinking that it's going to be very unsympathetic to the psychics, but then the author has like a very emotional experience at one of these readings and you realize that there's

a need for something like this. Although the issue is that you know that there was like another link um within the article to one of my favorite pieces ever, which is a few years old now, about the guy who spent like seven and eighteen thousand dollars on psychics and they were all just leading him on this like wild Goose, she used to find this woman and it just ruined his life. So obviously there are a lot

of bad actors there. But it's interesting because, like when you totally do away with you know, people who deal with things like grief and you know, people being very lost in their lives and stuff, within a metaphysical way, there's like a need there. So it's not all bad and it does affect people positively, but it also you know, you can definitely lead people down. It is religion a scam. It's like if it's a helpful thing for people, like

is it a scam? Uh? When when money starts getting involved, that's when I think I get comes a scam. But but also cold reading is a skill right right itself. I mean just like going into a crowd of people or like finding a role row of elderly people or people getting along in years at a in a conference room and the back of a Crown Plaza hotel and

like saying, somebody here just lost a parent. I mean, you're gonna you're gonna be right, probably, But like also some like the fact that somebody would raise their hands kind of means that they want they want to be seen. They want to have a chance to like express um or like you know, be able to talk about it in public or or with a stranger, um to be recognized in that way or have their pain recognized or something.

I think it's like therapy. It's like somebody pretending to understand you or just like listening to you, and that

is like something maybe everybody needs. Well, this is the thing I always say about astrology is that, like I feel like the appeal of astrology is reading something that's talking to you in second person, like addressing and telling you things about yourself, like the the the idea that somebody knows you and is like and can reflect that back to you, even if it's not necessarily always accurate,

but that feels good. Like we want to hear people tell us things about ourselves because I feel like a lot of times we don't have an idea, like you know, we it's hard to tell like what we're putting out there, you know. Um, there was some really good eighteen hundreds gossip kind of dropped into the middle of this article.

Just quote it. The poet Robert Browning once exposed the mid nineteenth century Scottish psychic Daniel Home, who claimed to conjure the spirit of Browning's infant son who died young. Except Browning hadn't lost a son. Worse, the poet lunged at the apparition to unmask it and found himself clutching Homess bare foot. It was like, what excuse me? Which is like an interesting thing to add to your idea of Robert Browning. Um, I think I also told you.

I found out Thomas Edison was really into psychics and believed in the afterlife. Yeah, yeah, I think the logic is not incompatible with like there are things beyond logic. Also, it's interesting how much time and energy the skeptics kind of poured into creating these fake Facebook profiles and like getting all costumed up and going to these psychic readings and you know, kind I mean, it's a real gig man, and you have to respect it because they are trying

to protect people from getting defrauded. But they're going they must like it a little bit. Oh yeah, it's like the movie Cruising exactly. This is the under of her assignment. You chose, yes, Yeah, It's really interesting. The way they do it is just like they create this entire profile and then they basically use it as bait for the psychic to have already looked it up ahead of time, because you you know, you give your information when you buy a ticket, and so they can you know, they

can name names and stuff. But then you kind of set that as a trap so that they'll fall for this fake profile it's been created and give your reading based on the fake profile. Yeah. Um. Related, Molly also sent us an article about the Crystal influencer who is also a fraud. What's her name again? Audrey kitchen MySpace scene Queen Yes, and starting a smashing Pumpkins video that part of her MySpace scene Queen. She was famous for having pink hair and being like she did hair I

think for a long time. And she dated a guy from either Panic at the Disco or one of those. Uh, And now she has pivoted to new Age. And this was an article about how she's like a fraud because she's stealing other people's one idea, like here's my one. It was about how she's like she she has rebranded herself as new age, but like all of her quotes

are just stolen from other people. It kind of got to the same place of like, well if it helps somebody doesn't matter, like um, but also that all of her supposedly like handmade whatever products that she's selling all come from Ali Express, and like has these assistants who the writer interviewed who were like, yes, she ruined my life, um by promising me things and then forcing me to

do her laundry. Yeah, I don't know. For some reason, I it is interesting to think about, like why this makes me a little more irritated than like a likely very fake psychic or media or something I don't know. They talked to the other New ag people that she like ripped things off from, and those people are like devastated. This well those people are also like so silly, but

you're like they're serious about it. I mean, at least the fake psychics are taking time to sit down and like connect with people, even if they're kind of using clues that they found elsewhere or they're just after getting

a cynic exploiting. Yeah, it's cynical. Like even if you know yourself on some love, if you're if you're a touring psychic and you know that your thing is mostly bullshit and you're using and you're looking at people's Facebook accounts, like, there's still some part of it where it's like, well I want to, like you know, hey, you're putting in the time. Yeah, I want to, And I want to give a meaningful experience to somebody, like you know, you're

like an actor. Yeah, sure, it's a girlfriend experience. She doesn't seem like somebody that anybody would want to be like, so it's weird she's formed a cult to personality. But it also goes into the way that like New Age stuff can just be narcissism, you know, like all the group stuff that's like you wants is just like a rich board person who doesn't have to work, like turns entirely inward into the yoni yon just becomes one big

Yoni yoni fied. I think it's also kind of ties in with the whole like thinking of each object as having like a soul or a spirit or whatever, like does it spark joy? What does it represent? Well, if you're selling that and then you're really selling exactly, then that's that really makes you wonder about the joy that things can spark. I mean, I will say that, like crystal yoni ones are not trademarkable, and a lot of people make them. It was just clearly like she had

gotten them. That's my question. They show up on The Real Housewives a lot. I've heard you're not supposed to put crystals. You are not supposed because they're poorous, they're porous. Yeah, I just wouldn't um, but people sell it as it's like that they were the jade egg is giving people like right, right, But that's natural, guy to make your bread. Yeah, nice, that's how you get the mother. I'm so sorry to our listeners for what you We've just done to you.

Oh my god, momos here, hello kids, I am at would talk. That's exactly actually, but that's what it sounds like in the video. You know who reminds me of Momo? Who could that be? Someone else who pops up when you're not expecting? Oh slip. Let's talk about fatal attraction. So we are embarking on a series of I guess undetermined length as long as we feel like it. I guess. Um call it an erotic journey. Yeah, an ironic hodyessey. Now please join us as Night Call embarks on its

first erotic odessey. We are going to be discussing films that fit into the erotic thriller slash drama genre, a genre which doesn't really exist anymore, and which is still all of our favorite the most interesting. Even if it's not my favorite, I just feel like it's the most like. I don't know, I could talk for ages about some of these movies. Um, yeah, it might be our favorite. Yeah, I mean, it passes the night Called Test, the Venor Diagram, it goes in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, we were

originally going to have this be a double feature. We may have double features in the future. Um Our first film that we're going to talk about is Fatal Attraction. I had pitched that we do Fatal Attraction and the Hand that Rocks the Cradle because they go really well together. Do you call that one Natal Attraction, in which I really wanted to use. We'll do that one in the future for sure. Put it on Netflix. Netflix. Put it's

somewhere Netflix because we know where to see not. Yeah, we can't watch it, but I've seen it so many times that I feel like I could talk about it anyway, but I would like to watch. You know what I watched instead of uh, well, I watched two things instead of Handle that Rocks to Cradle when I couldn't find it. But the first thing was the Ciskel and Ebert episode that included a review of Hand the Rocks of Cradle, which just made me miss Ciskel and Ebert so badly.

It was so it's like the most civilized television show. Guess what this show is. It's basically the same. Put us on TV and give us some big sums. Yeah. I had never seen Fatal Attraction before in my life, which is crazy, Which is crazy because I have you drive a truck Times, and I've known that it's one of Tess's favorite movies if not, And this podcast is all about tests, forcing us to watch movies that tell me baby canon Yeah, a nineties lady like Tesla, and

it always has Glenn Close in it. De Um Fatal Attraction. It was so good, so good. But before we start talking about it, I have to say that, Um, when we dug deeper into Glenn Close's character development for Alex forrest Uh, She's consulted with a bunch of psychiatrists and kind of made up this backstory that the character had suffered from sexual abuse. So if we end up talking about that, it might upset you if you're a survivor

of sexual abuse. So just you can mosey on by if that Alex forrest Uh Fatal Attraction nineteen seven an Adrian Line picture, Um, which I've seen this one. I had seen this one a while ago, but I really want to get to nine and a half weeks, which is for me, I'm rare in my mind. It's just like proto fifty shades of gray, but like have seen it, You've never seen that, We're seen it. I really want to see it. But like he was clearly such an a tour of the forum, and so I feel like

we'll definitely be revisiting him. This movie is so good. I had no idea took place in yuppie New York. Absolutely where else could Where is it? Bedford? Yeah, the most everything. Um, I've obviously seen so many things from this movie out of context, and I was saying that, like, in context, you really feel for Glenn Close. I mean, that is the kind of thing. The more you watch it, the more you realize that there are clues all along

that are kind of painting. Dan is his name, but Michael Douglas's character as the actual villain, and I think two of them I've never noticed these before. But in two instances, he approaches versus secretary and then the police lieutenant. And with his secretary he just starts like barking off things he needs and then at the end looks at her and says like, oh good morning. And then with

the police lieutenant, same thing. He's like I need you to do this, this, this, this, this, and then like shuts the door and the police lieutenant says something to the effect of like oh, well you're welcome. So he's an asshole. He also talks about how he's like a lawyer with no morals and just like does whatever he wants to get paid. But he's charming. He was filming Wall Street, I guess at the same time. It was a little bleed over. Yeah, I've never seen Wall Street.

It's so good. So this movie, in case you are not familiar with the premise of Fatal Attraction, um, Welcome to Earth. It is about Dan Gallagher played by Michael Douglas, who has this kind of a weekend fling with Alex played like Glenn Close. He's a married guy in New York. He's like it, works as a lawyer for a publishing company and uh, you know, a real yuppy guy. But they're about to make their move up state and escape

the city. But before that happens, he uh, he has some weekend fun with another lady and then she becomes obsessed with him and will not leave him or his family alone even when they move. It is I think hearing about the actual planned ending, which actually feels much more like a kind of hitchcock. He sort of noir. Um,

do you guys know about the actual ending? Yeah? Yeah, so this is the ending that was the original ending, and when they changed it, Glen Close was like furious, quite mad, which I would be too, honestly, Like, yeah, spoiler alert. In the original ending, um, there is a face off with a kitchen knife and Glenn Close Alex Forrest uses it to kill herself, but because it has been handled by Dan, it's used to like implicate him in her murder, and he's hauled off to the police.

But then his wife, who is Beth played by Anne Archer, finds this cassette that Alex had made for Dan where she's just like ranting about how she has to have it and you know, he's so horrible and it basically exonerates Dan when Beth brings it to the police and they realize that she's him, end it with him going

to jail. Well, he, oh, not quite. The thing is he got himself into this position and he acts as though he should not have to claw his way out, which you know, you can get yourself into a position and claw your way out, that's fine, but you can't just ghost he wants to go. This is like it's a revenge fantasy about somebody ghosting. Yeah, right, I mean, well, it's a really interesting choice about the script is that

it does not give you any reason. It doesn't set up like a sexless or passionless marriage or anything like that. It doesn't give him any reason to want to do it. So that when he you know, ends up, you know, getting stuck in the rain with Glenn close and going and having a drink with her and then one thing leads to another, there's no reason that we would believe this would happen other than he's just like a dude, and this is like what dudes apparently do in nine

eighties New York. Uh So when she, you know, later brings back this idea of like, you know, you thought that you could just sleep with me over the weekend, nothing would happen. I mean, even though she's done plenty of stuff that she is not a good person, let's

just like make that clear. But like on that tip, she is definitely right, Like he yeah, complicated by the fact that she claims to be pregnant, which is then verified when he calls her gynecologist, which, by the way, a guy in ecologist would not tell a stranger over the phone. Anything goes when you get the gynecologist number on your rolodex, you know, but I mean that kind of like that's kind of glossed over, is like, oh,

she's crazy, is she lying? But then when you think, well, if she actually were pregnant, she'd suffered a miscarriage the year before, so she obviously, you know, has kind of like some baggage with that maybe wants to get pregnant. Now he's pregnant. She thought it was impossible, and she's trying to tell him, but he won't answer her calls. M Yeah, I feel like these hysterical woman movies, you're

gonna identify with the hysterical woman. Well yeah, but also I think like a lot of the things that have been written about Fatal Attraction rightfully deal with the fact that she's a career woman and Beth is like the family. She's the perfect wife because yes, Emily said, like she's she's still passionate about her husband, and she's like totally understanding that he's, you know, taking a weekend to stay in the station. She's the perfect wife and it doesn't matter.

H Glenn close seduces him, but he never says no, He goes with it. It's all his fault. But then he doesn't want to take any responsibility and she's just keeps showing up being like you have to take responsibility

for your actions. That's how it works. I think one reason that it doesn't come off as pure just like a nightmare about a clingy bitch, is that he does so much stupid ship beyond just having the affair, like every single moment, every single I had to like I usually never do this, Like I usually like watch movies

at home with my full attention. But about halfway through, like somewhere around the pregnancy thing, I got so stressed out by his inability to just like cut ties and and like kept the way he kept screening her along and kept like kind of trying to like trying to the attention, love the attention. I got so stressed out I had to take out my phone and start like looking at something stupid, not like go with him. I was saying, it's like she gives me strong real hunter

in general. But I was also saying, like, you know that I always resented this movie for the fact that, like her hair is supposed to makes you she's so crazy and her hair is so big and some of us just have big, curly hair. Well. In this interview or nos a talk that like going close to which we'll go to us in a second. She does say that a lot of Alex's personal style, including her hair, might be owed to the way that Glenn Close looked

when she went in for her audition. But also like an archer also has like a perm everybody everybody has, so again, in context, it all seems more motivated. Um, she's so good. This is the thing though, is like also in that thing she talks about, and I think this is true, Like she was really not seen as somebody who could be like sexual on screen. Um. And and a lot of people, like including the producers of

the film, didn't think that she could do it. But then if you know anything about Hollywood casting, you know that it is people saying that broads aren't fleable enough. Um. Sherry Lansing was one of the producers that she named who said who like was totally convinced that it goes it's all internal life. What they're saying a lot of the time is I don't want to see you be sexual. And what is so great about her performance is that she's hot in it. I was very like, Oh, I

didn't know that Glenn Close could be sexual. She's very hot at it. I also think that from the first time that you see her, which is when one of Um, one of Dan's colleagues, is checking her out at a dinner where they're all there with their wives, but of course the lawyers are eyeballing all the women. She basically shuts him down with this like icy stare that is

so incredibly like red Flag. And it's interesting because I think what draws him to her the whole time is how powerful she isn't how scary, and there's a scene she's intense. There's a scene when Alex kidnaps um the daughter Ellen. That's when you maybe turn on Alex. Well. What's interesting is there's a scene where they're on a roller coaster and Ellen is supposed to be five or six years old, so she's probably like on the younger end to ride a roller coaster, that's the first thing

I think. But you see her face and she's like terrified, and then eventually by the end of the roller coaster she's loving it. And I think that it kind of plays on the fact that what Dan wants from Alex is like something dangerous that could almost blow up his life.

That it's the ultimate luxury for someone who has it all it is, And it's also like the ultimate sexual thrill, like on the elevator when she's giving him a blowjob and it stops between floors, like she has the hook in him at that point, and he ends up going back to her apartment. When I've noticed about erotic thrillers, is nobody ever has sex on a bed. Yea, It's always going to be running water in this movie. It's stressful to be living in l A. I'm like someone

turned off the water. It's part of it too. It's like she doesn't care. The water is just gonna overflow. The boiling on this dove, bunny or stew doesn't matter. The opera is too loud. Everything too loud. And I like that he has a daughter because you're also like, the daughter is totally clocking all the stuff that's happening. Yeah,

well that's the other thing. Is so the ending that they went with, which I think Glenn Close in the Oxford Union talk Um discusses as being you know, she was like, I don't think that it could have been a hit without that ending. Is that spoiler alert? Again? Beth ends up shooting Alex uh the good way woman, to protect the family, to protect the family, and Glenn Close was obviously, you know, very against this because to her, Alex was a victim and Alex was like a person

struggling with mountal illness. And when she was looking into the character, one of the psychiatrists who she consulted with suggested that in a scene where alex um is peeking through a window and sees Dan giving his child this bunny and they're having this like warm moment and Alex runs away to throw up, the psychiatrists suggested that maybe that reaction was because Alex was the victim of incest

at that age. Alex's father had died when she was seven of a heart attack, and that you know, she was re living kind of like the gagging nausea that she had when she was that age around her father. Again, when you when you put it that way, you're just like, this person will deserve sympathy because her life but just

as much as ruined. This is why I like, I'm kind of surprised that you guys describe her Alex as like this powerful woman because like I think that she has a career, yes, and she's like not you know, she hasn't like decided to be a housewife. But like I feel like from the get go, like that's not the first word I would used to describe her, Like she like obviously has an appetite, but I don't, I don't know. I think that she hasn't she has an

appetite that like matches his. But she also has a magnetism, and I think that that's her powers, like a sexual power. And also I mean just the fact that she deals with men as an equal basic I mean, like when they when she's asking him in a very forward way, like if he can be discreet, and it's a total lie. You know, she can't be dis eat at all, But I mean she's just bluffing in a very believable way. That kind of speaks to this confidence that she has.

But then obviously there's no core there. There's like no center to her, right, Yeah, And that, yeah, that's the thing is like knowing somebody past the first weekend, Like you can get away with not having an actual core to you or being like empty inside for a weekend, but being a wandering void. But because like Michael Douglas is a wandering Yeah, that would be more than her because with her you feel something for her, and with him, you're just like, well, he deserves to lose his family.

He made the choices that lead to he should lose his family. Yeah, I mean it's also kind of one thing that really like is hard to swallow is how long he goes without telling his wife because you're just like, why are you suffering like this? When he finally tells her, she's kind of like, okay, want when he needs her

to help him address the problem. That's the only time that he gets the like when when the value way, like you know, tips over to like okay, I should tell my tell my wife right, and then he can't even you know, she's got a killer, Like he can't

do anything right. Yeah, it's true. Also, I have to say that the architecture in this movie, like I just love looking in people's apartments and houses and how the crazy person always lives in a loft because only crazy people can really exist would live in the meatpacking district. I love whenever they're walking through the alleyway and the meat packing and everything is like on fire. Yeah they have like normal fires happening, yes, eighties. Yeah, lives on

the edge. Yeah, there's like graffiti on her window, but it's a really expensive looking apart. Talk about Glenn Close for a minute, because we all learned something about Glenn Close. Oh god, right close, And so again we highly recommend you can google list or or look it up on YouTube. There's a talk that Glen Close gave at Oxford University out a year ago. Um, where she's it's it's about it's about mental health, uh in general, what it's about her career and kind of her life and then her

approach different characters. So that's where you know a lot of the stuff about Alex Forrest comes in, but also has and I mean, this is not new, This was

not news, I don't think at the time. But apparently going Close grew up in a cult and lived in one from age seven to twenty two apparently, and she decided so long break out of the cult as a twenty two year old so she could go to college where she went to William and Mary and she studied theater there and then like you know, the rest is history. But like that was fascinating to me, Like she I don't, I don't. I guess I don't know that much about

Glenn Close. In general, I guess I knew nothing about her. I think I always I think I always thought she was like a Juilliard person, like Meryl Streep or something. But this, this makes more sense. She has so many layers. She in this topic. MARYL. Streep go to Vassar. I'm sorry, I don't want to. I thought she was born into the theater. I thought she was born into the theater. I would have assumed she was like from old money or something. I would not have guessed that she grew

up in a cult. If her father was a famous surgeon, I believe um. But I mean she also talked about how her family, like her sister, suffered from mental illness, and um, no one was allowed to see a psychiatrist or a psychologist growing up. She said it would have been as frowned upon as inviting a democrat to dinner. I mean, she's just a phenomenally interesting actor and person. I love her. I'm getting well, it's interesting too, because

she's so she didn't win for the Wife. But she is doing Sunset Boulevard the musical next, which she's done like several She's done several times, but it's going to be the filmed version of it Um And I think that's interesting because obviously Norman Desmond is like another one of like films great female monsters, who I think is like a sympathetic character that I love, you know, where you're like, oh what, she's a villain because she's like

old and still wants to be famous. Like it's more about like men's projected fear of women than anything else, you know, because she's like a cool Dracula. So I can't wait. That's gonna be I mean, that's gonna be the thing. It's good that she didn't win it for the Wife. She's not near death, She's not anywhere near the end of her career. She has so much left in her she's going to be fed. We asked a lot of great Here's here's an idea, Glenn Close play

Momo when the Oscar misunderstood. I'm just saying she does well with character roles and difficult women. My mom said that her performance and The Wife was like one of her favorite performances in years. She's really good in the way. I want to say. I didn't see The Wife, but I saw the Hoo Weekly Live show where they showed Bobby Finger showed like a super cut of just Hall of her reactions of just like looking away, sadly great, great acting, She's awesome. She also looks fantastic in it.

She did not, Yeah, she she writes a concorde. It's a period piece, so she's like, shall in the concorde like being close. It's just it's I mean, that movie isn't great by any means, but it's it's relaxing, It's got its mama. I will also recommend Glenn Close a great follow on Instagram. I just learned I followed her on Instagram. She posts a lot of pictures of her dog, whose name is Pip, and then she posts close up photos that are called hip quizzes. Very big at the

Indie Spirits. He was like the celebrity. She'll post a close up photo and be like what is this and then like two weeks later be like it was some rust on a window sill. I love that me too. I feel like going close with kids are like like clothes come on nightcall gun, clothes, come on nightcall. C um. One other question I have for you guys, which can maybe like lead us to a future erotic thriller. Um, what do you guys. Think of the sex in Fatal Attraction.

The sex scenes. I mean, there's the elevator one, there is uh oh gosh. Now I'm like, I'm having a weird brain melt because I watched two erotic throw yeah you sink uh and like the pant pants around the ankles. They're good. They're good sex scenes. I'm totally down with those sex scenes. What do you think. I mean, they're very like they're very like Madonna musical video level, like the like either in the white room or in the elevator with like the light coming through the shafts while

she's like up against the wall. It's very the guy walking by. Honestly, the weirdest thing to me is when she like grabs like a handful of water and kind of like her down. But it's funny because it's her. You're supposed to react like, WHOA so kinky? Do I feel like anything weird? And specifically that's why I like the peeling off the eyebrows and the stars point and you're just like never thought of that, think you can

make that hot. But like the best part in Fifty Shades of Gray is like somebody like bites into toast you weird, right, You're like, that's the best part of the movie. Um, it's weird specific things, and this movie has some weird specific things. Emily, what did you think of the sexy sex in Fatal Attraction? Oh, I'm into it.

I mean, like I feel like her bedroom, which is where I mean there's the sexy sex ends after like the first third obviously, Um, he does not go back for more, keeps flirting even when he's telling your yeah or do mixed signals. Yeah, I mean this is one of those things also where I think getting used to like that kind of nudity again, that kind of casual nudity, like even in movies that are R rated and have sex in them that come out now you just don't

see that is much like you don't just see grown up. Yeah, don't see a woman just like as she would after sex, like casually like hanging out with her tips out, Like, yeah, it feels she's also so tan's because I think that's the thing. It's like, she's so dangerous, she's so tan. Where has she been that she got this tan? Don't have that a little crazy from the beginning, So you're like he went for it because of that well, that was all I know. We're going like really long on

fatal Attraction. That was a thing she said is in the Oxford address about how she was like so nervous about the audition. She couldn't do her hair and she always has a hard time doing her hair and she was just like fucking and it was crazy. And she was wearing this black dress and she was like, you know, just she She's like, you're like, I'd like to get crazy. She did the like can just a white shirt dress? Thing? Like oh she was the black dry That's what she said. Yeah,

but she did that can you be discreet? Thing? And she was like just trying to throw some things out there, but she was freak out and it was so it's so interesting because her hair, her hair being like Medusa, like definitely part is when she's sitting alone in her apartment. I took a video of that for the Instagram and I will send you. I like any movie that whose message is be terrified of women, because I'm always like,

that's right correct, That's what I love. Audition Also, yeah, yeah, um, any movie that's like flur you in with femininity and then your life becomes a nightmare. We'll get to basic instinct. I mean, Michael Douglas not farewell in any of these movies, like if ever there was a man to see be made miserable and by various like wildly hot and amazing women.

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