Miley's Black Mirror and Revisiting S1m0ne

Civilization will probably come to an end by toy fifty, because like climate change, I plan to also come to an end. All good, all good. It doesn't say definitively, it says probably. This is kind of a Vice article. This is Vice who's giving us this report? I will

say I also haven't read the article yet. I have just seen it tweeted a million times, but I'm speculating that it's about climate change, refugees and stuff, and how we will have used all the resources of the earth at a certain point and then people will turn on each other as they have already been doing. Now they were kind of starting to get some perspective dates of like worst case scenario when everything's gonna go to ship. I'm sort of bummed out that I'm going to be

in my sixties for it. I kind of wish I was like a little more, I don't know, you were a young person for the apocalypse, just so that I could like outrun people and stuff. Verse. I'm gonna be not my fantasy, not my fantasy at all. Survival and fantasies are not my fantasy because I'm like, I would go limp and be the first to die. You wouldn't. You're very you don't give yourself enough credit. You know that is true, And I actually am in dangerous scenarios.

I always like summon inner pluck. Yeah, stereotyping but also true. Well, just to clarify this Vice report Um says, the headline is new reports suggests quote high likelihood of human civilization coming to an end in twenty and it was written by it's yeah, a former fossil fuel executive. And it was also backed by the former chief of Australia's military m I don't know, I don't know that sounds bad.

Backed by the Australian military. Maybe they're trying to foment fear could be well, because Australians are racist, it's how or not to generalize. Some of them aren't. But Australia as a country is like America. You know, it turned up a notch. Yeah, just like America, America in a weird e mirror. You know, it's like the same, but with different animals and types of you know, it's like America but different animals. That's a really really good way

to sum up Australia. And also redheads are plucky and like we're just we're a totally straightforward science podcast. Now, well, speaking of science, I wanted to give some real science about why does the Moon keep flashing us? Is a gas flashes? There's something flashing us on the Moon and we don't know what it is. We have known about the mysterious flashes since at least late nineteen sixties. Small regions of the lunar Service would suddenly get brighter or

darker without obvious explanations. The Science into survey of the flashes and dimming, which they called lunear transient phenomena uh and they have admitted light that is usually described as reddish or pinkish, sometimes with a sparkling or flowing appearance. The average duration of an event is some twenty minutes, but it made suburb well. Apparently there's a new telescope.

Scientists have been trying to figure out why this happens for five decades since they were first discovered in the sixties, but they are now known to happen a few times a week, and a new team of astronomers has a new telescope in Spain, specifically to find out why it might be related to the moonquakes that we were talking about last week. This is so weird. I was just reading about earthquakes because there were some earthquakes in the

Inland Empire. There were like thirty little earthquakes and and I was like, I felt no, I'm just like we're overdo obviously. I mean, maybe I'm crazy. I it was a apparently they were very small. I shouldn't have been able to feel them in Los Angeles but at us, but both my husband and I were like, earthquake. And then I checked Twitter and I was like, yes, there

is an earthquake. I was reading about earthquake weather, which is like a sort of pseudo scientific phenomenon where people predict earthquakes because they're like, oh, the weather is weird, there's going to be an earthquake. It's totally not scientific. It doesn't it's ever been proven. It doesn't really work. There's nothing you can really use to predict an earthquake, like far in advance. It's but but not far in advance animal behavior, but also animals act weird all the time,

so it's hard to distinguish. Makes you very paranoid. But they sometimes it's like they hide under the bed. That's my experiences. It's like they get weird and they start hiding, and you're like, where, what's up with the animals? And then there's an earthquake and like that's what was up. But I was reading about another phenomenon called earthquake light, which is real, which has been noticed when there's an earthquake, there's like a like a phenomenal light phenomenon that's described

as being like colored light. It sounds just like this, But where can you see it in the sky or is it like it's like a aurora a type thing. It's like an aurora you can see over the ye in the sky during an earthquake. Supposedly this sounds just like that. Maybe this is like a moonquake. That is very molly good hypothesis. That's really good because she's actually the scientific community. Well, if you actually know any science about the moon, more science about we should have uh

some scientists on this expert. Yeah, a moon ologistian my friend, my friend Emma Cunningham explained the northern lights to me. Uh, and it like I couldn't understand it at all, but I love the northern light. It's so cool, northern lights. It's one of those things are It's like, even when you haven't explained, it doesn't make it any less cool

or weird or magical. Yeah. So that at the moon minute, Well, just to dip back into the apocalypse real quick, or like, I guess maybe both the Moon and Earth are currently going through it right now. I'm sorry, I'm a really bad joke I have to do right now. Maybe maybe it's going through MOONA pause. No, yeah, that's why we're here today, Okay. Um, I was going down our rabbit hole for completely separate but also night called related reasons. I now realize and I discovered this is not at

all news, but I just wanted to share it with everybody. Um. I became aware of the Florida Dome Homes. You can look them up. They are officially called the Cape Romano Dome Homes. They're somewhere off the they're off the coast now they are off the coast of Florida. They were originally on the beach, but thanks to a couple of um hurricanes and some some of that good old glacier melt there now in the water. Well wait, technically it's one home, but it's six domes that are connected into

one house. Yes, yeah, it's a dome home. It's a dome home singular. But there's many domes I should say domes home. Yes, uh, they so. I would highly recommend a Google image search of these. They now just like look like the sort of rickety about to fall over. They kind of look like like that Greek style of like Adobe dome. They're really cool on stilts. The guy who built them built them to be completely self sufficient,

so they were like very ahead of their times. This is like in the I think in the early eighties, maybe he started to build them. Yes, Bob Bob Lee is the guy's Bob Lee. Yeah. I don't think these are featured. But there's a movie that I really love called Home Movie. It's a documentary made by the people who made American movie. It like the movie they made right afterwards, And it's just going to a bunch of people who built weird or unusual homes and interviewing them

about it, and they're all really cool. And this one isn't in it. There's somebody else who has kind of like a UFO house that's kind of a similar kind of like proto solar panel. Yeah, really cool. There are photos in this will link to this um dwell article about it that has some photos of the inside of the house when it was still functional and when Bob Lee's family lived there, and it looks really nice. It

looks yeah, total nightcall headquarters. Yes, absolutely, like these child floors looks very Mediterranean, but like all the rooms around obviously, and you've got these like you know, three D and sixty degree views of the water and you're in Florida and everything kind of looks paisy and pink and it looks great. Uh, And now they are kind of these abandoned little they look like if jellyfish could have fossils, they look like that. Ye, yes, if jelly fish had bones.

Oh my god, imagine if jellyfish had bones. I don't think they'd be jellyfish anymore. Honestly, wish have bones. It's over for us, bitches. You know they will be here long after because they are the oldest. I know they shall be the first and last. I saw a really good video recently of a comb jellyfish eating in another comb jellyfish, just like bumping up against one and then be like, like I encountered something else in my environment, I will eat it hit me anyway. I would check

out the dome. The dome home it is. It is super cool. I wish that it was anywhere nearly savageable, because I would totally be putting in a bid for it to be our night Call headquarters. But I think it's just we just have to let it go out to see. There was an interesting thing at the end about how they tried to raise money to sink it artificial. Read so when we get our gill transplants and we can breathe underwater, I'm wondering if that's not something that

could be revived successfully. Now. I wonder when that um fundraising campaign will transplant. I wonder when, like they proposed turning it into an artificial reef, because I feel like now people would be very receptive to that, whereas a few years ago, when we were so blithe, we were like, I would really like some Gil transplants and to just

live in there. That's my dream. Well, I don't think I could live under fatter even with Gil the first Little Mermaid, I'd be so know you went in because you live underwater, right, and then you would get pruny fingers, and you'd have to deal with that feeling of the thirsty skin even though it's in. It's just terrible, Like maybe you'd put sand on your body, Jills and scales to make this work. It's way too much work, guys.

I wanted to talk about one more news item before we move on, and this was I think this came out a week I think I read this on the train coming back from Nightcall last week. But there was a big article in the New York Times about Peter Max the the commercial artist of the sixties and the premier commercial artists of the sixties some of these um and how he now has dementia and his children have basically like completely like they've completely tried to buy off

his legacy. They are having him sign art that he did not make such pulled up. It's his son Adam and two business associates are doing that. His daughter Libra is like that, she's on his side, like Cosmo, And yes it is. It's Keen Lear with with with off art or so. First of all, I clicked on this because I was so curious because in my neighborhood in Brooklyn, there is a silver Jaguar that has a New York license plate that's always parked on the street somewhere around

me that says Peter Max. It's like a lanity plates says Peter Max. And I've always been like, does Peter Max live in my neighborhood and in Brooklyn? And then so I immediately opened up and I was like, Okay, what's going on with Peter Max? What's going on in the you know, not at all glamorous corner of Park Slope, which I whish I live. But apparently whoever has that car has nothing to do with or at least as not a associated with his studio, which is all on

the Upper West Side. Because of course it is um uh yeah, it's a it's a it's a wild story. It also just like I don't know about how they tried to they tried to poison him with brazil NEAs. Okay, so wait, guys, I went really deep on this great there's so many well, I just I took a lot of notes on this story because I was like, there's everyone is a villain in this story, and just be real right in Peter Max, Well, Peter Max is not

a villain much. Yeah, well he's a sellout. And then he tried he like you know, basically pled guilty to tax evasion. And after that, oh, because he was so he was an artist who very quickly was you know, he was kind of like kind of counterfeits, like he's like with Don Draper is dreaming of when he when he is meditating. He was like one of the first of that wave to just be like I'm gonna team up with the CEO of Chrysler, I'm gonna sell I'm

gonna do like advertisements. That's gonna be my thing. And then he became really into spending his money. So when he divorced his first wife, he was like, I will just build a staircase connecting my apartment and the adjacent apartment so we can lead separate lives but co parent our children. It's like, it's just like terrible. Yeah, he was. He just became a kind of a rich dick. So then he has two children, Adam and Libra. And Libra I guess he you know, Peter Max is like an

animal rights activist and stuff. Libra kind of inherited that, moved to l a was doing that, wasn't super involved in the business even though she and Adam and Peter were all running the company, so Libra didn't really have much to do with it. Adam, you know, eventually Peter Max Alzheimer's and became unable to really, you know, do his art or even kind of function at these events that he was going to, most of which were on cruise lines where people would get drunk and bid on

Peter Max paintings. So his son at some point kind of basically put the studio on lockdown so nobody could see what was going on inside, and then had all of these minimum wage workers making like replica Peter Max paintings, and then he would have his dad come in and sign them. But then, you know, I guess Peter Max is I'm not sure if he's still married to her, but his second wife, Mary Um started accusing Adam of, you know, basically kidnapping Peter Max because they couldn't find him,

couldn't contact him. And so all of the court records are cited in the New York Times investigation and that's where the poisoning vibe brazil nut comes in. So Adam is like, hey, it's not just me here, who is being abusive to my dad? Look at my mom. She is making him smoothies where she puts in hold zill nuts hoping that he'll choke. Apparently she was recorded talking to someone about hiring a guy to like intimidate Peter Max and you know, break his hand so he wouldn't

be able to paint. It is this whole It feels like there's a lot of stories like this recently about elder abuse with famous famous There's a Stanley one and the guy just got convicted. Oh did he? Yeah? I was selling that for a while as well. Um. Yeah, it's it's it's some dark stuff, like the idea of the Norwegian isn't it like a Norwegian cress line that's like a Peter Max theme boat, Like it's it just sounds like part of me is like would I want

to be on that? And then I'm like no, absolutely not. And then when just filled with all this like forged dart that like some old man with franches forced like a gunpoint basically to side, Like, oh god, it's so dark, all of it. It's like velvet buzz soft. Yes, yes, I feel like there's so much creepy bullshit in the regular art world though, too, you know what I mean.

I like every baroque I know, but every big artist has like an army of like underpaid, you know, lower tier people fabricating all the arts for them, like they don't make any of the art they tried to, kind of like Damian Herst's like people build build art for artists who dictate how to do it. But then this is like too many degrees of separation even for that realm. If you're not even conscious of making the art, then I don't know. That's something else. I don't know. It's

it's a pretty wild story. The new Katy Perry video for Never Really Over is very Peter max ish. Yeah, it's all like kind of looks like a Paisley scarf with It's very like the like the coke commercial from the Last Madman that you're just talking about. It's very like seventy really seventies, late sixties. Also the song is good.

Speaking of pop stars, I flew on a very special UFO to England where I saw the new Black Mirror episode that nobody has seen yet um and not as of this recording, not nobody, but it's now out, which means everybody can talk about it. But it means I'm, you know, projecting this to you from from before you've seen the Black Mirror episode. Is what I'm saying is I've seen this Black Mirror episode. It is now out on Netflix. Now out on Netflix and you can watch too.

It is called Rachel Jack and Ashley Too, and it stars Miley Cyrus as a pop star named Ashley Oh. And this will be another Black Mirror episode that people will be like, how did this predict exactly what is

happening right this moment? Because it does eerily touch on some issues of many things we were just talking about in terms of like ownership, create of ownership, who profits off of an artist, especially one that has a lot of people profiting off of them, and a motive in continuing making every person continue to work h So Miley

plays Ashley Oh. And the best thing, one of the many good things about this episode, which is very nightcall bait e, is that, um, she sings a pop song that is had like a Hole by nine inch Nails with new lyrics that her Hannah Montana e. Oh. I thought she just did a cover of head like a Hole. No, it's so much better than that. It's like they show her singing the song and I was like, what is

this song? It's so catchy and also familiar in the trailer, right maybe, Um, I've had it and I've had it in my head since then and I couldn't share it with anybody. But it's like, amah, it's called on a roll. I'm on a roll. I'm taking control, doing my best achieving muggle. Oh my god. Um And they play in a million times in the episode and it's really good. Uh. This episode touches on yeah, many things we all talk about in terms of wait, so what's the prim like,

what happened? What happens to her in the story? Too much of it, that's spilling too much. It's a dual narrative about Ashley Oh and a teenage girl who is her fan and so it's mostly from the point of view of the girl who's the fan, but it's about Ashley is about to turn twenty five, and that is when she gains control of her business basically, and she has an aunt who has a conservatorship and she, uh, the aunt maybe is being manipulative of her to try

and ensure that the money never stops. It sounds it sounds good. I missed Black Mirror. I've been like really after band or Snatch. I thought that they were going to at least the next three episodes, like right away, and I was just kind of tapping my finger. Sounds really good, I cried at the end. But it's also without spelling too much, it's maybe not as depressing as some Black mirrors. If you're a person who doesn't like to watch Black Mirror because you find it too depressing,

it too depressing. Black mirrors are difficult, I think this is not that one. Um, it's very good. It it's funny also, but it also concerns a robot, a home robot called Ashley Too, the titular Ashley Too, and so they make an AI of her basically or something like that, like to continue to be able to make money off of her. Is that the basic premise of it, or it's like they make an AI of her. Yes, they

that's the basic premise. They make an AI of her by like scanning her consciousness, putting it in like a little Alexa home robot that's in like this little Wally that like sits on your desk and it's like, hey, what are you doing? Hey, talk to me about your feelings? Um in Miley's voice, Well, like this is even happening now though, like this was happening a couple of years ago.

I feel like, um, I feel like who who gave an interview about this after being in a Marvel movie where they were like, um oh, I realized that now my entire body and likeness has been scanned by Marvel and Disney and therefore and it is it belongs to them. Like this was a part of the contract because they had to, you know, make a digital recreation in your likeness. Yeah, they own your likeness and then they can essentially make

anything with that likeness. They can simulate your you know, they can do the Princess Leiah thing from from the end of Rogue one or whatever they can. They can you know, generate a new you. Uh yeah, so that that is extremely what this is about. And the fact that it stars Miley makes it also kind of like. It's very meta but not annoying. It's funny and good and I'm excited for everybody else to see it. Um seamlessly into our discussion of a movie we all watched

called Simone. I would say we watched Simone because we watched Simone because of this. I did not remember though, that while I was looking at the trivia for Simone, and one of the things about it was that they were planning to market it as that they had generated the first AI actress. And then it was right around the same time as the Final Fantasy Movie, you know, when they were like, We're going to make cg I movies with entirely c g I people, and SAG got

so mad about it. Bless the screen actor. I am a member of the great Force that I love. I was legit concerned about actors being replaced with c g I and so they forced like Simone to say, like, no, this is a real actress playing this part, which it obviously is, because it's not at all believable c g I. Yeah, what do you think of Simone. Oh my god, Well, I saw this movie in theaters when it came out.

I think that they were really pushing that. It was like, oh, it's the guy who did Gatica, so it's gonna be like fun but also like a keen person's sci fi thing. And it is very much like a it's totally a Black Mirror episode before there was Black Mirror, Like like, what it's about is interesting, right, And it's The hilarious thing is that it was not well received at the time, and I think that that's probably due to the fact

that it's not a very good movie. But a lot of a lot of the reviews are just site that it's so far fetched or it could never happen and blah blah blah blah blah. And that's not the problem with the script is really bad. The script is really bad. Uh. The tone is super weird, very strange, but not in like a fun way. It made me appreciate Under the Silver Lake, right, No, there have been a ton of

movies recently where I've been like Under the Silver Lake. Actually, at least it gave me a feeling, right well, it tries to dip into satire every now and then and just like cannot nail it, like a combination of just like I, I don't know, it feels like sometimes out but you know, might not be fully present in the role. And then but I can't blame Piccino. He was so game for this, like he was working with a green screen for a lot of it, doing a great job there.

I feel like everyone who made it thought they were making a really important movie. And I was also shocked to realize that came out in two thousand two. But that explained everything to me because I was like, this movie takes place in the future. Yeah, that then like wasn't going to happen after in the got those marimbas. It's got that kind of pseudo American beauty score, which is very totally reminded me of is Paul Simon's The

Rhythm of the Saints. This like slightly embarrassingly, very embarrassing, like white Man on the drums kind of. It was just like I will say, let me say it always Paul Simon. I can't. It's hard. It's hard, it's so emotionally it's bad. I know, we're two out of three for Paul assignment. Unfortunately, come on Sorry Loos. I think what is really tragic about Simone is that I love The Truman Show so much. I think we all like

The Truman Show. And Andre Nicholl wrote co wrote The Truman Show, and that was actually his first movie that he wanted to get made, and then they were like, we're not going to give you eighty million dollars to make your first movie. And it turned out to knocked it out of the park. He did good job, he did great that that's what's in Peter were so much better of a director Simone. It had Peter Weir. I think maybe he could have spun gold out of it.

I think that there's something about the you know, Patino's character, what's his name? Victor turand Taransky? They say his name so often. How I wiped it Victor Turansky Victor Taransky is the most interesting thing about this movie is all the weird people in it. Yeah, one place the daughter, which means play from the West World universe, which makes perfect sense. Sure, Jay Moore is the hotheaded leading man.

Is such a weird choice in this room. And then Winona Writer at the beginning playing the actress, the bitchy actress who storms offset creating the need for a cg I actress is Nicola Anders and reminder, this movie was made by Andrew Nicole. Yeah the crazy things, did you guys notice? So so so Nicola Anders. You know, she's she's sort of the impetus for this whole thing of him being like, what if there was a woman I could control from beginning to end of the of the

promotion and the production and everything. Uh. And then she, after kind of realizing that she lost out on this major chance to become a star like Simone, Nicola Andrews comes back with her tail between her legs, like dressed like a serious theater person and like a black turtleneck and and and like a Lilith style haircut. Um or like up to or whatever. And um uh. She does an audition for a scene that I swear to God

and I will go back and check this. I should have done that before this, but I'm pretty sure it's almost word for word the audition scene from Mulholland Drive. Yeah, because it also checks out, which is like one year before. But it's like it's like, you know, both of them end with I wish you were dead, I wish we were both dead, and I was like, I know this scene, it's that other audition scene from that other movie from

the same weird era. But I mean there's a lot of like Easter eggs and stuff like that in this movie. But that did not make me like it. That's normally something that can booy me, and also just the funny. The only funny parts are Simones movies and their titles, including Sunrise, Sunset, Eternity Forever, and my favorite one, her art film I Am Pig, which, like, I just want to watch I Am Pig. So it's just her eating

out of a trough with big and that's all. We should back up slightly just to like explain what specifically this movie is about, which is that this director of Victor Taranski want, you know, as we said, like he wishes he could have an actress he could truly control. So he gets this drive from this crazy scientist who conveniently is dying like the next Christopher Maloney. Right, No, Calias Kate, cut it, Oh, Ellive Qatar is very similar. Yeah,

don't cut it. It's part of the My husband was like, it was like how many and what you went on this whole tangent, But he was like, how many rules do you think that both he and Chris Maloney were up for? And it like was this big? Did they hate each other? We were talking about that. We were like, oh no, we have to go back to watching Simone to stop talking about this. I watched. I watched Simone in three sittings. I usually try to just like cruise three things, and I couldn't. I took a nap in

the middle of it. Um but put you to sleep. It does. It's really the middle really lacks. But he gets this technology simulation one renamed Simone uh and uh, and then we kind of YadA yata through how he actually gets her to be in his movie. I will say that his movies that he makes are very funny in a kind of late nineties way, like the way that they like parody what the movie thinks is like

an art film, Like it's pretty funny. Like there's so there's one that's called Sunrise Sunset and it feels like I don't know if it's supposed to take place in like seventeenth century Portugal or something like that. All of it has like like Gregorian chant music, star More and this woman that Andrew Nicole end up ended up marrying apparently. Yeah, that is the craziest part of Simone is finding out that he married the actress who plays Simone. Rachel Roberts

did was a biotherm model. She was on mad Men and I think c s I. She's been She's been in a lot of stuff. And then she was also in the music video for Bitch Better Have My Money. She's the wife. Yeah, Med's Med's his wife. Yeah. So yeah, he basically has to keep up this ruse because he couldn't just like tell his his producer slash ex wife

is played by Katherine Keener. We all love Katherine Keener, a wonderful presence to have even a movie like this, but she, for some reason, because it's a movie, he has to keep this from her. And he's Simone. Well, his plays he Simone, and he uses he has a special Simone. Let's let's clarify. Simone is not sentient. Yes, no, she's not a holl No, she's not a how it's Kranski.

She's a lot a weird sitting in front of a screen with her c g I face and she repeats using the voices canned voices of actresses of the Golden Age of cinema or whatever, and to mimic what he has a mimic button. He has a special keyboard. I also was like, I just want to know about this keyboard. There's like a mimic button, like an a loop button. So it's like eventually just by video editing button, but

just by using his magical keyboard. He he, you know, everybody's responding to Simone, even though Transky's movies are really bad and they're just like it doesn't matter put her in anything. So then he like has her ascend as a pop star and she's given concerts as a hologram

and everyone's like weeping because it's so beautiful. But then he becomes like afraid of her success and kind of tries to like destroy her career by having her do I Am Pig and like smoking and drinking wine in like you know, streamed interviews, and everyone's just like, look at Simone, She's so three real and she kind of he has her kind of imply that she's like dating to Ransky to make Catherine Keener jealous. The one thing that I think maybe ages the Lee stwell in this movie.

And you could take your pick of a lot of things, But I do think that the thing that I feel like, if this is a black mirror and if this was made, if this premise was done now, the trajectory of her

public approval would be so much different. It's a very nineties thing, and it's a very mono culture thing to have this star, this like fictional star that everybody has the exact same opinion about everybody, from the producer who's producing the movie that she's in, to like these you know sleazy guys who were one of them, who's Jasian swordsman, who's like trying to get the inside scoop on whose simone is. They all are just like universally adoring of her.

And that's that was very pre internet. That feels very and but even like I think even though pre Internet you would have you would have a backlash at some point over somebody like that, it also wasn't pre Internet. Also because Evan rachel Wood's character is like constantly being shatter aim or whatever she loves computers is reading about Pygmalion, of course, I mean it's like it's so and it's and it really doesn't have like almost any humor because

he's like fundamentally unsympathetic. I think it's the problem. Yeah, it's like he's horrible, but it's like under the Silver like it's like women are objects. What if you could just make an object and tell it whatever to do whatever you want. Oh, you're still unsatisfied. Like that could be a really interesting arc. But the way they do it as like, I don't know, it's like Pacino can't save it because it's like it's like Studio sixty on

the Sunset Strip. You're like, I fundamentally can't care about like a rich asshole unless there's some sort of like humbling well also there unless it gets like Scrooge. You know early on that there's really no possibility that Simone will attain the ability to kind of differentiate, like she's never gonna go rogue, as like a row bought might in a more interesting movie. That's why The Black Mirror is good because all of these things, uh and more.

I think it's an interesting artifact that at least shows that we were thinking about these things before they came to pass, and also that like apparently people deemed them to be completely unbelievable at the time. But like the mimic thing I mean, YadA YadA is all the tech because it doesn't you know, obviously nobody knew who that was going to work. But like all that stuff is very very plausible. Now you could we have like we have hologram pop stars. Yeah, yeah, we have um, we

have hatsun a miku. We have like people go paying money to go see a hologram perform Oh. Actually the Hologram Theater on close um kind of the creepiest things ever. Emily was going to just I went there. Yeah, I heard about this on who Weekly. Shout out to who Weekly. Al Ki David Um got bust for trying to transport all these marijuana plants, like some something like several million dollars worth of marijuana plans to um the Bahamas or

like Turks and caicos or something I can't remember. This is the person who runs This is the person who ran the Hologram theater, owned the company that had did like the Michael Jackson hologram and everything check out maniac a total maniac. Hologram theater always seems so fucked up to me because it only had three performers. Like I would go by and like see it all the time.

And I talk to people who worked there once because I could sense it wasn't long for this world, and they were like, nobody comes, uh, but sometimes kids come to see the Tupac show. But it only had three performers, and it was Tupac, Billie Holiday, and Jackie Wilson, who are all like black performers who died in tragic ways, which like seemed incredibly just sucked up. You're profiting off a hologram of like this person. Also, the Billy Holiday thing is so bizarre. I don't out like like evolved,

because those are the people they could get the rights to. Nobody. They couldn't get the one they wanted them any one so bad. That was so sad about it was people who like maybe did need the money, like someone from like Billy Holidays a state or whatever. But it's still like it's so funked up, like forced to perform for eternity, such a black mirror thing. So it's also interesting that it failed. Maybe he just because he went bankrupt, but

maybe just didn't seem like anyone ever went there. I think there just wasn't as much of a market for it as people thought. Well, people are interested in people are interested in a hologram right now popping up as like a novelty in the middle of an award show or Coachella or something. But I don't even think now if you did that anybody would care. But at the time it was like nobody knew that we could do a hologram tupaca. When that happened at Coachella, everybody was like,

oh my god, this is amazing. This is so uncanny.

But like, if if it's the main event, if it's something that you're going and expecting and you expect a certain level of performance us like heavy scare quotes, Yeah, I don't know, it's uncanny if it's some who's a real person and who's dead, you know, But that's somebody who's like an alive person and they want to perform with a hologram of themselves or whatever, setting down a hologram to perform in places simultaneously, which is one of the things on the Black Mirror they talk about like

that in a certain way, as long as the person is consenting to do that. But that's what you're saying about saying off your likeness, it's super weird. Like I think that's some there's something somewhat reassuring, even though like it would be fully predictable, but if everybody had truly gone wild for a hologram fever, I would be kind of like, what what are we do? You know, It's like it's like the Swan, It's like we pulled back

from the precipice, like full evil. We're like, just because we can do something awful doesn't mean we have to. But that's kind of why Simone sucked so bad, because there's no there's no bad consequence for hologram or an AI robot. Like Simone's image wasn't lifted from anyone else. It was just fabricante because she is totally fictional. But again that brings you into weird issues of I mean,

it's like slightly unsettling. But with Truman Show, what was really interesting about Truman Show was that it had like a heart and it had someone who was like victimized by this culture. And with Sman, the steaks were so low. I mean, the worst that could happen is a bad director who was who didn't have talent, who didn't have much of like a sympathetic streak to him, but also just he would just lose his contract or something, they pay the sad strings and he's like, well, this is it.

This is the end of my career. It's like good, I don't know, like good. And that's why it's strange, as you would think that for especially for a comedy. I think that there should be these gigantic steaks where you're just like, wow, how ridiculous, Like it could all go wrong, it could be so terrible, but the worst

thing that could happen isn't bad at all. Well, it's categorized as a sadire, and I just don't think it's sharp enough as a satire, Like I think because you can have an unlikable protagonist like him that we legitimately don't care about and we want to see the worst happen to him with the light in his misfortune, but like it doesn't ever really lean hard enough into that, and there's nobody else like to kind of counteract his like kind of boring sleaziness. There's nothing else going on

other than that. So we would like his daughter to direct a movie here, Oh man, it should be about like a really unattractive woman who makes a c g I avatar ye and tricks everybody like the best actress exact simone. That's a very good idea. Um well, um, before we go, I want to talk very briefly about Giant Monsters because the Godzilla King and the Monsters just came out. I haven't seen it yet. I want to

see it. I actually liked the last American Godzilla movie pretty well, which I guess is a controversial opinion to have because Godzilla doesn't show up in it for so long. So some people got mad because no sea Monster, want to see big Monster go boom. I guess like faster in the movie. But I think it's pretty good. Uh, And so I was eager to see how this one trying. I found footage one. No, no, it's a fukushimo one. It's like it's got but it's like an English It's

like a mostly English speaking cast. Um Our Boy can Wannabe is in it. Brian Cranston's in it. Uh. It's like they're like basically Godzilla comes back, but he comes out of the nuclear fallout of the Big power plant or the nuclear plant explosion in Japan. From eleven you Godzilla went to number one. Well good, well, it's well, it's got all the monsters in it. It's got it's got Mathra, It's got key Guidera and it um. I just think all of these musters are so adorable, So

I'm always like, kind of so adorable. They're like a cootie Rogues gallery. Yeah. Um, yeah, we were kind of having a mini debate over big monsters, I guess and and and and how interesting they are because I think Molly you brought it up that Kaiju, like the Godzilla monsters are all kind of just like big Pokemon, which is it's like all the Pokemon are like little Godzilla. Yeah, maybe you know, um, but I don't know. I feel

like I saw somebody I can't remember who. I've been staying away from reviews because I just want to see the movie. But I saw somebody refer to Godzilla movies as religious films, and I was like, yeah, that's right, like they are. It is about a divine punishment, Like that's that's why what these movies what we deserve. Yes, it's always why. It's what she deserves, she being, she being the people of Earth, and yeah, she's Earth's she. Godzilla is a woman. And somebody on Twitter was like, well,

it's not Godzilla. How we know, um, Godzilla. Yeah, Godzilla is like the punishment for for fucking with science. Yeah, I'MI like, who's your favorite of the Godzilla roos gallery? Um? I like King geta a lot. I just I don't know it's okay, but I love Godzilla. I just love playing on Godzilla. I love Godzilla is kind of thick. I love when Godzilla. I love the atomic breath. I was saying to tests because I was like, you gotta try Godzilla film and the last one of the last

Japanese Godzilla films. I think there was another one since then, but it came out in twenty six sean Godzilla. I think it's called Godzilla Resurgence or something. But it's directed by Hideaki Ano who did Neon Genesis Evan Gelian. So it's like great, it's hilarious first of all. Um, and it's just like about infrastructure. It's just about like government bodies, like malfunctioning while trying. It's like I V P had Godzilla basically. Um, and it's also got like it's got

some really amazing um what do they call them? Evolutions of Godzilla in it? Godzilla looks pretty normal at parts in parts of the movie. Uh, I've started to rewatch um neon Geness is even Galian, just because it's coming out soon on Netflix, and I think that that is one of the best big monster uh galleries. I guess, um, yeah, nuclear big monsters are coming back. Yeah, there's something very

powerful about them. My favorite is Mathra. Yeah's grandmom's name is Martha, and so I think my dad nicknamed her Mathra was certain points solid reasoning a poster um And yeah, I love Mathra. I just also because, um, she's like a moth queen and she has those cool dependants who work for her. Yeah, sing the song about her. I love the song. Oh my god. Yeah, the Mathra song

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