It's four five am in Humboldt County and you're listening tonight. Call Welcome Tonight, Call a podcast for your rain soaked days and moon soaked nights. I'm Molly Lambert and joining me here in Los Angeles is Test Lynch. And guess what That's all you get? That is it? That's what you get. Emily Yoshida is in the snow at Sundance. She's been doing some really good reporting from Sundance on all the movies she liked. I'm just picturing her waist
deep in snow, trudging between weird branded opportunities. You have to fill in the gaps because she hasn't been giving us that visual content. It's true. I feel I feel like maybe she's also Emily is a connoisseur of bad branded experiences, but I feel like maybe she's she's taken taking a step back this year from the branded experience branded, from the full immersion of the the nightmare world. I'm excited for when she gets back and we can grill
her on everything that is no longer embargoed. Yeah, we were going to talk today about a documentary called Murder Mountain on Netflix. After disparaging true crime documentaries on streaming services. We're going to just talk about one the whole time. We shan't disparage today. We ant disparage because we both loved Murder Mountain. I watched the whole thing and testes
halfway through. And then we're going to talk about the madness caused by the sea, which is related to space madness, which I think we've kind of touched on before, but I got super into the idea of c madness and now I know when someone asked if I would rather go to the bottom of the ocean or two outer space, the answer is no longer so clear cut. It's a deep investigation coming up. It's a deep dive. It's a deep can you tell how silly we're feeling? Very Then
we're going to talk about food trends. Yeah, what's what's on the way out and what's on It's called food Moods. It's a new segment we're debuting today, What's on the way out and what's on the way in. Uh, let's start with Murder Mountain. Okay, So I am going to go ahead and say that so far I'm enjoying Murder Mountain more than I did the Sun Yahson documentary, which
I just referenced last week. I believe when we were talking about if you can leave um cooked dumplings out for hours an hour right, and you said we can't get well, I'm the only person who's concerned. I've had food poisoning. It's not pleasant. But also you don't want to eat a cold dumpling. Yes, but Test has been concerned about serving food at our live show was that it might give people salmonella, and then we would be
didn't specifically say salmonella, we did say food poisoning. They're very different, like Sheila from giving people that's the thing, but she did it on purpose. We would be doing it accidentally. We're not going to do it because I put my foot down and I was like, only having Boston cream pie or cake or something that's shelf stable. It's crazy that you think Boston cream pie is shelf stable. It is because if you put enough sugar in something,
it actually acts as a preservative for milk. No, it's for real, because think about things like think about you know, baked goods that sit out. I think it like muffins. It is weird that the sugar acts as a preserve it. You can't do it forever, but you could do it for good twenty four hours. This is a great introduction to Murder Mountain because what makes Murder Mountain a great documentary is that it is about a variety of people who live in Humboldt, California, the weed growing capital of
the world, maybe America at least. But it's very rambly and stony and features a wide variety of niche California dirtbag archetypes. I heard about this documentary from Willie Staley of New York Times fame and my brother Ben Lambert of Lambo Lambo Fame. My brother told me to watch it because he was like, gets a true crime documentary, but it doesn't really get to the point very much, but in a way and if they really have a more compelling ambiance than I used to with such rambling stories.
It's very rambling in everybody who's interviewed, well, there's a lot of old hippies getting interviewed. First, for instance, Douglas for yes, there's a gentleman named Douglas. For it is about the story of how Humble became the weed capital, and the story is essentially like a bunch of hippies moved there as part of the back to the Land movement in the seventies and built a nonagone shaped building, a nine sided building. For some reason that has not made clear. They were like, it had to be a
nine time. We all built it together. We built it naked while wearing I was saying, there's like a bunch of photos of just like naked hippies. It seems like a very chill atmosphere that could not last because then the money started rolling in. Well, I mean it's a multilayered story because I think there's a certain type of man who ages to look exactly like Stephen King does now where it's like, you know, it's just the untamed eyebrows, the untamed ear hair. It's just a very fuzzy caterpillar
looking man. I'm very fond of this archetype. Everybody was seemed very chill from the old guard. I mean that is again maybe Test and I are the boomers at heart of this podcast for but we were like very enchanted by the old hippie whose name was Douglas for Douglas for and then his friend whose name I forget, but Douglas Fur was the most charming Douglas for was
the drug smuggler who went He went to Pakistan. Oh yeah, that's right, and he got the seeds and they were sewn into garments and little like jewelry bags and stuff and brought back. But I think all of the old hippies kind of make the distinction of we weren't criminals, we were outlaws, like we just wanted to be self sufficient and we just needed to like grow what we needed and what we really really needed, what kind of starts in the way, like wild wild country starts start.
It's like we just like we were rejecting society and we had to start our own society. But I could totally understand where they were coming from much more easily joined them back to the land movement immediately and just like build nine sided buildings naked with a bunch of comrades, It seems fun, grow your own food. And then they were like, oh and yes, we'd also one of ours,
a staple of ours. I mean. Also, I think they made kind of a good case for the fact that a lot of people had served in Vietnam came back and really didn't feel at home. In society, but we're kind of just like peaceful, wanted to live in a community, and they were able to find this like understanding community
and then of course everything imploded with the War on drugs. Right, It's like the idea of the first preppers of people being like, let's go be self sufficient and like live off the land, and seemingly it went fun for a little bit and then yeah, the War on drugs comes in. UM. I was saying, this is a lot like the there's the Thomas Pynchon book Vineland is kind of about some of this stuff. Uh, this was a great California documentary, everybody.
It's also about like so it's a true crime documentary. Technically, the true crime element is the fact that so in the Emerald Triangle, which is this um specific area of Humboldt County in the southern part, there is I forget what it's actually called, but all of the locals refer to it as Murder Mountain because I mean, first of all, the geography makes it really impossible to kind of you know, find people who have been lost, and also people will
come up for the harvest season and they already are kind of like drifters a lot of the time. It starts with that that there's like an economy of drifters coming in and out to trim weed because it's like a job you can take and like theoretically make a bunch of money in a year or summer or whatever. But Murder Mountain also has a really heavy like criminal component, and everybody's armed, and there are these guys on a
TV is with you know, their own guns. Even when when the police come up to Murder Mountain, um, these like they're almost like security for Murder Mountain will kind of escort the police, and the police were like, no thanks. So the police hate going up there. So it's kind of like this lawless area. Um. But it was interesting because when they interviewed some of the residents, like a lot of the missing person's posters are put up by parents, and like a lot of the people who live up
a Murder Mountain our parents. So these two moms were like, oh, hell no, we're gone. That is the true crime element of Murder Mountain is a kid who went from San Diego Ocean Beach Ocean Beach, And it's also like this was very tragic, but also like interesting because so many true crime documentaries are about missing women, you know, where you see a million pictures of them and maybe some
like video footage, but you never hear their voice. And that was like this but with the dude, and I wasn't very I was like, oh, I'm so unused to this, Like I kept waiting to be like, what is this guy like? And then it was just like he was just a chill, so cow bro. I don't know. I mean, it sounds like he wasn't like perfect, but not not that anyone needs to, but he was so San Diego and whenever they showed footage of him, for all the stuff they had where there was like a tribute to
him and it was like a Sublime cover band. It was all very Sublime. And so that was funny to me, just because it was not like funny that you abductive, but funny. But like there was all this stuff about the nor Caw like so called divide know where they were like he didn't understand the culture around here. Ye. Well. Also it should be noted that Humboldt County, I think has a higher percentage of missing people than anywhere else
thinks that's what they say. Also They're like, people come through all the time, and people go missing all the time, so it's very hard if you're like pursuing a specific missing person. They were just like and it's like a pretty small place, so they only have a sheriff anything. The department is overextended or whatever. But this documentary also ends up being about the fallibility of the police and I got to go to the private investigator. Yeah, it's
about how the cops don't do anything to help. Yeah, And also, I mean the divide between the police and the residents is very it's obviously pretty intense. I mean they also showed a town hall where now the people have been harvesting weed on the black market, are trying
to go legit, and it's just cripplingly expensive. They're all losing all of their savings, and they're doing it because they want to be able to not feel as though they're, you know, living under this threat that they're constantly going to be exposed and sent to prison or whatever. But it's so prohibitively expensive that they're just risking kind of everything they have. And I think the police have this animosity towards people who are in any way involved in
the black market. So they were super dismissive of this guy's dad. They didn't want to help at all, so he had to go to a private investigator, which, by the way, quick pause, Molly, would you ever be a private investigator? Oh? I think we fantasized about this every day. I think about it all the time. I call is a p I firm. Would you drive around? They would be like the private investigators. She is great because that's what happens is then like a cool lady who wants
to get to the bottom of things coming. It's just a great assortment of characters. It's like a big ensemble, which I enjoy. I loved it. I'm also I usually like, don't admit this, but I've never been to northern California. Right, I'm just gonna say, I'm really been into Northern California. I've been. I've been to Napa and that's it. It does. But it was like brief. I mean, it was super brief.
I'm so deeply ashamed now. I just and I've been to Big sir, but I've never like really spent any I mean I've been here for however many years, been to San Francisco. Yeah, Okay, I'm dancing around never to San Francisco. But I've also I never like spent any like large chunk of time. I mean when I went to Big Sir, it was for my honeymoon. So I just kind of like planted myself in a hotel and was like big trees. Right, I did, But it's like
I took one walk, you know what I mean. Looking back, I have these pictures and I was like, there's that on her honeymoon. She's like, I kind of get back to work. Wait, I started remember this happening to you. There were I have pictures on my computer. Somehow you had a problem being off the grid. It's such a huge problem being off the grid. I mean, it's it really. That's what this documentary really kind of drove home for me on a personal level was I was like, man,
look at them like they're just of the land. Like when I was out in that same beautiful, majestic forest, I was like, I don't know, I mean, they're not of the land, because well that's what they get to. I mean, first of all, then they get to like it's being legalized, which is what is so weird is then they're like now it's like this entire industry that's thrived because it's like an outlaw industry is gonna go legit.
And there's like the split between the people that embrace legalization and the people that are like it's rigged, Like we got to keep selling it on the black market to the rest of the states that don't have legalized weeds still and we can sell them weed. People say the word outlaw more than I've ever heard. They say outlaw and vigilante. Every other word out of everyone's mouth is like you got to be an outlaw up here. But it's like the Waylon Jennings kind of outlaw. It's
not like the outlaw. It's a real like Boomrie outlaw that they are talking about, and that's like that's the first thing that happens. It's like, so the hippies who like founded the commune and created the weed growing economy get forced out by the like once there's money involved, they get forced out by sort of like scary drug dealers.
I saw my dad about this documentary and he was like, Oh, I knew a woman who like moved to Mendocino or whatever to to grow weed on a weed farm and then left because she was like everybody had to sleep with a shotgun at night. Yeah, And I mean that's the other really crazy thing about this documentary is they go, is it uh a guy whose last name is Dookie do brothers? Okay, So yeah, there's a secondary storyline about a guy who is like this horrible part of there's
like the new generation of weed growers are like the worst. Yeah, California like a TV. Maybe it'll be charming later, t bros. No, it's so bad because that guy they introduced him and then he immediately is a dick to like these workers. Well, he takes eight bond rips, he has three cups of came meal T. He's talking about how professional he is. Then his workers come with just a new businessman like here, I am selling my product that is wed. Yeah, I have to drink came meal T and take on my
bad rips. Yeah, and then the workers come in. One second later, the workers arrive. Absolutely, he's not the professional camemeal drinker. He pretends he's a total dick to them. And he's a white guy, and he's a dick to these like migrant farm workers and you're like you need to so they're pretty justified when they throw a rock through his window. Yeah, So then he's like a second later.
That's also like, that's a great part of the documentary because it's very relatable seeing somebody who's clearly very stressed out be like, I'm going to smoke more weed and this will solve the problem. So he does like five more. He's like, I guess I better take a big bong rip now to chill out. Ha ha, and he like does all these bong hits compulsively, and then he just
makes them more paranoid and weird. And then they throw a rock through his window because he blames them for his crop getting screwed up, and they're like, it's not our fault that like mold grew on your crop, but yeah, I'm not paying you anything. It's super gross. So his name is like Jeff Dukey. It's it's either Jeff or Mike or exactly that kind of thing, and he's like, it's the Dukie Brother's weed company. So he is another character. And then there are these two women who are just
like local yokels who seem really cool. One of them she died before the documentary was completed. It was made so it's her friend talking her name was Sherry, who died, and then her friend is kind of talking about how um Sherry got interested in the missing person's case and kind of took it on herself to go stick in her nose where it didn't belong. And they look like
real like just dust bowl. Love it, love it, like those photographs of women in the dust bowl where just like people have just been living in, like like their mouths are just a line. They all look real craggy. We were saying, everybody in this documentary kind of looks like a redwood. Do you think it's the altitude. I don't know, it's also the style. I'm kind of embracing that style. The women all looked really cool. There were a couple of women they show. There's this one woman
who's a grower who's so cool. Are you talking about pink hair? Yeah, she's so really cool, right, And then there was like another woman who they kept showing who had kind of like a big sunglasses and oh, yeah, so that's the missing person's aunt. She seemed also, I was like, what, it's her. A lot of interesting faces, just some good like kind of California weird archetypes, and then all these bros and like board shorts and valcom hats,
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guilty about if you partake in the business of weed. Yeah, this will make thee This documentary doesn't even really go into like it talks about the War on drugs a little bit, but it's like it's a pretty white documentary. It's of an extreme, extremely white document entering, so they don't they don't even talk. It's like some of these people being like, oh, yes, we were just outlaws growing
our weed and like living our lives. It's like, well that. Honestly, I felt as though the just how white it was kind of told its own story. I felt it was intentional of just the threat of what happens to you if you're a white person in California getting in trouble for weed is very different than yeah, otherwise, it doesn't even really go into that. It's just sort of about like the specific the specificity of like the humblet weed market, and then it's like, yeah, it's all like crazy like
white meth heads with guns and it's terrifying. It is because Dan, that's what they show you. It's like Murder Mountain is just like a bunch of crazy, tweaked out people with weed farms and shotguns and they talk a lot about like everybody's like, oh, here's my gun. Just got my gun out, like like somebody shoots somebody later on in the documentary spoiler alert, just because they're like, oh,
he took his gun out like he always does. In the other the guy was like tweaking out and thought it was a threat, so he shot him in the face. And you're like, that probably happens a lot. Everybody's really paranoid because they're like trying to grow a crop that like if it fails, they're going to go broke. Uh.
And there's a lot of like looting. Also. It is very painful to me to see the archival footage of the police in the In the I think it was three was when they started using helicopters to find the farms and the police would just come down and just harvest all the weed and lighted on fire and it
just was so unbearable stupid. Uh. Anyway, good documentary. No, I mean I think I also like the war on drug stuff again, just to put that stuff in historical contexts, especially now that they're like repealing weed or making weed legal, to be like, yeah, yeah, but look what also we did too people, Oh yeah, sold weed. And so that's the thing in the documentary to is sort of like the police trying to deal with like, well, now it's legal, so we have to help them, and then they're suddenly
sort of interested in helping solve the case. There was at least one ex law enforcement officer who expressed remorse about what had happened um during the eighties drug bus and like how he had kind of been complicit and driving up the cost of weed and like making it a really unstable whereas before it had been kind of just like this you know, community of farmers who were trying to make enough money to live off of, but had turned it into this kind of like race of
just greedy people and this influx of I keep talking about the green rush, like the gold rush for weed, And they also talked a lot about like all these stupid people come through all the time thinking they're gonna like make all this money growing weed. And like that's who disappears. Yeah, it's a fun a fun ride. It is six episodes, but you know it was not a fun ride. What I tried to force Molly to read
this really good essay. It's a little it's from a little while ago, but um, I recently came across it. I think it was in long form from Outside magaz Seen, written by a woman whose father was lost at sea. He wanted to take a solo trip that he was going from Querto Biarta to the Marquesas, and twenty six days into his solo journey, he lost his mind. Is what they think happened. Either he lost his mind or he was captured by pirates, but he was never found. Um.
And it's a really really great article. Uh. It's by Ali car track cell Um and her dad's boat was the celebration. I think that he even his blog from when he was like kind of maybe before he set off is still online. Um. Scary, you know, I know.
And it's interesting. He was a retired psychologist and part of what's really interesting is her kind of reflection on growing up and the fact that she felt as though he had he kind of like later in life was pretty open about the fact that he had like gone after this like white collar career and had the kids and had the house, and like he always just really
wanted to an adventurer. And so finally he got to an age where he was like, it's now or never, and everyone in his family was kind of like, please don't feel it a solo journey of that length. I don't even know like how far he planned to go, because the whole essages overwhelmed. You have somebody else on board who knows how to do that. Yeah, But I think the whole point for him was that it was like this you know, odyssey that he was gonna like
really test himself. And he started sending the weird text and they're all riddled with misspellings, and they just seemed to be leaping all over the place. Being kidnapped by film company Deep South Black Cult, took over steering ship, disabled, being kidnapped by pirates, and telling you know, sending out s O S signals, telling his family to cancel the s O S signals. In his log he had talked about on previous voyages like how he had hallucinated. So
then I started looking into this more. There's a good Vice article about this guy um named Josh mar She was lost at sea off the coast of Manila for I think fifty two hours, which like in the scheme of things, doesn't seem that long. Like he went through it, it it was really really cold. The tour guide jumped off the ship and went to swim for help and drowned. I guess like his first instinct, Josh's first instinct was to drink a bunch of rum and then was like, oh, no,
what have I done? But he had the like hallucinations he saw like cars and Marina's. He thought that he was approaching a port, so he he like kind of wanted to like jump and swim. He thought it was close enough, and then he would kind of realize there was nothing there. Yeah, I mean, the idea of a psychologist going crazy, it's obviously just scary. I've been watching a lot of Naked and Afraid, as I may have
said on this podcast, yes, which I've been saying. It's like a great show because it's about people that think they'll be good survivalists, and some of them are even very experienced survivalists. And every episode I've watched, they're all like white people with tribal tattoos, and then they get into nature, they are immediately by like day two, they start going crazy. It's amazing because it makes you realize
how fragile well. I think what's interesting about Naked and Afraid, especially when compared with one of my favorite shows, Alone, which I always talk about and still can't convince anyone watch Alone, Well alone as you're alone. That's what I'm scarier than Naked and Afraid, where you have a partner.
I think Alone on one season did something where it was to either family members or close friends or whatever, and they went and then kind of split off for part of it and then got together, and it actually seemed much more difficult than when they were completely isolated, because I think not having a big group of people where you can kind of get a break from someone who's driving you nuts, but you know, just having this one person, especially on Naked and Afraid, where it's a stranger,
a person of the opposite sex and you're naked, adds a layer of like if you get the willies and you just don't like the way someone's relating to you, it probably makes you crazy because you just want to kill the not literally you're such an only child, you're like to be alone in the wood. I would I wouldn't rather be alone on a ship. Although when I think about if you're on a ship for you know, however long twenty days and you're running out a long you've ever been on a ship? Like an hour and
a half? Not long? Have you ever on a cruise? No? Has Emily ever done a cruise? I feel like this has come up. We must know next it's I've attended back in the day when we were working at Grantly, and I felt like there were occasional pr emails of like some kind of em for a cruise. Again, you're like, yeah, yeah, that's how David Foster wall is for that exactly, Like I can get someone to send me on a cruise.
What could go wrong? Everything, everything can go wrong. And then there was the Poop Cruise, the notorious poop Cruise. There have been a lot of really strong someone close to me got very ill on a cruise and then was on the cruise for like several well that's the deal. Several days being very sick and there's like nothing you can do because there's not a real doctor on the ship, is there not? Waited out. I mean there's like a doctor, but like there's not a hospital, Like maybe it's like
a nurse on the ship. Yeah, you're just kind of lanes to be a doctor. Can't go home. Yeah, and but I also I've gotten seasick before. I mean, I'm just I'm a very I'm a fragile flower when it comes to travel. So maybe just the ocean. You're not taken to the ocean. Well, I had no idea how quickly you could lose your mind on a boat. That's what Naked and Afraid makes me feel, like, it's just how quickly you can lose your mind without resources like
water and food. Obviously, Naked and Afraid was was kind of floated with the hook of the people we're gonna end up making out because they were maked Initially when Naked and Afraid that it was heavily implied naked, they're naked, but it's it's cool. De sexualized nudity becomes in those circumstances, or like any circumstances, if everybody's naked, it's just sort
of normal quickly, like at the commune. Man. Yeah, although this is obviously different because it's for a reality so you're naked on t but you also see like that's the thing. Yeah, You're like, is anyone ever going to make out? And it's like no, because like sex goes down the hierarchy of needs so quickly when you haven't eaten, slept, or had any water. And that I guess also would happen on a ship. All you would be thinking about is water. If you can't have water, and there's water
water everywhere, not a drop to drink. I for some reason, I think because we're talking about ship cats not that long ago. Then I was reading about there's like a whole section about maritime fiction and it was like nautical fiction a men's genre written about men, men at the sea. Yeah, And I was like, oh, yeah, that's kind of true if I think about it, like all the books about like the ocean or about men men in the sea.
It's funny because the ocean is so obviously a woman, right, you know, and also like women women like to be at the sea. Look at mo Wanna mo Wanna loves to be in the Did you ever read True Confessions of Charlotte Doyle? Oh you bet, I read? That was the one book that gets mentioned as like nautical fiction about women. So more women on ships, Yeah, more, Well,
I guess that doctors more women doctors on ships. The cardi Ban City Girls Torque video that was like a ship entirely filled with women, and I really enjoyed that aspect of it, especially, Yeah, I go on them. My mom, when she was a kid, went on a lot of cruises and it was the first time she'd ever eaten an avocado was on the crew? Was it like full of shrimp cocktail? Probably all fifties food, being like cruises back then exists in this kind of memories of the cruise.
She thought of it as she also has fun memories of flying because as every person, we have stairs and a piano and everyone was smoking, and I'm like, great was the piano. It was in the piano bar. Your story stares in a piano and everyone was smoking, but everyone was smoking. Thing comes up a lot because mad menois on they would like, it's so true, like people don't know how much everyone was smoking all the time. But I was like, we don't even know because we
grew up in California mostly like I was not. I was, yeah, do you remember being like a child in New York where everybody was smoking inside still. Yes, of course I used to lecture people about smoking when I was a kid, because it was like, I guess that it wasn't newly discovered to be horrible for you, but they were really drumming it into our heads in school, and so I would roll up little scrolls and said like, stop smoking,
it's killing you. Put it in people's cigarette packs. And then eventually one of my parents friends was like, you know your daughters and your daughter's an eco terrorist, and you were like, yeah, I know, yeah, actually the irony um, but yeah. I was really hung up on the idea of stairs on airplanes because I remember being a kid getting on an airplane and being like, where would the stairs go, like up to the airplane, like you go out to know it's like this was a legendary thing.
Who knows the plane in the plane double decker plane. We need a fact check out. Everyone's like, there's stairs. I've taken the stairs up to the of course, burbank. This is an inside out on the tarmac inside stairs, Molly. So it's like a magic like just a giant like yacht in the sky plane and then also just a cruise being glamorous is very funny to think about, but also like that does sound lovely, just like train travel. Oh I love trains. Only way to go, man, I
love trains. I'm praying overflying sponsor. Oh please Amtrak Acela Express. Did you ever take the Acella? Yeah? The time is great. I loved it. What a what a lovely train. My mom, who finds flying a little scary, always has to think of it. She it was a train in the sky, and isn't the trouble in the sky part. Just pretend you're on a train in your mind. It's like you think last about it being in the sky. I'm always saying to people that I think it's going to be
considered so ludicrous. In like ten years, we're going to be telling people about what flying was like now, and they're just gonna refuse to believe that people spent thousands of dollars. You don't think it'll just get worse and worse.
I don't think I can at this point. Granted I'm like an extremely neurotic person, but I I'm so close to just saying I won't do it anymore, because I mean, especially even in the past year, there's every day there's a new report of a horrible thing that happens on a flight, and everyone's just like, you have no option, what are you gonna do? And we're like, yeah, you're right. But I'm starting to think maybe anywhere train travel and also other options, like maybe the Pony Express will come back.
I don't I feel so bad for a horse so far. What if we get robot of courses West World. I'm down with that. Yeah, I could do that Robotic Pony Express, but I want to hear your opinion about the trends in food. Oh yeah, I've been stewing on this. Well, maybe we could take the Robotic Pony Express up to San Francisco sometime and explore other trends and food. I
would love to. I mean, but I'm so the number of people I've lied to in my life being like San Francisco is beautiful and I love it surround it. For so long, I haven't been in northern California except the places I've been to. Never been to Seattle, and you've been there again. It was it was so brief. You've also been to Portland, where I've never been. I really liked going there in the spring for the first time Oregon. Congratulations, I'm so excited. We would like to
traverse all of the western provinces. Yeah, we would The food trends of today and tomorrow, food moods, food. What is your prediction you had a prediction, Well, first you should tell your take about what's going out of style. Okay. I have noticed that every store that is opening and seeming seemingly bustling is a pokey restaurant. Still. I mean, I can't believe it's still going on, but I feel like I passed three of them and it has It's such a specific I feel like the bubble has burst.
I don't know, there's nothing against it, but I can't even believe it went on this long. And every time I see a new one opening, I'm just like, you must you must think too. I feel like it succeeded yogurt as the trend. I think that there was something else before you. Well, I always think of Chippotle falling prey to its own equal. I you know, anything that expands too quickly and suddenly there's a million of them. There's so many pokey places that I can't believe they
all stay in business. I was thinking we'd be at the like they're all being shuttered, and that's what I'm saying. It's talking through. Do you like poke? I used to, but now on principle, I can't. Like there's too much much of it. It's it's weird to see it's well, I think it's it's interesting for it to happen at a time when it's also like over fishing. Is that's what I yeah, it's I mean, it just doesn't seem sound and it's and it also seems dangerous to me
to to just to play roulette. Yeah, to play fish. I love to play fish roulette. I know it's bad, but I just will eat. I'll eat the poke wherever. It's not just fish. It's like a specific that I'm trying to think of something that the specificity is similar to when I'm just coming up with, like cream based soups or something where you could not eat it every day. It's weird when anything becomes super crazy popular, like kale becoming a food trend, biggest scam of the century, because
it's just like greens. It's just chewy spinach. There's nothing magical about It's just like a tough green fine but it's weird for it to be in everything. Yea, it is um and then there's nothing has come in it's wake that has been as much of a sensation as ye except for the hatch Chili it Kelton's. I remember I was working at Trader Joe's when Kale hit, and it was like right before that it was allowed juice
was the big thing. Oh yeah, allow juice. Allow juice is also a very strange I like allow juice on occasion, slippery, it cleans out the inside. Well, it's like it's like a jello shot. But yeah, that was like everybody was buying that, and then all of a sudden it was just like Kale Kale can then never anything else ever again. But we're also coasted into the oat. It's just the oat milk, the Oat milk dynasty. I don't know if the big Oat milk is paying, but it has taken
over all the other milk so quickly. I love when they like shame you with the coffee shop for like not knowing about the new milk yet do they do that. I always get regular milk. I always get the alternative milk. But I remember when it was like places where I ordered swim milk. They'd be like, sorry, we only have almond milk. Milk milk, oh, they they only have boat milk is over ridiculously expensive. I mean it's the same as other alternative milks. I heard that cash you milk
is really good, Cashi milk is pretty good. Nut mikes are bad. They're all bad for the environment because it takes a lot of water to grow grow the nuts. What do you think would be an alternative to the nuts to make milk out of Well, I think about this all the time because I love milk and I'm lactose and tolerant. So if you could drink any if you could drink any kind of regularly, brings me to the food trends, the new food trends. Okay, so I got really in the milk tea, which is uh, the
generic flavor of tea you get with Boba tea. It's been around for a long time. It's not new because I always ordered other flavors of Boba tea. I never thought to order to like the regular flavor. It's essentially kind of like a tie iced tea style, like condensed milk and a lot of sugar and then tea. But it is everywhere. You can get it everywhere. It's like it's having a boom time for sure. There's new Boba tea places opening. I remember the original Boba Wave. I'm
not big into boba's themselves. I don't like the chewy bobas, but the tea Giant care. I've gotten really into the tea. It gets you so spracked. And then I found out that it's basically always vegan because a lot of these places use coconut milk, so like, for example, coconut cream. Yeah, coconut cat so like, because it's really good and it's got really good texture, and coconut cream is probably like not the help. It's definitely not the help. It's Have
you ever bought coconuct so good though? So good? Uh? And it's technically non dairy, So milk tea. Milk tea is my number one. I used to get the Cocoa Lopez, which is the can of coconut cream. It's so good. If you look at the back of the k, you're like, it's just I was just honestly, I was awed by it. I was like, that's pretty impressive. That's not a lot of that, you know what everyone calling a night call. Give us a call if you have thoughts about alternative milks,
old school of milks, or food trends. Our number is two four oh four six night or you can email us at night Call podcast at gmail dot com. Yeah, do you guys like milk tea? I turned to it as alternative to coffee, and then I had to cut back on milk teat because it's too delicious. It's like, very delicious and caffeinated and much cheaper than most coffee. I'm confused because I just wonder why nobody's coming up with like just kind of a particulate matter. They can
lend a creaminess to walk particulate matter. Well, I'm just like, is there nothing that we're throwing away that could be repurposed for making an alternative milk instead of having to grow a lot of I think that's truth about almond milk is that if you made something that was just like water and you colored it white and you were like, it's a new milk drink, it would be fine. I'm kind of like, would it be terrible if it were
made from paper? It's likely the milk, you know, I think that might killing there's paper and a lot of stuff. There is paper and a lot of there's paper is a filler, and like so much food. What about like the husks of corn? What about corn milk? You know when you kind of boil the husks, we like use the corn silk. You use the whole corn. Use the silk where like you know the silk the people just throw away, We turned it into milk. It's silk silk.
There is silk milk. And then are spiders cows or spiders? Yeah? So oh, I feel like there was somebody who was like using spiders to make milk. You could use insects to make milk. You could do it. You could do it. You could do it. Don't are going to take over that weird milk that comes out of plants. Sometimes there's milkweed, milk queen. Now we're tying together our first topic. And some of you call it to be like milk is poisonous. If you drink it, you die. Yeah, it's only good
for butterflies. Butterfly I think it is maybe poisonous. Murder on milk, murder on milk, creed mountain um. The butterflies are are disappearing. It's uh, the other food trend. I don't have the name of the place because I was just walking around in Koreatown and I observed a very long line for a place. It was at California Marketplace, which is um a grocery store, and then there's like a mall on top of it. Have you ever been there? Yes,
it's great. I think it is great. But there was a mall on top of it, like a place that had just opened. And there was like many places that all looked good, but this one place had the line like around the block. So I had to see what it was. Was it? It was corn dogs? Oh? I love corn dogs? Are the new food trend and calling it now? No, it's the thing. It's like, I think a Korean food trend that we are just now getting in America. It is not just dogs. A lot of
it is like a fried cheese stick. Oh, I don't know about I think you might like it. I was going to say, what if it had a like crab cake underneath? A seafood corn dog definitely is a thing. But yeah, check got the corn dog boom nightcall. You heard it here first? Corn dogs are the new poque nice. We're gonna go to San Francisco, and we're gonna get you what I got last time I was there, which is the hottest food trend clam chowder and a bread bowl.
I'm so down, that's my favorite. Thanks for listening this week. We'll be back next week again. If you have anything you'd like to share, we're free jazz pod, so you can call on whatever to four oh four six night
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