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name is Emmily Oshida. I am here not in Rhyme City, but in New York City and with me on the other end of the line in Los Angeles, I have Molly Lambert and Tess Lynch as well as our special guests this week, Dan Hernandez, Hello, Hello, Hello. I'm a super fan of the show, so I'm glad that I made it here. Dan. It's a friend of Nightcall, and he co wrote the movie Detective Pikachu his writing partner

Benji Sammit, coming out everywhere in May May tenth. We are very excited about this movie, so we are very good at to have I am so excited for mostly for the reasons that Ken Wattanabe's name, his character's name in it, is Detective Yoshida, and it's very, very seldom that there's a Yoshida in in fiction, like they almost never pop up just because like one, Japanese names don't pop up this often into for whatever reason that one doesn't.

So I was very excited, and I think in my handle on Twitter was detect detective here for a while out of the celebration, and I appreciated that, um no one was more pump than than I was. When Ken watsonab signed onto the movie because the last the last Sumurai was like, yeah, my college go to a movie with my friend group from college. So whenever anything good happens, we just said they were all They're all perfect. Remember when he when he when he finishes his poem, when

he attains Satri on the battlefield. Yeah, wow, speaking of battlefields, Oh look at that. We're gonna talk about a show called Game of Thrones. And while while we wait for our producers to leave their respective booths, because neither of the watched the episode The Long Night, I think Roy said he can handle Game of Thrones. He just doesn't

want a Venger's spoilers, which spoiler There will be no spoilers. Okay, okay, a movie none of us have seen, but there will be spoilers for Game if their owns if you don't want them now, but say these are spoilers for the episode The Long Night, not whatever episode aired last night, which when you're hearing this, we are still living a week in the past, so um. But it was a big episode. It was a big battle episode, so that's why. But at this point, phobic everyone should have been absorbed

into the monoculture. But there's no be absorbed. I refuse. So this is a long standing thing with Molly back from Girls and Hoodies, that Molly refuses to be wooed by Game of Thron Do not like the show? Be honest, how many episodes of the show if you watched at least five, and I've seen the pilot more than one time.

I think it is boring. And you know, I thought I didn't like medieval things, but now I've gone to the renfair like three years in a row with Jane Murray, friend of the Pod, and it turns out I do like medieval things. I just don't really like Game of Thrones. How do you feel about Lord of the Rings? Also don't like it. I feel like there's too much c g I, and like New Zealand is already very beautiful, and the obsession with like let's make the sun set

perfect every time is insane. Well not to a man's plain to you, but the c g I is actually quite minimal in the load of the rings that use a lot of bigotures and pactrical effects in it. But well, surly kind. Another friend of night Call claimed to me that Game of Thrones was not really a fantasy show. It just has dragons, and the dragons are awesome, but it doesn't does have dragons, Melissander, there's the Lord of Light, there's all of her magic, there's um the White Walkers

obviously called magic. Yeah, magic is exceptional when it happens. Yeah, some people have magic. Yes, some people have people have magic, but when it happens, it's it's it's near miraculous. And by the way, Emily's man's planning voice was sort of just my internal monologue. So I feel a little, well damn comfortable. We have a authority. Dan has read all the books. Oh damn, I've only seen I've only only read one of them. I read the first one and I was like, Okay, I got it. I enjoy watching

it as a show more. But I might go back and read them someday. I don't know. I tend to do the deep dive on anything that I get excited about, so I absorbed them immediately. And you know, it's a sad thing that the last book came out the year that I moved to Los Angeles, which I think was two thousand eleven. So I've been waiting anxiously for the you know, for the last book. But I spent my time on the Wiki of Ice and Fire. I feel

like I'm ready. I'm prepared. But I will say when I got to the show today, uh, there was already tension in the air surrounding and they were already fighting about Game of Thrones when Dan approached us to say, hey, I'm here to do. The point was just that, well, by the way, I love that tests you were on the anti side back to these days, and since then you have crossed over. She crossed over, but she's going to fight with you now about anarist Look, I I

don't I don't hate Gnaris at all. I did say that, in my opinion, Denarius is the least interesting kind of main character. I had to catch up on this show, and it wasn't fun catching up on the show because yeah, well we were talking about muck bangs a minute ago. Like it was like I was like, gotta get through, and she doesn't remember. People are in season one she does. She look bangs that horseheart remember, yeah, okay there, Yeah, I mean it's touched on everything. So it's any kind

of reference that you make to anything. There is probably a Game of Thrones example, I I warmed to it. I don't find that you'd have to be team Denarius or team Santa. Personally, I was saying, only one person can win. You see that. It's not you do have or Team Santa because they can't both. They both don't want the same thing though. It's just act, but one of them is going to have to die. It's a

battle royale. It's not necessarily in last night's episode, which is now you know, many episodes in the past because of the wonders of time traveling podcasting. We'll get to the timeline theories. Yes, but I mean Santa was legitimately hiding in the crypt while Denares was fighting on the dragon. I gotta say Denies dropped the ball a couple of times he was fighting on the dragon. Yeah, she was fighting on the dragon. That happens the first five episodes.

Wait wait wait, she was like you mean she was riding, she was like punching. Although there was some dragon on dragon battle as well could have been better. That was the part of the episode that I liked because it looked the most like a heavy metal album cover, and I was totally this is my ship. I love it. The blue flames coming out of the white dragon. I think all the dragons look cheap. They look like Xena.

It looks like it looks like Dungeons and Dragons, like the cover of like the manuals for Dungeons and Dragons. I love it like Dan is wearing a Dungeons and Dragon shirt. It's so cool. It's like and made out of like Dungeons and Dragons iconography. I think this is my formal Dungeons and Dragon shirt for business opportunity and

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drink without Cheers, so neither should you. With Cheers, You're going to start feeling better when you wake up, and your liver is going to thank you. Nine eighteen nineteen but Molly, you've only watched the first five episodes. You feel it's hard to do of a general I just don't care for sword and Sandal though, But it's not all that there are only sandals once you get to Dorn. And it's true, actually she doesn't even know what dor is.

I have lodged the complaint many times that I don't understand why it takes place in like a British colonialist universe. It doesn't though, it takes place in the whole world, Like there's a place in many different universes. I'm so aware of the man's planning voice. But um, it's based on the historical War of the Roses. Yes, well why not just make something about the historical war dragons. But everybody's right, but everybody is all It's like, well, it's history.

That's why everybody's white. It's like, yeah, but there's dragging. Not everybody's white. And they actually why are they British? They're not all British. They speak in many different languages. And the interesting thing is that it really like now that you have people from one part of the world that have landed in this other part of the world.

It's basically like northern England or Scotland, and they're like from the equivalent of you know, the Middle East, Like there's a tension, like there's a there's a differentness, Like it definitely adjusted. What if you made a show about like real world history instead of like, yeah, they haven't show about real world history where people start being stopping for light about the show about like some people who live in a house in King's Landing. Yeah, that's coming,

I watch it. Well, Well, one thing about last night's episode that like, so I I got, I got completely like carpet bombed, but is I don't know if that's the correct term, but like by Diners fans, because like this show has gotten to the place where people really

identify with these characters, like they are political figures. And I made a joke about dinner Dinners is comparative worthlessness last night and like really really like I woke the dragon as they say, um, and I thought that was fascinating because like last time I was doing anything about the show, like writing about it, I don't feel like the level of discourse was at this level. And in some time in the last couple of years, it's gotten

it's gotten insane uh yeah, yeah. I also got attacked by Game of Thrones fans for suggesting that if they like really tedious, complicated mythologies, they check out local politics as an impartial observe. I'm watching Emily and Molly fight a battle on two fronts last night on Twitter, but I can't help but feel that you, Molly must have known what was about to happen. Was complimenting them. I was saying, it's very impressive you can keep track of

these boring storylines and fake people. Imagine if you applied this uh a breath of paying attention to you can You're the person who always says you can pay attention to more than one thing, you are. I totally and like I have also said, like it's just Game of Thrones, Like I can pay attention to like a boring, hard to explain plotline if it's like on mad Men or some show that I like, you know, I'm like trying

to explain it to somebody. It totally sounds boring, but I care, or like vander pump Rules, I'm like, this person is more important, you know, cares about this person more than they care about them. But I think Game of Thrones fans have. It's just weird how people who like the things that are the most popular get so mad at you for like being like, oh, I don't like this thing that you're like you, how dare you? And the same thing is too with like Marvel Hives.

And that's what's scary about it is I'm just like, what are these movies doing for you? Really? Like? So there's to argument, which is one that like let people like things things, which I think is stupid, Like I think anything can be criticized, and like I don't, I don't, I don't really I'm saying it's like High Life fans don't like attack say like you should die if you didn't see Highlife yet. And I do want to see

High Life. That's the movie. I'm excited about it. But I think it's all like a byproduct of these things were so marginalized for so long because it's culture has been dominant for like the twenty years. It's not marginalized like superhero movies have been the dominant for like everything is for twelve year old boys only. And it's like if you say, like, actually I'm not super that's not

what I'm super into. People are like how dare you not like I don't think less about nerd culture, not like being newly ascendant, because it's not really newly anymore.

But I feel like like it's like you are now able to curate the communities and the people and the taste of the people that you surround yourself with to a t. So when you're like, when you do have an opposing viewpoint across your your awareness, it feels not even opposing water like like some of it's like feels game or gaydy where it's like like, the worst I ever got attacked was for being like, wouldn't it be nice if G t A had a female character once?

And that everybody was like fuck you. Yes, they were like, I hope you get raped and died. I was like, I didn't even I like the games. That's the whole thing I'm saying is that I like the games that I would just once like one of the prostitutes that you like, have an interaction with, to be the main character that I played, because it would be fun and

like do something new with the games here. I will always I will say this about Game of Thrones, and this is like and and maybe maybe if tests or Dan you have differing experiences, like please please chime in. But the reason that I like Game of Thrones, and I think kind of also the reason why people have this very um strong reaction to this is that, like

I I personally, I am a masochist. So when I start watching something like the first episode of Game of Thrones, which makes zero sense to me and I don't know who anybody is or what they're talking about, my instain, if it's at all interesting to me, is to like put myself through it and figure it out and learn who all the dumb little characters are and like look at a map and ship like that's my nerdy Like

I don't like to look at a map. I I totally agree with to get through it though, then it's like, oh, I've I've gone through all of this, I've done all the things, and now it's again. It's like if it's the wire, if it's something I'm interested in, or I'm like, I do want to find out what happens in this world, I just like fundamentally do not want to spend time

in a medieval world because it just seems horrible to me. Well, I think I think there's two things I do agree that nerd culture has been a Senate for a long time. But I also think that what is remarkable about Game of Thrones, at least when it was first written, was that it was such a subversion of what the expectation was that now people feel like they're a part of something. Don't you think the show is not as much of

a subversion as the books are. I think that the first season was pretty shocking to people who weren't familiar with it, and so once you throw a lot of rape in it that wasn't in the book. They were liberal with their rape. To see the trap in the show that wasn't really put me off. On the first season, I was like, I hate this because they always are like, it's medieval times, everybody's getting raped all the times. And again I'm like, there are dragons, you can do whatever

you want in this made up world. This is what you're choosing to show. They definitely lean into that, and that was I think, maybe not, I mean it was it was pretty put me off the show. And again it's like I thought, I just hated medieval stuff, and then I saw Pulver Hooven's flesh and Blood and I was like, no, it's just I guess what I'm trying to say is I think there's like a deeper levels. The Pulver Hoven version is more chilling than what I

like about. What I like about Flesh and Blood is it really leans into how horrible medieval times were, and it's like it doesn't romanticize it in any way. It's just the same thing. It's just like it's a different style. But I think they people want to live in Game of Thrones. I don't want to. I think that people like with the g t A with Game of Thrones.

I think that any time that you get turned onto something that is seemingly like underground, even though in this case it is the least underground thing ever anymore, I think that initial that like vitriolic response is like how dare you attack the thing that like I am cool enough to like fuck you? And I think that that is in anything game or gay comics gate whatever like. So, I I do understand like the fandom of this is is oftentimes really hard to even again, I just feel

like it's Game of Thrones. I don't think it's maybe it's just it's it's Marvel too. It's like anything that's right, But it's these things that are so popular. Again, it's like people who like Succession don't like tweet me, and shit,

if you're like Succession. Most of my involvement with the show that has not been like talking to people online about it, Like it's been watching the show and like looking at this wicky of ice and fire, like I don't like I'm not on the boards for this one, you know, like I find my own enjoyment of it. I've decided to like enjoy the show in my own way, so like it doesn't really matter how fans are talking about. To wrap up this segment, let's talk about who everyone's

voting for, I mean rooting for. Maybe I'm voting for who's a democracy? Who's everybody rooting for in the Game of Thrones to win? Well, I I defer to Emily and Dan. I mean I don't really I'm not rooting for anybody, Like it's not really the competitionship for Sercy. I mean, thank you expectedly et. Okay, so you guys are on the same side we are. I just feel like Denares Denares did find in the battle last night.

That's all I'm saying, is that I can't doctor Nearest for having for ordering her dragon Baby to scorch everybody they all wear on the show. Oh my god. Okay, we're moving on because back in the booth, no more spoiler. You got to know who Dan is voting for. I will do this no spoilers, but I my vote for the Iron Throne is Santa. I think that she is. I want Sansa for Warden of the North. There's like

a VP, it's it's so called. How can you begin? Yeah, it's hard to It's hard to even talk dialogue with you because you know what I'm saying. Like, imagine if people, if you could just is Sansa the Ginger she wanted to ginger? You should like her. She's fantastic. I love It's very dry. If mad Men had maps, would you examine the mad Men maps? Like, oh, don Draper's apartment is I'm not good with maps. Generally maps are a

week kind of just have to be inclined. Like Actually, George R. Martin wrote the first chafter the book and sat down and was like, I need to make a map. No hold up, I need a map. Don't like risk, give me a good map. A map? Fan too, I'm very excited talk about anyway. Okay, the film Event of the Summer. Is there a map of of Rhyme City? Is there a geography? Is it in the Alola regions? It's in its own region, that is not you know,

it's Rhyme City. It's kind of its own unique place. Um, there's not a formal map, although I did draw myself a map when we were in the process of writing, just to kind of keep some of the the very Game of throne s complexity as we were writing. Um. But yes, so the pokey versus not poke a verse is not unlike of Thrones in a way. I mean there are so many like compelling characters from different regions.

Like it's you know, yeah, that's something that are dragon like because there's like the plant creatures and the water creature. There's so many types. It's psychic types. Of course, this is like a Game of Thrones. I would care about with everybody in a Game of Thrones with You're gonna love this movie Forgotten Pokemon us for people who are interested in, um, what's it called? Like taxonomy's less than like geography, and and you definitely more like that more

taxonomy than geography. You really like biospheres, you will love Yeah, we are you love the creb cycle. We are a generation biosphere, we are for sure. So tell us about how, like how you came to be involved with again the film event of the summer at least if Testa's children are to be believed, and they are like my number one Hollywood pundits. At this point, I forgot my Detective Pikachu card at home. My husband was like, please get Dan to sign this and have him just pretend that

he is Pikachu. I was like, I could just sign it and be like, this is Pikachu. Like, no, you won't believe that at all. But yeah, how did this happen? How did this come together? Basically, my partner Benjie Samon and I had done a movie for the people that now run Legendary and when they were in the process of, you know, getting the rights to this movie, and you know, they really were very eager to to to get it rolling out. They were like, who are the biggest nerds

that we know? Put out the call for them. We need them, um, And we kind of were in the right place at the right time, and you know, as it happens, my Pokemon knowledge was, you know, fairly robust. Get to brush up on your Pokemon. I did. I definitely had to brush up. And I mean, you know, the thing is like when we were young, I think

we're all around the same age. You know, there were a hundred and fifty, you know, and then every time that there's a new generation of Pokemon, there's another hundred or so that get added. And so by the time that I'm sitting down to write this movie, there are over eight hundred, and now there's close to a thousand, and so there was a point in the process of writing this movie where I have what's called the Poka decks. It's like the Wiki of Ice and Fire, except in

book form. I have a Pokemon encyclopedia one hand and the keyboard in the other hand. I'm going, gosh, if only there were some kind of bioluminescent mushroom, I don't know, flip the page. Oh well, that's perfect. If only there were some kind of Pokemon that were like a key.

Why would we need a key that That one isn't ultimately in the movie, but you know, there were just anything that you can imagine there is a type and like they've thought about it, and it exists and it has two evolutions, and so it became a process of curation. There's so many of these things. How do you sort of get to which ones are going to be in

the movie or which ones can't even sustain? A movie I saw made the cut Jarsard had to make the cut because that's one of the original Like, O, G, Yeah, that's what I was saying, Wait, did Giggli Puff do it? What's really mean? In the trailer? Jiggli has definitely got an attitude in the trailer. I don't know if I necessarily envisioned that exact thing when we're writing like it, I actually love it. You know. He is a good

super Smash Brothers character to play well. Interestingly, Smash Brothers was like a real entry point for me because I was a little bit older than I think the height of the Pokemon craze, where if I had been two or three years younger, I probably would have really been, you know, deep in it from day one. But because of video games and because of like funnily enough, internet culture, you kind of had to brush up and get to know these different characters. Like Sid Duck is my personal favorite,

Oh by far? Why far? Because side Duck is the premise of side Ark for those you know, He's a little duck that has psychic abilities, and if he gets too stressed out, he has a psychic explosion and could kill everyone. So they constantly have to keep side up, Calm side Uck, calming music. They have to, you know. But for a long time on this forum, I used

to go on all the time something awful. Uh. One of the little emojis that they would use was just sid Duck grabbing his head for that sort of became synonymous with like, what the hell, what the fun is this? And so I always thought it was just so funny, and so one of the first things that when we came on board, we said, sid Duck is clearly the comedic breakout of these of all of these pokemon, why

because he was neurotic to begin with, you know. And so as a comedy writer, I was like, well, we want all the pokemon that like have comedic quirks and stuff. Let's put those guys in the movie right away so that we can actually, you know, kind of build story around them and stuff. So that was my thought process as I approached it. Do you have any of the like super powerful like Archias and Evltall and all those those people. I'm not at liberty to reveal the power

level of the Pokemon you guys know about Archias. Archias is like Pokemon, but it's like God and it has a thousand arms and it created the world and it can destroy it. Veltall Evel Tall is like, correct me if I'm wrong, dam But it's like kind of like the evil Archias who comes and he's like the destroyer.

He's like I was super powerful. I had no idea that this level of like intensity existed within the pokey world, Like there is a there is a cosmology, there is a super turned into Evan Galleon while we were I mean, I would love that. And then there's like Lunala and yeah, you should write the next one. You seem to know what.

I was lobbying heartily for this conversation to include Dick Tracy and Two Framed Roger Rabbit, because those are two of the movies I remember being very excited about as a kid, and I was trying to remember, like, why were we all very excited about Dick Tracy? What a weird thing to be excited about? It wasn't that you read the comics or anything. I did read the comments, and I was a weird nineteen fifties culture consuming read the kid. Yeah, in fact, Tracy is one of my

like I wouldn't say hobbies, but like I'll go deep. Well, I learned that Batman was based on Dick Tracy, that it was like inspired by Dick Tracy, which made so much sense to me because I'm always saying Batman is a cop, and it was like, oh, he literally is

based on Dick Tracy. He is a cop. I mean, if you look at the rogues gallery of Dick Tracy, which is as as good as it gets, you can sort of see where and each of them have sort of like a very like simple like shoulders has large shoulders, the brow has got a big brown faces face, you know, like but it's but it's like very but they're very grotesque in a Wayskin in the movie, it's so gro tesque.

I just bought they just did a Dick Tracy reboot comic that I just bought a copy of Golden Apple because I was like, oh, Dick Tracy, it's in the air. But also it was the first Disney comic book movie. I go pretty deep up on these things, and I have an archive of toys and stuff. So I actually was going to bring you each a mint in box, uh, Steve the Tramp figure, but I couldn't I couldn't find them. But I did bring this. So do you remember this controversy at the time. I have the rest of these

guys in my car. That is amazing. Dan just brought out a Dick Tracy figure. So Molly, this will actually appeal to your interest, which is at the time, there was a big stink because there's this character that is from the comic Steve the Tramp, and he's you know, he's like a homeless bad guy. But they made this figure Steve the Tramp, you know, homeless rights activists and people were like, this is such a negative portrayal. This

is so unacceptable. So this figure at the time, in the like the consumerists, you know, like early nineties, became very valuable and that's why my I bought like five of them in the box. So I was gonna I have for each of you a mint in box Steve the'sing, but it's it's lost. My mom moved from Florida and so she basically shipped me like every I'm like a collector. So I have the stuff in a literally in a tent outside of my house, and I so I will find you these mint in boxy the trimps. They're not

worth that much anymore. I should have sold high well now that Dick tracy Mania is coming back. But yeah, Also, Roger Rabbit seems like a very obvious inspiration for Detective Pikachu. I mean that that was the one that I think Benji and I were thinking about the most. And I think that and by the way, there were other writers who worked on the movie, Nicole Prolman, Derreck Connolly, Rob Letterman,

who also directed the movies. But I do think that all of us, when we decided to really actually try to tell a detective story, we're very aware of Roger Rabbit. And specifically, the things that I like about Roger Rabbit are the internal logic of how the tunes function and that at no point do they once they establish a rule, they are pretty faithful to that. You know, whether it's if the Weasels laugh too much, they die, or the

dip or whatever. It is, like there's an internal logic that is sacro sanct and the way that the tunes think about things, the way that the tune logic functions is really interesting. And so when we're trying to write a scene between you know, the main character of of Pikachu and like a Bulbastre, you're sitting there going like, what does BBS want? What is bulbastres motivation? And by the way, the Pokemon Company had a lot of opinions about this. It wasn't just like do whatever you want.

It was like, no, no, Bulbastours behave in a certain way. How did they behave? You know, there were certain ones where they would say, well, these guys maybe don't team up, you know, like, or these guys are not as strategically minded, or these guys you know exactly. You know it really it really it sounds so it's it was kind of a weird experiment in sitting down and going, Okay, what's the emotional reality? Yeah, well that's why who Frame Rabbit is so yeah, like who framed draw your Rabbit? You

are so invested emotionally in those characters. And that's another thing too, where you're like you're using some things there's original characters, but also when they do go to tune Town. It's like, who do you you decide to show that will flesh out that universe. And I think that movie, by the way, still stands up like Super stands up a lot. And the fact that Eddie Valiant, he takes the tunes very seriously even though he doesn't like them.

He just it is a part of life that is just true to this city and this this version of San Francisco. I think it is like that. I always thought it was Los Angeles, or maybe it is Los Angeles.

I can't, but I remember it's the it's the it's the trolley line that you know, is the whole cruxim there is a real reality to like, Okay, this is a city where if you go to the coffee shop there could be a tune there, and that that's just no one is really that put out by It's also about gentrifying tunes out of tune Town to put the freeway through it. It is very like ellen history centric. It's like there's this great neighborhood that it's right the

historic you know, tune restaurants. Yeah, like we're going to tear it down to put the freeway through it for progress. Also, like the idea of like a self loathing tune is as the villain is ingenious and terrified, terrified. It's a very scared Did you show tested you show your kids who framed Roger Rabbit, they would be so yeah, I was kind of scared of who framed super scared, but that's what makes it good. I would be terrified. They just saw beetle Juice, which scar No. I was never

that afraid of beetle Juice, and they were. They loved it, but they were also like petrified, And I think it's because Beetlejuice is He's never really the bad guy movie, whereas Judge doom Is dips the Little Shoe and was the most traumatic thing that's ever happened. Juice as scary as Judge do. I actually think Beetlejuice is a really utopian portrait of the afterlife, which will get to later. But I was like, they look great. They can sleep in the air, they can just love it, take it

doesn't hurt them. They can push their faces around. How great would that be? I think of a million opportunities a day when I could use It's very reassuring that there is a there is a handbook of the debt. That's what it's like. There's a serious bureaucracy. We all like fantasy bureaucracy. It's true. I love I love, I love a good form. I love a good I love

a good map. That's where Molly and I differ. I guess, but I was just like one of mundane story Like I always say this, but like Jurassic Park, on a day, nothing goes wrong. Yeah, and yet you won't watch terrace House, which is basically you'll love you'll goo lagoon. Right, Hey, folks, if you love true stories about extraordinary life experiences, we think you'll love the Risk podcast. Risk is the show where people tell true stories they never thought they'd dare

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it to each soul? That's uh, that's from Eric again. Thank you, Eric. This is a really good question, and we, you know, we started to get into it. I mean, the Tim Burton Beetlejuice afterlife aesthetic is definitely like a very timeless afterlife aesthetic, at least in the history of cinema. Like that's I think it's extremely realistic as well. Yeah, yeah, it feels like it would be boring. It would be

a song. You have to take a number, you know, and I don't know that you have to go somewhere else. You can stay where you are for a long time, haunting or not. I think it sounds it sounds right to me, but it's not necessarily what I would want from the afterlife. I mean, if this is like what what exactly would be ideal? I might come up with something different. I think my ideal aesthetic would be and this is going to sound horrible when I say it out loud, but just like, bear with me. It would

be something between an airport and a nursing home. But wait,

you have to be old. No, it's just a saying like a kind of like a kind of wide space with like tiled floors in Venetian blinds, and it's always Magic Hour coming through the windows, and they're like, I think it's I think you're just know it's like more like I don't know if you ever follow or like listen to these like vapor wave mixes on YouTube, like and they always choose this sort of like nineties on a ma looped animation of like the inside of a

mall with like a shimmering fountain and like this chill ass jazz plane, Like I know exactly what that's basically that's basically what I'm going for. But I think it would be like a long corridor with like an endless moving walk away and like the sun is always streaming through one side. Like that would be my Is it empty? Yeah? It's mostly empty. I mean it's a quiet it's like peaceful. There's like a fountain. What about you, Dan, what do you think? It's a great question. And I've arrived at

It's Denny's. Didn't you get what are you ordering? It's you it's a Moon's over my Hammy forever. Uh. And I guess if I were the Grim Reaper s character, I would sort of be the sort of like gregarious, avuncular waiter, has people kind of figured out where they were. I think, you know, the CBS here Haven Haven friended me. I think I think I think that's right because I find diners to be sort of a weird liminal space. And of course I know that's you guys very much.

You guys esthetics. So I I think I think Dennis, I agree, because heaven is twenty four hours, Molly, what would yours be? Some sort of green space that's unexpectedly vague. I don't know. I just came back from Oregon. It's like all I can think about is that there are places that have water. You know, it's such a good aesthetic for the afterlife. In fact, I like started to design a D and D campaign around this. One is

in Portland and downtown Portland. There are all these parks that are kind of these constructed cement waterfalls that you can kind of they don't I think sometimes some of them have water going through them and some of them don't, so they're just these like series of steps. But because it's Oregon and like tends to be kind of damp and mossy, like a lot of times it's just these like sort of it feels like the ruins of an American city, like it's just moss covered like every structures. Oh,

I love it makes me feel everything. And okay, here is another medival fantasy thing I like. I love legend of Zelda. Zelda's great and that like es actually the most recent Zelda was really good. Love almost just like making like that like a foresty. Can I tell you mine that we've been of course? Okay, have you guys ever been to one of the restaurants that's like underground

with the aquarium walls? No where, I feel like I went to one maybe at like Epcot that I've been in a restaurant like that that is definitely the Florida. It was totally Florida. Afterlife is the afterlife as well, it's it's a glass bottom submarine. Well, I think it's. I think it's one of it has a weird menu, Like I'm I'm going off the Dennis because I'm like, what if there were no food? There has to be food.

But I'm like, it's all like baked alaska and crab claws and stuff, and then you're just watching like all these fish go by. Yeah, that's pretty good. Actually revolving, any revolving restaurant on any tower where the food is oh yeah, but you go like the Rainbow Room in New York and not that the food is bad. I've never been, but I've been to whatever it's called, like

l A Prime on top of them, Yeah, the Bonaventure. Yeah, I mean it's such a good I mean it's it's incredible, Like you don't care that you're paying twenty dollars for a shitty steak sandwich. It's just like the best vibe in the world that basically feels unchanged from you know, the mid nineties. I love it. My wife went to Dukes and Malibu in a pot of dolphins swam by the giant window, So that sounds pretty good to me. I like yours. The best. I think the afterlife is Malibu.

Fine with that, We'll finally get to live there in the afterlife exactly. I like that before we go out, do we want to chat about our cryptid fascination? Yeah? Yeah. We brought Dan on because in part because I was tweeting about the song Willy Bully by Sam the Sham and the Faris, and Dan, it turns out, is also the world's foremost expert on Willy Bully. Dan take it away. Well, you know, I don't know if I'm the world's foremost expert,

but I will say this a little background. My father was going to lead a cryptozoological expedition into the Everglades to find the Skunk Ape, very very important cryptod Why was this This wasn't just before I was born in a hurricane. They had rented the air boats, you know, they were ready to go. That have the correspondence between the American Cryptozoological Society and my father. Hurricane I believe was Hurricane Hugo blew off the expedition and it was

never mounted. So that's so that's a little background on me. And so when I hear Wooly Bully, I recognize that as a crypto right away. I got two horns and a wooly jaw. What are we talking about here? We're talking about the first squatch song that's ever been been recorded. That's what we're talking about. They were squatching. I thought it was the devil. No, I mean maybe maybe we don't know. It could be a crypted too. I don't

know if the devil falls it. Look, if you saw a bath a mat, it would be kind of similar to maybe like a skunk ape. But I don't think that you would casually have Maddie tell Hattie about a thing which is wait, so let's list all the things that we know about it, though, just like to be sure, Um, two horns that's it, that is possible, or it's woolish like there's some wool like substance that it has as

its coat. Yes, And that its behavior was demonstrable bully ish. Uh, you know that there was some threat to the to the to the creature itself. Now I have gone even deeper on this because in the next verse, Hattie tells Maddie forget it, essentially says forget it, don't be l seven, let's dance. That sounds like a classic Dana Scully. Oh, you didn't see what you thought you saw. Malder. I think that there's there's a lot going on underneath the

wooly Bully. I learned a lot just dance. Yes, you know they don't want you to know about the wooly bull. Sam the sham had a cat named Wooly Bully, also served as the inspiration for the song parent according to Wikipedia. And I mean, yes, just truthers who think it's about a cat. No, it's according to Sam that I also heard people say it was about a wooly mammoth that somebody like sees a wooly mammoth. I think wily mammoth is actually, in some ways a more compelling theory than

even the squatch because of the horns. Well I heard also don't have what I heard from Maddie. It's wooly all over? Is that also there is Maybe it was like when the wily mammoth was discovered or something, there was like maybe a big find in the press, and so it was like a novelty song about a wooly mammoth being found. Really, that is what I heard in my research. I haven't heard that one, but that's awesome. If true because it was to cash in on the

like wooly Man. This is all the same kind of general. Is this a contemporary with the Flying Purple people eater? Like? Was there crip? Actually? It actually? But I had a thought. I had a thought which I'll post to you guys, which is there aren't that many songs about cryptids or that even referenced crypt sank though in yes, yes, the squawk being the most famous cryptid I think in popular have you ever seen a squawks tears? Well? Look at mine? Well, look at mine? We need to make a song about

a cryptid. I think it's what you're saying as mission a song about a crypt Have you guys read The Fearsome Creatures of the Great what is it of the Great lumber Woods or the North lumber There's a book that the squawk comes from, and they have like the ho Dag they have all of the different cryptids from like this particular region that's where Steely Dan got this squawk.

But I have a you can get a copy, but it's like you can only get like the most bootleg copy of this book, like cryptid, because they're so regional too, they can I pose another thing, which is you know that song, the one about Little Talks. It's like, like, listen when you whatever. It's like I was really counting you guys knowing this song. It's it's like Dana Dans Monsters, Yeah, thank you producer Rachel Monsters and men. So that song I thought was very metaphorical. It seemed like she was

talking to like a metaphorical ghost of a past relationship. No, it is literally about a ghost. I found that to be less interesting suddenly, whereas the Wooly Bully, I think is literally about a wooly bully, and I find it more interesting. I agree, it's way more interesting if it's a real wooly bully. Feel like a garage rock song that you don't really know what it's about. It is

like the perfect garage rock song. Yeah. I read that book once about Louie Louis and how there was like an obscenity trial because nobody knew what the lyrics were for sure. But it's also because apparently on the recording of Louie Louis you can hear the drummer y'all fuck when he drops his drumsticks and guess what we just

earned ourselves in explicit rating. Congratulations hot for TV. Well going deep on a song that's sixty years If the drumstick drops at Louie, well, we're blowing the lid off the Wooly Bully. I also didn't know. I like it made sense when I thought about it, but I was like, oh, they're like a Tohano like bar blues band. This is cold case Wooly Bully. Well, thank you so much for being on this week, Dan, I appreciate your inside on everything from crypto pop songs and Game of Thrones. Well,

thank you for having me. I am a huge fan and uh, this has been a real career highlight, So thank you very much. Later we will see you to mount a D and D campaign. Yeah yeah, Now, Emily Ready apparently has one written. I can alter it slightly to be a Detective Pikachu tie in, and then I'm in. I'm reading awesome. Well, everybody goes see, I'm not like you need our reminder, but I go see, Detective you could chew what it is? That? What may tense? Ten?

Oh my god? May third in Japan, Third in Japan. You're in Japan is made. I'm going to the premiere Thursday. Cool nice. See. How did Jiggli puff for us? Yes, I'm hoping there will be some pokey representation on the red carpet um. If you have any thoughts on cryptids or anything else Night related, please give us a call at two four oh four six Night. You can also email us at Night Call Podcast at gmail dot com. Please follow us on social media Nightcall Pod on Twitter,

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