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I did the intro for today's episode somewhat blindly because I know that there is a new hot religion that has taken seed in californ but I don't know all the details of it other than it involves Kanye West and that it is headed for Coachella. All cultural phenomena are eventually, but please tell me everything Molly Sunday Service is expert Molly Lambert logging on. Except what I learned from treating about this is that Kanye fans get really mad if you call it a church. It's an apparently,

They're like, it's not a church. Nobody called it a church. It's just a gathering. But it's a religious gathering. Well, but it is not a church service. There's no pastor. It's just people gathering in an outdoor space in Calabasas somewhere to listen to a gospel choir and Kanye play Kanye songs and like classic R and B songs. Okay, okay. So is Chris Jenner the kind of like puppet Master. I learned about this because I was like, oh, like I saw these blind items. Emily also saw them about

Chris Jenner starting a religion. Then I like into it turns out christ Jenner did start a church. It's different than this. No, she started a church, and I believe twenty fourteen it was twenty fourteen or twenty sixteen that is called uh. I should have looked it up, but it's called something very banal and Christian. It's like the Christian Fellowship Association or something. And it is not yet confirmed that the Kanye Sunday services have anything to do

with Chris Jenner's own, But how could they not. I feel like there's a lot of ways that they could not. Like the Blinded and that I read actually had nothing to do with Chris Jenner. It was hinting that Kanye was starting a church that was going to be like ostensibly, you know, non denominational, just sort of like a gathering, but the end result was that it was like they would literally be worshiping him. That's like it would be

a church. It's like, I want to read it. Have you've seen the if you watch the video, because Okay, so they've been like promoting this. It's clearly like all of a sudden, we're hearing about it because they're information being seated by Chris Jenner for us to find out. But they've been posting videos of like here's Northwest like dancing at church, but they are not at church, but just like dancing at Sunday services or whatever. And they

didn't say specifically where it was. And then they were like, hey, it's this thing Sunday Services. We all just hang out in this rented outdoor space somewhere and we invited all these celebrities such as Orlando Bloom and Katy Perry I believe attended. And you would think that Katy Perry would stay the hell away find given her background. I know, and I think a lot of these people would still be staying away from Kanye given yeah, all the Trump stuff.

For Yeah, if this were like ten years ago and this were like the direction he went, and people would be like, oh, interesting a gospel album. Sure, But because it's now, yeah, it doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't seem like

it's gonna go in a good direction. It's hard for me to look at these things even at this point, because I feel like I do not want to, Like, I just I feel like it's out of respect for Kanye, I need to look away, which is the thing we've kind of talked about, okay, for it has this weird sense of like as like an influencer church, even if it's a small one. For right now, I cannot help but think of like, this is such a nerdy comparison.

But it's like Disney no longer taking movies to comic Con, Like if Hillsong is comic Con, it's like, we'll do our own thing. We'll have all the best properties and people at this thing. It definitely seems like inspired directly by proximity to Hillsong, you know, which also is yeah, yeah, West Value. Everybody went there. Yeah, all the people have gone to Hillsong, which you know is a cult yeah,

and is a Christian called that. How's a lot of the music festival Christianity the sort of like more recent rebranding of Christianity is like Jesus liked to wander in the est and sandals, that's what we're all doing at Coachella. Oh, come on, I don't wear sandals. You don't. It's so hot, the fool's errands so hot. Then again, I wore I wore sandals, Jesus ella and stepped on a chopstick and God, but Jesus, Jesus wouldn't complain. Jesus wouldn't complain. That's true. Stigmata. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

you christ like. I was extremely christ Like the whole time at Coachella, and don't let anyone tell you I wasn't. So this is eventually he's taking the service to like a an outpost or something, or they're doing like a they're doing a pop up pop up at Coachella. But it seems to me like they're recruiting people actively, right, and whether the goal is to recruit people into an actual organization or just to sell them merch like, I guess what's the difference a little bit, but they're definitely

going to sell some merch. Oh, for sure. By all reports, Kanye is rather hurting financially. That's the last I heard when I read anything in depth or even just gossipy about him, was that like all was not well. I mean, I will say also that like when you see the footage of this, because like a lot of Kanye fans again my mentions being like, why are you being so cynical. It's just people celebrating, you know, God and music, Like, don't be a hater. Uh, but it's a little sinister looking,

just because it's like everybody's wearing these white outfits. It's very it's a little culty looking. It looks CULTI exacinitely. Polyphonic Spree was like not that long ago, but I guess everybody's too young to remember that. Wait what happened with the Polyphonic spress cult themed stuff? Oh yeah, the optics. It doesn't seem like the time for Kanye to go in the cult themedh yeah, he has to wait a

little a little while. I mean, I think that he could have done it right after like Ultra Light Beams, like that performance on SNL. I feel like the world was ready for like Kanye to pivot to to being a pastor Jesus makes sense, but he has that. I mean, other people were like, but that was before all this other shit happened, right, yeah, but people were like, he has a lot of the qualities of like a mega

pastor anyway does he? Though he seems very unsure of himself at times, which seems to be not what a

like cult leader needs to have. I mean, I was reminded of because the Pitchfork, you know, they sometimes run reviews of older albums that they didn't have reviewed, and so they had done a review of the second Fiona Apple album, When the Pond, which is like one of my favorite albums of all time, but I've forgotten that that was also one of Kanye's favorite albums of all time, and he said he listened to Fiona Apple because he wanted to be able to rap as if he was

rapping from the top of a mountain. I believe was the quote, WHOA So like this triangle between like uh like being a yeah, yeah, like an evangelical or like like you know that televangelist quality Fiona Apple and Kanye West is like an odd one. But I like trying to put it together, and you're saying something good on Twitter the other day where you were like, Jesus never

had a midlife crisis, Like that's the whole appeal. All right, Well that's because of this Mary Magdalene movie that's that's coming out with Uh with right, you were like you were like, what in Phoenix is too old to play Jesus. Yeah, he's like in his mid forties and he's basically giving the same performance that he gave and you were never really here as like a PTSD he's suffering, uh like hit man who like like it's it's like that's how

the Jesus is presented. I was hoping for, like sportella Jesus. Well it's sort of there. It's a very it's a very slurry Jesus. So yeah, it's it's it's an interesting performance. Jesus is hot now Jesus is cool? Uh? And that that that movie also has a lot of like white gauze and stuff. It's similar, isn't that like what all

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dot com and claim this offer with code Nightcall. Well, speaking of spectacular performances, we have been talking about Siegfried and Roy because Sigfried and Roy's animal handler Chris Lawrence, recently gave an interview to the Hollywood Reporter about what really happened with Manticore? Yike, Emily, you said this was one of your biggest fears. Yeah, so I was sort of surprised to go back and realize that this happened in two thousand and three. This was like fine, you know,

in front of a live audience. Roy Horn was attacked by one of the Tigers during a show, which effectively just shut down the Sigfreedo and Roy Show like they had been, you know, the biggest show in Vegas for most of the nineties. And I swore that this happened when I was younger, because I just remember this giving me nightmares, like just you know, you're hearing the hearing it on the news on television, like it's it's one of the most horrifying things I can imagine being somebody

in the audience watching it happen. Oh yeah, well, he's like Also, there's like a whole lead up that I'd kind of forgotten about where they realized that manticor the tiger is not like doing what he's supposed to do. Yeah. So there's a lot of like Manticre, are you okay, Like say hello, Manticorp. Yeah, and so it's like that awful feeling of being in the audience when something's going wrong and you don't know, nothing bad happens, but this is like the worst thing happened. Yeah, imagine if you

saw that. No, that's what I'm saying. It would scar you forever. And apparently it did scar this guy, Uh, Chris Lawrence, the trainer, the main handler, and so he he hadn't talked to the media for some time, but he's like, you know, he's been diagnosed with PTSD. Understandably, I mean, he was right there on stage as it was happening, and he like feels like he bears this responsibility for how it played out because he had like agreed to have this tiger be used for the show,

even though they had planned on another one. Like it was just like all the stuff that obviously, you know, nobody could have predicted. But he's been blaming himself forever since. And also so there's the investigation that happened afterwards, was it seems shady as hell. They would not take Chris Lawrence's statement, so he said he felt as though he had to kind of clear his conscience. But it's like the brand, the like Siegfried and Roy brand, kind of

remains of just like, you can't blame the animals. It's not the animal's fault. And I guess that there was some people kind of were like, well, maybe Roy was having a stroke and the tiger wanted to Yeah that's history. Yeah, that he was having a stroke on stage. But he did suffer a stroke, but it was after the tiger had punctured his artery and you know, he has suffered a loss of blood from his brain, so he did

have a stroke. But yeah, it feels like the whole thing was just to you know, even if they weren't going to have a show anymore, if they were going to merchandise in it anyway, and they you know, they produced some kids show afterwards about a lion or whatever, like the idea that the lions are our friends needed

to stay intact. You know, big cats are our friends and they won't hurt us, and they've been improperly branded, which you know, uh, it's a nice Yeah, clearly, well Roy also, Roy was like I guess, Siegfried was more the illusionist and Roy was more like the tiger guy. He always claimed like he had never never even faced any aggression from any of the animals and he had

like a psychic bond with them. I mean, this was all like, you know, there was cat dancers in I think two thousand and seven, right, and then you know there's the Sigfreed and Roy thing coming out, and then Grizzly Man. There's like this trifect of Grizzly Man also seven I think too. Yeah, yeah, but like Werner Herdsog voice, like you cannot you cannot tame the cats, cont tame nature,

you cannot tame the cat. Cat dancers in the Sigfreed and Noy story have this sort of like sheen of Vegas showmanship on top of it, which is like the show must go on because we're in the ca dancing business. Well, also cat dancers was like the most interesting love trying, oh my god, ever and that came out that was like packaged with crazy love I remember, which was the love story the scare quotes love story of a couple where the man had blinded the woman by throwing poison

in her face. And those two came out at the same time. And I remember being on HBO. Yes, they were both on HBO and they were I believe interviewed together. Whereas cat Dancers. There's the one remaining right member of the love trying and it's like this guy, the Chris Lawrence, the trainer for Sick Food and Roy like he's obviously traumatized and he had worked with these guys for a few years and worked with these animals for a while.

But like the added like brutality of cat dancers is that the guy and I'm blanking on his name, Uh, the guy who's the main storyteller in the Ron Holliday. Ron Holliday, like he watched not just like people he had been working with, but like literally the two people he loved most in the world get you know, torn apart of it well, so it's also such an unreliable narrator type of thing because he was I think you

could probably feel some jealousy going on from Ron. And so when first the tiger attacked the guy who was like the third person, Chuck, Uh that happened, and then Joy was like so grieved, and I think that that kind of like didn't sit well with Ron. And then you add to that the fact that Joy is death spoilers, we got we got to spoil spoils. I wilso say that like this came up. I had not seen cat Dancers before last week. Oh oh yeah, No, I hadn't seen it because I was talking about the Siga food

and Roy story. And then huge shout out to both Price Peterson and Gideon Yago who both pointed me towards cat Dancers, which I had heard of. I just I think it came out during my dark ages with cable where I just didn't have any like it NMHBO or anything like that. Ended on DVD for some reason, and I would think for all the right reasons, I made a lot of people watch it. Yeah, maybe including tests. Yeah, you definitely told me to watch cat Dancers. And it

took like two seconds into the pitch. I was like, I will, my name is very doesn't tell you that much. It feels in a lot of ways like we're just like litigating the eighties. Finally, is that I was saying, because there's like Michael Jackson mentioned in this and also just all the things You're like, everything is so weird that they're talking about like a magician stage show with tigers on stage that's for children. Michael Jackson used to

just come and hang out with the animals. Apparently, according to the Hollywood Reporter article, like and to the point where the trainers were like annoyed with him, just stay and linger. It's also like Siegfried and Roy were lovers and then just work partners, which makes you wonder. I didn't realize they weren't. I thought that they were still together. No, they broke up. No, because's still taking care of me, taking care. But I think they're still like best friend.

I think they talked about it like they were no longer together romantically, but they were still like life partners. Look, all I want is the Steven Soderberg sigfreedin Roy movie like so badly. Yeah, you said you said that, And then I was like, that is so correct, And then I pitched that it should be Matt Damon and Ben Affleck. Yes, with Ben Affleck as Roy Horn. I feel like this could really mean the rule of a lifetime. Yeah, I think we should make it happen. You guys will start

a seed and spark about it. Yes, Yeah, raise that money,

Steven Soderberg, come on night call. I already told Molly and Emily this, but I do just want to share that I had an encounter with Siegfried and Roy that like haunts me forever, which is that I was going to a cousin's wedding in New York and this would have been like three to four years so it would have been ninety nine or two thousand, and my whole family was staying in this hotel and I was having a guest in my room and I'd lit candles and in the lobby there was a giant like pet carrier

and there was a tiger inside, and then Sigfried and Roy like walked through the lobby and I was like, this is the weirdest day ever. And then at the end of the same day, I accidentally lit a lampshade on fire with a votive candle and it was my most cinematic day. So thank you Sigfried and Roy. Did you that the tiger? Yeah, I saw the tiger. It was a white tiger. And then I fact checked myself before I came here, because I was like, am I sure it was this hotel? Like it seems really weird

that they would allow those in the hotel. And one of the people who worked at the hotel gave an interview and was like, one of the weirdest things I ever did working at this hotel was to watch the tigers from Sigfried and Roy's Tigers in the lobby to make sure nobody approached them. Yeah again, you're just like, okay, so they just let the tigers be in the lobby of a hotel in New York. They were in cages on.

I have no idea. I mean, I would assume that has to be like a publicity thing or something too. It's like they have to get them around. I mean it's weird to think, like, how do you get on a private plane. I don't know, they're four hundred pounds. Look, let's just get to the point. It's not the tiger's fault. It's never it's never the animal's fault. But it is like, maybe you have to be an insane person to be like you have to have a little bit of a death wish to work with big cats like that. So

no way. I don't know though, It's like I think you can just brainwash yourself into thinking that you're somehow a like special person. It is not. Well I do that with my small cat, yes, so you know, yeah, I mean I think everyone does that with animals. We should go to Tippy Hudron's big cat preserved. Oh my god, I don't think it's Now's not the time. After talking about this, I'm just like, let them be like face death by like looking it in the eye across the

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I think it's I think it's l I don't know, and I'm glad someone else said it. Here's what I have to say about nine and a half weeks An Airport the best movie we've watched. It is so good. I mean, Fatal Attraction will always be really loyal to. But this came very close to toppling it. I was I had low, low, low expectations. I'd never seen you

never seen it. No, I don't see why. No. I went through a period when I had a lot of time when I watched all the erotic film It was right when you could first watch movies on the internet, right, oh oh yeah. And I was just like, oh, I'm going to watch every movie I ever wanted to watch the uncut version, or that's what I was about to ask you, guys. I have no idea. I watched whatever was on the it's on iTunes, it's fifteen dollars. I was like it was a horrible moment. I sat there

for like five minutes, being like, I don't know. Fourteen dollars you did it? No, I didn't. I didn't end up doing it like I might buy it just to sadly, I'm right behind you. I do it too. I'm going to watch this movie again. It is so good. Like I feel foolish for not having seen it now, but I also feel like maybe I needed to be I needed to wait till this moment in my life to see it. It contains volumes. I think it's like a fascinating film and I could probably talk about it for

two hours. This no me too. We have to get through everything, like we've already had text chains and everything about this. But let's for the uninitiated. This movie came out in nineteen eighty six. It stars Kim Basinger as Elizabeth Mickey Rourke, which, by the way, I have never in my life been like Mickey Yorkey. I've never seen a Mickey Rourke movie from from a while, No I had this. I have to say, I was like Diners, not even drawn in He's hot and Diner. But there's

something specially going on with Mickey Rourke. Margaret Whitten plays Molly Tony, Soprano's lawyer is in this movie ordering a hot water with lemon and sweet and low in like one of an early scene that I was like, I like this movie. It's a very weird movie. Christine Baranski has like one line and she puts a spoon on

her nose and everyone laughs and that's it. And it also stars Karen Young, who I did not know who this woman was, but I knew she was in something else I loved, and she was the FBI agent in the Sopranos who plays a capital role. That's such an amazing call because I did not see that. And as soon as you said that on the text chain, I was like, oh my god, it was gonna make me insane. I was like, Emily introduced an idea, which is the Bingo,

the Eurotic thriller bing. Yeah. Based on our observations thus far, we have a long list. I can go through the ones I have written down because I started to write them down while I was watching this as they occurred to me. But okay, so we have house Boat, which this movie has a house boat. Check it's not his only residence in fact, it's like a friend's house, but it's the first place that he takes her to, So it's like subduction via houseboat, which very much fits into

the genre. Venetian blinds. Of course, uh, future Stars of the Sopranos, Cocaine, an art gallery separately, an art collector, opera, music, sex tapes, sex on stairs or elevators, the Pacific Northwest, and exhibitionism. Spaghetti dinners with red wine. Spaghetti dinner. Yes, garter belts, which I swear to god, I was like, no one wore garter belts except in these movies in the eighties, like everyone there a lot of garter belts in music videos. Also in the eighties, everyone was just

wearing legs with two g's. They came in the egg. Everybody was like a leg person in the eighties. Leg I'm a leg man. I made the eighties. That's legs. No, you're a There's like so many videos that involved just like high heels and like socks. You know that that was such a big thing in the eighties that I'm still like the height of sexiness high heels with philly socks. I also just like the weird ging is gleeking, No I didn't know what gleeking was, and during the spaghetti dinner,

I was like, did he just gleek at her? Like this is the whole movie was so funny. We squirt saliva through your TeV something only some people can do, but they can gleek, roy Our producer saying he can gleek, you can gleek, right, thing I just learned last week about gleeking And I was like what And then I was like, I just caught an accident gleek with that spaghetti. They have sex on stairs in this in this movie, uh, when they are underground in this sewer, like basically in

a sewer. Well before we saw it, I was it was again like like he hand the rocks of Cradle, where I was like, is this an erotic thriller? Because I knew that it was like a drama and it's essentially like I was thinking of it as like the prototypical fifty shades of gray, like it's just the story of a love affair. I didn't know how nobody Dollar Aspect would beat it. But it is extremely tends to watch an extreme like I was nervous while watching a

lot of this because it is they use horror music. Yes, I mean the horror music will come on like during a sex scene and you're like, holy shit. And he also on the houseboat, he's like no one can hear you scream, and he talks at this low register and he's always smiling, always smirking. You know. One of the like early scenes where I was like, everyone's gonna die. He puts her on a ferrisviel by herself. He has a guy like cranker to the top of the ferris wheel.

And then I was like, ah, I'm leaving goodbye, And I was like I can't believe she's gonna stay, Like, how is there a more movie? Unless he like puts her in a basement. She's into it. She's into it.

That reminds me of like The Bachelor or anything where they like have to jump off of a cliff together and like the girl is like always genuinely terrified and screaming and sometimes a guy too, and then like, but that's what like, that's like a psychologically proven thing that will draw people together because it's like, oh my god, we went through this intense thing together, or like I went through this intense thing with you, and now I feel like that much more of a bond, even if

it's not necessarily a positive bond. Yeah no, this it introduces the s and m that will come into play. Yeah matter. So like this movie is basically just like John Gray. Is that his name? Yes, John Gray. I mean it's like meant to be the most anonymous name and like definitely a precursor to Christian Gray as well. But like he's just this like a Wall Street guy who meets Elizabeth who works at an art gallery when they're in Chinatown, and then instant spark. He had to

have her type things. They go out, what did they do on They go for a drink like a Polish restaurant or something. It starts as a normal Relationshi. Yeah, it's very cute. It's like a very then it's weird. Yeah yeah, but it's like it gets really weird. Well. The other thing that this movie has in its favorite is just that it's like so gorgeous. It's one of the prettiest New York movies I've ever seen, on top

of all the bizarre sex that's happening. Like yeah, all these movies make me realize why it's just like everyone lived in eighties New York. Yeah, and too. It's a wonderful touch. Also that all the intertitle fonts are Woody Allen font but in like six fact he read also shout out to using roxy music really well in this movie. I was like, ooh, it is eighties New York. It's like,

here's what I learned about this movie too. It was a bomb yeah in America, and then it became a big hit internationally in the uncut vers unedited yeah cut version, because the Europeans love the softcore. So, like the arc of this movie is basically like he starts introducing this weird, sort of dominant and also kind of unconventional. His tastes

are unconventional, like element into the relationship. She's like continually and sort of like I don't know place, and then goes along with it, and it keeps going like further and further. She gets like more and more spacey at her job. She thinks she's being hypnotized by the watch he gives her, and then it kind of hits this point.

I feel like the breaking point is the like crawl on your knees from any point, which is like so alarming, even after all this other stuff, because some of the stuff I genuinely think is sort of amazing, like like sending her men's clothing to dress up and a mustache. It's so, it was great. It's great, and it's and then that culminates in like the best sex scene of the entire movie as well, I think, which is the which is the underground source. But because she's like, I

just want to be one of the guys. And then he like takes her out for a drink and like talks about her as if he's like another guy, like locker room talk or something. And then they go and like get in a fight in a street fight. Okay, but you're gay, people think, and then yeah, and then she stabs the people in the stabs him, but then they like backs to celebrate. It's so weird. It is so weird that I mean it is. It's a very

confusing reaction that the opera kind of. I mean, he is very much like I don't want to meet your friends, even a sewer. You can only belong sewer. It's the Phantom of the Opera. But he's also Patrick Bateman and Emily and I both had this thought. And there's this part where he like when he first brings her. I don't. I think it's when he first brings her to his apartment, but it may actually be on the house boat and

he goes, do you like music? And then he's like Billie Holiday and he puts on strange fruit and it's like, what weird? And I was just picturing Breddystonellis like watching this movie and being like, the logical conclusion is that he's like a PSYCHOA Bertie ston Ellis is probably watching it and being like, this is the coolest guy. Yeah, that's it. Then he takes her back to his apartment where he has like the six TVs, which is totally like I associate with like less than zero again, well,

American Psycho. The movie is so good because it parodies all of the stuff that's a balance also sell the remove of being made in the late nineties, so you have that kind of fifteen year at least fan peak of like Wall Street extreme. Yeah, made by a woman, Yeah,

made by a woman in the nineties. But yeah, this is definitely all the stuff that I thought was like grown and sexy when you first because that's like when we were kids in the eighties, We're like, this is what grown ups were like they wear suits and have Venetian blinds. They go to art gallery and eat caviar and then have sex and a sewer after an elaborate fantasy role play. Okay, well, speaking of the sex scenes, can we talk about the fridge. Yeah, the fridge scene,

that's like an upsetting scene for me. It was it was so funny and like over the and it was parodied like every year. Well, I mean, I've seen like three different parodies of this, but you don't need to parody it because it's its own parody. And the funniest thing is that he like cracks an egg and then slices with an egg slicer a hard boiled egg, as if he's just like hard boiled with his mind. And then he gives her like seventy different kinds of cherries.

He's like, here's a real cherry, here's Maraschino cherries, here's some cherry liquor. He's like, I and meanwhile, you're looking into her fridge at all you see is like half a watermelon, and the thing is open for so long it's insane, exactly like the electricity bills. They all kiss for a really long time. He's just feeding her. He feeds her. He starts off with the marichino cherry. Then I think he goes to strawberries and cherry tomatoes, and then he gives her a hall of panio. Then he

yeses her. It's her breaths and he's so weird. No, she gives her the pepper and then he dumps milk into her mouth and then he like, but they I don't think they kiss until after he's like squirted honey all over her. And the only thing I could think of is, like, right before this scene, you see the cat come in. She has a cat, and like he's gonna get covered in honey. Like she's on the floor, which is probably disgusting, and she's covered in honey and

he's like licking it off. Thinking about it. I do love the shot where the cat like just walks out, like sees himself out around the cats go in the bingo. I feel like there's some cats, Yeah, there's been some good cats. Well, there's only a bunny and a dog. I believe in fatal attractions, so we can't check that. But there has to be the domesticated animal because these are all there, you know, the domestic domesticating a human kind of thing. I was very interested to read about

the book that this is based off of. Also, there's a really interesting article about Ingeborg Day, who is the author of the book. She she published it sudonamously. It's called Nine and a half Weeks, and she published it in the name of the character Elizabeth something, but now her name is out there. But there's a twenty twelve New Yorker article by Sarah Wineman about she also wrote a memoir under her own name about the fact she'd grown up with her dad was a Nazi and she's

just been trying to reckon with this her entire life. Yeah. Yeah, And then she also had this, you know, this memoir of this you know, sado masochistic affair that like seems to have really upset her and like permanently altered her life. Well, because it was so much worse than what happened in the adaptation, because if this had been adapted truthfully, you

would have been like noping out of there. Interesting thing about it to me, though, it was like all the stuff about Nickey Rourke's version of this guy being this sort of domesticated man, like he's like I want to take care of you. I want to cook for you and feed you and like lay out your clothes in the morning like a housewife. Basically. Yeah, then I want to like dominate you at night, which but also I

won't meet your friends, right, Yeah, it's very like pretty woman. Also, it's like we can do all this weird ship, but we can't kiss on the mouth because that's too intimate. Right. It's so much more interesting than just being a straight up like fantasy like erotica type thing, because it's such a mind fuck to have this guy who's like both at acting out. Like I was saying to Tessa, I was just like, it's like he read that porn for women book or something, and he's like, oh, yes, I

shall be this for her. But it's like super super disturbed. I don't mean to say that, like BDSM relationships are are disturbed in some way, but clearly this guy has some issues. Wow. And there's a lot of stuff that's like on the border of consensual in this Like yeah, that's sort of why the whole thing feels so tense, because you're just like, is she into it or is she not? I need to know whether she's into this.

Or not. And her performance is great because there are times when you are very surprised, especially at the end. I think you can by her. Yeah, she rules. She's so good in this Yeah. Also, though, what's interesting about the memoir Nine and a half Weeks is that Ingborg Day worked at Miss magazine. Yeah, and then she she left because this affair drove her to have a nervous breakdown.

And actually the guy she was having the affair with dropped her off and a mental asylum and then was like peace out on gone and she was there for

months and months. But what's really interesting about this movie and all of the movies on our Erotic Odyssey, I think is that part of the real tension is that, you know, Elizabeth seems to like love her job so much, and her affair with John makes it impossible for her to be able to be on task at work, to the point where like as a weird like sea plot, she ends up like finding an artist who is maybe suffering from dementia and because she's like it's also yeah,

it's so weird, yeah, where she's just like come to this gallery opening and everyone's like he's so weird. And then she feels like she's kind of like dropped the ball and like really harmed someone, and that kind of contributes.

But it's interesting because all of the erotic thrillers that we've watched from the eighties and early nineties kind of deal with like a woman feeling well, just like a woman who's like chasing her career or like balancing the like her like sex life or her family life with her career, and like he's just like money corrupting her. Well that's wants her to be, yeah, exactly, it's like capitalism.

So this scene that takes place after they hit like they go like they have this huge fight because she he like brings a third without her consent to the like to the Chelsea hotel. He like has a sex worker who comes and meets them there and she wasn't okay with it, and then like they run into like they like they basically have this traumatic like fight slash, like they make out at this sex show and Times Square.

It's just like horrifying and like real like her performance and it is like totally like it's I don't know,

she's so so so good in it. But then she has to go from that to this opening and it's like when she's in this completely emotionally you know rot place, and then she sees, you know, this artist who's just sort of lost at this gallery full of these like yuppies and like New York art people and stuff, and he's just like this kind of older man who apparently like lives upstate or lives in the country or something, and they both kind of meet eyes and like that

really I thought that, like I kind of I started crying, like I like tear it after in that because like it's so good for me. It was like it wasn't just that she had like neglected her job. It was like as much as she had kind of like co opted this guy to be a part of like this New York art scener whatever, like her being a part of this New York art scene or being like a creative class person was co opted by this guy just

for his like amusement. It's just like this like Turtles all the way down type thing and like realizing that you're a part of this system and it feels like this origin story for like the next twenty years of New York development, and like all the artists and creative people being pushed on and everything too because it's like she has an art gallery where it's like she's part of the problem, but she doesn't even know it. Probably, Yeah, what a great movie, Agian. Whatever they are, they're all

kind of about. Faithful is also a like tremendously sexy movie. Yeah, they're all about like sex taking over your life to the point of mania where you like can't accomplish anything else,

which is like a good thing for movies to Yeah. Yeah, and I feel like he really like he respects the characters enough and like clearly respects the actors enough to get these incredible performances out of them, so that like when you do have what otherwise would feel like a completely unner and sex scene or just like gratuitous, like you're totally in it by that point you're like, yeah, yeah, they're good doing it in the clock and things can have know and like something that has like like the

sex scenes only are going to be good if you're like interested in the character exactly. The characters are so much more interesting than in Jade Her Body of Evidence for that. It's like and they're a quirky and whimsical and there's like some like weird like I was like, is she basing this off of Annie Hall or is that the hat and the coats? But there's a like I'm carrying all these balloons and laughing at everything. Are they run the levels on Coachy Island like board walk?

I want to go to that New York right. Well. Also what's interesting is so I didn't realize that Kim Basinger like had a horrible bout of agoraphobia where she didn't leave her house for like months. I guess because she was she just like couldn't handle it. But it's also a really good, uh view into living in New York when there's like it just it it's such a weird snapshot of eating New York. And I kind of remember from like being a kid of just like there

was like lots of yelling. Nobody was like on their phone. I sound so old. There's nobody was on their phone. So they were hitting cabs all the time. Yuppies. But you still have the Times Square sex shows, right, but still genuinely downtown, like yes, yeah, but it feels like this like very chaotic, like over overly like sensory kind

of experience. And then his apartment is so sterile and so quiet and so calm, and he brings her there and won't let her leave, and it's almost like he's kind of like shielding and protecting her and like almost depriving her from like any sensory stuff. Yeah. Well right, it's also just like what you yeah, like this the site is gonna win, Like yeah, you know, just that thing of like I'm taking care of you. But like maybe you don't realize, like you don't want it. It's

about it. But she did want it, but then she did not to do a psycho val on Kim Basinger, but then she did marry Alec Baldwin, who seems very controlling, you think, Yeah, I mean again, like I feel like all these movies are just like they're such good roles for women. Yeah what I'm like, Oh, look at all these great actresses who got undervalued because they were also like good sex symbols like Kim basing her back into mourning.

I think about like somebody's internal sensual and romantic interior, Like it's not so much more interesting than just being like pretty women where it's like yeah, like I was paid for it, and that's how it got in this crazy situation. It's like she wanted something. She clearly wanted this, and like having a character who wants something and is like interested in a certain kind of like unconventional affair is really interesting and it's like very dramatically compelling on screen.

But all anyone talks about is the food stuff because you have we should rank all of all of the sex scenes in this. For the first half of it, I was like, are there not going to be that many sex scenes other than like this crazy food scene that's happened. And then I really I thought that the ice Cube sex scene and the Sewer sex scene were really up there for me. Yeah, ice Cube is the

first one. It's it's pretty good. Yeah, I mean the only thing that kind of ruins ice Cube one for me is that he's like smiling through the He's smiling through the whole movie though. That's one of the weird things where you're like this, So there's that one. The Sewer one is good, There's the the one that goes away at the Chelsea Hotel, which is not so fun. Let's push that down the list. Yeah, and then uh,

clock tower, clock tower is really good. The clock is that the same one as you can leave your hat on or do they just one that's like her doing for him? That was like too goofy. Yeah, I was like, way too different. Music could have made this work, I feel like, but yeah it was. It was a little silly. You guys don't put you can leave your hat on to sex times. It's just a no answered such a fast song. Again, in the eighties, I feel like people were constantly putting on a man's shirt and hat to

a strip tease, right, and a mustache everyone did. Everyone did the mustache. The fact that he didn't peel off the mustache for so long it was like, oh choice again, this movie full of surprises. I liked the selection of hotels as well, like Algonquin for the boy date and then and then Chelsea for the like nonccessual threesome. There

are all these different moods and spaces set and setting. Yeah, and he he was like, oh, I used to like live in hotels all my life or something like right, yeah, you become obsessed with finding out anything about him, because that's the whole thing is you won't tell her anything about it, which is interesting because like then you watch fifty Shades of Gray and you're like, I don't care what his deal is whatever his deala is. I don't care. I mean, it's it's so it's so like sanitized compared

to this movie. They didn't have sex any sewers as far as I know, in Fifty Shades of Gray or any of any of that franchise. Well, the whole premise of Fifty Shades of Gray and not to knock it because it has a place in our culture and I don't, I don't, I don't deny its importance and something yeah I saw, yeah, but like the premise of it is what if a rich, hot guy was into you and like why not fuck you expensively? Like I wanted to

spend a lot of money on things. But that first movie, that first fifty Shades of Gray movie, is good because it does also go with the downer ending where it's like she's getting her agency taken away from herself and she's like actually about yeah, actually I can't do this. Yeah, I guess. Well, all Finndomb stuff is sort of like the other way around now, like right, like like men who want to be dominated by women, right, do you

know what I'm talking about? You're talking about how yeah, yeah, yeah, if anybody wants to be finndombed by night calls. I don't think we have the resources to find any but we did. We sure knew he was to know we

just as people send you money. But like the idea heterosexuality is all about being phantom, draw attention to the fact that there's like a transactional nature which were money there on sort of a under the surface level at first, and then I think it really becomes explicit once he starts, like the bed scene when they buy the bed. I laughed out loud when he they like buy a bed. I was I was kind of confused as to what

was even going on. But there's a whole, very long conversation with him and this bed saleswoman where they're like customizing the mattress and like picking out the ticking for the mattress ticking what is dicking? And then and then he's like, can my lady friend lie on on the bed.

It's it's like it's another absurd scene. I think it's and it's a long, really long, but there's it's part of this whole sequence where he's buying stuff for her, like he buys her like yuppie clothes, and he buys her like a writing crop and stuff and like all this stuff and that that is like more centralized than something like Fifty Shades of Gray, where it's like, cool, we're going to go sex shopping. This is like after they're kind of really in the throes of the relationship,

but that definitely exists there. And then like obviously, once the money starts to become more and more explicitly a part of the relationship from the point where he's making her crawl across the room for it, then that feels like everybody gets a little bummed out. He also makes her steal, which is like, I guess that that has its place, but I was like, don't steal. That's apparently she knows. I have a hang up about that. No, I know, I'm agree, I agree, but I think I

saw that in the book. That's like, yeah, that's a big part of it. That was real life that he like it escalated into like now we're going to feeling and mugging someone, Like, yeah, it escalated into crime, which is what it kind of feels like it might in this movie. Yeah, but it is interesting because it is like, hey, you know, when you're first dating somebody for the first ten weeks and they might be a serial killer, right, Yeah, sure, they're either just doing nice things for you or it's

because like it's a lead up to they're gonna kill you. Yes, and this movie really captures that and that's exciting. What an exciting time. If you have thoughts on nine and a half weeks or on anything else, give us a call at two four oh four six night. You can also drop us an email at Night Call Podcast at gmail dot com, and you can follow us on social media. Night Call Podcast on Facebook and Instagram, Night Call Pod on Twitter. We're going to continue our erotic odyssey until

we run out of erotic thrillers. Yeah. If you have any suggestions, yes, we've been enjoying getting the suggestions. That's where some of these have come from, so please keep sending them. I heard another request for Jagged Edge. Okay, we'll do jagged Edge. I'm a friend of the pod Karina Longworth. So Karina, we will do jagget Edge for you. Perfect, let's do it on Yes, Karina has to come on the pot see y'all next week. That's it. It's my bye bye bye. Okay,