Free Massage with Richard Rushfield

information about you. I mean, I do want to mention. As I mentioned to Molly, and this was news to her that Richard, you were a producer on one of my favorite shows of all time, the only, the only resume, Adam I have that anyone wants to talk about so exciting, which means that you are. I am now one degree of separation from Roger Lodge. You are Roger Lodge. We were, We were close for two and a half months. I feel like a whole separate episode just about Richard's experiences

on Blind Date. She signed an n D. A is with his face is telling me right, No, I'll tell somebody did some kind of tell all about being on um Blind Date recently? Is that what the show was? They're rebooting it right now. The new Blind Date is being filmed right The old Blind Date was the best. It's a timeless format. Yeah. It was the pop up

video of love. I saw it being filmed once in Venice Beach and they the couple had run into the ocean naked together, and I asked the PA how it was going, and he was like, well, she took her shirt off. That's as good as it can get. It was a different time. It was a different time. I'll just did so. I had this job as a producer on Blind Date, where my job was to watch people on dates and make fun of them. Uh. And I sat there the entire time saying like, I'm an artist,

I'm a group. It's not even my own name on this I and people think they could rewrite my jokes. And I was just cranky and crotchety. And I walked away from that job to to return to journalism, and about two seconds out the door, I said, what the what the hell have I do? Don't ever any time your principals tell you you need to walk out a place just just just take a few nights to sleep on that. So you had a diva attack on Blind Date.

I left Blind Date after one season. Did you go to the l a times after Blind Date or no? I went to be a freelance freelance journalist. And we all made choice to go into journalism. I didn't make the choice. We didn't make my choice, I maintained my narratives. I never made the choice. The choice made me. I maintained that too. I agree, I got out. I wasn't

trying to get into journalism. I just accidentally did, and we all, you know what, it's an important thing that people should do, and but advised a millennial, not anything that I do. If I was if I was doing hard hitting reporting about like the city or or housing in Los Angeles or something like that, I would I would be like, you know what, I can't take myself away hitting work. There's movie criticism is is useful in

its own way. There are things. My feeling about the Internet was always like people are bored at work, and they like having like a little thing to read that gives them like a little vacation in their mind from how bored they are at work being on their computer. Then that became the entire internet, Like that became the model of the Internet. Exactly. Bring back narrative, long form programming like blind Date. Yes, exactly, the important stuff, the

cultural touchstones. Yeah. Wait. Richard also wrote the book on American Idol, The Untold Story. So now I've done. But I just have to say, like Richard is, that's how Richard and I met. Richard and I met while we were in the trenches of idol coverage circa or so um. And it was around the time the book came about. Yeah, it wasn't It was not prime idol time. It's true, it was. It was the kind of gold on Golden Pond. It was like the Philip Philip Phillips era. Didn't you

like Philip Phillips, very charismatic, young gentleman a name. Absolutely, Wait, that's a good that's the best look. And Emily, do either of you still watch American Idol if you want to come and hate a topic, write a book about it. Spent a year where with nothing but American Idol in

my life. I don't think I've watched the whole episode that feeling, for sure, smoke the whole pack exactly after that, we want to take just a moment to do a night call emotional well being check in, uh, because it's been a really awful week, month, year, just you know,

especially feels bad. So we wanted to say that, like, we would also like this podcast to serve as a place where people feel like it can be a nice bubble bath away from reality, but we also acknowledge that reality sucks right now, and we hope that in between listening to us talk about ghost hunting, you are making the calls you need to make, both to your representatives and also to the loved ones in your life that might need you right now, and just generally taking care

of yourself and the people in your life because and taking it offline is the thing we've all been talking about a lot group about this is that you gotta you know, it's it's fine to be frustrated on the internet, but ultimately that has to lead to action in real life and go in to real places. And definitely feels like things will have to happen if other things happen

right now, I won't go any further than that. Also, the week between when we record and when we post is um has has been, I think on all of our minds because they're you know, from week to weeks it's years and years and years of garbage news unfolding. Um, but we're recording on Monday, and uh, this is the you know, we just had the weekend following the Kavanaugh testimony. So yeah, if you are having, as they say, big feelings, we hope that you're taking care of yourself and we

are here to listen. Uh, the world is going to be so much worse by the time that's post. You what, I know, it's really or or well take some buildings over. My feeling is like all the people who came out to the Women's March, like, now is the time to come back out and you know, maybe blog off some freeways and stuff because society shouldn't function if Kabanagh gets yeah agree, you know. Um, so that is our that is our night call, emotional well being check in and

now we'll get back to the demon stories. Yeah. So we wanted to have Richard on not only because he's a great friend and um, a good talker about all things and worked on blind Date, but also because I feel like Richard has seen and had more paranormal and our ghost related experiences than maybe anybody else I know. And it just seemed so like such a no brainer. Last time I was in l A, we kind of got to talking about some of his experiences and I was like, what, you just have to come on the

show and tell everybody I've lived a rich paranormal life. Yeah, it's it feels like you won the ghost lottery. Well, I'll just keep coming to you, Okay, It's kind of seek and you shall find. Uh. It's I I went through a long period where it's very interested in ghosts and pretty much asked every person I met everywhere, have you ever seen a ghost? Or or or alie. I was open to alien stories also, and you have phoe stories. Uh. And if you ask everybody you meet, you'll get and uh.

And I was young, so I was still going out and meeting people at encountering people in my life. Uh, you'll you get a lot of good stories. And I think you also open yourself up to a to an extra dimensional experience in other ways that that I'm probably not very there. There might be ghost tapping me on the shoulder all the time right now and and and I'm just missing them. But it's been a long time when you've opened your heart up as a seeker. In

other words, exactly without without judgment. I feel like we don't have enough time to go overall, which is really saying something like that's impressive in and of itself. But we had a few that we definitely wanted to hear from you. Maybe in ascending order of spookiness, maybe we can get some spooky sound effects under this. Yeah, I didn't bring my own. Well, shall we start with the inappropriate ghost this? This this is a pretty straight forward

ghost story. But I was back in my college days. I went to school in western Massachusetts and at Smith College, which was a neighboring school, there was a house that was a pre revolutionary house, and every woman that lived there had had some sort of experience. Um, they saw things fly across the room, they heard their names, said, I do. Two roommates that woke up in the middle of the night and saw this man standing standing between their bed looking down at them. My experience in the

house wasn't as dramatic as that. I stayed one night in the guest room of of this house, and all of a sudden, the middle of the night, I woke up with a start, and just as I woke up, the door to the room creaks open, just doesn't doesn't just open, a type of opens up all the way and then I feel on my back with the pressure of a hand ice cold fingers slowly runned down. Uh my, my entire spine, all the way all the way down to the base. Yes, and no one was there, no one,

did you hear it was? It was about three or three in the morning. My, it was a very cold night. My house was about two or three miles away, and I got up and walked home through the snow those two or three miles. I'm not the person that stays in the Amityville house after Yeah, um, what does it mean? What's the significance? I can't say, But yeah, what do you think they were trying to tell you? You said? You said it was a desirous BackRub, lascivious intent. Was

my takeaway? That that was? That was how it felt to me. It was. It did not feel like a like a kind of just friendly pat on the back, you feel violated. It was aub throwing, paranormal, creepy back rub. And see how see how you like that? Well? You know, I could be like if some person might be into it, they might be like, oh, a free BackRub, um, if it could be the beginning of a teen like y a novel. There's like some people who have had consensual

sex with ghosts. I think maybe that's impossible. Reget Nielsen. I want to say, how does she know it's consensual? Because the ghost tried to have sex with her and she was like, la la cool. I don't I don't know that this ghost had unpleasant hands. I mean I think it was strong, powerful hands. I called, yes, access your back for a background. It's so close to your neck and you can throttle you. Yeah, that's true. It gives me to create. Let's move on. So story number two.

Uh so, my, we're in college still. My friend of mine, Sam had his mother had a ranch at in Malibu where she had a Brazilian mystic visiting. Um, and we went. We we drove out to to see this Brazilian mystic. The story has two parts. What they have to do with each other you be you be the judge. But it doesn't seem that they are unrelated. Um, this this Brazilian mystic. We get there. He's a he's an older gentleman. Probably about sixty said it there, drinking beard, smoking cigarettes

doesn't seem that holy. But he takes us to this room one at a time and we lie on a bed and uh, and he walks around the rooms are huffing and puffing, and it's like little flashbulbs come out of it and like purple or green or different colors. And he did that and I said, well, Rizio, what was that about? And he said, oh, good for the nervous system. Uh? And which which is? Which was the

only explanation he had. Uh. And then after after we all had done that, we were sitting outside at this table and the about ten of us there, and Rizio said to uh, one of the people, he said, I I think I feel something out in the field. You come with me. And they walk out to the field and they're they're they're walking, they're they're about a hundred yards off and we just see them because every time he steps, sparks come out from under his feet. But

this is what happens when you're a mystic. And they get to a place two hundred yards away or something, and and all of sudden, this huge burst of light comes out of Marittio's chest and you can sort of see him illuminated that immediately after in the sky, this cold orb picture the harvest moon about fift larger than that,

blinks on and the sky and then blinks off. Then about fifteen seconds as in another huge uh flashlight comes out of Ritio and then the gold or flashes odd flashes off and that happens a couple dozen times over over the course of about ten minutes. And then Ritio comes back and we say, Marazio, that was amazing. What was that? He says, So, I didn see anything, I thought, So that was our explanation. So we're driving home from that. Uh here, we'll get to it. So that was an

extra dimensional part. Uh. Someone there suggested he had opened up a portal to another dimension. Maybe Ritio didn't confirm that, but but given what's coming, you may look back on that as a as a credible explanation. Uh. We're in Sam's Broncho driving down Sunset, driving driving eastbound, and we're going we're just passed Rusted Canyon. And what we're approaching what you folks who grew up around here, no, as

dead Man's Curve, you know that big. So we're we're going into that, and all of a sudden, the power to Sam's car just dies's career as we're approaching it. We're about a hundred fifty yards out, we're approaching it, and the power is just God, it's just like it's it's just as though someone just turned it off. And we're coasting to a stop up ahead of us, going westbound. Coming towards us, this car comes screeching around the herb. Herb spins out, does a three sixty. It crashes into

a phone pole. Yes, exactly where we would have been, the exact spot where we would have been had the power not knocked gone out. So are those two halfs of the story port we give me be a good maybe? Or maybe it was a demon with bad aim, or maybe it was Hitler driving the other car and he was being saved to go. Hitler didn't die on dead Man's Curve the next because I spent like a week reading about and this is all I would talk about

last week before the podcast. Well, you know, you know where that curve actually is, but have you actually seen that's the lamest dead Man's curve, That that curve is like sort of just like, yeah, I always imagine I'm confused which one you're talking about. What's what is it? Is it like in like your Beverly Glenn or something no, between Rusta Canyon and the Riviera Palisades. But it's a it's a pretty, a pretty baby dead Man's curve, right that that one is amazing. The one I was at

was a major den Man's curve. The Jan and Dean one is on it's right. Jandane one is interesting because it's about three doors down from the house Buzzy Seagull was shot in, so it's uh so, it's it's an interesting little neighborhood there. Plus, I was reading about Jan and Deane and she was like, oh, because one of them was hot, and I was like, yes, correct, And

then I remember which one. Well. I found out that they were you probably know this already, Richard, but that they were all on the football team like Hollywood High. That's how they became a group, and that the other guy in the group was James Brolin. They were the football team because I just thought they were going to be dorks, and then I was like, wait, Jane and Dean were hot, and then it was like they were

football players who harmonized in the locker room. Don't ever go look at that at that curve, You're gonna be so let down. Well then also one of them was in a car accident later, but not at that dead man's curve, but like not too far from well that that's that's where the accident where the the real life accident was that what wasn't the wasn't They were conflated later. I always imagined being like in Palace fair days on

like a little twisty like canyon. I always a was on Mulholland until I knew better, because the Holland is just one big dead man. To be honest with you, the one the Palisades is uh is is a true people were killed all the time. Can we get another demon story? Yeah? Number three? So I was not the one that I thought you were going to tell. So I'm very curious. The one I remember you telling me

at Italy was about um. It was like somebody said that you had Somebody said that you had opened up your your soul to a ghost letter the wig board. The wig board one was a story that was a very good story. It didn't actually happen to me. It had to happen to a bunch of friends of mine. You should tell it anyway, because a perfect ghost story? Is this the one I'm thinking of? Though I can't remember. Yeah.

So if you go to the Brand Library in Glendale, UM, and there's a path if you go there at night, there's a path that leads up into the hills behind it UM and if you get you go up. You walk up that path about fifteen minutes and you'll see a small a little trail that goes off it. And you'll notice when you go down the trail that the temperature suddenly drops when you come to a wrought iron gate enclosing maybe Puritan way up in the mountains, there's

a pyramid. There's a stone pyramid about fifty ft high, uh in the hills above above Glendonale. It is the Brand family, and I believe Brand family built Glendon Lit there mine. Have you guys been there? It is so spooky. Have you been there? Know? How about when you come soon we will go and there's a pyramid, is what we're going to get to. I've heard of it, but I've never been there yet. I was driving around Glendale one day and I like found it and I was like,

where did this come from. It was totally like a spooky place that was suddenly planted there that I've never noticed before. And it has like the library a building is this sort of fake Moroccan style building, and it was apparently built by the person who built the Chicago World's Fair. And then it inspired a lot of the sort of fake Spanish stuff in Glendale because it was like, you know, a fancy person's building, and the people were like, build me a little Spanish billa also. But it looks

very like a weird movie set um. It has like and everybody I know who goes there says it's like the weirdest place and what this is? How weird it was for my friends for whom I went there and told me the story together and swear by it. Uh So you go there at night and the the gate is closed. You have to climb over it. And they came in and they brought a Luigi board, so they

climb over it. They feel very weird. They sit down, they put the disc on the Luigi board and it just starts spitting by itself and starts spitting wildly, and then they are in the car in their car on the freeway, driving home, just like a time leap, they all lost the time in between. Yes, didn't they get rid of the Wegi board. I don't know if the weigi if the Weiji board was with them still interesting, it might still be there. Yeah, I'll go getting you guys.

Let's go, or let's just bring another one. That offering was that the Wegi board? So I have another week? Was that the one you were thinking of over youthinking? No, that wasn't the one I was thinking of either. Okay, well the other one is quick. I was at the haunted coffee shop and wait, wait, the All Star Cafe that used to be in the Knickerbocker Hotel in front of which d W. Griffith died. Umu the Knicker. I think the hotel has been bought by Scientology. Now in

the cafe doesn't just anymore? But wait, is it the one where they used to have a lightly star trek scemed coffee shop in that in that space called ten forward possible? The All Star Cafe was a brief incarnation there in the and and never quite came together. But uh they claimed it was very haunted and they had a Wigi board, and my friend and I were Uh, we're playing with the Ouiji board and the boards we start telling us things, horrible things we're gonna happen to

our friends. It's sort of it was. It was spelling very It was the quickest of Wegi board has ever worked for me. I was saying like one front of hers is going to die in a car accident and other it was like but it was it was kind of like jokey horrible things. But uh. We asked him who he was and he said he was a nine year old boy named named Max and he spelled that. And as we were leaving, Um, we said to the owner and he says, so you get anything on the

Weigi boards. So yeah, someone was really great. And they're like, oh, was it Max the nine year old? What wait, we're a ton of people bringing Weigi boards to the coffee shop. There was never a ton of people and that they had a Wegi board there Swigi so it might have

been weird. Yeah. At around the time that that that happened, and uh, talking about friends with their brand cemetery experience, I was at a dinner, a group dinner, and there was this, uh, there was this old Native American gentleman, this is the story. I think that you was sort of sort of a shaman type uh self styled shaman, but a lot of people held him in very high regard.

But I started chatting about these ghosts experiences and he looked at me and he said, he said, you shouldn't be fooling with this, and and I was like, uh, it's not, you know, just having fun with the work. Kids will be kids. What are you what are you gonna do? And he kind of looked it was like looking in the space around me, and he's like, you're opening yourself up to the spirits and I was I said, wow, they're welcome to come visit. I don't don't know anything

against them. He looked at me more and he slammed his town. No, you are a coffee cup. Your coffee cup is empty. The spirits are coffee that coffee wants to be in a cup. What you're doing, it may have been you. I also did hear the story. Didn't you say that you had also just been like messing with some sort of like like a coven. No, it was when you went to go you were doing research on the real covens of Hollywood. Because it wasn't this around the time of the Craft or it was around

the time the Craft. Yes, and I wrote my my first my first cover story in journalism. Uh maybe the first feature story for Black Book magazine about about which is in Los Angeles. Uh. So I went to visit a coven in North Hollywood. UM, don't let them tell you that. Um, they all they all have that stuff out there, like, oh, we don't. We don't cast spells or people because everything you do comes back to it comes back to get you three times. And so they

cast Believe me, they did. They cast one on you. Possibly after it came out you opened the barrier. And well, the one thing I've I've used is they taught me a lost things a spell how to find lost things? Can you share? It's not Saint Anthony, a Catholic one she taught me and we both new all the time works. If you say a spell on the radio, does that dissipate its power? Or like? Does that does that? Emily? Emily, you've done my lost Yeah? I think you feel me?

Ever teach that so I don't feel like it's that much more. I'm afraid of can you outline it without telling us? Like the words that you chant er, and so you think you picture yourself finding it, and you you do something to an object of clothing and then leave it in a certain place until it worked every time miraculously. Yes, all right, I'll get the notes afterwards. Uh, guys,

what are your personal scariest moments from horror movies? Oh? Yes, I have one that I watched just before I got here and it's been giving me the creeps ever since, which is from the eight I think remix of Invasion of the Body Snatchers, where, Um, it's been a while since I've seen the movie, but I remember the scene of the dog with the man's face and the banjo music that happened that the part it's so scary because the man is like licking his mouth in a way

that looks like a dog, and everybody's reactions are like really realistic. It's never explained how that happened, never explained that they got me. It's the only one that got mixed up exactly scariest movie. It is a very scary movie, but that's the scariest part. I I never feel safe in San Francisco because of that movie. Yeah. That movie also now is like sad because it's all like beautiful pre gentrification, like real San Francisco. You're like, oh, it

got city snatched. Yeah, Emily, do you have a scariest movie moment? I'm so bad at this one. I've been honestly thinking about it since you guys pose the question, and I'm you know, I know I'm sound like a broken record when I talk about this, but it's there aren't that many movies that really scare me, but there are ones that, like kind of animated movies. Um, I feel like some of the scariest things that have ever scared me have been like anime that I saw as

a child. Well, I think that one of the scarier things, um, Princess Mononoke, like the face on O god On that this like the Dear Spirit I always confuse it with the Patronis from Hierry Potter's very similar the way it's presented, but it's like this dear spirit in the water, but it has a human face. There is something very eerie about human faces on. I think that's the scariest. I mean, I I just in general in general, like mask like

faces are very terrifying to me. I've been more scared like my closest thing that I have to like a um uh paranormal experience or like one of Richard's stories is that I used to play this game called four Doors with like friends growing up, like since I was in you know, middle school or something. It would be a sleepover game, like like kind of like a light as a feather stuff as a board type thing. Do

you know this game? Oh, it's it's it's it's sort of takes a while to explain, but basically it just like you your you guide your friend through like one person is lying down in the middle of the group and you guide them through like kind of of semi

conscious um like journey through all these doors. Um. And and the one that I remember doing or like saying and like everybody in the room just freaking out is like walking into one of the doors and it was just like a room like a full of people wearing like blank masks and all like turned around and stared at me. That's trying. Yeah, that's like the scariest thing

to me. So anything with masks and movies, yeah, stuff in like I mean, like this isn't even movies, but like some of that just conceptual stuff in like ginge Eto just like, yeah, scares me more, doesn't really. I find I delight in Juneto like I I find it so fun, makes me feels so gross and fun like yeah, like all like you know, I don't know it does. It feels more like a like a grotesque form of

comedy too than like actually getting scared to me. But I love it sometimes when it moves into comedy, that's the scariest I think too, because like I was always very freaked out by eighties practical effects stuff. It took me forever to watch The Nightmare on elm Street movies because I was so scared of like Freddy as a just as like a scary looking thing, and like masks of Freddy are so scary to me, I think, more so than Michael Myers, even though he's a scary blank face. Yeah, Richard,

what's your scariest movie moment? So the the one scene in movies that as I get older, I'm scared, like I cry in Hallmark commercials. But also they also scared the hell out of me. So I'm scared of everything now um and and really can't watch scary movies anymore. But the the scene and poulter Geist where She's taught the girls talking to her mother in the kitchen and then and they're at the kitchen table and they look away, and then they turned back to the kitchen table and

the chairs are stuck. The stack chairs is so scary, like Molly's Older Guys. Is one of the scariest movies because it tricks you into thinking gets a different kind of movie at certain just like I was, like seventies movie that's about like families. Yeah, and spend a billion dollars on effects, you won't get anything scarier than these damned kitchen chairs. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Um. A friend of the podcast, Muctamohan has talked about how her biggest

fear is like furniture being moved around while she's asleep. Yeah, stuff like that, because it's really the fear of being insane. Guys, do you want to take I stepped on your segment the Yellow Wallpaper. Let's take a night email from Brian. I wanted to draw your attention to this Fox interview with a pair of Harvard Divinity School researchers who published a paper in that suggested that millennials are substituting CrossFit

and soul cycle for traditional organized religions. I know you have a particular affinity for the occult, and while this maybe it's exact opposite, it may hold some interest for you for that very reason. It feels like another instance of new businesses filling the vacuum created by the loss of old institutions. Guys, well as a person who's as I was saying, my favorite, um, my favorite hot take

on everything is it's church. Yeah, yeah, I I feel like I've I've heard this at least said casually by people who have you know, who subscribe or don't subscribe to this particular religion, especially for I think, especially for soul cycle. Well you were cycles, you just got class pass I did. Yeah. I I have been out of the the group Fitness World for a while, which I was very into in Los Angeles and kind of stopped doing as much here and it's very interesting to come

back to it. Does anyone like have you guys? Has anyone in this room tried what is it called, like soul cycle? I've done soul cycle. Um, I haven't done CrossFit. I was forced once. You were one time? But what did they play? Oh? God? It was horrible, I mean it was it was very It was dark, like we were it should be dark. It reminds you of being in church, because you were like, get me out of here.

No church is better for me than that, because it hurts so badly to sit on that sharp seat, and I had the gel cover that I was like, look, I'm not like a pro. I'm not going to sit on a chair that feels like a knife. So I got like this gel cover. But even then it was so horribly painful that it feels like punishment to sit and like your legs hurt so bad, and they were.

I mean, it's to me, I have a hard time with someone like coaching you through feelings and also to be like it's painful but you have to do it. But it's like the part of it is forcing your body to release these endorphins that forced you to feel. It feels manipulative to me, But that's just me. This is just me. I only exercise alone. If ever, well, I want to say that I've never done one of these group ones, and I really only learned about how churchy it was from seeing the movie I Feel Pretty

with Emily, which is framed around soul cycle. I guess also on Broad City they like do it parody of it but like fake equinox. Yeah, I has that vibe. It's like a combination life coaching and exercise class. People get obsessed with it. I don't know if you guys have followed Ben Dryfe as his journey with Soul Cycle. He wrote about it at mother Jones. No, I've known some people who get really obsessed with bicycling. Yeah, but this is different. What do you feel about it? Richard?

As much as I fear a demon strangling me to death in my sleep, uh, even more fear someone ever speaking to me while I'm trying to exercise exactly going I I don't understand religion should be between you and your soul Cycle trainer and private and should not be done in the presence of other people. But I guess it's crazy that that I've realized about these classes like and and sort of has to do with the religion thing.

But it's also like I think maybe because this idea of you know, like the sort of use of cycles and stuff have been so much in the public discourse lately, and especially like how like abuser logic and stuff, that I started to realize that a lot of the classes are kind of structured. Um, Like you're an abusive relationship

with yourself. Um because especially like I've been going to like Physique fifty seven and bar classes and stuff, and they the language they use is really like we're just gonna like we're just gonna like burn out this this

glute or whatever. We're gonna like do it till till do it till you kill it kind of and then and then at the end or like in between all these like intervals of really really intense exercise and then you like are like you know, spinning, and they and then they do a stretch and they're like, honor your body. Your body is beautiful and what is and it's what has brought you here today to give you this gift? And yeah, that sounds like triumph of the will. And

I wait, Emily, what do you it out of? Like what what is it that draws you to this? Well, lately, I've just been like I've been doing stuff by myself for a very long time now. And I had a personal trainer for a while when I was making more money, and uh, and now I just kind of sunk around a Y M C A. That's the best. Also, have a friend Leslie Moon, who a personal trainer weightlifting coach who's so cool because she does it in the opposite way.

She has the best. Yeah, she's like the best at kind of the more holistic like a like a saying I would love her her vibe because it's like I'm going to teach you the safe way to pick up the heaviest thing you can. Yeah. Yeah, that yeah, and which is like and being around her and like kind of picking up a lot of the stuff that she's been learning and like kind of this sort of philosophy she's been honing then going back to this very yeah, like I feel pretty esque form of exercise feels especially

like a cultural clash. But I do like I do I I have to differ from you, guys. I do like I like stuff and it's like somebody yelling at you. I do like somebody yelling at me. I mean, I've had some amazing experiences with Soul Cycle at south By Southwest. First, No, it is it is a total kink. I will own up to that. But like, but I know, I've never really gotten hardcore into soul Cycle before, but it's south

By Southwest. They do like they'll have like guest DJs, um like like famous like Hudson Mohawk like like guest DJE. I can also see something to just like sweat your brains out in that situation to stay saying, oh it smells like beer. When when you see people that we're in your soul cycle class somewhere else, do you feel like you have a spiritual bond with them? Um? I always feel like you just don't acknowledge it. It's like you all went to an orgy or something or like

a or something. Right, Yeah, exactly, I guess like a better like head to exact, don't show your hand. Uh. There's something about workouts where it's like, I don't know, I like a gentle cult leader. Um. But my personal favorite is yoga with Adrian on YouTube, which I've probably plugged before. But like, if you want the opposite vibe of somebody yelling at you, of someone who's like Sesame Street just being like, stretch whatever is good for you.

She's so wishy washy, though, Man, I need a little more like if you were just sitting there, she'd be like, it's fine, you can just sit. I've done like the shred also, and I didn't like Jillian Chance and yelling at me. I was like, no, I'm not a jock, so um I am. It feels like I was just in Los Angeles and Tess was just in New York. We've been so bicoastal, like the Kardashians franchises all over the country. We're taking New York and we're open and

night dash and yeah, night dash, night dash. Um. But I'm going to be back in l A soon. I think when you hear this, it'll be like a week later. Yeah, um for the first ever UH Female Filmmakers Festival in Los Angeles, which I'm super excited to be a part of. I'm going to be doing a couple of panels there and you should definitely check it out and get tickets at f f fest dot org. Yeah, Emily will be there and I will also be there. Maybe TuS will be there, who knows. You never know where I'll be

wild card I am. I am going with my mom to see a documentary called Left on Pearl that is about the nineteen seventy one takeover of a building by women in Boston. Uh. They took over a building that Harvard was like trying to buy up a lot of working class neighborhood housing in a Cambridge and so a bunch of women women took over a building and turned it into an affordable women's health center. And obviously that's something that I think is cool and I would like

to learn how to do more stuff like that. So, yeah, it's a really amazing program. It's not it's not UM. I think they have win premiere, but the rest is just kind of a really good selection of uh boast stuff that you might have seen. Like they have an American Psycho there, Mary Heren's American Psycho. UM, they have UM a Chreeless Mountain, which is like one of So Young Kim's earlier films, and like some Barber Hammer shorts. Yeah, it's just like a really good mixing like international to UM.

And I think it's going to be a cool weekends at the Independent Downtown Independent in Los Angeles. And this is the weekend of the the twelfth through the fourteen, twelve through the fourteenth in l A at ff S dot org. The fourteenth of October. Yes, it is halfway to Halloween. Halfway. We almost made it. And now that Richards here, you feel that Halloween creepy vibe his coffee

cup of ghosts. Your coffee cup overflowid do not do not fill your coffee cup with Now you gotta put one of those lids on it with a little tiny hole so only the really important ghosts can come in. Well, it's been good the last ten years or so because ten twenty years, because I haven't been messing with it, so I haven't felt it, and and and I haven't been spreading these stories around until now. So welcome to

the coven, Richard. Watch out for those chairs stacking. Yeah, if any chairs are stacking in your home, give us a call and tell us about it at two four oh four six night or you can email us at Nightcall podcast at gmail dot com. And if you're enjoying the podcast, please review, rate and subscribe, and be sure to check out Richard's newsletter at the Akler dot com and also follow us on social media. We're on Twitter at Nightcall pod uh, Instagram at Nightcall Podcasts, and Facebook

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