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Yakima Sorr. Yakima, Washington is also the birthplace of Karl McLaughlin. Fun fact, Washingtonian. Um, they're not in Tacoma though, they're in Seattle. They're like on the other side. So Seattle is like I think it was filmed. It was filmed in Tacoma. It was filmed in Tacoma, filmed in a combo. We'll tell you what we're talking about soon. But first, Emily had something very strange arrive in her mailbox that she forwarded to me and Molly, Emily, can you please

talk about this? Okay? So I got a letter in the mail after getting back from Austin it's fun to get mail everybody. I'm getting it out of my back right now as we speak. Um, everybody loves to get mail. Um. This was a ten page double sided letter in curier font and the first I'll start reading it just to the time. I'm not going to read the whole thing, because as I said, it is ten page, just double sided. But it starts. Emily, please forgive us, but we've just

taken a closer look at your profile. It turns out you're more special than any of us imagined. Did you know that you possess some very rare, hidden traits. In fact, there is a famous person, someone you would instantly recognize, he's on TV every night, who possesses the same special, incredibly rare traits. It turns out the people who possess these same rare and often hidden traits that you do are some of the most famous and successful people on

this planet. Emily, you are indeed blessed. I know those around you don't know this yet, but they will down deep. You sense it to right, I'm so excited for you. Exclamation point. Uh. This goes on to be a extremely long pitch for me to uh join something referred to as the society which is s is capitalized, and and the word is italic oftentimes in the letter I did a little research on because I was this first of all,

just seems so old school. It feels like something from the nineties, or like it feels like getting a chain letter or something you're old chain letters. Yeah. Um, so they do a bullet point list on this is on page nine of UH twelve. Um here is just a sample of the power of the secrets. Discover the one simple method to transform all money and power from the uninformed to you. Instantly use this amazing bit of new scientific knowledge that will generate a mountain of cash like

a personal a t M machine automatically. You don't even have to do anything. The simple easy way to get the lover of your dreams, regardless of his or her situation. Learn how to seduce anyone in any situation, and even how to win your ex love back. Control anyone, any time, anywhere. Find out how simple it is to lose all the weight you want and eliminate any addiction food, alcohol, cigarettes, drugs once and for all. Know how to heighten your

new powers and render all others completely helpless. On that's the weirdest. The picture of it also, and it was like photo copied it looked like a zodiac letter. Yeah. I mean, it's just it's all like you know, courier front the whole way through. So I did a little research on it, and I sent you guys a couple of articles from the l A Times from a few. One was from I think one was from and one was from Yes, David Lazarus, and they're both really interesting. Yeah.

So the more recent one was that the letter had arrived for somebody who was dead and the person's adult child had gotten the letter. And the guy who sent who's like in charge of this thing, some guy in like Henderson, Nevada. He went and interviewed him, the reporter did and uh, you know, he insisted, we hand pick all the people that we send this out to. There's a rigorous selection process. But they're basically like, Okay, the rigorous selection process led you to this guy who's been

dead for two years. The scam seems to be something. It's it's like a cross between scientology and like Encyclopedia salesman. You get one kind of introductory book when you when you sign up for this, like just to get you interested in these secrets that you sign up free and they give you like a couple secret pamphlet yeah, which sounds like it's basically like objectivism, kind of like libertarianism.

And then they're like, to figure out how to do it, you need to buy what I think amounts to like three volumes of books, and the books like ten tho dollars or something in total. Or yeah, here's my question, how did you get on the spiling list? Someone I methods one of their methods, Well, all of all of my best mail, I know comes from the fact that

I have credit card debt. Uh. So it could be that, um, there's something about this letter that, even though it's ridiculous and so obviously insane, I did not sit down and read the whole thing beginning to end. I kind of

like skimmed it and found some interesting parts. But I could imagine like being up particularly lonely person with not a lot to do and getting this letter and sitting down and not really having anything better to do and reading the whole thing and like being like, yeah, you know what, I am special, Like I am I do have a good profile, you know, Like, yeah, it's just like kind of it tells you everything you want to hear in a really dumb way. Uh. But yeah, it's

it's very clearly a scam. Uh. My favorite part about it is that, like it says that the members of the society apparently have meetups and like fraternize and talk about how to render others helpless. Yeah, they take all all their money. It's like Bohemian grove. Yeah. I read that one of the ways that they choose who to send the letters to is based on, um, like the

publicly available data of which magazines you subscribe to. I think one of them was like Forbes or Fortune, um, but as we all know, a super subscriber to for the Raw Report. I'm wondering if they are like publicly available lists of who goes to film festivals and and stuff like that, could that be a link? You're too smart if you're honestly, my first thought was signed up for the the What was the other one in the subway that you saw that was like no school for

practical Philosophy. Yeah, no, I never signed up for that. We talked about that because it was like the oh I think it was on the outline. Yeah, that we talked about um, like there was a period of time when I like it was new to l A and I was like, oh, I'll just like go to the Museum of what was the name of their museum, the scientology The Psychology as death museum is still getting confused for the death museum. I know there's a shitty serial killer museum or is that not the Museum of death?

That's a museum of death but is different from psychology and Industry of Death anti psychiolotry um. They're both really scary and off putting in different ways. But you know, part of me is always like I'll go to the thing, like, I'll just check psychiatry and psychiatry of death. It's like a cat and fiddle. Yeah. Well, just feels like they would like scan your d n A as soon as you like walk through the door, and then you'd never

get off their Melian list. I mean, yeah, I knew a lot of people who wanted to casually wander into some of those things, and I was like, don't do it, and then um. The society, though, goes by a bunch of also different names like Neo Tech, the Novas Tech Society, New votech Society, Neo Thinks it's siety, um, and it was started by this guy named Frank Wallace who was born Wallace Ward, and then his son took it over.

His son's name is Wallace Ward Jr. I guess, and then he now goes by the name Mark Hamilton's, which

he I think tried to trademark. But there's also like an interesting thing on the Rational Wiki when I googled um the society, Like I kind of fell into like a web hole on this about how Mark Hamilton's is like in a fight with Jimmy Wales from Wikipedia, because, like I guess, according to Hamilton's, Jimmy Wales used to be a contributor on the all dot neo tech Usenet group and then they got into this like thing because um, Hamilton's wanted to like edit the neo tech Wikipedia and

his dad's Wikipedia and like Wikipedia, you know, it was like allowing truthful edits and he wanted like a kinder edit. It's just interesting, so much stuff about old hacker groups coming up. So yeah, um for it, Mr Robot presidential candidate for well you were also Emily. You also got like a ton of weird international calls to your cell phone. Oh yeah, well this is I'm not alone in this um because I did a little bit of a search afterwards. In Ira Madison was tweeting about this of getting calls

from I had been getting them from Belarus. I think there were some a couple of other countries that people were getting calls from, but they would just like show up, and of course I was not picking them up because I just don't pick up unknown calls, much less calls from Belarus. But then I was getting them repeatedly, which usually doesn't happen. So then I I blocked one, and then it was like whack a mole, Like once I blocked one, then another number would start calling me until

I blocked that one too. This was kind of happening on and off, like throughout the time that I was in Texas. I mean, I'm not sure exactly what that one is about, but there is like a thing of just um like it's one of these ways that um uh like terrorism gets funded, like doing these kind of auto calls and like collecting this two pennies or something for um like just from your carriers. How terrorism gets funded. No, because it's like the scheme where it's like you do

you wait, who is funding. Oh, it's just one of these schemes like they'll they'll they'll set up these auto calls to call people, um in international numbers, and then there's like bella rous. No, I'm not necessarily it's uh, you can look it up. This is a thing. The carrier will pick up the call and then there's like a two cent or something amount that's bounced back to the caller. And so they just do this in this in this high volume, and it's one of the one

of these like black market methods of fundering. I'm googling it. I'm googling it. I'm not being I forget the name of it, but it's I want to know who's doing it. I mean, it's like freaking alright. Snopes ways in terrorists funded through telemarketing claim terrorists are funding their operations through a telephone scam that lures the unsuspecting hold on. No, because the whole thing has nothing to do with any

contact made with a person. You never like, the goal is to like get somebody to pick up the phone for you know. I can believe this is a thing. It's just it breaks my brain to try and figure out how it would work. And like Snope said it was false, but it was like it was like Emily said, it was a different thing. It was like, you know, they keep you on the line. This she's saying that they just randomly whipped through numbers to collect a very small fee that ends up somehow What are who are

we talking about? I'm continuing to the terrorists. That sounds fake. It does sound fake. I mean it's I don't I cannot tell you the name. That sounds like an urban legend.

And that is interesting too, because it is interesting that people are trying to like defund Snopes because they're like, it's got correct info about stuff we don't want there to be correct information about is the only and the idea that Wikipedia came out of an argument between some people and like a rationalist message board is not super surprising.

And that one guy was like, let's be what we think is truthful and the other person was like, no, no, there's like an objective truth you have to stick to.

Also seems like everything that's happening now, so this this particular Snopes that is false, unsurprisingly false, that terrorists were We're calling people and being like stay on the line because I've got really interesting information about a nuclear attack, and people were like, oh, no, I have to stay on the line because I got to find out about these So that's that is false. I believe that people

are doing black market robot calls to raise money. I don't believe that it is funding terrorist terrorism unless there's some actual proof of that. This like a D D O S attack that we're kind of talking about, it's similar in nature. Yeah. I was getting some robotcalls, a lot of robot calls recently, but they're all for like a dream vacation. Do you know what I'm talking about? It's a robot and it's like, get is it the robot that pretends to be I like this the sound.

It's like the ones where it's like I'm a fake person. It's like, Hello, have you been thinking about going on a dream vacation? It's like yes, all the time, stay on the line. No, I always hang up, but I do often. I pick up sometimes because sometimes they come from like a local ish number and I'm just like, let's find out. I think I got one weird call from maybe a Belarus type. I got one weird European call that I was like, not picking that up, but I'm sure I feel like I've talked about on the

pod before. The scam that I got for a minute was one or somebody calls you from jail in Texas. I do remember this. It was like, you have they call you collect and they're like, you have a collect call from you know, the Texas whatever in mate numbers, right, And I like the first time it happened, I was like, do I know somebody? Who would I know that we're

calling me collect from jail and very stressful. Well right, You're like, oh am, I like what if this person did need if we and they were like, I don't know anyone in jail. But then you figure out it's a scam. Yeah. Um. I had a really uh frustrating, like obviously fake, but frustrating call a couple of weeks ago from somebody who said that my identity had been

compromised and used to rent a car in Texas. Um that then the car was found abandoned, uh, with like five thousand dollars worth of cocaine in it and what and um they said that my social Security number needed was had been compromised and needed to be deactivated. And then and I started to like I was like, who are you again? And like, you know, not to general ears, but it sounded like a like a South Asian like

you know, outsourced caller. And I was like, where are you going because he said he was in uh upstate, New York from like the New York State Police. And then I like asked for a badge number and stuff, and then I was like, I'm going to get my husband on the phone and then he hung up. Yeah, SORR, Like, I mean, it's sort of amazing that like phone scams have come back because maybe they're in some way they've ramped up so much because of call of spoofing and

v O I P. I mean, it's super easy. Spoofing is when disguise your number with a number, like if you have caller I D it could say like the you know, Office of Corrections, the I R S Like I get so many in that And that's why because they used to be able to deactivate, they would trace where the numbers were coming from. It would be like the actual number and then your cell phone like the

police are calling. Pretty much what happened to this call from the quote unquote New York State Police, Like I googled the number while I was on the phone with him, and it was a legit number from the New York State Police and then to you the number, but then you're blocking the real number. You're not blocking this, but it seems illegal. It's so it's totally oh no, it's

it's legal. So I called them and I was just just to like heads up that that that their number had been spoofed, because it's like, uh, and so I don't know. I guess they were going to follow up on it, but it's like it's hard. I think it's really hard to counter counteract that because you can't really do anything from your end exactly like the spoof number.

It also is really messed up because some the two um there are three that I've heard of actually happening, are spoof numbers being used to realistically impersonate, you know, kidnap. You heard about the scam where it's like you call elderly people and say that a loved one has been kidnapped and kind of like, so you call elderly people and people that might be like alone and lonely, and but it's like if you call someone who's not familiar with with you know, calling spoofing, and it says the

I R S or whatever exactly. It says Windows Customer Support for the wind your your Windows computers. It's like that is sort of high tech for a thing involving phones, but it's still phones. I'm just like, yeah, you know, wow, people pick up the phone and talk on the phone.

I mean, I always get nervous because I'm I. I usually choose not to pick up the phone if I don't know the number, but then like maybe one out of four times it ends up being somebody that's calling me about something work related and I just don't know's I'll get the email right after, like hey, I just tried to and I just didn't happen to have their number or their name, you know, attached to the number. But so it's not like I never I used the phone quite a bit, actually, like I I talked to

people on the phone pretty often. Loves the phone. I love the phone communication. It's like so much more efficient than it only takes one hand. Wait, unlike texting. Texting also text hand You text with one hand, that's so slow. That's even more unefficial. I text really fast. I text mostly on the computer, but when I texted. I text on the computer. I'm against texting on the computer, the

text computers, the streams. I am obsessed with texting on When I text on the computer with someone who doesn't, I'm like, Wow, they must think I'm the best text in the world. I'm the best texter in the world. On one hand, I don't need a I don't need the keyboard. I don't know you too hand texters, guys. I think we should take a night email. Absolutely. This

call comes to us from Eve. We got this a little while ago, so hopefully it's not too late, but we just thought it was timely, so we thought we'd read it. Dear night call. I live in New York in My family and friends are all in the Northeast. I just found out that I was accepted to a grad program at USC. What do I need to know to decide whether I should move to l A. My main worries are A, I'm not a very good driver,

and be what with the coming climate of pocalypse? Maybe I don't want to be three thousand miles from everyone I love. What do you think? Thanks? I think there are two parts to us answering this email. One of them is just an excuse to talk about the college admission scandal for a second, back on scams, in which

USC played a central role of old scams made new. Yeah, um, USC was where Laurie Laughlin or no, yeah, two weeks ago and then that scandal broke and we were like, let us still also we should we should clarify I mean, not clarify because she says it, but just reiterate she's she's gotten to a grad program. So this is a little bit different than like scamming your way onto the

rowing team at USC. Like, you know, I'm sure that there's a much more legit process we're getting into grad school there, but those you know, I mean I think Eve, you sound like you got in on your own merits. So congratulation, congratulations, But you know, USC has had a really troubled couple of years right now, Um, this is like the scandal is this year, and all of the scandals were like some of them were more lurid than this.

Oh yeah, well, I mean this one after the initial kind of like you know, scandalous nature of the fact that so many recognizable names had like committed a real crime, and it was like very strange. I think looking back at the USC scandals, the guy who was like doing drugs and operating on eyes, and also the like really awful um gynecologist. Yeah, there was like the head of gynecollege.

Like one of the people in the medical department at USC was like maybe head of gynecology was like molesting people during exams, which then happens in the hand that rocks the cradle, which we will be just saying next Yes that was Dr Tyndall. I think that happened there. Yeah, there were just like a lot of bad things usc.

USC has bad energy. It has to say that. I know, I mean like go Brewin, but but like they just I did apply for USC, and maybe I have a little bit of you know, resembment because they were the only school that did not accept me of all the like however many I applied to. But I'm glad that I didn't go to USC because it feels like it feels just like a bad vibe school, Like I I

can't know when is the last time something cool happening? No, I mean USC is there's a lot of good cool people who go there, and there's it's like but it's also sort of a party school. It is both universally spoiled children, right, but it's also like it also is like a film school. And I got to shout out

our undergrad friend, Um Ray, Hi, Ray. You probably don't listen to the podcast, but I always have to, like think, Ray was, um this guy who went to high school with us, and he was super interested in toy cars. But he was just like really smart and like into like he kind of understood the Internet in a really like precocious way. Anyway, he went to USC, and he was also working the entire time that he was at USC.

I think that they were like more supportive of that than some undergraduate programs would have been, and as a result, like he got to kind of work on his dream job while still having the ability to like have a college life and stuff. He made USC sound like the perfect place for a certain type of kid, you know, who really knows what they want to do and they want to start working, but they also want to all

the schools are corrupt, All private institutions are corrupt. There were like a lot of things going on in the story, which was like people being mad that these rich people scammed their kids way into the school, and then other people being mad that they didn't do it the right

way that like nor people. They scammed their way in by like buying buildings and donating things, and well this is like the middle class rich person's way of scamming their way and like you're not quite rich enough to buy a wing, but however, bribe your way into this. I thought William H. Macy and Felicity Huffman were totally famous enough to get a kid into USC just on like being famous people. It sounded like, I mean, I think it just sounds like and you know, I feel

bad for the kids. A lot of people were kind of coming down on the kids, saying the kids must have known. And even though like Lori Laughlin's kids didn't seem jazzed to be at school, I guess her daughter Olivia Jade, who's like talked about how she liked was literally like she just wanted to go to school with her friends, so she she wanted to go to parties. But it's also hard because it's like, what if any

of those kids didn't know. That's just like the most fucked up things, Well, they shouldn't even be in the running to go to those schools, is the thing. They just like it's the entitlement of imagine, we should get to go to those school because all our friends are going. But imagine thinking that you got in and then you find out that there were like photoshopped pictures of you. Yeah, well,

I don't know. I mean, it's even that's the thing for a parent to do to a kid, even if it comes from like started as a seed of good intention turned into this like really gross crime. But I mean it was it was interesting to me. But it's like, didn't you know that your kid's not smart enough to go to that school? No, you're as a parent, You're

never gonna be like, my kid's not smart enough. You're gonna be like they don't try anybody if they could try, I wouldn't she be happier at like a school where she like right party exactly? This is like like a friend of pod Justin Charity on his podcast Damage Control, they were talking about how or she might be an idiot. We might think of her as being an idiot because she's like this eighteen year old doesn't care about school whatever.

But she's like a pretty successful YouTuber is probably making her own money off of that, Like she doesn't necessarily need to go to a school and clear have that much interested in nobody needs doctors, yes, but yeah, but she's trying to be a doctor is only useful for like if she want to get an NBA or name, like sure, but but you know, And so I think, I think, like the discussion of like our our our our caller, who is going to a grad program that

feels like a very different thing than this obligatory undergraduate education at like a classy quote unquote institution, like the the purposes of undergrad versus grad are are vastly different, especially when you're talking about it this way, like yes, um, you have much more autonomy by the time you're blying

for grad school. To answer the question of should she move across the country to go to USC, knowing that she does not like driving and that her family's on the East Coast and that she's concerned about the climate apocalypse, I'm gonna go ahead and say no, Yeah, that's a bold thing to say, But I'm going to what the grad program and how much debt you're going to go

into if there's debt. I mean, I would say also that having known a lot of grad students, like that's just another oversaturated job market with not enough jobs, full of overqualified people that have done all the work and checked all the boxes, and that are like, wait, what what what market like the professorial job market? That academia, Yeah, a place that you would think was like a respite

from the rest of capitalism. Absolutely not. All schools are run like businesses now, regardless of their public or private. That's the thing is that, like, I mean, all of us have clearly made the decision to not go to grad school shaking out differently, different, different, great outcome. There's still time. I'm never going to Are you kidding me on the fucking grad school? I'm not. I'm not planning to go. I got to if I got to go to grad school for completely free. Sure, you would love

to go to art school. Yeah, I cannot imagine anything worse right now at this point in my life and going to art school. I'm such a different planet from you, guys. I applied to like thirty colleges, I didn't get into most of them, and I would love to just keep going to a different college every four years. That would just be great. I don't want to go to college anymore, but if I could learn something and not have to go into debt. I feel now like I'm in a

better place to like focus. Also, there's no shame in community college, like go to community A class, I mean class you don't have to do you want to go to USC, I will say that USC you you can, unless you like actually want to explore l A. It's like downtown is very like you know, walkable compared to a lot of the rest of l A. I think it would be easier to go to USC and like get away with using public train insportation. Then it would to go to I don't know, you know, some other

place here Pepperdine, then you're screwed. Do not don't go to any of those like l A adjacent schools. I mean the thing of going to Loyal Marymount for the first two years of my college education. It was might as well have been in Ohio. It was yeah or she did not specify what the program was she got into. But I would say, if it's something like creative writing, maybe maybe you don't need to go to l A for that, especially if it's going to cramp your style

in other ways. But if it's something like you know, obviously like law school, met school, business school. We actually need the degree to like do the thing that you want to do. I mean go to law school. Yeah, go to law school. Don't go to law if you're

a good person, go to law school. Honestly, like you should come out to l A right for like three weeks and just see how it feels and then make your to decision if you have that amount of time, because then you would know like if if it's something you really want to go for, We're not going to say don't, but at the same time like, yeah, I don't, I'm not, I don't. Your your reservations caller are too

strong already. Yeah, I think I think the sc is also going to be a bigger culture shock than like other l A adjacent schools you could go to, like U c l A. Or I'm just hearing this U c l A nationalism coming out so strong. It's true. I secretly stand U c l A because I went

to a family camp there. There are some scandals to all the schools of scandals, Brown were tests and I went just had this big scandal that was about there being like a secret organization for rich kids inside the school, which I was like, well, I was like was it even secret? Like how are you talking about the was it the like, you know, the people who would get the espresso martinis and asked for a boxing the European people.

They weren't all European, but that's it was like the first Martine Needs like a royalty tier at Brown where it was like, I'm not sure those people got in on grades, but yeah, it seems nice. Must be nice. Um, guys, should we talk about an erotic thriller? So we had a debate about whether this this counts but whether or not you agree, will you not join us right now on an erotic odyssey? Guys? I pushed really hard for this movie, which is a hand that rocks the cradle

a ka natal attraction. But then I realized when we um talked last week on the phone that maybe it's not really erotic, it's post erotic thrill. We pulled our listeners on Twitter and after a whopping fifty votes, I think I came out with something like seventy in favor of being an erotic thriller. There are boobs. There are boobs, but it is those boobs are working hard in this movie. Those are mommy boobs. Oh don't you dare go there girl. There, No,

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying like they are. They are the context in which they are well whatever. Okay, you know they have many, many jobs, but this is an important role of the amazing. I would never say anything not in favor of the boobs in this movie. I'm just like specifying their role. Um, which is everybody is thrilling. Um, it's erotic thriller. This movie is bonkers. I was not prepared for the level of insanity. Like I watched the trailer. I think I watched the clips.

I told you guys, I watched the Cisco and Eber episode reviewing it. Um. I thought I was prepared for some kind of like proto lifetime movie. Um. This it is nowhere. I was not ready for this movie. It is so brutal. Yeah, soup to nuts. Like from the very very beginning of the movie, the funked up stuff starts to happen, does not stop. Its snowballs. Yeah yeah, I mean spoilers to follow in case anyone was there wouldn't be. We're just gonna spoil everything, I think otherwise

we can't really talk about it. The interesting thing just to like maybe start this off because I think it kind of helps me contextualize what is So. I don't know if I like this movie, but it is certainly remarkable and it was written by um Amanda Silver wrote this. So she's like a rare woman's scribe and the erotic, the erotic thriller genre woman scribe period. Yeah, I just saw a movie poster are walking over here, and just like I was looking at it in the two and

a half Man song started playing. But do she has a fascinating career? Did you go look her up? This was like her film school script, correct her first her first screen. I think this movie is awesome, Yeah, it is,

but it's also like it is problematic and dated. Yeah, I mean I think, like you know, obviously the character of Solomon played by Ernie Hudson, who does a great job by the way he's marrying and everything he does, but it is like, so he plays a mentally challenged kind of like handyman who then ends up being kind of the hero of the story. But it is it is rough, like I guess what happens to him is gnarly.

It's the worst thing that happens. Maybe you can say other than the deaths, but maybe in a way worse. It's supernarly, but it's also so interesting. I mean, it's like the whole point is that, like they're afraid to leave their yuppies are afraid to leave their child with him because he's like mentally a challenge to black, and like they're totally fine to leave their child exactly Rebecca to Mornick because she's blonde and white and like feminine

and seems rich because she formerly was. Yeah, and like they just assume it's like that thing. They're like they assume she'll be like naturally a great nanny and then she's So it is really hard at this point in time for me to see an actor who's not um who who is like, you know, it's I think the handling of his character was like slightly ablest. It's at this point really hard to like see someone portray someone who is mentally challenged. If the actor is not, it's hard.

He does great well, It's I think he does a good job. Like I think it's still a case by case basis for that kind of thing. But like the only thing kind of rubs me the wrong way about that is just like that he is sort of positioned as the person who like senses the trouble early on, like kind of visa v these like intuitive maybe one might say magical power, no I, But I also think it's like she thinks he's an idiot, so she goes out.

She doesn't conceal her behaviors. She's like herself around him because she thinks he'll never do anything, and to be fair, he accidentally. So this is the big like scene that everyone kind of is left with and then later when you watch it again, they're like, You're like, but there are so many other even worse scenes, but it's primarily disturbing. You see Rebecca de Mornay as the nanny who gives her name is Peyton Flanders but is in fact Mrs Mott.

She breastfeeds Annabella Siora's baby, who she's like, yeah, that is like Solomon sees through the window because he's like, you got a painting the trim. That is the central horror scene in this movie. And it's amazing because you've never seen it before and it's and it's so like it gets and he is like a topless scene. But then you're like, uh no, um, Annabelle Shura is also

she's yeah, she's like flannel. Yeah, the whole like flannel like northwestern housewife thing down with the volvo and everything. But it's just like so radiant, Like I don't know. This movie is great because it gets into some of the same stuff as Fatal Attraction, where it's just like yuppie stuff and like women's anxiety about success of like you know, there's literally Julianne Moore's characters literally killed by

the glass ceiling. Oh even that's true. She is literally killed by the and she has given a line earlier during a dinner where she's like, nowadays a lady has to bring in fifty dollars, make lasagna and give blow jobs. Who can make it work? And then she's killed by a glass ceiling and she talked about selling a house for like three million. Let's talk about Julianne Moore for one second in this movie, and let's talk about her for a long time. Ronnie Diller character that walks into

this movie uher repertory player. Julianne Moore shows up again in this film to play the best friend of Annabelle Sera. Also the only person with any sense in this movie like she's the she is the only intelligent person who acts intelligences. Another thing too, where it's like she's Annabelle Siera's husband's old girlfriend. So you're like, you know, she's the person you you would maybe like not trust around your husband, but like, for some unbelievable reason, she trust

Rebecca de Mornay because she trust her husband. I guess she's like, we are believing that Rebecca de Mornay is this weird like widow, or so she claims. She gives them a story as Peyton Flanders, that her husband was murdered and that her I don't know if she actually says that her child died or that she had a miscarriage in truth what happened. Well, just to give the backstory for anyone who's not seen The Hand, the Rocks the Cradle. Um, we start off with Claire, who's Annabelle.

She ora she's getting a prenatal exam from a new doctor, Dr Mott, who molests her. She goes home, tells her husband, who's played by Matt McCoy, who's in l a confidential and police academy, and he's just like the worst care He's such a boy he's all but I know, I love him because he's like perfect. He's a prop in the way that like every woman exactly, that's what's great. He's he's kind of nice, like like a really really good beard. Like it's just so anyway, he's like, you

have to tell the police. She does. It turns out other women have also been molested by Dr Mott. Dr Mott commits suicide. His wife, Rebecca de Morona, is pregnant with his kid. You know, after they tell her like, well, he killed himself and all these women are going to be afforded a judgment, so we have to sell your house and you're you're going to be losing. She just falls to the ground, faints, has a late term miscarriage, ends up, you know, going to the hospital. They have

to give her a hysterectomy. Her baby dies, and then she's like eye for an eye, I'm gonna take everything. She reinvents herself as an evil Mary Poppins, yeah, and

and gives herself a new name. However, one of the most unbelievable things in this movie is that on the news, so she's like recover, you know, she's recovering from this horrible thing that's happened Rebecca to Morny's character, she turns on the news and they're you know, the news are like, well, uh, doctor has committed suicide after this late and her name,

I'm going to find you. Um. My only complaint about this movie is that I feel like the reveal that she's the doctor's wife could come later in the movie for us, Yeah, like instead of front loading it with oh, oh, yeah, you know that, we like we didn't have to see the face of who the doctor's wife is until yeah. I think that would have been a better like gotcha and the final effect if you on it, um yeah. Always we start off like waiting for her to do

something messed up. The thing though. The only thing though is that this movie is she The things that she does in this movie are so brilliant and so fucked up that, like, even knowing from the get go that she's on a revenge path, I am still shocked what she does. Rebecca de Mornay's fucking amazing and we should

talk about her now because she is so underrated. She's so good, good in risky business and in this and I learned everything about her, and when I learned is that her dad was a famous conservative Orange County talk radio guy who was like a shock chocolate, like the first guy to be like, you know, conservative California Mr Orange County. His name is Wally George. She was estranged from him because he was like a serial big a mist. She said he was a big a miss and he

was like, I'm not, and that's libel. And they think he had like like a wife in every port maybe kind of thing. Um, But yeah, she's from Santa Rosa, which checks out nicely. So while we were watching the movie, there's this scene where she's going insane in the bathroom that's and so up the bathroom, and I think she's wearing like a red sweater and then she kind of she's like just kind of bulldozing around with like this just hitting everything. And my husband was like, oh, you know,

this totally reminds me of The Shining. It's like being like so Jack Nicholson. And then I totally didn't remember that she was in The Shining in the TV movie, a very bad TV movie. But but she when she like I totally thought of The Shiny when she like uses the poker from the place to like stab her way through the door. I was like, oh my god, it's just and it's actually like weirdly more terrifying case, but just because I hadn't seen it a zillion times.

She also because she never appears to like sweat. She keeps straightening her hair, but she'll just go totally insane and then she'll straighten her little scruncheet. By the way, the worst hair in this movie that I've ever seen in any movie. Hair, all the hair, the stringy bangs, the scrunches. At one point, I don't remember, someone's wearing a scrunch that has been like twisted around like the world's smallest ponytail, so it just looks like a long

scrunchy tail. I was like, I can't even watch the imbably, but I did like how it was like she's always wearing like pencil skirts and like she's like professional, like she freaks out when she gets a stain on her she doesn't. It seems like she did not have the budget to get a new wardrobe for her new identity, because when we see her, like, you know, finding out that she's not going to get any money from her husband's estate, then she's like wearing this totally buttoned up

like the outfit. She knows what works for her and it's pencil skirts. She's not wrong, pencil skirts for sure. Um, she fucking rule. I feel like this in Fatal Attraction are both domestic horror domestic erotic thrillers, which is what makes them such classics, and I feel like I wish they were just like a hundred more movies like this. Well, they're really about like the home as a battle front like that that like less so than stuff like basic

instinct or evidence or whatever. Like this is very crush. I was going to say, we do the crush. Sometimes someone comes into your house, someone sucks everybody and your family, Yeah, the ultimate nightmare. Instead of coming in and killing you, they just want to like have sex with your husband and breastfeed. But all the Italian art movies are about but like the level of seed planting and like long game, like like absolute emotional ruination that that she reeks in

this movie is just so astounding. Like yeah, just like the way that she makes every but he just mistrust each other in really several ways, even like the first thing that she does, like one of the first things she does is, uh, they're going to go out to dinner with Julian Moore and her husband, and Claire has put out this like sexy little red dress to wear to dinner, and when she's like in the bathroom, uh, Peyton puts a stain on it, and so she can't

wear perfew perfew, Yeah, and then she she she has to like wear another dress, and she has to wear this like kind of frumpier dress. And it's just like that like subtle thing of of where the husband's like, oh, yeah, no, you look great in whatever you wear, like whatever, Like it's just like sewing the seeds of him, like trying to sabotage their relationship. That's the only thing that doesn't work for her, but it's still like it's like honing

in on women's fears. Also, I mean gaslighting is just the most like I'll watch anything about gaslighting. Gaslightings like my ultimate fear, I think, um And just to see someone who's like they just want to like not only destroy your family, but just leave you thinking you're insane and likes she makes her feel insane. She alienates her from everybody. It's really amazing. And asked somebody with asthma,

this movie scared the fun, Oh my god. But it's also such she's she's not getting good direction on how to use an inhale at the front of the beginning, she'll kind of puff it like a little stage. You know. Curtis Hansen is just so good. He makes so many, so many bangers. Yeah, it does, and a little underrated maybe for not being flashy. But like this movie, I feel like, dude, I know, but it's not like it's

also got another Grammar Bell's score on it. I know at this time I loved it, but I was like, what were you? Maybe he hated Body of Evidence. He was just like, I'm not going to really do my best work here. But you know, if it takes place in like a leafy Pacific Northwestern house, beautiful house, we'll watch it. Do you think that it was just really cheap to shoot there at the time, and that's why every single thriller took place there. Yeah, there were a

lot of Pacific Northwest movie. I think it was just Sleepless in Seattle was about the same time. I think it was just the nineties. It was the Seattle Seattle was as cool. It's also like interesting because you know, Claire being like the matriarch of the family or whatever making a greenhouse and she's just like in all of these really lush settings and like you know, her house

is just like filled with greenery. And then she goes to this really weird modern house where the doctor and it's like on the sea or what it's like on a cliff. I like these movies because they lean into like the I just love crazy women in movies. You know, maybe not in real life, although debatable definitely, And sometimes I mean, I love you know, we're going to bring up basic instinct every week until we actually watch it for this but like and I love that movie as

my as you guys do. But like there is some extra kind of spiciness and like rareness the scene, something about a crazy woman, like who is also smart in the same way that like, you know, Katherine Trammell is smart but is in battle with another smart woman. Like it's the best. It's not like a man being threatened by this diabolical woman. It's like it passes the Bechdel test. Let's say, uh and more, these are women's movies, and

I wish they were dead played. Oh she's so And then she went on to be in the Nanny she's from that No, that's just and such a good kid actor I usual, I rarely ever think that, but she's so good. Was the nanny is like the good world

hand that rocks the cradle? But then I feel like she breaks up that family also, so maybe maybe the uh industry of nannine is broken, inherently broken and people well, I think I think the thing is is that it when you when you hire a nanny, which I've never done, but I'm imagining, and because you saw that's the reason there's never like a lack of ambivalence when you entrust your kids to say, how well do you know somebody? It's like the opportunity to exploit that fear because you

can know the better you know someone. But it's like and again that's why it's like I feel like this movie is a little progressive because it's like the person who you think like looks like the person who will treat your child, well, it's like not that person and like even y'all are a little like racist and ablest for like not fully trustings and child difficult, Like it just seems so dated to watch the cliches in that character and you know what that reminded me of also,

which is not an erotic thriller, but falls into the blonde sociopath genre. Along with this and the Paranis document as the Bad Seed. Obviously, tessin his favorite movie about a dead eyed blonde sociopath. Um, there's like a handyman in that who like figures out what's going on before everybody else. Yeah. Well, I think it's also just like people who are in your house, you know, like you make the decision to trust them and it can just

easily prove to be a bad decision. But that's also true of like, you know, the people in your family, if you really want to think that, depending on out even your parents in some cases. Exactly. Wow, what a movie. Such a movie. Before we sign off, do you guys feel like taking one tiny little last night call. Yeah? Sure. You were talking about the Langaliers this week, and I just wanted to note that, um, it was filmed in

my hometown. Basically, Um, Stephen King is from Maine, and so this is filmed in manga main and all of the celebrities, which I mean, I don't know I really qualifies, but the actress in the movie we're staying in the area. Um, which is how I met you know, Brompton, Pin Show, balkybar Takomas. One of the most exciting celebrity encounters of my life. Um, and it was a real exciting time

for us. And I did write a review of it for my high school newspaper and I remember not liking it, so I might have to revisit it based off always recommend thanks as always. But I guys, you are too uh born and raised Angelino kids, so maybe not born. I came here in high school and okay, okay, so but you you grew up, you spent some of your you're you're growing up years New York like the same same diff anyway, you guys both came from the big city. Uh so maybe a movie filming in your hometown is

not necessarily the exciting thing. But I got very excited about all the porn shoots in the valley always. Uh those are those are open sets, right, you can just like walk in. Just exciting. I'm you know, the glamor of Hollywood. Um, what what did you see being filmed? Emily? If did you have an experience? Well, I know, well I was I wanted to talk about this just because of this movie being shot in Tacoma, Washington and Seattle, like two places that I grew up, and also the

Pacific Northwest being used for a lot of things. In Iowa, a movie shot there, like I feel like the Summer that I moved there, um, which is not a well known movie, but it was like a thing that everybody knew about for like years called UM or no, it

was called White Boys came out. So yeah, I was shooting the Summer that we moved there, and it's like a movie that nobody has ever heard of about, like White Wrappers, UM, but it was weirdly well known around there, just because it was a movie that shot in Iowa City. Weirdly a book that actually took place in Iowa City and they made a movie up. I don't think shot

there was um Jesus Son. But I also remember in Los Angeles, like early in me living there, being very tickled to live on the street where they would like shoot all the um New York set things in l A. Because I looked down the street that looked like New York. So it was very Uh. A lot of times there were just you would kind of just transform and suddenly like look like New York in the winter, which was

always fun. Um they shot like an HBO movie. I feel like in Tacoma when I was a kid that I auditioned for actually that I never heard anything else about afterwards, but um, it would happen every once in a while around Seattle and Tacoma, people shoot a lot of commercials on our on the street that I live on, and um, I am in a union, but more importantly of really cute dog and I keep I've always had the dream that my dog, though she is untrainable because

she is old and cannot hear, will be like scouted because I'm like, I don't want my kids to act like their children. They have jobs, which is like school and just being children. I don't particularly Dren you're growing up. I don't necessary I don't. I don't think I'm going

to be scouted and probably win, but the dog. And so what I'll do is if someone this happens, like people shoot on our street, I would say twice a month, I always try and time my dog walking for that during the shoot, and then I like linger in front of the shoot location and I'll be like good dogs Sadie well, you're such a you're just such a good dog. Try and up sell the dog. It's never worked, you know. As soon as I start moving on, I'm so mad at them, like a terrible taste, even if they don't

need a dog in their commercials. Aid to Hollywood and Vine to be discovered, she's a beautiful counter just just but also, um, we should take her to Melrose sometime and do a Instagram dog shoot with her. I would love for her to be a late in life dog. That's the thing is that she should be like, you know, the equivalent of an advanced She can be like our pod dog. Okay, so, but we would love to hear

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