Dumb Drinking Blood Stuff with Alie Ward

we're very excited about is Ali Ward. Eight Daytime Emmy Award winning correspondent for Innovation Nation with Mo Rocca and the host of the Oologies podcast, which is one of the top twenty science podcast as in the world and it's amazing. You have to listen to Ologies. Every episode is an interview with an ologist of some kind. Um. So it covers a lot of different topics and it's really cool. And Al was also we've known it for a long time. We were excited to have her on

the podcast today currently blushing um. So we were going to start out just welcoming Emily back from can Bonjeur A bon sir, I guess I should say for um for the Night callers out there, Emily how jet lagged are you? Oh, I'm I'm actually fine right now. Not gond Last last year I was jet lagged in a way I've never been in my life. That lasted for about an hour or not an hour a week, uh, and I felt like I was underwater the entire time.

Maybe last time it was an hour, but it felt like a week, because yeah, that's actually totally possible in my recollection of it. Well, Richard Lawson was also coming back from can and he was doing some really good tweets about jet lag that we're like, the best way to get through jet lag is to renounce the idea of time. That's very true. No, I spent a lot of time with with Richard and and can can is.

This is the third time I went, And it's kind of like a weird summer camp with more ball gowns and you kind of have to have those people that you hold onto is your pillars of sanity. And Richard was definitely one of those people for me there, so I'm I'm grateful to him as always. Um, but yeah, it was it was a very straight I did see

some movies I saw. I saw not quite as many as I think I usually do it's It was sort of an odd year, um at least in terms of American coverage of films, because there's there were a fewer things that I think like a lot of American audiences

care about, which is whatever. Black. I still saw some like good movies, but ones that are hard to like tell people about because it's just like I just round a description of the Gas for No A movie, and I was like, that's you, guys, the Gas Barny movie was the best movie it can and I am so excited for you to see it. The description was like a bunch of people get together, drink sangria and go insane. That's it. That's basically it. Uh it's but it's really incredible.

I mean, this is if if if I'm going to talk about one movie on night Call, It's going to be this movie because it feels appropriate for us. It's like one of the only things that came out of immediately was like on Twitter trying to hype up because I was so excited about it. Um he cast this. I think it had to be almost thirty dancers um that are sort of this ensemble and they're led by Sophia Boutella of Uh, what Kingsman, she was the Mummy. She's the New Mummy and the terrible New Mummy movie

that nobody she's Yeah, it's a lady Mummy. Yeah she has face tests shot as hell. Yeah. I would see bullowards and I was like, I don't want to see the movie, but I like her hair. So she is awesome in it. And the movie is garbage, but she's

amazing in it. But Climax, it's just like it kind of it's I also thought after I saw it, it's sort of like a mother for me because it involves like dance sequences and uh, psychotic freakouts and and LSD and stuff, and it very much isn't that kind of thing of like a thing that seems sort of normal at first quickly turns into chaos and like children aren't risk and stuff like that. I think I told you and tests privately, but I wanted debut this fact on

the podcast because it's amazing. I interviewed Hero Murai, the director of This Is America the video, for The New York Times, and he said that one of the main things that inspired the This Is American video was the end of Mother Mother Hive. Allie did you see mother? Y'all? I haven't seen mummy. I haven't seen mother, I haven't seen anything else from the people. I need to break a femur or a collar bone and a ski accident just up. Do you want us to misery you? Is

that what you're saying? Yes, I'd like you to break at least one of my ankles and just let me chill out misery. But podcast dummy garage, as long as it's consentual, this would be a great place to missery somebody. It would I like, maybe I would missery and somebody just to make them watch the entire Marvel cinematic universe.

So statistic, there's also a really plausible like misery podcaster scenario where somebody's like the Cappy Bates who like finds Mark Marin and change them to the bed, makes me do a podcast talk to me to play Misty for me. I feel like I mentioned play Missy for me on this podcast a lot, because that's what all podcasting. It's really hard to not think of play Misty for me when you're talking into a microphone being like your strange days and lonely nights. Guys. One thing that happened while

Emily was in Can that we texted about. She texted us about it from Can because it was it was an emergency situation. Agency was the met Ball debut of Elon Musk and Grimes. I can't believe you guys didn't talk about this when when we were off or when I was or considerate friends. Yeah. I mean I really appreciate that because I feel like so much they're still dating, you know, Are you sure? Have you checked today? Yeah?

She changed. There was another story about changing her name to a lower class c. Bet Ali has feelings about this as a person who cares about science and also probably hates Delon. Well, here's the thing. So her name is Claire, but she changed her her first name because she's like, I've never felt like a Claire ever since I was born. I just didn't feel like a Claire. And it's like anyone with the name Claire, I immediately assume you were born rich, like you have a trust fund.

Your name of Claire, you have a trust fund? And Oliver being the male equivalent of Claire. Yes, Charles Hunter, Hunter, you're right. Hunter. My friend got me into the reality show Made in Chelsea, which is the British equivalent of the pilt and it's like TV zann X. Yeah, it's so zannex to because everyone has British vocal fry and so boring and posh. But literally the name, the main girl's name is Caggi Taggi dunlop, oh my god, the name of the Elsie um. And she's very charming. She's

just like Elsie. She's like the down to earth rich um. But I feel like, if your name is Claire, she's like, I gotta get away from this. Let's let's go full till the opposite way. Let's call myself Grimes. And then I think she just decided to change her first name to the lower case ce italicized, which is the which is like the Roman yeah, the word for light, which I saw. A friend of mine who's an astrophysicists tweeted like, is this something cute? Because Elon Musk is like mc

so mc and you know, equals what if. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. But there was also that there was that meme going around that was like this is what every kinky Polly couple looking for a third It's like totally true. They're totally into the choker, the like the the collering, it's all like it's so gross. I want none of it. But like, just don't let him keep pouring your glasses and wine and at dinner party he's just disgusting and he's like a terrible person.

It's the real issue. But don't, Sugar, how do you really feel? I feel like I'm like, if she has any friends who are smart, like I want them to just like Slipper the stuff about the like union stuff, because that's what makes them so bad is that he's like anti union. People die in the factories and people die in the self driving cars, and he doesn't want

to release the numbers of the safety statistics. Part of the hell world that we live in is it's like anyone you ever wrote like a positive like music review about because I come back to haunt you, I don't. I can't listen to music about Elon Musk. That's like Darcy had that tweet that was just like I am

so mad. I just realized I'm gonna have to listen to love songs, but you don't have to listen to it when that happens, like, uh, friend of the Pod Alex Papaimis has said that the funniest thing about like Joanna Newsom songs is remembering that they're about Andy Sandberg. You know, well some of them are about Bill Callen. Uh no, I I so I actually Ellen and Grimes

worked their way into a review of mine. It can because there's a movie that's really good that is like I think other people are way more like hyperbolically in love with this movie than I am. But this Korean

movie called Bernie is based on Americami short story. But um, there's sort of this idea in it that's like played to really creepy effect of just this rich guy kind of like vampireing the youthful creative like desperate energy off of this kind of younger um in her case, like really poor girl and just like being amused by her striving and wanting to be like communicate something and be different and just sort of like watching her and like

sucking energy. I was like, this is the most recent example of us, even though I don't I don't I don't think that she is like, you know, hurting in any way financially, but she's not that young. She's like almost thirty, I think, And it's not like quite. I mean he's he's older than I thought I think too or something. I feel bad that what if she was what if she was born just into like a lower middle class family that just like she siler, she wasn't okay?

But yeah, I had a friend that went to the rent Fair this weekend and this is the first time he's been sober ever, and so he's like, it's real different when you're sober, usually just like blind drunk. When he goes, and I was like, are you having fun? And he's like, it's very community theater and he's like everyone here looks like Elon Musk and Grimes. It's all true, and I gets nerdy renfair couples. I love her in the context of the Rent Fair, but something about this

which is like techno fascist rest, that's the problem. You no thanks, So you know she's gonna find his like basement full of dead wives, like any moment, they're all going to be robots though. Yeah, I mean, I just wonder if if amber Heard has reached out yet and if they've compared any notes. Look, you know, I hope this is all part of an Ocean's eight where it's

like I like that idea. Everybody like, yeah, that's why I was like, I hope the Amber heard is like hoisting him for her girlfriend, and you know, do what you have to do to divest guys. Speaking of goths, we got a request to talk about the goths of Disneyland. And what better subject for a night call than talking about the goths of Disneyland. Combining all of our interests.

The timely peg is that Disneyland is screwing over the goths of Disneyland because they don't care about them, and they don't care about fans of Disneyland obviously, and they just want to make all the Marvel stuff in the park and force it all, force out all the real people, to which my feeling is like, build a separate park, build a Marvel park, don't turn Disneyland into just the all Marvel and Star Wars park, because I personally don't care.

Probably it's still Disneyland. They still have to pay to get into it. It's not like it's not like a neighborhood, not a neighborhood utopia. No, But you know, it's like the things I find charming about it are like the fandoms and stuff like that fandom for Disneyland has always been like, by far the best Disneyland fandom. Why would Yeah, I've never been a bad stay, but I did. I

did grow up. I started dyeing my hair black at like twelve, and my have very curly hair, and my sisters would sing Share songs to me to taught me, and I was like no. Every time I hear like if I could turn back time in like a store or something, I just start getting flashbacks to um. I was just going to mention Share because I was going to mention Moonstrack in the context Elon Muskin Grimes, because there's that power where it's like, why do men chase

young women because they were afraid of death? Yes, and that's what I think is going on with Elon Muskin Grimes. I do think he is vampiring on her for her, like her non non Elon Muskiness. I bet they do dumb drinking blood stuff. I bet they do dumb boken me and Grove like Orgies with the rich and powerful boring orgies. Orgies, Orgies. Ali, why were you so golf?

You know? I grew up in this town that was wealthier than we were, but had good schools and So there were people like like Hill the guard in my high school and I just transferred there in sixth grades, and I's like, you've never been to a Benetton store. You don't have anything Benettit Your kids like no, And so I think I just was like, well fucked, I'm not gonna I'm not going to assimilate that way. So

I'm just gonna go head the other directions. So I was like, all right, I only where old military things I get from just from thrift stores. Before you know, it's a slippery slope. You're wearing a black eyeliners lipstick. You guys, how long? How long was this period of your life? Probably like thirteen to like two commitment. I know, I went to l A and was like, oh, I guess it doesn't work here. It's just is the best place to be a golf I didn't know that I

didn't find my people yet. I I remember I drove down to like go to Helter Skelter a couple of times when I was like in college, but I never went to a bad day, but it always I found it very endearing that so many goths would congregate in the daylight, because that is not of course that's not so many parasols. Yeah. I love that picture of the Cure at the beach. I've never seen it. It's so funny. They're the Cure, but they're at the beach and they

look so uncomfortable. I think it's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, And that to me is like the so called so cow goth, because I'll go I think there is a thing where people go in this beach goth direction where you're like, I'm going to wear all the clothes because who expects that in a hundred degree weather, at least of all you wearing all the clothes. That's what I mean. It's hard to be GoF here because it's like what do you do? Like the black tank talk, just like pastel goth.

I mean, my real the real reason I could never be the go because I tried. I tried in seventh grade. I was like, I'm gonna be goth, but I like, I don't like wearing black, And every time I wear black, I'm like this is I always feel like I'm gonna have to go to a coral performance. Yeah, there's some of that. I mean, I was like a closet goth kind of in a very literal sense, like I had a closet that had a bunch of goth stuff in it that was no, by no means my daily wardrobe.

But everyone WoT I did have a goth closet. I had like knee high lace up boots that were like pointy and had like a heel that I couldn't walk in. I had all these like black petticoats and like, uh, like anything that my grandma had that I could take, like inherited from her that was black. I would take so all this sort of like decrepit lacy ship and every once in a while I would have a goth day, which was always a great uh source of self expression.

I think I wanted to be able to commit more to being a goth, but I also wanted to like do other things too. But gods hate Halloween just because there are a lot of people who are like looking gods today and you're like every day And it was always like I remember I was in college, my first year of college, and I can't walked into my dorm room and my not goth roommate was wearing all of my clothes and she's like from and Louena, I'm you,

but sexy, like it was very it's rude. She ended up not being a great roommate, but shocker, I what an assholet but sexy, like I know, I know. I was like, well, I wasn't virgin, and I did say magic and gathering a lot, so she had a point. I was in the way I were a lot of Nobody got laid more in college than the people who played magic the Gathering, at least at our calls. The Larbers had like the biggest sex scene. They were all every weekend too. It was like, you have no plans,

but the Larbers do. They're not invited. That's exactly what you lartin was like the most uninhibited thing you can do in public in a group. I feel like it's a really good precursor to sex. It's also the thing where Polly people sometimes are just like talking really loudly about all the stuff they do, and you're like, this is gross to hear about. I don't want to really think about you guys all fucking like sorry, it's fine

that you do it. But I do feel though, like but with bad stay, I feel very proud of them that they didn't organize that around Halloween, like Halloween is for amateurs. We're doing this in the spring. And also it was toward June, right, which is like June gloom happened, but they stopped organizing it, right. No, what happened was they don't have the money to keep the like the stuff,

the bonus stuff going. They still have it basically where it's like the day, but they did this whole like fair around it where people could sell all their like oh, Haunted Mansion art and stuff and kitchy Disneyland goth stuff. So sad they're gonna have to don's Very Farm, you know, I mean that's very I was gonna say that's way better for god. Very Farm is the goth is placed on it's so it's actually awesome. And I interviewed Alvira there, and I went and saw Elvira there. It's amazing and

she's like the ultimate like so cow goth. And then when I interviewed her, like she was like, I used to have a really goth house that was all like spider stuff everywhere and like just you know, dark and gloomy, and she's like, and now I have like a beautiful, airy like California home with like little devils everywhere and I was like, oh, California goth and she was like, yes, exactly, Like that's so maybe they need to do Goth Scary

Farm or something, or Goth's Ferry Farm. Halloween Horror Knights is amazing. I've never I have okay, I've never been, and I thought I was too scared to go, and then I went and it was so fun. I didn't even do any of the mazes. I just walked through the scare zones, which is like they just pump horror fog at your people come up behind you and go like mull um, and it was really fun. I can appreciate it, even though it's like, really not my pleasure

center to be touched by people. They don't touch you, that's that's always they touch you, but they get so close. They get so close, but they're so indie it is really community. I don't know. I went to the Haunted hay Ride last year in this scary clown with a chainsack but got right in my face and the number when he looked like zac Alfanakis, which was adorable. I'm

not scared of you. You look amazing, and he had such fresh breath that it ruined it so minty, like you need to smell like lentils and call really scared of you don't like that, you know. So I was like, I heard it was scary. Though I heard that that one I almost took my five year old and I was like, no, what am I doing. He's afraid of coraline, Like, I'm not on the show him that it's pretty scary. Actually, yeah, the button eyes are scary. There's it also is like

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listen in campaign dot org. That's listen in campaign all one word dot org. Go to listen in campaign dot org to give the gift of hearing today. Test where you ever go. I was very briefly GoF in I think seventh grade and I but I was. It was just aesthetically GoF. So I dyed my hair block in my bedroom, like the bathroom that was attached to it, so my parents couldn't find out. And then they saw the next obviously they found out and they were like yikes.

And I would like slick back my black hair and I had like almost no eyebrows. I was just putting it out front because they made at my school, they made us there was like compulsory um, team sports and long days and just not my vibe at all. So I think I was just kind of advertising like I'm not into any of this, you know, besides outfits. What was the most goth thing that you all were into

when in your goth phase? Like, I don't know if this counts as goth, but Tessa that I were witches and we had a cover, we had a coven, we had a coven for like years. It was like years. Okay, it felt like three that it was one. It was all year and then there were like some internal difficulties. Yeah, we did some spells. Some of them work, some of them didn't, and all came out in the wash. Yeah, like was there like a monkey's pow thing where it came to hit you in the face. Later, I mean

I had to date. I was like, I need a boyfriend to make it happen. And then I got a boyfriend and was like not that one, not that one, and then I had to break up with them. So that was the monkey's paw. I mean, I don't really like we did a lot of like burning of incense, like ritual candles. It was like the craft had just come out and list teenage girls. Jesus Christ, I need some power. I'm trying to think now. I don't know if it counts, but I was really into Francisco Leo

block books. Um, it sort of counts. It's like more goth fairy stuff. There was a comic that I used to have that was so stupid in retrospect, but I really loved it. Um called gloom Cookie that they sold it hot topic that I was really into. Um, I know, I remember it took place in New Orleans, but it was just like kind of this like goth soap opera and like the guys all dressed like fops and it was a brief interest of mine, like the Sandman and stuff like that. I read some x P sure, uh,

Jake Hank's been talking about Scott a lot. Oh yeah, like Twitter account. Yeah. I was also like, kid, maybe I'll be Scott. No, you couldn't know. It's really hard to stick with the SKA. Yeah, it's a limited realm, Like what are your activities are? What's the gathering of the juggalos for Scott Ska fans? Like what are they? Orange County? Probably also not very farm again. Yeah, no, it's like still alive. There was this super weird part of Disneyland for a while in California Adventure that was

like nineties rave themed. It was like this matter and it was literally like nineties southern California rave themed because Alice in Wonderland and like Lava Lamps and they had a No Doubt cover band that was like, you know, the Gwen Stefano fake Gwen Stefani is Alice and then the band did. They just played Tragic Kingdom over and over and they also played like songs from Now But

it was like the perfect Southern California experience. In my early twenties, I dated a guy in a ska band and uh, I'm sorry and someone asked me like, oh, what does he do? And I remember being like, oh, that's a percussionist and they're like, he's a drummer and I was like, yeah, I'm like some still embarrassed that I tried to make. Should we take a night call? Yeah, we could take a night call. We haven't one about Catalina Island? Is that right? We do HI night call?

It's twelve of six in Chicago, prime nighttime hours, and I was just wondering what you're going to spots were on Catalina Island, especially since all of you have lived in Los Angeles at one point or another. Catalina is such a weird convergence of Hollywood history. Was the fact that there's so many buffalo roaming around from when they filmed westerns on the island, as well as haunted ghosts.

Because also it was a place where all they would stars went to vacation so I was just wondering what you're going to just stops for on Catalina and all of the weird legends arounding it. Thanks and happy night college goes. We love you, Matt. Yeah, thank you so much for that call. Yeah. I just google ghost stories for hunted Catalina. They guess, I guess they have a lot of ghost tours on Catalina Island. I I didn't really know about that, but I did go to Catalina

once and found it to be kind of ghost town ish. Um. I don't know if there's a high season for Catalina Island, but whenever I went, it definitely was not that. Have we all been to Catalina? Yeah, you didn't go. Yeah, we had to go on a retreat for school. Um, Molly did not go. And I remember Molly at the last minute didn't go, and I saw her like out of the bus window and I was like, Molly, no, well you gotta get on the bus and she didn't. And then I like cried on the way to Catalina.

And then it was like I think that actually that may have been the retreat with the with the mosquitoes. No, you know what that was the next year, at the Colorado River where they were like, hey, there's like a bunch of mosquitoes and they bit they were biting people on the face and they were like should we go home? And half the people were like please, let's go home, and half the people were like, no, it's important that

we stay. And I was like, funk these people. But in a way, yeah, I went to Catalina for that, Ali have you I went. I went in uh in college with my boyfriend at the Times family, and uh, I found porn in the woods there. No, I did find some porn in the woods. Were like, let's go for a hun and then it was just like a stash of like warped, water logged porn in the forest.

Catalina is weird because it's it's a legitimate desert island, like and it's it is bizarre that you see these wild animals who are like they were just kind of dumped there, you know, like, I guess we'll make a go of it on this weird little island. I've been on both sides of Catalina. There's like the Avalon is the fancy side, the fancy side of the tourist town. And then I went camping on the camping side, which is really cool. There's like a harbor called the Shark

Harbor or something. Uh. There's like a beach you can camp on. Uh, and you see buffalo and they're like beach foxes and stuff, and it's very It's pretty cool. I got some hot gossip on the buffalo though. Oh please, they're on the pill. What there's yeah, check me, but yeah, biologists so that they will die out, or so that they won't overpopulate, so that they won't because there are no natural predators on I'm pretty sure that they're an'll pop on the pill like a bunch of feminist ladies.

That's crazy. Definitely, apple On feels super haunted because there is like a haunted ballroom, there's a lot of deco stuff, and the fact that it is kind of like ghost towny most of the year. I think summer is the big season, but even then it's like there's some people that live on the island, but mostly I think it's just people who work on the island. And on the camping side, it's even more. There's like a town with like two things in it, so I'm looking for stuff

about ghosts there and some people. I mean, I guess obviously think that Natalie Wood haunts the beach, right, yeah, I guess I never thought about like where that actually boat trip was. I mean it really Catalina. I think it was off Catalina. They were they were voting around Catalina. Has Christopher Walkin been back to Cataline at all? Wasn't he involved? Wasn't he on the boat? He knows something?

He maybe doesn't know anything. They also say that scuba divers I guess there was like a mining tunnel around there at some point the collapse, and scuba divers who have been said to have heard the screams of the miners who died in the collapse tunnel. They tend to find these really crazy sea serpents called or fish out there because they're normally like in the deep sea, and then when they start to die, they just float up and they're like fuck fuck, and then they die on Catalina.

So it's it is a dying ground, it's a dying destination. More fish are like the coolest, scariest looking thing, Like if you saw one of those, oh god, oh yeah it looks like an alien. Yeah, how big are they They're just like they look like crazy. They're not in their fish, they're not serpents, but people. They looked like a giant sea serpent. Yeah, they and they they have these crazy red spikes on like a mohawk. It's very really them there to they float up. Whoa, that's fascinating.

But where do you find that out? You know, there's a big preserved or fish at the museum and I used to volunteer. Was just going to say, there's a terrifying preserved one at the Natural East Museum. Yeah, but I do feel like Catalina's like has the ghosts of a lot of like postwar unreported sexual assault fuel tins, you know what I mean, Like a bunch of Hollywood creepiness. Right, when you only share the space of a few buffalo then maybe your spirit comes through a little more strongly

or something. I mean. It's also like all of those areas obviously have a very strong like hey, this was native land and now right it's not, and then we made it look like it just we just found it this way. Right now, there's a Buco to Beppo there and you're like Alato shop and you're like whoops, yeah, yeah, we we just love talking about Bucca to Beppo. We could have Beppo. Please sponsor us um giant meat ball. Yeah, hey, guys, you want to take another nightcall, But this one's a

night email. Yeah. Sure, it says nightcall about fears. Hello, nightcall, ladies. My boyfriend has a fear of dolls, but I've been collecting them since I was a little girl. I only have three small ones in our current apartment. The rest have been stored at my mom's house until I have more room for them. My mom is in the process of moving, though, and I want to move my dolls and to assume to be empty room with the apartment. My boyfriend said no that I have nowhere else from

my creepy friends to go. What should I do with my ghoulish antiques? Oh my god, I just heard a story from somebody who shall not be named um about of tinder date. I think that M wound up at the person's home and uh, and you know, after after welcoming the person inside, they the first room they stepped into was the doll room. Uh. And it was it was the first day and they were kind of out some we're sort of remote, I think, like you know,

red Hook or whatever. So it was like, should I take an expensive uver or just try to stick this out? But I don't think they. I think they stick it out left and become a do This email comes from Hannah with the porcelain dolls is how she wishes to be known. But wait, you're leaving out one detail. Any of them are child sized. That was important to me and very quote endearing. I can't imagine why he wouldn't

want to live with them. Oh boy, I mean the tone of this email is confusing to me because I can't tell if she is like it sounds almost like she's at a point of acceptance where she knows she does have to get rid of her grulish antiques. Uh, she doesn't have. I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of self awareness in this, so I'm wondering which way she wants to be steered. I mean, I'm not a person who's immediately put off by the idea of a lot of dolls, but I imagine that there

are many people who are. So I guess you know, your vibe attracts your tribe, etcetera. Um, she's gonna attract her doll. Try Is there anything that any of your significant others have owned that you're like, no, put back away, please.

And then there's also bubble heads, which I have referred to as dolls, even though they are technically I've been told they're technically not dolls, they're bubble heads, and they say because my husband was bringing them home for our kids, being like, see, look, I'm just giving them to them to hang on too, but they're still mine. Don't worry about it. And then on the back of the bubble heads is like, not a toy, not not for children, not a toy kids with bubble heads. No, No, they don't, No,

they don't. I don't know. I mean it's I feel like one of the hardest things about combining living with somebody is being like, you can't just put your stuff wherever you want and do things like have weird collections necessarily because if space is at a premium and you're like, this whole room is for the dolls, you can't have a whole room for anything. Yeah, I think, I mean depends on where you live, I guess. I mean, even

if you lived in a in a huge mansion. But I'm like, if you did live in a huge mansion and you lived alone, or you like owned the house and had roommates and you were like, this room is where the dolls live. That would be fun, would it? Would you live in a house that had a room for only dolls. But if I were a person who was into having dolls and had, you would expect your roommates to be okay with it. I feel like you wouldn't have roommates at that point if you live in

a me look alone in a mansion with my dolls. Okay, Well, here's the thing. If the dolls are haunted, they are roommates. That's true, exactly true. You have a commune. Yeah, good to pay rent. I have an idea, which is that, well, depending on your living situation. This is exactly why addicts were invented. And adding is not a habitable room, right, Like, you can't live in an addict. I really thought you meant an addict, because an addiction like I mean, but

this is the thing about addicts. And I know this from my mom's story and her her childhood dolls in my grandma's attic, is it depending on where you live, they can really get fucked up in the attic, Like the plastic camel, the paint can get really degraded. It can be not so great for the preservation of your doll friends. So I don't know if I feel like

basements are maybe a safer bet. The thing is like, if you have a room for dolls, is that room for you to bring guests through and be like, welcome to my doll room, or is it for you at home alone to be like, Oh, I've had a stressful day, I'm going to spend some time in the doll room. Well,

that's what I'm saying. Is I believe in the idea of like a personal room of like just things that make you feel you know, whatever that means, because like, Ali, do you have any like weird science stuff in your home. I have only weird science stuff at my home, but everything it's all been I have like microscopes and dead bugs and stuff. So I mean I have a dead bug collection that this sailed right over my head when we were like, dude and you're significant others collector anything grows.

I'm like, I have dead cicadas like on my walnuts, but I have a leaf tool in the bathroom. Well this guys, yes, But I do feel like Number one, if you have a room for dolls. I feel like it's just like like no calorie hoarding. It's like Splenda. It's like hoarding but made with Splenda, where you're like, okay,

but it's kind of isn't that all collecting? Yes, kind of, which is like you have to pick your battles and just you have to make sure that it doesn't get too far to where you're sixty and you're like, I now have the doll home. It's a trailer in your backyard. Have you guys ever seen the House on the Rock? It's like a weird museum in somewhere Wisconsin. Okay, it's just all doll rooms. It's like a room full of

like yeah, it's an annual game book. It's there's like a room of like carousel animals and a room of like like player pianos test is making on subscu drive somehow came full circle to the goth conversation because um an early pastime me having just come to l A and not knowing what to do and still being kind

of a pseudo goth. With my boyfriend at the time that I moved out with, we would drive around Los Angeles at night in his like following apart Cadillac and listen a lot of times either to the Twin Peaks soundtrack or to the soundtrack from House on the Rock, which is just spooky organ music. Basically the plays in the house. It's just like the player piano equivalent of an organ basically um. And that was that was our vibes. So I guess, I guess I am a goth at heart.

I have another I have two more ideas for to solve this problem really quick that I'm doing over. Okay, I need, we need solutions because we're just we're just hot takes on it. Well, I think one way to acknowledge that you don't need to preserve something in a

physical way to like carry with you. Is there no way that you could make like a movie right about the dolls, almost like you're just self producing a documentary and then you have that story and you can selve the dolls, or you can dig a hole in your floor and put the dolls in a coffin down there. I was gonna say, dull graveyard, doll graveyard. I have to say I'm more scared of burying dolls and having their angry spirits come back up than letting them live

in peace on a shelf somewhere. Like I'd rather if the shelf was in the basement, but they were still out and in the air. I would feel what if you put them in storage, but first you take pictures. You have to take pictures and the glamour shots on the wall in the doll room, and then the doll room can still be a functional room. Yes, it's a doll gallery, now do I love? You can kind of treat it like Day of the Dead, but for dolls, a little bit like putting dollar there oles when you

take the photograph. Yeah, but you have to do it with an old timey wind up camera that takes forty five minutes. Yea one of those cameras that shoots out of pop of smoke when you take or speaking of the puff of smoke and the fog and Not Scary Farm, we could tie this all together. You could pitch this as a pop up to Not Scary Farm with your dolls, and then they'd be out of the house for like maybe you could even say like half the year store them there. I'm gonna say, with one more idea, you

got to find another boyfriend who is into dolls. Yeah, this is weirdly relevant. But I also interviewed Floria Sigismondi, who's the director who sort of invented like haunted doll music videos. She Marilyn Manson video for The Beautiful People that has some haunted dolls in it. I think she did White Orchid for White Strips, and Fiona apples on

a lot of really good. Yeah, she's great, and she's like an adult go like a business off, you know, like she's so cool and like, uh, she made like a setting for the interview that had a lot of props from her home and a lot of them were haunted dolls that she has and like you know, dolls with the face half off and stuff. And so I asked her at one point, like, are other people who come over or stay over like creeped up by the

haunted dolls? And she was like I don't find them creepy at all, but yeah, like other people too, like kids who sleep over sometimes find them a little scary. You just yeah, and Molly, you just flipped it for me. Like when it was a pastel doily, like a country print curtain room, I got very scared. But when it turned into like rubs on me, like the Dolden goth type of a sitch. I'm now, I'm down with you

just now. And now it seems like, oh yeah, like put up some deteriorating Victorian furniture in there too, Now

it's cool. Oh, speaking of dolls, by the way, Molly found something very interesting, yeah, related to last week's pod, which is the spooky doll that some they sent us that they saw doing a real estate house call that they take photographs of houses, and they sent us this terrifying doll that they saw in a bedroom and it was a goat stall g TZ and so we looked up goatstalls and it turns out they were the original

mold for American girl dolls. Also, so the first batch of like Kirston's and Samantha's or whatever, we're all goats dolls. And then as soon as I read that, I was like, oh yeah, it looks just like just like Kirsten with scary red eyes. Guys, what a great night call. This was so much fun. Thank you for coming by, Ali. Yeah, we wanted to say thank you so much Alie for coming by. And if you haven't, definitely check out Ali's podcast ologies Ologies link to it got to do a dologies. Yeah,

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