Downer 70s Ending Entourage with Jack O'Brien

I'm excited to be here. I'm a big fan of the show, and I was saying before we started recording, super intimidated by last week's guest because I have not seen any ghosts, let alone like thirty Richard Rushfield has definitely out ghosted everyone here. But Jack is the co host of the wonderful daily Zeitgeist on How Stuff Works. It's a daily podcast that really you guys talk about pretty much everything. We try to cover it all and

it's really awesome. Molly and I were lucky enough to guest a little while ago, so we were very thrilled to have Jack here to very excited that Jack is here for our Star is Born special. Wait, I asked a question, Jack, how do you do a daily podcast? Because I feel like it's I mean, it just seems like such an amazing feat to do it logistically. Yeah, we we were both came in this morning talking about like what we did for self care over the weekend

because last week was brutal. Yeah, I saw a Star is Born for my self care, and I feel like a lot of people's Yeah, yeah, exactly. My co host ate a bunch of horrible food. So what kind of horrible food? Because we do talk about that on the podcast. It's like, you know, we have it. We are not supposed to talk about the horrible food though, Okay, we got, we got, we gotta okay, But that was that was specifically about one condiment. We did a deep into that

condiment on our show as well. Yeah, now we're talking about just that condiment. I just want to know what Jack and Miles think. We more did a deep dive on the article that brought it to everyone's attention, just did a close reading and tried to kind of get get a feel for the author and her intentions. Jack I'm in between or I am situational, Emily, you know, speaking of all the real news. Um, Emily, you went

to d C this weekend. I did. I made a very spur of the moment decision to go to d C um after seeing Stars Born, after having my self care on Friday, and uh, I had some frequent Flyer miles to burn, and you know, I don't have no I'm not saving up for anything in particular. So I was like, what are these four if not to go um be physically present at politically at a moment of despair and heartbreak. So that's what I did. I went to d C by myself and basically just for the day.

I had a return flight for the next day. And then I was so exhausted by like six o'clock or whenever they were actually swearing him in that I kind of was like, I can't. I can then I'll sticking around here. I gotta get out of Dodge um. And that's like also like even just walking from the Supreme Court to the train station to get the amtrack back, like, I started to see like parties, like celebratory parties happening, and I was like, nope, nope, no, I'm getting out

of here. Um. But I got there. I got in it. Like. Um, I actually got to the Supreme Court where they were doing this sort of like people's filibuster thing where um, kind of the crowd was gathering and they had a megaphone and they were just like letting people take their turns tell their's survival stories or you know, like any story basically about not being listened to or her as women or as trans women, or as like literally anybody

and um. And that started in the morning, and then once they were taking the vote, everybody went over to the Capital. A bunch of people got arrested for like going on the steps. Um. I did not get arrested. Um. I I made the calculation in my mind that it was not worth it that time to get arrested. I heard later, I'm not sure if this is true or not that I heard a rumor the people who were arrested wouldn't be released until Tuesday because Monday is a holiday. Yes,

I heard that also. That was that was that was what the word was around there. I mean it was it was pretty crazy. I mean I didn't go up on the steps of the Capitol building because I went to go get food because I was very hungry at that point. Um. But when I came back, everybody was kind of they brought like a tour bus, like the police had a like a tour like a coach bus for bringing away like taking the people who got arrested away. It was like a hundred and fifty people or something

got arrested. Um. It was nuts. Uh. And then you you came home and drowned your sorrows and the stars point before I know, before I was like, yeah I did. On Friday night, I saw it again, uh and it was great. Um. I love Stars Born. We'll get into it a second. And I was also like, okay, I

did my escapism like Friday evening. Now I've got to go because I just anticipated sitting around in my apartment on Saturday when they confirm him and just feeling like so useless and miserable and so in many ways, it was a self decision to go to wash think. So I was just like, if I'm at home, I'm just gonna just start start pounding the wine. And that's like the most oppressing thing I can think of right now. So um, I'd rather be there. Um and like around

people who were genuinely pretty inspiring. Like there's a woman there is from Planned Parenthood who was sort of like she was kind of the person who was telling us what was happening as it was happening inside the Capital Building and inside the sure and Corps, like as he was getting confirmed in everything, and you know, being super real with everybody, but also like just so determined about like this is not over, like we're going to keep fighting every step in the of the way for everything.

And it was just like I was, I was very grateful to be around that and all the very real emotion that was going on there instead of like in my Brooklyn apart crying being sad about I mean I was crying there too, but you were crying about Bradley Cooper there. How tragic. Thank you for going to d C it and whatever. It's like, you know, I didn't know it was nice too for for Molly and me because you know, you were sharing what was going on with us, and it was you know, it does feel

very isolating. I think to watch these things play out if you are not able to put your body there, you know, it's hard because I think I definitely wish I had been there and it, you know, it was nice solidarity system solidarity. Yeah, oh well, you know, I mean I figured that that would be the reason I

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company run by conservative white guys. In fact, I think I may have been an equal opportunity employment higher now the I think of it. Part of me wants to find a place to work where I can have arguments about things like the value of rap beefs instead of the value of wrap itself. I don't want to live in a bubble, or do I. It should be said that this company has been good to me overall. I'm not leaving because I'm uncomfortable. More, I'm looking to try

something new, and it's something I'm thinking about going forward. Also, for a brief time in America, hippos were going to be the answer to our food shortage. Happy night, call, oh Jack, what do you think? Um? Yeah, I think a lot about bubbles living in Los Angeles, And I mean I I do think that there's some value to being around like minded people because then you can, you know, motivate others and kind of motivate collective action and together

motivate Taylor Swift to come out and join join the resistance. Uh, but I don't know, it's it's so tough if you're if you if you have to feed a family or just feed yourself, and you're you know, having having to each ship on a daily basis from like somebody who just is you find soul withering to your very core. Like I've been in that position, and it's pretty terrible, and I consider it pure luck that I got out of that situation. I didn't like take a stand and

you know, storm out of the office or anything. So I think it's good that he's asking the question, I guess, and I encourage him to continue to ask it. Well, it sounds like that he or she has an opportunity to to get go somewhere else, Like it sounds like the decision to go to another job is already kind of taking place. And they're like, and if that's the case, if you are able to get into another job where you're not riching people whose values do you hate, then like, definitely,

by all means, get out of there. It's like, obviously very real that sometimes the job you have is not is not one where you are sharing space with the

best people in the world. But and you know, you've got to look after yourself sometimes I understand that, but like if you have the opportunity to get out absolutely like although workplaces where you can talk about rap beefs are overrated, Uh, well yeah, I definitely think that you would if you can finess the segue between jobs where there's no dead time, where you're not risking being unemployed, if you leave, um, then personally I would do that.

But also I think the question also becomes like how how conservative are these guys? Um? For me, I think recently, you know, it's very easy to like, if someone disagrees with you at all, just feel very allergic to them, um, And I definitely have that. But I also I mean, or if they're truly horrible, like white supremacists, then maybe leave, I mean regardless of what I personally couldn't keep going

in that kind of atmosphere. And so it's I think it's a question of like, are they kind of clueless like never Trumper, kind of like people that sort of suck but aren't like actual racist, horrible people, or are

they actually like fascists. Well, they sound a little racist if they think rap has no value, But I'm also like they could be like five years old, right, I mean, I guess it's like if you need a job, You're probably going to have to work with some people who you don't like or agree with, because that's what happening a job is. But if you can get a different job where you don't have to do that, maybe go

for it. It sounds like you don't love this job or anything, and it seems more like the issue for me at least issue would be more am I helping enriched people who suck? Then? Like, is my own tolerance for being around rhetoric being challenged? Because that's going to be life for a long time. You're gonna be around

people whose views you hate. But if you're if you're making people more rich so that they can screw over other people and vote and give their money to uh candidates whose values you disagree with them, maybe uh yeah, that's another thing to measure for that point. Do you think that people have like a like a moral obligation to try and educate other people about ignorance? Yes? Oh god? Or do you think it's too difficult if that person is like your boss and you can't tell them they're

being an idiot? There are subtle ways to do it, I think, even if it's just by refusing to agree just to be polite. I mean, I think that that that's something that you can do without endangering your job. Do you not think so? I don't know. This weekend, I got so exhausted, like overhearing people trying to like calmly, you know, argue their cases to the mo of people who were there's counter protesters, and it like it was

like so exhausting. I had to leave the earshot of this conversation just because it was bumming me out so much, because it's just like it's just like running up against the wall over again, and it's really depressing. Like you wish that, like, you know, rational conversation could win out,

but I don't know. Well, it's like when they start making me feel crazy, which happens a lot, because it's like they'll assume like a faux rational kind of like well, you know, you have your opinion and I have one, and it's like, yeah, but your opinion is like women aren't people, so we can't like civil have a civil disagreement about this. Yeah. I feel like the those types of people are those types of opinions are getting to the point that they're so bad that it's almost indefensible.

So I mean, just making them defend it out loud at the very least, we'll give you some peace of mind that okay, well I did what I could, or you know, you start to come station that eventually makes you feel better about where you work, but actually addressing it, it seems like more and more just kind of being

passive doesn't really work anymore. And that, yeah, I don't know that the selfishness you were talking about Emily about like going down there because you felt like you wouldn't like the feeling of staying around is still That's the sort of selfishness that I feel like saves the species rather than destroys it. Be that kind of selfish and I hope that this is helpful for it sounds like a un fun situation. Quick question though, based on the end.

If we were in a horrible food shortage and the only answer we're eating hippos, where do you guys fall I've never tried it, but sure I wonder where it like I would go veget Harry and probably first. But it's cool. But what if we need to eat all the hippos to deal with the ramp? Yeah? Sure, okay, yeah, we got to do something with it. I heard about jellyfish to jellyfish are going to be the big food source because there are so many of them, How do they have any good nights? I like that. We both

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came out in theaters. Um and Emily also proposed that we should watch all the versions, and so some of us did take her up on that ride. I didn't even succeed in that they're all on films track. We we almost succeeded. I did them all except the q Car because I've seen that one before. Um, Emily did the q cor but not the seventies one, and yeah, I haven't seen that one. I just saw the William Wellman one. And yeah, Jack, how many Stars Born have

you seen? Unfortunately, just the one. Did you know anything about the movie going in? I did. I had kind of read up. The trailer has been in heavy rotation in the daily Zeyegeist offices UM to the point that when the song The Shadows actually came up, it was like this weird existential experience because I was hearing the full song for like the third time in my life, but I was hearing that clip for the fifty and so I was like, wait where it almost felt like

it was like clipped out and just like paste it in. Um. But that scene was amazing. It was I can I create a safe space for us to talk about the movie and just let people know that there maybe spoilers ahead, spoilers ahead, I can't talk about the movie without spoiling Teslas to create a safe space for people who did not like the music in the movie whatsoever. It honestly is a space that is just intended to hold myself because I know I'm the only person who feels this way.

But I felt that way. I mean, honestly, I felt that way. Why I convinced my husband to feel that way? After working on him for really, I was like, you know, you didn't really like it. Why did you do that to me? Though? Why did you do that to me? It made me like fringe, It made me I don't know, It's like, it's it's hard because I'm like everyone else

is feeling things right now and I'm just not. And the only moment that made me feel some thing very deeply in that film spoiler spoiler was when he wet his pants at the Grammy and I got down in my seat, I like hunkered down, and I didn't know like I was going to cross. I was just very

I was like really disturbed. And it was a good, good scenes funny because like having watched all the other versions, like I knew that was coming, and yet when it happened, when they got up to like, oh, I was like, Oh, she's going to win the Grammy. And then he's going to get on speed on stage and make the speech because that's what happens in every version. Um. And then when he wasn't talking, he just kind of stood there. I was like started falling asleep. He's going to piss himself.

You knew, you knew? I didn't know, Yes, I did. There's there's a lot of foreshadowing in that movie. There's there's a there's an actual shot he drink like a whole bottle of water before he went on, you know, she said as he sits down, He's like, I was trying to go to the bathroom, but somebody like rushed me down to this seat. I didn't know that. Yeah, he was like they pulled me out of the bathroom or something. Shadowing. Molly, how does that play out in

the other versions, like what's that scene? Like in every version, it's that she finally gets like, you know, she's becoming a star, and she went toward her career the award of her career and he's won it before and then he gets up there and just like like ruins it

by being so embarrassing. So in the one, the q cor one, he is like asking for work, which is really brutal, like that's almost hirable at this point, and he's like, well, you know, none of you guys will hire me, but if anybody know of any studio, it'll take me. Like it's really bad, it's really bad. In the in the first one, he's like, hey, they give out Frederick March is the guy in the first round,

and he's amazing. I mean, it's been great. From watching all the versions, I was like, oh, this is such a great part for a guy. I totally understand why Bradley Cooper was like, what a great part for me, Bradley Cooper um. But in the first one he's like, oh, hey, like they given awards for best Actor, they should give awards for worst Actor, and they should give them all to me. What he's like, give me the award for Worst Performance. You know, fun is act that Um the

actress in it? Oh god wait Janet Gaynor. Janet Gaynor won the actual first Oscar for Best Actor. Really and she she's a real I mean, you know this movie in every version. I was saying, I think one of the reasons it endures is it's about just like a weird looking lady that a hot guy falls in love with. I have a quick question, but the first one really and he sees inside her soul and it's like, she's a beautiful soul. And everybody's like, why are you dating

that weird lady? And he's like, because I love her and I'm a drunk. So the first is the first real star is born called what Price Hall. No, that's before, but that that's like what it loosely Hollywood, And there's all these real old Hollywood marriages that it's supposedly based on. What I had heard was that it was based on al Jolson and Ruby Keeler, and then there's other people

who said it was Barbara Stanwick and her husband. Um, but there's so many examples in Hollywood of like a star who started dating a starlett and then the starlett surpasses them that there are like a lot of people that I think are like it was this couple inspired it, But the point is like it could have been any of these people us all this time. Yeah, And I saw someone making a good argument of like, well, the first one it's about all these different heights of fame

in different eras. So the first one is like old Hollywood, and the second one is like classic Golden era Hollywood, and then it's like seventies rock, and then this is whatever this is. That was a question I had. Why would they update it with a rock star when rock music is totally none I actually thought, because I was like, oh,

it's a fantasy movie. Rock music is popular. But I thought they actually did a decent job with that by making him a country rock star, because I was like, they know that he couldn't just be your rock star because that doesn't exist, and she couldn't just be a rock star like she could be, like she has to translate that into pop somehow, Like she's like kind of taking on almost Taylor Swift type model, right, like you know,

singer songwriter legitimacy to choreography pop type stuff. It kind of makes the most sense in the seventies one, because in the seventies one, he's like just a ship kicking like seventies like denim tuxedo kind of rocker guy. And then she's like Carol King. Basically, she's like a piano lady, you know. But it's like a time when a piano lady could become a rock star, the only time. So that one is amazing because it's so soft rock, and uh, the outfits are amazing. And then at the end it's

like all outfits from Barbra Streisand's own closet. That's the only one where that's the only one where it seems a little bit like she's like happy that she that he died because now she's the only person on screen. Um. And I was telling you guys, the romantic bathtub scene in that one is amazing because they are surrounded by

Schlitz cans, empty schlitz cans with candles in them. Um. Like, the meltdown stuff in that one is great because it's so seventies that it's like he like rides a motorcycle into the crowd. That's his big funk up, And so the point is like he's not even failing as an artist. It's just he becomes uninsurable because he's becoming like hard, rocks too hard, he has too much rock star excess.

He like shoots at a helicopter that's flying away with his manager, Gary Busey in it Um, And that's the one that's written by Joan Diddion and Gregory Dunn Um, which is really interesting because there's like no no memorable lines in it Um, but also because Joan Diddion and Gregory Dunn are a couple where the woman is much

more famous from the band. So I thought that was interesting that they were movie It's sort of funny that, like, both Joan Diddion and Dorothy Parker have made their mark on the Star Is borns over time, and I feel like I feel like Lady Gaga has kind of similarly made her mark on this most current one, like especially given how much of the music that she wrote and worked on, which is sort of interesting to think of

her in that particular line of succession. Yeah, we were talking about We were like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's the movie people right when they realized there's no money in journalism and they have to go write a movie like a Star Is Born. Jack did you have a favorite scene from this iteration of a Star? Is probably the Shallows? Really, yeah,

it's so great, So where you really moved? I think it was wishful like it was, you know, like the idea of somebody getting to a huge concert and then like getting pulled up and just like unleashing this song that's been in their heart all along. And she sings so hard like she's like she really let out. She also does a better job of seeming like surprised by how good she is than Stary sand does, who sort

of looks like, oh what, I'm great at singing? Um. I also it was it was originally going to be brought the Cooper and Beyonce, which I also was all like when that was on the table, and it was going to be Clint Eastwood directing it because it's been bouncing around forever because I think it's in the public domain, you can remake it. Um. But there was gonna be a nineties one with Winney Houston and Will Smith. This one very much turned into the bodyguard at the end.

Also well, she actually gets a number at the end, which I don't know about the one, but the thing that always leaves a bad taste in my mouth about the other two is that the last line of it is her saying I'm Vicky Mayne or no, I'm mrs Mrs Norman Man, and everybody applauds and like the victory of his that she's like claimed by her husband forevermore, her dead drunk husband forevermore, which is like kind of

a weird victorious note to go out on. And this one, like she doesn't have that line, but she's still singing about how she'll never love again, which is a lot, especially considering I was trying to break down the actual

timeline of this, this most recent Stars Born. I mean, it's interesting to try to break down for any of them, but this one because you because it takes place now, and it hinges on some events that we know when they take place, such as Stage Coach, the Grammy Awards, so you can kind of figure out how much time goes. But you thought about this more than they did. I think you guys are not on Twitter to the degree

I am about a Stars Born. But Allison Wilmore from BuzzFeed started asking about Well, first she wanted to know where Ali and her dad live. Oh, I was totally preoccupied by that. Well, at first I thought it looked like Queens, and then they were like, Okay, we're going to drive on a motorcycle to Arizona. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, where are they? And then was Queens. That's crazy to me.

To me, it was like summertime and Queens. I thought it was Queens because he was Italian because we all know Lady Gagas from New York because she never stopped talking about stops talking at and so I just was like, her dad is like a New York Italian Queen's guy. I it's like broadcasting a borough. But then when they were driving Arizona, I was like, oh, it must be Burbank because Burbank would make sense, or van Eys because that would be where the drivers would live bettle the airports.

I mean, I feel like they live in like like Altadina or Arcadia or something that was not that well, Alta Dina and Arcadia are very different places. Emily, Well, I know, but like up in like north and east of Los Angeles or like just east is like because the bar that there, and he's like driving back to Los Angeles after being in in Palm Springs. I will tell you, I didn't realize it was Los Angeles until when they went in the grocery store. I was like, yeah,

I was like, oh, that's my grocery store. And then I was like, no, no, I'm just projecting because all grocery stores look the same. But then they cut to the outside and I was like, it is my grocery store. It's super a. See. I figured out it was Los Angeles when you guys just said it like five minutes. I was totally thought thoughts Queen's because that's where we put our Italian people. And yeah, I was totally. I was too busy looking for cues that he might piss himself.

The setting was I decided, especially because he was country, I was saying, I decided that he was Keith Urban was my I was trying to match him up, and since I don't know any country musicians, I was like Jack what Yeah. Well, also because he was from Arizona, I was like, well, you know who the most famous rock band from Arizona is Alice Cooper. They were a bunch of baseball jocks from Arizona who became became freak rockers because like Frank Zappa told them to put monster

a blood on stage. Damn h. But I thought it was funny that it was from Arizona, you know, everything about that and the whole like him doing a Sam Elliott voice the whole time and then being like you took him a voice that was so strange that he specifically said you stole my voice when it was the thought in all of ours. So I guess they were like,

might as well call this out. But I thought at first and he meant like he had like punched him in the throne that is invalid alternate from Little Mermaids. I liked how just the first out. I mean, I really liked the first half of this movie. The second half I had more issues with it, a little boring. Well, you know, my issues were more kind of like that I felt like they didn't fill in that heart, the sort of like selling your selling your soul part of it.

Of like I was like, the lyrics aren't really that much better or worse than the pop songs than they are in the rock songs. It's kind of all the same. It's kind of you know, like if they were trying to imply that the pop songs were bad. I felt the same way in La La Land, where they were like, here's the sellout song that like people who have sold out do. But then it was John Legend and you were like John Legend like can't make a song seem bad?

You know that that's that's a total failure. That part in that movie, and that part in that movie you're like, oh, I wish John Legend were playing the Ryan Gosli maybe this movie would make sense. Um. But I I do think that musically the pop songs are not is good like lyrically whatever, it's all like inspirational pop music lyrics. I think I think that you cannot deny that musically is something like shallow is better than why did you do that to me? What what you walk around walking? Boy? Boy?

What you do with an ask like that? Yeah? Well, what I loved about the first hour THO was like it was all just like close ups of people's faces. It was like you like a good face, like a good face for me. That's what actors bring when they direct, is all they care about, is like actors faces really close up very tan face on very tan face, Lady Gaga's face, which Test has some issues with. I also did there. I didn't notice the fillers, and you guys pointed out and I saw you once you notice the

bunny lines. Bunny lines is when you get botox in your forehead and you can't move your forehead, so when you try to move your forehead there are like these little squinchy lines on your nose instead. And for the first time through like Nicole Kidman because she had a really bad but it's like a thing you notice where it's like somebody tries to move their face and it can't move where it's supposed to move, so it goes

somewhere else. In one of the reviews of A Star is Born, that all of the reviews I read were positive, I could not find a good, like a solid negative review to cling to, and I had to admit that I liked this movie a lot more than I thought

I would going into it. But um, in one of the movie reviews that was slightly critical, they were like, she can't move her eyebrows, so she does all of this acting with her eyelids, and it's like you have to acknowledge she does a great job, Like she's doing some eyelid acting that's kind of next level but I do I wish like I I like, I mean, part of what's appealing about this character is that it's a character who refuses to change her face, and so it's

a little hypocritical when and maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty good at spotting these things. So I'm like, I just wish she hadn't done anything to her face. Well, we were saying this too, and I was like, but real, Lady Gaga like didn't change her nose but put other

stuff in her face. So debate up for debate, And in my mind, because I was justifying all of this, I was like, well, because she is a waitress in Queens, where this movie takes place, I was like, she's you know, who knows, maybe she like sprang for the botox with

her bonus or something. Well that's another reason why it was like hard to believe it was l a is because a lot of people do wait tables downtown, for sure, but it's way more likely that she would have been waiting tables and living in the valley, You're not going to commute from Burbank or to Luca Lake, er Arcadia or Altadina, as Emily thinks to downtown when you could just as easily get a job at a local room. I think he was supposed to be any town, USA.

I don't think it was supposed to be Los Angeles. I think we all just knew it was Los Angeles because there were context only Los Angeles. I mean, like, what like Queensbridgeaby he lives, Like, no, why would how would her dad get to to you know, to the house and everything. They just live on the opposite sides of Los Angeles. I can't picture, even though I know Andrew dice Clay lives in the valley, It's hard for me to picture. Know, this is what I was saying.

It's like, it's not unrealistic that a bunch of like, like a bunch of like guys from Queens would like come out to Los Angeles to fulfill one guy's Sinatra dreams. Like it's like Entourage and then they all ended up being drivers that they're old Entourage. It's like down her seventies ending Entourage where they all just became drivers and like and like bragged about the famous people that they

got to drive. Please give us more thoughts on where exactly Andrew dice Clay and his friends are living in a star is born. Give us a call at to four oh four six night or you can email us at Nightcall podcast at gmail dot com. Should we take another night call? Let's take a nightcall night email. Uh, here's a nightcall that comes from Casey. I was catching up on an episode from last month and Emily was talking about the injustice of animal lifespans and how there

was no rhyme or reason to them. I remembered reading an article once that said mammals all get about the same number of heartbeats before they die, around a billion. Once. With slower heartbeats just live longer because it takes longer to hit their heartbeat limit. Somewhere else, I saw that chickens get about two billion beats on average, though, so they definitely get a better deal than most animals. Happy night call. It's very sad night call. In fact, I

think it's an uplifting night call. It depends on how you think beautiful. If we can all just can't believe, if we can slow our heartbeats now, we could live forever. I think that's why meditation might be the trio, because meditation slows your heart rate. If we agree that chickens

deserve to live longer than our loved ones. That was we were talking recently about how chickens have do have a strangely long lifespan, like they stopped laying eggs and then just kind of go on longer than you would expect. I've been eating a lot of chicken recently thinking about this because I'm like, they just they would be a horrible overpopulation problem. They're they're temperamental. You're Molly's looking at me, like, no, I was just thinking about keeping like a yard of hippo's,

like a hippo coop. How many beats per second? Do it does like a like a bugs of heartbeats? That's a good question. How about lizards, Well, I just I don't know if anybody saw that. There was a viral video about a teg you, a lizard name named Winston who was a tag you Maybe not nobody, nobody, this tag you. Tag you's are very intelligent lizards that can be trained to use litter box or respond to a

clicker and do commands. And there was a video about a woman who had a tag you named Winston and he like sought human contact and she was like, like I thought he was just seeking heat because I'm a heat source. But then it would be like warm enough in the house where he would leave a heat source to come visit her and he would like climb up on her shoulder and nozzle her. So I was at a birthday party over the weekend and there was a tag you and the guy was like, this is the

best lizard you can get. And I think that they live like fifteen to twenty years, and then chameleons there's a huge range. Some species of chameleon live like two to three years and others can live up to ten. I had a chameleon who lived to be nine. Does that mean a tortoise has the slowest heart beat? It's a good well, that's a good question because they are one of the longest lived creatures and they do. I think the Salcata tortoise lives between like seventy and a

hundred years, maybe even older. I think it's hard to tell. Like a fly, yeah, may flies have like twenty four hour lifespans. I've wondered if they like subjectively from their perspective, where you're like as slow moving as trees are to us because there because our lifespans are so much longer. Yeah, and I've decided we aren't. What about hunting birds? Don't honey birds have to? Like? They have a really very it's hard bets and bats. We'll get into the whole

thing with bats at some point. Bats almost all bats have brabies. I read, really, Yeah, gotta be careful to bats. There's a bat in your house. You might even need I thought a reason to be afraid of bats. I thought that that was all like just superstition or something. No, man, this comes from the legal advice Reddit, and they say that if you like, bats can bite you when you're sleeping, you might not even know, and like, such a huge percentage of bats have rabies, and I love bats, so

it's hard to hear. Yeah, you become batman, right, that is, yeah, exactly, you either get rabies or turned into Batman but all the dice, or like a vampire. And worse than that is that bat guano. If there's a lot of batguana in your house, for instance, then the particles you can get respiratory infections that can kill you. It's all on legal advice Reddit. I'm just saying, why is it on legal advice the best reddit ever? Because this is about whether it's a it was a condemned house question to

be condemned and does the does the family whatever? It was a long long post is of late thinking like there must have been a house episode about getting respiratory illness from back wan Yeah, I um, Jack, are you familiar with the murder board? I am Yeah. He's a devout Okay, Jack is a night bat, which is what we call our fans as of right now. That night we had um, we had a call from a listener who is a woodworker who was being asked to make a Norwegia board from wood that had been sourced from

a house in which there was a grizzly murder. Um. I guess within the last couple of years or something. Uh. And it was a big moral qual dream that we were sorting through and uh he I guess eventually decided to make it, to take the money, which apparently was not its substantial, and to make the murder board. So we have an update from him about the murder board.

He sent a photo to photos to photos. He had said there was some discoloration in the wood, a dark spot that he wasn't sure if it was blood or not. It's it's blood. It very much appears to be blood. We looked at it and we were like, nuts, blood or catch up, those are the only things that could be blood. And he was like, nothing bad has happened yet, but I've been having really dark dreams all the time. I told you not to do it. He did also promise to keep us posted and let us know when

he's finished and send us pictures. Seems a little bit like he was having second thoughts though, Oh you think. I mean, I don't know. You guys are the ones who were like, do it, do it. I'm happy, just see what happens. Just left up, Just left that little cutie bat bite. You got to be brave, as I can't tell what's like. It looks like catchup. It's so drizzly and weird, like it looks like steak sauce. I mean,

it does look comically like blood. That's the thing, Like like there's it looks like like something from the set of Dexter, like like splatters that you could try to use real blood on that show. I don't know if you knew that, Emily. I believe it is this pre He hasn't started carving it yet. He's in the process. Yeah, this is like a work in progress shot. Um. Yeah, and then I'm really excited to see what it looks

like when it's done. Yeah. I mean he's already been damned by starting the project, so there's no point right now. I wanted to know about his dreams. Oh yeah, please tell us more about your dream We need more detail. We should have more episodes about dreams in general, like tell us your dream questions, because I've been having some freaky dreams lately. But I feel like we're getting today and that a lot of people have been having really

scary dystopian dreams because we live in a hell world. Yeah, what do you think? Yeah, it seems like blood. It seems like an actual murder took place on top of that board, because there is like some drizzle that looks like it could be you just Google Google image search blood splatter. But then there's also this, but then there's like a big splotch that is like, I don't know, it looks like there was pulling there and I don't know that that convinced me and I am an ex Yeah,

not at all. Would you tell the guy to make the murder boarder? Now? No. I think it's a very bad decision. Is it is like, well, coming a bet, but onto your soul one vote for I mean, but I would tell him to do it because I'm curious to see what happens to him. I would not do it, I guess. I like how all of our questions are, like should I give up my livelihood because I'm going to do if? I might be cursed. We're cursed already, news flash. We are all curry converse by proxy by urging. Yeah,

the gig economy is a curse. That's true. Can I ask one question of everybody, what's your favorite romantic movie? Was anybody a Titanic person? Because I was definitely not. I'm not. I'm not into the romance and Titanic. I'm into everything else without into the infrastructure failing. Yes, I am. Um, I'm the romances between the ship and the glaciers. They're drawn together. Touch Um. You love Mulan Rouge though, I will.

I like. I like Millan Region, I like I like Romeo and Juliet, I like those Boss Lerman's I'm a big one. Car Wi Sucker's probably my most romantic filmmaker and probably like um, I mean like fallen Angels is not like a happy like nobody ends up together and following Angels, but that one definitely is like a mood that I appreciate. How about you, Jack, m I really liked notting Hill when I saw it. Yeah, it was a long time ago, but I liked that a lot. It's just a girl standing in front of a hill.

What about you, Molly? I love that Boss Lerman, Romeo and Juliet so much. Um. I love Doctor Javago. Oh yeah, and I also love Reds. Reds is my favorite is great tragic long romance. Um, very good. Check it out. It's very time. Yeah. How about you? I like punch drunk Love. Oh, great answer, that's totally mine's punch trunk love actually actually punch drunk love actually love actually not actually. Um, well,

I think that does it. Well. Thank you very much Jack for joining us today, and thank you guys so much for having me. That does it saying? Jack? WHOA wow? Did did? Did Lady Gaga just walk into the studio? Her name is Ali Ali, and it's very gentleman's Ali. It's very confusing when she becomes a pop star and then she's not Lady Gaga and I think they should have made her blond. That's my life. The absolutely air was terrible in this film. The most romantic part of

the movie. The eyebrow made me be like, I like this movie. It's a good It's just people looking at each other in the face. Do you think they came up with the eyebrow thing just because she couldn't move her eyebrows and so they were like, that's such a good point. Therefore, not draw attention to Fraley Cooper email us now that you said that. I keep thinking because that shot of when he when she lies on the stage and they like zoom in on her eyelids and

she's like eyelids. Yeah. See. Well on that note, guys, goodbye brow, goodbye course. If you're enjoying the podcast, please review, rate, subscribe. I don't remember if I already said that, but Bear is mentioning twice and we will see you next week. Thanks again to Jack O'Brien from The Daily Night. Guys. Check it out on how Stuff works on Apple Podcasts

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