Don't Go in the Billy Joel Door with Rachel True

like a broadcast only accent. I love it. I was just in New York and I literally turned into your Jewish grandpa when that's my actual patois to be honest, h No, what were you doing? I was like doing, Oh wish you might have heard. I put up a little bit of a something on Twitter a couple of months ago or not about I'm being excluded from something. So I went and did an event last month that I forced people to invite me to and it turned out well for everyone. Yeah, do you want can we

talk about them a little a little bit? I'm sure it's really boring, but no, it's not so Rachel was talking about how there was a convention, horror convention that was supposed to be a reunion of the Craft, which Rachel is in an integral member of the coven in um, and they invited all the other girls and not her, and she called them out on Twitter rightfully, saying, hey, you guys didn't invite the one black girl in the group to be part of the group, and like this

used to happen during the press tour in the movie came out. I didn't know people read my tweets. That is how I learned that people actually read my tweets. Um. I didn't really think anyway, nobody cares about my tweets. So I was very surprised that people responded um and it resonated with them. And let me be clear too, because conventions are, you know, this sort of world where you go and you meet people and you sign autographs and it's very surreal. The first one I did literally

every picture, I'm like, what are you doing? So then I haven't done terribly many, but with this particular one, the party line was no, no, no, Rachel, it's it's not a reunion. We just have uh Nev's there. Because of scream, uh for rus is just there because you were supposed to be there the year before, and Robin, who's never done it in a horror movie is is there because it's our first one. But it's not a reunion, and if it was, of course we'd want you there.

I heard this from so many fucking people that I finally well, what I finally said is, yeah, you know it's not a reunion because you fucking won't invite me. Oh can I swear? I'm gonna try to be better? But I had to explain to lots of my fabulous white friends too, No, No, it's you're missing the point. It would be a reunion if they would invite me. So now what happened was I gave them a huge headline. Tons of people showed out, everybody made a lot more

money because we were all there. And part of my thing, too, is when I go to these events haven't done very many. I'm the only black person there. I'm the only black person everywhere I go. The last one that I just did, which they were kind enough to invite me after I might have twisted a few worms. Um, I was the only black woman. And then there was an eight year old black child there who did an episode of something

and that was it. So I do feel now that I'm an old lady, I can speak out about things because I'm gen X, you know, and I was taught be quiet, don't worry about it as long as it's not too overton in your face, just deal with it, you know. As a black person mixed person growing up, I mean, my white dad and black step mom were like, listen, this is how it is. You're going to be treated

terribly and and you just suck it up. I think it's just I took a page from the Millennials book and I was like, I'm gonna wine in public about it, and and I think that it was probably good to bring awareness not just for me, but for other people, so many other people in my same boat. Well, Tessa and I are huge fans of the craft. It was one of the I know, I know, so's Emily, Tessa and I. I mean, just like we saw it together

probably for the first time. You were like to, did you guys notice that our skirt scott shorter as our power as they should. Yeah. I do remember hearing an interview with Andy Fleming, the director on NPR yours back back in the day, and he was like, oh, you know, it's a metaphor for female sexuality, and and that's so true.

I think that women right from tweeing to it's a metaphor women all those things, so many new things circulating in us, and new ideas and thoughts and what we could do, and so I think that the Witchcraft is a perfect analogy for it. And actually I love I was talking to f rus the Ball, who plays Nancy in The Craft um the other week and she said something to me really kind, like people always say I

look young. I don't look young at all. I'm gonna be a couple episodes of Better Things, we'll see me looking like every inch of an adult that I am. Better love that show, So for ruses, he look really young and I was like, oh girl, it's a glamour And then we just started trading lines from the movie. Really cute about that, Like, almost a quarter of a century later, how often do you see a movie with

like four female protagonists at all? You know, And yes, you're right, part of the reason the movie is so good her in it, and your storyline is like very interesting. No, I appreciate that because I copped to this fully. I mean a documentary that is so good you guys on shutter dot com, which is owned by a mc uh and it's called Horror Noir. It's based on a book written by a college professor called Robin Mean Coleman. So it's already a more erudite take on this. It's not

just here's a slash film. It's not a chronological order, just that the reflection of black people uh in films and so um being in that. I copped to the fact that when I got the craft, I remember thinking, and this is sort of mortifying for me, but I remember thinking, m oh, well, she's burned, and um, you know, she's crazy and she tried to commit suicide. What's my problem? I don't have a proper racism. Yeah, that's a given. It's a given that people can be horrible and racist meat. No,

what is my actual problem? And I remember then thinking, do they think blackness is my problem? Why does she get punished at the end, like she didn't do anything wrong with her power? Like that's actually true. I didn't. And you know, I had a scene with my parents that was cut, which is kind of too bad because everyone else's parents, But don't worry. They didn't have any dialogue, so it doesn't matter. I remember my dad, the actor, being like, can you get us a line? And I

was like, I'm trying to keep my answer. So it's interesting now to then, like things have change. I mean at the time, I had to really fight to be included in that movie, you know what, I mean, to

get to read for it. So that's so crazy, And it's such a like huge like I don't know, it feels like a big like how far we've come, but also I guess how much we still have to do, like with us being such a huge thing this weekend, like as far as you know, representation and horror, and also not having it be you know, like the horror doesn't necessarily have to do with recent it. It's like it's about a bunch of things. It's about a family

in a horror noir. There's a line from Blacula, which is a seventies black exploitation version of Dracula, Right, and Blacula turns one of his friends, and he's a very smooth count, and he turns his friend into a vampire. And the friend looks in the mirror and He's like, what what is a man if he cannot see his

own reflection? And that, I think is such a beautiful analogy for how black people in America felt for a long time in terms of cinema, Like you can't see even me growing up, Like I can't see my reflection anywhere?

Who is the person who looks like me? So I'd gravitate, of course, towards that one person of Like I remember being fascinated with the Courtship of Eddie's Father, which was actually before my time, but in repeats because there was an Asian woman on it, somebody different, somebody was other. You know. Anyway, by the way, when does this documentary

come out? Oh, it's out already. It's on it's streaming on a platform called shutter dot com and it's horror nore yea And they have been showing it in New York and I think they were showing in a band. I think it's kind its rounds around the different art houses and stuff and independent theaters in New York. Yeah,

it's funny. Like I did the documentary and then they were like grabbing a premiere and I just thought, oh, it's gonna be some little, tiny thing, and they had a real premiere and everything, and I was like a press line, which if you're a woman and you don't know there's a press line and then you have to do a press line, is little traumatized. So I need to documentary and it's great and I listen. I'm a realist.

I wouldn't sing this high praise of it if I didn't actually had learned so much from it, and it pointed out beautiful art house films made by black people that I hadn't heard of. So I'm thrilled to be a part of that. That's awesome. Cool. It feels like horrors having a moment of like, you know, social horror makes a lot of sense because it's like, you know, for horror to be about something rather than just sort

of like scaring you. Torture porn was so big during well that makes sense after eleven when you think it's the most appropriate superhero thing, which I'm ye, unless you want to put me in on just so cool. But that's a reaction to nine eleven and it's you know, twenty years later, and I feel like that genre. I mean, I get it as a parallel for us, but I kind of maybe because I'm grown up in gen X, Like I really miss nineties indie indie movies. I have

been talking about erotic thrillers. That's why we went on the erotic. Yeah, We're like, oh, these movies are about like grown ups having problems and they're about like interpersonally attracts. In chicular, was like the most just intimate, like you know, scaled down horror film in a lot of way. Sure that is a horror when you think about the psychological horror way, it's it's more than us. You wouldn't if you were a hardcore horror fan, you're gonna be like,

is that horror? You're right, just just like get out. You're not gonna be entirely sure. But there are different

veins of many veins of horror. And as much as I feel like the the elevated horror or like you know, thinking person's horror, I'm using like heavy scare quotes over that is Like there's been like a lot of great things that have come out that I guess you could file under that that banner, But I feel like there's still so much to be done with like just like scaring people in like different contexts and different cultural contexts and like, you know, like I feel like there's a

lot of room for genres like you always think like fringey genres where you can experiment more. Should theoretically like be more experimental in terms of like who gets to make movies like something like horror or well, it's interesting to me, I guess coming from my gen x perspective, as I thought once you know, there was a little a video camera in everyone's hand, that we would have more of a revolution in filmmaking. It was like Blair Red, Yeah that is it, but kind of or you know, um,

Chuan Baker shot Tangerine on an iPhone. I think, um, but I'm just surprised there aren't more and more and more people doing that because we have the means. And my my note to people is, um, you can have a kind of fuzzy video, you know, you can shoot on an iPhone, but your sound better. Yeah, really right, The sounds should be tight because then people will stick with it even if the picture is a little wishy.

But I want a sidebar and give you some praise because I don't remember why I started following you, but I know I read stuff by you. We have people in common that we know. But I just loved your New Yorker article on your grandma. And then oh yeah, Molly, if anyone out there miss that, you've got to look at It's such a good article. It's really just so well written. And then also like I loved it already,

and then you had me. It got me when your grandma's favorite people with Serena and because I was like, as she's an athlete JS, so you know, that's kind of why I probably started following you. And then I found out we had to writer friends in common and things like I've always been a fannier work. Rachel's also

in Half Baked, another movie so dumb, so dumb. It is really funny you were in like you know, You're the craft Or and Half Baked in a Gregor ocument like these are all movies that have a lot of like cultural cachet with everybody like to be in cult things that he really sees. No, you don't hit me.

The other day or a while back, I was like I was like, oh, you know, I may not have been in this, that or the other thing, right, but I was in these weird things that people know the names of, like people call me Rochelle and Mary Jane and Mona from my TV show, Like there's discernible names that people can attach to me, And I thought that that's kind of cool. Like I guess it's the kind of stuff like now, especially like kids even younger than us,

like the generation below us. It's the stuff that they're all googling because they've heard somebody mention it and it like has this aura around it. They're like, oh, I need to like go look up all those geople. Speaking of Gregor Rocky has got a TV show out now, I think on Stars um with the same alien from Nowhere. But what I loved about that Gregor Rocky movie was again those weird indie things back in the day where we're just we got a barn, we're making a movie.

And what Greg did with just paint. For example, when you look at the wolves in that movie and and the backdrops are so gorgeous, it's all just really inexpensive stuff. So when people because for instance, like I dated a guy for a minute who I was a great guy, but he's like you or I'd be like, hey, I got an idea, let's shoot this thing and look at it, and he'd be like, well, you know because and so we've broke up. But I just know that, Like I like,

you got a bar and you can do it. And I love that attitude, like let's just try and see what we get. Um. And those images like that image of me up against the wall in nowhere, that's amazing. I wish I look like that. I mean even then I didn't look like that, but it's neat to see. Yeah. Anyway, Hey, folks, if you love true stories about extraordinary life experiences, we think you'll love the Risk podcast. Risk is the show where people tell true stories they never thought they'd dare

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podcast app for Risk. That's r i s k exclamation point or kypan show dot com. I want to hear about Rachel's other What would you say, it's like your moonlighting job, your other career, your career of the night. Well, you know, I do a few different Here's what I always try to say. I do many minute, many different things. And so I think there was a moment there were people trying to pigeonhole me as she's quit acting, and

she said, no, I do many things. Also sidebar two, I had a you know, after my TV show ended, I had a major illness, which nobody, I know, people don't want to talk about people. Nobody wants to hear that you were anything but perfect and perfect looking. Right. Um had a very common thing that white women called tumors and black women call five yeah. And I think the distinction is interesting because black women are like, no big deal, and every white woman ever met it's like

I have a drmer and I'm done. I'm like so basically, Um, I was riddled with these things inside and out. I looked eight months pregnant. I could barely walk, I could barely breathe. Actually, I let it go too far. It was a benign condition that I didn't because the doctor said, black lady, don't worry about it. It's very common. Don't check it. And that's why I'm talking about it on this podcast because black women, if you have five words, or white women, any women, it can affect your fertility.

It can affect every first of all insane from the hormone imbalance is well, you do not get that without a severe hormone ebalance. So got back to my other things that I do are just things I've always done my whole entire life. But yes, when I went through a period of being um, you know again in this town, if you were anything but perfect, people back away from you.

So when I wasn't feeling you know, it wasn't really healthy and feeling well, it was just an odd time and I had to redecipher who I was and what I was based on myself, not outside. So I just got back into the stuff I've always done, like as a small child, but I was in foster care from zero to four, right, But I doubt eventually came and God as my white dad, um with his new black wife and um, he had this huge bookcase that I called the library and the when you're for it looks

like a library. So the books and I could read a little bit. My stepmother toat us to read the books. I would pull down where Nietzsche is beyond Good and Evil and Carl Young's Man and his symbols. So was I actually reading the books? I doubted. I could read a couple words here and there, right, but it was very drawn to the pictures and the covers and the things, uh, the concepts of good and evil? What is that? What is beyond what I could see at four years old?

And I also felt like I was super intuitive even at that age. I felt like at that age I could kind of look at someone, kind of know what they were thinking, and it made them very uncomfortable. So cut to someone gives me a tarot deck like when I'm eight, and I'm like, oh my god, it's the same. It's the same language as those books. It's what Carl

Young was talking. It's all inter related. Remember which was I think it was just a basic writer weight deck um so which should be called the writer wait Smith's deck because one of the artists, Pamela Coleman Smith, who has there's a book out about her, and Mary Kay Greer, who was one of the people I gravitated towards her tarot books back in the days, one of the authors of that. So I became interested in taro because of that, and I was always interested in weird so tamis scorpio ye,

So it just was a natural extension. This is like my little catchphrase for terror, and I've had this my whole life, which is it's kind of like a shrink in a box, you know, it's literally a way to go what's happening. Carl Young says the best way to predict the future is de termined now the present of all from the past. So is there a little magic

and mysticism in the taro. Absolutely, But really it's just a very practical way because I can look at an image and and it evokes an emotion of visceral emotion in me, and you're going to have a completely different reaction to that. So that's kind of where I think there's the magic of terror. It's interesting because I showed my son who's almost seven, a tarot deck recently, and his reactions to the cards were really interesting. Yeah, I mean, just some of the darker cards. He was like, oh,

this is really cool. This is really powerful, which is really what a lot of them mean. But to me, I'm like, but that's a kid resonated with the image. You know, nobody needs to have explained here. It's the

visceral feeling. So to me, I became interested in tarot because if that, and then coincidentally, before I got the craft, like this is actually a true story, Like about nine months before I that script landed in my lap, my TV broke, so I just really delved into tarot studies, Like I have notebooks and notebooks of you know, just my thoughts and my my layouts and my readings and all those things. And so when the script showed up nine months later, I was like, I think I'm ready

for this ship. And if anyone's gonna be a black, which it's me. So um cut to again after I was sort of recovered, you know, I remember like disassociating from my body floating up to the ceiling as I spread out on the couch, right, And that was my clue to get back in my body, get healthy again.

And that is why I appreciate it when people say you look good or you look good, because I'm okay work for this ship, and I do a tribute Tarot to helping me get through some of those more difficult moments, you know. And then I was supposed to play Marie la Vaux in a movie. I had read car It's for myself and my friends for years and years, but I've never read for like strangers, you know what i mean. Like, so I was like, all right, I'll go, you know,

do some Tarot at House of Intuition. And it was fucking interesting. So people would come in and be staring at me. Hopefully that movie will come back together because it fell apart in prime indie style as their want to do. By the way, House of Intuition, um is an echo park, right, sure, I think it's a there's a few. There's one on Melrose. Actually, oh nice. But

they were they were actually really strange with me. They were supposed to were supposed to develop a product together and stuff, and we did it, and so eventually I just to do your own well you know what I'm saying.

They got mad at me for not putting them on my Instagram and I was like, you got your own, yeah, I mean really, like, listen, now I can read people without the cards, and that's what I believe for everyone, uh is that we have intuition right gut and and we're learning now how much gut bacteria and gut stuff is so important to our mental health. And so there that expression gut intuition comes from something. And so what I love Tarot cards for his helping me discern you

know what's real? What's memorys and memras is an old thing, but you know what's real and what do you want it to be? I think that's the hardest thing for territy and what are you afraid of? And where are you afraid of? And also when you look at it, Zack, there's seventy eight cards, right, there's twenty two major arcanas, and those carry more weight when you get them. Because, by the way, I keep forgetting to mention, I sold

a book like I was Bury the lead. So the exciting part of coming out of all that when doing the Tarot work was I sold a book to Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, which to me was like a big deal. You know, I was an autor as a kid, I read a book a day. So now to be able to write a book and write it myself, to not only go stritten like a lot of actors do has

been an interesting process. I don't know how you do it, but I'm so excited because the goal of the book True Heart, tarow Um and deck set I'm designing a deck with a young Canadian artist as well, is to reach people who, you know, I think a lot of my people, my brown people, are really scared of this stuff, and I want to be like, it's just paper and cards, people, and a way to get in touch with yourself, like

is my religious friends say God is everywhere. God is everywhere, but then God is inside you, right, So this is a way for you to get in touch with the knowledge that God, the God inside you, can give you. Um. That's what I hope because I so many little girls come up to me and they're like, I really want to be to do terror, but my mom says the devil, and I'm like, I don't know what terror you're doing

because I don't. I don't. I don't mess with the devil or things like that incompatible if Christianity, right, it's not out of alignment with christ consciousness or whatever your bag is, you know, which is not mine. Thank you parents. But the book also has twenty two memoir essays by the way, So it's for the major arcan is from the Fool to the World. Some of those are nineties stuff. Some of those are about my life now just you know, to different things. But boy, do you get tired of

yourself when about you do? And then because it's a terrib book, I'm talking about heavy cards, I've got to cough up some stuff from my life that I'm not that happy about and that like my devils say, oh, I'm so mortified, but you know what we all have done things were mortified about. I think you know, or maybe I'm the only one. Uh no, that's sounds good. So it's like psychology. It's like you have to deal with the things you don't want to deal with. Well,

that's you know what's interesting. I was doing terror readings for a friend of mine who was a trainer, and um we did a few readings and by the fourth or fifth reading, she was like, this is getting really difficult. This is getting harder. And I said, yeah, kind of

like your workouts. And she was like, oh, and I do find the more work I do with that's the more um in alignment I get in other areas like I've let go of you know, like, let's say, you know those friends we all have that we we are always have confrontation with or there's some kind of pull

to them, but we talked shit about that. They're gone because you know what, with my friends, we want to throw roses at each other's back, so we don't want to talk about each other, right, um, and I feel really great now, And it's weird because I'm old now. I was saying, I wish I figured some of this stuff out earlier. I guess is my lament? Do you

know what I mean? Because you're right, I'm not old, but that's how you're writing the book because you're like, if I can pass any of you exact, I hope. So it's sort of like why winch on about how stuff on Twitter, you know, and just try to say, hey, women like men. Women don't fear aging you know, because I had a brother who passed away twenty eight. You know, the alternative to not being my age is being dead. So I'm fine with being my age. We talked about

this also, how old are you? That's why always talks about being a time lord because sometimes I feel like I slipped through time and I don't need some time you are an ageless traveler. As you get older, you realize you're never going to like feel dor You're just going to like be yourself. That's good, you know that, because it's true. I just feel like me earning and disappointing. It is comforting, dead pointing. There's different areas where I'm

more mature, you know, Like now I really understand. Somebody said, what did you learn from your exes? And I've learned from all of them, like heavy is the head that wears the crown because this is my kingdom. So I cannot afford to let in people, places or things that are going to mess with mess with the flow of that. So that's nice to know it as adult, because when

I was younger, I was like, oh, you're a horrible guy. Hi. So just shifting things like that, well, I feel like also like the reason that people fear aging especially women is because like you don't see older women in movies and TV as much as you see the reality, and in reality, everybody knows cool women of all ages. Yeah, and you're just like that's normal. But then it's like if you don't see it in movies, you start to be like, is it really, you guys. I went from

so I'm I sick. Come I always played ten years

younger than I was. But anyway, after that ended and I got I wasn't even sick yet, all of a sudden, my b et started blasting my age every six months, and I was like, thanks, be fucking I remember the nineties, I didn't interview with them, and they kept saying, I said, as a black actress, and they were like African American, and I was like, aren't you the black entertain But all of a sudden, my auditions literally when from like, you know, thirty five forty year old woman to grandma's

And I don't know if you're familiar with the black grandma on the couch trope, right, But that's not me, Like I'm not, oh so tired, I just got home from church, y'all. That's not me yet. It will be me soon And could I could I be a grandma in real life? Absolutely? This is what I always say about. This is why women love the Real Housewives franchise is because it's about women, like women having the dumbest fights. So we're not saying all the time, and that's like

the luxury. That's why I tell it like brain bleach because I watched it. Yeah, it's like, oh, these stupid problems that don't matter. But this is why Felicia Fasanos cast person for a bunch of different shows, but for better things. Kind of hunted me down in August. But I love this show so much because it is about

a grown woman. Pamela is exactly my age. So I fought the show for the whole first year and didn't watch it because I was like, oh, yeah, it's about a mother and her kids on I don't have kids, I'm bad. And then I finally watched an Oh, it's not about a mother and a kid, it's just about being a woman. You know. That's it's such a great show. So I'm thrilled to be a part of that. And also let me sing her praises for how she shot that show was literally like working on the nineties uh

indie film, like a sun Dance indie movie. She's got four different cameras going. She's literally directing and acting in this and still has time to go. Yo. So I'm gonna get Rachel a fan. She's having a hot flag. So it was incredible. It was an actor's sandbox. It's not that I'm more discerning about what I do at all. I'll do whatever. I got sucked out of a plane

in um Sharknado twelve. You know, I don't care. But to be able to do that kind of stuff is is a turn on, well, a king of entertainment for grown ups. Um, maybe the dark side of entertainment for grown ups. In continuing our erotic odyssey, we watched the William Freakent film Jade this week, and uh, lucky for us, Rachel has also seen Jade. I don't know how recently. When was the lass Okay, I was going to do prep yesterday and then I was like, no, no, I

have seen it. You remember, Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that's all we need. As long as you have the impression of it somewhere in your mind, doesn't had anyone ever seen Jade before Rachel? I had seen parts of it, I hadn't seen the whole thing. I had never seen it. I just knew it's legendary, legendary bomb yeah, oh yeah. It was a career killer from some like it. Basically, this end show Girls was sort of the end of

the favorite screenwriter of all time ever. They said they rewrote this whole script, but there was one line in there that we all know was Joe. Oh yeah, the best line, which is Crystal Beluga Wolfgang Puck. It's a fun house that sounds Coke Field if you're a little bit from the nineties movie. Um, I hated this film like so well. I we finished watching it and I was like, I could not tell you the plot of that, Like I could not tell you what are you talking about.

Linda Fiorentino's the head of a ring of prostitutes, will give you whatever you want, you whatever you want, and they're Blackmailllion the governor. Did Linda Fiorentino? Mary, Like, where'd she go? Because she's a amazing and I hope she married a gazillionaire and it's a gazillionaire herself right on

her own marit. But just like how freaking directed her and basically everybody in this movie, but like especially her to just like talk in her very so it's like, yeah, she's just like just like the very very lowest you could be still good. But you guys have to understand that Linda Fiarentino in the nineties, but that was definitely everything talk very love. But also she was considered very ethnic. Well that okay, because Italian, you know what I mean.

I mean, that's weird. But there's also a very weird subtext in this movie where you're like, why isn't she Asian? Me? If she was Asian, it feels like the it feels like the Ring of Prostitute should be Her name is Jade, and the whole tax place from China town and they talk, you know, the whole movie takes place from China towns, and the whole thing, the whole like visual theme of the movie is Asian stuff. Various people running through Chinese people trying to do stuff, trying to have a parade,

do their tie to you guys. In an Asian woman in that role would have been such a trope, right, But also just know that it was the nineties and they went, well, we could cast some in Asian, but that won't sell. So let's get someone who's white but not entirely what she's Italian, that's kind of ethnic. Yeah, put Linda in there. That's so by the way, the casting of this several people turned down roles. I would

just like to just briefly pass through. Warren Beatty turned down the role of David CORRELLI before yeah, David Crelli before it went to David Cruz. So, David Cruso I blame for much of how David Caruso is the reason this movie does not work. They dress why was this these David care apologies to David curru Sorry David. People, A lot of anybody does in this movie. To be fair, like, he's not a void of sexual charisma. Oh Chas Pomentarius way hotter than David krus don't want to fuck him either.

That was that role was offered to Kenneth Branda. So, but then Julia Roberts and Sharon Stone turned down Katrina Gavin, which went to Linda Fiorentina. But she was like, I'm not going to take the role unless you toned down the prostitution stuff. So, I mean this this movie was so rewritten. And William Friedkin super strangely was like, I am the most proud of this movie. I have no idea. He was like, I think it was maybe the Exorcist curse. Yes,

that's why. That's that's say. It's because like listen, I I remember Carusoe leaving his TV show and all that, and I The reason I remember is because even then I remember thinking Mother is going to leave his own show and he barely charismic. Charismic, but listen, he's a great actor. I've always thought he was a tremendous actor. I was like, it's an interesting move to leave your own lead TV show where you're making gazillions of dollars. Oh wow, that's a luxury that white people have hot

they can quit their high paying job. Listen, every job I've ever got, almost I've been told you better take it or leave it. They have another black girl. So that is the world I come from. And then I'm like, this mother bugger is leaving a show. But also the nineties, big stars were doing adverts in Japan, you know, commercials and adverts and big stars TV stars, where TV was TV film never the Twain Shall meet. You did not cross You did not cross over. So it's very different

than now. It was such well, I was saying, also, like when did Clooney depart e R because he's the successful version of Caruso trying to leave in White People. He also left it in like season ten. Though there's a difference between leaving your two years. My show is the Hottest Show on TV Caruso, who left his Hot Show after two weeks. It wasn't like David Caruso, Like, he's not George Clooney, the d as a red heat

I'm allowed to talk about. You say that this is not about all male redhead Well, it's also the word drive in this movie was like there were crimes committed. Come on the nineties, which was better than the eighties. Like, by the way, I had to bite of a sun dried tomato the other day flashback, and I was like, yeah, that's out of my mouth. Well, talked about our our plans to do a like nineties theme cafe called Romaine Memory. That's one of our side projects to all sundried tomatoes.

Every time you guys that you love that, because you guys, I mean, listen, I shouldn't. I'll stop saying the old But you guys are younger, And what is it about that decade that you guys gravitate towards and now we live in a younger I think it was the thing of not really being able to participate in it fully, Like you guys are like a couple of years older

than me. But I think it's the thing of like when you're on the cusp of being able to participate culturally in a decade, then you want to like you want or you visited even more once, Like I think, I mean, we not to load this podcast with lots of nine eleven, but let's go ahead. I mean, I think you look back to your parents in the eighties and nineties and especially now, and you're just like, well, my parents were my age, you know, in the early eighties.

Oh yeah. The idea that people in these movies are like the age that we are is like hilarious and and hard, like the Cradle. I'm like, look at all these grown ups they must be Yeah, you know, I feel like somebody I saw somebody on Twitter talking about like we're working up through the nostalgia through these different decades, and we're kind of nearing the end of the run of nineties nostalgia movies and TV and everything. But it's going to be really weird to see how like TV

and film reckons with any kind of nostalgia. It Also, I mean, the odds were kind of shitty to me. I mean, I don't never want to see another juicy track suit in my life. Yeah, I have no no nostalgia for that period, as I always I found and I read an article about them. You know, they were talking about Gen X and a silent generation and maybe it's because they were so disappointed by all the promises

of their youth. And I was like, what promises we were the generation were told you will not you will not be more successful than your parents, and we were told your life is ship and it's going to be shipped. And they were kind of right. I mean, again, what generation are you? I'm a I'm an old millennial. I'm the oldest Gen X. Someone said to me, no, you're a baby boomer and I was like, like I was in a Gregor Hockey movie. Yeah, that's what I said to I was like, listen, I am literally the man

a pixie black girl of nineties. All I knew was like, I remember this stink moment the eighties ended for me and and the nineties began. Was this boy asked me this guy's hot guy I was dating who's now a famous actors and meet me at his house. And I go to the apartment building and I hear two doors. One door is a Billy Joel. There's people inside singing, we will all go down with the ship. And I was like to do outside the door and I was like, oh funk, I shouldn't day I bore, Oh god, that's I.

I don't uh do I knock them do it? And then the other door Nervana blasting vanna, and I was like, that's my door. And that was you know, that to me was the end of the eighties atrocities, because this period of time is bringing up a lot of stuff for older people. Because I remember walking in New York City and they need a hilverd. It came down and I remember thinking, I don't know, I don't know what's true or not, but I know as a black woman,

no one's ever gonna believe me. And it's really racist, isn't it. This world is really And so then I kind of put a lot of that aside to be an actor. And now it's now it's the same And according to my eighties something your old stepmother you just lived through. Obviously the sixties fifties, who's black woman from the South. She says it's worse now than it's ever been. My parents insists that it's like less crazy than nineteen

sixty nine. But I don't believe them because I'm like, I think we're at the same level at this point at least. And they're like, you don't understand, like we thought everything might change. And I was like, that's how every feel that. But here's what I'll say, afy, Because you guys asked me to bring my tarot cards. I use a bunch of different decks, you guys, many many different decks. But I would say if I hadn't to pick a tarot card, right, there's heavy tarot cards, there's

great card tar cards. But one thing I try to press in the book is I don't do reversals. I do high and low vibe. Right, So even the worst cards like the Devil has has has a vibe where you can start to look at your bad habits, right, you can see some good in it. And I would say the card that represents now to me is the tower card. Is anyone are you familiar with tarots? To the tower card? If you look at a traditional card, it's literally a reference to the Tower of Babbel, really uh.

And and that is when Man and the hubrews to think they could build a tower up to God, and God was like yeah, no, bam and and I'm gonna make it so y'all speak all different languages, so you can't communicate, which is where babble comes from. Right So, um, the tower of babbles when the foundation of everything has been in shake, shaken, And in some ways that card represents actual death, I think more so than death card. You know, it's like a little literal evisileration end of something.

But the other side of the Tarot card that I quite like, is it his spiritual enlightenment. You know, you can have this epiphany, a bolt of lightning, a spiritual thing that is just as dramatic as an earthquake. Right So, I think that represents to me this time period that we're in. And again, I'm really great. I think if I was seventeen, i'd be losing my ship right now. I'm glad. I'm I'm old enough to step back and go, yeah, uh huh. We have racist president, we have this, we

have all these things. But I understand that things will change because a lot of instead of being reactionary like I went, oh my God, like I would literally be broken out hives if I was younger now with the state of things, because that's me. I break out in hives when I get nervous. So fun for shooting, by the way, so fun. This is maybe the kick in

the ass. Some of my white liberal friends need to stop telling me that this isn't real and it is opening a lot of people's eyes, And personally, I think there's at least three of my white friends when we apologies. You know who you are. I am certain that you will get them. Yeah. If not, I'll write about them in my book. Yeah exactly. Now you can tell people that that you're going to write them about them in

your book. How do you decide what to because I actually it was like, oh, I'm going to use pseudonyms first of all, But do I write about this thing where someone would be able to recognize themselves in it? And it's my opinion, I've heard that people are very bad at identifying themselves. Uh in nonfiction, I think you'd change like one characteristic they exactly nobody. People are notoriously bad. If it's like a blonde person and you're like they

had brown hair, they will never know. They're like, can't be me? It's sure. A friend wrote about me in their book and I read it and I didn't recognize myself because he was like, she wore belly shirts and I was like, I have never worn a goddamn bell. She changed it. Yeah, and and there was enough to

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Rachel True. Yeah, cottle girl didn't get her hands on that one yet. Oh. I have no chance of my name on TikTok apparently, so we will talk. Well, yeah, we'll get your tarot deck when it comes out. And this was awesome, true heart intuitive tarot and do you know when it's coming comutably it's two heart Tarot by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt and publishing is slow as molasses, so it'll cool. Thank you so much for having Thank you guys so much for having me. I love this podcast.

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