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thank you. It was two years ago had a traumatic experience on a plane where my daughter screamed for um, the six hours there and the six hours back, and then you texted me and you said, somebody else's child is screaming on this flight. And I'm so happy, so happy. I was sitting next to a family with like it just seemed like they had just four rows of children who were all roughly the same age. I'm not sure how that worked out, um, but all of them screamed

and I was loving it. I almost stood up at the end and wanted to be like, you're great, they did fantastic. Um, you know what, being on the plane is scary. Screaming the whole time is kind of a natural reaction that other people suppress out of it is. I was just talking about this with um blank check blank check host David Sims and former Night Called guests Richard Lawson this weekend because they are both nervous flyers and I am not, and I'm very grateful for it,

I guess. But also the entire act of fine is completely abstract to me, so I don't understand, like, oh, it's because that's one of the things where I'm like, I don't know how a plane works and stays up in the air. Really wait, did you miss ninth grade science? I know what supposed like a like a jet stream and you know, the air currents are keeping it up, but like the fact that it stays up is crazy.

My issue with flying, beyond having children, is that the physical changes that happen when you're in an airplane, Like I'm very sensitive in general, I guess to sort of like the elements, well yeah, but also like the way that you get dried out and like my ear lobes started like throwing. It's a weird thing because it's like a bus in the sky, a sky bus sky bus, but it almost feels like being in the microwave for six hours at ten power. It's not like you're not

being like totally cooked, but like a little bit cooked. Mom, who is a nervous flyer, likes to pretend she's on a train because that makes her feel calmer. But it's really hard to pretend you're on a train if you look yeah, being I like, I like trains. Trains are great, and being on a plane is like inherently kind of uncomfortable.

It's up. I think the thing that would make me nervous if I really started to dial and think about it was another thing we were talking about, which is just like all the things that like one little thing can go wrong, as far as the checklist before flight happens, and and everybody's toast. And they were telling me about they were telling me about some case recently of some

kind of budget airline. I want to say it was an Indian airline and they just forgot to pressurize the cabin before the flight went up, and everybody just started bleeding out of their ear drawings, which is just like my night and then suddenly you know, of course, then I'm like, oh god, that's horrible, Like flying is a nightmare. But like you know, it's just this one little thing. People are cavalier about space travel when you know billionaires

that are sending people to space. They're like, we'll all just be going too space. And then we talk about space madness, where it's like, you know, your brain can't handle a long journey through the cospital. Also, there was just something recently about the radiation levels on Mars, and if you went to Mars you would just be like complete a radiod like I was thinking about the other day because I was looking at Mars because I love Mars and it's been out a lot, uh, and I

was just like, who looks at that? And it's like we should go put like fucking hotels on it. No, I know it doesn't need to be gentrified exactly. Do not gentrify marks. Yeah, leave the Martians alone, Leave the Martians alone. I was going to say, Emily, that was Stanley Kubrick's reason for not flying. The pressure eyes. No, the idea that like one little thing could go wrong. He was like too obsessive and just was like he

didn't trust anybody else to be as obsessive. That's right exactly, and that's why he shot like in England and all that stuff, because he wouldn't leave. I'm I'm of his camp. Although I have to say it was really nice to go back to New York. I hadn't been back in a while. And I went for the Tribeca TV Festival because my husband was in a an indie pilot that was written and directed by my friend Bridget who also is Molly's friend. She went to high school with us.

It's called I was a teenage all queen. I'm plugging it right now. Um. But we also saw four other pilots that were it was just fun Like it was nice to like have a semi professional reason to go like do something like that. Was really excited because she met Lynn Shelton who were all told her about the podcast Thailand. I know you're listening to have a pilot. No, she was a guest, she was she was a plus fellow plus ones. Um. But yeah, I met like a

lot of really cool, interesting people. Use you're not a big New York person in general, even though you are from there. I'm from there. The tricky thing for me about New York is that it would be like I mean, it's everybody has that thing of like, you know, it just makes you feel old when you go back to where you're from and it looks totally different and everything is closed. But New York used to be so gross and I loved that about it, and um, I ended up.

I was at Washington Square Park and it was so like fancy. I mean, it was ridiculously fancy. And then I went I was like, I had to take my toddler to the bathroom and we went in and they were like horrible. Count I was just like, this looks like the w but it's like a public bathroom. And then I just kept park that Needle Park. What was Needle Park? I think Needle Park may have been Washington Square Park. I thought that was Tompkins Square. Oh, that

would make more maybe. Um, when I was a kid, Washington Square was the park that I went to, and now Union Square Park is like the where you take your kids. Uh my my son made a lot different dance to the Harry Christmas. Yes. Yeah, it was interesting too to see the different troops that were like campaigning at these parks. That was like no scientologists those are at Echo Park, like there are no I didn't they just had like it's like it's coastal affiliation. Uh huh.

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found myself. I sent Molly a bunch of pictures of trash and pigeon pooh well because I was like this, I don't see how hard the inner workings of how New York operates right now are just so mystifying to me because when I was growing up, it was like, you know, the trash, the dirt, like it was all kind of elemental to the city because it was like yeah, and it was kind of an acknowledgement of like it would take way too much work to tackle this guy's like way too much money, way too much work. It's

just not going to happen. And now there's this like mysterious thing of like you know, I mean, obviously their answers to these questions, but the fact that homeless people have been basically like eliminated from the streets is very disturbing to me because in l A obviously that's that's something where um, I'm like privy to a lot of that dialogue, and I don't I don't really know where they all went. Actually, there was a lot of homelessness in New York the last time I went there. What

I learned they corralled them into subway stations. Uh okay, because I mean that was the thing of like when I was growing up, it was it was just basically like you know, it looked a lot more like l A. Now. Yeah. Also, just going I went to sty Town, um, and they have like movie nights and an ice skating rink apparently in the winter, and it's all of these pristine playgrounds, and I was just like, this is very nice, Like

it doesn't but it doesn't seem like New York. That's why In New York, because I'm an Old New York. Then you make like the Stanley Kubrick eyes watch shut, like the version from your Memories. Yes, yeah, you build it on a set. It was. It was really great. I got to see my friend Rachel, who hadn't seen in a long time. Um, and we went to a restaurant where oh we were trying to find a place to eat and it was obviously like a weekend night,

so impossible. We didn't have reservations anywhere, and we wandered into this restaurant where we could sit at the bar

or lounge. And we went to the bar and it was pretty full, but there was a woman sitting with two seats on either side of her, and she was alone, and she had bags on the seats next to her, and we were like, hey, do you mind just scooching over one seat or like moving your bag so that we can sit and she was like, sweethearts, I can't and we were like good why and she was like you have to understand, I'm meeting a man who I

haven't seen him in thirty years. And we were but he's not going to take all these seats, like what do you need them for? And she was like, look at the lights and she was like under a little light that was like slightly more amber than the other lights, but they were like identical reasons other than it was like a little warmer. And she was like I got here at five and it was like seven thirty, Like I got here at five, and I'm just waiting for him and like I have to be sitting in this seat,

and we were like, funck fine. She was like, I'm not crazy, and we were like you are crazy. I don't know. So then we walk around to like go somewhere else, and a couple pulls us over and they're like, oh, we've been here for an hour. She did that to us. She did that to them, like pointing, just like she had iced out everybody who had tried to sit at the bar. And they were like, I don't think this guy is gonna show up, like how you known like

some listeners. He did show up, because we were eating at the lounge and we were like waiting to see and she was like in her maybe late fifties, and then this guy comes in and he's like her age and he sits down and when we left, they were making out. Yeah. I was like, I'm going to be reading Modern Love for like the rest of my life, just to try and find that is genuinely a beautiful,

in romantic, a wonderful story. It was, but I was still kind of pissed because I was like, I don't know, I mean, like I really would have preferred to sit at the bar one of the things that I had suggested talking about UFO religions. I've been just really into religions. Well, I when Molly proposed this, I was like, what do you mean? She was like scientology. It's like, well, I was like, there's a bunch of them. Wait, what do

you mean by UFO religion. They're like a bunch of Okay, So there's like religions, religions that are based around either like post atomic age relation post atomic age, like like sixties and seventies, Like we're trying some stuff out and here's what it is. Um, Scientology is one of them. But there's also the realiens. Oh yes, Um, it's people who believe that the UFOs coming is the rapture basically,

and the people in independence No exactly and unarious. Um. Have you guys ever seen v the eighties TV miniseries, Yeah, yeah, The Lizard, the lizard people. One that's super scary where it's like the it's like it's the v as the visitors, and it's like all these spaceships just arrive and like stand over all the big cities, like an Independence day, and then the visitors come out and they're like we're good, like trust us. And then they turned out to be

lizard people. But it's all about the people being like should we trust the visitors like they say they're good and they want to help us. And then I just learned that it was actually just an adaptation of Upton Sinclair's It Can't Happen Here? Oh really Yeah, and then it was pitched originally as a story about like Nazis in America, and they were like that's too intense, too hot, too hot, too hot, so they changed it to aliens. But there's all this stuff in it about like the visitors.

They like. What they do is they like suppress science so that nobody will do the science that will find out their lizard people. How do they suppress the science? They like start killing scientists. Okay, let's let's say this for a later episode, because it feels like there's a lot I just wanted to bring it into the nightcall Spear because um, it's something I think we will revisit. Let's take a nightcall. I think we have one about cheese.

This email comes from Lena and she writes from Leicester, England. Um, in part I am not reading the whole email, but I'm going to cut right to the chase. Every time I've told someone I don't like cheese, people react as if I just viciously insulted their infant child. My father and friends have, on many occasions, has tried to trick me into eating concealed cheese to prove that this has all been a lifelong ruise on my part since birth. I'm twenty five years old. That is a long time

to keep up a weird and very specific food based prank. Finally, I found this study where these scientists scan the brains of like three people who all don't like cheese and found that they have the same the same abnormality in their brain with a link to that we will put in an addendum to this episode. My dream is to save up enough money to get my brain scanned and then have the result printed out on tasteful business cards to hand out to people. L O l Thank you, Lena.

So this is a scientific It's like the people who think um cilantro tastes like soap or brussels or the like bitterness the brain. I should clear clarify because she was, you know, she was responding to me talking about the fact that I don't eat cheese, and um, I wouldn't say that I have a natural aversion to cheese. I used to eat a lot of cheese. I lived in the Midwest, I lived in Dairy Country County, went to I went to dairy Queen like every you know, every

chance I got um. But um, I stopped drinking milk I think, I want to say in my sophomore year because I saw we had to watch a video about how milk is made in industrialized society, and it was so horrifying that, I mean, I would still drink dairy products, have dairy products, but I wouldn't drink just plain milk because that it was too reminiscent of all these cows being pushed into these metal milking devices and stuff. It was just really unpleasant. But you eat meat, right, I

do eat meat? Yeah, So how no, I'm I don't. I'm not saying it doesn't makes any sense. I don't know. I want to say that my dietary got actses are part of some larger philosophy, got in there, very selective and silly. No. I appreciate that because I think it is sort of like, well, it's also like if anybody had to look at like how things are made, we'd all be vegans, just like Paul McCartney. So I was vegan.

So the real thing is that I was vegan then for about three years, and when I wanted to stop being vegan because I was tired and run down all the time, and I wonder if I just like wasn't eating properly or needed a more I don't know. I was just trying everything at that point. So I tried to stop beating vegan. So I started eating meat again, but I could not eat cheese. It made me barf um. So I I kind of feel like maybe that's a more bizarre thing for people to eat. I wouldn't say,

I don't know. Lactose intolerance is real. Yeah, of course it is, and I probably am lerant, and there are some like groups that are predisposed to lactose intolerance. But there are people who are lactose intolerant and still love cheese and dairy products. But I am one of those people for sure, But I don't love all cheese like I'm not one of those people. I personally find Well, she is from England, are from England, and that's like

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or your favorite podcast directory and search for dead Man Talking. Yeah. Um, speaking of eating like you know, being kind of a hypocrite about eating habits, I don't eat octopus, as we've talked about before. But um, I just really quickly because Molly sent us a very interesting article from the New York Times that was I think three days ago. So well I just text you guys ideas for the podcast,

and they're just like octopus on ecstasy. Well, we have to just address the fact that they a bunch of scientists gave some octopied some ecstasy and they had they had a like they put the octopus in a tank with another octopus that was hiding under like an upturned pot in case one you know, the octopus on drugs

got aggressive and wanted to beat up the octopus. The other octopus had a place to hide, and then they had a toy, and when they gave the octopus ecstasy, it became like hyper social and wanted to give hugs, you know, like a like a raver. They wanted to call its family and just say, like, I just want to let you guys know, I love like they're normally solitary, but they like just wanted to cuddle an octopus. And so that just like further solidifies my stance that it's

you cannot eat octopus are too smart. They're too cute and smart. Yeah, and whims like, well, pigs are too, so everybody's a hypocrite. Vegans are smarter than I got mad at my friend Paul, who's a vegan, because he was like excitedly talking about killing mosquitoes, and I was like, aren't you a vegan. He was like, mosquitoes don't deserve to live. They're the deadliest animal. He's a hundred percent right, I know. But he was also like, I'm not a

vegan because I like care about animals. I'm a vegans, like I don't like any food wait, really, he's not an ethical vegan. He's just like a a picky person. I was. I was not an ethical vegan. I was a vegan because it was cheap and I went through what's the thing that like people always associate with Gwyneth Paltrow where you just like selectively stop eating different things? Yeah, I was like mildly orthorexact for like most of my life.

So I just decided like I had, you know, uh, narrowed down most right, and you some people who liked it because it's like the it's just so limiting and that can be Yeah, it gives you so much and when you're poor also, it's like, well, there's there were only a few things that I could afford, and now doesn't it doesn't lead to eating well necessarily, I feel like a lot of them. So many unhealthy vegans just eat like niff and like rice and beans. What is

niff niff? Uh? Nutritional useful? I do not like. I find those disgusting. They're like a substitute for cheese. But well I love them. They're do you okay? So do you like other? This brings me to my next cheese question. Um. Also in the email, there's in a different part of it. She talks about the part of what she finds off putting about cheese is that it's just hard milk. Yes,

And I think that's very evocative, very evocative. Um, it's a secretion, it's a hardened secretion I have, Like if something is like else gross to me, like I don't want to eat it. Yeah, that's I mean, I think that that's universal. It's not because some people like cheese that I find disgusting and I I do not. I cannot funk with it at all. I don't do. I mean, I'm not huge into cheese, as I've said, I'm not like, you know, a total I don't know, hard line with cheese.

I'm incredibly picky about what kind of cheese I like. I like the soft, mild cheese. But you know what I don't like is there was this thing going around online recently that was like it was like a puff pastry. It was huge, like a cauldron, and it was just filled with melted cheese as like an edible, entire fondue pot. I was like, why is that appealing too much? It's just too much. I'm also, this is not going to be a popular opinion. Um, and I'm excited for fighting

about it, but I do not like caso. Oh that you're wrong. I'm not. I've never had cas is fantastic. I do not care for it. Really, Emily, you've never had it. I love It's a Texas I know, but you've never I had cheese curds like you don't have to talk about She's been like a real text Max, like Boom in Los Angeles because at home State, I'm not. I'm not crazy about the text Max Moon because I'm like, we have like Max Max. I'm like, yeah, Max, we don't need but people love ques so I don't get

it at all. It's like gross nacho cheese. Basically my mom used to make um quies so when I was growing up, and it was just velvita cheese and rotel tomato. Okay, that's the classic I've had that. I never really got into that it was. It was also so foreign to me. It was like, I don't know, it felt so decadent. I couldn't it's super decadent. It's hard because it's like you don't care what you're dunking in it? What about you could dunk anything in it? Where do you guys

fall on Swan? Do I like Fawon? Do I miss Fawon? Do? Honestly? Because I like Swiss? You do? Wait what you just my mind just exploding. You like Swiss cheese? I get Emily's cheese. I mean I get it that I must. So I'm talking about when I when I ate cheese, Swiss cheese was good. I liked all. I liked all the Swiss cheese. I'm not a huge fan of fond I'll go for it. Maybe. I think I went to fondue with you, Molly, in a place in the valley,

maybe La fond or something. You'll go to La. There's like this one weird seventies fondue place in the valley. I don't know if it's still open. I loved that it's still existed. It's sort of It's very similar to like the weird French restaurant that's in Punch Drunk Glove, Yes, where he beats up the bathroom that's also there, Oh yeah, or like yeah, Tay is like legitimately old. This is like a seventies attempt at like recreating the old world.

Country Country kitchen is just so greasy when you melt cheese. That's the issue with melting cheese because I make this thing that is colloquially known as funeral potatoes because when someone dies, you bring them. Oh, it's it's a Midwestern thing and it's it's like also grotten, but it's like, yeah, you bring them to a funeral. Yeah, because when someone dies,

you're supposed to. It's like it's weak food exactly, and it's it's calorie rich show if you have no appetite because it's comforted because it has like no seasoning except salt and nutmeg. But it's the problem. Would not make yeah, nutmeg because nutmeg, nutmeg is nutmeg makes also makes nutritionally east flakes tastes like more like she nut makes one of the best spices. Nutmeg is often infant fund you.

I believe y'all. It's pumpkin spice season. I'm souring on, which also means it's ghost always going to say, what goes with pumpkin spice. It's better than I could ghost. It was the first day of fall, like two days ago. I was so happy. I'm such a basic be I fucking love it. Um. I was just so excited. I'm like the person that's excited about the idea of the nights becoming longer in the days becoming shorter, which I know nobody else is, but I know, I'm I I

feel that. You know, it's just less time I have to wear sunscreen, and that to me is like very valuable. Now it sucks. You guys are both wrong. And I just don't like the heat, Like it gets cool at night. It could be cool and it doesn't have to mean that night last like for fifteen hours. I don't like it, So it doesn't matter in Los Angeles, like here, it's really like, okay, well, I'm ready to go die for five That's true. It's true. That's why. That's literally why

I live here. It's just to not I didn't know that about fall until I experienced real New England fall. It's definitely a different thing. And you understand, I used to like everything fall and winter much more when I didn't live in New York City. I still lived in that climate because you got all the beauty of it without all the like, without the feeling of like the walls are about to close in and there's nothing but wait, Molly, what's special about fall? Well, aside from the delightful nutmeg

flavored beverages. Um. The autumn equinox was a couple of days ago, which is the day when the veils between the spirit worlds are easiest to penetrate. Finally, finally, um. And so my friend Emma Cunningham, who is like fifth Beetle status and Nightcall, she's out of the p a at the Night Call live show, like and did who were there? She did close up, close up card magic and she's just an all around great cool person. So she rented a ghost ometer, a ghost hunting thing. What

did it look like? It looks It looked like exactly what you would sinking ghostbusters. It was like a little kind of look like a amp pedal or something. It's just like a little electronic or look like the thing that you hold on the wall to find nails. Okay, yeah, a stud gunder stud finder. But it has did have a laser, No, yeah, it also had a laser. It was like a two part thing. It came with a laser, so you had to point the laser and then hold the ometer. How else are you going to penetrate that?

And the ghostometer has like a little different sectors of like it's got like a little oometer and it's like green, yellow, red, orange of like, how how much ghost how? So I met up with her on the Equinox in Korea Town and I was also like, what a great place to look for haunted things. There's so many old creepy things in go to the place where the ambassador we did. We went. She was like, where do you want to go? And I was like, I have a very specific like

let's go to the old bullocks. I saw you were looking for ghosts in the pies. Yeah, you can find ghosts in that's an old building. We went in there. First, we went in the hotel, uh that Hotel Normandy right until Normandy. Oh my god, Hotel Normandy. Yeah, and we went in like the weird lobby there that has like it's very like shining e and there, you know, there's just didn't they did they rehab it because it shows up sometimes when I'm looking for people then and I'm like,

this place used to be so so creepy. They turned it into a boutique hotel, but it's still totally creepy. Looks like the overlook and when you go inside, you know, it's like there's like the good restaurant Cassels, which is really good and has really good pies. And then there's like the big lobby that they were letting people wait for tables in. But it's like it's it's exactly like the it's just very creepy and art deco and the other place. And I feel like it's really haunted around there.

That I've read about. I feel like, is the Gay Lord. Yeah, we went, so we went to the Gay Lord. We went to find where did you find the ghosts? Well, okay, don't disappoint I will disappoint you. Disappointingly, none of the places we went to that were reputedly super haunted revealed any ghosts whatsoever. And then some random places would like

set the meter off very um. The one place we got a really high reading outside was in front of the church that's now I think a mosaic church, but like across from the line, but where there's like the Walk of Fame star for Jesus Christ got a ghost reading and I was like, well, that makes sense because he's the holy ghost, right like Jesus. Jesus is technically a ghost. No, but that's okay, might talk about this more. I just learned about the Holy Ghost. So I hated

at the whole point. There's a it's it's separate from you, no, I know, but I have a lot of questions about Like it's like the Breath of Jesus was one thing I read Theologs of Theologians, Theologians Theologians of nightcall let us know, yeah, let us know if you think Jesus is a ghost, as as your hottest take on the Trinity place, and then just in a couple of other random places such as like a barber shop. I think we just were outside. Do you think that was like

the ghost of hair? So we did, like we walked around, we went to a lot of different sort of every old building I could think of. Yeah, and like kind of over by where the Ambassador Hotel is for RFK got assassinated. But you know, my friend Emma was being sort of more of the molder. She was like, I'm gonna say, like, the ghosts surreal and we're finding them, and we're also like maybe they don't come out during the daytime as much. Who knows how it was daytime

ghost hunting. Are these things work? They measure frequencies, they measure temperature. Do you know she was having a nighttime ghost hunting party, uh in slumber party. But I couldn't go because I was going to Jay z Ambilance. But you can we do some daytime ghost stunning. But wait a second, how does that You're you're avoiding answering this because maybe you don't know how does the ghostometer work? What is it measuring? Guess what I do know? Oh

my bluff. Because I was the scully, I was like, I want to know, like, debunk this for me. What is this measuring? And she was like, well, it's measuring electromagnetic fields. Okay. So one of the other places we got a very high ghost reading was a school that was probably the most the most ghostie that we got a ghosts love children, like we've talked about on the podcast,

is that children can see ghosts and babies can see. Yeah, that grownups can, but wouldn't like computers, Well that would be boring correct maybe answer about what was actually happening, But it was still really fun to do. Can you tape this next time? Yeah? I also brought a book with me today because I was very excited about this. That's The ghost Hunter's Guide to Los Angeles. It looks

like an old book. Um. And when I went to the jay Z and Beyonce concert, it was at the Rose Bowl, which is in Pasadena along the Arroyo Seco, like very close to Doubles Gate actually, and it was just like a very very you know, like a fun, communal, witchy event to be at a lot of a lot of moon harvest. How witchy can it be there? If I decided, I was kind of like, he has to stand there while she like tells us all like what

he's done wrong, and he has to take it. And there's something kind of satisfying about that, you know, like they would like, you know, do big pimpin and then follow it with like a Beyonce song about like no, no, no, fucky that pimping away. So we have another night call this week about some creatures. Hi, I'm very behind and I'm just now listening to you guys talk about whales and how whales came from the land, which is creepy.

But then he talked about hippos and I had to call in because, um, I'm obsessed with the story of hippos moving to Colombia. So you should definitely look it up. But Pablo Escobar had a weird zoo on his property and he had all these hippos brought from Africa, and when he was arrested, they started escaping. And now Colombia has all of these hippos and it's like exactly the same climate of Africa, but without the drought. So they're

becoming the dominant predator. And everyone thinks hippos are cute and cuddly, just like Carvel did, but actually they are dangerous and terrifying and I think like the second or third most like deadly predator. So it's a huge problem. And Columbia doesn't want to kill them because Columbia has reputation problems and so it's just becoming this like epic problem and they're just everywhere and it's an amazing story.

And I just thought you guys should know. So happy night call, I like, happy night call is like a as like a greeting or a happy night call, and a happy night call, can I just say that good night. I loved this call so much. I had never heard about this, had you guys know it. But it's fairly well documented because as soon as you start typing in Pablo Escobar hippos. You get our suggestions. Um tess, you were once obsessed with the Fidel Castro's tiny cows, right, yeah,

I was. I mean it just the idea of tiny animals is very intriguing to me, but unfortunately they're not really real. Yeah, I can't really do so. I think this is like a big problem. I mean even you know, I think throughout history, but like I guess a lot during the Victorian times when people would like the exotic

pets thing was a big craze. And I saw this like very very funny short film for a film festival I was during once that was about um, a panther that was loose in the Italian countryside, and it kind of became this sort of white whale for all these old guys. They all wanted to like kill this panther that apparently had escaped from somebody's home because they thought it would be cool to own a panther. Uh yeah, so they think twice next time you you decide you

want to own a raccoon. Actually, raccoons are a bad example, but I always fantasized about I watched a documentary about raccoons that is very good and on YouTube it's like a Canadian PBS documentary or something you can watch where one of the things that talked about was like a lot of people in Japan getting raccoons as pets because of the success of Palm Poco and well that those were like tan of keys though I thought so, I thought, but it was kind of talking about like maybe it

was just saying that, like raccoons are brought into cities and then they adapt so incredibly well to living in city. Right, they're so smart. They're smart, and they have thumbs, they have they're fully human. Um, they can practically drive cars. Yeah, it's like cars are their main predator in the city.

That's like their main issue. Back to hippo so real quick and Emily found a really good thing on motherboard on Vice's motherboard about how the hippos are having so much sex and like, I think you're trying to castrate the hippos. Um, yeah, they're trying, and they've only succeeded in castraaing for it as of this article which was from So maybe they've done more. But I didn't understand it so much to be that they couldn't kill them for reputational reasons. But just that it's like really really

fucking hard to kill. No, they're huge and they will kill you know. Here's the deal. National Geographic did an interview with an environmental expert from Colombia and he was like, Okay, so this basically Pablo Escars. The state was called Hacienda Napoles and Um and it's open as like a theme part. Yeah exactly, so so dark and it's like it has like some of them most of the animals were relocated, but some of the animals remain, like an ostrich and like they claim a rare goat, which like I don't

know what that means, but neverlands. Yeah, there's there's twenty eight hippos at the Haciana and this is from also a couple of years ago. We could use an update, but forty others in like nearby lakes and rivers. But the guy was like, so hippos are super dangerous and

they're the number one deadliest animal in Africa. But he was like when people started proposing that they kill the hippos, everyone, it was like a huge scandal and everyone was like no, because he said he used the word charismatic like three times in this rideoun it's very very funny. It was like hippos are charismatic, and they you can't eat them. You can't eat hippo meat because they carry diseases. So you couldn't be like we're farming the hip like you know,

we're gonna take the hippos. At least we're gonna eat them. You would just be killing the hippos and just to like get rid of them. And everybody was very upset because it's also I get it. I mean, if you knew they were hipp they're really cute. The babies are super cute, So I don't know, I'm kind of just scared.

I've never really had the hippos are cute face because their mouths are so terrifying, and I remember just being scared of them and the jungle they but they've got like round efaces, the baby faces and the tiny little twitching crocodile is scary. Well, it's not warmpo even though it has like giant teeth. It's like very cute. Um. There is a mascot at the park who knows who

responds to her name, and her name is Vanessa. So it's also like you can't like have a hippo mascot and then be like, Okay, all of Vanessa's relatives who like escaped, you can just like it's open season on them. But like, but meanwhile, here's Vanessa, who's like a dog who comes when she's called. You know, I want to know, like what other species are they decimating? Oh otters and manatees.

And they're also they also mess up all the rivers because that they start algae blooms because of their poop. It's too much. Can they can they like put them all in like a hippo hippo sanctuary, You probably needs so much room though, because I think and I think, it's just so hard to round them up. Yeah, that's like I think it's easier to kill them maybe than

to round them up. That's why when they when when Escobar died and all the rest of the animals in his menagerie were rounded up and put into zoos and you know wherever. But they couldn't they couldn't handle the hippos. And also like I think all these zoos were like, it's cool, we have one hippo, we don't need more. And everyone was like sure, we got like six hippos here and they were like, no, we don't want those hip because hippos. Yeah, I mean, if you have a

hippo to zoo, it's like a huge liability. That's someone like you know, your kid falls in the cage, goodbye, Nobody's going to save the kid because like nobody wants to wrestle with a hippo. You know, just dark, dark times it is. I say, one of my favorite details from this, outside of the hippos themselves, is just this actual park that was on his compound, the Hassian and Nipples, whose sign if you look it up, just looks like the Jurassic Park sign. Yes, it's the same. Fun It

is so crazy. I don't know. It must be on purpose because they have I think they would have been like the nineties or something whenever I don't know, or maybe they didn't know he died. I don't know a ton about it, but like, didn't he build the theme park? Is like like the people loved him because he built

the theme park. Well, I think I don't know if it was like because he did do that, he would do kind of like civic improvements to be like I'm not just selling cocaine, I'm also doing this and that and they were like, Okay, but I think I'm investing back in the community, right. But a lot of his estate was just for his own ship. Like he had like a big collection of like vintage cars and like a sculpture made out of dinosaur bone, the hippos in the vintage cars. There was a go kart, uh like,

So it's like a Ritchie rich house. It's basically it's like that house in life and how where you're like the dream house of like a ten year old, like a slide from one floor to the bottom floor, zip lines, hidden room of candy from around the world. Well that does it for this this week's Night Call. Thanks to everybody who wrote in and called in. Keep him coming.

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