Darcie's Inferno

this is air tight. We had to go through a lot of people. Yeah, Darcy's playing the role of tests this week. Test us out with some Jerry Duty. Good good luck to you. We want to just we just burned a cool five minutes trying to decide what the righting of was Yeah used to be in We were like Emily was like, we can't. We have to get the one that we would want to be associated with.

So we went with hearsay. I believe yeah, because we were just being very shady off being shady so before the show started, and you don't want to be like violent where it's no I don't want to be I don't want to own that. I feel like Emily has been talking about medieval torture and death a lot on Twitter. Yeah, but not not from a pro perspective, just in a like of when we stopped doing that. I've been so into the medieval, the middle and never before. Yeah, maybe

it's having a moment. Well, it is having a moment because it's another thing the alt right is trying to steal what medieval all this that's fair. So yeah, that's all right. But I saw that I thought of you, yeah, because that was when we went to the Renaissance Fair Andrew t was like, yeah, how is this not like super racist? And I was like, because it's l a so it's like better than you would expect by another year.

It's a little Yeah. I mean I've I was never into the medieval, and then I've gone to the Renaissance Fair a couple of times now with our friend Jane Murray, and I liked the Renaissance Fair and I get into it from a medieval torture perspective. Emily, what what made you start thinking about the wheel of death all the time? Well, okay, so I um, I think I started talking about it because I was watching Oh because I had seen Unfriended

Dark Web, which is UM. A lot of that movie is about snuff films UM, and it kind of sent me down a very kind of like because that's the dark webs, what is the arc of human experience? Send like like this this watching this movie, this like kind of stupid horror movie that has some sort of like just because of the way it's made, makes you really kind of believe that you could be watching a real

snuff film, and like, my my mind just recoils. But then I just started thinking about how like one unmidieval person recoil at that at that like if you're seeing people being dragged down street every day and torn limb from limb and like broken on the wheel and everything.

We're gonna throw in a fun fact I learned for another podcast but didn't get to say, so I'm gonna say it here, which is that when when Wes Craven was making The Last House on the Left, apparently the actress who started it wasn't sure the whole time if it might just be a snuff film because it was so low budget, and they were like, it's also really dark and rape yea, and they probably weren't you know, up to code as far as taking care of talent and all of that was the thing they were like

it was so low budget that like she wasn't sure and she'd been in some exploitation films before, but she was genuinely a little bit worried that, like the big finale was going to be that they killed her, but they didn't. Yeah, that kind of that kind of you know, I've never seen that movie and I don't really plan on. Oh, it's really good. It makes you feel real like scuzzy inside, like some of those seventies exploitation movies too. But that's why.

That's the thing is like I feel like everybody goes through a period, some of them lifetime that you seek out that kind of stuff because you're like, oh somebody, what if somebody, you know, faces death? Stuff like that. And I feel like the first stuff that came on the Internet was all that stuff like rotten dot com, Like, hey, here's the internet. You can use it to see somebody dying in a video, which is what we were talking

about last week with Ben's VR experience. Like the first thing you do when you have a new piece of technology, like, what's it like to me some death? This brings us to our our our topic that we wanted to discuss with Darcy this week. Yeah, we have a sub topic before we get start with Fanny to die. The main in a Fanny pack. The main threst of this episode is uh. This episode is called Darcy's Inferno. It was inspired by Darcy's obsession with Dante's Inferno. We'll get to

that in a moment, but first Fannie packs Darcy. Oh yeah, I'm Darcy Wilder. Um, I'm on Twitter. I'm three three three three three three three three three four three three three three three. I messed up when I was trying to tell my husband what your Twitter? I just say, it's a bunch of three, Like, I can't believe you know how many three? Sir said many times nine? It's nine in the beginning and then five, and they do

say code. The code was that I had an anonymous Twitter so that I could get a nine to five job and not have it be traced to me. How's that working out for you? I quit to be on my follow my dreams being on zoo Lander two ums, and I'm on Instagram, where I've been doing Hell Month, um, after Ladder Month and Knife Month, and I think I realized you said when you were doing the glass bricks and I couldn't stop seeing glass bricks everywhere. Now I

see ladders everywhere. Yeah, when did you start doing the themed months? Was nine month the first one? Yeah? Because um, this teen I follow from New Orleans. I mean it comes from like stand Twitter and like you know, the underbelly of of maybe anime Twitter. And it was just like I think, taken from a culinary blog and it was just June is NiFe Month, and then they took that. So then I was like, I'll just post pictures of knives.

And then I figured out that I really like a theme, so I picked, you know, the most boring one of which I know. That's the thing about picking a theme for your life, Like when I was doing the glass bricks, like if first everybody got into it with me in my life and then eventually they you have to stop so many interventions you're not going to get them off. Well.

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a journey into my soul. I saw where your phone died and you had my phone went down the wrong side of the mountain, And then I don't think it's hitchhiking if you convince people to let you take an uber with them. But it's basically, it's basic. It's the newest paking. I was like wearing my Fannie pack that that was the whole thing actually was that I downloaded my stuff into a Fannie pack so I only needed

my like so I didn't bring my wallet. And then I was like down on the other side of the mountain and I was like, oh, I didn't bring any of my stuff, So like all the hab is my wiles? What what what type of Fannie pack? Perhaps is there a beautiful, a beautiful Fannie pack. I bought at a store in Echo Park that a gift shop. They had them outside on the models and I said, how much is this? I think it's like fake East Bay. It's

like East Bag. Yeah yeah, yeah, seven dollars and it has multiple I'm gonna take a picture of it and posted on the on the Night Instagram later. This is a fashion podcast also, Emily, could you tell could you tell our listeners about your outfit today? Oh it is My outfit was described. I thought that it would make Molly happy, just because I was wearing both my jackline and shirt, which I got in Tokyo or don't know,

I got it in Osaka. I got all my good shirts in Osaka, and then um, and then my Dodger's hat, which because it's just a horrible day today and uh in New York it's very hot and miserable, and I was telling Darcy that the hotter it gets, the more I just started to dress like a child. Um, just wearing like what I imagine a kid wears when they go to a theme park, so that the parent never loses talk of them, because they're wearing like a bright color and like a hat I like, And I like

that style too. I realized I was dressed as as a mast from Earthbound. Recently Fanni packs Fannie. Yes, mine fits my phone charger, which I find helpful. Is this the one right here? Because I can see you have a lovely black herschel? Thank you, Fannie Pack. I got this in the mail today. Oh nice. But I've been using.

My friend Chrissie gave me a Fannie pack in two thousand and sixteen and I was like, this is perfect because it's an Arizona iced tea any pack that's the pattern of you know, the green tea with honey yea. And I tried to wear it and I was like, the zeitgeist was not where it needed to be. Yeah, right now, could rock that. And so I've been using that and it's great, But um, who told people to wear fanny packs over their shoulders? I don't. I really dislike it. Against it hard And this is my most

controversial opinion. And I felt so guilty too because people were tagged in the comments and I was like, I don't it was a moral judgment I cast on them and I don't think like I I try to avoid those, but it's just like it seems really cloying to wear it around your well, you have something heavy in it in order to do that, Otherwise it'll just sell off your shoulder. I only know this from experience of trying to wear I will admit it on the air here. I tried to wear a fanny pack over my shoulder

once a coach ella. I don't know why exactly. For some reason, I thought that it wasn't going to work around my waist with whatever I was wearing, so I was like, I get it out of the way, and like it changes a silhouette. Yeah, yeah, I think I had so. Yeah. I also tried in I impulsively got a jam sport one that I since disposed of because I was like, when our Fannie pack is going to come back? And I was trying it out and I was like, why did I spend twenty dollars on this

dumb bag? And I tried it a shoulder bag and I was like, well, this will never work, and like donated it. But I just think it's like trying so hard, and if I wanted a shoulder thing, I would just have my backpack but put something in it, saying it's like a Fannie pack is for when you don't want the shoulder weight of a backpack, but I hadn't noticed

it yet. I feel like it was only in fashion magazines at first, and then it's like one of those things where they're like models off duty do this thing. Wouldn't you like to be like a bottle off duty just in the street wearing fanny pack in a weird way? And then I saw it for the first time in the wild last week at this podcast because the podcast studios on Melrose, which is where all the hype pieces in l A hang out, and I saw like a

lot of teenagers doing it. Mm hmmm, and I would like just fall off, And don't you just look like a fool all the time when you do it like constantly? It just was part of the look. I don't I don't think there's maybe like nothing in it. Maybe maybe that's that's that's even that's even harder because you have if you have a weight in it, then it will kind of at least dig into your shoulder a little bit and hang there. It's like wearing an empty topebag.

It will always fall off my shoulder, but if you have something in it, it holds it there. I don't know. I should probably move on and talk about hell but yeah, speaking of speaking of yes, there are no there are no teens out today because it's too hot even for the teens it is. So there's a heat advice up there, so goddamn hot. Yeah. The heat advisory is until eight pm tomorrow. Oh my god. So nobody's outside. You don't want to be outside. I'm very happy to be in

this studio. I was going to try to go out to l a and but my brother was there and he was like, save yourself time. It's on fire or will be at any moment. It for months. H But speaking of that hell month, hell month, hell month, Yeah, I was gonna go with fire month, but then um, Jessica Hopper saw the fire postons like is this hell Month? And I was like, that's so much better. So I did an adjacent pivot. Also, it's because, um, I feel my friend just handed me a copy of Dante's Inferno

when we were hanging out. Have you heard the good words? Um? So I feel like I'm like, am I taking his? But it's like, um, he did not know it would become an obsession in my life. But now there's a Yale podcast that's just a lecture on Dante's inferno so interesting, didn't you have it to recently where you were like, everything I do, I have to do until I'm good at it, and then I have to do it until

I die. That sounds like that sounds like something I have said before where I don't know if I ever get good, but I get really obsessed and then I'm done with it. That a lot. I can't get into things shallowly. It's either like all the way. Yeah. I mean I lost last month to vander Pump, which is you you improved it enhanced. I did my my studied, Like would you say you're like a casual Dante scholar right now? This month? I dabble yea, yeah, I'm I'm

I'm a beginner dabbler. Um. If it was a yoga class, it would be maybe the community yoga class that's open, but beginner. The donation at this point because you feel like you don't want to. I mean, it's so cool. I was watching a Dante documentary I found out all about that. Um in Florence. They it was like the guelfs, Oh my gosh, I have Some part of them were like, let's follow the pope, and the other part were like let's follow the emperor. And then Dante was not on

the right side. He was exiled, should I guess happened in more but not? Wait? Was which side was he on? The He was a white guelf and then the man black one, so he like the emperors were like more about secular law and then the pope people who were like super Christian, I think Catholic or whatever. Whatever. You know,

did he go at the pope or the emperor? He you he was on the side of the pope, but the black and the white were split where the white was kind of more anti authoritarian where I don't I haven't read enough about this, but they didn't like the current pope, the challenged hope. I'll do another one and

I'll decide it. But like they didn't like the current pope, which seems kind of like anti authoritarian, like to doubt a religious leader in medieval times or whatever, back when the pope was still seen as the actual hand of God here on earth. So was he exiled from Florence? Yeah, never to return. Well, guess what the Italian couple that gave me a ride in their uber last night? More from Florence. Oh it comes full cert have you watched

um any of the Dan Brown movies. I don't know why I said that first instead of instead of read the down Brown books, but I watched them. I don't know if I also, you said the Dan Brown movies instead of the da Vinci Code. Well, I couldn't remember that what was called. I was like, it's Dante's Circle, Dante Dante's I just had the harsh realization that the Da Vinci Code is Dante's Inferno adjacent and it's a little upseting. No, No, it's okay, because like Christian mysticism

is the most fun part about Christianity, right, Yeah. I think that's why I started getting into Dante, like uh uh. Noted scholar Jeff Rickley handed me Dante's Inferno, and I was like, oh no, because this is my new love. Yeah, it is. Because we're the we're the counter force dark Enlightenment. We have to study all the texts in order to come at it from the complete opposite angle. Well, I started to realize I was on the brink of a

rabbit hole. And I don't want to bring this up or get too too deep into it right now because and I can't really, but just like reading the thing about how the now they think like the Q and Non people are like Italian. They were like, like it's born of like this Italian anarchist like tradition, and a novel was written around like two thousand one or something about it. It's called cub But like whatever, But I don't know, I would do value to this sounds interesting.

I want to know all about this, but I was like I can't. I can't. I can. I feel like I'm going to get into that in like three years, Like guys, we're gonna get into it because Q and On is going to be the leader of America. But now they're saying that it's now there's a theory like even among people who like are more adjacent to it than it is just a giant roll job. But it's

all a troll, that's the whole thing about. But like that that it was planted as a by leftist, so an anarchist instead of just like people look crazy, which

is there's too many layers to all these things. That's why I was That's why I was interested in this though it's like, oh wait, they pranked like eight channers with something based on what we have to do we have to we have to outtroll the trolls, have to counter troll the racist trolls with like, I mean, Darcy, obviously you've been a part of weird Twitter for a long time, as have I and Emily. I guess like we're all adjacent umping an admirer from Afar adjacent to

weird Twitter. And there was a point at which, like weird Twitter, some of it split off into the alt right, yeah, or like the having the same jokes but saying it's ironic, and then it's just like right, which is how like

Vice paved the way for that. Yeah, then a person who's literally say that I hate yeah literally is a racist fascist now, so of shirts for everyone, it was the first time, like everyone always wore the shirts, and then I saw one in a thrift store and I was like, finally it's oh no, so I can never wear it. Was, well, that's it's not the first time those shirts have been uh this is there. It's like

eighties thing, it's like hardcore. Yeah, Like, it's not the first time that the red Prairie shirts have been used as a that's just brenning. You think that they go for something that's already tainted, like like like just Hugo boss stuff or whatever, but like something on their side having a uniform is so darky. Have you seen their initiation videos that are so dumb like they just get

like lightly punched by each other. It's like a weird like yeah, Like that's like one of those things where I'm just like, no, I don't want to It's like faces of death. I'm like you, you can never unsee it. I don't want to see it. I don't like I mean, I saw them in real life and I felt like physically repulsive. Yeah, yeah, that's how I feel about it. Speaking of of stuff like that, it comes back to all.

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summer anyway. All right, So this is an email from Brendan first time caller, emailing because it's expensive from a foreign place. Oh really, does it really cost more money to call from Canada? I can't believe. I don't know this anyway, long time listener shout out Girls in her Knies. Thank you. I was thinking about the ghost heavy early podcasts and I was wondering if all the monsters and goals of the world fought, wouldn't ghosts win at all?

Are there seemingly immortal demons, zombies, mummies, empires the career of Mel Gibson. Do at the end of the day have a weakness or something to defeat a ghost? How do you defeat a ghost? Avenge the ghost in real life? That would be exhausting for everyone to do, and they could still mess in your mind until they vanquished their foes. Thanks for the pod, Frasier Brendan from Canada. That was Fraser is like in places sincerely, um, which I appreciate. Yeah.

Also Brendan Fraser, Uh Fraser is Brendan Fraser, Canadian? I don't he seems like he could. He's like that. You're just thinking of that because didn't he play like Deadley do? Right? Yeah?

Probably Okay, so how do you defeat a ghost? Um, given everything that we think we know about ghosts, which I like how they started it with sort of a monster mash angle of Yah, there's a fight between all the ghosts and monsters who's gonna win, and that they were just jumped right to ghost or automatically obviously gonna win. But I like ghosts. Sorry, no, no, go ahead. I'm wondering if ghosts, ever, I don't know if they're competitive, because they seem like they haunt and they're just like

first four. Yeah, I don't think what they really have like a militaristic bent all ghosts or ghosts for very personal reasons, well from what I understand from what I know about ghosts. If a spirit, if a spirit doesn't you know, ascend to heaven or go down to the depths of the inferno, then maybe it's like they come back to Earth to haunt until they achieve some goal,

is what I imagine. Yeah, I mean I feel like when I think of like an like a bunch of ghosts banding together to do something, it's like very much I think it's on shaky ground to like even like Haunted Mansion when they all get together, I have a party or whatever. I don't know. Do you think the ghosts would party together? I feel like they'd all be loners. Maybe they try, but they like like in Casper, the three brothers kind of hate each other, but they're like,

We're like who else. Yeah, But that's what an interview with the vampire is like too. I think, just like immortality, you have so much more time to get sick of people's personal quirks, and they're not going anywhere, so there's no scarcity of like, oh, just spend their city. I guess. I guess what I'm saying is that I question that this fight would include ghosts in the first place. So its zombies, zombies and the mummies vampires and then a

joke about mel Gibson. But I mean, I feel like we could also add where signs, monster wolves, yeah, Frankenstein, all of the universal horror creatures, the creature from the Black Lagoon. No. I think, well, is this the Letters canon or is it like, is the Letter canon or are we doing the It's not specifically about the universal monsters. It's like all the monsters and goals of the world.

I think of this as being like mythical like classes of of creatures that have existed in different like in within I guess mostly Western mythology're making a game of thrones out of this. I'm thinking of them as like how zombie house, mummy, how they're not coordinated? You're thinking, That's what I think Darcy is saying. It's like, I don't know if the ghosts are unionized. I think they comely. While I'm not um sure on the definition of mortal plane.

I think that the ghosts don't don't exist on a mortal plane. Is that I'm not might not be using this correctly? Well, they might. I think they're not different planes. Yeah, they're like an airy because you can't kill them out of being here, which I feel like is the biggest I guess that's why why Brendan thinks that they would win, is that, like, there's nothing that binds a ghost to this plane except their emotions. Got a mess with their emotions,

they have to haunt someone. They're haunting someone because something didn't go right in their life and they have to come back and they're trapped on Earth until they resolve it. I mean, so they're already fucked. Like that's the that's the idea of ghosts is that they've already lost in some way, They've been cursed or something. I mean, I guess the same could kind of be said for vampires and zombies, but I don't know. Well, you know who is a great villain are the Mario ghosts? Spirit animal?

There's also pac Man ghosts. Oh those are terrifying shifty eyes. But from personal experience, I know that ghosts can only be asked to leave, you know, you can't go on from from he simil experience. So I diomed of ghosts when I was staying in a guest room and my uncle's guest room and his friend was like, she stayed in it when I was away, and she was like, oh, it's beyond haunted. I think there's a portal to the dark universe. And I was like, cool, I get nightmares

every night, you know. And what's reassuring is that a ghost can never take possession of your body unless you give it the okay, Like a spirit will not. Like you have dominion over your body and your you know, so as long as you are firm and that so to get I've also so I've done a lot of the smudges. He can also have some chance on I chance on for like on loop for like a while, like Gregorian chance. I downloaded a Tibetan Buddhist monk album. Whoa, Okay, I so I get I get really into things. Yeah

uh so. But then so I guess the best way to get rid of a ghost is a salt burning just like sea salt, and then you put it in a thing and then you put like rubbing alcohol on it. So I tried it. It did not go great. Fire alarm went off, and then it smells like, oh, you put an essential oil in. So I put like cedar, so it smells it's stunk of cedar in a way that was no longer enjoyable. Like now it's like when you skill perfume and you're like yeah, right, or like

too much incense. Yeah. But then a psychic held in my hand and was like, you don't have any like ghosts in your apartment? And I was like, because I did that or did I just yeah? So now I'm cured. But ghosts, But did you have an experience with the ghost where you're like, oh, this is a problem and

it needs to be taken care of. I've had. I've never seen one I've had like I get spooked and I had know you just you get a shutter when I was in the haunted room or the room that was a portal to a darker dimension, gotten like nightmares every night, and I was just like I couldn't It was just like not a not a great sum. I had like a kind of an identity crisis where I like dyed my hair blonde, but in a bad way. Uh, I couldn't get I don't know. It was just like

something was off. But maybe I was just like twenty and like, yeah, well maybe the portal to Hell was inside you. Yeah. All along, I was gonna say, you know who else had a portal to Hell in her house? Apparently? Who? Um? Marjorie Cameron our face by Marjorie Cameron Patron Patron Bay of Night Call. She's but a cool thing about Hell on Earth? Uh huh? Is like all of the stuff that people thought was like the opening to hell like any volcano and then just seeing lava and being like

that is a river of fire. Yeah yeah, I mean like I've never really meditated opening to hell. Sometimes when Los Angeles catch us all on fire, like it does and you can just like it looks like hell. Its like when I, yeah, there was a fire that I feel like everybody remembers where it was just like nine, Yeah, the hills were on fire. I was working all day and people were like coming into the grocery store and asking, like telling us about how the hills are on fire.

And then when I finally was like driving home, I was like, oh, it looks like that part of Fantasia that takes place in Hell, you know, and crazy, and it just like that like life is continuing while that's happening, is like the craziest. Yeah, you still have to go to work and stuff. I always living downtown and so I could I had a really good view of it from the roof of the building I lived in. People would just like go out every night and like have

drinks on the roof and watch the city burn. Like it was so insane, and like that felt like there was like ash in the air. Kind of was my appearance. Like whenever there's a fire in the valley like that, you know, sometimes it will just be like ash will like snow down and then everything's covered in this like a little layer of ash. Um. Friend, friend of the podcast. Caleb Parton's family has people in reading which is on fire right now. It's something called a fire nato, which

is what it sounds like. Yeah, it looks like Hell, and people are like, Okay, I gotta go to my job until we get evacuated or whatever. You know, wait until somebody said, actually panic or evacuate. Yeah, I personal responsible for putting out the fire, like yeah, just like take all of your like Fiji water bottles. So what we're saying is maybe Hell, maybe maybe this is how

Dante is in. It's also it's also like astounding to me that Hell is uncomfortable where it's always like, oh you always hear like you go to Heaven, you go to Hell, and Hell it's like hot and whatever. Then I read a passage of what it's like and I was like, I don't want someone like breathing on me. Yeah. Wait, So you go over with some of the different descriptions of that you've read so far of these different circles are like, what are the unique tortures of each one?

Because I don't know. So Purgatory is like the chill thing where it's like they just didn't hear about Jesus and it seems just kind of like boring, like all the Greeks are there and babies, right yeah, babies, yeah, which is pretty fucked up. Yeah oh yeah, so um, but they changed that. They changed with the cool pope, one of the popes, one of the one of the chiller popes, and the twentieth century changed. It's like, yeah,

I guess, I guess they have a pass. I know that the lustful, like the like the cheaters and whatever, they get flown around in the skies, you know, like that would be uncomfortable because they can't they can't stick to one then literally it's like a it's like a it's like a pun or something. Yeah, it's all like every everything is like ironic and ironic and how so I like like Dante just meditated for like a long

time on like the fitting punishment for them. Hoarders are forced to push boulders facing each other and enter into a fierce battle because they're not allowed to keep any of the boulders. Is the boulder that is supposed to symbolize your worldly possessions, like the weight of them, oh yeah, I know, or like working for something that is nothing right. The Scifian aspect of it. Um. You know what I

like is the pre Christian underworld. Yeah, you like the pagan stuff, but you like all the Pagans well, I mean it's half of the Christian traditions anyway, or just paid right, Yeah, it's all the same stuff. But I always like the the Greek underworld, the Egyptian underworld. Okay, we're gonna take another night call. This is a night text as always. You can text us too at one two four oh four six night if you prefer to talk with your fingers that, yes, talk with your fingers,

the normal thing. Everyone says, yes, definitely, we do it every day. So let's just roll with this one. I'm just gonna read it all the way through. This is a nightcall about bugs. A night call back about bugs. I suppose I almost ate a caterpillar that I steamed with my broccoli last night. It was the very last bite of my meal. I survived. The bug did not. Later, my girlfriend and I got into a fight. It was pretty sad. The fight was not about bugs. I'm reading

Rachel Kushner The Flamethrowers. I'm very into it. What are some of your favorite novels written also The flamethrow Is is great. It's one of the best. But yeah, it's well. It came out a few years ago. She's got a new book. I can't remember if it's out right now or not, but um, she out, yeah, everyone's reading her. And I was like, oh, yeah, have you guys ever almost eaten a caterpillar in the salad? I've almost eaten other bugs. I my my dad made me mapo when

I was twelve and there was an unfortunate incident with weevils. Wait, wevils are the grain bugs? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had an experience like that once with a granola bar. And ah yeah, real, real gross. Yeah, I see. This is the thing. When you guys were talking about bugs and bees and stuff when I was away, you in tests real, real buggy. I mean, you guys love bugs, and I have to say I would love to be so chill about bugs, but I am not. I'm not chill about them.

I just respect the right. I guess I respect them. But like I, I have had an insect thing. Uh my mom, who I know is listening to this can a test. I hated bugs with a passion. I still I can deal with them a little bit. Better now. But there was a moment when I was maybe three or four that I kind of remember, but there was a fly that had gotten into our car and we were on the freeway, and I took out my seatbelt and tried to jump out of the car. As a three year old because of a fly in the car. Uh,

I could not deal with it. But I think that and I've always tried to get to the bottom of what I'm actually upset about. Are afraid of with bugs, And it is always the thought or the fear that the bug is going to crawl into my mouth or into my nose, like when I'm camping and I'm like freaked out about bugs that could be around or in

the general vicinity. It's not like that they'll get on me necessarily, unless they're stingy or bitey type bugs, but that they will crawl up my nose or in my ear, like with earwigs or something like that kind of thing is what really for some reason, I'm preoccupied with that at all times. So this is my nightmare. This this our night color has described my nightmare. So it's fear in respect, but there's fear there. I just don't want

them inside me. You know that thing at the Natural History Museum where it's like what the grass looks like really gigantic? Yeah, like a mill of peede. That to me, I just I'm like, what if they were big? At least they're small, what if they were big like roaches? I'm so terrified of them. And then there's the big ones that the water bugs. Right again, I'm like, I'm grossed out by it, but I'm also like, hey, like they deserved to be here, they exist, and so do I.

I don't. I don't want to kill them unless I like have to, unless it's them or me, which sometimes

is you know. But one of the other night calls we got, which I thought this one was going to be, was about millipedes, and it was about how somebody had killed a millipede and felt really bad about it and then learned about millipedes and that they like eat all these other bugs that you don't want, and so they were like, actually like house millipedes, like they can't do anything to you, and they like eat all the other bugs that you actually don't want more um, But I

also had just killed a millipedes, so I was like, man, and then I don't know. I'm just like, it's it's not their fault. They have many legs and we only have two, and so we think it's weird that they have a lot of legs, you know, Like that's most of what I think creeps us out about it, Right? Are they using all of them? Yes, they totally are. That's what's so crazy crazy. Also, didn't you say that there was some sort of interspecies connection with like ants

protecting something else. Oh, I watched this, this show. Everybody should watch it, David Attenborough's Natural Curiosities. It's all about like biological adaptations. So that was one of the things was bugs that hide out in other bugs hives and like trick them into feating them. Basically it was ter

crifter bugs. And one of them was like a caterpillar something that hides out in like a bee hive, and the bee and like does this little wiggle and it's like the same thing a bee queen does, and so they're all like, oh, we must feed the bee queen and they feed it and them through dance. It's incredible.

It's that's what I'm saying. Just like I gotta in an argument at a party, this sego with somebody who was saying they were like a humanist, like a species ist, you know, like that they think humans are the best species. And I was like, that is insane to me. Humans are the worst species. And like there's so many other cool things happening, like caterpillars tricking bees and defeeding them.

And the other thing was about the Death's Head moth, which is that moth that's in the Silence of the Lambs poster that looks like it has a skull on it, and it was about how like everybody in in medieval England thought it was like a bad omen because it

only migrated during certain times. And then all these like you know, skull bugs flew in, uh, and they were like they know, but apparently they were like, we don't know for sure what the marking is, but what we think it might be is that it like mimics a bee face and so it like tricks the bees into thinking it's a bee. I thought I was gonna be

be the mark of the beast. The moths have six six wells that they were like, it's not like it's just a bug, Like we see it as a skull because that's how our eyes are trying to see things like that. But the pattern is maybe really meant to like liquor. It is not for us. It's meant to look like the face of a bee head on. I mean when I got my dog, I wondered for so long. I was like, why have I trapped this small animal?

Like I had those thoughts when you get stoned and stare at your hands and I'm like, wait, what is this? And I guess it's just like inner specie like we've were just we just vibe. Yeah, but it seems with death's head. Um, well that does it for this week's night call. We're out of time this week unfortunately. Yeah, thank you so much, Darcy, thank you for joining us. Yeah, um, give us a nightcall as always one to one to

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