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too good for just one episode. So, Molly, you finished the doc when I finished it? She finished it, she wins. There's like five more twists at the end that yeah, I was saying, as the doc is kind of slow paced, and then at the end there's like a bunch of stuff where I'm like, hey, wait, I would like to know more about that. Part really breezed past that. There's so much um Wild Wild Country content out there right now, and it's totally killing me because I don't want to

read any of it until I'm finished. Like, but I mean, I've seen these headlines on Vulture, the site that I work at, just like, uh, you know the directors of Wild Wild Country still aren't sure who's right, and so at least I know that that's like still going to remain the same where I'm just I have no idea how to even begin to think about who I agree with you. We were talking about that because I was thinking it was really funny in the first episode we

did about this. We were all like, seems great, guys, I don't know what we'll absily go wrong with this. Yeah, we knew there was like a twist. Well I had seen I had seen where they start poisoning people and drugging the homeless people, which is just you know, a plus, you know you're on a great path when you're tranquilizing homeless people. That that's was just saying, that's when that's

when you turn. I was also saying that initially we had kind of we we were like, Okay, these people in Oregon are being pretty racist and pinning a lot of you know, their reception to these people as being from racism. I mean, I think I assumed that the fact that they saw a lot of white hipsters following an Indian guru, and they were kind of like, Okay, this seems threatening. This seems strange, so I automatically was not on their side. Yeah, I mean I think both

things are true. I think the white people in Oregon are racist. And also the cult is evil. I mean, the cult is so evil. Well what you realize is like it's maybe it's maybe just Sheila that's evil. Well, and I think that there is sort of kind of the argument of what any of this happened if the community had been more welcomed, more welcoming to them when they showed up. But also, and one thing that I think that the doc, as far as I've gotten through

it has alighted. And this goes to my my second secondhand encounter with oshow this past weekend, um is I think that the doc is really kind of glossed over how prominent the sex aspect of the bag one following whatever Ragnisism which dies in a certain episode, the one I just watched they kill ra Genisism. But but still it was like a really big part of it, um that they kind of mentioned at the beginning, like, oh, it was the sex guru, but that was a really

big part of it. And the woman go ahead, I because I was already reading about cults a lot before this came out, Um, just because we all are interested in cults and talk about them a lot. Um. There's like a history of cults in America that are like

Eastern religion themed but then are like about sex. So I was reading about there was like a cult in Upstate New York and maybe like turn of the century, I want to say that was the first cult that like brought the idea of NTRA over to America and associated it with sex, which it was not in India. It was like its own thing, but they like kind of rebranded it as like sex crest Western like must

go after all things horny. Yeah, and the sort of orientalism of like the mystical East or everybody knows how to bone different way. Um, but it was it sort of began this tradition of people having these sort of free love cults that are sort of Eastern religion themed but really have nothing to do with Eastern religion. They

just starre those are the trappings style. Yeah, It's like it's just the same way that I think the townspeople on Antelope saw this non traditional community where you know, marriage wasn't necessarily a part of how communities were built. And it was more communal being very repetitive here, but that you know, that threat to the nuclear family always

then become anxiety about sex. But like the inverse is true too, where you you can, you know, wanna I want to have something that doesn't necessarily resemble a nuclear families, some sort of like utopian post patriarchal um situation. But then it always comes back to sex. Also, I don't know. I mean, the documentary did have some some pretty great

sex footage. Um. I also thought it was super interesting like that even that spread out with that much land, that people are very nimbyish about the sounds of the great sex. I mean, really it must make And it was kind of blamed on the lack of trees. It was like it's just echoing over the planes. I was like, okay, well this calm fine, um. But yeah, I also was reading on Wikipedia. I mean, some of the the bog Ones beliefs were a little more troubling than I at

least heard in the documentary. As far as I got, I just finished the fourth episode. But he first he had kind of like an end of Days thing going where he he thought that everything was going to end

in the nineties. Um, and then he also he kind of espoused like a form Molly was saying, like, it's kind of eugenic, see where um, it's built off of what I agree with of like if you're you know, terminally ill and you want to end your life, fine, But then he kind of extended that to the idea that if you're unhappy with your body or someone else's, if you're not beautiful, like maybe get rid of you. And I was like, oh, I it's it's it's eugenics.

It's eugenics. And he's like his explanation is like, well, like if we don't take control of eugenics, like the Nazis are going to anyway, so like we better do like it, which is not a thing. But I do feel like that's how a lot of like tech people probably think, oh totally yeah, yeah, eugenics has me to come back. I was just thinking about it. I was like, the main difference between like girls and hoodies and like call is that we talk about like Nazis a lot more.

You're finding you know, it's all connected. Uh. I was reading about the Nike guy some more to try and find out more about that swosh, which I did. It is a a alternate swosh that's not used as much, called a pinwheel swish. And what you can't really see in that photo is that they're like lighter. It's like two swooshes to swishtika is like over each other. So that's actually like an eight pointed thing. Then burst with

the sunbursts with swooshes. But the way that it looks when it's printed, it's like someone it looks like a swastica um. But I couldn't find anything damning about Bill Bowerman, the Nike guy. He seems like maybe he was fine, maybe he was like a xenophobic guy, but sneakers, yeah. But the Adidas and Puma guys were for sure in the s s UM and I learned a lot about them. Their name the Dossler brothers Audi and something. Dossler. Audi is short for Adolf and his name is Adolf Dussler,

and Adidas is his nickname Addi Audi das Um. But they were Nazis, but they also uh decided that they would get Jesse Owens to wear their shoes in the Olympics. So they were Nazis but also capitalists who were like, we're going to get an endorsement from this guy. Whatever works that is gonna win. Um and he did. Obviously, he won four gold medals in their shoes. So then after World War Two and all the other Germans were broke, they made a lot of money by marketing the shoes

that Jesse Owens won four gold medals in. Uh so they were like sell out Nazis. Um anyway, streetwear, I heard a lot about the origins of many streetwear brands. Um well, I I I alluded to this earlier, but I did meet somebody who had um met the bog one and I haven't heard this story. I'm so excited Molly mentioned it. Yeah, I mean it was. It was maddening because I spent the weekend in the Hampton's which

sounds fancier than it was. I just like stayed in a room in a lady's house in the Hamptons, which was actually quite nice. But um, you know, she was like obviously kind of like an age hippie. She had like some Buddhas in the room and some crystals and stuff. It was very chill um and like totally in the previous generation way of having Buddhas and crystals in your room. Not the millennial way, like I was actually quite the last stark minimalism. No, no, it was definitely not a minimalist.

There was a lot of stuff, so we I mean, she was very sweet, but then she gave me a ride back to the train and we were just talking to she. She knew that I was that I wrote about movies, and then we were talking about TV and how she had been ending a show on Netflix and I was like, oh, the one I'm working on is a wildlick country and she didn't know about it, and I started to describe it for her. She's like, before I could even finish, she was like, I met him.

I met him in the seventies in India. Um. And she said she said that, And this was like thirty seconds before she dropped me off. Otherwise I would have just like hampered her with questions um. But she said that she would have been immediately put off by the sex cult stuff. Um. Which is interesting because you don't meet those people in the dock. You don't. You don't meet the people who met him, and we're like, not

for me. You meet the people who immediately were enchanted by his eyes and felt like they had to start crying and kissing his feet and whatever. So you know, there's probably plenty of people who were like, yeah, this

doesn't feel like my guru. Not my guru, Like the idea of somebody who's like down enough to be like, well, I'm looking for someone and then be like no, this person, yeah, yeah, I mean the fact that she was in I think she was in Bombay, yeah, in the seventies, and you know, likely with a group of people who are like, hey, we're gonna go see this guy. We we've been hearing about well without spoiling anything, uh taus. And I was saying,

there's one Oregonian guy that is really likable. Yeah, I know you're talking about the Yeah, yeah, Overall's guy is really cool and smart and at the end he kind of like sums everything up and he's like, you know, like, do I think he's a con man? Like, yeah, I think it was a con the whole time. And he's like, but I think, like it was the seventies, there were all these Europeans like flocking to India looking for like answers and guidance and like wanting to believe in something,

and this guy took advantage of that. But like these people wanted to be taken advantage of, you know, and he also provided I mean, if you're Westerner who's looking for enlightenment in some kind of figure like him, the guy who's like, hey, you can totally drink champagne and be a capitalist and everything, and also being with none of the like asceticism, which is like, you know, none none of the like you don't have to give up anything. You just get to like indulge in everything even more so,

and everything good will happen to you. I would have fallen for it so many steps along the way. I think that the first thing that really impressed me was the fact that this cult was able to build such a nice house for Sheila and what seemed like no time that they were were texting and was like, how did they build an airport? Yes, I mean it's impressive.

And when you start to think that there I mean according to Sheila, which obviously this has kind of proven wrong because Bogwan was taking valium and nitrous oxide later on. But if it was a cult where you know, drinking and drugs had been kind of replaced by sex and and spirituality, I was kind of like, wow, it made them so industrious. I mean, they just made this really

all these mid century great and the farming aspect was great. Um, but yeah, I think you know, it's really for me, it was really astounding when they when they bust in a bunch of homeless people to sweep. That's when Also, that's the thing. It's like, you don't feel bad for the people in the cult necessarily because they are willingly buying into being exploited. It's like the people who go

to the Haunted House. Really, I think many I want willingly bought into the lie they were being sold that this religion was open to everyone, that America had turned its back on the homeless people who were veterans. I mean, I was kind of like, I wonder if I would have smelled a rat at that well, because you're like, you just want to take care of people who really need it. Yeah, that would have felt like putting your

money where your mouth is. Really like, Okay, if we really believe like this is a philosophy for everybody, then we should be opening our doors to everybody. But yeah, obvious way it was. It was much more disturbing to me than the bio terrorism. But that's probably because the results of the bioterrorism was not as intended. They were also doing bioterrorism on the homeless people. That what that? What that the of the variety of bioterrorism I thought

was I was as sounded. I mean, I find this a very difficult thing to binge because it's well, not only because it's slow, but because it does kind of load it emotionally and it's very even handed. I think that that's the most frequent you know, praise and criticism

is that it's so even handed. The first episode, he's really just devoted to winning you over to the cult a bit before, kind of like a very charming sociopath that we were talking about a little bit um the lawyer guy I'm like not a fan of, but he's also like such a type. I realized halfway through that he looks like Bob we're from. Yeah, he feels like

somebody that you now. He feels like a friend of your parents or something such like as like friends and friends of my my mom, Like that's also my parents. I was like, did you know anyone who joined? And they were like, well, not that one. Yeah. It also just seemed like people in the eighties really like longing for the seventies. You know, a lot of it seemed to be a response change like in the bubble who yeah, like you know what, I don't. But at the same time,

it's so eighties because it's so capitalist. But couldn't you see I mean in terms of these people reminding you of parents friends, couldn't you see them at the dinner table kind of talking about like the things they miss,

like even just the flowy robes. It's also it's like the change you can see between like the oh's of maybe our generation being you know, into I don't know, you can you can fill in your own blanks here, but like for example, like scummy rooftop parties and like people doing circuit bending on the roof or whatever, circuit bending filling your join the circuit bending called you know what, I think you have an idea but then like but then but then it getting as you get older, is

as you move on to your thirties and forties or whatever, then you find the more comforting like don't need to challenge capitalism and uh and the social structure that much version of that, like you find the kind of comfort version.

I think that split is super interesting obviously that thing of like the people who at the end of the seventies were like, okay, back to capitalism, like back to like regular stuff, because like that didn't work, so like reboot and you know, a lot of hippies did become like yuppie sellouts. A lot of them made money in tech especially, and then there's that sort of that technocratic capitalism. It's like there's a lot of like Steve jobsiness to the Rashny sheets to like, you know, do what you

feel and also buy a lot of diamonds. Oh man, when they get when the Hollywood crowd gives him the role. I was just talking about that because the Hollywood crowd. So Tazia is that her name has? I think she um because I looked her up there At one point they were like she produced the other Yeah. I was like, look into that. Yeah, and it was because she was married to Albert Ready, who produced The Godfather. Yeah. They show them at like the oscars and stuff. Yeah, I

was yeah, And that is obviously. That's the thing is You're like, I would love to see a map of like all the other cults that were going on at the same time, because like when did the source family end, right. You know a lot of these things like petered out over a long period of time. Uh, some of them more quickly than others. There's like the Timothy Leary cult that he started that you know a lot of people like bought farm land and we're like, let's try some stuff.

And then in that one, I think somebody took too much acid and died in a lake and then everybody left. Because that's the thing is, you're like, there is a little bit of like when where did the limitations and boundaries come in? You know, who has to be the grown up in these situations. It's like making sure people don't drown with The fascinating part of of of this cult in particular is just like, uh, that is not like negligence or everybody just being so loosey goosey that

somebody just falls in a lake and downed. It's like, oh no, they were actually like they had a deep state. It was a tight ship. I mean, that's you have to hand it to them. But that's of course, as soon as they start really as soon as they started accumulating the guns, well that's what I was gonna say. It's like, how do you stop the cult from turning into a militia. Can you even ever stop that or does it always just turn into a militia? Well, hey,

let's take a night call. Goodest time is any Hey there, um, this is Max calling in. First of all, I just want to say thank you for the podcast. I am an insomniac, so appropriately enough, um. And it's often one or two in the morning when I'm listening, and I do deal with loneliness and depression, so it's nice during those long, lonely nights to have a sympathetic voice to

listen to. Um. But anyway, actually kind of on that subject, because of all the negativity going on in the world these days, I start of asking you all to say what you like about each other the most. So Molly talked to tell Tess and Emily what you like about them, and Emily and Tests you are the same thing, and you know, be real here be be I mean, I know you guys are real, but like this this might get intense, like make each other blush. And also which one of you is the ID, which one is the

ego and which is the super ego. You guys are great. Thank you very much for contributing to my insomnia, but also to my happiness and peace and love, peace and love. Um, I feel like Max wants us to just have a like group therapy session as a podcast. UM. I mean we're like eleven episodes in. Now it's time, it is time we got to do a check in, got to

do an emotional check in. Um. Also, it makes me happy that that people are actually listening to any time anybody calls in and As says that they actually listened to it at night. It's it's very heartwarming to me for some reason. Thank you using as intended. UM. So, who's the ID? You guys do we go around? I feel like I have mine pretty clearly, but I'm wondering if everybody is going to be different just because Okay, you do yours because you have it. I know I

want to know. Okay, Um, Molly is the ID, I'm the ego and Test is a super ego. Wow, that's what I thought. Yeah, You're that's the only one I feel really strongly about. But I thought, Emily, I think maybe you're the ID. WHOA I thought maybe I thought you were the I can't be the IT. I started like just the nature of this podcast in our in our original life is girls and hoodies. Me being the editor between you two, I can never be the end of this podcast. I'm always going to be either the

ego or super ego. It's just impossible. I was struggling with Emily which of us was the ego and which is the super ego? And I was like, I think it's whoever has more guilt, I think, and so I was like, I think it's me. I wanted to I know this isn't exactly the question, but I really want to force this on you. Um which is cheers strology,

which I know believe is real. Oh tell me. I was like tweeting I like, because I'm watching a lot of Cheers, And I was like, guys like, wait, have you like you've been watching a lot of Cheers Molly, I haven't, hadd you know I have understood. Actually, actually I finished the whole show, watched all eleven seasons. Wow, congratulation, thanks really making good use of my life. Yeah, but I was like, I'm a I'm a Carla with a

Lilith rising, like as a joke. And then somebody like wrote me a message and was like I've been listening to you for like a long time and like you're actually like, here's what I think you are and why and you're rising though. They were like your Rebecca because like your cynical and you have like a deep voice, and you have a Diane Rising because you like use big words a lot, and I can see that. And I was like, oh my god, they like read me to the ground, Like I kind of right, I kind

of feel like you're a Diane Woody Rising. I like that. I like. But then I wanted to see what you guys think you are. Oh man, I have no idea. I feel like i'd have to have just watched eleven seasons to know. I feel I always remember whenever I go back in and do a do a run of it. I've never watched the whole thing all the way through, but I always feel a very strong affinity for Cliff

Cliff clafn But Cliff sucks. I'm sorry. It's the show is like like Cliff is one of those characters who at first I was like he's so uh new and weird, and then by the end they all just a like, funk off, Cliff Amen. I haven't seen the end of I haven't seen the end, so maybe you're a Cliff with a norm rising. That's what you're saying. I was going to diagnose you as the rare double Lilith. Oh my god, I like, yeah, the double Lilith is strong. That's like a double Virgo or something. Test. I think

you might be. I think you're there's a norm in there. I know this. So I think you're a Diane with a sam Malone rising. It's it's really hard to say. I mean, I feel very like emotionally removed from Cheers. It's been a long time since I watched Cheers. I've been living by Carrie's a little Bostonian. I think you're more about either of us. Will say I'm a little Bostonian too, Tests, and I have a real high tolerance

for Boston. You guys just so on the East Coast, which I feel is more formative than me moving here almost in my th So, Molly's mom is From's from Boston. Both of my parents are from Boston. We like love a Massachusetts accent, I know, and we we have a lot of clam cakes between us. Yeah, Hi tolerance, Hi tolerance. I could do a Sopranos astrology. It's probably where I would I think I think about the think about it next week. Okay, I think I think cheer astrology is real.

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As far as seeing nice things about each other, can I just say that one of the nice things that has been really fun to think about recently is that we've been working together for what eight years on what I was thinking about it the other day, I because I wrote my first piece for grant Land. I believe Inn Molly had joined then as well. Emily, I think you cameelve, and so that's when we all started working together.

Sort of has like opened a portal to the last time we all had to show to change, yeah, which was totally I mean, I will say I uh started the podcast because I was like still at that point, and it got better over the course of time that I worked there, But there were about I think three total grant Land female voice um, and so I think I desperately wanted to have a corner. Uh. The first the first name that the podcast was almost when we

were like what shouldn't be called? And they were like, how about Grantland W We're like no. We spent so many months just being like noah W yeah, no double regular. But I mean it's it's kind of cool when you think about how many people do you work with, you know, over that amount of time, and you take breaks and you come back together. Um. Because when we when we

first started working together, it was a different world. I get very email thinking about it because I'm like, wow, those people that are my friends from that time are like, we have known each other for a long time now, but obviously I'm always still like five or six years behind where I actually reality is like that was just yesterday. I'm like, no, it was a long time ago. And

it's also like the industry has changed so much. I mean when we started, when we all started working together, just everything looked completely different and the optimism was completely different. And I think it's kind of amazing for me to see what you guys have done since then and how you've continued to kind of work separately, like we've all been doing our own things, but I pretty regularly have

been checking in about what we're all interested in. And there was never a moment when I didn't like, wish we still had a show, absolutely, And I mean during the last Girls in Hoodies when I called in, I cried. Yeah. So I think it's cool when you admire the people that you work with so much that you kind of seek them out across different places, you know. Yeah. He So Emily scrubbed her Facebook and she sent this message

that she had said to me on Facebook. That was like a fan email before we were friends that I totally never got or I would have responded to. I didn't like read it and be like because suddenly it was like you probably read this, and we're like, you're a starker. Well, it was because we had a lot of friends in common and I think you would like something of mine on Facebook. And then I was like, hey, I should like strive a copic conversation with Molly because

we have so many friends in comment. And then it didn't happen for like three more years or something. Yeah, but it was like that you know, that optimistic internet time. Also when we were all on Tumblr and we were like making friends through the internet and being like this is cool, Like it's no longer sketchy to make friends

through the internet. It's like you meet people that write things you like online and then you meet them in real life and they're kind of like the person that you met online, although some people are totally different in real life and that's also really weird. Well now, I mean, at this point, we have old friends who are internet friends, whereas it always seems like you're going to be kind of your new friends. Yeah, they're your new friends. They're

not like your close friends. But you know, now I've seen a certain kind of there are people that you're like intimate with on the internet at like a certain level of like maybe you've never met them, but you like quote unquote know them for like a decade. Now it's been Now you have old friends who are your internet friends, and some of them end up getting mere

I've seen two couples from Tumbler get married kids. Yeah, it's it's fun, but anyway, one of you're the first person ever witness get married test Oh really, Hey, but I didn't marry a Tumbler person, so it's not as special as spice actively but it's not as spice. Probably

both better for the pre wedding hashtag time. And I'm actually I feel like I'm closest with the female friends that I've made from the internet, and I don't really I mean, I guess it's because if you're straight and you're making opposite gender friends on the internet, you have a high probability of like one of you creeping the

other out at some point. But it's nice because you know, we're old internet friends and real friends, and it's been we've been potting in one form or another for a while, so I appreciate that Internet. Internet friends, I'm gonna say what I'm going to say really quickly, two nice things about or one nice thing about each of you, rather tests. I think you have very good intuition about everything that you like, don't like, and believe in. And I think

that I'm more wishy washy, so I admire that. And Molly, I think you are probably the most curious person I know, which is a great quality. That's all. That's nice. Wait, did I say nice things about you? I'm gonna you don't have to. I was just thinking, no, I want to. I like this question. Um yeah, Emily, I think you're a brilliant genius. Um as, I also think you're a brilliant genius. I love you, guys, and it's cool to be on the Internet radio again together. Okay, okay, let's

take a different night call, guys. I got allergies. I gotta go back. Hey, friends, it's one fifteen in the morning on a Tuesday, which in my life means I'm just finished up with tabletop RPG night during the week and return home, occasionally scouring the internet for new ideas or games we might play in the future. Uh, and stumbled upon a post from a ready user of Funnel that is a Frazier RPG tabletop RPG entitled Boss, Dragons

and Scrambled Eggs. Obviously, I thought it the three of you and whether or not you've had any experience with tabletop arpugs, and if so, if you'd be interested in playing an RPG with Niles Frazier, Lilith and Daphne have a have a good thing. Well, yes, I have played tabletop rpugs. You guys have, haven't I don't. I don't remember. No, we're not nerves Dungeons and Dragons. Oh oh okay, yeah yeah, it's like it's it's like the one you play with pen and paper and dice, Like, yeah, then I have

you have? Well? I played Dungeons and Dragons in junior high. You did, I know? I didn't. I didn't do it, I think because I was like test would think it was uncool. Only once or twice, okay, only once or twice. They were like some kids who played magic in the break room. I remember I played a little magic in the bridge only like once or twice. Oh my god, Dolay it. Be proud, be proud. But the problem was

that I had trouble understanding the rule. Yeah, I don't like I don't like those kinds of games because there are too many rules. It was awful because I was ashamed, and then I was like, Okay, I'm gonna do it, and I started doing it, and then it made me feel dumb and bad at being a nerd. And so it wasn't even the uncoolness. It was my ineptitude that made me not want to do it. And I can't.

I can't deal with structured gameplay. Well. Molly will will be like, let's play scrabble, and then it'll get to jump to the point where you're winning, and she'll be like, I gotta get at that's just one time I have a place to be and you're like, you know, you have to play, and you know it's not like Molly been going really fast and everyone else is taking a long time. Everybody's doing our best. I get too anty, Molly's gotta go. Games take too long. The only game

that doesn't take too long is boggle. I know I

boggles the best. That's funny because I'm my experience and I don't think this is a bad thing at all, because I also like, I like, I like board games a lot, and I think people who like I think that it is I tend to think of it with anxiety in my mind, like if you have if you tend to be antsy or have social anxiety or like maybe like I don't know, like it's tough, then a board game is always reliable because you're like a an interaction I can do, like, I think that a lot

like that. I'm always like, you know, what's a great interaction is just talking talking. And we played Uno at a bar for a while. Yeah, we dilute and that was really fun. It was fun. I do like, you know, I like you know. I also like like video game ARPGs a lot. Those are my favorite video games because in the nineties Mystical Ninja greatest game of all time.

I mean, I like, I like tabletop RPGs. I like um I think I got really obsessed with the idea of running one like doing like creating a campaign, being a dungeon, being a dungeon master. And I think you're a dungeon master of this podcastle Well, I spend a lot of time trying to figure out and that ship is hard because I like playing tabletop rbuts, but I have to be told what to do all the time because I'm never quite like you know, I never really known to do a saving throw or something like that.

Usually hard, Yeah, but it's hard. It shouldn't be hard. I love just I love creating a character. Like when I was in high school, I played a fair amount of games. I played, like probably mostly the World of Darkness games like Vampire. It's like Vampire, the Masquerade and Ship. It's like the stuff of how like I'm like making fun of you guys for being nerds, and like I like all kinds of other things that are justice nerding,

just not this specific one. Yeah, but I mean, honestly, I would spend most of my I probably played it, you know, less than is like a like a interview with the Vampire. It's a modern it's modern Gothic hor um. It's like so there. So it's a bunch. It's a collection of games and they can kind of be used together if you want. But then there are ones that are just for um, just for magicians, called Major the Ascension, and there's long calls uh and the Vampire one is

the most famous one. That's that's vampire the Masquerade. There's a werewolf one, there's a but you just really breeze past vampire the Masquerade. Where's the Masquerade come in? Um on the Masquerade is the is the collective act of vampires to live among humans undetected. Just the Masquerade, the

Earth Masquerade. Okay, yeah yeah yeah. So but so there's all these different classes of vampires that you can be on the all different So there's like the arts romantic ones, and there's like the like um like blue blood ones, and they're um, there's like an academic class that I'm saying, no, no, no no, no no, that's in maje. I at a character that was one of those, Yeah, I don't really your ma. That was like a professor. It was like a yeah, it was like a professor, professor of vampires.

Maybe I don't yeah, I think it's me, professor blood thirsts. You don't look look at me in a mirror to my doctor of phlebotomy basement apartment. Don't don't look too close. But that one is like like, well, there is a there is a species of the vampire. Ones that are called like the no s Ferrato vampires where you look like No s Ferratto and you're so ugly and scary

that like immediately people run away from you. Like that's just built if you're going to be that kind of character, It's just like part of it is you're never going to be able to like, you know, con your way. Yeah, no, you won't. You have to hide out. But that's such an allegory for being a teen. Totally, No wonder they loved it. Nose Frasier. I mean I'm trying to say,

wut you guys to be down for a Frasier Totally? Yeah, I feel like it would be the Frasier RPG would not be It wouldn't be like I mean, you could do one where you're just playing as the central cast. But I feel like a more interesting open version of the game would be. Um like a Seattle nineties UM role playing game, so you could you know what this should be? It should be a CD ROM yeah, um yeah. It kind of reminds me, um you remember Jesse uh

and then next of Mine. But he wanted to He always wanted to do a show that took place in a um took place in a cafe and the nineties in Seattle, like just as like a world um that it is, like the people that live next to Frasier. Yeah, yeah, like the people like the staff of cafe or Rosa. I've been getting really in decide stories just as like a thing that I know. It's like a big thing in anime. It's like, oh, another story that takes place during the main story that everyone knows. There's like a

Battle Royal one. It's like, hey, here's some other kids who were trapped during Battle Royal. Yeah. Yeah, So I do love the idea of just like yeah, like who is like the gunther of Fraser's like like a bulldog? Yeah, you know a bulldog plot line? Yeah, or like secret life. Yeah.

I feel like you could have you know, the different classes would be like I mean, there would be literal classes, there would be like socio economic classes, and there would be things that you wouldn't be able to do if you were pulling minimum wage at Caffeine r Vosa, that you um would be able to do if you were part of the wine club or the opera club or something. Then there should be like like the movie Singles, there

should be like a cast from there, like a grunge cast. Yeah, I mean, I mean, Emily, if you were wanting to do an RPG, this may be the one to do. Now that we're discussing, well, it's hard to. Um, it's sort of hard to I mean, Dungeons and Dragons as the most um familiar rules to most people, so you like theoretically is best to build off of to to

make something. But there are also parts of it that are just like in Unescapable Dungeons and Dragon ze, like just like the way you do combat, like having an ax instead of you know, it's just like kind of some of it is inescapably fantasy oriented. Um because I wanted to do one that was set in a post apocalyptic Portland, UM, and I had kind of mapped it out, like I was using an actual city map and everything. I think the theme of this episode is post apocalyptic

Pacific North Pia. That's the theme of every episode in a way. Well, there's something very uh I think compelling about how everything like instead of things kind of turning to dust or something in the planes or um in the desert, it becomes annihilation, just like Bright Green Emerald Moss all over like eating buildings. I love when stuff goes back to nature. Hey, speaking of going back to nature,

we asked for some ghost stories, and you guys really delivered. Um. If you have a ghost story that you would like to share, you can give us a call at two four oh four six night or email us at night Call podcast at Gmail. Just keep throwing that at you. Um, but I think we should take some ghost story night calls. You guys, Yeah, let's take some night stories. Hey, night call, This is Kate. I'm calling with a spooky story for you. That's something that has happened to me recently. In the

past couple of weeks, probably two weeks. Uh, I've been getting calls from a private number, so I assume someone who has I think Stars sixty seven the number, so I can't see the numbers. It's private blocked. And the first couple of times I missed it or ignored it because who answers private numbers? Um, And it never lets

a message. Uh. Then finally I picked it up. I was in a car with some friends and I put on speaker just to be like, what's going on, And the first thing I hear is Hello, like the ice cream truck saying that voice that like hello, And then it starts with an ice cream truck song. I can't remember if it's the Scott Joplin song or um do your Ears sang Low? Or whatever, but anyway, it's the recording of ice cream truck and it just loops. Um.

So obviously I was pretty freaked out. UM. And I kept getting the calls for the next couple of days and I only answered it like one or two more a few more times um, but each time it was the exact same thing, and luckily it just um. So then I just started ignoring them obviously. UM. And it never left a message. Uh. So that was the biggest

blessing because I hate voicemails, especially creepy ice cream truck loops. Um. But so this got me thinking, Uh, if you all have ever had an experience that made you feel like you are actually trapped in a horror film. Um. But luckily the calls have actually stopped. UM. I almost hesitated to make this call because I didn't want to drink for anything. So anyway, that's my spooky story. UM, and let me know what you think. Okay, that is very disconcerting. Uh that did not go or I thought it was

going to go. Yeah, that's so scary. It's terrifying, and it's so funny because we read we got a bunch of ghost stories, and some of them I feel like had more kind of like scary things, but this one was I'd stuck with so unsettling. Ice cream truck music is already a little scary, especially Hello, I mean that's how I answered the phone when I pick it up, but not yeah, not vice versa wow with me. Um, that is really scary, you know that that goes back

to something that I was always really afraid of. I don't know where I would have gotten this idea from. I think it was maybe a baby a Babysitters Club book, like the second Babysitters Club book. I want to say is where there's like a phantom phone caller that's terrifying the babysitters. But the just the thing of of somebody calling and not saying anything but you can hear breathing on the line and then hanging up. That was always like a big anxiety of mine growing up. Uh did

it ever happen? Yes, it did happen to me once and I was home alone and I uh I remember I remember, Oh yeah, no, that was okay, Yeah, this is the one, like most the most insane thing I ever did as a freaked out kid was that I was home alone. This happened to me, and I was

so scared. I ran barefoot to our neighbor's house down the street, and uh, like I don't know, I think I left a note for my mom and then just like left as soon as I could, because I immediately started thinking about like, how am I going to get out of the house. We'll have to jump out of the window like all this stuff. And um, I remember my neighbor was watching Julie's Gold. Uh, and that is now my principal association with that movie, that Peter f

Peter Fono movie about him being a beekeeper. Um, but the opposite of sk so lovely a lovely movie, the Gold is honey guys. Um, Yeah, there's something where Stephen King about that. Obviously, anything that's like a children's thing made spooky, it's like a clown kind of thing to us. It's reminding me also of like now I'm gonna reveal that I also I'm a huge nerd who read the Christopher Pike The Last Vampire. Oh I love Christopher Pie.

Did you read those ones over the last things. They were like a little a little more violent than some of the others. Uh, they're great. And there's one where the girl who's a vampire I think, like chopped someone's head off in or somebody's head gets chopped off in an ice cream truck and the dialogue is like my favorite flavor, like cherry Red. This has stayed with me forever,

so obviously there's very vivid in my mind. I actually got a call last week and it was on my landline and I picked up the phone and it was a guy who was like, you're going to go to hell when you die, and then hung up the phone and I googled the number that it had come in on and it wasn't a recording. It was a real person and it's a known thing. Um, it's a really I mean, it's a it's a very half asked attempt at like an extortion via like kind of casually thrown

together religious group. I guess it's a known scam and a note terrifying. But it was a person on It wasn't it was a person. That's so freaky because I had a happened to me over the weekend. But it was a robot call it. It was like a very robot voice, which is sometimes more scary because it sounds like how or something. Um, but telling me that I was getting sued by the I R s for blood the irs assuming it phone calls that tell you. I got some calls for a while that we're coming from

like a Texas prison. That scared the hell out of me, and I found out it was a scamp. But also I was like, who do I know that would be imprisoned in Texas like calling me? And I thought about it a lot, and then I found out it was a scam. But I got some heavy breathing calls, like a couple of years ago on my cell phone, and it was like a private number, couldn't call back. They would just call and like breathe and be creepy. I

would hang up, totally creep me out. And then I called the cops to be like what can I do? And they were like nothing, there's nothing we can do. They were like they just didn't care. Um, so yeah, I don't know, uh, who's calling with the ice cream? But the ice cream truck is such a specific like what are you trying to do? That's so scary too, because anything like that, I would be like, what are you trying to tell me exactly? What does it mean?

It's meant to drive you? Because if it's random, then it's still really weird. She should record it if she can, or like, yeah, I get a recording of it and like like zoom and enhance on it only with the audio version of that and find out I come up with a yeah, here's the wholesome answer is maybe it's like a child calling you from a playground. O. They're just accidentally just right there, always at the same point

in the song no Way, I'll loop no Way. Well maybe maybe by us getting the word out, maybe somebody else will have gotten this too, and we can triangulate and figure out what's if you've gotten a prank call from an let us know, let us know. We're here in service of the people. Maybe it's like a spirit trying to escape from like a power Puff Girls like Popsicle or something. Set me free. If you say the

right thing, don't say the right thing. Thank you so much Kate for your for your call and for giving us nightmares for the next few weeks. Um, and thank you everybody for listening to Nightcall. Be sure to subscribe to us on iTunes if you aren't already, and leave us a review. We love reviews. The more the merrier.

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