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poetry out now. And it's Valentine's Day today, and it's Spooky Love February on Nightcall. So it's the most erotic day of the year. It's the most thrilling, the erotic day. I did actually walk down Hollywood Boulevard and note that people were going into all the sex shops today. Um. The Hustler Store was bustling with activity as always. Um. We were going to take a night call just off the bat Ay Nightcalls. Kate, longtime listener, first time night callers.

Since you guys doing are doing a romance theme month for February, I thought it might be cool to call in about one of my favorites, not Teddlers of all times, Salomon king Uh. He made things like Nine and a Half Week, The Red Shoe Diaries, and Wildforkids, most of the time in collaboration with his wife Patricia. Leaves me in an app uh moman kingdom like the idea of softcore, and I recently read an interview where she described their

films together as emotional thrillers. So I was wondering if you guys could talk about some of your favorite emotional thrillers. I know none in a half week came up in your erotic Oddity, but I also want to half where you guys think all the great movie sex scenes have gone. I've been thinking a lot about this. I wrote about it, h but I think it's be an interesting thing to think about, and it lives dedicated to love in romance, and we haven't had a great movie sex scene in years.

Thanks for being you, and I call uh excited to hear you guys talk about some Red Shoe Diaries. Wow, what a great nightcall. Excellent night call. Thank you so much. I'm thinking about it now too. What is the last great movie sex scene? Magic? N did that even have? A memorable sex scene that was just hot. It was

just a sexy movie. I guess it's very rare. We get to thrusts, and when there are thrusts usually there's a really bad trend of this that I really associate with Girls the TV show that it would just smash cut to like fucking, like really aggressive like jackhammer fucking um, which I just that was like it was and it was used as a punchline. Then it was like like really explicit fucking, but like as a as a joke. There's definitely more sex on TV than ever there's and

it's more it's more fun to watch at home. Maybe just just positing. But yeah, movies, movies maybe are losing ground in the sex scenes competition. Do you guys have what is the most recent great sex scene in a movie? I mean, that's what I'm trying to think of that. If it's not because like you seen a portrait of a lady on fire, Yeah, that just is coming out today. I think Properly had a small release heard that's very good.

It's good, but it's actually not as like the sex that it has cool like love scenes, but they're not. But I don't I think if something that's not a sex scene more in that movie more than I think of like um, like an actual like sex act on like thes just like some cool very romantic moments in it, good kissing, like a lot of kissing scenes. Well, the horny ist movie I can think of of the recent past is probably Phantom Thread, which like doesn't have any

sex scenes in it. It's just it's tense. It's just so much. Yeah, it's horny though. I think like when I think of the most explicit sex scenes that I've seen recently, they are m like two ladies usually like handmade in and um oh yeah handmade and had a good sex scene. That's probably the last good sex scene I can think of. And blue is the warmest color too, but both and I love Handmade. It's a great movie.

But I think that the sex scenes do kind of your and like I think, very purposely so are very like frame, very like like made to be like like they do just come off as like objects or like like wood block kind of both of those especially. Yeah, and we'll get to this later when we talk about today's feature The Hunger, which has a sexy lesbian sex scene. But yeah, I feel like Most of the sex scenes are in comedies in movies that I can think of,

and they are generally like jokes, like played for a joke. Yeah, um, it seems like a problem. Look, we're here to remedy it. Nic wants to reboot the erotic thriller. Um, Yeah, what about like in The Boy next Door, a movie I haven't seen, but movie I haven't the most recent attempt to reboot the erotic thriller haven't seen it either. Now that's what we're Jennifer Lopez um has sex with The Boy next Door right where you know. What I just watched,

which I totally enjoyed is What Lies Beneath? Oh, What Lies Beneath is so good. I've never seen it, and I totally enjoyed it. I like, like, a that was like a hot kind of a hot movie. But it was funny too, because there's like a whole part where they're supposed to be like, oh, like they're old funny. He's like trying to have sex in this long marriage,

but it's like Harrison forda Michelle's. The biggest like innovation in the last ten fifteen years of movies has just been like trying to get the most awkward sex scenes possible on screen as some kind of active defiance. Maybe that's awesome, that's French extremism. It's the opposite think of the scene in Greenberg, which is like the worst sex scene of all time. There weren't even any sex scenes in Marriage Story. That was one of the things I was angry at. Not No nobody had sex in that movie.

They just all talked a lot. Eline, did you see a Marriage Story? I would not see anything. You know about my Blue Valentine theory, it's the people who see Blue Valentine usually this again scientifically unproven, but I'm really sure that this is true. That they break up soon after, and then I felt like Marriage Story was definitely of that genre, of the breakout your love of genre, so

I wouldn't see it. I mean, the only thing I really know about Marriage Story is that one clip that was all over the internet, the punching the wall, which had like such a bad representation. I didn't even love the movie. But it's just like that's only works because you've been it for like an hour and a half of though. It's just if it dips straight into it, it's hard. It had like the exact same energy as my last breakup, but me as both characters. I was

just like, I really am never going to see that movie. Absolutely, I respect that very much. We were a mostly anti marriage story podcast. It's our official stance is no. Do you think it's just like American puritanism? Like? Why why is this? It does seem? Or is it just because movies all have to be for babies? Now? Wait, why there's no good sex? Yeah, because you never see like

superheroes sucking. Right, I don't think it's puritanism. I don't either, because there's so fucking it's just not like good sexcar is.

But it is like a kind of um infantilization of most movies I think in reason Like I think that a lot of movies just like don't and I'm talking more about mainstream movies and about indie movies or foreign movies obviously, but I just don't think that like a lot of movies want to deal with that because they're trying to hit some kind of nice mainstream thing, which I think is different than being puritan It's more just like trying to be like, have all the edges standed

off of something? Yeah, but you can still get plenty of that stuff, like you said on TV and in yeah indie foreign stuff. Yeah, but I don't know, I got to be in a dark room with strangers, is there No, Like I haven't seen uncut gems yet. There was no sex. The sex. Yeah, there's a very cute scene in it that is like sexy. Yeah, it's not

a sex scene. No, I mean what happened Like definitely there was a period where you know, suddenly you could show sex in movies at the end of the sixties, and then became more and more until the eighties when it was like every movie had a sex scene, which is why that Wayne's World joke about the the sex scene,

the gratuitous sex scene. Um. And then maybe it reached such a point of saturation that it had to go back down or it's just like maybe you're afraid that it will become kind of I mean, you know what, Okay, this is just a theory. What if it's that nobody really wants to have that kind of like sampled into a jif again, But you know, you know what I mean, there's like this weird way that it could be taken as like a kind of just like the Imagerery lifted,

and it feels that feels wrong somehow. I feel like there's like they show I mean we've all said, like they still show like fucking in movies, there's just no erotics. So I don't think there's Yeah, maybe it's like last gasps of patriarchy, like they just want to like only show like the like they don' want to show any for play or any like tension or any of the things that are like actually erotic. They just want to show like Yeah, I mean you could really think that

like that none that stiff actually gets anyone off. And I think that a lot of people, especially very recently, are worried about having just like not good environments on sets when they shoot sex scenes. So you think it could be like the need to have an intimacy coordinator and everything. It just makes it. It kind of takes

away like spontaneous that it predates that. But I think there's also just a mentality of like, well, I don't want to do anything that ends up being like objectifying somebody or or making anybody like feel uncomfortable or bad when they're making this, But then they don't find a way to do it in a way that makes people feel like, yeah, I think people being like, let's not try, rather than like, why is this hard for us? Is yeah the problem. I also, do you think that we

really lose something if we don't have softcore? Softcore is delightful. I love Sophomore everything shot through that cinemax. Do you think about this all the time as being like one of the core dividers between old millennials and young millennials is that like we had the scrambled porn experience, you know, and like they didn't, And that joke in American Pie like doesn't make any sense anymore, but like that itself

was the erotic experience. It was like trying to get the channel to come in for one second at a time, like furtively. You know, people have so much access to everything now. I wonder if it's like like you really had to search stuff out, you know, as a team that can also fill in, like for instead of the build up and like whatever cinematic thing you could do

to make a sexy feel more romantic. It's like if you, personally, in the act of seeking it out, have to go through all this stuff, if you have to go in that weird room in the video store behind a curtain, like the coolest place in the world, you know, because you because the curtain says like, Oh, you're not supposed to be in here, but you are. I do remember that. Now that was a video stores and I was a little kid, like regular video stores how to curtain thing?

Had the adult section beated curtains. I've forgotten that, And you're like, oh, can I go in there? I'm a fifteen year old girl or whatever, Like will somebody tell on me to put on my dark sunglasses? Yeah? I mean like I feel like some of the streamers too, they took the soft core sections like down off of their offerings, which I was like, that really betrays the ethos of cable to me, which is to like have a soft core section at night. Well, we really appreciate

the call. This is something that's always on our minds. Yeah, at night call, if you have recent movie sex scenes that we're missing because we didn't come up with anything, So tell us your favorite recent sex scenes from movies, or have your theories ready about why the sex scene has disappeared. Yeah, and if you want night Call to reboot Red Shoe Diaries, Yeah, um, with us all wearing like velvet robes by a fire. That Wonderful is the

Best is an anthology series with a narrator. Let us say, yeah, we'll be right back. Welcome back tonightcall. We are joined today by Elaine con Hello. Lane, Hello, you've been joining us so far, you're still joining us and joined. It's Valentine's Day, as we were saying, it won't be when you listen to this, but you'll still be bathing in the warm glow of processing the glow. Yeah. Um, Elaine, you were telling me that you wanted to talk about

a little reality show. Oh yeah, Flirty Flirty Dancing. It's have you guys seen it? No, I don't know Hulu. But the way you said lt dance because I looked into it and I was like this American versions awful. Watched the American version, I think I said that, and then you were like, you don't understand. Okay. So it started out in England on the BBC and it's hosted by this like six foot five man named Ashley Banjo. Okay, and it's just like and first of all, they call

in the UK. I don't know if you guys knows what they call single people Singleton's so like I know from the bridges. Yes, so they which just automatic. It adds this level of like just like cuteness to it and also like hoaking nous. But they just get like these very normal people from like small towns in England and set them up and the whole thing is like,

so they've each learned. For those of you guys who have not seen flor dancing, each singleton learns one half of the dance and then the first time they ever meet they performed this choreographed duet together and in the UK version, it's just like it's like the most pure thing you've ever seen. It's like you're seeing just pure romantic hope, just like vibrating through the bodies of these people, like they always cry and they're like that was the

most amazing thing I've ever done. So it's incredible. I bought a VPN just so I could watched it. Yeah, but and then I found it was coming to America, and I got so excited. But then I found it in America. Of course they had to Now it's a competition. No, it was not a competition, but for it was just like I'm looking for love and like maybe it's with you,

and together, we're going to try this out. And I'll be honest, I've looked into all of the couples and none of them have worked out, of course not but you see, for like, they all leave the dance being like this is true love, Like it's no but for real, like they're just like I've never seen such like pure human emotion captured on television. What are they dancing to? This is a difference, that's all. It runs the gamut.

I used to have watched so you think you can dance in the first few seasons and that was all professional, It wasn't. I mean, I'm very drawn to the question about this. Especially the American version made me wonder if some of these people were pros. I mean, I don't know about the American VISI cause, like I said, I only watched the first one. But in the UK version,

they're definitely not pros. And in fact, it's like, you know, they'll be like, I don't know, like seniors who definitely cannot dance, and just like sort of good natured bros who just kind of like you know, basically have to like you know, hold their hands up while their partner you know, does circles around them, but it's you know, I only saw the one episode, the first episode the

American version. It was just so outraged by I watched one in the middle of the American version and I guess the host is normally Jenna Duan, but it was like a British host. Maybe it was actually Banjos. It was it was it was a competition. It was a guy and it was like, you're going to dance with these two different women and like do the same routine with both of them and you all learn the parts separately and then you but then like when they did the routine, it was in like the terrarium of a

botanical garden. I mean, that's that's true across both Okay, Okay, the one that it was it was really nice. I guess it was like I was like, like at the end of Beauty and the Beast, you're like the Crystal past for some reason. Um, but well, they picked one of the people and I was like, I don't know

that that was the person that they dance. They just picked he's hotter of course, or like who they think whatever, it's not, it just it really the whole point of the British show is that it's like it's like quaint and it's like for people who hope and like the whole idea of like that it's just a competition, Like that's just it's really not in the spirit a flirty dancing flirty. I mean, it's just if you can watch the I mean, it's if you can watch the British version.

Like I cry every time I said it doesn't go anywhere. I feel like, like learning to do a dance, especially if you're not a professional dancer and you don't do that all the time, and like the thrill of the accomplishment of it is like a very very kind of like almost prival you fork. Yeah, And it feels like, I mean like they had like a Bachelor, you know,

they always have people. They just do the fast version of that, which is they just make people to involve clips stick there and then like when they're not dead, then they have this like hyper adrenaline rush of like

I'm not dead. The Bachelor is like Midsummer it is, yeah, basically, like but like the whole thing of like finding a way like that feels like a much more humane way to capture a very very basic human emotion, like where you kind of like have some sort of sense of accomplishment and you go through an unusual circumstance with another person for the first time, and it's like wow, oh my god, it's like the movie Speed and it's not.

It's also like their bodies actually have to move together, like a lot of times there's like lifts and stuff in it. So they really have to they really have to like develop this sense of trust that's not as simple as just like jumping off bridge or whatever. They have to like yeah, and they actually have to come yeah exactly. They have to communicate physically and they're not allowed to talk at all even after the dance is over. Well, they're also another show. I ended up doing a deep

dive on dating reality show to learn everything about it. Um. There's another show called sing Date, which is the same premise of Flority Dancing, but was singing you do a duet together but cannot talk. It is another UK show, so maybe um. And then I learned that one of the most popular shows is a Chinese bachelor style dating show called if You Are the One UM that has been on for ten years. UM and a contestant went

viral for the phrase for saying on a date. Um, I'd rather cry in a BMW than smile on a bicycle. And it became it became a meme. Um, and people, I know, that's the most depressing. Apparently people were like a million think pieces about it about like what does this mean, Like people are abandoning bicycles for cars. Um, I mean, I guess I like to be like protected from the elements. For some siling on a bicycle is like one of the best feelings in the world. Well teeth,

it was a good turn of phrase. Stop being Yeah, I don't like it anymore. Yeah, I mean I don't like it, but I like um that there's like just Parallel Bachelors because it had like the same logic as the Bachelor, but instead of the rose ceremony, there's something that's called like a heartometer, you know. Um. There was a show called Sexy Beasts that was a dating show where they put one person in a prosthetic monster suit and then they had to go on dates with people

where the people had to see through to your real personality. Wow. Um, there's one Anotherlands another Lands show, Dutch show, a Dutch dating show called Dating in the Dark. Dotton and Head, a reality show created in the Netherlands where three single men and three single women move into a tight house getting to know each other. I know, isn't that a nightmare? There's it sounds horrible the form bonds in total darkness.

You know what would be awful about that is your other senses being so heightened that you're so aware of the different smells of people. Is that what you were thinking? That was actually what I was. That's a really sent to austrophobia. Isn't that all like sex appeal is? Yeah, but I don't like being robbed of all other faculties and being like just sniff mean bag and pick pickup bag.

There's all smells good. There's also a couple of shows that are just TOPI in the other direction that are um like where you never meet somebody except virtually, where it's like the circle, but instead of it's it's just like everyone's in a different room and they just like talk in a chat room and decide who they want to be with the most. But they can't see each other. They can't see each other, they can only talk on one They're all ways of not letting people see you

hot they are. That's all of these are about. Well, that's what like Flirty Dancing sounds so nice because it feels like a real anecdote to like like like, why would you go on a show like that where you can't see people, You're only looking at people on an app? Like that's just light. There's one called Dating Alone that's the South Korean dating game show that's more like a dating sim where it's like you you're going on a date with simone. It's like to teach men to be

better at dating theoretically. Um, this is a great wi Yeah. Um. Doce Corazonis is a Telemundo dating show that's based around the zodiac. Oh, I'd watch it doesn't seem like a good idea. Um. And then Love Cruise is an American reality show um featuring sixteen men competing sixteen singles competing for a two dollar prize. Uh. The original premier date of the show is September eleventh, two thousand one. But it was good. I do think of the peak of

reality TV as being like the period. Yeah, one of my favorite reality shows, but it was also like a very brutal watch and felt very morally wrong. Was a show called Solitary that I think I talked about on Girls and Hoodies ones, but it was people they had like a robot voice they could talk to, but that was the only the only communication they had, and they were each in their own little like horrible cell um, and they just didn't have any human contact, and it

was like how long can you go? But I never really liked The Bachelor. I think, you know, when I would contrast it with solitary because the dating shows like finding connection, you know, like whoe Emily, it sounds like you just entered an IMAX experience. For some reason, I really like the like total absence of connection and reality TV sometimes because it seemed more honest than the fabricated

romantic connections. I'm like, when you're watching someone just kind of like lose it from being alone for so long versus like trying to make themselves to you guys find The Bachelor pleasurable. I've never seen it. I hate I don't. I really don't. And it's like one of those things where I'm like, I don't understand people who like this, but I like lots of other stuff that's similar to this. Yeah, I tried watching one episode because I have so many

friends who are so into it. One of my friends actually does a podcast that's a college show about the Bachelor. But I tried watching one episode. It just seems so horrible. Well it seems so fake and so it's really hard to crack the veneer. But we all when we worked at Grantland together, it was like a huge thing. So that's we were all kind of forced to watch, Like, yeah, a lot of people. I feel like I watched it

for work, probably for about four there's so much of it. Really, you did work on that on Bachelor because you did like interviews with people. Yeah, and I became friends with the Celis Opera of yours, Yeah, Charley Joyce. I understand why people why people get obsessed with it, but it's not for me. I feel that way about Banderpump Rolls though I just went, well, there's also I think it's one of those things also that doesn't really sit right post it feels like a super conservative show, and it

felt like a super conservative show. Yeah, but I think even more so, it's one of those things where you really put the glasses on and you see it for what it is. I feel like it's i mean, like the only way that I really do understand it is. I'm like, it is the best critique of heterosexuality is an idea because it's like insane. It's like, okay, you go on dates with all these women, but it's like also the sexual politics of it just make no sense where it's like you have to have sex with them

at the end. That's so you're like you're not you might get not chosen because you have sex with them. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I once did a whole like drunk ted talk on on the Fantasy Suite on the concepts of the fan to see suite because it was such a The way that's treated on the show is again like we're going back to like the idea of depicting sex. It's like treated in such a weird like we can't

say what this actually is. But also we are pushing these people towards it and we want them to go into the box, but we're not going to see what happened from the box when they're in the box. But so the idea was and they talk about what happened afterwards, but you don't get to see and that is very American to be like we're selling the sex, but we're not going to show you because we can't have on television,

but like, yeah, on British television they would just show it. Actually, I like Love Island, which is just like The Bachelor but stupid. It's so good and I only like the British version because it's all really good slang um. It is very like, yeah, it's just people from all over England going on a holiday. Well, Molly, you're also really into naked and afraid for a while, because it's like the opposite, that's what I'm saying, where they're like, you're naked,

it's like a man and a woman. Usually you're naked and you're in the wildern you're afraid, like they I don't think they ever end up hooking up one time. I'm not even sure they never hook up, but they have to huddle together for warms. It's kind of like the opposite of the fantasy suite because the expectation is is like completely non sexual, but they're naked, so it's like nudity becomes non sexual really fast if you can

let people have it. It's when you like keep people away from it that it becomes this really fetishized thing. That's why we're so fucked up in America's many reasons why but you know, if you guys, did anybody here ever see sex Box, which I think also was a British show. First, what is sex box? Oh? You have sex in a box. Sex boxes where there's a box

on the stage. It's in front of a studio audience and couples come on and they talk about the sexual problems we're having and then they go have sex in the box. Yeah. Well in the box you can't see. So the box has four and then they come out and they're wearing robes. And this was also a Nathan for you. I was just thinking of Nathan the cube that they put in the hotel. Yeah, such a good idea. It's a great idea. You could have sex without your kids. Yeah,

that was a good product idea. Well, we'll be right back with another story about sex boxes. The Hunger Welcome back to Night Call. As part of our Spooky Love February, we watched Choice of Emily's for a spooky romance, Tony Scott's The Hunger, first Tony Scott directorial, the first Tony Scott film. Um, yeah, I love this movie. I've seen it a couple of times before. Um, and then I realized it fit into it fit perfectly into spooky love,

and it's a really good like. I think a lot of vampire movies can be metaphors for different kinds of things, but this is the one that's really about having a bunch of xes that you keep in coffins in your attic. Like that's what this is about. It is another Whitley Streamer Striber. We never decided it's a Whitley s joints. He of course wrote Communion, which we did as a night called book club pick Um, and we all had

like middling opinions changed, we felt changed. All of Whitley Striber's books appear to be about people changing forms from one form to another, whether it be like sexy alien or a sexy wolf apparently is another one. I think all of his films, if not all of them, have been adapted into films too, Like he did the book that The Day After Tomorrow was based on. Yeah, he's like getting paid for his nothing but beggars. I mean, have you seen The Hunger? Yeah? I watched it last night.

What's what are your thoughts? I mean, I really liked it. My main takeaway was the way that they did eyeshadow. I know, I tried today. Actually, I was like, wow, it's like all the way to their brow and it looks so good. It looks like a sunset and it's actually like a note this weird like microcosm for the entire aesthetic of the film, like just on their eyelid, like all of the colors, the gauzy fabrics, the blood, the gauziest movies. There's so much fog in all those rooms.

There's there's mideral like scars. I truly hated this movie. I will wait for my turn. I was so yeah. I mean, I just hated it. Like keeps saying spicy, if we had all the same opinion all the time, wouldn't be as fun. I liked the aesthetic a lot, but I felt like in the beginning, first twenty minutes, which okay, so spoiler spoilers, David Bowie is like aging really fast, and initially I was like, this is going to be a sexy movie. Correct, like it seems that way.

And then there was the whole incident with like the monkeys eating each other and then dying really graphically, and I was like, oh, just like the lawnmower man in right, like, well it not really, that's the thing. So Tony Scott, I think was criticized in the original coverage of this movie for like just totally subverting the plot in favor

of the gauze. And it was delicious gauze. It was like, it was a very sensually visual movie, but the plot there were so many times when it seemed to be chugging away in a certain direction and then it's just like derailed. And then by the end of the movie, I was like, what what happened? Like so okay, another problem. Then, I was telling Molly before we started recording, I could not stop fixating on the fact that there's a scene where a child takes polaroid pictures of David Bowie and

of Katherine Deneuve. As we all know, vampires cannot be photographed, nor do they have reflections in the mirror. So David Bowie is only part vampire, but Katherine Deneuva is full vampire. Why is there a polaroid of her face? Well, this movie clearly just not play by the vampire player. This is my only beef with it, Like I love a vampire movie or show that really really plays by the rules and like has fun with the rules. This one

is just like a real true like DayWalker movie. They're just like normal, glamorous people that don't die like that. That's basically they used the amulet. They never say they are vampire in the movie, which means maybe they're not vampire, they're just blood drink In the book apparently, and at least Striver's book was that he was sort of treating vampires is sort of a sci fi concept, so it's like a species of human or a kind of human.

It's like can be explained through like their blood and hence like why somebody could have a blood transfusion and take on a lot of the qualities of the vampire without being a vampire. So that was sort of the difference of his the conceit of the book, which is not super explicitly laid out in the movie. But yeah, I don't know, I think, like it's not super satisfying to me as like a vampire movie the opening five minutes.

But I thought it was going to be more like Interview of the Vampire, and it was going to be about like this couple that's like doomed to live together forever in their fancy and then I thought, then I was getting especially when they're in the townhouse. I was like, oh, this is about Jeffrey Epstein and Jesse x Well. Of course, um but it was like the I do find those those fancy New York town houses with the marble walls

to be like the most creepy places. Well also because they never turn on the lights ever ever, and not that I was like, because they're vampires. But if they're vampires again, they wouldn't have reflections, and they do, so they just prefer the darkness. Why you combine all these things I hate of like people who like to play piano and make you listen, people who like to never return on the lights, people who dust when people come over and they don't talk, they just dust. Why are

not a god? Why are vampires so posh? Always? Well, I feel like the whole thing like, at least in recent modern histories that like vampires are about an anxiety about some kind of wealthy class leaching off of people. Um Like I feel like that's like they're aristocratic, Like they're very rarely poor. That's what I'm saying, They're very

rarely poor. Vampires always aristocratics because I think like it's like, you know, zombie movies are kind of about being anxiety of like your neighbors, like your everyday people you know in life, just being like completely are about or about the fear of poor people. Know, they're about like alienation from your fellow man, whereas I think the vampire movies are much more about like, there are rich people out there, who will you know, zap all your resources and your

emotional your emotional and financial resources. And did did you feel as though this was like a metaphor for drug addiction? At first I was wondering. I had a bunch of thoughts, but then in the end I felt as though it had to be a metaphor for drug addiction, which I feel like is also a common kind of vampire uh tie in. I think that the way that the vampiresm is depicted is definitely like very overtly like junkie type imagery.

But I think that the story itself, which is why I like it and why I enjoyed questioning it today on Valentine's Day, is really like explicitly about having past loves and about like again keeping your exces uh in coffins in your attic. Uh, just like this idea of like, when you start a relationship with somebody, it feels like forever and ever uh, as David Bowie says in the Shower, uh. And and then you know an event inevitably has to end and then you have to like live with that

coffin in you're attic. It's also kind of like, that's what because the what do you call it? The tagline of the movie or whatever, it's no human love is forever, No human loves forever, something like that. So it made me think that like the whole reason because it was confused. One of the confusing things is why does he start aging? What trigger is that? And then I started thinking, because of the movie tagline or logline whatever it is, that it's she has fallen out of love with him, and

that's why he starts to age. And that definitely I feel like supports Emily your your hypothesis about it being about excess. And that was also the most horrifying part of the scariest part of Far Yeah. Yeah, I mean the attic full of the yeah when you realize that there's all when she's like, you know, keep keep him company, Lalia or whatever, the Katherine is so good. Oh my god, I mean Katherine ends. Yeah, I mean, just for that alone, this movie rules, I thought, but I understand. Yeah, I

mean that's the thing too. It's also, like I just it was became several different things that I thought it was going to be. Um, it turned into a lesbian vampire movie, which is another type of vampire movie. Um. And there's like a long history of lesbian vampires. Uh. There's a book called Carmilla that's like the female Dracula, and Carmilla is all about like a you know, a baroness or something who was secretly a vampire. But she's also like praying on this girl in her sleep, and

the girl like maybe gets into it. Um. So I do think it's also a metaphor for closetedness in a way. It felt like to makes sense, That makes sense. I think like a lot of vampire stories end up feeling like some kind of closet it like like not being able to like you have to kind of initiate people into being the kind of person that you are in order to spend time with them or spend your life.

Wait until your name, wait until you see the Lost Boys? Yeah, did you guys know that Susan Sarandon was not born Susan Because I did not know that, and that's her married name and from her first for the first was Prince humperd Ink and Princess Bride. That really blew my mind. Actually hump, it's like that. Yeah, I didn't either, and I was like, I just assumed that she, like you know,

came onto this earth. But one uh, this this movie is will always be remembered as the movie that David Bowie and Susan Sarandon hook up during, which is very interesting I think when you watch this movie, because it's not necessarily who you think would hook up while film. He said he was scared of Katherine Deneuve, who is when character, Yeah, because they barely share any scenes except for the kind of hospital scenes where he's waiting around

in the waiting room. But they are I would say, they're to me the two hottest people in the movie, So maybe it makes sense. Kevin de Neuve is pretty hot, I'm but that's also why it's like a hard movie in terms of the like sexual tension, because he's like a thousand years old the first minutes and then may kiss he kisses when he's like basically just kind of crumbling and it's so intense. Again, I was anticipating something.

I think if I had been better prepared, I was like, let's have some candles put on the Hunger to deal with death, like And I think that that's another thing that we like about it as a vampire movie, because like a lot of vampire movies are about the fantasy I'm never dying and always staying young and beautiful, and this is about like really like you know, the first few minutes of the movie when it's like with the Bella legostis dead, the whole bath housing at the club,

which is like I was watching this at the front and I was like, I think this is like how I thought like being an adult would be, Like like, this is what I thought it would be like the adult was like the first five minutes of The Hunger um. But but that's like so cool and it's like everybody's so beautiful and it's hot, and then you go into rapid aging straight out of that, and I think that that's like super intentional. Like I think that you cannot

appreciate one without the other. You can't appreciate the tragedy of like becoming a corpse before your lover's eyes without like having just seen like something super carnal and and and erotic and everything right before that. That makes sense.

I also saw it though in terms of like because because I think if you go with the drug metaphor, then it becomes something else to you of how your life becomes punctuated by like these brief highs, you know, where it's like you're you're having like super intense sex, or like you're in the shower and you're doing like the super intense making out, and then the next minute, like it's almost like you lose patches of time and when you come to your old you know, so it's

almost like your life is just like these brief bursts of joy and otherwise nothing. It's like the bathtub scene in The Shining where it's like the hot chick turns to the falling apart old lady in your arms. But it's yeah, the same thing with a dude, and that dude is David Bowie. So it's especially sad because I bring him back. No, there's nobody that you could put

like cast in that role. But it's also yeah, it's also like now that David Bowie the person is dead, it is interesting to be like, oh, but he is preserved in his like perfect forever form in this movie and other movies. Being in movies makes you a real vampire. Yeah, and but I guess I mean, like there's nobody that seems more immortal, like when you're watching this movie and it's like, so to have that person just great in real time, it's just like it's very alarming. Totally. It

feels like very upsetting to watch. Um. Not a lot of jokes in this movie is one more thing where there so there was no one had a sense of humor. All the stuff with Susan Sarandon's boyfriend was funny to me. I think it was funny when they when all of the like doctors were in a room chain smoking and apparently ashing into like a mouse's cage or so. I was like, Okay, maybe I could laugh, or maybe that's just like factual eighties. Who knows, No, I mean it's

very very eighties. Um, but it does also feel like it's early eighties. It isn't just gratuitous sex scenes. It is still kind of art movie sex scenes that like our integral to the plot and also like pretty hot, but you can see how it's like paving the way to just like full on music video like top gun type sex scenes that everybody would make fun of a eventually. Um,

but it does feel like it opens with a blood rave. Um. It feels kind of like a eurotrash version of Blade a little bit at you know again, what I thought it would be like right like if you put if you put Blade through like a soft core filter machine, it would become the Hunger, which I fully I'm on board with the aesthetic. Something I really appreciated about the movie was I've always thought in horror you see so many kind of hot young women get murdered, and it

was nice and a number of hot young men. I just I like that and very one dimensional, like it's just man in sunglasses and now he's gone slash that guy who they bring in to feed Susan Soranda. Then when they get Katherina to not brings into seat her, he's like doing an impression of Christian Bale and American Psycho. The American Psycho, but he also looks like Christian Bale. It's very weird, isn't that sucked up? Though? That we're like, oh yeah, like slashers, but for her, I was really

into it. Uncut gems spoilers, but like when they like stuffed Adam Sandler and the car trunk and like ripped all his clothes, It's like, great, more of this, and or just like all the stuff people say about like women in slashers and like maybe the opposite is true, like if it's men, I'm also like robbed them of their Asian for my pleasure. I am the ancient Egyptian vampire queen this place. Now you hate vampires. I love the ancient Egyptian vampire. The ancient That was a weird too.

They were just like here, she is ancient egypt knows how tommify people part of the genre. He always gets a flashback to them at different time periods. Her head dress which sort of like a nurse's hat, which I like, yeah, oh yeah, they did not do the hysterically. It was just funny to be like how much of vampire and

goth culture is just likes punk culture, you know. Or I was like, wow, a bunch of people with like good I makeup and silly like yeah, it's like and all the smoking indoors is so goss you know, just like I love that. It's just like what would vampire do if they would take up smoking? Because of course, yeah,

who cares premature? We should definitely watch Death Becomes hermes Her so she went as Death Becomes Her for help me and my best friend when we're in like we're really little and I remember I wore this like weird strapless dress that my mom had taken in for me and just got a black circle just like for like, the Death Becomes Her is also a movie about like female vanity and vampire type stuff. Really we should watch it. It's very good. Triangle. Um yeah, well, I'm like, so

what was the verdict for everybody on Hunger? Because I just like it's such a I'm just so happy all the time. I felt like I was like, this is like when I made you guys watch Reds. It's like I can't have an opinion on it. That is like like I wish I'd seen it earlier. Really is when it made me. I feel like I would have loved it if I had seen it when I was a teenager. And now I was like into it, but I was a little bit like there could be a little more

plot happening in this movie. Sure. Yeah, I thought it had a lot of great ingredients. I blame Tony Scott entirely for why I didn't like it. That's that's whose fault it is. He gave. He gave it some great things, but I think he just like it felt like he it was. It goes in real smooth. Well, the studio made them put a different ending on it, you guys. That's yeah. Molly was telling me that earlier too. I didn't know that, um where I think you were saying.

Susan Surrandon really objected to that. Yeah, because um spoilers. Apparently in the book, Susan Srandon's character kills herself for at least in the original script, because she's like, I'd rather die than be an addict. Um, And they sort of like have that scene and then just cut her where she cuts her throat and then forces her blood into Miriam's mouth. Yeah, that's great, It's it's it's good. Well, Emily, you love vampire movies. I love vampire movies. Have been

watching a lot of them recently. Um. One of my recent fades that I watched somewhat recently, there was Only Lovers Left Alive. I feel like I put some songs or something from that on a night comics recently. But that one is like, I mean, there's always kind of just the fun, glamour part of a vampire movie where it's like, what would I do if I could just live forever and have every single experience and and read every book and only overs left alive? Is like definitely

about that. Like there's this wonderful part where like teld this win has test to get on a plane, so she packs her bag, but she's a vampire, so what does she need. It just takes like a suitcase full of books, which is like so sweet and like kind of like, yeah, I guess if you had really been around for like five hundred years, you would just like that's all you would really care about after a while.

It's just like being intellectual. Simulation is just like having you stuff to think about because you probably get super bored. But the idea of like a long long of a long term relationship in that one where um, you know, you kind of have to find a way to make it work over over centuries, right, And that's like what makes vampire movies sometimes very romantic is that idea, and also of like, you know, working around a person's house like being a vampire, you know, agreeing to become a

vampire because you like that so much. Um, and also just the thing of like, well we're kind of stuck together. Huh. Well, that's that's why the Hunger is sucked up twos because it's like it is like the feeling of somebody being like, oh, you thought we were in this together. Just kidding, Yeah, I didn't realize this. This is sort of sucked up.

But like I've read it just on the Wikipedia summary, which is like when um, when John David Bowie's character kills the girl that's been taking music lessons from them, it's like, apparently it was because Miriam Katherine Dene's character was like grooming her to be her like her next kind of consort. After I mean, I think that's a little uncomfortable. That was too for you. Well, it was a little too Epstein for me, and it was also giving me kind of like Kirsten Dunston interview with the

vampire Vites. But that's what I thought was gonna happen in the movie. That that that was me about this couple, Like taking in like a younger girl as their like weird consort. It was not that, but that death scene is gnarly. Yah. Yeah, it's very upsetting. Yeah. I feel like they think like because they don't fight people, as you said, but they have these little oncs that they stabbed people with um and I feel like I was

thinking about that. I was like, I feel like maybe there was a stink on vampire movies at the time or something that I guess this is like post hammer horror and stuff, like maybe it was seen as too like cheesy or something to have people fighting next. I think vampire is like a classy version thing. I don't know vampires. It's like some of the basic things remain the same across every vampire movie. But yeah, I mean, obviously this is better than like Twilight to my mind

in terms of characterizations of vampires. Also, Elaine and I are both redheads, so like you are essentially vampires. There's nothing I always relate to the like living in the night part of it, of the like why would you be out in the sun? Ever, they go out in the sun. Though. I really liked this movie, but I do wish it had stuck a little more to the vampire rules, at least with the pictures. It's strange to because like, but the pictures, because I feel like pretty

in the sun is more. It's not an emulsion. Maybe it's just polaroids. Maybe there's maybe maybe they up on an iPhone. I don't know, we don't know. Maybe vampires wear sunscreen. Talking about the sun, has the world gone upside down? Tess, what's your favorite vampire movie? That's that's tricky, don't put me on the spot. And what's your favorite vampire movie? The hunger? I was thinking about True Blood, which I was feeling like maybe I should go back

and watching True Blood. Like watching it, it knows what it is to the rules really hard and and they have a lot of fun with it, and that's like one of the things, and they objectify men and women equally. And it's also actually when of the few poor vampires got a lot of representations, it actually a lot of carmuns like class and uh yeah. Although I feel like they set that up at the beginning that it was going to be about a lot of things, and then they were just kind of like it's just like the

horny vampire. That's you know what that's good too. I think I have a weird allergy to to vampire movies. Um stretching back to college. Honestly, it was that, As many are aware, a roommate and I had a long standing feud because she watched Interview with a Vampire on repeat every day every day. I hadn't seen it, but then by the end of the week I'd seen it a lot, and I was like, Okay, I'm good now, but it kept going. How about Dracula Dead and Loving It? Sure,

I'll go with that one. What about Bram Stoker's Dracula. Yeah, that's my favorite. Yeah, I liked that one. I mean, it's just I find them to often be humorless, I guess, like not always though, And Vampire in Brooklyn, I feel like that's that's like part of the goth like esthetic to humorists. It puts me ill at ease. It makes me feel like I'm like a human boopy cushion. Yeah would you? But yeah, we let the right one in.

I just feel like, I think you're right too, because I also feel like if you were alive for thousands of years, you would be so funny. Only lovers love to life is funny in the way that I think a vampire would be funny. Like it's pretty dry and it's like I just want to kill myself. Yeah, that's that's what I'm after. I trust Jim J is a Jim jarmish or yeah, yeah, it's great. Well we're very glamorous.

Before we wrap up, can we delve into a little bit of sexual astrology close out with like, because just one line from sexual Aroogy so well intro sexual astrology. Please, I've been staring at this in front of Molly for a while. I just I thought test might own this book because she has a lot of good spot from the sixties and this is exactly there's like a missing place on my bookshelf where this belongs called sexual astrology. A sign by sign God to your Sensual Stars by Martin,

and it's from nineteen seventy six by Martin. Is the only name Martine goes. It's your sign Pisces. Uh, happy almost birthday, Thank you almost birthday after a favorite day of the year. Well, would you like to know about pisces orogenous zone? Oh my god, sure, it might be too spicy. Anyway, the feet tyces will respond to gentle massage and caressing of the heel and arch. If you rub the toes between the paths of your fingers, or take them in your mouth and softly bite them, you

will drive up Pisces mad with delight. They're like little, they're fish. I was just I was like, um. That actually turned my stomach trying. She has a flair for drama in the boutoir. Count on her to make the right moves, say the right things, create the right ambiance. She learns early about sex and her willingness to please. Rarely lets her say oh Christ, this books a little to places. She's sexually liberated and enjoys a wide range

and variety of erotic byplay. It doesn't take much to arouse a Pisces woman watching a stag movie or reading the choice parts of a Today novel. We'll start her breathing heavily. Um. The one of the few times the Pisces woman enjoys the woman on top position is on a water bad is despicable. She likes to wear ear rings during sex. Apparently I will stop her in do people take out their earrings before they have sex? Like normally? I mean when I yeah, I haven't hearings in I'm

just some bad hoop. Yeah hearings. That's true. That's I'm gonna take on my stud hearing. Now you like to leave them on because you're a pistom, but they might pop your water bed. That's true. My landlords would be pretty mad about I did not disclose on the leaves. This book is sort of weird and mean. Can you please screen grab the libre page? Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, I'm gonna put Let's put some of it in the newsletter. Here's about the capricorn, which is test as a capricorn's um.

When all the flashy, scintillating, brilliant and available women have passed into memory, she will remain true. That absolutely. So here I stand. I've prevailed. Oh wow, Yeah, this book is nuts. That just makes me means that you're like the X in the coffin though, so I'm just like crumbling dust but still alive. Y um. It says she accelerates from zero to wow and nothing flat. Then Talcolm perfumed or oiled. She's ready to move on to the

next room and the next act. It sounds like you're preparing me for frying, where she's a biter sometimes sometimes this is erotic, but when the love bite occurs immediately before during orgasm, she isn't aware of how deep in heart she's going into flesh. The jaws tend to lock during orgasm, so she may inadvertently become cannibalistic. How did they know you didn't like the hunger? What am I spent a month in prison? Do they have separate ones for men? Yeah, they tell you about the male and

female of each We are clearly I would. I'm sure all of us would align better with the nineties seventies version of the man version of I'll read the male libra Um. He is kind, has a strong sense of justice and fair play, and we'll give anyone an even shake. You're right, maybe the ones for men are nicer. For sure. She'll always say yes, So I said I would bite, and in a cannibalistic a way. Um. If you want an opening topic, try a current news item. State your

own opinion strongly. Librans may disagree, but never disagreeably. Don't forget Libra loves luxury. If you give a gift sterling silver, fourteen carrot gold, Lalik crystal, a doors jewelry that seems more touristic sex either, like the ones for the women were like, uh, there's no sex are just like. It also tells you how to break up with people if you want them to leave um. But it also says Librans can usually be identified by their especially well shaped

and rounded buttocks. They always say that about saying about capricorns is we have bad knees. Virgos, the worst virgos have stomach problems and they're like virgins. Who wants that in a sex of stra literally virgins? No, But like the virgo one in this book too, is like very boring or into cinem It's like touch them in their stomach, which is like, please don't touch them in their stomach. Sensuous thrills may be obtained by laughing the stomach area

with a sponge, soap and warm water. Virgo also particularly likes the feeling of the spray from a shower nozzle directed at this area are your stomach. It's it's like put your tongue in their belly button. You guys, this inadvertently are are strange? Love February Valentine's Day edition inadvertently kind of became like a slumber party where welly that's all. That's what I thought you might own this, all the

good smut for Lomber parties and today books. The most today book is a Lane Cose Romance at the End, which you can buy now in bookstores including Skylight Books. Are friends at Skylight Books. You have signed copies at Skylight They do have signed copies at Skylight. Just a couple of this. You better run on over, hurry on

over for a last minute post Valentine's Day gift. I've been told it's a good gift for your X. Honestly, it is a phenomenal book of poetry, very Barrier X in a coffin in the attic, in the Lane's poems. Um well, thank you so much for coming on late. It was my pleasure. Thank you guys so much for having me. Where can people find you if you want to be found? Um well, my poetry school has a website called poetry field school dot com. I'm on Instagram

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