80: FALL IS TWIZTED with Cait Raft

and Tess Lynch. Hello. And we will be joined later today by our very special guest, Kate Raft of jack Am And this podcast is self Care, who will explain to us disco girls fall and what exactly happens in Bonnie Springs, Nevada that you will never be able to forget. Um stay in suspense until then. We wanted to start off with a little article from our favorite science website, Live Science. No other science website, no other science was

all the all the science is true and real. So there was a story on Live Science that seemed very attuned to our interests. It was about our conspiracy beliefs on the rise. What would you guys have said if I had asked you if conspiracy beliefs around the rise? I clearly thought yes, yeah, definitely. Well, according to Live Science, conspiracy beliefs are not on the rise. They are at the same levels they have always been, which is about ten of the population believes a bunch of conspiracies to

be true. Uh. While it may be true that the Internet has allowed people who believe in conspiracies to communicate more, it has not increased the number of Americans who believe in conspiracies. According to the data available. UH, they say that only nine percent of people believe in Pizza Gate of people believe there's a deep state working against amand Trump.

This does not make any sense. I know, I don't, but anywhere I continue, at least fifty percent of Americans believe in one conspiracy theory, ranging from the idea that the nine eleven attacks were fake to the belief that for former President Barack Obama was not born in the US. This also did freak me out because then when it listed a bunch of conspiracies and how many people believe in them, one of them is straight up just like oh, the Jewish conspiracy and it's like fifteen to twenty percent

of people. They did not include as many like progressive conspiracies. Well known progressive conspiracy right like this claims that eleven percent of people strongly agree that Barack Obama was not really born in the United States. U of people agree, of people say neither strongly disagree. Okay, that one. That one is like one that gets passed around on Facebook. It's it's insane and stupid that it's like argued at all and then thanks to our president, like that it

was ever a thing. But the vapor trails, the chem trails one, there's a grand total of nine percent of people that were in the study who said that they believed in chem trails, which is like, that just strikes me as so correct. Yeah, there's got to be more feel less people. Oh, I think more people. Really, Yeah, I feel I've had so because you know, I have that thing where I like do talk to strangers way too much, and I feel like I've gotten in so

many conversations about chem trails. Well, here's here's one that I was like, is this a conspiracy or is this true? Which is the current financial crisis was secretly orchestrated by a small group of the walls of Wall Street bankers to extend the power of the Federal Reserve and further their control of the world economy. Sure, I mean that sounds yet that that a conspiracy that seems like some journalism they don't want us to talk about more than that.

And one that I'd never heard before. I'm excited I know which one this is. The US government is mandating the switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs because such lights make people more obedient and easier. When I when I saw that, I was like, I'm not going to say this as that sounds to me somewhat reasonably. It was really weird. The like effect of those light posts is what you notice. No, the put you like, they're unpleasant,

there's something wrong with anything. They make me less compliant, they make me irritable, irritable. I remember when they changed them all over and that Gilson's like, and I came on like New Year's Day, which is a terrible idea, and it was so bright. I left. I walked. Usually they're not they're they're bright. They do the warm tinted one right doesn't mean anything like all it does like, it doesn't change the flicker of the light at all,

but it's it's still annoying. A friend of ours also wanted like the brightest light available, and then he got it and was like, this was a terrible what crazy person wanted the brant gave their identity unknown until later. I only go ideally. I think the idea lotted just like forty five. I really like a dim light, the really bright lights, but especially the fluorescent ones because obviously, I mean, I use them because they don't want to

be a dick, but I don't enjoy the effect. And I can feel if you have fast vision, you can see the flickering has an effect. I just don't think it makes you more compliant. I think it's that makes you more irritable. Now you're gonna have to go deep on it, because it's an interesting question. This says also that the review showed absolutely no change in the amount

of conspiracy theory bleep over time. In fact, the percent of letters received this is how they were doing the judging about conspiracy theories actually declined from the late eighteen hundreds to the nineteen sixties, Right when you would think it would start to spike with jfk assassination theory, it actually went down. Letters received by the US government or who's receiving the letter letters to the editor for the

New York Times in the Chicago Tribune. I don't know that it feels like a weird selection pool for this. I you would use Twitter, you'd just be like. I also feel like, if you truly believe that there's a conspiracy going on about Kim Trails, and the New York Times is definitely in on it, so why would you, well, wait, you guys don't believe in Kim trails, do you know? Okay,

just checking, just checking. I don't know. For a minute, I was, I listened and was like, I was, I like that this suggests the idea that conspiracy theories are going up in popularity is itself a conspiracy theory because they just list all these times, like starting in the sixties when papers were like more conspiracies than ever before, the Golden age of conspiracy. People thought that in the nineties that was like a big, big thing, like I also thought it in the eighties and seven. But wait,

but think about this. So one of the conspiracies that I think is true is that our phones are listening to us. I believe that, like, if you pulled people, probably upwards of eight percent of people would agree. But then how can they say, like, there's no common quote unquote conspiracy theories are really listed in this article? They're the more kind of like fringe things, which it would be reasonable to expect lest people would believe because they

have access to more information from the Internet. But what about when the conspiracy involves the Internet and you have these companies who are like trying to dispel Well, there's two types of conspiracies. There's like conspiracies that are actually false and are just like the dissemination of misinformation, and then there are conspiracies that are just like suppressed information.

What a great segue into today's topic. Oliver Stone's jfk Emily's favor stoner movie Something When I was a stoner. I love that. That's like you were like, all right, let's put on the really fluorescent lights now. But the thing is I mean because that was my my brief tenure as a stoner. Uh, which do you like, less less than a year of my life? If that, um, I don't remember it at all. It would be very difficult to remember even if you were not being a stoner.

I didn't like so noisy and so much going on, Yet it really draws you in such the test and I both watched all three hours of it like in a in a one gulp because we had to keep going. Uh. Test and I have both never seen this movie before. I don't know why I haven't. It's funny because like I can because it was a college thing for me, I consider dorm room cannon, but like it is one of these dorm room can just love it. But all over Stone is like every all of our stone be

as in The Natural Born Killers. That's the funniest one to be to be. But it is very psychedelic also in its weird way. Um. I definitely didn't know anything about this movie. I thought it was a biopic of JFK. I had. I had no idea what to expect, and I don't know. I thought we thought it was a biopic that like leads up to him dying because I knew about Back into the Left from The Simpsons, but

I didn't know it was just about the conspiracy. I found this out from talking to my boyfriend's mom mentioned something about the New Orleans aspect of the JFK assassination conspiracy, and I was like, what New Orleans aspect? She's from New Orleans, uh, And they were like, haven't you seen JFK? Uh? And I had not? So then I did this movie is so New Orleans e. It's yes, yeah, I mean even the things that are yeah, it's a very that's

the thing. The sweat is like a heat. Everything that anyone said about overacting you can just attribute to, like no, it's like a corrupt guy in Nework, like Tommy Lee Jones. It was like I couldn't hold it together with Tommy Jones. And it's hair Tommy Lee Jones, Joe pashis here and oh my god, eyebrows. It's a very funny movie, sometimes intentionally sometimes not so intentionally. I watched it this morning,

which was like the strangest decision I'd ever made. I just it's kind of movie in the morning, though, because at night it's like start like at five just to get through. Yeah. I almost started it last night at ten thirty. And then I was like, but I'll just be so like by the end of it, UMU coffee, Yeah, ready to go. I sat down and I was like,

let's do this. But then the weirdest thing was that in the middle of the movie movie, I got the mail and I had ordered some books, like some used books, and so there was an envelope like a plane brown envelope and on the back it said book depository, and I was like, are you kidding me? Because that's like a huge plot point. Um. So yeah, JFK brain, as we said last week, is the boomer Epstein brain. It's so dense it's hard. I I feel like I had less.

As you may know if you listen to last week's episode with Chris Cantwell, Um, I didn't know anything really, Like I just knew the bare facts of the conspiracy theories, and you know, the assassination. It was something that was like, no, I didn't know anything about that conra I never went down that particular road. Yeah. So I was kind of the prime target for JFK because I just believed it all. It was like, of course, everything checks out complete by

the end. It really you're like, oh, this argument is airtight, and then you look into it and it's not airtight. But the movie does a good job of convincing you the power of cinema. Yes, it's just a sick ass movie and sissy space that gets fantastic. It's a beauty.

The interiors of their apartment are beautiful. It has like some good emotional HAPs but like, really it's just funny and it's Oliver's Stone, like it may be the most the caucaneous movie that he's done, which I would not have expected to say, but it's like at one point, there's also a speech in the courtroom that Jim Garrison played by Kevin Costner is giving and I swear to god, it's like a fifty minute long monologue. Well that's a

courtroom scene. That's but it's so exaggerated. But that courtroom scene I do remember sometimes like what I would get to that scene and I would be like, okay, like time to get some chips. So I need to get some chips. Do I need to go to the bathroom? Like that would be like my pista. At one point, he just starts doing this thing with his hands and he's kind of just like rehashing points you already know,

and he's doing this thing with his hands. My husband was like, I think he's been doing that thing with his hands for like fifteen minutes. I think he did what I read and then he started crying. At the end he does crying. That was They just were like, Okay, we gotta use this one. But he was like he had become so he had become intense from a conspiracist Kevin Costner, Yes or no? You know, I had never thought yes before in my life. Um, but he was great. And what are you asking? Yes or no? Just yes

or no? Do you agree or disagree? I mean I'm trying to think what else did I see him in that? I was like, he's good in this bullder room. I guess pretty good. Um yeah, but there's always something a little bland about him to me. But he was great in this. I thought, Um, you guys like water World. He's apparently supposedly a huge stoner, which adds to the Emily watching jfk All making sense. I did not love

water World? Are you are you shocked? I mean, I haven't watched that in a zillion years, but I feel like it would be a fun rewatch. Um. I did watch it like quite a bit. I feel like after it came out, I feel like everybody always had it on VHS at like Field of Dreams just did a lot of damage with my opinion of Field of Dreams. Just tell you can't tell an Iowa and you don't dream. I just hate movies about men and their father. It's always a ghost Dad in the base movie is so weird.

And it's a very strange. I don't think it gets enough credit for dances with wolves. I have never seen dances with wolves. I feel like it would be interesting to watch it. I think it's interesting to watch now. Yeah, I'm sure. Sure. Well, it's like it's like the original Last Samurai, which I watched recently for the first time, which is like, uh, yeah, not that's where Tom Cruise becomes a samurai. Yeah. Yeah. The best part about j Man we should watch the post no thank You. The

best part about JFK is John Candy. John Candy being like calling everyone dude and daddy, oh and eating crab halfway through Johnny and at the same time, we're like Mitch Headburg, like his cadence was so and he was so good it it playing like like a just a sleazy Southern with sunglasses. Apparently the sweat was all real because he was very nervous to do the scene, so you could tell. But also, I mean, like everyone's sweat

was Yeah. I just thought it was a great New Orleans movie, which is obviously the last thing I expected JFK to be about, because they because my boyfriend's mom was like explaining the conspiracy about like, oh, like they set up this guy to make it look like this gay guy did it so that he would get killed. They made it seem like he was involved. Um, but it was just part of like a New Orleans conspiracy involving money. But then there's another there is like a

New Orleans aspect that like a New Orleans mafio. So guy is supposedly one of the guys who may have ordered the hit on JFK. I mean, I think what makes it great, like Zodiac, is like you come away being like I have no idea and I'm never going to be able to stop thinking about it. Well, I think that's a nice thing about like these you know, open open case. You know, at least in the public imagination story, is that like you're not watching it to get a resolution, so you have to find something else

interesting to get at. Yeah. Yeah, And it's about just like being an obsessive person we can all relate to. Um. Yeah, I I just think it's rules. It was great. It's definitely the kind of thing that I don't think I would have enjoyed prior to this time. It's very relevant to watch it in a class I might have like skipped it on by, but just watching it for fun. It was really fun. They definitely were not teaching this

in any classes. Was in film school, and it does just sort of like, you know, yeah, it does make you be like, oh, yes, slank of the government have invested interest in keeping people in the dark about a lot of things, for sure. Uh yeah, I regret that I didn't watch it so I can talk about with you guys. So foggy for me, like I but I remember, really, I mean, I watched it because I liked it. It's really a weird compulsive thing. It was like I loved

the feeling of watching JFK. Yeah. Well, also there are so many great scenes of people in darkened like beautiful studies with the rain pouring down and we're in the middle of a fire right now. So it was so nice like at night to be like, oh, imagine a subtropical climate. It's like a murder mystery, I think, you know. I went then I opened a million times about the JFK assassination and all the conspiracies around it. And it seems like and I learned also about May Babbage I

think is her name. I should look over on it, this woman who was the had a conspiracy radio show in l A in the thirties, you uh, which I guess had a lot of Kennedy conspiracy stuff. It was one of the places where those people went to talk. And just when they show how they make the guy seem crazy, right, how, they're like, well, let him go on Carson and then we'll make him look like a

nut and that's how we'll diffuse this situation. But it seems like a lot of the conspiracy had to do with the fact that the Suppruter film was so hard to see you for so long, right, And I guess like by the time it's in JFK, it was like it had just been released so that you could just view it, But it used to be like very hard to see because they didn't want people to see the president.

The whole weird part of the JFK thing is just like the government's refusal to release documents and you're like, but why, And I mean, I think that's like the huge theme of the film is you know that the government treats you like a child, and that's like a really terrifying thing, and that's super and that's why I was watching and I was like, I'm glad I'm watching it now because it it is something that's on people's mind a lot of like what's the like, where is

how thick is the veil between the government and the people. And we talked about this level like yeah, some things where you're like, we've all accepted that our phones listened to us for a long time. But when when we were first telling people that a lot of people were like, no, they don't. But it's also strange that that Facebook and Instagram and everybody can continue to deny this when it's something observed by literally ever because if they deny it,

they don't have to take culpability. They're just like some mistake, we don't know, it's a glitch in the matrix. I just like for something like that, Like, I mean, it's kind of easy to understand in a pre Internet era um when everything in question is like a government, a government agency or whatever, so there is a protocol for classification and stuff like that, and I believe that you

can hide something that big in that context. And at that time, I do think like now and like the online here, it's shocking to me that like if they like for example, if if if Instagram is listening to all of your your conversations for the sake of advertising or whatever else selling information. It's just like, how is that not out right now? That's like actually my only misgiving about believing it. It's just like it feels like it should be out there right now, like it's undeniable.

People agree. Just Instagram won't admit it, right, but there should be like proof by now, or somebody would like, you know, go against in the NBA or whatever. Like people don't like so many nd as already, like in the last few years, Like it's like the hot thing to do. Why doesn't somebody somebody Instagram needs to break that India, Well, we saw what happened to the people

who talked in JFK's right, That's what I'm saying. Well, speaking of twisted tails, oh god, someone broke the nightcall agreement. Emily is too twisted. I had too much of an edge lord. I want to point out also that your husband pointed out that the joker would not pay to see the joke exactly. I know. Well that's how not I'm not an edge lord. Actually I'm super normal and uh no, it's uh I want to go see joker That's why I didn't see JFK. I had to choose.

I had to make a Soapy's choice of Joker or JFK. But this is great because you can tell Molly and me about it. What do you guys want to know? How was the film? Joker? Um? It is the word that I can't I'm trying to find a better word for it. But I do find I found it to be pretty benign overall. And I think it's very interesting to go and look now because I was trying and

I'm not reading that many reviews. I would see people's tweets about it or whatever, from Venice or from Tiff and um, there was there was a lot of hand drenking, but it felt like it felt like handringing about hand ringing or something. It felt like very meta, But so I didn't really know what what the fuss was particularly, and it's been very interesting to go back and read and even just like going through Metacritic and like, and

that's right, Metacritic, not Rotten Tomatoes. Don't look at Rotten Tomatoes. It sucks, um. But at the when you scroll down and you go to the bottom, like the lowest ratings, it's like there is. I will say, there's a generation of critic that freaked out about this movie and what like that this is dangerous, that this isn'tcendiary, that this is like going to you know, everybody's going to like it up a theater or something because of this movie.

The AO Scott review is pretty much what you were saying, or he was like, I have no idea why this is being treated as it is. So there's so much there's I mean, I will just say that like a more dangerous movie for me, if you even just want to talk about like contemporary comic book bro canon is

the Dark Knight. Like The Dark Knight is more I hated those movies because they were like libertarian fantasy, right well, but even if you're just looking at the Joker in that movie, if you're looking at the Joker is like an idol for a certain kind of like edge Lord Boy online, he's so much more dangerous as like a romantic figure, which is also kind of why I like that, like The Dark Knight. I'm sorry, not because I think like, uh and to state surveillance and stuff like that, but

he hates Batman. I hate Batman right right, And there's something like, and he's truly nihilistic in that movie, Like, and that's actually the scariest actually, Tim Burton Joker rules. Also the Jack Nicholson Joker. I've never seen that one before, like not until not that long ago. Yeah. I totally was like, oh, this is great, it's great. That movie's great. He's like a like an artist, like he's an art collector.

It's it's feels well, he's like a gangster. Yeah yeah, um yeah, and and that I don't know, I mean, that was just kind of like silly and fun, I guess. I mean the thing about this Joker movie. Okay, first of all, jakuin Phoenix is like very good in it. I really like his performance in it. Um. Does this feed into Durga Chibo's theory that every Joakin Phoenix performance is method for the next Joaquin Phoenix performance? Well? Oh,

I was forgetting. But I remembered while I was watching it that because I was like, what was his last movie? It wasn't. It wasn't the Lynn Nancy movie, was it? Um? But no, he wasn't. Did I talk about this on the podcast. He was in this barely released movie about Mary Magdalene in with Rooney Mara, which is I wrote about it with Rachel Handle. That's where they met. Yeah, I think so, which is like it's like Jesus to Joka.

But it's like it's, oh, it's so rude to think about that performance in cont because that actually weirdly feels it felt like preparation for this one. Well, he's one of those actors too. It feels like who likes to put himself on the cross over and over again, make his body all fucked up stuff. I mean his body is he has a very like j horror body in this um because he's he just lost he lost a ton of weight, and there's something weird with his shoulder blades,

like I don't like being out. Yeah. So what I've heard is this movie has like really incoherent politics. Yeah, it doesn't have any This is the reason I say

it's nine. It's like it's like I remember watching like shortly after the election, like Rogue one came out the Star Wars movie UM, which is like full of all this language about like resistine and stuff like that, and I was like, oh, man, like the Star Wars fans who are like uh fascist or whatever going to like hate this movie, like good and then then they all loved it, and I was like, oh, this is like my first lesson, Like if you make a movie vague enough,

which all big tent poles are, anybody will see their politics in it. And so I think the thing that was like actually kind of annoying to me about this movie, which is not a very good movie, Like it's not it's like very superficial and kind of um empty but um.

But like I don't understand why people on the left particularly are like rolling over and letting the right have it, or like letting letting are you trying to get the leftist joker right, because it's like it's about it's about like he gets the social services cut off and then like basically there's like an Antifa protest for like like Bruce Wayne's dad is basically Donald Trump in the movie. I mean it's like I've heard that also, I've heard the movie is actually more about like funk up the

rich people. That rich is the rally. But I think the it was that Todd Phillips went on that, but I think it was like those goddamn leftists so well, it was it was like laying out a buffet of things that you were, that you knew about the movie before seeing a movie of the Todd Phillips connection, I think the things that offend me about it, or like Todd Phillips making a prestige movie in any way and thinking that that winning Venice, like as I keep pointing out,

the last movie also won Venice, the DNA toopper movie that ruined his career, because it's really unwatchable. So I think it's like they did it for publicity, probably also to be like and also European people love stupid American bullshit. Well look at a remove you might be able to kind of not enjoy the aspects that Americans, some Americans found threatening, but at a remove it might seem more

insightful than it does. I think it's also like the Scorsese versus Marvel discourse is so inane because it's like there are things besides both of those things. But he exactly produced this, right, Like I just like he was a DC fan. That's what's so funny that was. But I think some Marvel, like DC, some reviews positive that he exactly produced it just to avoid a lawsuit for plagiarism, for sure. I think it's also that's the really offensive

thing to me. It's like just it's just like a whitewashed version of taxi driver, right until like gesture at like those Paul Strader movies. And I will say, also taxi drivers politics are also sort of incoherent and druggy, you know, but at least they are aware of being incoherent, and like somebody else's reviews was like, at least also a taxi driver like like acknowledge that this guy was a fucking racist too, right, but which they would never

acknowledge in this this version of the movie. Wasn't there though, Like I know, it's like it's like not. It's like so like there is a racial thing going on in the movie, but it's totally incoherent seven like seventies or eighties, and I heard it's like it's one of these movies

that's like we're post racial. There's but it's like makes no sense it is to be post racial, because that's not a thing, and also not in this made up time period in a made up city that is clearly just New York, right, Like there's like references apparently to like the Central Park five and stuff, which I think I miss because I I came into the movie like right, and also just you probably spend as much time as Todd Phillips knows about the Central Park five right to

gesture to those things without having any actual like analysis or point is so fucking stupid. Yeah, I don't know. It was. The thing is I think the thing that annoys me most of all is just like like the more the publicity around it. I think I was really convinced by the end of this movie that like it only existed in the kind of I don't know, like hyperventilating context that it created for the media echo chamber. Yeah,

it didn't go chamber because it's like the dome. Um. Yeah, Like it was like, oh, I think that most of what people are fighting about, and this is why I wanted to see the movie, Like you can fight about what it is in quotes without seeing it forever and like never actually get it what what actually goes on in that movie? And I think that's also interesting, But that's not like watching a movie. Yeah, I don't know. I wanted to see it for free. That's my problem.

You want to know how much I've paid to see this movie because I had to see it at a certain time, so I had to see it on thirty five, which of course they're showing it. That is twisted that you had to see Joker ontime to punish you for liking thirty five millimeter it actually, I mean it's smoke them all. Yeah. Uh it costs nine that's at eleven in the morning. Is truly twisted. It's very twisted. Anyway, what was the best part, Um, The best part is the like the talk show thing at the end, like

so like, um, it's just King of Comedy. Yeah, it's just King of Comedy. But yeah, night call no no, I want to know you're right. And what was the best? So was his performance on like the Joaquin Phoenix Global. And also there's like there's a I mean it's sort

of dumb. There's like a kind of very fight call light, a fight club like don't give it, don't tell everybody what we do after the pH God No, there's like a fight club light sort of subplot that runs through involving zay Zy beats his character that like when it was revealed, because I was like really upset with what

was going on with her character. And then when whatever all spoilers movie, you don't give a ship spoiler spoiler alert, Like it's it's that he has a crush on his neighbor played by zay Z Beats, and then um, like they strike up a relationship and it's like insane because he's so weird and all, and it's like what is she thinking? And like the the exchanges are like non existent. I was like, this is the worst movie girlfriend I've ever seen in my entire life. And then it's revealed

that she was an entirely imagined relationship and she wasn't there. God, but I will say when that was revealed, I was like, oh, Okay, that I kind of appreciate because you couldn't have reconciled it really happened. But I appreciate it because I think that all, like it was interesting to then think of all like superhero movie girlfriends being imaginary all movie girlfriends

might fear. But it was just like because they do the cutback where they're like all these scenes she was there and she's not there, And I was like, what if that was like every single fat man wasn't there. I don't know, well, she wasn't there after that other movie. Wasn't she Katie Holmes or it was Katie Holmes. She was That was such a weird that was like, hey,

women are literally replacing justly. You don't look exactly alike. Yeah, you won't notice the difference in acting abilities between these two people. Um, I'm glad I could see that for you guys, So they don't have to thank you so much for reporting Jokers are not j Jokers are boring. That's what I've heard. They're fine. Now that we've cleansed ourselves with that, we can get into Fall. Now. Um, we're going to have a very special guest today to join us to talk about Fall. It's fall. It's fall.

That's a quotation from our special guests. And so after the break, we'll be back with our guest, Kate Raft, the author of its Fall, a scene about Fall. Welcome back tonight, Call. We are here today with our very special guest, Kate Raft. Kate is on my favorite podcast, Jack Am and my other favorite podcast, this podcast is Self Care with Drew Spears. Welcome tonight, call, Kate. Wow, thank you so much for having me. Wow, this is this is like, this is a big deal for me.

I'm a big fan. I wish that this was a livestream or any kind on any kind of video, because Kate looks incredible. Yes, today, I just want to like maybe describe it like kind of like descriptive visual services. Um. She's got a yellow like Dick Tracy hat, a yellow Dick Tracy like blazer, a yellow canteen, yellow manicure, the yellow manicure. I didn't even notice the man holy shit. Um, and then offsetting it with a good little yellow and

green tied eye shirt and like flawless red lipstick. It looks amazing, Like the colors are just like when you're not backt. Kate invented the color yellow. It's one of her claims. I did invent yellow. I love yellow, Thank you very. I were a yellow you were a wedding yellow wedding. I know it's that that's so radical now, I was because I love yellow. Yellow is a great color. It is. You've also pioneered the idea that wearing a

color can be a whole personality. Absolutely, and it's something that I didn't invent that concept, but you know, and sometimes you have a partner Joan Haley Ford, who we also love, who goes as red. Yeah, she she wears. We have a sketch duo called Red and Yellow, and we both just wear red and yellow and to us, that's funny, that's comedy, a catchup and mustard. Yeah yeah, it's a strong, powerful energy. It is. Um. We wanted to talk a little bit about your commitment to the season.

That it is right now it's now October. That means it's officially inarguably fall. It's so fall right now, it's fall. Does it feel like fall? Everybody? What fall activities? Is everybody doing? Moisturizing? Moisturizing? I bought some little pumpkins. I was inspired by Kate's Fall Hall target. Um. Yeah, I thought a couple of fall halls. I did a Trader Joe's Fall Hall too, and it's been great. The Trader Joe's goes really hard on fall. It goes so hard and and it works on me. It works on me

every time. Hey and I I've come to this realization, which is a lot of the people I know who are really into Fault, including me and Kate and also Miles Gray. Uh from the DAILIESI guys, Uh, we're all from California and we have no experience in fallow is that it? Yes? Because I like, so every year this I followed these instagrammers every year that are the fall instagrammers, and they start in like July. They start in summer being like I hate summer, I can't wait for fall.

You know who's ready for fall and hate summer and that's me? And then it like amps up and gets more and more crazy leading up until October, when it's like at its height. I wouldeel like September might be the height because people are the most like pre excited for so much fall, like ahead of you and see and then right on Halloween like they go to Christmas and then I always follow them. But yeah, so these are not These are just kind of blanket holiday instagrams.

They're not just dedicated to fall or did the fall instagrams have no choice? Instagrams tend to go to winter. There's very few people that are die hard like it's still fall even after Halloween. People A lot of them are just like, Okay, now it's Christmas and last year I was so depressed. What about November? Thanksgiving sucks? Last year? I so very fair weather fan of fall. You can't say Thanksgiving if you like fall. I don't think I

don't disagree. I agree. I support Molly and hating Thanksgiving, yeah, I mean I hate Thanksgiving, don't get me wrong. I mean you can like Thanksgiving aesthetic without liking Thanksgiving the holiday as it's Thanksgivings a very strange holiday. And I don't know if I actually I feel like I have said this on the podcast before, but this is the first year I'm not making a turkey. Almost fifteen years, every year I make a turkey. Every year, I'm like,

I hate turkey. I hate making the turkey, I hate buying the turkey. This year, I'm freeing myself and I'm going to see if it makes me like Thanksgiving. Are you doing something alternative? Hell, yes, I'm doing cornish game hence, which are if you think about it, the opposite of a turkey. The turkey is like this huge bird and you're like, I'm gonna flip this around and have a

tiny food. Did love Thanksgiving growing up because we did like a West Coast Thanksgiving, the coast Thanksgiving with like family friends you know who like showed us horror movies and show us for the first time. It was like we didn't have to like travel and go see all your family or never traveling. Do you travel now for thanksgetting? No, I don't, but I don't really do anything now. I'm just like, I'm not I'm not as into it. I don't like the pressure to have a turkey and all.

Can you guys convince me to like fall because I have current? Okay, so it's so important. So we've never needed fall more than we need to. Having realized that all the people that are really into fall our California and like Texas people, because a lot of the Memurs would reveal themselves at some point and be like here I am in Arizona where I live, and I was like, of course, none of us live in places that have fall. We're all just like nostalgic for a thing we feel

like we should have participate. Oh shit, the Midwest in New England are here to fight us, because I do think that's part of it too. I think to be really into fault, you have to have limited knowledge of winter, like real, real winter. Because when I did live in New England when I was in college, I was like, Okay, fall is as amazing as I thought it was going to be, Like real fall is fucking incredible. Um. But

the reason it's incredible. Also, is that sort of like undertow of dread of like soon it will be too cold to leave my house, which doesn't happen here. What we're talking about that we think of as fall as really like the season of winter. Here, during the season of fall, it is really fire season, and there's a huge This is why I hate fall. Yeah, there's a hole where you can smell it in the air. But also I tend to think of like seasons as days of the week, but there are also many days of

the week missing from seasons. Obviously it's because of math. But fall is Sunday. Fall is like a Sunday afternoon when you're like, shit, it's going to happen again, but shouldn't be short. And then winter or is Monday obviously through Wednesday. I would say Wednesday is spring. Wednesday's spring because you're like almost there. And then obviously Friday Saturday is summer. That is only if you like summer, which I do, which best because it's the best because it's

the only time, most fun season. It's the most fun season on the East coast. In the Midwest, totally different. I think the summer is canceled summer because we have global warming. Okay, summer is canceled. Summer is going to be hotter and hotter and hotter when it's fun to be that hot. Like, I do also think because I want to say like, I also do not buy into the like the only real weather is snow. You know,

l A doesn't have real weather. We just have a different it's different weather, which here is rainy, which I love me. It's like the best day is when it's like not a hundred and ten degrees anymore, that to me. But it's dark early. I love that. I hate it. I'm dreading just that now I'm only part of winter that I'm dreading now now that I'm back in California is like just the early daytime. You were just talking

about how much you love Vampire Backs. I love Vampire Backs and I love and I dressed God today, Like, but I really I think of fall as like the dread part of it isn't a fun dread. But that's also because you know, back East, it's like it's beautiful, but it's really brief, right, But that's what makes it also really amazing. Yeah, it's amazing. I think that we need to spiritually extend fall, like it needs to start

in our minds and end later. Like I think fall should be maybe mid to early August all the way through Christmas Eve, totally Christmas Eve. I think, like let's drag it as far down as we care with her, because also spring supposedly starts way too early, and it's generally like still winter for so much longer. This year in l A. It was like freezing cold until July. It was, but it was chili. Yeah, it was chili. Well it was still it's still technically fault until December one. Yeah,

that's true. So that's basically Christmas Eve. Yeah, I think you think you get I'd like to shorten the Christmas season to like two days. I think it should be Christmas even Christmas. I agree. I'm fine with that. I can go back to fall even on the that's fine. So it's the fall of the domain. Because I was thinking about, I know you've been following these these fault accounts for a while, Molly, is that the domain of

what we would refer to as a Visco girl. I think it's going to be the one who will know. I mean, I'm totally unclear. I mean, in general, like Visco girls do love fall. I think they love fall. The only problem is the classic Visco girl ensemble is like a big shirt with tiny and like shorts that you you're not meant to see. I think the kids call that is it called lamp shady? Yeah? I think that is. Can you explain just because I only found out what these different types of girls were yesterday, now

that we know what lamb shading is. I heard about that first because of Ariana Grande, because she's a lamb shader sore. Who are all the girl's? Only three kinds of girls? According to a BuzzFeed quiz that some of us took. We don't have to take the quiz or I'm the fourth type, which is which is a normal girl very offended to be. But the other three types the Visco girl, E girl, and batty or batty Instagram batty. I'm assuming it's like a Kylie. Yeah, that makes sense.

Can you describe more what that would be? Well, it's like contour makeup, like highlighting, like a makeup tutorial, like Visco girl is like no makeup makeup, and like Instagram Batty would be like full full beat. And this is all kind of in the realm. Of Instagram or it doesn't like I think the other I think is it a TikTok thing? Yeah, I think it's an Instagram and TikTok thing. Okay, I don't know. I think Instagram is like real life and like TikTok is like your performative life.

Actually they're both. I don't know. The Internet is everything. Yeah, yeah, there's no there's no cultures without that. Don't start on the internet. Now. Wait, so then what's an So if a Visco girl is kind of like a Caroline Callaway, is that the esthetic? Is it a little base? I would say it's like more Emma Chamberlain. Okay, Okay, I just learned who that is from Caroline. I went on that journey too. Yeah, she an influencer. She's like a

she's kind of the I think she's the classic Visco influencer. Really, she's very like unusual looking. I could be wrong about this. She kind of looks like insect e, like she's kind of alien it that's what. Yeah, that's what a Visco girl looks like. I think Caroline Callaway is actually too old to be an to be a Visco girl, specifically because judging anyone for what age they might think they're a Visco girl at here, and I call, I guess that's true. I guess that's true. I guess I guess

she's there a Visco woman. I consider myself a Visco woman. I'm a Visco adult. Wait, so I'm looking at Emma Chamberlain's Instagram right now, but like this look is what I would consider like ant batty. Maybe I'm wrong on this. I would consider an E girl actually because she's dressing like, say what the girl is? Okay, the girl is like, um, it feels to me it's like the cosplay of the nineties,

sort of like Haley Baldwin. Yeah. The one thing that I feel like, it's very like Asian beauty tutorial esthetic, like a lot of like the pink blush that was at the end, like and like different colored hair and stuff like that, like Billie Eilish hair. Yeah, like Eyelish is an EA girl. Yeah, so that's the one that I got. Obviously, I'm such an E girl. And I was saying that I claimed Visco girls because I was like,

that's how I've been dressing my whole life. I can't believe that is cool now is to wear You've always been ahead of the curve, but IM into everyone wearing a big time I T shirt and that's fashion now. I'm fashionable now. I think that Visco girls are like probably like the gen Z people that like millennials the most,

or like they're like closest to millennials. To me, it just feels like the Instagram batty bubble bursting because it's like all of a sudden, girls are like no makeup, makeup, like lip gloss, and like your asual, like the way that we all did kind of dress in the nineties where it wasn't like styled for Instagram, you know, it's like more about comfort and like kind of like skater

girl e. It's very California. El Well, then I need like a better example of what this is because I don't think it's m A Chamberlain because she's like very made up and like wearing like looks. All three types of girls were on full display last night at the Law until Ragos, then Emili and I both went to my favorite look. There was like three girls who were all wearing like the same fresh from Zara, like fake

leather jackets and we're all like dressed in black. It was just like the mall goth look basically there are a lot of posses and also they're very wisely selling a lady flower crowns which people were wearing. Good look. But yeah, I was like, oh yeah, those are the only types of girls now. And then I was trying to think cause I was like, where does goth fall? And I was like, oh, there's a goth version of

each of these things. I think you're right. Yeah, there's like gothy girls, goth insto baddies, and could there be Yeah, I think you might be it right now. Gothisco is real. It's real. I'm confused as to how Viscope is a part of the Visco Girl because I use Visco a lot for my photos, um, and I didn't realize that there was like an esthetic and like a girl side to I mean, yeah there is. I don't know. I think it's like because I don't know, I think it

isn't the best filters this thing? Does that make me a Visco Girl because I think they have the best filter. I think it makes you like, it makes you just like a wise human because they do have the best I paid the money for the app. I was like shocked that it was like thirty dollars still one, but I still like the free thing. I get like scammed into pay for a premium. I have the free one. Have Risco. I don't have Fisco I use it made me feel intimidate, the least Fisco girl of all, and

even have Visco. I love Fisco because you can add film graining. Oh my god, you're such a dark sometimes it just makes it's like nice stuff and textures. I want to shoot my Instagram photos on thirty five and tour. You guys know. I want to go back to like shooting it on a flip phone where it's all pixelated and grainy making That would be great. Kate, what are your favorite fall activities? Um? I love watching horror movies. I love drinking like a pumpkin beer. I love carving

a pumpkin. I just made a pumpkin pie. Well I didn't. I watched my husband. Watched your husband make a pumpkin pie. A lot of people watched. Um. Yeah. One of my favorite things you guys do is that, in addition to doing a daily morning show on Twitch, you also have like live streams of activities, and one of them is cooking. I love that. Yeah, we do a very cleverly named show called Jack's Cooking Kitchen where my husband Jack just like learns to cook something. And my friend Lindsay Miller,

who's like a professional pastry show. She does like apocalypse themed baked goods called all Gonna Pie, and she like has a whole less recipe blog. Did you guys make any chancy? This may be old, but I just saw it the other day, the pot pies with the human faces. Oh no, but that sounds you're saying to me because I was cheated about how I made a pie that

kind of had a human face. It's really intense. I guess that they originally did them with latex masks and then they made them edible and they did edible hair. But I have a friend who does. She made some like horror pastries for parties that I couldn't eat because they were too just love that. She made like a face pie where I was like, no, I don't want to touch it. But I did make a pie that had like a slipknot mask crust. Did you eat it yet?

Nobody turned out? Great? Wait, Molly, you made this pie like days ago. You want to eat in your pie two days ago, gonna eat it today? Okay, why haven't you eaten it yet? Why did you make it? Stressed out? But then I feel like eating the pie would be like the best part of like the stress really fast. Do you ever just do something and then by the time you're finished, you're like, I don't know, now it's done. Yeah, I do, but not with food. I will say, yesterday

we were going to the concert. There was no time. I'm going to go eat it when I get home, eat your pie. Maybe I'll live stream it. I feel like I have to be in the right mood to eat a pie. Like it has to. I can't just eat it. I don't love pie, like I don't hate pie, but like it just has to strike me at that. I totally agree. I'm not a sweet person either, but the pie, it's like, you really have to be in the right mood. Imagine it's Pumpkin's better for me. It's

like more appealing vegetable. But you know what's weird is remember how they reveal that there's no pumpkin in canned pumpkin. It's like a different I don't remember from the pumpkin. I don't those are two wet and fibrous for me. Oh no, well, I I make them. I make a vegan pumpkin pie with the whole pumpkin, and usually I play around with it, but a lot of times I just do a silk and toffee wound, which is actually

pretty great. Um. And so then you have like the real pumpkininess and it doesn't give me what is the pie? The pumpkin pie you guys made today? It also looked really good. What was in it? It was just like a pumpkin and a ton of butter and sugar and you didn't use condensed milk. I don't remember. I wasn't. I wasn't fully in this. I was like dipping in and out. It was like my best friend Lindsay and my husband made it together and it was great. It

was a great combo. It was great. And yeah I watched at home, but it was live in front of my eyes. And what other fall activities? I mean, I love like a haunted hay ride situation. I haven't gone in a couple of years because I heard it got kind of bad. The l a one but one. Yeah, the Griffith Park ever gone, And I would like to I heard it was too scary for kids. It was too scary for kids by a mile. I love like the best, like one of those I ever went to,

and it's closed now. But my best friend Kate lives in Vegas, and there's this place called Bonnie Springs, which is like forty five minutes outside of Vegas. There's nothing around. It's so scary. It's like pitch Black the whole drive and they turn it's like a I don't know, it's like a pig farm or something that they turned into this thing called Bonnie Screams, and it's like so low budget,

but that makes it so much scarier. And just the fact that it's like in Nevada scary and like the laws here and yeah, and they like they make you go into the mazes like by yourself, like or you're just with your group, like you're not like following people, and and they like they don't tell you how to get out. There's not like regulations. I don't know if it's legal even what they were doing, but it's like

an outdoor giant escape exit science. Like people just come right up to you and like there's no way to get around. Like it's just very scary and it was so good though it was that that was the best one I ever went to. That sounds terrific. I don't like to be that scared. Only, I think is the only one in our group that really likes to go get scared. Well. I did a thing at grant Land like where I tried all the different haunts and tried to find one that would actually scare. But you went

alone also went on to all of them. Um, yeah, I think, like, I mean, there's a there's a big difference between being jump scared, which is like pretty easy to do, just like sneak up on somebody and go that's just being startled. Yeah, that's just being startled. It's not being scared. It's not like really genuinely having something get under your skin and feeling freaked out and spooky. Um I want to go to more stuff like that.

I feel like stuff now either goes like all the way to the shock value end of things where it's just like or like the black I've never been on a in a blackout before, but like that's where you know, it's like torture, shoam, bruise and stuff like that. It's like edge Lord, haunted house. It's like no, it's like it's like they're like horrific scenes of like torture and like murders. It's like not, it's like not cute. It's like a hell house. Yeah, it sounds great. It's like

it's like it's like can you handle it? And there's a there's a safe word and stuff and it's like full body contact. Oh. I did when I did one of those in New York when I was when I was in college, and they could like touch you and it was like fucked up. They like, I don't know, but I loved it. But I did like get diarrhea from being so scary. The scariest thing I've ever done wasn't a haunted house, but it was this thing in the Exploratorium that they built in the seventies, and it's

called like the Filarium. Talking about it's so seventies. It's like you have to get a ticket to it. If I think like a Coppola designed it, it's seventy San

Francisco thing. I don't think they have it anymore. Sounds like a lawsuits to be scary or is it just it's a pitchock geodesic dome obstacle course that you have to feel your way through that, and that sounds I did it with my boyfriend at the time, and I was like immediately so scared that I just grabbed onto him and just like forced him to like find the way the whole time. Um, they have a dark means or they had a dark mas at the Haunted hay Ride,

which was the scariest thing there. I thought the l a Haunted hay Ride. I don't know if they still do it, but they would have people they can't touch you, and that's still it's not a it's not a full body contact one. But but you are, like in Pitch Black, finding your way through and you can hear like like speaky people around you. It's very scared. I love to be scared, but I like do scream like way too much,

and it's very off putting. It's like I see a lot of horror movies during this season two, like in theaters, and I just like make everyone's embarrassed around me. I just screamed like really loud in movie theaters and it freaks people out. That's what you want, but I can't, And that's what you wanted. An audience. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I mean I celebrate myself screams. I mean, I can't change that about me, so I have to. I have

no choice but to embrace it. Is there a horror movie that you're looking forward to or that, Yeah, it's really good so far this year. I'm really excited about Countdown. It looks like a shitty teen horror movie. Those are the best ones that it's like one were you the teens like find out when they're going to die, and then one girl is like I'm going to dine in three hours and then like the teens have to like

escape down. When does this come out? I have no idea, but I will find out and put that on the show. No Countdown. I keep getting the Instagram ads for it, so I know that it's the right film for me, Like targeting you. Um, yeah, so my friends, my friends and I like to go see like a site I'm seeing that. Yeah, I'm so excited I want to see that. Yeah. I feel like my favorite horror movies are like just the unsettling ones. I don't I don't love a ton

of torture and gore. I like Slashers. We've talked about I like, I like what, I like gross movies. I like disgusting movies, Like I like Alien, Like I love it. Yeah,

I love Alien. Yeah, And like I don't know, like I think a lot of the Purge movies kind of count in that vein too, because sometimes there's just something like so gonzo violent in it that you're it's just like we're just also like too real now, because we were like joking last week about Donald Trump signing the Purge into law, those Gabe doll eyes joke, uh, and we're all like, it's two real. It's two real, it is.

And then this thing with the p G and E blackouts in the Bay Area, where like the explanation is that it's like PG n E is bankrupt, so they didn't do any of the tree trimming and like maintenance they needed to do, and so their solution was to like shut off the power to all these places. But then also people found these photos of like they just had their company retreated a vineyard in the Purges, like

to on points sometimes I appreciate it. So it feels exactly like the right level of like social commentary that should be in a horse like with the exact right level of seriousness that should be in a horrorone. That's my favorite non horror fall tradition, which is what watching the Sopranos oh every year around. But that's also that's Thanksgiving, which now I know it doesn't count as fault, but but it does. And also that's a better November tradition

than Thanksgiving. That's a great fall. It's perfect. That is actually like a fall vibe. That makes me really like fall because it's like a fall of the mind. Yeah, and it's like I think, you know, in California is so much pressure just be outside having fun all the time. I just hate the fires in the Santa Anna's and I associate those with fall. Well, that's like our winter. Also, we do have to hide inside. It's kind of just are always It's just always fire season, so you have

to you know, it happens every year. But every year, I'm like, wow, really like it was starting to get cold. I thought it might really just be fall. So I do think that Kate and eye level falls a little

bit of like a psychotic break from reality. I think it's truly unhinged and like Unwell, can we wrap up with talking about the Emoji House Okay, So there's this house in my hometown of Manhattan Beach, California, where I grew up, um, and it's like owned by this woman who I guess was renting it out as I'm guessing an Airbnb or something, and she painted it um pink and added like emojis to the front of it because her neighbors like reported the illegal airbnb because in Manhattan

Beach it's like illegal um and they reported her to the city and she was like fine, like four thousand dollars or something, and so as a like act of retribution, she allegedly painted emojis based on them on the front of the house and like one has big eyelashes, because this is my favorite part, because her neighbor has like

eyelash extensions. Oh my god, and like everyone's like, that's clearly about the neighborhood, the eyelash extensions, and even the neighbor with the eyelash extensions like gave interviews and did like a stry sand effect thing where she was like, I knew it was targeted to me because I got eyelash extensions and they looked too big and I felt self conscious, and everyone knew how selftious and your eyelashes are too long and beautiful. Kate did a like self

reported it was you for watching. Yeah, I was like, I was like, I don't have a real job, Like I'm compelled to go to Manhattan Beach, like the day after the l A Times covered it. I was like, okay, like Manhattan Beach is in the news, Like this is my moment. I took my zom recorder O my god, and like filmed myself on my iPhone like walking up the hill and I was like, I'm going to like see what's going on on the ground, and like it was like popping, like there were so many people driving

by to take selfies in front of the house. And then I saw the neighbors that were like in the city Hall video and they were like so mad that I was there. Really yeah, I was like because I was like trying to get people to interview, to be on Jack Am to like talk about it, and no one would go on Mike to talk to me. But I did get like one off the record interview and she was like she was like I don't record this, Like she was like um, but she told me that

the eyelash thing was true. And that the lady who owns the house is like allegedly like kind of a slum lord type of situation, and that the neighbors yeah, and that she was like it had this huge like roach infestation, she like wouldn't deal with it or something like another property or it might have been at another property. I don't have the ground reporting, so like I have, I do have some insider info, and it was like

kind of a thrill. It was also like very Manhattan Beach, like very isolated and like privileged, and like they also were like there were too many parties at that hots, like they were throwing like bottle caps on the ground. I was like bottle caps, Like this is a town where it's like very very illegal to like be homeless at all. So it's like not the greatest like vibe. That's why I enjoyed your reporting. Y um. Well, Kate,

thank you so much for joining us explaining. Thank you so much for having everybody check out Kate Raft every day on jack amu on Twitch. It's the best, It's the best. Thank you best most Ahead of the Curve podcasts in the world, and also check out this podcast is Self Care with Kate and Drew Spears. You can check me out on the Self Grandparenting episode. Yeah, just come out. It came out a while ago, but self Grandparenting there was like an article about it today with

like knitting needles and yeah, it's going internationally. Somebody interviewed me about it for Mashable in Australia and then that got picked up by a Canadian blog. So I think self Grandparenting will be the thing that really uh gets us the money to buy the Emoji House. Okay, so the Emoji House is the price is dropping on it because no one wants to buy it. So you know how much is it? It was eight million? I think now it's like seven point five. We'll get there, I

think you do. I allegedly heard that it needs a gut renovation, right and it's haunted to Yeah, it's it's how many people were murdered there. Well, thanks for having me by. See you soon, Yeah, see you soon. It's fall, it's fall. Thank you for listening tonight. Call We'll be back next week. If you have any thoughts or questions, ghost stories, or if you've seen the Joker in one away and please give us a call at one to four oh four six night. You can also email us

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